JERRY LEWIS (R-CA) Is crowing that the Congress is finally sending a good bill to the president after being held hostage to the Out of Iraq Caucus. Shorter Republicrook: Boo!
LEWIS: Whining that Pelosi says she will vote against. Urges yes vote on Obey Amendment to fund troops, even though he thinks Obey will vote against. Urges voting against Obey's Katrina relief amendment.
DAVID SCOTT (D-GA): Urging yes vote on amendment to fund relief for families, it's not pork. But go ahead and vote for the supplemental war funding.
STEN HOYER (D-SATAN): This is the guy who allegedly brokered a backroom Blue Dog deal with the White House to surrender. This is the guy who went on television weeks ago to say that the Dems would capitulate to the President, undercutting Murtha's short leash proposal, before the original supplemental had even been passed. If there's a corrupt Democrat in need of serious reform, this is it. His district is in Maryland, not Alabama. Hoyer lying and saying this bill is good, and is not a "blank check" or "rubber stamp." He argues non-binding benchmarks are somehow okay because they president did not want them. Says the president would veto anything else and therefore they could do nothing else. Calls this accountability (Buy him a dictionary!). Blah blah blah.
HOYER: (it must be sports metaphor day) "We have moved the ball forward." We also have minimum wage other important stuff here, including Katrina relief. Yay.
5:31 PM EST
BILL YOUNG (R-FL): Murtha and I are friends, but we don't agree on everything. The troops win today. I'm a nice man. Vote for the occupation funding as is.
BARBARA LEE (D-CA): How many have to die before this congress stops writing blank checks? (Talking fast; she's pissed) Vote against this bill.
McCAUL (R-TX): War is good. Now we need other language to deal with flu pandemic outbreak. Must prepare now.
OBEY: Administration refused to allow pandemic flu funding, and since Bush is our Master, we could not do that, either.
LYNN WOOLSEY (D-CA): We were elected to hold administration accountable and we're failing then public, and failing the troops as well, and their families. Today is not an opportunity to declare victory. Today is day to grieve soldiers lost to this war and president.
LEWIS: Some question about the procedure on earmarks with under which supplemental appears before House. (Is there a parliamentarian in the house?).
OBEY: Responds. Not unusual procedure. Rules do not apply to amendments (what rules? LEWIS is on offense to label this bill as pork laden, it seems).
MURTHA (D-PA): Supporting the bill he and Bill Young worked out. We did everything we could to work this out. Did all we could do. I feel direction change in the air. Iraqis, administration. New political diplomatic effort. Meanwhile, we have to fund the troops. They will run out of money in the next few weeks. We have to do this. Goes over some of the elements in the bill. Equipment, family housing, support for military families. Other stuff, he's rattling this off. Money for Walter Reed, etc. Short ter problem to fund military for next four months. Longer term need to work on nurse shortage, doctor shortages (do you think if we stopped these kids from getting killed, we'd help their health?). By September we can judge where we are. (Sing it with me: See You In September). The situation in Iraq will not improve, but it's necessary to wait until September anyway. This is very painful, we're making progress, we have to take what we can get. I hope everyone votes for both bills.
5:45 PM EST
CHARLES BOUSTANY (R-LA): My state needs these additional funds. State department also urgently needs these funds to help promote reconciliation in Iraq.
CHRIS SHAYS (R-CT): We went into Iraq in bipartisan fashion, we need to get out the same way. I think the process needs to be bipartisan. Murtha claimed he's been right 100% of the time, it's not true. Let;s judge progress not on incidents over there, but now Anbar province is doing well. Progress! Sunni' like us! They don't want us to leave (maybe because we're on their side – Sunnis – in civil war?). If we don't succeed, it will be our own fault because we did not sustain support. Sunnis Shias and Kurds starting to talk to each other, it's like a 6th grade dance (never saw all that blood in my school, how bout you?). We have moral obligation to stick with them since we invaded.
MURTHA: Iraqi legislature on a two month vacation. So STFU. It's not getting better. Murtha getting enraged about soldier deaths. Says Shays is not looking at reality.
SHAYS: They won't take two months off. Will probably take less time than this Congress has taken.
ROY BLUNT (R-MO): It's about time we got this done. Could have been written three months ago. Since then, military has had to tighten belt. This bill needs to include benchmarks with consequences for Iraqis to step up, and we have that in this bil. Deadline for regional elections, or there are consequences (what, more Friedman units?). They must end sectarian violence, protect minority rights in politics (what else, win American Idol? Why not make some more shit up?). So we need to let the commanders in the field do what they need to do, our job is to give them that.
OBEY: Blunt was whip last year and took at least as long. He's calling kettle black. This is democracy. We don't have rubber stamp congress anymore (really?). The delay was not caused by congress, we were done already. President blocked funds when he vetoed the bill.
5:57 PM EST
OBEY: Want to thank staff members. It took a tremendous amount of work to do all this, their names never get out and they never get credit (hey, please give us their names!).
JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH): Glad we are finally here. Our military is fighting for our freedom and security. Put yourself in the shoes of men and women fighting in Iraq and around the world. What message have we sent them for 100+ days? We have undermined their efforts, their morale and sent wrong message to our allies and our enemies. No surrender dates or artificial deadlines. Generals have the support they need to win in Iraq (please define, winning in Iraq?). Winning is important to our country. We went to Iraq to get rid of a brutal dictator and eliminate WMD. They were shipped somewhere else (fantasyland!). We're succeeding. Al Qaeda has made Iraq central front o war with us. If we don;t fight them there, where do we draw the line? They will come to America (paging Eddie Murphy!).
BOEHNER: We have questioned these last 100 days if we should have gone. Too late for that. We need to support. The rest of this bill has 20 billion in spending, well meaning, but does not belong in this bill, does not belong to be put on backs of troops. I will have to vote no. I know there are differences in this chamber. (slowing down, it's Ted Wells tears! Give Scooter back!) When are we going to have the courage to defeat this enemy!?? Thank you for the commitment to get the job done today.
SPEAKER PELOSI (D-CA): We have opportunity to help Katrina victims, veterans, veterans families, raise minimum wage. We strengthen our country addressing health and wellbeing of neglected Americans.
PELOSI: These benchmarks do not meet needs of our troops because the benchmarks can be waived. It's a figleaf, a token. We should have a giant step forward into a new direction, not a small step. Needs timelines and consequences. I will not support it. Democrats want much better. This is a missed opportunity. President rejected our previous bill, doing even more for our troops and military. Troops are engaged in a civil war. The American people do not think we need to be in a civil war, but rather fighting terrorism, training Iraqis and protecting our diplomats. But combat in a civil war, we have lost thousands of Americans. Over 100,000 Iraqis at least. Huge cost to reputation and military readiness.
