After sitting through the hours of "if I broke the law, I didn't mean to" from Monica Goodling yesterday, there are a whole lot of questions that I want answered…still.
Such as: how can someone who worked in a building full of experienced prosecutors possibly think that is remotely credible? My ignorance of the law made me politicize the hiring of multiple career justice employees? Puh-leese. (Any cops in the audience want to tell me how well that works in the real world? "I'm sorry officer, I didn't know the speed limit was 65 here." Um…yeah.)
Or this gem — the whole "I was student council president in college, so I'm highly qualified to judge career professionals who have dedicated their lives to the Constitution and the rule of law and fire their asses if they aren't Republican enough." I don't know if I was watching Heathers or some warped version of American Pie. ("This one time at band camp….") If I were a DoJ employee who got riffed, or a prospective employee with stellar qualifications and a commitment to justice who didn't get hired because I had once hosted a bake sale for peace in junior high that showed up in a Nexis oppo search from the local paper write-up? I'd be pissed.
We already know about a number of former Justice employees who are disgusted and angry about all of this. But it truly is time for the grown-ups to stand up and be counted, because there aren't exactly some principled Sam Ervin wannabes waiting in the wings in the House Judiciary Committee, now are there?
If Rep. Chris Cannon had opened his yap one more time to praise Goodling's testimony — you know, the testimony in which she admitted to multiple Hatch Act violations, deliberate politicization of the hiring process for career and immigration judge hires, called both the AG and DAG's testimony into question, said that the AG tried to "coach" her testimony by reviewing his version of events with her after she'd already been notified that Congress expected her testimony…well, the list goes on and on. But there sat the triumverate of blowhardy unlawful enablers, tap dancing with every asinine diversionary tactic they could muster: Cannon, Lundgren and Issa, the mouths who bored. But who am I kidding: IOKIYAR.
Lest anyone wonders, DAG McNulty has already fired back with a Monica isn't quite so accurate missive. (Yes, knock me over with a feather.)
But it is this overarching question that has been nagging at me since yesterday:
But Democrats quickly realized that Goodling, who worked for the RNC before joining the Justice Department, was of more use to them as a savvy operative than as an ingenue. Their questions encouraged her to paint political considerations at Justice as so pervasive that she couldn't quantify them.
How many job applicants did she block because of political leanings? "I wouldn't be able to give you a number." Did she ask aspiring civil servants whom they voted for? "I may have." Did she screen applicants for career prosecutor jobs so that Republicans landed in those positions? "I think that I probably did." How many times? "I don't think that I could have done it more than 50 times, but I don't know." She further admitted that she "occasionally" researched career applicants' political affiliations and checked their political donations.
Since Little Miss Nixon wouldn't own to to being anything but a political enforcer working on someone else's orders, here's the burning question of the day: on whose orders was she doing all this political questioning and oppo research on potential career hires at the DOJ? Who issued the political fatwa on Democratic hires at Justice? This is contrary to every standard under which the DOJ has operated for generations — so who issued the directive to throw justice on the compost heap in favor of seeding the DOJ with Republican partisan enforcers of the Rule of Karl? Was it someone from Karl's Roosevelt Room political minions group? Someone in Karl's political shop? Was it Kyle Sampson and, if so, was this something he just pulled out of his unqualified arse or was he acting under someone else's marching orders as well?
This is about more than "the math" — it is about remaking the Department of Justice in their own, fetid, self-dealing, crony-laden image. Sure, gutting the civil rights division and enforcing false claims of voter fraud in an effort to suppress a targeted voting population can reap benefits, but think what you could do by gutting the department and replacing all its long-time, committed, decent lawyers with political hacks on a mission to reverse years of legal precedents on purely ideological grounds, with no basis in law or fact? And imagine that multiplied throughout the entire DOJ — not based on a sense that the laws are wrong for the public on the whole, but because they aren't advantageous for your vision of political control of the electoral and political process. And then imagine this happening at other agencies as well (hello, GSA).
Just one teeny, tiny question: On whose orders was the career hiring at the Department of Justice turned into a perverted partisan seeding ground? Sunshine, please.
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Yeah me! Yeah Christy!
Good morning Christy!
Morning everyone. Who has the coffee? *g*
Good morning, Christy!
Good Morning,
Belated welcome back back Christy!! Looks like you can give our sun a run for it’s money with the light that you shine.
Yesterday was a swamp for me so I will admit to not following the detqails.
My question is:
What did the American people receive in return for granting this cheerleader immunity?
My overall impression is that whe copped to a number of potentially incriminating things without giving anyone els up, really.
With the possible exception of McNulty , who would be the current scapegoat of choice.
Are we any closer to the WH? AGAG?
If not, this sits as well with me as the current Iraq funding bill.
Loved Monica’s hair. She’s hot.
Good morning, Christy…I’m still not shocked. Bobby Kennedy was JFK’s enabler as AG, and Bobby was Joe McCarthy’s enforcer in the Senate, if you will recall. The AG has ALWAYS had both a legal AND a political role, whether it was Ed Meese or Janet Reno for Clinton. And GSA has also, ALWAYS been political. When I grew up in Chicago, both Mayors Daley made sure the local GSA rep was a loyal member of the Machine. So, sorry, I’m not shocked. If a Dem should acheive control again, I won’t be shocked when they do the same thing.
Democrats need a “Hearings Czar”. Issues of greater importance directed to the Senate Judiciary Committee; lesser matters to the B Team in the HJC.
Why the hell was she given immunity if she doesn’t have anything to say beyond”I didn’t know”,”I’m not sure”or
“I can’t remember”?
It was kinda like being in Wonderland yesterday
Am I the only one who thinks Monica bears a passing resemblence to Ann Coulter
(except for the gender thing, of course)
Christy writes:
Well, let’s see:
Gutting civil rights enforcement
Gutting anti-discrimnation enforcement for disabled, blacks, women, other minorities
Gutting environmental protections
Gutting consumer protections
Gutting SEC enforcement
Gutting labor law enforcement
And I know I’m missing so many not being a lawyer myself but that’s just a lay person’s quick SWAG.
Elliott @ 11
I’m surprised whe wasn’t wearing a blue dress with a white pinafore, little white socks (with lace on the cuff) and maryjanes.
Elliott @ 14
No, that’s for night-time dress-up and parties.
Mack @ 7
The grant of immunity may have been for naught (to Monica) if she lied, Mack. Hang tight, review of the testimony is still underway.
What did get was the admission that there was extensive politicization of the USDOJ, that there were criminal activities — and that Republicans in Congress will applaud this and the criminal who shows up to plead the Fifth.
On video, no less.
Pointed out to my kids yesterday as a replay of her testimony aired how she could not admit the truth, even though it was right there, and even though she had a much higher standard of care being an attorney who is expected to know the law. What a shame, really, to become the poster child of “What Not To Do In Public Service”. At least this was a good example for my kids not to trust people based on face value or their so-called religious upbringing and education.
Good morning from the west coast, Christy!
If this is anything like the USA firings, it seems they were divinely inspired – a command from heaven.
Remember in All the President’s Men when Woodward & Bernstein name HR Haldeman as the fifth name to control the CREEP slush fund and get their heads handed to them? Of course it was Haldeman, and when the go back to Deep Throat, he says, basically, that it was a Haldeman operation and he was completely involved.
I think if you sub “Rove” for “Haldeman”, you’ve got your (so far unsubstantiated) answer. But nothing else makes sense:
– This is the kind of “clever” for which he’s famous
– It requires a certain amorality for which he is famous
– He seems to be orbiting all of these events while no one will single him out for anything day-to-day operational
There are more reasons, but I have to leave the house in a few minutes. Suffice to say that I don’t see this grand scheme being hatched by, say, Harriet Myers.
My $.02.
‘Mornin’ Christy…you called?
The overarching reality of BushCo, exemplified in the planting of neoconiban sleeper cells within the Justice Dept., is that the Republican Party is a hollow, empty shell totally controlled by the fetid, corrupt core that is BushCo.
That a few decent DAGs and their counterparts in other depts. are trying to fight for democracy against the BushCo borg is laudatory, but the whole Republican Party has allowed itself to be taken over by what Iglesias calls the “loyalty uber alles” crowd.
That’s powerful language–loyalty uber alles–and it’s past time that the Republican “moderates” either fish or cut bait on what they’ve acquiesced to their party becoming.
And, EPU-ed from the last thread:
Morning everyone! Beautiful day in CT.
I found her response to Cohen of TN about why she chose Regent University pretty interesting. She said there was more debate at Regent than at American U. I think (like minded individuals) could be inserted into the part about more debate.
Otherwise I was pretty frustrated about how she described or didn’t describe her job as WH liaison and passed the buck to Sampson and McNulty numerous times. I am sure there was perjury in there.
I watched yesterday because I took the day off. I took the day off because my neighbor died. She was 42 years old, mother of 3 boys 16,14, and 11. It was a heart breaking day. We (my two neighbors and I) weeded and planted her flower beds that had been neglected while she was dying of luekemia. Her husband came out and spent several hours telling us “her story.”
So I watched the politics of yesterday after doing my community service. All I could think was that this crap is important…but it is so not important. We need to do what we can but not get so lost in those things we cannot control that we forget the most important things.
Last night my husband hugged me every time I walked into the room. I hugged my children and snuggled with them. Let’s keep up the good fight but remember that republicans cannot stop us from being connected to the true source of all that is good on this earth.
So let’s go get em…but let’s stay connected to love and be driven by that force more than we are driven by our hate.
Love to you all, thanks for all you do here,
Elliott @ 14
Yeah, and that grating little-girly voice and valley girl type ununciation was ‘fingernails on a chalkboard’ territory.
Mack @ 13
Uh, no, actually she reminded more of this person who actually had her roots done for this picture.
edit: just in case you don’t recognize her, let me refresh your memory.
Morning all! Welcome back Christy, here’s coffee — Swychelles roasted Sunday and fresh-ground. Anyone else?
Marion made biscuits — yum! — are still warm, Waccamaw brought sourwood honey, Rayne got a little early-morning sparring in. Very accurate, our Rayne.
Rayne,
My (albeit sketchy) impression was that Monica gave the kind of sketchy, memory-based, answers which are hard to prove as perjury.
Forgive my cynacism, but I think there needs to be a successful prosecution of some sort of crime other than perjury.
I know the mess wrought by this administration will take 20 years to put right.
I fear that without a significant touchstone ala Watergate, our nation will drift towards banality as an acceptable standard.
EPU’d from below (where the links remain)
cause it’s so worth reading:
Rayne @ 5:11 am
Somebody is still huffing glue. Amazing what people get paid to do these days — but that’s the nature of the Culture of Corruption.
Let’s review before the glue fumes overcome the rest of us, shall we?
