The recent trade agreement in Congress has generated a lot of excellent discussion, and Jane Hamsher has done a great job covering it here and here. Another set of trade concerns came to the fore this week as a delegation of government officials from China—nearly half the Chinese cabinet, in fact—met here in Washington, D.C., for trade talks. U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson once again tried to shore up the disastrous state of U.S. trade, and once again failed in staunching the nation’s trade deficit, while refusing to address workers’ rights in any agreements along the way. After all, Paulson, the former Goldman Sachs honcho, and other Bushites must focus on issues of most concern to Big Business, such as reducing intellectual property rights infringement.
Some perspective. Overall, the U.S. trade deficit in goods and services rocketed upward by more than $50 billion in 2006 to $765 billion—or nearly $2 billion a day, according to the U.S. Census Bureau and the federal Bureau of Economic Analysis. For the trade deficit to stay flat, exports need to grow 53 percent faster than imports. Last year, exports grew 2.5 percent faster than imports.
Meanwhile, the 2006 U.S. trade deficit with China, concentrated in manufacturing, grew by 15 percent to $233 billion and accounts for 28 percent of the total deficit. This year’s first-quarter $46.4 billion deficit with China is twice as large as in the same period last year. Our deficit with China is the largest bilateral deficit in world history.
For those corporate-speak economists who pooh-pooh an emphasis on U.S.-China trade as sour grapes and an inordinate emphasis on our trade relations with one country, they should consider this: 1.8 million U.S. jobs have been lost due to trade with China.
The U.S. trade deficit with China between 1997 and 2006 has displaced production that could have supported 2,166,000 U.S. jobs, according to a report released this month by the Economic Policy Institute (EPI). Most of these jobs (1.8 million) have been lost since China entered the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2001. According to Costly Trade with China, after China entered the WTO in 2001, job losses increased to an average of 441,000 per year—more than the total employment in greater Dayton, Ohio. Between 2001 and 2006, jobs were displaced in every state and the District of Columbia.
The union movement opposed China’s entry to the WTO both because of the likely loss of jobs here and because of the deplorable state of working conditions in that country and its lack of workers’ rights. Supporters of China’s entry in the WTO said those issues would be better resolved when China was accepted along with the other big boy nations in the WTO. They were wrong.
As Brett Gibson, a legislative representative at the AFL-CIO, testified before the U.S. International Trade Commission in March:
Labor in China is not just cheap: it is deeply disenfranchised and disempowered, leading to horrible abuses of workers’ individual liberties, but also to dangerous and unsafe working conditions, unpaid wages, and abuse of prison labor.
China’s more than 109 million manufacturing workers, many of them migrants without rights, are paid between 15 cents and 55 cents per hour. Many work 70 hours a week but overtime, minimum wage, safety and health and environmental laws are not enforced.
And there are as many as 10-to-20-million child workers in China—one-eighth to one-quarter the number of factory workers.
Both issues are entwined. As AFL-CIO Secretary-Treasurer Richard Trumka puts it:
…hundreds of thousands of U.S. jobs are lost because the Chinese government brutally suppresses the rights of Chinese workers to form independent unions and bargain collectively for their fair share of the wealth they create.
Working conditions in China won’t qualitatively improve nor will the bleeding of U.S. jobs be staunched until corporations stop steering the course for U.S. trade. As Gibson further noted, the interests of U.S. corporations
are closely aligned with those of the Chinese government—although not so well aligned with those of American workers or domestic producers. Artificially low prices on Chinese products—whether caused by currency manipulation, subsidy, or repression of workers’ rights—are a competitive advantage for companies importing from China.
In addition to winning trade deals that fail America’s workers, Big Business interests are investing outside our nation. Former Labor Secretary Robert Reich describes how America’s largest corporations have “decoupled from the United States.”
Their overseas subsidiaries are booming even as their American operations stagnate. General Electric expects more than half its revenue this year to come from outside the United States for the first time. More than half of Boeing’s new orders are from overseas. Ford is struggling in America but doing well in Europe.
In other words, the president’s supply-side tax cuts are great for America’s global investors, who have been investing their extra money around the world—either in foreign companies or in global American-based ones.
Even Newsweek in recent days has noted the hypocrisy of U.S. corporations when it comes to labor standards in China. Seems Big Business interests are lobbying China’s officials to weaken a draft labor law—after years of claiming that by moving jobs to China, their presence has helped improve labor standards and even forward democracy—certainly not to exploit cheap labor and sweatshop conditions. Writes reporter Sarah Schafer:
The proposed law would require employers to sign contracts with all workers and to pay severance to fired employees, and tighten job protection for older workers and sole breadwinners. It would also give the party-run union more power in contract negotiations and setting workplace rules. Designed to quell unrest over working conditions, withheld wages and long hours, the law has already been amended to make it more acceptable to foreign firms and is due to be approved as early as this summer. Critics say efforts to water it down further show how U.S. firms put profits ahead of principles in China while staying mum on sensitive issues, from Internet censorship to the repression of lawyers.
Companies such as Microsoft and General Electric and lobbies like the American Chamber of Commerce and the U.S. China Business Council object that the bill would make it difficult to fire employees on probation, while giving too much power to the official union…GE asked the Chinese government for five specific changes, including greater penalties for intellectual-property theft and union consultation, rather than union approval, of new workplace rules.