PELOSI: We need a different vision of our role in Middle East. Any strategy must begin with redeployment out of Iraq, according to retired generals. Must refocus on terrorism, and Afghanistan. We musty heed General Odom and other. Troops have performed excellently. They have made tremendous sacrifices. We honor veterans not just with words but actions. The defense authorization bill we endorse give the troops and their families what they need, benefits. President said this increase was unnecessary. The White House says $40 per month for survivors of lost troops unnecessary, but the families say it's not nearly enough.
PELOSI: We make our veterans a priority, put real actions and support behind veterans and the VA. In our spending priorities, even with paygo, we put veterans in the top of the list. This is not about whether we support our troops. Of course we do. But it is about opposing this war. We have to put this bill to the floor so we can go forward, but the debate will continue, and we will have other bills to debate. We will have legislation to repeal the president's authority to go to war in Iraq. Defense Appropriation bill as well.
PELOSI: I come here today sad we have missed an opportunity. American people 70% want accountability, but we only make a gesture. We could have taken a giant step in a new direction, but instead, a baby step. Quote Hannah Arendt on flywheel of violence. President is sewing more violence. However you vote, please listen to American people and bring this war to an end.
6:18 PM EST DEBATE ENDS. QUORUM CALL.
Occupation Funding Bill Passes.
Additional funding amendment passes. (links to roll call of votes h/t TeddySanFran. The Clerk messed up and reversed the roll calls, it seems. The numbers aren't right, but I'll leave them as is because if the clerk makes a correction, they may get reversed on me again. Oy!)
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anti zed ; )
You know, we should have known everything we need to know about Obey when he told that activist to F*uck off and leave him alone in the hall. Everyone was like, “Cut him some slack! He’s just trying to do his job!”
And this is the job he’s doing.
Je l’ecrase.
House of Horrors, indeed!
See ya’ll in a couple weeks.
Hi Pach!
Trex — Why not “J’accuse!”
RevDeb @ 7
Thanks! That was a big DUH but not unusual for the type of day I’m having.
Dee @ 6
They are in the Senate. This is the House vote
Fuck YOU Hoyer! And the horse ya rode in on…
Asswipe!
Dee @ 6
This is the House vote — Obama and Clinton are Senators.
dang you Pach!
i was just tryin’ for the zed 2 sec ago…
Hope you’re doing o.k.
Whut does a professional psych. do when ‘e just wants to SMACK somebody?!
jus’ don’t hurt yer hand. okay? ;->
histoplasmosis, h5n1, bird tuberculosis, salmonella
a girl’s gotta dream.
Rev Deb – SNAP!
It’s a victory, doncha know. The Blue Dogs have found a way to make sure the Democrats are never called ‘weak on defense’ by th GOP ever again. Just ask Donna Brazille.
When this thing passes we should find a nice way to thank them.
I’m thinking roses.
Ya know we’re in trouble when a redubyacan is “commending the leadership on both sides.”
dakine01 @ 8
don’t blame the horse…
J’accuse!! go get em rep barbara lee!!!
Barbara Lee up
boggles my mind,boggles my mind that congress wants to give him another blank check … how many will have to die
Faut pter dans l’eau pour faire des bulles
I do like it, though, when I look over at the teevee and see a minority woman, and briefly wonder “Is she ours or theirs?” But then I realize they got none.
smapdi @ 11
I’m alive because they discovered a treatment for histoplasmosis about ten years before I came down with it at age seven. I’m now fifteen days from the double nickle and STILL have a hacking cough.
well said rep lee…
Where do they buy their plastic hair, these GOPers?
jane hamsher @ 13
make sure they’re American Beauties
TeddySanFran @ 22
Same place they get the plastic people…
jane hamsher @ 13
I volunteer to hold Steny while you insert the roses.
jane hamsher @ 13
Dead ones with LOTS of thorns
Barbara Lee is my rep., and I’m sure she’s representin’ well.
CNN reporting that the US is supplying weapons to the Lebanese army.
I kinda get the feeling that Bush and Cheney are in love with killing people in that region.
Lesse….Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen…now Lebanon.
-GSD
dakine01 – egads!
TeddySanFran @ 22
they share. note the ones who never appear in front of the cameras at the same time.
Obey acting like this is a real debate, yielding himself time to reply to their “charges” about the “pork”
Je n’y crois pas ces conneries!
Adie @ 10
You do a mindfulness exercise, breath, relax, go to your quite place.
;)
Elliott @ 23
i’m thinking thorns
This is like watching a person walk across the street into the path of an oncoming bus.
You keep yelling “don’t do it, don’t do it. Don’t you know you’re about to kill yourself.’
But the person is deaf and blind and just keeps walking across the street.
GSD – well, since Hersh reported that we shipped weapons earlier to Fatah al Islam, they just want to level the playing field
We had Rubber Stamp Republicans.
now we have… Stabber Rump Democrats.
Woolsey up, talking about why Dems were elected.
Lynn Woolsey …
“today is an opportunity to grieve for the soldiers who have died for this president … vote no”
lynn Woolsey “we’re failing the trust they put in us.”
noen @ 33
hm-m-m-m interesting typo, next to last word…. want to talk about that?
This was a BLACK day. Those who voted to knuckle under to the Knuckle-Dragger In Chief will pay — hopefully with their seats.
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GSD @ 28
The neocon objective for the middle east has always been Armageddon. Praise the Lord and hope for the rapture.
jane hamsher @ 13
Oh, do let me deliver them.
[looking for my flamethrower…]
smapdi @ 29
Tell me about it! I followed up with a cousin a few years ago who’s a doctor for confirmation. His father was the doctor who treated me and told me that there was no treatment up until the late forties. I was seven when got it in late 50s. I said ten in first post but was second grade. Didn’t know how sick I was. Many folks in Ohio Valley area have mild cases but mine was the bad kind. If I’d been born much earlier, I would just have been another case of “consumption.”
Hoyer. Wow. This is his deal, he can wear it around his kneck.
The president didn’t like Iraqi benchmarks? I think actually he did, he just wanted the right to ignore them, which Hoyer gave him.
THEh ANSWER IS — the House member you’d pick last to be on your team in a shit kicking contest.
Could I have Steny Hoyer for five hundred, Alex?
Murtha!
Adie @ 41
ermmm… I missed that one. I’ve got a therapist anyway and believe me, he has all he can handle.. heh heh…
Murtha – in the meantime we have to fund the troops, they’ll run out in the next few weeks, we send our staff all the time to find out when that will be but we need to fund our troops
gotta love those R talking points just spilling out
Yup, we’re on the “glide path” Mitch McConnell confidently announced we were on (to this $100 billion of new taxpayer debt for more corporate war-profiteering) last Thursday, even before Bush’s minions rejected – to Harry Reid’s face – Carl Levin’s waivable-occupation-ending-date proffer last Friday.