This is what Rep. John Conyers saw on first pass yesterday:
And this is what another former prosecutor saw yesterday:
And emptywheel is only just starting to dig into the mix, noting that Sara Taylor, um, Harriet Miers may have appointed Tim Griffin (which is not a legal appointment), and Monica was likely soliciting defense funds with her testimony yesterday.
Let’s crack open the windows and air this place out; obviously somebody’s already killed brain cells if they didn’t take special note of the parts of Goodling’s testimony where she “credibly” admitted to a criminal act (and the Republicans cheered her actions).
my questions:
did anyone, in doj or out of doj, know that you ever did any of this?
who knew or might have known?
when did they know?
what was their response to learning of this?
heh
I never realized there was a *political* Friendster
WOW! What a beautiful rant!
And so true.
Thank you. I for one needed that shot in the arm.
Katie Jensen @ 21
So sorry to hear that ((Katie))
Katie—
I’m sorry to hear about your neighbor. That’s very sad, so young and leaving children behind.
You’re so right about the need to step back and look at the larger picture.
My phrase is “love life, truth, and beauty” [in that order] because everything else I do flows from that.
Keep us posted on how -you- are doing. ((((Katie and neighbor family))))
Weird — Monica was a cross between Elle Woods of “Legally Blonde” and Ann Coulter! She denied discussing the firings with Rove or Meiers but did anybody ask who she DID discuss them with? Obviously, Rover has tried to insulate himself with layers of operatives and my question is, how can we “pierce the turdblossom veil?”
(((Katie)))
I wish someone had asked Monica who was her coach and how many hours did she spend rehearsing for her appearance.
And I know its been discussed, but how is she paying for all that high priced council and why did she need it?
p.s. just gotta say thank you to christy and marcy for the live blogging yesterday – amazing work.
Is it special prosecutor time yet? While it’s ultimately up to Congress to find who made up all those US Attorney firing lists that seem to have spontaneously generated themselves into existence, Hatch Act violations are clearly lawbreaking, and we can’t expect DoJ to investigate this one.
We need a special prosecutor to find out who the orders came from to politicize the hiring for career prosecutor positions, because a special prosecutor can, well, prosecute people if they were involved in this offense, or if they perjure themselves to cover it up.
good morning, all.. coffee is ready – refills anyone?
that yesterday? it was very strange…
Rayne @ 17
That is an excellant lesson. The frustrating thing is explaining to other people who don’t follow politics, how Bush has basically made a bunch of freaks and crooks seem legitimate through titles like Vice President, Attorney General and so on and so forth. To many people except that at face value.
Mack @ 25
Remember that Al Capone was nailed on tax evasion. If perjury is an option, we should go for it.
I thought her testimony sounded very coached, and I also believe she was trying very hard to remove herself from the fact that SHE’S A LAWYER. She’s supposed to know better than this, not supposed to violate the law.
What really got in my craw was all that happy-happy-horsesh*t about wanting to be in public service. Pure and utter bullsh*t. She didn’t want to serve the unwashed masses of the American public; she only wanted to serve the Republican Party uber alles.
I imagine this is what a Nazi must have looked like, so dispassionately rationalizing away the reasons they weeded out those who did not meet their standards for humanity.
Elliott @ 15
Just Go ask Alice when she’s ten feet tall?
Why, oh why, cannot the Dems get any kind of act together? America’s constitutional government is being purposively and persistently dismantled and replaced with a corporate imperium. This is occurring according to a *plan*. The Dems act like they just woke up and by golly, that big round thing came up again today!
It is like watching the Brazilian soccer team vs a bunch of folks who just happened to be standing at a bus stop. The Dems don’t even act like they know there is a fight on here, let alone show the slightest sign of any teamwork or planning.
WRT your question, Christy. Back last fall when this stuff was first coming out, Rayne asked lhp what questions shuld be asked of fired/retired/resigned USA’s and other DoJ staff. She said, “Ask them when was the first time they heard the name Karl Rove.”
Rayne @ 39
Republicans REALLY believe THEY are also serving the public interest. Honest. It’s not only Dems that have a monopoly on virtue. She REALLY believed she WAS trying to do the right thing by her God, her Country and her Party…
good lord – can you imagine what yesterday’s hearing would have looked like in front of the SJC? Leahy, Schumer, Feingold, Whitehouse… possibly even Coburn and, (shudder) Jeff Sessions just teeing off on lil Monica?
would have been pay-per-view stuff.
Excerpt from this morning’s Greg Palast guest blog Palast Exclusive: The Goods on Goodling and the Keys to the Kingdom:
This gives me hope that the evidence is available to put Rove away.
- Tom
Phone lines are now open!
800.828.0498
800.459.1887
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
had to go before testimony finished yesterday – no decompression time w/y’all – glad to see my thoughts and impressions are tracking with everyone’s
Rayne,
took me about 40 minutes in to realize this is who she reminded me of – have the novel somewhere, would be interesting to pick through it again :)
vastly qualified
Rayne @ 17
On knowing the law, every civil servant – political appointee on down – has to sign a statement that they have read and reviewed the sorts of political activities covered under the Hatch Act. Every one! Including Monica II, who, metaphorically speaking, of course, seems to use her fellating mouth to ooooooooo authority figures… Like she did yesterday.
Metaphorically speaking, of course!
John Palcewski @ 8
Hmmm. Standard Regent University Dolly-Do.
jayt @ 42
Oh dear. In some respects it would have been worse for my purposes as a parent.
I really couldn’t let the kids watch that kind of bloodletting.
What Bush/Rove have done to DOJ is egregious, to be sure, but they’ve done it everywhere in our government. Remember Iraq reconstruction, staffed by twenty somethings from AEI.
Loyalty uber alles.
Christy,
kept trying to read Mr Dowd – and of course, as a non lawyer trying to gauge someone who’s had decades of practice, found it tough –
did you see any tells ?
McNulty:
Oh Miss Monika. . .
Just one teeny, tiny question: On whose orders was the career hiring at the Department of Justice turned into a perverted partisan seeding ground?
does it really matter? (ok, yeah, it does, so that *someone* is held accountable).
It just looks like the PNAC version of U.S. foreign policy/domination, brought to a more local forum.
OT..Marsha Blackburn on c-span right now, talking about “Democrat” party not supporting the troops.
Thanks Christy for the insightful over view. For the time that I was able to listen to the hearing, I was taken by every time Bo Peep would mention the meeting where she can
remember every individual in the room with the exception of some “shadow” figure that kept moving in and out of the room.
I know this question may be naive but I do not understand why McNulty resigned? If they purposely moved around him and did not tell him about the “process” underway why did he resign?
McNulty’s response to Monica’s testimony
“I testified truthfully at the Feb. 6, 2007, hearing based on what I knew at that time. Ms. Goodling’s characterization of my testimony is wrong and not supported by the extensive record of documents and testimony already provided to Congress.”
Stop fucking around and force the issue – subpoena Rove and Miers and MAKE Bush claim executive privilege.
LibertyLee @ 9
And that’s why we keep ending up with the same ‘ol crappy, politicized, dirty government. Not being shocked translates into not caring for those with a tin ear, and that makes it ok to hire USA’s and heads of FEMA, etc, based on politics rather than qualifications and experience and competance. You don’t have to be surprised, but if you’re not outraged, as the saying goes, you’re not paying attention.
Rayne @ 48
What are the chances of that happening? Will the SJC get a shot at her?
And Iglesias’ chat comment from WaPo yesterday agrees with lhp’s insight for Rayne back when this was still ‘under the radar’:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
Oh. BTW. Our man in Seattle McKay’s doin’ alright:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..kay22.html
Cheers!
“Crossed the line.” Try that in court after you have committed a serious crime.
conniptionfit @ 57
I think it’s called Democracy. To the Victors go the Spoils. Thus has it always been since the days of the Roman Republic.
In my recollection, she was directly asked who had knowledge of her hiring practices and their was a long pause. When directly asked if ABU knew she was asking Career employees about political affiliation again long pause some stammering and then a comment that I believe they were aware I was seeking Republicans.
On a positive note – this hearing along with the other DOJ hearins are going to make for some excellent campaign commercials next year.
Leahy is openly asking the same question. Surely the SJC will investigate this further — (??)
The nugget that almost surely explains the scripted testimony: Goodling’s paying for her own lawyers to date, but is organizing a “fund” for donations to help with her defense. Shades of Scooter, anyone?
John Palcewski @ 8
Would she be hot with a short brunette cut? Just wondering.
Think of all the time and effort we made in supporting John Conyers over the long dark years when he was locked in the basement and Tex had the key. Our champion was going to be chairman again someday and heads were going to roll.
John Conyers D.O.A.
I give up.
Mandrake @ 65
You mean like Gonzo?
After her lifelong Christian upbringing and education–if this behavior, is the fruit of ‘Christian Ethics’ and ‘Christian Morality’, then keep me as far from the Christians as possible. If Christian would have us judge them by their fruits–their fruit is bitter poison.
conniptionfit @ 57
Don’t buy into the glue-sniffer’s rationalization this morning that “they all do it”. This must be the RNC’s talking point this morning, that politics is what happens in government and they all do it.
Nixon’s AG and DAG both resigned rather than do Nixon’s political bidding and fire the Special Prosecutor investigating him. Even under Nixon, the USAG’s office had the integrity to reject politics as a reason for action against a political opposition.
It’s time to reinstitute the Office of Independent Counsel and remove politics from this particular investigation since the USAG does not have the same integrity that Nixon’s USAG had.
Good God. Who’d ever have thought we could miss Nixon’s peeps?
on the topic of stuff i didn’t know:
http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1312
Condi’s testimony w/Waxman re-scheduled
So she can;t remember anything about who did what. Fine.
She never talked to Unka karl of Harry scary Miers, fine.
So who TF did she talk to at the WH?
She was the contact between Justice & the WH, who was her contact on the WH side?
Addington?
So now that Monica has admittted to breking the law in regards to interview questions, does she get removed from the bar?
Rove has put many layers of separation between himself and the action. Gonzales is one screen, Goodling is another, and there are still other screens in the White House (so Goodling never talked to Rove or Meirs directly). It’s like the Byzantine Empire.
AZ Matt @ 71
I was wondering about this one too. What do you think Christy–she got immunity but she admitted to breaking the law?
jayt @ 70
“…to accommodate Secretary Rice’s
shoe shoppingtravel schedule…”pwapvt @ 71
Seems to me it is the WH visitor logs you want.