The AFL-CIO and our affiliated unions across the board have tackled these issues on many fronts—including urging the administration to get tough on China’s currency manipulation and human rights’ abuses (get a sample of actions here.) But as Trumka said this year when testifying before the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs on the issue of China’s currency manipulation:
I don’t mean to sound cynical, but I’m starting to feel like Bill Murray in the movie Groundhog Day. Every year, I or one of my colleagues is invited to testify on these important economic issues. Every year, the trade deficit worsens, more jobs are lost, and the economic pressures on workers and the middle class continue to grow. And every year, someone from the administration responds with pledges of increased dialogue and cooperation.
Which is why we already are knee-deep in the 2008 race. The next president will determine the direction of this country in many ways—and who steers the course on the crucial issue of trade is one of them.



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WOOT! Been a while, thought I was losing my touch.
PUHHLEAZE don’t feed the trolls !
Hi Tula!
As any economist will tell you, the Chinese are coming to the table with their
comparative advantage in plasticized dog food, lead-infused toothpaste and forced labor.
What’s your problem?
When will someone take on the DLC as being anti-labor?
Thats a lot of beer.
Add to that what were spending in Iraq and you start talking real money getting pissed away.
Tula — thanks so much for the substantial work that went into this post. So much to think about and discuss here. Really appreciate you putting it together for us!
thanks tula! i don’t think it gets said enough – that these trade deals are bad for workers everywhere (not just here).
Yes, Thanks Tula.
Very informative.
And for once your message isn’t getting drowned out by a congressional hearing!
*g*
Help labor? Stop spending on the Iraq War.
I support outsourcing the Federal Government!
The recent deaths of many American pets due to melamine contamination in gluten imported from China is a mixed blessing.
While many pet owners are grieving the loss of their beloved animal companions, their loss punctuates the problem of trade with China dramatically. If we can’t protect the food that both we and our pets consume that comes from China, how do we protect anything else that we buy from China, whether intellectual property or labor, or products?
Fair market. Not free market. (Thanks, Tula, nice job as always.)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 12
may i suggest an alternative? start outsourcing dee cee pundits…. the remaining ones will change their tune wrt to what is currently called “free trade”.
Ten Simple Ways to End the War:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot…..d-war.html
Yes, China gets all those billions from the US, yet China got away with killing many thousands, taking over a free country, and destroying independent Tibet and Tibetan religion — no one even talks about it any more. All by itself WALMART (which equals 10% of China’s GNP), let alone other US corporations, could put pressure to make China give it up. But that will never happen. Rupert Murdoch, WALMART, and all of Bush/Cheney’s GOP friends are making millions letting China poison us all with cheap, substandard products. Boycott the Olympics! And try to buy responsibly. The Olympics should only be held in FREE countries!
All the regular networks, the cable news, NPR, PBS News Hour and most newspapers fail to present the important issues Tula highlights from an honest perspective. All the MSM is arrayed against union and pro-labor stances. Not only that, very few of the MSM outlets even address labor issues knowledgeably, let alone have reporters who are familiar with the labor movement now – let alone the history of labor in America.
Air America and Democracy Now present labor issues – both in the USA and globally – through an informed perspective that simply doesn’t exist elsewhere in the media.
OT – Democracy Now’s coverage today of the situation in Lebanon is fascinating. Seymour Hersh on who is financing the jihadis in the Lebanese camps. No, it isn’t al Qaeda, it seems to be Elliot Abrams and friends…
Hey Christy,
Nice smackdown in the last thread.
It’s a beautiful thing the way you take some people apart.
Bustednuckles @ 18
Sorry I missed it. It’s hard to effectively lurk when trolls are gumming up the works. With a HT to Norske — keep the faith, firepups.
The Unions have a lot of there retirement funds invested in their companies stock the United Auto Workers should move their funds elsewhere it would send a messsage to General Motors, Ford and Wallstreet a few votes on a corporate board have given the unions nothing. Better returns at better companies would enable the unions to buy some MORE politicans not the Probusiness GM and Ford guys who fight against fuel efficent cars we need more Pro Union Politicans.
Either you pay your workers a living wage or we ban your products from our Country.
There a simple statment that can go on a bumper sticker I can live with.
I am slowly beginning to realize we have met the enemy, and it is not only the Republicans, it’s my own party, the Democratic Party. And I don’t care how much lip service the Democrats give to ‘being a friend’ to labor. Think Nafta, Cafta, DLC, Third Way, fealty to the banking industry, and outsourcing.
The gulf between the haves and have nots is growing ever wider and deeper. Who do I blame? Not the Republicans, that’s what they do. I blame the Democrats for letting it happen.
After all the jobs go over seas, what will we do? We will have to become a “welfare state”. How ironic. O’Henry would love it.
This AP note telegraphs China’s “We own you and don’t even think about pushback” innuendo.
It’s either good news or bad news depending on your point of view. If consumers transfer their wealth to China who then redeploys it to the elite financial institutions, that doesn’t sound like a sustainable relationship. Maybe I’m wrong about that. It sure sounds like trouble though.
The headline in the LA Times about Paulson’s visit to the PRC was about how raising the value of the yuan wouldn’t do anything to help our trade deficit.
As long as we’re buying stuff from the PRC because it’s cheap (so the profits stay high for the buyers (and for their management)), we’ll have a trade deficit that’s big.
Part of the problem is an administration whose response to trouble is ‘go shopping’.