But unanimous consent request objections in the Senate (by just one senator) still hold enough leverage and power to cause the brakes to fail, and at least cause an aborted landing and a circular holding pattern…
Murtha is auguring. Smelling the breeze, watching the bird-flight patterns.
Hear Hoyer spewing the victory crap last night on Keith.
He had trouble convincing himself much less anyone listening.
I would love to play poker with these guys, you could win with any hand, just bet big and they fold.
janehamsher@46
hehehehehe good one
Turkey is teeing up for a swing at the Kurdish PKK who seem to have been killing Turkish troops quite a bit as of late.
Enter the Turks?
My, but won’t the rivers be flowing with blood for the summer.
-GSD
From TPM. In the WH, May 27, 1964:
Johnson: And we just got to think about it. I’m looking at this Sergeant of mine this morning and he’s got 6 little old kids over there, and he’s getting out my things, and bringing me in my night reading, and all that kind of stuff, and I just thought about ordering all those kids in there. And what in the hell am I ordering them out there for? What in the hell is Vietnam worth to me? What is Laos worth to me? What is it worth to this country? We’ve got a treaty but hell, everybody else has got a treaty out there, and they’re not doing a thing about it.
Bundy: Yeah, yeah.
Johnson: Of course, if you start running from the Communists, they may just chase you right into your own kitchen.
Bundy: Yeah, that’s the trouble. And that is what the rest of that half of the world is going to think if this thing comes apart on us. That’s the dilemma, that’s exactly the dilemma.
is murtha trying to cover his ass on this one?
I can’t watch anymore. Murtha is standing there depressing the hell out of me. And I ain’t got much depression left…
Adie @ 34
believe me, they’ve got’em. big fat ones.
So, does this mean if you include enough bright shiny objects to decorate a Christmas tree, you can distract enough attention to make people ignore the stink bugs in the middle?
Looks like a Trojan Horse, to me.
Bob in HI
Murtha – september, september, september … oil production will not be up to pre-war levels
gosh, what a great measure of success
dakine01 @ 56
I find anger is a nice counter to depression. Get mad and change things.
So what is Hoyer’s deal? Does someone own him or is he just stupid?
WTF Hoyer?
You been hangin around with Short ride too much.
If the democrats trigger troop withdrawals by themselves, with the events that follow in Iraq, Mr. 30% could move to Mr. 55% rather quickly.
Greetings to all my beautiful and intelligent friends at FDL!! (got that on Randi Rhodes just now). Is there any time left? They haven’t voted yet have they? Gasp, I HATE THIS WAR!! Don’t you?
Even the Democrats I most admire, like Murtha, speak so ill of the Iraqis — as if they are to blame for their broken country.
Can’t take it any more. Going out.
later all.
Rayne @ 44
Rayne, you’ve got to keep that handy at all times!
Please Mr Shays. Tell us what you FEEL.
TeddySanFran @ 66
Let’s put one thing to rest for once and for all: Murtha’s a pig…
he may be ‘OUR’ pig, but he’s a pig nonetheless…
I despise Chris Shays — white hot. Speaking as if he knows Sunni and Shia
The GorillasGuides team have attended 23 funerals this week alone …
that’s what these creeps are voting for …
Nothing has changed since November. I haven’t been this depressed in ages. I’m just at a loss as to what can be done to make them listen to us.
dakine01 @ 56
Yeah, Murtha was the one who did it for me too. It’s easier to keep myself from hurling the laptop across the room when I read the comments here than when I actually have to watch some of these bozos.
Shays comparing Iraq to a sixth grade dance.
You can’t make this shit up. No one would believe it.
The Stuart Smalley of the right.
uhhhh they’ve had many chances – after all they’re taking a 2 month vacation………….
TeddySanFran @ 65
That’s part of why I’m not watching the debate. My son turns 18 today. This war started before my son was one, when April Glaspie told Saddam she’d been given assurances from the highest levels of the US government that the dispute between Iraq and Kuwait wasn’t a concern in Washington.
Since then we’ve killed between 1.5 and 2 million Iraqis, injured even more, and displaced over 2 million. Oh, yeah – destroyed their country for generations too. Why don’t they love us, eh?
F*** Jerry Lewis, too! If Carol Lam were still in office, he’d be next door cellmated to the Dukester right about now.
The romans were lucky, they didn’t get to watch their civilization crumble before their eye’s in real time.
Shays!!!! How about a moral obligation to rebuild the Katrina damage!!
Murtha just popped his cork at Shays!!!!
Murtha fussing because our puppets are going to take a vacation …
Murtha loves to yell about the losses but refuses to see the reality of what he is doing with this vote
Murtha trying for his YouTube moment by yelling about the two-month vacation of the Iraqi Parliament.
Um, Jack — we know THIS bill is all about YOUR vacation….
its getting nasty nowwwwwwww hoo boy
1,5526 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Pachacutec and the Firepup Patriots:
Why are we wastin’ time on this…the war must come home to the streets and to every capitol in every state and right up the steps of the Congressional office building. The battle here is not for funding the Iraq War supplemental, the battle here is for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. Reid and Pelosi need millions in the street marchin on the offices of DEMOCRATS in congress…Steny Whoreyr and Rahm Emmanuel have gotta be exposed and isolated. This war is not gunna end unless there is direct action to force congress to act.
And I am thru votin’ for Democrats jest because they carry the label…time to make a vote for the Iraq War a death sentence for any candidate for office anywhere in the United States. And as for David Obey…he broke my God damned heart!
Direct action organized thru non-governmental political movements like MoveOn with state-by-state cadres organizin’ local grass roots actions. Let’s make this a long hot summer for the bastards…in order to end the war in Iraq we gotta bring it into the living room of every Quisling Democratic politician. We have a chance to do it right this time…the people need to be heard !
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE ENEMY IS NOT HARD TO FIND!!
Blunt really does have the same hair as that earlier GOPer.
Bustednuckles @ 80
If it’s any consolation, they knew without the c-span.
Murtha yelling…
Siun @ 60
You know, I wanna know what the fuck they think that is so magical about September?
Especially since they’ll have to “support” even more troops
Fucking assholes
TeddySanFran @ 87
he’s aptly named
Oh, shut up, Murtha, Mr. Supreme Supporter of the Troops who is about to give President Poopypants permission to kill more them.
I wonder how much this is costing the people funding all this corruption. I mean how much IS Saudi Arabia, China, Russia, Rev. Moon et al pouring into these critters bank accounts ?
Itz all about The Art of The Sellout.
“No place is so strongly fortified that money could not capture it.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero
It’s sooooo easy to legislate what the Iraqis have to do.
The magic of september is that it’s where the current Friendman unite resides. Then when spetember comes…POOF…it will magically be march.
john in sacramento @ 86
Teddy – yep, esp when what the Iraqis have to do is hand us the keys to their oilwells.