Bay State Librul @ 40
We need to go ask this particular Alice
The WaPo comments from Iglesias say it all:
“David Iglesias: Washington: Monica has dropped the dime on DAG McNulty so that’s one thing I’ve learned. Want to get to the bottom of this? Get Rove and company in to testify under oath.”
can I just say, first, that I love you guys? Redd, you did a fantastic job liveblogging yesterday. Thanks so much for that. We should all remember that there is a pretty small group involved here: Rove, Comstock, Griffin, Sampson and
DelilahGoodling. Miers is only a passthrough. Yesterday was a fruitful day if Dems keep moving up the chain. It is abundantly clear the Sampson andDelilahGoodling are underlings acting on orders from above, and Gonzales wasn’t the one giving the orders. The were not acting alone. On to Harriet and Karl!hmmm…and Lam’s landed nicely, also:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..24lam.html
I did not know this. ‘Teh Valley’ gettin some talent.
I don’t think that they necessarily had to give orders to fundamentalists like Goodling. In their black and white world, fundamentalists and people who think like them are good and people who don’t share their beliefs are bad. What supervisor would hire bad people?
Goodling was put in her job because of the beliefs she held and because Rove et al knew that Goodling would act to politicize DOJ without orders. Did she even realize that she was acting illegally and could be facing serious jail time? Fundamentalist Christians are so caught up in the inerrancy of their beliefs that they cannot understand that bad can come about through “good” intentions or that what is “good” for fundamentalists can possibly be “bad” for other members of society.
Rove and his pis-ants hired Miss Goody Two-Shoes to polticize DOJ while maintaining “plausible deniability”.
They will throw Goodling under the bus. She is so naive and dimwitted, it will probably take her 5 years to figure out that she was badly used. Jail time is supposed to allow for reflections on the past. WIth swift justice, she might figure it out sooner.
mui @ 48
It was actually better than many of us predicted. I thought it was a nice little coif, but I certainly wouldn’t wear my hair that way in an interview so I can’t imagine going before the HJC that way. Of course, we know it’s all scripted, sorta like a trial, looking as young and innocent as possible (like putting a the ubiquitous crewneck sweater on a murderer).
And I really don’t mean to be bitchy here, but shave her head and whatta u got there? Fellas? Seriously now. ;p
“Weat Texas: I have only heard a few minutes of Ms. Goodling’s testimony. She seemed to say that she did not know where the list(s) for firing came from, but she knows it did not come from the White House. Is this an official, rehearsed Department of Justice response? It sounds a lot like the responses from Gonzales. If not from the White House, where else could the names come from?
David Iglesias: West Texas: If names weren’t placed on the list by DoJ, the only possible place to look is the White House.”
How can she affirm they did not come from the WH if she had no idea where they came from? Isn’t that contempt?
Contempt of her own immunity in not being forthright. Contempt of court by saying “she knew” when she “had no idea?”
OT – update on Lurita Update on Lurita Doan “The Office of Special Counsel (OSC) said Doan violated the Hatch Act, and the decision of whether she remains head of the federal agency now is in President Bush’s hands.” Heckuva job Lurita.
Rayne @ 69
Don’t forget Rayne, it was actually Nixon’s 3rd AG. His first two wound up being convicted for their roles during H2Ogate (Mitchell and Kleindeist – Kleindeist replaced Mitchell after Mitchell resigned to run CREEP). Richardson and Ruckelshaus resigned rather than fire Archibald Cox. Nixon and Haldeman just weren’t QUITE able to embed a lot of little Monica types into DoJ at the time or we prol’ly would have had very similar problems then.
twolf (from downstairs) -
Wow! Threats work!. Seriously, darlin’, thankee much for the tech answer. Probably also ’splains a question I seem to remember throwing at’cha on a long-ago thread. *g*
Rayne (from downstairs) -
Re. glue fumes: d’accord! It has become apparent *my* only recourse when they start wafting thru’ is to leave the room. Looks like I’m gonna be spending less and less time at the Lake. :-(
I have been trying to recall the passage in “All the President’s Men” in which Deepthroat tells W & B something to the effect that the stakes go much higher when they begin talking about the White House. We are seeing the same thing here. McNulty did not want to be the one to blow the WH cover. Monica II did not want to be the one… It seems that people just dance around the topic, even though it is becoming increasingly obvious that the “White House” (whoever that might be) is totally behind everything that we have seen.
Someone needs to be a true American, regardless of their party loyalties, and come forward with the whole story. There is too much at stake…
Badwater @ 66
Somehow, I don’t think a long blonde fall is going to help Gonzo much, but considering the sympathy and drooling admiration it garnered from the Republican committee members, he might give it a shot before the no-confidence vote.
She was White House Liason. That is her job title. Did anyone ask her who she reported to and what the chain of command is? An organizational chart, with ratings and pay grades? Does she not have a job description? Did they subpoena her personnel file? If these folks are amateurs, why don’t they get some coaching, or at least invest in Oversight for Dummies.
On the other hand, it sure makes clear what it takes to be a good rep, and I know a lot of folks I would *love* to see sitting on that committee. Really, how can they be that inept and not be doing it on purpose?
pwapvt @ 71
Remember that lovely chart that Senator Whitehouse used on Abu G.? The one that mapped out current administrative policy as to who can communicate to whom between DOJ and WH?
Yeah. I think it’s in there already.
How does a DOJ White House Liaison NOT actually liase with the White House? unless her job description was something else altogether.
Committe really should have asked whether the criteria for hiring someone with HR responsibilities should disregard increasing amounts of experience in HR. In Fortune 500 companies, it’s almost impossible to get a job in uppermost HR without a Master’s degree in that field, let alone specialization in HR law if one has a juris doctor.
But that’s the very heart of this issue: Goodling was not hired to do HR work even though she was delegated ultimate HR authority in DOJ.
She was hired for her opposition research background — and that’s politicization.
browny @ 81
I think this is possible. No one needed to tell Goodling anything: it was tacitly understood that she was to act in this way. They chose her BECAUSE she wouldn’t need to be given orders.
Rayne at 67 — Exactly so. I was talking about that yesterday with Mr. ReddHedd, actually — somewhere along the line we have internalized “everybody does it” as an excuse to do whatever crappy thing we feel like doing in the moment. It is not an excuse, nor should it be. Some things are simply wrong — and deliberately politicings the Department of Justice so that decisions are made not on the basis of what the legal precedents and the evidence tell you but rather what some political operative sees as advantageous…it is just wrong. Of coure there are going to be political considerations, and of course human beings are going to be more inclined to hire people who think like they do rather than people who think differently in a political environment. But when it becomes the primary concern — the factor elevated above all other factors and the sole reason for hiring people? That is just wrong. Period.
And no amount of “everybody does it” rationalization gets past that fact. I’m a Democrat, but I was an absolute hard-ass as a prosecutor — you break the law, you do the time, you go to jail if that is appropriate. Prosecuting crime or violations of law is a bipartisan thing — and any number of attorneys from both sides of the aisle that i have known through the years were of the same mind with regard to public safety and service in the justice system. That quality people would be rejected, who sincerely wanted to do the jobs and uphold the rule of law…because they were of one political party and not the other? Because they could not be trusted to set aside their own independent judgment and take political marching orders? Because they were loyal to their nation, their Constitution and to justice and not to George Bush?
I cannot begin to explain how much that ticks me off. And how disgusting that is — and how disgusted I am that anyone would try to make excuses for it. That’s bullshit, pure and simple — and it’s unethical, smarmy bullshit to boot. And anyone who tries to rationalize bad behavior with “everybody does it” ought to be ashamed of themselves — no decent parent would ever let their child get away with that as an answer for bad behavior, why on earth would we allow our political leadership a pass on the same excuse that would get a 9 year old grounded? Sorry — I expect MORE from my leaders, not less. And it is about damned time that everyone else did as well, because we get from our political leadership exactly what we ask of them and I am sick to death of people allowing them to live up to abysmally low expectations. We deserve more and it is well past time we demanded that.
A&E showed the movie “A Few Good Men” last night – the one that was inspired by a case where two Marines accused of murder were defended by David Iglesias.
Coincidence?
Good little lying “Christian” girls, oh my.
Goodling & Elizabeth Hasselbeck all over the tv in one day. Gag. I’m sure they would be best, best friends if they met. They seem to have that wide-eyed righteousness in common.
CHS
I think you just made Leon Jaworski chuckle in his grave with an opening comment like that.
AZ Matt @ 72
She’s immunized. No legal punishment can ensue from her testimony. See the Poindexter cases.
Sally @ 59
The line keeps moving.
browny @ 80
I think it was her beliefs coupled with her lack of experience. Anyone with experience, even a Regent University graduate, might have bucked when instructed to do something so blatantly illegal. No way she didn’t know what she was doing, that is absurd. If she didn’t, then she did not deserve her JD and she should be disbarred, if she is licensed anywhere (does immunity help with that I wonder? Christy? I’m guessing not but it can’t hurt either).
She was placed in her position because they knew she would be compliant and unquestioning. Of course, being a fundie female helps ensure that will happen, when you think about it.
Jane S. at 72 — The DOJ internal OIG office is looking into the politicization of hires and Hatch Act violations question. Any potential hire who was disqualified could file a complaint with the state bar in which Goodling is licensed. The OIG will issue a report and potentially file charges for Hatch Act or other violations of civil service regs as well and, if these are found, they are required, I believe, to file a complaint with the licensing bar association. Goodling’s testimony yesterday was given under use immunity, which means that the testimony itself cannot be used in any criminal or other proceedings against her — but independent evidence of bad acts gathered outside of her testimony? That can certainly be used, and likely will be.
KestrelBrighteyes @ 93
I think not
Great overview, Redd. I’m glad there are those of you out there who make watching these things your mission – it would drive me nuts and my screaming at the tube would just scare the dog. McNulty and Sampson, not to mention Abu Gonzo, seem to have some tall ’splainin’ to do. I’m no expert on criminal law (my few brief brushes with it early in my career were enough to dissuade me from any closer inspection of that practice area), particularly those offenses that are based on untruthful testimony before Congress, or trying to influence the testimony of one who is going to appear in that forum, but would contempt of Congress charges be out of line here?
BTW – were you acquainted with Cecil J? I worked with him directly for 4 years, and indirectly for another 5. What a prince of a guy, and a tremendous loss.
TomR @ 44
Does anyone know of a reason why Greg Palast has not turned these Rove e-mails over to the SJC ? Can they send a letter to request he do so? Greg says he has the juice. Why does he not act?
Must . . . get . . . off . . . blog . . . and . . . work . . . on . . . finances!!!
Aaaarrggghhh! I’m addicted!!! Help, Bloggers Anonymous!
To follow up on selise at 27, did anyone ask her if she was ever ordered or asked to do these kinds of things? Was there some sort of unwritten understanding that she should be doing these things, and if so, who gave her the idea? Certainly she didn’t decide on her own that this should be an apparently large part of her job?
I didn’t get to listen to her testimony, but these seem like common sense questions.
Thanks for your work, Christy!
“everybody does it” will be the main argument in the upcoming Rosen/Weismann espionage trial/hearing.