And on the line of trade deficits – maybe we should try having, you know, a balance of trade that’s close to a balance, not tipped heavily to one or the other side. It will be difficult, but so is everything else we need to do.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
Would you like fries with that?
Corporations see workers as a drain on profitability so they go to places where labor is as close to free as it can get. What is important to realize is that executive compensation and dividends to shareholders are not viewed this way. Those who produce are seen as the enemy. Those who invest but do not produce are the be all and end all of the process. It is perverse.
Bustednuckles @ 18
Oooh, and on that note, I did want to apologize for further burdening the comment load before I read your warning to stop posting there. ack!
JK, bustedknuckles, I get that you were talking about her smackdown of spineless dems, not clueless commenters like me. teehee.
My puppy hates the Bush administration because of the puppy food scare. She wears a teeshirt with Bush’s picture and the words “Piss on him”.
rwcole @ 29
Spot on!!
You can be sure there is a huge recession coming thanks to these practices.
This country is going to take an ass beating before someone figures out that big business isn’t the greatest thing since sliced bread that they think it is.
The middle class has been getting hammered for decades, soon there won’t be a middle class,just worker bees and the rich.
I remember something about France having this problem once…….
Bustednuckles @ 26
Even the retail healthcare jobs don’t pay a lot unless you’ve got at least 15 years seniority. It’s a shame we can’t pay our own workers a living wage right off the bat. Welfare state indeed.
Hugh @ 27
And the corporate masters will run things. And we will take the crumbs and left overs they throw from the table. And be glad for it. Ah… “The Wealth of Nations”.
A long-time friend of my bro-in-law just got laid off (permanently) from Ford in MI. Ford was his first job out of engineering school, he’d been there over 20 years, nearly 30. He got a nice settlement pkg but was a week or so short of qualifying for his pension. Sucks. Coincidence?
Rob always took the corp anti-union view. Well, he may have identified with management but it appears that they did not reciprocate.
I think there are two issues going on here. We’re in a transitional time — IT and development will get to the whole world eventually so the current inbalance between countries is a short term (30-40yr) event. And we’re seeing some strange behavior right now becuase of that inbalance.
I do a lot of work w/ offshore companies (bunch of my clients are multi-national publishers who do a lot of work w/ compositors, printers, etc. in india, singapore, china, philipines, etc.). And they’re already seeing standards of living in india make them less competitive — hence the push to move into china.
this is a short term situation — won’t be able to hold on to that long term.
so, the two things:
1) short-term advantage. where short term is a couple decades and certainly impacts most of our working lives. lotta folks and companies are focused on this and the impact on themselves.
2) long-term end game. will the world average out to costa rica w/ a reasonable std of living for all? Or will we end up w/ built-in long-term inequality, mega rich in every country w/ built-in poor class that does all the sh*t work? so, offshoring can happen inside any one country?
gotta keep our eyes on both these issues. And thanks tula for good summary and pointers above.
Ed*ard Teller @ 17
amy goodman (yesterday) on trading secrets:
No, I was talking about her smackdown goodness of a certain commenter that pissed her off.
Hugh @ 27
Who will buy product when we are too poor to?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 23
no, no, no welfare state. permanent underclass is the goal of those folks. Think 3rd world right here at home — much more convenient than having to go cross borders. And with enough money, divided-class state is very comfortable for the rich. that’s what they’re aiming at.
I know this is not normally a site where we discuss economic theory, but, it is important to understand that the standard theory says that free trade makes both trading partners better off. The trouble with this theory is two fold (1) The theory was developed by David Ricardo in the 19th century, and assumes conditions that were changed by the 1944 Bretton Woods Agreement, and revised in 1973 (the so-called Bretton Woods 2). These agreements govern how countries value their currencies and settle international payments.
(2) Because the win-win result of free trade is so attractive intellectually (and had a lot of basis in fact when it was first promulgated) many economists believe in it to the point of religion, even though the benefits are no longer what they once were. Thus the corporations have a powerful weapon of intellectual respectability. Most economists, left and right, will defend free trade to the death at Congressional hearings, and make any dissenters out to be yahoos.
It is very important to understand that some of the brightest stars in the profession, including Nobel Laureate Paul Samuelson, and past American Economic Association President William Baumol, have had — and published — second thoughts on trade as it is now practiced, even if the rest of the profession has yet to catch up.
An important primer on why the trade system is broken is “The Dollar Crisis,” by Richard Duncan. Duncan served as an insurance and financial stocks analyst in the Far East during the Asian financial crisis in the late 1990s and was then retained by the International Monetary Fund as a consultant to help clean up the mess, so he knows exactly what he is talking about.
If you are the CEO of Ford Motor Company- your first obligation is to the shareholders. You may or may not be sympathetic to workers- probably you are- but if there is a clear conflict where the long term return on investment is clearly in conflict with a labor demand- ya go for the shareholders. That’s how it’s SUPPOSED to work.
As Galbraith pointed out decades ago- American Capitalism doesn’t always work the way it’s supposed ta work- cause there is a new class involved in our system- MANAGEMENT- who have their OWN agenda—-see Enron for details.
Chalk up another one for George W(orse President Ever) Bush!
Bustednuckles @ 31
Last word before I run out for the airport….
Why do you think Bush wants this war to continue? If the overheated economy comes to a grinding halt with the curtailment of defense spending how long before everything comes falling down?
Losing a “war” and being there for the beginning of a painful recession….hell, that isn’t how Bush-baby wants to outdo his Poppy.