Obey: “considerable ill grace” for making fun of Dems taking 110 days when the GOP took that long.
Now he sez we don’t have a Rubber Stamp Congress anymore. Coulda fooled me.
Obey – we don’t have a rubber stamp congress any more.
Can we please, please send that man his very own rubber stamp?
Roy Blunt is a blunt instrument.
Otherwise known as a tool.
You know I read your comments exactly as Obey started his time. I thought you were a friggin mind reader until I realized I accidentally had it on a time delay. :)
TeddySanFran @ 93
Rep. Lewis makes my skin crawl.
I still have extra rubber stamps from our project. A few.
You know what — somebody should go out to those bloody oil wells and blow them up.
If there’s no oil, there’s nothing left to fight over, and then we’ll have to find alternate sources of energy.
I’m so angry I can’t see straight. Time for me to leave work, and have a drink…
troqua @ 73
i made no friends by cautioning against overly optimistic expectations in the euphoric aftermath of the ‘victory’ by the Dems last fall.
i rewrapped my tin-foil hate and suspected that the Pukes mightn’ta fought as hard, mightnt’a brought out all the cheating tricks, in order to tar the Dems with the Iraqi ICORP, to implicate them in the failure, to make them ‘own’ the “loss” of Iraq…
now it’s happening, just like dat.
the dems are entrapped by their powerlessness, even though it LOOKS like they’re exercising power…the hearings–where they look like their in charge–paradoxically exaggerate their policy-making weakness.
boy am I surpised…
Obey thanking the Committee staff, and the Senate who worked with him. Took lotsa work, never get their names and pix in the paper.
Dang. Don’t those Repubs look like something out of the Madame Tussaux Wax Museum? What is up with that?
Boner
Mutant Poodle @ 68
[looking for my flamethrower…]
Rayne, you’ve got to keep that handy at all times!
Still waiting for DARPA to develop a purse-sized version, just for these occasions.
Maybe they could develop one for my golf bag or briefcase first.
ok, Boehner makes my skin crawl more.
LS, #102,
YES!
That’s a man who understands the power of a good tan.
Boner’s been drinking.
Hey Boner, put yourself in the shoes of the troops! Prick.
erik28com @ 108
that pink tie sets it off nicely
Rep. John Boehner has a boehner for the war.
Pachacutec @ 100
Call Debbie Wasserman Schultz and see if she’d be willing to hand ‘em out to her colleagues on the House floor. She only had to bring one last time. But, wait, she’s voting for the funding, I’d bet.
It’s a sign of how meaningless and powerless this bill is when both sides take the opportunity to make petty accusations about wasting time, breaking rules, etc.
This goes for both sides of the aisle.
Boner “winning in Iraq is important for our country”
got lost in epu land. here’s the roll call vote on the rule earlier today(thank you, LaFourmiRouge)
seven dems voted against the rule. 7. that’s it. here they are:
dems not voting:
this is much worse than i expected. my rep, mcgovern, voted yes on the rule.
… any dem who votes against the resolution tonight, but didn’t vote against the rule this afternoon is trying to pull a fast one over on us.
here’s where scarecrow explains why the rules vote was the one that mattered for blocking this bill.
Boner sez the WMDs got shipped out before we arrived! Still with that!
repugs know they’ve fucked up now making dems pay for this bullshit!!
Al of these Democrats who think they’ve insulated themselves from charges of weakness and surrender-itis and caving to the terrorists are deluding themselves. All they’ve done is undermine their own support.
I just don’t get it. Why not take a stand and make history? Why fall in line like the rest of the sheep? Show me the Congressperson who rallies the troops, who has the floor like Pelosi, Murtha, Reid and others, and I will show you someone who will be remembered in history. McCarthy, Goldwater, for the republicans, McGovern for the Democrats. Clinton and countless others cite him as their inspiration to get into politics. That’s a legacy. All made bold statements, all took a stand. And all, whether villified by the left or the right, are going to be remembered as long as the republic stands. Why isn’t Pelosi digging in? What does she have to lose? She is in her 60’s, she is wealthy beyond belief, why worry about getting re-elected and supporting this toothless, wimpy bill. Be bold! Make a stand! Don’t tell me its politics.
oh, and Al Quaeda made Iraq a central front in their war against us …
will we wait to draw the line when they come here
…Boner
Bustednuckles @ 79
Now we get to see Caligula on Youtube.
-GSD
Why does Boner flash that really quick micro smile in between everything he says. I think it’s a “tell”, not a tic.
we’re getting tossed off line at times – patience please friends
Boehner’s crocodile tears were disgusting
anne @ 114
i think all we’re left with now is the kabuki…
Pelosi: we will bring to the floor a bill to revoke the authorization for the war.
Hell yes.
When Boner started crying, I laughed. Was that so wrong of me?
Pelosi 07!
GSD-
BTW, I think you’re a genius.
FWIW.
no quorum … yeas and nays ordered on part 1
Did anyone see this article in the Boston Globe regarding Howard Dean’s take?
Dean in Alabama: War funding bill holds Bush accountable
{By Jay Reeves, AP Writer – May 24, 2007}
This makes me think of the time about a year ago when Feingold introduced a bill to censure Bush for wiretapping and all the dems ran from it. They said it was political theater and yet in all the online polls I saw people believed Feingold was doing it because he believed in it and respected him for it.
GSD, I think, as long as there are numbers of american troops in Iraq (and there are some in the north, of course) that the Turks will be doing some saber-rattling, and not much more.
When the troops leave is when it will be time to watch Ankara’s statements very closely.
That is, unless bush, as seems likely, goes into hunker-down mode and takes Talabani’s offer of good basing opportunities…if that happens; no Turkish move.
But the mandated-for-this-year referendum to decide who controls Kirkuk (and the environs? Does anyone know the full particulars of what’s being voted on, up there?) is a time-hammer on bush. And one more reason to let this play out a bit longer, as awful as it is.
I don’t know what bush can offer the Kurds to get them to postpone that. It’s a cornerstone of their push for control of Kirkuk and those fields.
But he almost HAS to get that vote postponed. With our troops there, I really doubt the Turks will react cross-border, to the Kurdish win, which is just about certain, but they WILL find some way to give that bench-vice handle another turn or two. :o)
Teddy! Those ingrates…aint it awful, they don’t appreciate all that we’ve done for them?
Can you imagine? 600,000 Iraqis dead, their country a hell-hole of violence, and they’re using the dastardly step of paying bush and the warpimps back, by taking off for two months, instead of sticking around to pass the oil-givaway legislation.
I guess they fight back with the “Iraqi government” that they’ve got, rather than the one you want. :o)
TeddySanFran @ 110
I think you was right, TSF
anne @ 126
What?! Why was he crying? Because the troops are going to get fresh fruit now?
yeah erik28 feingold da MAN!!