And the Dems really do have to stop everything and start impeaching people…or we will be doing this sort of thing the rest of our days.
OT – Chimpy presser in Rose Garden at 11:01 eastern – topic unknown
Christy Hardin Smith @ 92
what she said, all what she said
Waccamaw @ 86
I refuse to do that, even if it means risking the wrath of the owners. I refuse to allow what appears to be one of the RNC’s minders to spew garbage without refutation, and I refuse to give up any more space to them. Don’t give in to them by leaving, that’s exactly what they want you to do.
You’ll also note that other popular progressive sites have their own minders who show up to do the same thing. Marty Lederer has Bart, emptywheel has jodi, and now the Lake has their own minder.
Did the SCUM (SoCalledUnbiasedMedia) cover the inadvertent revelation of (enjoined) ‘caging’ by the Bushevik 2004 camapign?
that was the biggest story, which I believe virtually EVERY reporter in the country has missed (or has otherwise been instructed to ignore).
Greg Palast has an IMPORTANT post up at BRAD BLOG; you should check it out…
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dalloway @ 32
that came out in an oblique reference to WH staff or “the WH.” over and over again. Monica had frequent contact with Scott Jennings at the WH (it’s in the emails that HJC already has from DOJ). She also dealt with others at the WH Counsel’s Office (Harriet’s office).
I apologize if this has come up already, but this is *my* burning question: Is that all they got for giving her immunity? (It’s a little vague and sloppy, but I wrote it on the bus…)
Wasn’t there a “proffer” where Monica gave the HJC some indication of what she would testify if she got immunity? If so, exactly what part of her testimony was worth letting her off the hook for stacking the DOJ with fundiepublicans? IANAL, but I thought you only gave someone immunity if they could provide useful information that materially advances the case and implicates the bigger fish, information that cannot be obtained anywhere else.
What was it? We already know Gonzo is a perjurer and obstructor, and that the WH was involved in the firing process, and I can’t believe they would give her immunity to nail McNulty & Sampson (unless they think they need that additional pressure to get *them* to be more forthcoming).
Now, some information about who pressured/ordered Monica to hire only Republicans, that might have been worth letting her off the hook, but since they didn’t get that info, that’s presumably not what they gave it to her for.
So did they get punk’d, or did they punk themselves? Or am I missing the full significance of her testimony? Also, is there any chance they go after her for perjury/obstruction? I’m hoping that some e-mails come to light to show she was lying.
Personally, I wish there was some legal way to bring Monica, McNulty, Sampson, & Gonzo back to testify under oath one more time, and if their stories don’t agree, put them *all* in jail for perjury and obstruction. I know, it’s just a pipe dream…
twolf1 @ 107
if only the reporters WOULD press him.
Thanks for the gifts of your experience.
My nagging question is: How is it possible to get to any truth if witnesses are gagged by their attorneys? In the few trials I’ve seen, I don’t recall this kind of coaching- sometimes damage repair- but never ‘extreme make-over’coaching. It appears that Congress needs to have their own prosecuting attorneys.
WaPo editorial: LINK
Monica Goodling concedes that a political line was crossed in hiring at the Justice Department.
Thursday, May 24, 2007
WHEN HE TESTIFIED before a House Judiciary subcommittee this month, former deputy attorney general James B. Comey said he was horrified by reports that the department was examining the political affiliations of lawyers being considered for career positions. “If that was going on, that strikes at the core of what the Department of Justice is,” Mr. Comey said.
Yesterday, promised that her testimony could not be used against her in a criminal prosecution, Monica M. Goodling, former senior counsel to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, admitted to doing exactly that as she screened applicants for prosecutorial positions. “I know I took political considerations into account on some occasions . . . I know I crossed the line,” Ms. Goodling said. This was, for the reasons Mr. Comey suggested, a sad moment for anyone who cares about the Justice Department.
It was sad, as well, that so many Republican committee members chose to ignore this ugly fact and heap praise on Ms. Goodling. “I think you have . . . shown people who are here. . . . why people in the Justice Department thought you were worthy of your job,” said Rep. Dan Lungren (R-Calif.). “Millions of Americans now know a lot more about you, and they’re proud to have somebody like you serving in government,” said Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Fla.) Violating the law against politicizing the civil service is no grounds for pride.
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selise @ 35
Marcy! did not realize you liveblogged too! (I should have known – Redd prolly needed to go get the pnut.) Thanks so much. I was so busy watching and chatting in gabbly I never noticed the change in bylines.
Elliott @ 112
…will be making his case for iraq war funding and immigration bill.
AZ Matt @ 72
Jeebus. Any lawyer care to respond to this stuff and nonsense?
IANAL, but as I understand it, disbarment is not a legal punishment, but a yanking of one’s license by the legal community for violations of ethics and standards in such a way that continuing to hold a license to practice insults the rest of the profession.
She’s committed a crime, and more times than she could count or was willing to admit to in front of Congress. She’s not upholding the standards of her profession. IMO, she should be disbarred.
edit: AZ Matt — your question was sound. It’s the glue sniffing that follows that pisses me off.
Christy — Thank you for highlighting this most crucial question we’re left with after yesterday (and that I was muttering as I brushed my teeth this morning: who put her up to it? Who? Who?). She didn’t decide all by herself to personally screen for Bush and Repug loyalty in some kind of one-woman crusade. Her hiring practices, which apparently went on for some time, were not challenged but were obviously encouraged, possibly mandated, and amply rewarded. By whom? Whom? Whom? This is the crux!! Thank you Christy, EW and FDL for your superb coverage.
@91 I agree CHS “the everybody does it” is a weak argument.
But in this small university town of Athens Ohio many of us witness the laws applied very differently to the Doctors, lawyers and wealthy and their children in this town. I can supply many examples of this. Many.
The law in this country is not applied fairly or honestly and that is a fact!
The palast emails probably are a clever item. Authentics and fakes in a batch(Niger forgeries, TANG memos) that could possibly clear him.
Unless you get the verification of NSA or other bodies I’d avoid immediate addition of those.
Rayne @ 39
there were some really loooooong pauses yesterday, eh? even my teenager noticed them!
Mandrake, Brownie and all,
Agreed, you don’t have to direct Monica a lot, she is pre-programmed what with her Regent bkgd and the training/vetting she got with Barbara Comstock. She’s like an acorn, plant her and you’ll get an oak tree with no further input than water and some shit from time to time.
BTW, that’s a JD she has, so it’s Dr/lawyer Monica who is so fuzzy on the law.
However, she would need special information about who to fire if it involved DoJ staff who were ‘good Republicans’ but who were not prosecuting to order, eg the fired USA’s.
Mutant Poodle -
All The President’s Men -
you mean this one ?
although not a day goes by, I don’t console myself with this one :)
Note- the extras don’t exactly clear him, there will be insertions of items that don’t match visit logs or travel itenerary as plausible excuse.
TiredFed @ 116
marcy’s the original
Christy Hardin Smith @ 97
Good. One thing that I thought of is she would NOT admit to misleading McNulty while she was preparing him for his congressional testimony. I believe that she did mislead him and I suspect that there are documents which back this up. So I am hoping that maybe they try to get her on this.
If she had admitted to it, they couldn’t get her for it right because of her immunity?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 92
Christy, this deserves serious discussion. You SAY that purely partisan rationales did not enter into your judgements as a prosecutor. I really think it is TRUE. I also think it’s TRUE with Republican appointees. But it does colour your selection of cases. I suspect you tended to concentrate more on big business violations, EPA type violations; Big Drug company violations than let’s say violent crime, drug crime, immigration violation, etc. I don’t think that’s wrong. It’s how we as a democracy steer the ship of state. There’s a LOT of crime out there, more than any prosecutor can charge; so you concentrate on what’s IMPORTANT to you. By choosing folks with a similar world view, the Executive IS using his/her democratic mandate to influence that which was important at election time. That’s NOT “every one does it”. It IS how elections matter.
TiredFed @ 111
And yet she came up blank or nearly blank looking when asked about her WH contacts. Instead she gave a description of herself that sounded like she was social coordinator keeping track of “events” or something like that and liason activities. She needs to be grilled much much harder with emails in hand about her personnel practices. It is not enough for her to say she “may have crossed the line a few times.” I wonder what her current resume looks like.
She also seemed real uncomfortable when asked about Domenici.
TiredFed @ 122
Heh. Yeah, the way she chattered away to filibuster some answers made those pauses all the more obvious.
LibertyLee @ 61
What a sad world you must live in, where there is no difference between “The AG has ALWAYS had both a legal AND a political role” and the AG firing multiple career prosecutors whose expertise at enforcing the law keeps us all safe because they wouldn’t subvert the law to suppress the votes for the other party. Rather like saying that murder is no big deal because people have always died.
To paraphrase Moynihan, every administration is entitled to their own policies, but not their own laws. Without that, there is no democracy.
Good morning from L.A. An excellent post, Christy. Dan Lungren used to be the CA AG a while ago. Couldn’t stand him then, & he hasn’t changed except to get more obnoxious as a House Rep.
LA Times ran an op-ed by David Iglesias yesterday on Gonzales stepping down. In recent Times fashion, the counterbalance was provided in a debate op-ed, Doug Kmiec v. Harry Litman. Kmiec’s playing of the race/poverty card regarding Gonzales’ fitness as AG & his take on the recent SJC hearings are, uh, interesting:
Iglesias Op-Ed
Kmiec/Litman Debate Gonzales Firing
KestrelBrighteyes @ 91
I don’t think it’s coincidence at all. In fact, just after the NSA wiretap story broke, several channels started playing “Enemy of the State,” and still are.
Thanks for posing the $100,000 question: at whose orders was she purging those deemed insufficiently Republican? Monica has limited immunity. Can’t she be compelled to answer this question or forfeit immunity?
citizensue @ 101Does anyone know of a reason why Greg Palast has not turned these Rove e-mails over to the SJC ? Can they send a letter to request he do so? Greg says he has the juice. Why does he not act?
I don’t know why….but from the person known as Zach who posts for him over at Dailykos recently wrote:
Conyers – We have been talking and planning meetings with him-
Let’s hope that is true.
Great post Christy! I only wish that your words were published in an editorial in every newspaper across the country this morning…
Rayne @ 39
Otherwise known as the Eichmann defense. Except “following orders” was only implied, like she had some vague concensus of superiors guiding her in her personnel decisions.
Very nearly OT, but … is anybody besides me reminded of Tonya Harding when you look at that shot of MG?
Items listed for the record were in public sphere before goodling’s testimony, they could argue, by law’s letter, she cannot be considered immune.
Her testimony simply opens broad opportunity to turn state’s evidence.
Who was the shadow person that kept moving in and out of the room, the person that Monica is unable to remember?
I have seen next to nothing about that comment Monica made about on holding up immigration judges.