Do svidania
neokneme @ 24
The people who say that it is good news are usually tenured economics professors ,
well-connected lobbyists who have sold out their putative constituency, or gasbag pundits,
none of whom are in danger of having their jobs offshored.
Sunlight
I had many hours of economics in college decades ago- but feel that I am not equipped for the discussion of necessary limitations on free trade in today’s geo-political environment.
We would all need a lot of background to contribute much to this.
Sunlight @ 40
of course, you actually have to have free trade for it to work and bring advantage to all partners. companies like walmart are very far from open markets — these are classic feudalistic, top-down command&control orgs. Ain’t no free market inside walmart or opertainig between walmart and its suppliers.
Senate roll call vote on Dorgan’s [D-ND] amendment to the Immigration Bill. The amendment would end the guest program within 5 years.
Yea 48
Nay 49
Oklahoma kiddo @ 6
Has anyone been to a Hillary campaign stop? One of her stops where she takes questions? Or Obama?
Tula, thanks for your continued focus on how the cult of free trade sacrifices jobs, families and whole industries on their altar of globalism.
The K Street Dems who brought us last week’s secret trade deals have short memories.
K Street Dems thought secret trade deals were a great idea just a year before the 2000 elections.
Denver = Seattle.
Thank the DLC Dems.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 48
I have personally asked Obama a question at a campaign event. The answer was fine.
egregious @ 47
I thought this bill was like that silly kid’s game — pull out one piece and the entire structure collapses. That’s how Chertoff was talking it up in the WaPo a coupla days ago. How can it be amended with something so critical as ending the underclass supply of labor in five years?
clichy @ 43
History will not be kind to Mr. Andrea Mitchell or Ben Bernanke either.
Curious to know what people think of this article in the NYTimes yesterday (about the irrelevance of world economic organizations at this point in history):
[Mod: Important to close a quote with [/blockquote] with the all important “/” thanks]
In case anyone hasn’t noticed, BushCo has not slowed down in their march toward Global Domination. And it isn’t the USA who will be the “winner” — it will be BushCo.
Bush has just kicked the Dems (who supposedly have THE power) squarely in the balls and they are doubled up on the ground.
Look at the facts:
BushCo has started the war games in the Persian Gulf, at the front door of Iran. (Why play games when you have a fucking war going on 50 miles away? Diversion?)
The Dems just gave Bush his war funding without any strings. That showed him. (Give a heroin addict $1000 cash for rent and you know it is going up the arm.)
The Dems gave Goodling immunity on something that turned out to be a dud. Of course I think she was lying, but the immunity was claimed for something akin to a parking ticket in DC. (The fact that she pushed partisan issues — whoa Nelly, what a scoop.) Everyone is trying to make it sound like she dropped a bomb. No, she was a good little operative who played a weak two-of-a-kind hand and beat a much stronger flush.
And China? Look what has happened to capitalism in Russia. There are a bunch of former party operatives who are mega millionaires, and the rest are left to benefit from the “freedoms” associated with unemployment, failing pensions, and a fail environment.” Well, at least they have satellite TV. It is always easy to get someone to trade their unknown future for a mess of pottage. Americans are supposedly about equality in opportunity and democracy, but our overlords know that it is in their interests to subjugate rather than offer the American
DreamMyth to the world.Okay Firedogs, BushCo is still running on all cylinders. They are laughing because nothing has changed. They are still in charge, they have pissed more people off, they lost the election, but they are still doning whatever the fuck they want. I call that winning.
It doesn’t make me happy in the least. But when the Democratic fuckwads can’t make a stand of any type, they become worthless. They need a victory now or democracy as we have known it will be dead.
Harry Scherer has some interesting comments on the failure of the Democrats to pull thier heads out of their asses.
If China is buying our debt and our private equity firms, and through them our productivity base, why should the World Bank, funded by us and the EU, lend to them? Aren’t these institutions (WB, IMF) outmoded in their Cold War paradigm?
The number one important attribute I look for in a Democratic candidate for prez is one who speakes his or her OWN mind.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 52
Don’t two wrongs (stock and real estate bubbles) make a right?
But if Harry Reid & Rahm Emanuel call this winning, who am I to disagree? Surely they are smarter than I, and have a secret plan to curtail BushCo soon?
Great post, Tula. Thanks so much for wading into the details of this, much appreciated.
I dislike the DLC and those Democrats connected to it.
Assuming that the market was free, which it is not, it would still be unacceptable to allow market corrections that reduce ’surplus labour’ by bankrupting or starving workers.
It is unacceptable to allow manufacturers to make products that injure or kill buyers, their children or pets or are otherwise not what they purport to be in the name of competition.
rwcole @ 29
At an anti-war demonstration last winter, one military spouse was there with the whole family – minus her husband, who is STILL in Iraq. Everyone had signs, including their dog. The dog’s sign read Which Bush Should I Pee On?
TeddySanFran @ 58
that’s the only possible explanation, strategery
TeddySanFran @ 58
Yeah. Keeping their powder dry for now. Like with Alito. After all, that worked out so well.
