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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/immigration-is-a-symptom-not-a-problem/#comment-718360</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 17:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-716605&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 26&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Can you just imagine “A Day Without a Mexican”?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excellent movie. I highly recommend it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Can you just imagine “A Day Without a Mexican”?</p>
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<p>Excellent movie. I highly recommend it.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/immigration-is-a-symptom-not-a-problem/#comment-718353</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 17:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-716569&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ferg @ 6&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’ll admit to having supported NAFTA, on the belief that it would improve the Mexican economy enough so illegal immigration would drop to a non-issue like with Canada.  Living in California, that just made sense to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It turned out, of course, that NAFTA didn’t even end up helping the Mexican economy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Republican DLC-Dem policies, what did you expect?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What was the effect you saw? Was there no good that came from it at all? Did only the Rich benefit at everyone else’s expense?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Surprise me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-716569"><em>ferg @ 6</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I’ll admit to having supported NAFTA, on the belief that it would improve the Mexican economy enough so illegal immigration would drop to a non-issue like with Canada.  Living in California, that just made sense to me.</p>
<p>It turned out, of course, that NAFTA didn’t even end up helping the Mexican economy.</p>
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<p>Republican DLC-Dem policies, what did you expect?</p>
<p>What was the effect you saw? Was there no good that came from it at all? Did only the Rich benefit at everyone else’s expense?</p>
<p>Surprise me.</p>
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		<title>By: sona</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/immigration-is-a-symptom-not-a-problem/#comment-717793</link>
		<dc:creator>sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 13:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;k… that last post was out of sheer exasperation…. migration to improve one’s or one’s children’s chances in life can never be eradicated as long as economic disparities across national borders remain a reality and we remain humans.  Would it not be cheaper and more productive to boot to invest in the Mexican economy?  Or even to disenfranchise Monsanto and et al from destroying the rural infrastructure of other countries that compels the impoverished to seek survival at whatever cost?  Lets face it, building an even higher prison population of  non criminals and border fences are hardly productive uses of taxpayer dollars - so what are you fighting for?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>k… that last post was out of sheer exasperation…. migration to improve one’s or one’s children’s chances in life can never be eradicated as long as economic disparities across national borders remain a reality and we remain humans.  Would it not be cheaper and more productive to boot to invest in the Mexican economy?  Or even to disenfranchise Monsanto and et al from destroying the rural infrastructure of other countries that compels the impoverished to seek survival at whatever cost?  Lets face it, building an even higher prison population of  non criminals and border fences are hardly productive uses of taxpayer dollars &#8211; so what are you fighting for?</p>
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		<title>By: sona</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/immigration-is-a-symptom-not-a-problem/#comment-717720</link>
		<dc:creator>sona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 12:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;so when are you forming a third option to the bipartisan monopsony (not sure its a real word) of military occupation of countries where you never had any business to go into and destroy that actually believes in rebuilding civic society?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so when are you forming a third option to the bipartisan monopsony (not sure its a real word) of military occupation of countries where you never had any business to go into and destroy that actually believes in rebuilding civic society?</p>
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		<title>By: pitman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/immigration-is-a-symptom-not-a-problem/#comment-717675</link>
		<dc:creator>pitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 10:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is totally insulting and I resent it as a Roman Catholic. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s your problem lady - I never could figure out who could belong to this fascist organization that has hid child molestors for over 2000 years - ask Cardinal Law who was promoted by the Pope after hiding some of these modern day molestors. The church just lost its first case in Jersey where I think a Deacon was screwing little kids - you must be a proud Catholic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is totally insulting and I resent it as a Roman Catholic. </p>
<p>That’s your problem lady &#8211; I never could figure out who could belong to this fascist organization that has hid child molestors for over 2000 years &#8211; ask Cardinal Law who was promoted by the Pope after hiding some of these modern day molestors. The church just lost its first case in Jersey where I think a Deacon was screwing little kids &#8211; you must be a proud Catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: Pradeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pradeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 06:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Every one talks about Illegal immigration but for legal immigrants there is no voice. I came to US in 97 when after finishing my under grad. I always wanted to come here. (my mom used to tell me that I used to say when I grow big I want to go to US of A when I was in middle school. I started preparing for GRE even before I got out of school). Some sheer luck (getting student’s visa in 97 was pure luck)I got here finished my MS. I got job (the h-1 that everyone talks about) with H-1 you cannot move to a different employer and you cannot get a big promotion and you basically keep working more and getting paid the same salary. I got married (wife cannot work, even though she is University topper and Gold medalist in her field). I got very good offers from different&lt;br /&gt;
companies but I cannot move as I am stuck with the employer (I have to get my Green Card). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I always used to have very high regard for this country and believe me I still do but now with this new bill I may have to wait around 13 to 4 5 years to get my green card. I believe this country has failed everyone who believed in it like me. Now I don’t have any regrets before I used to contemplate going back to my country but now. I am going to make some more money (I already invested back home which I would have put here in a house and it grew twice) and with out any regrets I will say bye forever to this country which I desperately wanted to make home.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4684&quot;&gt;http://immigrationvoice.org/fo.....php?t=4684&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every one talks about Illegal immigration but for legal immigrants there is no voice. I came to US in 97 when after finishing my under grad. I always wanted to come here. (my mom used to tell me that I used to say when I grow big I want to go to US of A when I was in middle school. I started preparing for GRE even before I got out of school). Some sheer luck (getting student’s visa in 97 was pure luck)I got here finished my MS. I got job (the h-1 that everyone talks about) with H-1 you cannot move to a different employer and you cannot get a big promotion and you basically keep working more and getting paid the same salary. I got married (wife cannot work, even though she is University topper and Gold medalist in her field). I got very good offers from different<br />