Can that maybe figrue into and defeat BushCo’s claim of immigration enforcement as root cause of most USAttorny terminations?
Lee at 126 — Then you would be wrong. I did quite a lot of child abuse and neglect and kiddie porn and juvenile matters, sure, but I also prosecuted a lot of violent crime, up to and including murder cases and drug prosecutions. Don’t stereotype me. And while we are on the subject, looseheadprop has put away more violent offenders than most prosecutors see in a lifetime. That whole “Republicans are tough on criminals and Democrats are tough on business interests” line is fabricated GOP talking points bullshit that Limbaugh spoonfeeds to his listeners. And, by the way, a violation of law — be it by a violent criminal or a corporation or whomever — ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, period, where such prosecution is warrented by the facts. Without regard to politics.
LibertyLee @ 61
ah yes, I had forgotten that unbroken line of Caesers, from Julius to George II.
kathleen @ 138
That bugged me and was so clearly a lie. I don’t know what the parameters are in these settings but I wished that Conyers would have warned her, we went to the trouble of getting you immunity and at some point, if you have memory problems on key issues, we will consider a perjury charge.
Mandrake @ 100
lol, me too :)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 92
Brava. Exactly. How in the hell are we supposed to teach our kids ethics and values and NOT expect the leaders we choose to exhibit the same?
Makes the everybodydoesit crap even more annoying. I can hear myself sounding more like my parents: “If the U.S. Attorney jumped off the roof, would you do it, too?”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 142
And, Lee, Christy was not a federal prosecutor.
citizensue @ 100
Palast interview with Amy Goodman
I love Palast, but I must say this is so sensational, it is difficult for me to believe it is really true. If so, why is it not news?? And, of course, there is no reason for Palast to make this up. What is he holding back and why? I can’t stand the suspense!! This is frikkin explosive, IMO.
Does anyone have additional information? I can’t get anything off the Net that tells me more than this interview snippet. The only other thing I know is that I heard Rove was targeting Palast before a group of Pubs, perhaps RNC, and, although I can’t remember verbatim what he said, it was obvious Rove perceived Palast as a serious threat and he was aware of the gravity of this news which is “not news.”
“David Iglesias: Rochester: Because, as Sen. Specter and AG Gonzales have stated, there are some inappropriate reasons to force US Attorneys out. Such as trying to derail or interfere with on-going cases or investigations. I believe that to be the case with Ms. Lam, Mr. Bogden, Mr. McKay and me.” wapo
Rayne @ 106
Agreed. They make for good sparring practice, though, esp when they trot out the talking points of the day. It’s inspirational for the rest of us see Rayne or Hugh knock ‘em into the middle of next week with some facts and good reasoning. As a bonus we get ready-made ammo to use next time the talking points come up — and you know they will.
After they are put in their place, though, best to delete. TPM gets unreadable some days, their minder is sooooooo long-winded.
MG’s persistent reference to McNulty as “the Deputy” or “the DAG” was painful to watch. She must really hate him. Even though “hate” would be her way of actually “loving him in God”. And I couldn’t stand her Aliceinwonderlandy replies either – “Oooooo, I didn’t mean to cross the line, no really I didn’t, nuh uh, no, NO, not me.” Ahhhhhhhhbullshitchewwwwwwww!
I really do not get this. If the secret order and addendum which “allegedly” delegated authority to Goodling that by passed McNulty. Why did McNulty resign?
Palast is right about the pardoy site getting authentic emails, the ones that were from their outside servers.
They could not go after the guy officially because the emails were in violation of the law.
He put them to use at times as comment on various scandals…
I’d still suspect the whole of them. Rove can send false vetting along with real, he’s done it before. Easy as a fake wiretap on his own office.
citizen sue @100: woops, in my zeal, I overlooked the Bradblog entries. Still, I am dumbfounded about why this is not a national story. I know, I know, stupid question. But we need to see them!!
Rayne @ 6:24 -
Agree again…..and it *is* a form of “cut and run”. Otoh, that’s precisely the reason I *don’t* go those other places. Having pebbles thrown in the Lake is getting reeeeeeel old, reeeeeel fast.
From a page on the Senate Judiciary Committee’s Web site:
Jane S. @ 143
It bugged me, too, but no, Goodling deserved NO warning. She’s an ATTORNEY who lawyered up heavily and refused to meet the HJC until after she’d been granted immunity. She knew exactly what she was doing.
I wish the HJC would have pressed on the matter that if she met so infrequently at the White House, wouldn’t she have checked the attendee list of meeting notices first to see who’d be there? Wouldn’t she have made a point as DOJ White House Liaison to meet and greet everyone in a White House meeting? Or was her job NOT White House Liaison?
If Greg Palast has evidence that contradicts any testimony given to date, it is his responsibility to turn over copies of all that he claims is evidence to the Senate and House staff of the Judiciary Committees. Withholding evidence of a purported crime is as bad as committing the crime yourself. Period. And the committees should have the opportunity to assess the veracity or lack thereof and supporting evidence or lack thereof on the materials in question. This isn’t some PR maneuver, it is a Congressional investigation and it ought to be treated with seriousness. I have no idea if Greg has turned over everything he’s been talking about having or not — but if he hasn’t, he’d best get it to them in triplicate before they subpoena his ass and make him explain publicly why he was hanging onto it in the midst of a very public investigation.
Mandrake @ 148
I have to buy his book. On Amazon I was encourgaed to buy that with Marcy’s book. I ended up buying Marcy’s book with some SciFi and the history of the Ottoman empire. Oh well.
Scott Jennings is all over the place (Monica’s office, GSA, where else?) Is he scheduled to testify because both Monica and Doan certainly seem to have needed his help to violate the Hatch Act.
Also, when and how did Kyle Sampson know that he had a finalized list of USAs to be fired…since he was only the compiler. Who — in his view — was the decider? Who did Monica think was the decider? Who did Gonzalez think was the decider? Who did McNulty think was the decider?
Slightly OT…there was a new listing of two sets of documents at the HJC. I’m assuming that these are the docs that Goodling handed over after vetting by DOJ.
Are these essentially dupes of previously released documents or is there new material? Or…are they too heavily redacted to tell? It seems as if there’s a number of correspondences between Sampson, Goodling, Oprison, and griffin in the docs that I looked at.
I’m afraid I have to agree with Lee about one thing he implies: if the Democrats get control of the WH there is no reason not to expect them to do the same as Bush.
These hearings are a great window into the corrupt world of the Bush administration. But while the netroots cheer on the hearings as “accountability”, I fear the Democrats are simply using them as payback and smokescreen.
I actually agree with a Republican I know who believes its all a show. What has come out of these hearings? What WILL come out of these hearings? With impeachment “off the table”, what is the end game here?
While the media covers the latest revelations, the Democrats continue to load up on campaign contributions, pork and sell-outs to business (and even to Bush).
Nothing has changed in Washington other than a few faces and few names. The same song and dance proceeds as if nothing had happened in November.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 142
Since I don’t know you, I believe what you tell me. But that doesn’t mean that with all the violations of law that an Adminstration has to deal with that SOMEWHERE someone doesn’t have to set priorities. That person is the AG with direction from the elected President and yes, political officials. All I’m saying that is that CHOICE in priorities is the ESSENCE of politics.
I was listening to Greg Palast yesterday, and he has been loudly pointing to the fact that it’s pretty much about the caging lists leading up to ‘08, and much of the damage is already done. He said that over a million and a half voters have been caged already, and they won’t know about it probably until they get to the poling station.
He also says he has 500 of Rove’s emails that were sent to rnc dot org by mistake.
What are some takeaways from yesterday in terms of action items?
What are the next steps? We need to see Gonzo go!
Rayne @ 6:18 am -
Is an enlarged version of that chart available?
PageUp @ 162
This is where it’s our responsibilty to hold ANY and ALL polticians accountable. A little thing refered to as “by the people for the people.”
AJ @ 160
Well it’s telling that Sampson testified to volunteering Fitzgerald for the list in a meeting. Harriet Miers squashed him with one look. So I am sure Harriet Miers was one of the Deciders.
Redshift @ 131
Mmmm, me wonders how LibertyLee would react if Dems had been the majority and had been packing the DOJ with political appointees willy-nilly. Methinks shoe being on other foot now is giving him corns.
ah crap! gonna break my own standing rule here and respond –
Spoils ?? excuse me, but these spoils belong to We The People. They are Our laws, Our justice system, Our form of government – won and maintained by tremendous sacrifice by generations of Americans – and not something to be doled out to Party Faithful for winning Best Talking Points Evah contest
your comment evinces a passing unfamiliarity with the most fundamental understanding of governance in a democratic Republic
I know, I’ll hate myself in the mornin’ X~(
filthy hydra-headed mcfredo up next
Rayne @ 39
She wasn’t JUST a lawyer. She was a lawyer in the DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, you know, the departmet whos mission is to ENFORCE THE LAW?
Sickening
So why didn’t they ask the question.
It’s as if someone re-wrote the film “A Few Good Men” and had Tom Cruise sit down in his chair without asking Jack Nicholson “Did you order the Code Red?”.
Rayne @ 115
AZ Matt @ 72
Jeebus. Any lawyer care to respond to this stuff and nonsense?
IANAL, but as I understand it, disbarment is not a legal punishment, but a yanking of one’s license by the legal community for violations of ethics and standards in such a way that continuing to hold a license to practice insults the rest of the profession.
Admittedly without being able to cite authority on the question, the immunity offered was against criminal prosecution. Only. And only as to matters which arose, and which she addressed, at the hearing. Anything she didn’t talk about, or which may be found elsewhere by means excluding her own testimony, she’s still on the hook for.
The applicable bar association is still very much free to take whatever action, if any, they deem appropriate.
She was no more immunized against disbarment than she was immunized against scathing editorials, or the effect her testimony might have in her search for future employment.
tgrdug @ 150
I wonder if emptywheel will pick apart this bit. The use of DAG looked and sounded to me like an attempt to weasel around McNulty; she didn’t actually cite him in certain places, only made reference to his role.
Which makes it look like she inferred McNulty was involved, when he may not actually have been involved. By “DAG” and no other clarification, she could have been referring to his predecessor or interim DAG.
I think the use of “DAG” also accentuated the use of the DAG role as a scapegoat, framed to take the blame. The PatActII was signed on/around 01-MAR-06, delegation HR authority to Sampson/Goodling roles on 01-MAR-06…but McNulty was not sworn in as DAG until 17-MAR-06. They were already well under way with their work in 2005 before McNulty came on board, and they repeatedly avoided him, keeping him out of the loop. In their eyes, DAG was only a placeholder.
Okay, anyone who sees me back on this blog before 3:00 pm has to right to run me off cuz I gotta get outta here and do some work on getting my effed-up life in order, fer cryin’ out loud! Peace to all. And, thanks Christy!