Bustednuckles @ 10
At last! Thanks, all for your great comments. It’s always so great to see what a smart group you all are.
lee5 @ 46
(please correct me where i have this wrong – no economist, i)
but even if trade increases the size of the pie – if the losers out number the winners (and/or if the losers are already those with less financial/poltical power)… it can still be a bad thing.
here’s a cute overly simplistic example (can’t remember where i read this) to illustrate what i’m trying to convey.
say there’s a trade deal that will increase the size of the pie by $100. sounds good, right? but what if this trad deal gives bill gates an extra $150, and you loose $50? are you going to be in favor of it? i don’t think so.
so, even if trade deals can increase the size of the pie (trade works), if the winners are unwilling to share with loosers – it could be a bad deal and eventually there will be a big backlash against trade.
I am a radical blue collar Democrat. And I make no apologies for my position.
OfT:
Jerry McNerney came around — after disappointing us all on the McGovern bill, he’s voting NO on the supplemental.
I really like that he called it “another blank check” but I bet Rahm won’t.
I’m on the Thom Hartman show talking about the supplemental.
Hi Jane- you seem to have a new thread up- but it disappears. Magic?
This is what I never understand when these trade bills are being sold to us by Democrats — who do they think pays the price for the layoffs, retraining, lost health care, downjobbing, and strained families that they call “sometimes painful short-term adjustments?”
It’s the Democratic base, that’s who.
note to self: never piss off the ReddHedd or Marcy or (god forbid!) Jane.
Wow ! I just finished reading the comments section on “Disgusted” That was intense !
THAT is why this place is #1. I am surprised that FDL doesn’t get a more intellectually challenging brand of troll though. Maybe they don’t exist.
Jane is on Thom Hartmans show
listening to Jane H right now on the streaming broadcast of thom hartmann’s show on air america; go jane!
Tim @ 73
The FDL trolls are Regent grads. God’s on their side.
While Clusterfuck has more press conferences with fear for sale- Iraqi’s shia are involved in a quiet but effective program to simply eliminate the sunni opposition- just kill em all. The US govt is helping to do this- perhaps inadvertently. Nice Job Clusterfuck!!!
rwcole @ 77
This occupation will end in ethnic cleansing. The only real question now is whether we will stay and fund it.
Jane Hamsher @ 69
Jane, listening now!! Had no idea you were gonna be on till I tuned in!
Globalization is inevitable but the kind of globalization is not. It has been a political not an economic choice to weight it so heavily toward the investment side and essentially ignore environmental considerations, workers’ rights internationally, and disruptions in the domestic economy and to domestic workers. It doesn’t have to be this way. I agree a myth very convenient and very profitable to a few is being sold here.
Re Ford and GM and who they are responsible to, they have been primarily responsive to shareholders and look where it has gotten the US auto industry, and their workers.
Tula, how can we convince our Congresscritters that they were not elected to govern in secret? I consider this trade bill — and the immigration bill! — to have been developed in secret. The push to vote for it before the American people understand it seems contradictory to Speaker Pelosi’s promise to provide the most honest, open, and ethical Congress ever.
Do we have allies inside Congress who can shed some light on this bill? And what happened to the old “when a bill becomes a law” theories we all learned in grade school — you know, hearings, educating the public, field investigations, and actual committee votes?
Having this all happen in the dark is NOT what Americans voted for last November.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 23
Who’s gonna give us food stamps while Bush & Cheney are kicking back in Paraguay?
dead last @ 54
Harry Shearer always blames Democrats, especially Bill Clinton. I think Shearer should blame Republicans once in a while or just make cartoons.
WalMart, being a favorite punching bag,Is however a damn good example of what the evils of globalization actually look like.
Paying wages on less than 40 hrs a week so they aren’t considered full time.
They had many of their employees getting state aid. That kind of shit is what hurts communities while delivering the goods to the shareholders.
The end result of all this?…a nation of financial service and healthcare providers, official mouthpieces, pawnbrokers, cops, prison guards, and…inmates.
RonD @ 86
My Dad used to say that the California economy was based entirely on people washing each others’ convertibles.
RonD @ 86
It’s what happens when you destroy the middle class as the Republican Party has been doing for the last 30 years. Tax cuts for the rich, on capital gains cuts, for corporations, suppression of wage increases for workers, anti-unionism, it all adds up after a while.
Yep, wage suppression is here to stay.
I make less per hour now than I did 20 years ago doing more work.
I even belong to a union.
Jane Hamsher @ 69
Hey! since your talking to AA tell them to use something better than WMP or RA :()
Something like postcasts and/or ogg for all the dirty opensource software hippies! thx.
One of the legacies of Vietnam is the “civilian” Special-Ops unit, aka SWAT team.
Now, thirty-odd years later, every podunk polce dept. in the country has SWAT teams with snipers and “dynamic-entry” units, along with infrared-equipped helicopters, the possession of all of which must be justified by its employment. This is not really OT, as we are leaving people fewer and fewer things to do, and the eventual mass return of occupation troops from Iraq is going to provide a whole new generation of would-be stormtroopers for whatever politico tries to manage a population without options, or hope.
Sorry for so down.
Hugh @ 80
Sooner or later (probaly later) SOMEONE in management for these “global” companies is going to realize that there will be NO one available to buy their products if the workers aren’t paid reasonable wages. Then what good is the equity position of the management types? Or the stockholders? And if they try to bring back feudalism, there are a few “lords of the manor” that are going to be quite shocked that the serfs aren’t cooperating as they’re supposed to.