I think Pelosi’s ‘ink blot’ analogy was pretty pathetic…
Does anyone here think Boner could pass a breathalyzer?
omg boner is losing it — sobbing
The Repubs will NEVER go along with de-authorizing the war. How could that possibly ever go through?
What they need to do RIGHT NOW, is DE-AUTHORIZE CHENEY before he is successful in creating a false flag attack that gets us into a war with Iran with all the troops as sitting ducks in Iraq.
more on this afternoon’s roll call vote on the rule for this bill –
it passed, 218 to 201 with only 7 dems voting against.
if there were only 9 more dems to vote against it – this bill could have been blocked (the equivalent to voting down).
we didn’t have the 16 dems needed to vote this bill down. that’s all it would have taken.
… any dem who votes against the resolution tonight, but didn’t vote against the rule this afternoon is trying to pull a fast one over on us.
selise @ 142
thanks selise!
Democratic Party. Listen up.
I am just about ready to send you my voter registration card listing me as a Democratic. I won’t be needing it any more. You’ve got about one month. Just keep it up.
yay – angry democrat caller!
erik28com @ 134
Unfettered domestic spying = blackmail.
Unlimited lobbying and campaign financing = congressional responsiveness.
Will of the people w/ vote = nothing.
We should call in.
[[EPU post]] Why is Palast/BBC’ story on “caging” lists not getting disseminated? Is it not credible? Has it already been “covered” and no longer worthy of follow-up? Here is latest…
The Goods on Goodling and the Keys to the Kingdom
by Greg Palast [[EXCERPTED]]
In her opening testimony yesterday before the House Judiciary Committee, Monica Goodling, the blonde-ling underling to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Department of Justice Liaison to the White House, dropped The Big One….And the Committee members didn’t even know it.
Goodling testified that Gonzales’ Chief of Staff, Kyle Sampson, perjured himself, lying to the committee in earlier testimony. The lie: Sampson denied Monica had told him about Tim Griffin’s “involvement in ‘caging’ voters” in 2004.
Huh?? Tim Griffin? “Caging”???
The perplexed committee members hadn’t a clue — and asked no substantive questions about it thereafter. Karl Rove is still smiling.
The keys: the missing emails — and missing link — that could send Griffin and his boss, Rove, to the slammer for a long, long time.
Kingdom enough for ya?
But what’s ‘caging’ and why is it such a dreadful secret that lawyer Sampson put his license to practice and his freedom on the line to cover Tim Griffin’s involvement in it? Because it’s a felony. And a big one.
Our BBC team broke the story at the top of the nightly news everywhere on the planet – except the USA – only because America’s news networks simply refused to cover this evidence of the electoral coup d’etat that chose our President in 2004.
Here’s how caging worked, and along with Griffin’s thoughtful emails themselves you’ll understand it all in no time.
The Bush-Cheney operatives sent hundreds of thousands of letters marked “Do not forward” to voters’ homes. Letters returned (”caged”) were used as evidence to block these voters’ right to cast a ballot on grounds they were registered at phony addresses. Who were the evil fakers? Homeless men, students on vacation and — you got to love this — American soldiers. Oh yeah: most of them are Black voters.
Why weren’t these African-American voters home when the Republican letters arrived? The homeless men were on park benches, the students were on vacation — and the soldiers were overseas. Go to Baghdad, lose your vote. Mission Accomplished.
How do I know? I have the caging lists…
I have them because they are attached to the emails Rove insists can’t be found. I have the emails. 500 of them — sent to our team at BBC after the Rove-bots accidentally sent them to a web domain owned by our friend John Wooden.
Here’s what you need to know — and the Committee would have discovered, if only they’d asked:
1. ‘Caging’ voters is a crime, a go-to-jail felony.
2. Griffin wasn’t “involved” in the caging, Ms. Goodling. Griffin, Rove’s right-hand man (right-hand claw), was directing the illegal purge and challenge campaign. How do I know? It’s in the email I got. Thanks. And it’s posted below.
3. On December 7, 2006, the ragin’, cagin’ Griffin was named, on Rove’s personal demand, US Attorney for Arkansas. Perpetrator became prosecutor.
The committee was perplexed about Monica’s panicked admission and accusations about the caging list because the US press never covered it. That’s because, as Griffin wrote to Goodling in yet another email (dated February 6 of this year, and also posted below), their caging operation only made the news on BBC London: busted open, Griffin bitched, by that “British reporter,” Greg Palast.
There’s no pride in this. Our BBC team broke the story at the top of the nightly news everywhere on the planet — except the USA — only because America’s news networks simply refused to cover this evidence of the electoral coup d’etat that chose our President in 2004.
And now, not bothering to understand the astonishing revelation in Goodling’s confessional, they are missing the real story behind the firing of the US attorneys. It’s not about removing prosecutors disloyal to Bush, it’s about replacing those who refused to aid the theft of the vote in 2004 with those prepared to burgle it again in 2008.
Now that they have the keys, let’s see if they can put them in the right door. The clock is ticking ladies and gents…
http://www.GregPalast.com
I’m very sad… and angry underneath. The media is presenting the House as ‘bowing to the will of the President‘ and ‘defeated’.
I want our country back and it’s just not happening fast enough… and now I’m afraid it won’t happen at all. Sad. Angry underneath.
erik28com @ 147
202 585-3885
Apparently the White House convinced the dems that they could claim victory by sayin that they forced Bush to accept the “optional benchmarks”. That’s takin shitty political advice from yer fuckin opponents- unbelievable.
Tanbark #134, the thing about Kurdistan is this: Turkey has said repeatedly that they’ll invade if the Kurds declare independence. And the Kurds will-they have to. They’ll never have a better chance-I can’t imagine their head (I forget his name) wants to be remembered as the leader who didn’t found the country when he could have.
The Republicans are going to vote against Pork Barrel spending, and the Democrats are voting for the war.
Man, you have to admit, those Democrats sure are smart: nothing like being known as warmongering big spenders.
I do not recognize the Democratic Party. In less than five months — actually, only four months — they have become the most corrupt, incompetent lawmakers this country has ever seen.
You think I’m exaggerating? Well, the Republicans were for the war and for big spending — but they were upfront about it.
The Democrats, on the other hand, are using the war to extract more money for their friends, while pretending to be anti-war.
You heard Murtha up there today. It’s all about the money. And what was the first thing out of Pelosi’s mouth?
For the Democrats its all about the money. Fuck the troops, fuck the base. If we can make another nickel out of some poor smuck stuck in Iraq they’ll do it.
I love this caller.