Mandrake @ 148
Palast has been on target for a long time. I have always wondered about all of the communication and e-mails between Former Republican Secretary of State Blackwell(Ohio) and Rove. Palast has been to Ohio quite a few times.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0103-24.htm
Christy Hardin Smith @ 155
If Greg Palast has evidence that contradicts any testimony given to date, it is his responsibility to turn over copies of all that he claims is evidence to the Senate and House staff of the Judiciary Committees. Withholding evidence of a purported crime is as bad as committing the crime yourself. Period. And the committees should have the opportunity to assess the veracity or lack thereof and supporting evidence or lack thereof on the materials in question. This isn’t some PR maneuver, it is a Congressional investigation and it ought to be treated with seriousness. I have no idea if Greg has turned over everything he’s been talking about having or not — but if he hasn’t, he’d best get it to them in triplicate before they subpoena his ass and make him explain publicly why he was hanging onto it in the midst of a very public investigation.
Palast said last night, on Randi Rhodes, that he does have an appointment w/ John Conyers. Can’t remember precisely when, but relatively soon – within a week or two.
Here’s ol’ Tom Jefferson, again. Was he some kind of seer (sp)?
Tom Steele @ 56
First you have to make the record that will allow you to win incourt and overcome Executive Privledge. Shoot too soon and you lose in court. The S. CT,. is stacked so the case has to be so overwhelming that they cannot protect the emperor
Raw Story has provided a transcript of Keith Olbermann’s special comment broadcast last evening:
Olbermann rails against Bush, Democrats for Iraq deal
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 180
C&L has teh video
jayt at 176 – Excellent. Good to hear.
OT, but not really….
this morning, at 10am, the house committee on science and technology is going to have a hearing called, “The NASA Administrator’s Speech to Office of Inspector General Staff, the Subsequent Destruction of Video Records, and Associated Matters“
from the hearing charter:
and it just gets better (worse) after that – including the desctruction of video tape evidence.
the hearing is supposed to be webcast at the committee website.
Hey everybody,
Hope all are well.
Seems to me that the Dems mostly wanted to get Gonzo on the hook for perjury; possible witness tampering.
Jane S. @ 74
Someone would have to find out where she is admitted to practice and lodge a written complaint in that jurisdiction. Immunty would not protect from disbarment if the underlying activity meets the criteria for disbarment in that jurisdiction.
jayt @ 178
Palast said last night, on Randi Rhodes, that he does have an appointment w/ John Conyers. Can’t remember precisely when, but relatively soon – within a week or two.
Whew, Christy, thank you for addressing something which had me profoundly perplexed as a non-lawyer. It is a relief to hear you say that, since no one else on the blogs seems to have addressed same!
OK, glad I peeked back one more time to get that valuable bit of info before I get down to bidness. I do have the House blabberings on the spending bill in the background, for what it’s worth.
Really, truly outta here!! Mbeep, mbeep!
PageUp @ 161
You get the government you deserve. I admit my own irresponsibility in not being engaged more than a decade ago — and I’ve correct that mistake and am now doing what I to ask for accountability and change at all levels of government.
But what the hell are you doing, besides siding with someone who regularly cheerleads for the Culture of Corruption in office? What are you AND that Republican you mentioned doing besides sitting around watching what you believe to be a show? Did you contact the House Judiciary Committee and ask them any questions? Did you contact your Rep or Senator and tell them to demand the DOJ reject politicization in the enforcement of laws?
Democracy is NOT a spectator sport. Do something besides whine.
edit: and while you’re at it, since you used a known Republican talking point, cite examples of pork added to bills by Dems. Go on, you can do it. We’ll be waiting.
tgrdug @ 151
Just remember…DAG is GAD spelled backwards.
LibertyLee @ 128
Of course you do, and despite your denials, it is “everyone does it.” To justify your support for the sleazeballs who subverted the laws of the land for partisan gain, you declare that because Christy is a Democrat she must have acted in a partisan manner, even though you haven’t the slightest evidence for it. We see this all the time with modern Republicans, “we had to do this, because we’re sure the other side is doing it (even though we have no evidence), and if we didn’t cheat, then their cheating which we can’t prove would let them win unfairly.”
We’re not talking about “policy” here. Demanding that prosecutors bring “voter fraud” cases for which there is no evidence or be fired isn’t “choosing cases,” it’s undermining the rule of law. Elected officials calling US Attorneys to complain about how they’re handling an individual case against their political opponents isn’t policy either. We’re not just a nation of elections, we’re a nation of laws, and no one is entitled to appoint to law enforcement “folks with a similar worldview” that the law of the land is subservient to the interests of their party.
Do you honestly think this has never happened before ?
Not that this justifies this current debacle, but Karl Rove did not invent this kind of skullduggery, though he excels at it. Nor did these kind of dirty tricks spring into existence with the Bush Administration.
Replacing magistrates and judicial authorities for political and ideological reasons is a time honoured tradition.
Good commentary by Fineman and Olberman on HoJoe via Crooks and Liars.
fionnbarr @ 188
So? That make it a good idea?
Christy @ 92
I couldn’t agree more that the “everybody does it” rationalization is BS. If we do not expect more from ourselves as a nation, or from our public servants then we will continue to have a lawless, mediocre to corrupt government. I think many of us ask more from ourselves and our children than we do our public servants/government!
fionnbarr @ 191
Time honoured how exactly ?
looseheadprop @ 171
Brava and thank you. Most excellent accentuation.
fionnbarr @ 190
Justice is supposed to be blind in its application of the law, without regard to political affiliation.
That’s a time honored tradition, too.
Or is it not so in the country where you come from where they still spell it “honour”?
Drawn & Quartered. No, Fifthed. (metaphorically speaking of course)
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There are lots of things that ‘everybody does’ or at least that enough people would do that we humans formed societies and made laws to ensure justice fore everyone. LL says ‘to the Victor belong the spoils’ — and says he thinks it’s called Democracy. What an idiot, his thinking doesn’t make it so. What he’s describing is a dictatorship. From wiki
Now, doesn’t that definition fit better?
Mandrake @ 146
palast’s style isn’t one that i find easy to take seriously – but the fact is that he was the one screaming about katherine harris’s purging of the fake felons from the voter’s roles (FL, 2000) months before anyone would take him seriously enough to even refute his claims. now, his reporting been accepted as the mainstream understanding of what happened.
nothing palast says do i dismiss as hype. his track record has earned him that…. although i confess, i still find it hard work.
5/23/07
Toledo Blade paper editorial opinion:
“Mr Gonzales must be fired. He clearly has no respect for legality or for Americans’ rights- truly appalling characteristics for an attorney general”
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Press conference in rose garden today:
Will gwb(small case) try to gather support for Bush war funding by attempting fear again re: ‘new threat from Iraq’?
BUSH HAS NO TRUTH CAPITAL LEFT.
looseheadprop @ 186
My understanding is that she’s licensed in VA.
.Press conference in rose garden today:
Will gwb(small case) try to gather support for Bush war funding by attempting fear again re: ‘new threat from Iraq’?
BUSH HAS NO TRUTH CAPITAL LEFT.
Bush has a warped view of truth and justice.
I found the hearings frustrating to watch due to the procedure – 5 minutes for each member, alternating Democrats with Republicans.
The Republicans obstruct and obfuscate the hearings to protect the Bush administration and the rules give them a good opportunity to do this.
Five minutes is not much time and some of the Democratic members were not very well prepared and not as skilled questioners as others.
It’s difficult to maintain the momentum of a line of questioning under these rules and some promising lines of questioning were cut off.
Why is it necessary to alternate Republicans and Democrats?
Would it be possible for Chairman Conyers to give those Democratic members who are better prepared and with superior questioning skills, like Davis, Ellingson and others, more time to pursue their line of questioning?
I’d like to see the Democratic members go into their hearings with a real game plan and
follow up on each others questions.
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Tom Steele @ 56
Although I agree with your sentiments does anyone really believe that the party that just sold all of us out with their Iraq and potential trade deals is going to go after Rove, Miers and others? It’s looking more and more like we’ve been punked. At the end of the day every one of those people is going to walk away and the Democrats will have done nothing.
Everyone is talking about MG’s qualifications and Regent U. What does it say about all the lawyers we’ve put in Congress and their qualifications/law schools if they can’t ask the simplest, most basic questions that get asked around here every day?
JH
Fresh threadiness, available for the reading.
new thread upstairs – oh – Christy made up for my tardiness.
anyone watching or listening (Dirksen-226) to the senate judiciary committee meeting this morning? i can’t, because i have the house science committee hearing streaming….
two important items are being covered in today’s sjc meeting:
Authorization of Subpoenas in Connection with Investigation into Replacement of U.S. Attorneys
S. 185, Habeas Corpus Restoration Act of 2007
(Specter, Leahy, Feinstein, Feingold, Whitehouse)
I am getting an image of Monica with a flute, thanks to this article…
what is it about Monicas and politics? note to politicos: don’t hire anyone with that name… she’ll bring you down…
good questions! alas, those are always the ones that go unasked…
“I didn’t mean to”
Wasn’t that Baby Dahl’s excuse?
No wonder
Monica Goodling looks so familiar, Bush has been hiring third tier Batman villians.
Taking personal responsibility for personal actions is a sign of maturity, character and integrity, especially when confronted with the truth. If you have any measure of self-respect you stand up and take your lumps. Not doing so is an intentional attempt at dodging the consequences.
Twenty five years ago I stood before a judge and entered a guilty plea knowing I was subjecting myself to a probable life sentence in prison but I knew I had made a serious mistake and committed a crime. I had no intent to harm nor even a clear understanding of what the consequences would be for me, or the boy, at the time I molested him.
But my actions were wrong and criminal and I could see that. I would not compound my mistake by having the boy or his family spend one minute in court. They had enough to deal with already.
I was sentenced to a 5 to life term and served about six years. Despite my record and now having to register as a sex-offender, I can hold my head up and say I did the right thing when the opportunity presented itself to take responsibility for my behavior and I consider that the very least I could do. I wish I could have done more.
But I can look at myself in the mirror and know that even though I did a very wrong thing I have more integrity and self-respect than Alberto Gonzales the predator of our Constitution, Monica Goodling the sycophant’s sycophant, and the whole rotten corrupt WH crowd. (I know that’s not saying much, but you get the point:)
I don’t like to contradict Christy (especailly when she is bragging on me) but, the other night I was sitting 3 seats away from a woman who has been an AUSA in SDNY for 37 years! Believe me, there are many prosecutors who have been at it much longer than my brief tenure and who have put away amnny, many more bad guys than I.
