It looks as though Hillary Clinton really is the leader of my party.

Vichy collaborator I’d say.

Leadership isn’t quite the same thing.

Adie @ 41

hm-m-m-m interesting typo, next to last word…. want to talk about that?

ermmm… I missed that one. I’ve got a therapist anyway and believe me, he has all he can handle.. heh heh…

sorry to poke & run… we luvs e/o here, & tries to share the toobz, but it gets awkward on days like this.

hope u took that in all good fun – just too much to resist. i = ethologist by training, & ’self-therapize’ w/ mixed success – what could be crazier than that?!

Been enjoying your comments…. ;->

I wish I had a big truck to carry a big load of horseshit(the stuff those roses grow in)up to DC,I know just where I’d dump it.

I think we can all agree there’s already too much there as it is.

If they could export the stuff for a profit now…

We are going to see our military speaking out like never before. It’s already started. They KNOW that the reason they are still in Iraq has nothing to do with making us safer, or trying to “help” the Iraqis, but instead is all about covering…make that TRYING to cover…george bush and the republican’s asses, until they can get out of town and dump the whole shittaree in someone else’s lap, OR until the democrats get stupid and panicky enough to bail them out and put THEIR asses in the political meat-grinder, by forcing unilateral troop withdrawals which will trigger the last implosion, and let bush and the GOP off the hook for the end results of their bloody petro-posse.

I understand your outrage; have shared it, and ranted about it, for, lo, these years.

But I ask that we think. There is simply not going to be a “good” ending for america in Iraq. In fact, it will probably be downright horrific, whether our troops are withdrawn in 12 weeks or 12 months.

As of right now, the political “dues” for that will have to be paid by bush and the republicans. If the democrats start singlehandedly forcing troop withdrawals, instead of waiting for the pressure that is UNDENIABLY building from our military, and from Wall St., and from the voters, and from republicans, themselves, to kick in, and making the GOP deal with it, it will be ollie-ollie-in-free for the very people who did this to us.

And at the exact time they exult at being rescued, they will flay the hide off us, for doing it.

And make political hay, HUGE hay, as they flay.

That’s why they taunt us, and say:

“Why DON’T you go ahead and force some withdrawals. We’ll watch and see how it goes. It’ll be great to have the people who’ve been pointing out OUR fuckups, making one, gigantic, fuckup, by triggering the last act of the misery-opera that WE created…

BTW, thanks for letting us get off defense; we were getting our asses kicked with that 28% approval. Now, things will get LOTS better. Ciao, suckers!”

John, I ask you to think, and post, what you think will happen when out troops leave; no matter WHO engineers their leaving.

And then, if you’ve been honest and informed about events in Iraq, ask yourself if you think the american voters will accept those results from the people who triggered them, with equanimity and wise restraint.

I think it’s fair, and very necessary, to ask that.

Thanks, TB.

John in Sacto; what is magical about it, is that a lot of the american military who already know that this is a lost cause, and who are starting to mutter that under their breaths, will be speaking it louder, and more OF them will be speaking it, too.

Same thing with republican congresspeople.

This IS bush’s last hurrah. Even the “base” is starting to shit green nickels.

When september gets here, if bush tries to pack more troops in, to use them to try to put Iraq into lockdown to cover his ass until 2008, the next group of republicans going over to shit on his desk will look like a SWAT team.

I respectfully disagree.

Everyone’s got opinions and assholes and I am the latter.

These pathetic p.o.s’s have taken their 20 pieces of silver and thumbed their nose at us peons who they could care less about. I really want to know why the F**K they think we should give them our hard earned money, time and most importantly our vote when they will betray us on the most important issue of the last 50 years?

I wanna know why they think we are so fuc*king obtuse to think that we will accept their republican talking point frames?

I wanna know why the hell they think doing the same thing over and over again is not the diagnosis of insanity?

I wanna know how the shrub’s military plan is going to work now as opposed to the last 4 years?

I wanna know why the Iraqi’s that hate us now are going to start giving us flowers and chocolates now?

I wanna know why the “experts” think that independents (decline to state) will be so overwhelmed by the ineptitude and inutile actions of the “leadership” that they will be persuaded and cajoled into giving them their vote?

I personally (this is my asshole part) think that the independents will be appalled and dismayed by the capitulation and docile submissive acquiescence. (But what do I know. I’m an asshole)

The clerk must have numbered these rollcalls backwards. Pelosi voted NO on 425 (280-142) and YES on 424 (348-73) so I presume 425 is the warbill and 424 is the Katrina etc part of the bill.

TSF- agreed. I checked out some other names too. McNerny same as Pelosi 424/ 425 vote, same for some others.

They just announced the identification of the body of Pfc Joseph Anzack, jr., son of a Torrance family. He was one of the three missing soldiers they’ve been searching for, for more than a week.

My husband works for the city of Torrance, and this really hits home in a small town like that. Mr opie_jeanne has been off work for 6 weeks, recovering from surgery. I know this will be much talked about when he is back at work on Wednesday.

Just devastating.

Someone please tell me how to channel my seething anger at these people! I just want to spit. How can they look any American in the eye and say they represent us? How? How do we mobilize and demonstrate our bulk disappointment. Anyone? Buehler?

The truth is that 95% of them represent themselves first and foremost. They only represent you when it benefits them. It is up to the people to take to the streets and protest. Only when we make enough noise to scare them into fear of not be re-elected will they serve the will of the people.