What is the premise of capitalism? Why this particular system? What was going on in history at the time of Adam Smith? Why did our founding fathers deliberately omit it from the constitution? Trade among people has been in existence since the beginning of time. “I’ll trade my sea shell necklace for your coconut oil.” It works. Trade is ancient. Capitalism is not. Trade is based on need. Capitalism is based on manipulation. Now capitalism controls trade. We substitute capitalism for Democracy as though they are one and the same. You can have the most horrendous fascist government in the world and it is capitalistic. Remember, Hitler was a die-hard capitalist. Slavery didn’t exist in a vacuum; it was hard core capitalism. Ask any good capitalist how do you make money and he will tell you, “On other people’s labor.”
How can an economic system work that has no ethics, morals, humanity, preservation in its premise and be expected to be a civilized system used by humans? And yes on deregulation (another term for lawlessness) let’s deregulate driving. Since we trust the same people to monitor themselves in business they are the same people behind the wheel of a car. If you drive fifteen miles over the speed limit you just drive yourself to the next Highway Patrol Station and say, “Hi! I just drove fifteen miles over the speed limit. I’m here to collect my moving violation.”
TeddySanFran @ 81
In this case, Bush & Co didn’t even get much to take to Congress. The admin does all the talking and it’s not talking about workers’ rights. The multiple attempts Paulson has made to convince China’s officials not to devalue currency–and so salvage some US jobs–have totally failed.
One thing I like about Edwards is he seems to be pretty pro-labor. Perhaps it’s just a lot of hoo-ha, I dunno.
But I very much appreciate this piece. This is something we need to discuss more. I am no expert on trade, but I realize it is intrinsically linked to the health of our own economy.
Anyone who doesn’t believe that the ‘yellow horde’ will be the end of America, as we have known it (arguing with myself right now, as I don’t really recognize America right now anyway) is not looking at Reality. Every year, they grow stronger. If military action ever unfolds, China WANTS to lose at least half of their population. We’d be in a really horrid place, and are now, but everyone’s focusing on Iran.
QuakerGirl @ 93
I’ve wondered about that myself. well said.
QuakerGirl #93,
John D. Rockefeller:
“The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets.”
The great philanthropist.
tw3k @ 97
Looks like capitalism.
On trade, something I don’t understand is this: for 200 years we protected our domestic industry with tariffs, and it seemed to work pretty well-America became a very wealthy nation under this system-so is there one SHRED of empirical data that suggests this system should have been scrapped?
Harriett @ 96
Please consider that “yellow horde” is racist. My wife is half-Chinese so I must take exception to that term.
RonD @ 100
Because it’s good for America! Well, that is, corporate America.
The only “horde” that will be the end of America is the one that set up and supports a trade policy that sends 768 billion a year in trade-deficit money to another country, regardless of who it is. The “yellow” reference is both racist and irrelevant.
Mandrake #102,
It just seems to me that somebody, somewhere, had to have said,”Hey! If we adopt this unfettered free-trade model, it would be superior to the present system in this way…” The only argument I’ve been able to find is the internationalist one: by making everyone dependent upon everyone else, you minimize the risks of war.
We see how well that’s worked out.
RonD @ 104
Many economists have been saying it’s great. Some of them were perhaps well-meaning in the beginning and really believed it was a great idea. The ones who are still saying this now, however, are either lying or delusional. But you’d be hard-pressed to find any economist who gets asked onto the networks or cable news who would argue against it, for obvious reasons!
Excellent article. The competitive threat posed by China is enormous, in every industry and service. US companies depend on it for their growth, their profits, their executive bonuses, and their future. But not the future of any of their employees or the US communities that they have traditionally called home.
It is the only location that is both mega-market and low-cost source, making it as attractive as the only open bar in Dallas on Saturday night.
US companies are actively fighting business regulations of all kinds, on labor, the environment, financial disclosures, you name it. Direct investment is huge, outsourcing – both direct and indirect – is larger, much of it unseen. The US-China relationship deserves a high priority in our public debates. Mr. Bush seems to hide it in a corner.
Adam Smith didn’t “invent” capitalism- he just tried to describe what he saw goin on out there. “Capitalism” wasn’t invented and it isn’t a “system”. It’s an extrapolation of what things would look like with absolutely free markets and low barriers to entry and no governmental involvement- three things that have never occured in history and probably never will.
What HAS existed- and continues to exist-is millions of people coming to the “marketplace to buy and sell shit and to make more money than the other guy. At the end of the day- lots of people got what they wanted- new shoes- and some people got screwed (union shoemakers).
I have a strong feeling that “LibertyLee” is the Auggy troll that used to hang around Eschaton. I see he still has a lot to learn…
On the trade subject, I highly recommend the book, “When Corporations Rule The World.” It enlightened me to the way in which our current trade policies are contributing to more misery, health problems, higher mortality rates, and environmental disasters around the world.
Free trade is evil and only benefits corporations. Fair trade is good for everyone.
Haven’t yet seen Liberty say much that warrants discussion.
rwcole @ 110
Lotsa basic GOP talking points, all of which progressives have shredded long ago.
The competitive threat from China is not about race. It is about economic and, ultimately, military competition. They have the markets, the resources, talent, money, and determination. They have enormous pride and a fire in the belly. They will compete with us in China, here and around the world. They have always considered themselves the center of the world, and mean to make it a reality.
It is about competition, not race. It’s a football match between the two biggest teams in town. Except that the financial wealth of half the US coaches depends on the Chinese team winning.