However, I would like to point out that the origianl let’s criminalize the crap they pull on Wall Stree guys were — Teddy Roosevelt (the trust busting yeats), and late Rudy Guliani (the Greed is good years)
Both republicans. The Enron Task Force, the brain child of Republican Jim Comey. The wonderful Thompson memo for prosecution of corporations –By a Republican.
On the other hand during the BobbKennedy years–emphasis on mob cases. During the Reno years emphasis on terrorism cases.
The rality is exactly opposite the spin
twolf1 @ 107
Probably to talk about Osama’s plans for the US using Iraq as base and filtered through Zarkawi before he was killed…
Ms. Goodling’s testimony made me appreciate the candor of Ollie North — sad to say that those old days of in-your-face right wing takeover were better than what we’re witnessing now. America today is in the throes of a slow coup by glib speech.
kathleen @ 152
I think it is part of a strategy that Schumer has worked out. I think there is some chess going on here
Miss Goodling reminded of Patty McCormack in the 1956 film, “The Bad Seed”. Pretty, pert and helpful. But don’t turn your back, never trust her side of the story, and watch out for lightning.
Don’t know if this thread is still alive but I am not so sure anyone needed to tell the lovely Ms M to do any of this. She had drunk to kool-aid, knew in her evil little heart what needed to be done, and had already practiced it working for the RNC.
A corollary question though might be: Who knew she was doing it and what was their responsibility to report it. I don’t know the legal details here but doesn’t that amount to some sort of conspiracy in and of itself?
looseheadprop @ 211
Jim Comey is a Democrat.
Darling Miss Monica is one of hundreds employed by Mr. Bush’s federal misgovernment. Unlike Ms. Doan, most of them are below the radar. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t working like busy little bees, though termites would be a better analogy.
Clearly she should be behind bars and required to watch the Nuremberg Trial movie with Spencer Tracy daily but instead she’ll get promoted and rewarded for Bushie loyalty. The golden girl rapidly promoted did whatever she could for the Decider’s agenda. Including ruining other people’s career for political gain and turning the DOJ into the RNC.
In short she studied law and chose to destroy it. Had she studied medicine, she would have tried to create Frankinstein.
LHP@211 — thanks for bringing a dose of reality to the ‘lake. Groupthink and preaching to the choir are easy traps.
LibertyLee @ 42
“Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies…” Proverbs 31:10
Out of her own mouth she was convicted — Monica doesn’t make the cut when it comes to virtue.
LibertyLee @ 163
Ultimately, the current administration’s position of power that you alude to are, in my mind, ill-gotten gains stolen in 2000 and 2004. Without the criminal activity that took place in FL in 2000 and in OH in 2004, this administration, obviously, would not command our ship of state. The disease has infected the states, and if truth be known, probably levels of gov’t much beneath the state level. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you must, but, the sunshine being applied to all these scandals make that characterization less vulgar.
Re: JF @ 132 & Elliot @ 99 :
Oh, I know, it was a tongue in cheek comment – the movie was definitely NOT coincidence. I thought it was GREAT timing, and I’m hoping to see it replayed a few MORE times before the house of cards falls completely down. I’ve referred to that movie more than once when explaining who David Iglesias is – and that point is best hammered home when followed by “and the sad part is, one of the reasons he was told he was being fired was because he spent 40 days per year away from his office serving in the Naval Reserve”
(And yes, we know that’s NOT why he was fired, but it’s a reason given, so….)
When the movie came on last night, we had just finished supper, and I said, rather excitedly, “OH COOL! I’ve been wanting to see this! Do y’all know who that movie’s about?” When I told them, my son and husband both groaned – then found things to do in other rooms. They’re a little tired of hearing about it.
That’s one reason I love coming here – besides the fact that I learn A LOT, and I get to laugh A LOT, it’s nice to have a place to go with kindred spirits who actually WANT to talk about this slow and painful process of taking back our government and restoring our democracy.
yellowdogD @ 54
I bet she’s a blonde, too. Where do they get these blondes? Coulter, Monica, et al?
cbl @ 170
The Spoils belong to We the People, I agree. And every 4 years, the Executive gets to change its people and priorities. Democrat Andrew Jackson simply said what was true before and for every President after.
This is a really good post.
I’m going out to the sidewalk with my cellular and calling Rangel, Clinton, and Schumer and telling them, right now, stop everything.
Get these F**king criminals out of our government!
Good morning from the stoneface state! Just passing through; what a difference sleep makes! Christy, good job yesterday and excellent article this am; very succinctly put. My stomach is still sour from yesterday’s congressional hearing experience. It’s really too bad they didn’t consult many here to obtain some pointed, relevant questions because many of them sure as hell didn’t!
Conyers stammering and stuttering up there wasted serious time, not to mention Dough-boy Cannon’s spewing shit in the face of America (have they ever heard of ‘keep on topic’; do ya think Conyers could have directed as such?). I am so more disheartened by our political leaders I could just vomit. With each passing day I come more aware just how much America has lost. We no longer have a representative government. Our forefathers must have drilled a hole to China by now with as many times as they’ve turned over in their graves!
Anyway. Hope this finds everyone well and anticipating a good holiday weekend. Let us honor those who have bravely served our country. Especially those who have honored their commitment at the behest of a dishonorable, deceitful, immoral president (and his ‘loyal’ administration) whose lives have been lost at his command. He is ultimately responsible for ANY criminal conduct that has transpired in the Iraq war, including its illegal beginning, for had he been reasonable, logical, and have rudimentary critical thinking skills (let alone hire anyone who can read or write for heaven’s sake-and these people call themselves educated?!), their (soldiers) conduct would not have happened because they would not have been there!
But hey, what do I know? I’m just a common, responsible, educated working woman who flies through here every now and then to feel somewhat relieved that there are others ‘just like me’; and damn, we don’t even have to know each other’s party or religious affiliation to feel welcome! Thank you, FDL and all for that!
SandraParker @ 220
I am with you. Rolling over takes place even at FDL!
Yellow Dog, I meant to close your quote, not start a new block quote with my comment. Still learning, sorry. Marilyn
LibertyLee @ 217
Sorry, LL — Your talking point may say that, but his colleagues think otherwise:
Somehow, I would think that if Bush had appointed a Democrat to be the #2 at the DOJ, that would have been mentioned somewhere along the line.
Lee at 217:
Jim Comey is a democrat? How do you know that? I know that has become a favored talking point in the rightwing media and blogs, but that does not make it so. And it defies logic that John Ashcroft, of all people, would appoint a Dem as his Deputy Attorney General.
I mean, think about it.
Um, well… She was thoroughly coached, I’ll give her that.
Jeffrey Toobin referred to her last evening as ‘a seventh-rate lawyer from a fifth-rate school’. I’m not sure he realized that the whole thing was a performance. She couldn’t have gotten through law school if she was as clueless as she presented herself.
Over at C&L, someone in the comments said they’d heard Issa say that he’d talked to the WH about Lam. I haven’t had time yet to go through the livebloggin to see if he actually said that. If so, could that be another opening to slam a wedge into? (Get Issa under oath and ask him lots of questions. What exactly was Rove’s role in the recall election? Why did Issa drop out so suddenly?)
drbonzo @ 138
Yes — and like Tonya, she can’t be bothered to touch up her roots once a month. (Meow, cattiness exorcised.)
The answer is right under our noses folks.
They have been answering the question quite blatantly and purposefully all along as to who told them to do this, and everyone just keeps blowing by it.
They serve at the pleasure of the President.
TiredFed@111–
Thanks! I assume HJC or SJC will follow up.
LibertyLee@217–
Wrong. Comey is a Republican and so is John Ashcroft, who also refused to sign off on Dubya’s illegal wiretapping. We’re not appalled by this administration for being Republicans. We’re appalled at them for being criminals!
“Who issued the political fatwa on Democratic hires at Justice?”
ROVE! For purely political reasons. (Has Rove EVER had a truly honorable motivation?)
Palast reveals this quite clearly in his new book, that, basically, Griffin and Goodling, both registered Rovians, were setting up a “stacked deck” at DOJ in order to manipulate the 2008 elections. And that means, at least for now, McCain for President, because he hired Rove’s extended sleaze-gang to manage his campaign, the very same people who trashed him in South Carolina after he whooped-up on Bush in New Hampshire in 2000.
And eventually, aren’t we all, at least in part, judged by our choice of bedfellows?
LHP good thought on Schumer’s chess game-
Yes, Dems will feign incompetence and ignorance the same way gwb and agag do for results.
But then we would need to also call the day the night, and call wax the wane.
….and then need to be one step ahead.
That’s kind of hard on the conscience.
Easier for them bc there is very little repug conscience or shame to deter their actions.
looseheadprop @ 186
Did we ever establish that Goodling had passed the bar exam in ANY State? The last time this came up, no one was able to find out.
wgg: tokin liberal @ 110
Jeeeeesus—- by all means get this to the Committee and Conyers specifically. Brad Friedman has worked with Conyers in the past at BradBlog on voting machines and voter fraud. You’d think this was an obvious channel of communication. Palast is right. Keys to the Kingdom and Rove’s little “enterprise” called “The Math” is very plain and , as Palast says, a “go to jail” felony.
Brisingamen @ 233
More like a hybrid of Tonya Harding and Ann Coulter, now there’s something to grimace over… EEEWWWWW!!!!
Monica’s spin on not intending to break the law highlight her Regent education and her immaturity and lack of real world experience.
Yes, you need criminal intent for most crimes. But that intent is the intent to do the crimial part of the act; not an intent to be a criminal. She intended to use political party affiliation to exclude some candidates ad prefer other candidates. That was the intent that mattered – not her gobbledygooking about not intending to commit a criminal act.
Granted, she now has immunity. OTOH, if she is found to have breached in any way – she’s back on the hook. A Bar isn’t affected by immunity agreemets for purposes of revoking her licese. And all her hires are now suspect.
See – that doesn’t really cut it from an intent standpoint.
But here’s the other thing. She’s the juvenile with no experience. McNulty is a grown man with all kinds of experience. I’m guessing he wouldn’t have let a paralegal be fired with the kind of criteria these guys were using if it had bee his USA office.
Yes, Gozales cut him out of the loop some, but he’s not the three monkeys transformed into human form. THere’s no way he did’t know what Monica was doing with politization of hires. THere’s no way he didn’t know about Presidential Records and Hatch Act violatios. Whatever loop he was cut out of on the AG’s hires/fires – both McNulty and his COS were involved in all kinds of emails and meetings on this USA mess.