Another angry democratic caller – 2 for 2
Bush, Cheney and the Pentagon need troops. Let’s send everyone of these arm chair warriors in Congress that support this Bill to Iraq with a 50 lb backpack of MREs and a gun. They can be a soldier, a diplomat and an advisor to the Iraqi government all in one. Then in month, the ones that are still alive, can tell us whether or not we should give Bush his blank check. If they still support the War, let them stay there and fight it along with the troops they so casually deploy.
selise 117
i couldn’t find pelosi on that vote list from earlier………can’t find her on it…….did you see her listed on there?
erik28com @ 153
He was great!
Let’s elect him to congress!
Had Tucker on in the background- he was prempted by a routine fire in Manhattan. Did anyone else even notice that he was gone? Probably not.
Elliott @ 89
I’ve said it before, in Missouri we call it “Blunt Trauma”.
Story up on cnn.com:
Schneider: Dems try to have it both ways with Iraq vote
By Bill Schneider
CNN Senior Political Analyst
Democrats are trying to have it both ways on the Iraq funding vote. It will be interesting to see if they can do that.
Iraq war opponents say it’s a sell-out to vote for a bill that continues funding for the war without a timeline for withdrawal.
“We basically see a cave-in by many members of Congress, Republicans and many Democrats, who know that the message from the American people was to get us out of Iraq.” Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wisconsin, said.
Anti-Iraq war groups like MoveOn.org are threatening retribution.
“We already have members writing us saying let’s run ads against those people, let’s find primary challengers for those people,” MoveOn.org Executive Director Eli Pariser said.
But Democrats are also feeling pressure not to cut funding for the troops.
“The Democratic leadership is allowing this bill to pass because, unlike the president, they will not leave our troops unprotected in battle,” Rep. James Moran, D-Virginia, said.
[snipped]
Nice spin job, there: ‘allowing’ this bill to pass. I’d bet there are people right now trying to find a challenger for him.
3 for 3 – angry dems!
kinmo @ 160
LOL!
rwcole @ 159
I only watch Tucker’s show when David Schuster substitutes for him. And now — David’s gonna get married this weekend!
OK, less than 3 minutes remainin and ONE Democrat voting no. What are they trying to do here?
The C-SPAN callers are just blistering the Democratic cave-in! Are there some Doggies on the line? Really articulate people incensed over the whole ugly spectacle.
They speak for me, as well!
John in Sacto; what is magical about it, is that a lot of the american military who already know that this is a lost cause, and who are starting to mutter that under their breaths, will be speaking it louder, and more OF them will be speaking it, too.
Same thing with republican congresspeople.
This IS bush’s last hurrah. Even the “base” is starting to shit green nickels.
When september gets here, if bush tries to pack more troops in, to use them to try to put Iraq into lockdown to cover his ass until 2008, the next group of republicans going over to shit on his desk will look like a SWAT team.
CSPAN 1 or 2 is the house? 1 – correct
WOW–these c-span calls are really something!
The independents are particularly fascinating!
@ 167
Yes, 1 is House 2 is senate
Woodhall Hollow @ 167
IMHO the independents are usually the most articulate folks.
Dobbs drooling on and on about the immigration bill. Jessums.
RonD @ 128
That’s the fucking spirit!
PELOSI ‘07!!
(Why wait?)
OT – Lurita ‘Cookies On The Table’ Doan To Testify Again
@ 167
yes
It looks as though Hillary Clinton really is the leader of my party.
Let me just say this. As you can see from my previous comments I am PISSED at my party. But don’t give up people. This is a LONG effort to change the face of our party. And I know as the body count racks up it’s frustrating to think it doesn’t stop right here and right now. But one thing keeps me from ever feeling like giving up the fight and it’s this: the people fighting and dying in Iraq go through a a hell of alot more then I do. What I “suffer” in emotional anguish is nothing compared to what they do in emotional AND very real physical anguish. And so I do what little I can…
Thanks! I can listen while at work.
dmac @ 157
good catch! i don’t see her on it either… some kind of error to be corrected?
there have been 3 – all pissed – democratic callers, right? I’m trying to keep score.
Not sure I believe my ears, but I think Pelosi just said they would be considering ANOTHER SUPPLEMENTAL emergency defense funding bill for Iraq (already requested by Bush?), along with the separate FY 2008 Defense Appropriations Bill (over the next few months)… I thought she’d ruled out any more supplementals for the war? Or maybe just for the main costs of it? The FY 2008 Defense Authorization language has already been passed by the House.
If true, and if a significant supplemental, that may return some amount of leverage to Congress that now seems unlikely from the overall defense spending budget process.
And yes, Pelosi seemed to be promising a vote on de-authorizing the AUMF finally, at some point soon – I’m all for that one.
At least Pelosi didn’t seem to be trying to pretend this bill today is some sort of victory for the Democrats, unlike Emanuel and now apparently, and appallingly, Howard Dean.
Thanks, selise – your explanation of the rules vote in this thread makes very clear what David Sirota & Scarecrow were explaining about the hiding of the Democratic support for the conference report. The Democrats will be letting the Republicans prolong the occupation, by allowing the vote in the first place (passage of the rule), and most of them will then turn around to vote against the actual funding itself. Too clever by half.
Checked out Selise’s link. John Lewis (GA) was one who didn’t vote on the rule for the bill. Neither did Shea-Porter. Anyone know what’s up with that, esp. John Lewis?
anne @ 179
There have also been at least 3 pissed independents as well–all of whom said they voted dem to end the war. The writing is on the wall.
I’m still locked and loaded, but I’m still going to hold my fire.
There is no way Bush will EVER sign a bill getting out of Iraq. The only way going that route is for enough Repubs to cross over, and who knows if they’ll ever do that. There has to be another way to approach this, and it is possible “it” is in the works. If nothing happens within the following weeks or months that Pelosi just referred to, then they are ALL toast politically.
They’re not coming for us.
Up to about 277 yea votes.
Pelosi was tryin ta do a very weak victory dance yesterday- If she’s given it up- it is a good sign. She should be wearing black.,
@ 185
Pure kool-aid drinker
C-SPAN just had a “we dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and ended it” call. Brain dead.
omg – this gun did not just say hiroshima did he? omg he did! guess that’s one of the 28%
All right, Dem callers:
3 mad, 1 not
I have just about had enough.
LS @ 189
who are those people?
Another great caller.
Senate has debate on war up now
From a comment TSF highlighted on a prev. thread:
~~“I believe as long as we have troops in the front line, we’re going to have to protect them,” said Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record), D-Del. “We’re going to have to fund them.”~~~
With that type of circular “logic”, it will be an endless occupation of Iraq.
I gotta say, even I am shocked at how angry people are. I think the ‘close to the vest’ croud made some serious miscalculations.
It was bad enough voting to authorize the war when the country went nuts. It’s quite another to keep funding it with all this transparent kabuki when they’re starting to sober up and face the light of day.
“Democrats, just keep killing your babies”
Dem calls:
3 pissed at capitulation, 2 not
All independents are pissed at capitulation!