Someone else may be able to talk about “free trade” according to the text book. I can only talk about it experientially. NAFTA did not have its origin under Clinton. It was already an entrenched system (hope system works this time and I don’t get creamed like I did for saying capitalistic system) under Reagan. It was popularized under Clinton with the acronym, NAFTA. 1981 Reagan began a foreign trade policy giving special privileges to such companies as IBM, Coca Cola, etc., agreeing with China that if those companies could establish in China, China could have the US Apparel Industry (the apparel industry didn’t have much of a lobby). I found out about this little deal through my Chinese counterpart in Hong Kung who warned me my silk would increase at least 600% so large apparel companies manufacturing offshore could purchase silk at a reduced price and the increase in the price to smaller companies (like mine) would subsidize the large corporations. My government would never do such a thing, I said.
I searched and could find nothing of this deal in my country. I asked everyone I knew in apparel. No one knew what I was talking about. Their government would never do such a thing. Well, it all turned out to be just as my dear business partners in Hong Kung described. My silk was so high it was impossible to compete in the US market. I lost 200 small designers and manufacturers in the US. They went out of business within one year. Mass marketing of giant corporations became the norm.
My small business was the first industry to bite the dust under Reagan’s foreign trade policy, which he didn’t understand but let others put into place. People could have successful small businesses at one time and many women were like me, a single parent and sole supporter of her family. We did it all. We weren’t millionaires but we could provide a good home for our children. Until Ronald Reagan. He withdrew the opportunity for women to get a small business loan under the classification, minority, established by Jimmy Carter. Reagan favored large corporations and with it deregulation (lawlessness).
There used to be thousands of small couture shops all over America. Find me one today. We used to manufacture shoes. The shoe industry went after the apparel industry. The cotton industry was certain it wouldn’t happen to them because they had a powerful lobby (another subject for another day). I spoke to the heads of many companies. My argument was if my industry went so would the others, one by one. And so it did. How do you turn this lumbering sinking ship around I have no idea.
We don’t get nice clothes for a cheaper price. That’s the BIG lie and people repeat it. Had we had the Russian Revolution we couldn’t look any worse. If a product costs $1.50 landed. Wal-Mart sells it for $19.99. That is not its value and you didn’t get it at a deal. The way it used to work before 1981 was if the product landed at $1.50 you added 20% to replace goods that didn’t pass quality control, etc., and doubled that to the retailer. Basically you sold it to the retailer for $6.50 and if they bought in quantity for $6.25. The consumer was to get the benefit. That product would retail for $12.50 and the retailer made a lot of money. Who gets the benefit between $12.50 and $20.00 today? Wal-Mart. Not you. You just over paid for a poorly produced bad quality product. Wal-Mart just got the 100% profit plus the markup. You get zilch!
Who has the power? I do. If I have $5.00 to spend I decide which business gets it. It’s NEVER Wal-Mart. They would have to turn me upside down and shake a nickel out of my pocket to get anything out of me. And I don’t buy Nike either. Nor a lot of other products. And I love to shop. I just buy very little, if anything. I come home just as satisfied.
It’s Groundhog Day with one important difference. There is no chance of nailing Andie McDowell at the end. Instead, we keep waking up with a chimp babbling in our ears.
This is what drives me nuts. If U.S. corps were forced to stick to rules and regulations that U.S. workers would be satisfied with it would be a great leap forward. But instead they make the situation worse. And the Chinese in general– believe it or not– have looked up to the U.S.. The fabled good behavior of the U.S. during the opium wars is just one example of how the Chinese differentiate U.S. from other countries. It makes me sick to my stomach that the U.S. corps are moving backwards into the Industrial Age in this country and exploiting the conditions in other countries.
One idea that I have is that this government must come up with a model agreement for businesses with manufacturing in China. One that respects the environment and labor among other things. Chinese gov. tends to blow when confronted with abuses because they regard it an attack on their sovereignty (seriously.) But taking actions in Washington like regulating US businesses doing manufacturing would be a different story. Right now the US looks all words. Paper tiger.It’s a dilemma.
Just my ideas.
Harriett @ 96
Yeah yeah, yellow horde, international jewish conspiracy. I find that offensive. China wants to get rich, o.k.? And quite frankly they deserve better living standards.
Sunlight @ 40
Thanks for the book tip.
The political system we have moves like molasses and if it’s done well it makes incremental improvements, so we don’t take 1 step forward and 3 steps back.
Ideally you start, as did America, with freedom — that’s the Free Trade idea — and then you begin to regulate — that’s where our next brilliant President comes in — to protect workers and businesses and national security of all parties. Then, if you’re lucky you finally get an international infrastructure which manages all the governance impartially, so you don’t have to have a zillion international treaties which each say something different. We are a long way from that.
So, one of the biggest reasons we need to elect someone who is Progressive to the Presidency is to enable another step forward (following on Clinton’s work) and this step would be to extend the free trade to new areas and to begin negotiating within the frameworks of NAFTA and CAFA regulations on worker safety, child labor, food safety, and so on. You don’t want that being done by a Republican, so we need Gore or Edwards or Richardson to ensure it’s done well.
Yes, I know businesses aren’t interested in this kind of stuff. At least they say they aren’t. But, you know the pet food retailers would’ve loved for the crap they got to have been better regulated and inspected. They just don’t know they love Progressive law until they’ve had it for a while.
Democrats are interested in economics and have made some big steps forward from Carter to Clinton and we need to continue to offer our kind of Liberal economic system to the world. It made America great and raised a lot of boats with the rising tide.