Again, he’s the adult – the guy with real credentials. He should have stood up and asked for information during the process and asked the tough, direct questions. The thing was – he didn’t want to hear the answers. He wanted to hide from the answers, so he didn’t ask. He knew who was running the show re: the selections of the replacement USAs and he probably also knew who was putting lists together to be judicial nominees and you have to wonder what his aspirations might have been on that front. He’s DAG – he knows what Lam has done with Cunningham – he knows what she is working on with Foggo and Wilkes. As soon as her name came up he should have been pounding the table and getting to the bottom of what was really going on. Goodling might actually have been a bit naive on some of those fronts – but McNulty would not have been. At best – he saw the train coming and strolled off while the USAs were tied to the tracks. That’s at best.
happy monkey at 210
Good on you! Everyone’s moral compass can get confused for a wide variety of reasons – which, while not an excuse – makes forgiveness a valid pathway to social rehabilitation for those who can first effect personal transformation by “seeing” aright their previous trespasses onto the rights of others.
To one degree or another, every human being has to walk this path in order to grow – we’ve all got issues – it’s just steeper for some than others, and again for a wide variety of reasons.
What I find *glaring* about the whole BushCo regime is “Winning is their only Morality” – for them, loyalty to the ends justify any means short of getting caught.
BushCo is Killing, Cheating and Stealing in the name of Jesus – while clutching a Bible that says the word of God is to “Love Your Enemies” – and they can’t “see” the hyposcrisy.
You, sir, are much healthier than a “loyal Bushie” – glad to see you here at the Lake!
LibertyLee @ 96
wrong again. immunity is only from using her testimony in other legal proceedings. she can be (and will be) prosecuted for wrongdoing.
mui @ 129
she was uncomfortable cuz she was deeply and personally involved in the Domenici/Griffin/Rove love triangle (musta been a 3 on 1).
Lee at 217 — Comey is a registered Republican. And has been his entire voting life. There are a number of people who read here, comment and post who know Comey personally — saying that he is a Democrat is false. Period.
According to Greg Palast on Randi Rhodes (I’m paraphrasing here):
Greg Palast is an old friend of John Conyers, so Conyers knows all about the emails Greg has. Conyers is slowly circling in to give the criminals in the Bush admin/DOJ enough rope to hang themselves with.
Karl Rove isn’t an evil genius, just evil.
The honest US Attorneys were gotten rid of to make room for the vote-fixers. Tim Griffin is a perpetrator of the felony crime of caging, who is now the prosecutor (USA) for Arkansas. He is there to fix the 2008 Presidential race. Conyers gets this. However on the Senate side, the Senate Democratic investigator was saying “we shouldn’t worry about Tim Griffin because he’s only an interim appointee.” He is an appointee through the 2008 election. The Senate investigator doesn’t get this yet.
Greg will meet again with Conyers next week.
- Tom
she said as an answer to one question, that wrt the immigration judges anyway, that Kyle Sampson told her it was all right to use other criteria. I’m assuming that he gave her the marching orders in other cases as well.
radiofreewill at #242
The person you addressed did 6 years.
The child is affected for life- no chance of parole.
Tough choice? I think I would take a loyal Bushie over that.
New campaign ad for Bush and Co. though.
Liberty Lee,
Whenever a registered Republican says something you don’t agree with do they then become a Democrat?
I wanted to know her answer to the question “Before you were offered immunity from prosecution, from what were you protecting yourself from incrimination by pleading the 5th?”
Marilyn In Texas @ 224
right outta the bottle.
when they profess loyalty to MerKa’s roots, they mean it -right back to their own, hon…
Bluetoe @ 249
all that energy! woweee!
we gotta lotta weeds here-bouts. Very therapeutic to yank em right out. Sometimes ya gotta slip that trowel down deep & just snap the root, but they come out quick & easy as ya pleeze. One try iz all they’re worth, unless ya like nipping of seed-heads over ‘n over…
Milan River @ 248
The person I addressed would have suffered for life, too, had he not recognized his mistake and publicly atoned for it – by showing he knows right from wrong (without hedging, I might add.)
The “loyal” Bushies have yet to do this – they haven’t demonstrated they know right from wrong in their over-zealous loyalty to Bush – except to demonize – and condemn – those that get caught.
In light of that, your preference for a “loyal” Bushie over a transformed person is mystifying?
As for the child, I don’t want to minimize in any way the damage done, but I have no doubt that the same Love that helps all of us ’see’ better – no matter who we are – is also the Love that heals all wounds.
Besides, imho, you are taking a very narrow view of the causes and conditions that bring these things about – there are family patterns that get passed down through generations – not consciously acquired – but relentlessly conditioned into spoken and unspoken behaviors until they become taken for granted like familiar wallpaper.
To see generational passing of behaviors in action – check this book out – “I don’t want to talk about it” by Terrance Real
“Hidden male depression is the focus of this clear, compelling book by a Massachusetts family psychotherapist who specializes in working with dysfunctional men. Because our culture socializes boys to mask feelings of vulnerability, he says, they bury deep within themselves damaging childhood trauma and its ensuing depressive effects when they become men. This strongly reasoned study starts out with an illustration of the “toxic legacy” that is passed, often for generations, from father to son, with each chapter adding another piece to the complex face.”
http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0…..d_i=507846
PS – The successful treatment of depression is one of the great success stories of modern therapy – healing is happening. Please, don’t give up on the child.
Ho, humm. I’ve been asleep since the 80’s, but when I woke up, the same thing was on c-span:
http://www.weht.net/WEHT/Fawn_Hall.html
can the DoJ now be sued for discriminatory hiring practices?
Remember Dick Cheney’s little intelligence “chop shop” he created? The one he used to circumvent the career analysts in our intelligence services to lie us into a war in Iraq?
Now, apply this to everything we’ve heard has been illegally happening at the Justice Department…as well as all other departments.
I seem to recollect a biblical phrase: “By their fruits you will know them.”
Bush, Cheney, Rove and Miers are definitely behind the widespread evil and lawlessness permeating our federal government.
AZ Matt @ 72
I vote yea.
Of course, in a strangely masochistic way she’d probably love it. Being martyred and all, she’d be an icon for all Regent U. lawyer grad Republicans for the future.
First in her class(!)…to be indicted and lose her law license!
AJ @ 160
Excellent questions!
I’d suggest going after Ms. Doan and getting her to point a finger or two toward someone in the WH and then turning our attention to some lesser figures, such as Mr. Jennings, in the WH.
Let the leads from DOJ and GSA, and any other agencies of interest, lead to individuals and projects within the WH.
Even if you only get to people like Mr. Jennings in the WH, that will quickly lead on to others like Harriet Miers and KKKarl Rove.
OT from other OT:
Again, radiofreewill, the child never gets paroled from something forced upon him/her.
Sex offenders have a low rate of “transformation”, or rehabilitation. Not my own conclusion.
I don’t think the victim really cares about the perp’s “generational patterns”.
What’s restorative there?
Its a low bar set given either choice.
When you believe one of your purposes in life is to save “snowflake babies” then you can justify about anything in your mind.
Thank you, Milan, for this civil discussion of what can be a very emotional topic for many.
It’s generally accepted that those who abuse were most likely themselves abused growing-up – hence the generational pattern of a wounded victim later wounding others, very often in the same way as he was – which is why a victim should care about “generational patterns.”
So, it’s entirely possible – if not probable – that someone who was [spanked, emotionally intimidated, molested, slapped, humiliated, beaten, etc] will act out the very same behaviors with the roles reversed and wound the next victim down the line.
The problem isn’t that people who commit these acts are inherently bad – just the opposite – they are each inherently good just like all of us. The problem, instead, is that they have been subjected to an incredibly powerful conditioning experience that society tells them should fill them with shame and a sense of personal weakness.
It’s the festering of the un-healed wound that practically guarantees the future wounding.
Whether the wound-er or the wound-ee, they are all suffering in a vicious cycle. The key to healing is breaking the wounded-victim-wounding cycle through honest self assesment, love and understanding, imvho.
My hat’s off to the poster for putting it right on the table and speaking to it bravely from a position of personal responsibility – he said he was wrong and paid his debt to society, showed understanding, and felt compassion for the victim and his family – like I said, he’s healthier imo than a loyal Bushie who can’t distinguish right from wrong when challenged for loyalty.
I say that a victim of abuse is not well-served by his support group if their expectation is that he will always carry scars – the no parole sentence from ‘friends’ – how ironic. I would challenge you to take a different look at the problem and, instead, view it this way:
The child/person’s basic goodness is in there beating away in his heart, but it’s not as accessible to him as it could be due to strong, traumatic conditioning.
Analogy: If a miner is trapped below, you would do everything you could to get him out, right? Staying angry at the guy responsible for the cave-in isn’t going to help the miner. Connect with the miner, however, and get him oxygen (Love), and together you can be re-united.
But, you gotta believe in full healing – for everyone – or you won’t really try and all you’ll be left with is a lifetime of anger and frustration.
One day you may see the poster’s successful reclamation of his integrity as actually reason to celebrate for all – he broke the same cycle that everyone else – wound-er and wound-ee – has to break. If he can do it…
Wow radiofree-
I’m saying my mantra right now.
Headed to the ashram tomorrow.
Ommmmmmmm.
Milan River and radiofreewill I’d like to thank you both for offering your views on my comments. I did notice that you, Milan River did not address me directly. I know my history of being a sex-offender makes some people uncomfortable and I accept that.
I know you were left to assume a significant amount about what I actually did. When people know I was sentenced to a 5 to life term they usually assume some violent/coercive kidnapping or rape. I don’t want to minimize the serious of my act but it was not violent act.
I don’t talk about my the actual facts about what I did in my offense unless people ask. People sometimes assume the worse of me due to my Life sentence but sentencing in this country has a wide range from state to state. In my birth state my charge would have been a misdemeanor, in Utah, at that time under a new law, it was a 1st degree felony. (The law has been repealed). You can draw your own conclusions from that but no one, with the exception of the prosecutor wanted me jailed at all. Not the victim or his family (which is not uncommon under like circumstances), nor the state appointed therapist who evaluated me and agreed with my private therapist, nor the probation officer who prepared my pre-sentencing report. They all signed off on a diversion program but the judge’s hands were tied because of the law.
People often bring their *own* experiences to such discussions. As a result both victims and offenders have to deal with what is often the aggregate societal (and even political) view of what their own personal circumstances *should* be based as much or more on assumption or flat out myth rather than the reality of the actual circumstances. I think that’s true of much political discussion and media discourse today.
Sex abuse is a serious problem and one has to wonder if sensationalism in the media and political opportunism resulting in increasingly stiffer penalties for offenders and reporting, housing restrictions and requirements for ex-offenders are really helping facilitate restorative justice for victims. Or is it just a convenient and virtually foolproof effective way for a politician to enhance their public safety bonafides? Some offenders are living under a bridge for chrissake. How safe can that be?
As for restorative justice in my case. When he was twenty, Ryan and I took a long walk together, alone. I looked into his eyes and apologized for what I did and for what he had to endure because of it and he looked into my eyes and told me he had forgiven me long ago. For me, that talk we had is holding up pretty well.