You know – I was in the Army when Nixon was impeached. It DID NOT FUCKING lower morale. We were in Europe and we talked constantly about WHY the country didn’t do something more. Just before that the Vietnam War was ‘winding down’.
1,525 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen oklahoma kiddo and all the Firepup Patriots:
“I am just about ready to send you my voter registration listing me as a Democrat.”
Do it right now kiddo…do it right now. I am sendin’ my DNC membership card back to ‘em in the next envelope they send me fer money. I’m gunna send the money I can’t afford to MoveOn and I’m gunna work with every organization I ken find that tries ta organize direct action protest focusin’ on the Democratic Party.
We have got to make this a LOOOONG hot summer for our elected Democrats…the freshman who owe the netroots and progressive movement their seats have gotta be bitch-slapped into the reality that we can cost ‘em their seats. Nancy Pelosi needs our support and the best way we ken give it to ‘er is to take the fight to the streets all across the country.
KEEP THE FAITH, IT’S TIME TA MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE FOLKS…GOD HAS GIVEN US ONE MORE CHANCE!!
Grassley talking about “sunshine and traansparency”
Nevermind. Grassley whining…
Elliott @ 192
I think they are the ones that want it to end, but the only way out “with honor” is to turn the middle east into “glass”. Morons drunk on kewlaid.
AP – Bowing to President Bush, the Democratic-controlled Congress lined up reluctantly Thursday to provide fresh billions for the Iraq war without the troop withdrawal timeline that drew his earlier veto.
“Relucantly”? Well that makes it alright then.
1st portion passed.
So I take it these Hiroshima fantasy warriors will want to drop nukes on the 160,000 American troops in Iraq because they say that withdrawing them is surrendering.
They signed up for the sacrifice I guess.
The Germans aint got nothing on us anymore folks.
-GSD
Good point about = oops, now what?
Hoyer’s been manipulatin’ and instigatin’ and betrayin’ and playing us all for chumps from the start. He’s the mole in the house.
Valley Girl @ 182
no clue. think lots of us are going to have to call our reps tomorrow and request an explaination of their rule vote. AND make clear we understand the significance of the rule vote.
i’m calling mcgovern’s office first, and then i’m writing a letter to the editor.
Where can one find a rollcall on this vote?
Americans have a great number of things to be pissed off about,this is a big one though.
I am glad they are taking heat,it’s way past time for a reality check in DC politics.
I missed the vote count: someone please post it in the comments
So Congress buys another F.U.
And General Prostitute will tell us in September ‘We must wait until next May!’
Darwin Awards, the lot of them.
Repubs love war and hate America. They are voting no on help for Katrina damage and farmers.
Grassley: aside from business tax provisions no real back and forth on the provisions by finance committee…
Republicans opened door to conference bill and got shut out. Definite whining about bad dems not treating repubs right…
cpsan is playing the ‘they will come for your babies, david!’ QandA again…
Here’s the Lasorda version (profanity included).
Bush saying he has an obligation to tell the truth to the Amurikan people. Maybe he should start doing just that now!
LS @ 213
Wow, and a bunch of Dems too!
LS @ 184
In September, (after hundreds more die) the repukes are going to say there is progress being made and that it’s no time to leave the poor Iraqi’s to face the terrorists alone. Bush is not leaving Iraq and his party of cowards will back him to the end. AND the dems will not stand up to them. Where does it all go from here?
All I caught was 73 nays, Pach. [So much for “most of” the Democrats - Wall Street’s smiling tonight…]
iraq war bill on c-span2 now…….
280-142 second portion
tbsa – Iran and Syria.
house bill passes……………
Ron, I don’t think they will DECLARE independence. I think they’ll just…practice it, especially if they take some, or most, of the fields around Kirkuk.
They won’t declare it with our troops there. Most likely bush has told them if they do, they might have to deal with Turkey while he goes “tsk, tsk”. But I dunno…at this point, bush will do ANYTHING to stop the dike from springing another leak.
What the Kurds will do; what they ARE doing, is consolidate their power in Kirkuk, and quietly (as long as we have troops nearby) go about pressuring the Arabs and Turkmen to move somewhere else.
There’s also been a marked increase in violence up there, too.
Same old…gonna be a hell of a summer…and fall.
These vote totals don’t make any sense; does the C-SPAN report have the two amendments mixed up?
It makes no sense for many Dems to vote against the domestic spending and minimum wage increase (supposedly vote #2) and vote solidly for the Iraq funding with little opposition. Anyone explain this?
I missed it on the audio–how did this second portion go?
I suppose this will be the go ahead for the rush for Iran now.
Woodhall Hollow @ 225
It passed
Our best and only hope – Iraqis, please kick us out!
Amazing how even after losing congress the republicans are able to stay united and the dems still fall apart. How does that happen? Do we need to start putting the fear of god into our members by backing more progressive candidates like we did with Lamont?
perpetual war for perpetual peace
man the ramparts – groannn – gotta get my protest shoes in fear – methinks its gonna be a long hot summer – and shut that idiot grassley up!!
1,525 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Patriots:
Progressives in Maryland, you have only one mission between now and November,2008…IMPEACH STENY WHOREYR!!
KEEP THE FAITH THROUGH ACTION!!
shoes in GEAR i mean
LS @ 230
In the name of all that’s wholly sane, please! kick us out!
The new Amurika:
War is peace
Lies are truth
WASHINGTON – Bowing to
President Bush, the Democratic-controlled House reluctantly approved fresh billions for the
Iraq war on Thursday, minus the troop withdrawal timeline that drew his earlier veto.
The 280-142 vote sent the bill to the Senate for final passage, expected later Thursday night.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..bN5KOs0NUE
Dover Bitch @ 216
Love it! He’s channeling ME!
(vid includes a picture of the boat he couldn’t hit water falling out of…
Roll call 424
Roll call 425
Cozumel @ 236
Soooo – what IF the Senate does pass it?
tbsa @ 236
Privacy is subversion.
Ignorance is strength.
My spidey senses are telling me that right this minute a certain Ms. Jane Hamsher is busy typing a scathing response to this fuckery.
The clerk must have numbered these rollcalls backwards. Pelosi voted NO on 425 (280-142) and YES on 424 (348-73) so I presume 425 is the warbill and 424 is the Katrina etc part of the bill.
Down…down with Hoyer.
Kerry up in the Senate.
Swopa has a fresh thread upstairs
Kerry: “Let me say very clearly I have been here before.”
Sen. John Kerry speaking in the Senate as I write – sorry to be so late to the Lake – darn day job – Kerry sounds furious – will the Senate vote this evening and are they expected to pass the bill? Sorry to be such a late comer nuisance.
ls at 202
the same ones in junior high who are losing at parchesi and mess up the board rather than lose……wipe it out rather than lose.