Bustednuckles @ 85
We need to change our concept from full-time or part-time work to something more flexible and yet safe for workers. People might have to find several part-time jobs to make ends meet, but they shouldn’t be denied the benefit of being a full-time worker.
People’s retirement funds should never be so available to corporations as they were in the 1980s. They were simply stolen.
We need to begin to separate the worker’s assets (retirement fund, healthcare benefits, etc.) from the corporation and bind them more tightly to the individual.
If corporations are going to become International, then it’s certainly not going to be safe for American workers to have their assets so far from home.
Mandrake @ 109
Right!
And, who better than a Progressive to write new law to overlap current trade law to improve on the current system without screwing it up?
O.k. this post has set me thinking. Addressing human rights as the U.S. traditionally does, has been said to “hurt” business. President Clinton backed down. And we all know Chimpy is all pro business. The result of this inconsistancy, is the Paper Tiger namecalling.
Also Chinese leaders zealously guard their sovereignty, and that includes how they treat citizens. In other words, the traditional approach to improving human rights is a failure and has caused impasses and embarrassments to the u.s. That is not to say the project should be abandoned. The approach must be different. Words must be put into actions and actions should include regulations where we put our words into action.
Chinese are like any other people (corrupt and venal gov aside) and crave better. There have been improvements due to open trade (Deng Xiao peng’s get rich first policy), that have been phenomenal. Villages in Canton that starved during the famine and wasted away during the Mao years have improved vastly.
I believe Fair Trade must be put into action. We cannot allow the business community a free reign in China where business and politics go hand in hand, because this results in the most corrupt and venal and despicable treatment of laborers and abuse of the environment as we well know from experience. And the bar is set pretty low in China. I firmly believe that abuse of workers abroad results in the devaluation of workers in the U.S. It has to be stopped for the sake of us all and collective humanity.
I would suggest that a reading of East and West by Chris Patten. Although he is tory-ish and conservative, he has some excellant insights. A friend from Hong Kong recommended it to me as it is one of the most accurate Western books for those who need an introduction to Hong Kong and East and West.
QuakerGirl @ 113
NAFTA was a formalization of the Reagan-era trade agreements aimed at Canada, USA and Mexico in particular. That’s where the “NA” for North America comes in.
What do you think the government did? Wasn’t it just the corporations who played dirty?
Simply showing Democrats understand how to govern a nation whereas Republicans only know how to use government as a weapon to help their friends commit a mugging.
You paint a picture of your experience which many Americans are now facing. It’s tragic in particular since we know how to do much better, how to raise all boats with the rising tide.
What you point to most clearly is what happens when corporations have too much power to manipulate workers & trade and how the wealth doesn’t “trickle down”, but seems to end up in the pockets of Corporations and the Rich.
Republicans know only greed and the freedom of a mugger to steal.
Democrats know how to regulate and redirect some wealth to ensure a proper balance is maintained.
Perhaps the most difficult aspects of this world trade situation is new things we haven’t faced before here in America. How do we deal with corporations simply leaving? how do we overcome the loss of jobs to outsourcing? How do we protect American workers of companies moving overseas?
All these questions and more need to be dealth with by a Progressive President and not a DLC Dem or a Republican like Romney.
The Bush administration is planning to fund a railroad which has the primary purpose of shipping raw materials from Russia and Mongolia to China. see the Millennium Challenge Corp. at mcc.gov – look for the Mongolian proposal. Ms. Rice has agreed to sign this proposal even though Mongolia has not done anything regarding Corruption.
selise @ 66
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There are a number of different issues at play here. Wal-mart is sourcing goods in China and sellng them here. One presumes they try to buy goods over that are as cheap as they can find while still meeting spec. One also presumes that Chinese competition to serve Wal-Mart is fierce. At which point the issue of transfer pricing kicks in: within the whole, how much will Wal-Mart charge its Chinese subsidiary for the goods, and what will it sell them for at retail in the US? There is a great deal of scope for marking the goods up. The object of this game is to have an offshore entity in a low tax jurisdiction do as much of the markup as it can so that the tax liability is reduced to the minimum.
The second issue is, how do we compensate the losers in free trade so that we can maintain a free trade consensus? Sounds like a smart theoretical question. In reality we ram through the trade deals and forget to protect workers, just as Tula says. Compensating the losers is an afterthought we when be bother to do it at all… Trade Adjustment Assistance is difficult to qualify for in practice and doesn’t come close to making the losers whole.
My advice: balance the budget as we during the Clinton years, so that we don’t have to worry if the Chinese don’t show up for Treasury Bond auctions. (2) Decide if we are going to really have a car industry, a steel industry, a computer industry, and make it happen. Just like the Europeans or Japanese do. (3) Get serious about cutting oil imports and moving to energy conservation and to sustainable, renewable energy.
The main point here is: if balance the budget we don’t need to sell new Treasury Bonds, and the Chinese lose their leverage over us. They can’t sell the bonds they have, because if they were to start, so would everyone else and their existing holdings of US bonds would drop bigtime, handing them huge losses.
Balancing the budget while starting a new energy program would mean higher taxes (hopefully we’d start by restoring the inheritance tax and other Bush cuts that center on high bracket taxpayers). But if we were able to help restore indusrial capaciy in America while paying our own way we would begin to restore the power that Bush has thrown away.