companies but I cannot move as I am stuck with the employer (I have to get my Green Card). </p>
<p>I always used to have very high regard for this country and believe me I still do but now with this new bill I may have to wait around 13 to 4 5 years to get my green card. I believe this country has failed everyone who believed in it like me. Now I don’t have any regrets before I used to contemplate going back to my country but now. I am going to make some more money (I already invested back home which I would have put here in a house and it grew twice) and with out any regrets I will say bye forever to this country which I desperately wanted to make home.<br />
<a href="http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4684">http://immigrationvoice.org/fo&#8230;..php?t=4684</a></p>
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		<title>By: theexog</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/immigration-is-a-symptom-not-a-problem/#comment-717296</link>
		<dc:creator>theexog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 04:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Firstly I am appalled that Tester voted for this piece of crap. Folks here in Helena MT are really wondering what our wonder boy is doing out there in DC…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And as a Canadian I understand why some Canucks want to come to the US - they think that the wide open capitalist system will allow them to make the megabucks that they are denied back home.  Doesn’t really happen - I live here because my husband is American, and there is many a day I would like to be back in BC.  Whatever.  But there are just as many Americans who want to move to Canada - a country with a social conscience, and just as difficult to get into LOL&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reality in this country is that manufacturers and processors need cheap labor.  Do any of YOU want to work in the chicken processing plant?  Not likely.  But some dude from Guerrero in Mexico, who was living in a palapa with a dirt floor, cooking in said palapa over wood scrounged from the surrounding scrub, with absolutely no way of making any money, would be prepared to scrape his way across the border with just the clothes on his back and find his way to some dreadfully dangerous job which pays like $4 an hour.  We simply have no idea of how desperate these folks are.  I lived in Mexico for a year, and understand their plight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This immigration bill is a piece of shit.  Guest worker program = get them in here to work for nothing, and don’t let them have their families with them.  This is slavery in the 21st century, and all that crap Bush spews about “helping” immigrants is nothing more than helping his corporate buddies get cheap labor with the worst working conditions imaginable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Any more we only eat meat raised and processed in Montana.  I wouldn’t eat chicken from Safeway if my life depended on it - which it probably would.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These poor people from south of the border who think they are lucky to have a job are being exploited just like the slaves were when the country was in its infancy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly I am appalled that Tester voted for this piece of crap. Folks here in Helena MT are really wondering what our wonder boy is doing out there in DC…</p>
<p>And as a Canadian I understand why some Canucks want to come to the US &#8211; they think that the wide open capitalist system will allow them to make the megabucks that they are denied back home.  Doesn’t really happen &#8211; I live here because my husband is American, and there is many a day I would like to be back in BC.  Whatever.  But there are just as many Americans who want to move to Canada &#8211; a country with a social conscience, and just as difficult to get into LOL</p>
<p>The reality in this country is that manufacturers and processors need cheap labor.  Do any of YOU want to work in the chicken processing plant?  Not likely.  But some dude from Guerrero in Mexico, who was living in a palapa with a dirt floor, cooking in said palapa over wood scrounged from the surrounding scrub, with absolutely no way of making any money, would be prepared to scrape his way across the border with just the clothes on his back and find his way to some dreadfully dangerous job which pays like $4 an hour.  We simply have no idea of how desperate these folks are.  I lived in Mexico for a year, and understand their plight.</p>
<p>This immigration bill is a piece of shit.  Guest worker program = get them in here to work for nothing, and don’t let them have their families with them.  This is slavery in the 21st century, and all that crap Bush spews about “helping” immigrants is nothing more than helping his corporate buddies get cheap labor with the worst working conditions imaginable.</p>
<p>Any more we only eat meat raised and processed in Montana.  I wouldn’t eat chicken from Safeway if my life depended on it &#8211; which it probably would.</p>
<p>These poor people from south of the border who think they are lucky to have a job are being exploited just like the slaves were when the country was in its infancy.</p>
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		<title>By: caarthur</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/immigration-is-a-symptom-not-a-problem/#comment-717207</link>
		<dc:creator>caarthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 04:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dang it, ikl3, beat me to it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang it, ikl3, beat me to it.</p>
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		<title>By: ikl3</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/immigration-is-a-symptom-not-a-problem/#comment-716860</link>
		<dc:creator>ikl3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 02:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Franklin Pierce was the incumbent in 1856 and he didn’t run again after the Democrats declined to renominate him.  Millard Filmore ran as a Know-Nothing, but he was a former President, not the incumbent at the time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franklin Pierce was the incumbent in 1856 and he didn’t run again after the Democrats declined to renominate him.  Millard Filmore ran as a Know-Nothing, but he was a former President, not the incumbent at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/immigration-is-a-symptom-not-a-problem/#comment-716836</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 02:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-716814&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;pitman @ 130&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Screw immigration and the fascist Catholic church that comes with it. They have already coalesced with the Evangelicals and Fundamentalists and with that union they’ll be knocking on your door to see if you’ve read your bible today, or to borrow one of your kids for excercise.&lt;br /&gt;
pitman &#124; 05.24.07 - 8:40 pm &#124; #&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is totally insulting and I resent it as a Roman Catholic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-716814"><em>pitman @ 130</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Screw immigration and the fascist Catholic church that comes with it. They have already coalesced with the Evangelicals and Fundamentalists and with that union they’ll be knocking on your door to see if you’ve read your bible today, or to borrow one of your kids for excercise.<br />
pitman | 05.24.07 &#8211; 8:40 pm | #</p>
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<p>That is totally insulting and I resent it as a Roman Catholic.</p>
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