I just YEARN to feel proud of my party. I felt it for a few weeks there as they stood up to dubya and looked like they might actually defy him on this spending bill. But now it’s back to feeling cynical.
I hate that. I am SO tired of feeling that.
Pachacutec @ 211
for future reference – here is the index of house roll call votes.
h.r.2206 – part 1 – passed, 348 to 73
h.r. 2206 – part 2 – passed, 280 to 142
but don’t forget the rule vote.
TeddySanFran @ 244
Yeah those just look wrong.
Indeed, Scarecrow @ 226. Roll Call #424 has only 1 Democratic nay, and Roll Call #425 has only 2 Republican nays. So we had the votes reversed.
First vote was the non-Iraq spending.
Second vote was the Iraq spending (for which most Democrats did not vote, despite voting to allow the measure to come to the floor earlier today).
ok, i missed some of kerry – what was the ‘word’???
there’s at least two or three of the new US military bases and installations (already) being situated in Kurdistan…
the kurds will use these bases as cover behind which to wage civil wars–for kurdish independence–in iran, turkey, and syria…
it is hard to imagine how this is not gonna light a huge conflagration in the region…
.
TeddySanFran @ 244
that makes sense to me too (based on mcgovern voting).
tweety live now on misnbc…..
showing boner crying lol
anne @ 255
ranting on about the iraqi oil privatization law.
that is just so wrong.
Kerry giving one hell of a speech in the senate- wish it was a fillibuster.
Would the troops really run out of money in two weeks? The Department of Defense got $475(?) billion last year — may I suggest they reprogram some funds from golf courses, general officer getaways, and gold plated weapon systems scheduled for year 2250. The money is there, believe it or not.
selise @ 260
ok thanks
Kerry is great.
Boxer givin em hell too- says the bill stinks.
Boxer showing her normal perspective on issues- toenails as important as heart muscles.
Someone please tell me how to channel my seething anger at these people! I just want to spit. How can they look any American in the eye and say they represent us? How? How do we mobilize and demonstrate our bulk disappointment. Anyone? Buehler?
Fuckin idiot from Wyoming hollerin because the pork (which he is in favor of) is attached to the sacred war spending bill- whatta fuckhead.
Swopa has a new thread upstairs, for those of you still here.
tgrdug @ 266
The truth is that 95% of them represent themselves first and foremost. They only represent you when it benefits them. It is up to the people to take to the streets and protest. Only when we make enough noise to scare them into fear of not be re-elected will they serve the will of the people.
Absolutely furious right now, that this wussie bill will probably pass.
They just announced the identification of the body of Pfc Joseph Anzack, jr., son of a Torrance family. He was one of the three missing soldiers they’ve been searching for, for more than a week.
My husband works for the city of Torrance, and this really hits home in a small town like that. Mr opie_jeanne has been off work for 6 weeks, recovering from surgery. I know this will be much talked about when he is back at work on Wednesday.
Just devastating.
I wish I had a big truck to carry a big load of horseshit(the stuff those roses grow in)up to DC,I know just where I’d dump it.
TeddySanFran @ 244
TSF- agreed. I checked out some other names too. McNerny same as Pelosi 424/ 425 vote, same for some others.
Tanbark @ 167
I respectfully disagree.
Everyone’s got opinions and assholes and I am the latter.
These pathetic p.o.s’s have taken their 20 pieces of silver and thumbed their nose at us peons who they could care less about. I really want to know why the F**K they think we should give them our hard earned money, time and most importantly our vote when they will betray us on the most important issue of the last 50 years?
I wanna know why they think we are so fuc*king obtuse to think that we will accept their republican talking point frames?
I wanna know why the hell they think doing the same thing over and over again is not the diagnosis of insanity?
I wanna know how the shrub’s military plan is going to work now as opposed to the last 4 years?
I wanna know why the Iraqi’s that hate us now are going to start giving us flowers and chocolates now?
I wanna know why the “experts” think that independents (decline to state) will be so overwhelmed by the ineptitude and inutile actions of the “leadership” that they will be persuaded and cajoled into giving them their vote?
I personally (this is my asshole part) think that the independents will be appalled and dismayed by the capitulation and docile submissive acquiescence. (But what do I know. I’m an asshole)
John, no problems. I welcome your disagreement, but those things I pointed out are true.
We are going to see our military speaking out like never before. It’s already started. They KNOW that the reason they are still in Iraq has nothing to do with making us safer, or trying to “help” the Iraqis, but instead is all about covering…make that TRYING to cover…george bush and the republican’s asses, until they can get out of town and dump the whole shittaree in someone else’s lap, OR until the democrats get stupid and panicky enough to bail them out and put THEIR asses in the political meat-grinder, by forcing unilateral troop withdrawals which will trigger the last implosion, and let bush and the GOP off the hook for the end results of their bloody petro-posse.
I understand your outrage; have shared it, and ranted about it, for, lo, these years.
But I ask that we think. There is simply not going to be a “good” ending for america in Iraq. In fact, it will probably be downright horrific, whether our troops are withdrawn in 12 weeks or 12 months.
As of right now, the political “dues” for that will have to be paid by bush and the republicans. If the democrats start singlehandedly forcing troop withdrawals, instead of waiting for the pressure that is UNDENIABLY building from our military, and from Wall St., and from the voters, and from republicans, themselves, to kick in, and making the GOP deal with it, it will be ollie-ollie-in-free for the very people who did this to us.
And at the exact time they exult at being rescued, they will flay the hide off us, for doing it.
And make political hay, HUGE hay, as they flay.
That’s why they taunt us, and say:
“Why DON’T you go ahead and force some withdrawals. We’ll watch and see how it goes. It’ll be great to have the people who’ve been pointing out OUR fuckups, making one, gigantic, fuckup, by triggering the last act of the misery-opera that WE created…
BTW, thanks for letting us get off defense; we were getting our asses kicked with that 28% approval. Now, things will get LOTS better. Ciao, suckers!”
John, I ask you to think, and post, what you think will happen when out troops leave; no matter WHO engineers their leaving.
And then, if you’ve been honest and informed about events in Iraq, ask yourself if you think the american voters will accept those results from the people who triggered them, with equanimity and wise restraint.
I think it’s fair, and very necessary, to ask that.
Thanks, TB.
Minnesota’s newest suck up senator votes aye, blue state dems for Bush’s war
I think we can all agree there’s already too much there as it is.
If they could export the stuff for a profit now…
noen @ 48
sorry to poke & run… we luvs e/o here, & tries to share the toobz, but it gets awkward on days like this.
hope u took that in all good fun – just too much to resist. i = ethologist by training, & ’self-therapize’ w/ mixed success – what could be crazier than that?!
Been enjoying your comments…. ;->
Oklahoma kiddo @ 176
Vichy collaborator I’d say.
Leadership isn’t quite the same thing.