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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-716567</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 00:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-714987&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kathleen @ 56&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Does the Israeli lobby own Hillary?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20070521Demsfundraising.html&quot;&gt;http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow.....ising.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“tracking donations say Clinton leads among Jewish donors, especially among those whose emphasis is purely pro-Israel”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why is it that a candidate can not be PRO-PALESTINE PRO-ISRAEL?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe she’ll take triangulation to a new low by including a foreign power. Call it quadrangulation or just plain strangulation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-714987"><em>kathleen @ 56</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Does the Israeli lobby own Hillary?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20070521Demsfundraising.html">http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow&#8230;..ising.html</a></p>
<p>“tracking donations say Clinton leads among Jewish donors, especially among those whose emphasis is purely pro-Israel”</p>
<p>Why is it that a candidate can not be PRO-PALESTINE PRO-ISRAEL?</p>
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<p>Maybe she’ll take triangulation to a new low by including a foreign power. Call it quadrangulation or just plain strangulation.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-716547</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 00:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-714915&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sophist @ 15&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-714913&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elliott @ 13&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I want our America back.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I want the forces that have taken away your America to leave my Canada alone,&lt;br /&gt;
something it appears they are intent on not doing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;America has become a threat to my future, and my children’s future, and it terrifies me.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for speaking up. We don’t have many non-American speakers here who remind us we are but one country in the world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OTOH, we who oppose the stupidity, the greed and criminality of the politicians and the Rich are doing our best. Support us, support the cause and never stop calling for Liberty.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-714915"><em>Sophist @ 15</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-714913"><em>Elliott @ 13</em></a></p>
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I want our America back.</p>
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<p>I want the forces that have taken away your America to leave my Canada alone,<br />
something it appears they are intent on not doing.</p>
<p>America has become a threat to my future, and my children’s future, and it terrifies me.</p>
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<p>Thank you for speaking up. We don’t have many non-American speakers here who remind us we are but one country in the world.</p>
<p>OTOH, we who oppose the stupidity, the greed and criminality of the politicians and the Rich are doing our best. Support us, support the cause and never stop calling for Liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Cozumel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-715471</link>
		<dc:creator>Cozumel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-715453&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;P J Evans @ 79&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“They are a threat to your children,” Bush said. “And whoever is in the Oval Office had better understand that…. If we leave, they follow us.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shrub using his old line again. Why does he think it still works? Has he ever said how he thinks they’ll ‘follow us’?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That, and ‘over here’ and ‘over there’ aren’t mutually exclusive&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-715453"><em>P J Evans @ 79</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>“They are a threat to your children,” Bush said. “And whoever is in the Oval Office had better understand that…. If we leave, they follow us.” </p></blockquote>
<p>Shrub using his old line again. Why does he think it still works? Has he ever said how he thinks they’ll ‘follow us’?</p>
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<p>That, and ‘over here’ and ‘over there’ aren’t mutually exclusive</p>
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		<title>By: P J Evans</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-715453</link>
		<dc:creator>P J Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“They are a threat to your children,” Bush said. “And whoever is in the Oval Office had better understand that…. If we leave, they follow us.” &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shrub using his old line again. Why does he think it still works? Has he ever said how he thinks they’ll ‘follow us’?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“They are a threat to your children,” Bush said. “And whoever is in the Oval Office had better understand that…. If we leave, they follow us.” </p>
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<p>Shrub using his old line again. Why does he think it still works? Has he ever said how he thinks they’ll ‘follow us’?</p>
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		<title>By: dude</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-715402</link>
		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 17:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-714931&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;spurious @ 25&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-714906&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 11&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;One should always be suspicious of “patriotism” whether it be in one’s own breast or anothers. It is the emotional engine of the worst in man. Flags are for armies - armies are to inflict death. Patriotism and war are inseparable..war and death are inseparable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not  a pacifist- but I support war as only a last resort in self defense or in the defense of the helpless. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Few wars meet my criteria.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does patriotism equate with a desire to go to war?  The present task of real patriots is to take back the country and reinstate the Constitution.  The flag-waving warlike idiocy of the Bushites is a perversion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like Sen Edwards’ remark to the ffect that “it’s time patriotism be about something other than going to war”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-714931"><em>spurious @ 25</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-714906"><em>rwcole @ 11</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>One should always be suspicious of “patriotism” whether it be in one’s own breast or anothers. It is the emotional engine of the worst in man. Flags are for armies &#8211; armies are to inflict death. Patriotism and war are inseparable..war and death are inseparable.</p>
<p>I am not  a pacifist- but I support war as only a last resort in self defense or in the defense of the helpless. </p>
<p>Few wars meet my criteria.</p>
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<p>Does patriotism equate with a desire to go to war?  The present task of real patriots is to take back the country and reinstate the Constitution.  The flag-waving warlike idiocy of the Bushites is a perversion.</p>
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<p>I like Sen Edwards’ remark to the ffect that “it’s time patriotism be about something other than going to war”.</p>
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		<title>By: SWR</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-715385</link>
		<dc:creator>SWR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 17:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-714927&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Biodun @ 22&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But I have to say this: the US is the most multiethnic multicultural country in history. It is the only country that reflects the world. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/justice-is-not-an-afterthought/#comment-685648&quot;&gt;Here’s what I wrote a couple of weeks ago about the appropriation of the US flag by the Right&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, my GOD, belly-button gaze much?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have you ever even &lt;i&gt;heard&lt;/i&gt; of Canada or Australia? Per capita Canada is &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; more culturally diverse than the US. Not only that, they have a better attitude to diversity than we do. Nobody there has a freaking nervous breakdown about signage in third languages (English and French being the official ones). Lou Dobbs would have a stroke there. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;God, our insularity is apalling. No wonder you’re oblivious to how we are viewed by the rest of the world.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-714927"><em>Biodun @ 22</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>But I have to say this: the US is the most multiethnic multicultural country in history. It is the only country that reflects the world. <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/justice-is-not-an-afterthought/#comment-685648">Here’s what I wrote a couple of weeks ago about the appropriation of the US flag by the Right</a>.</p>
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<p>Oh, my GOD, belly-button gaze much?</p>
<p>Have you ever even <i>heard</i> of Canada or Australia? Per capita Canada is <i>much</i> more culturally diverse than the US. Not only that, they have a better attitude to diversity than we do. Nobody there has a freaking nervous breakdown about signage in third languages (English and French being the official ones). Lou Dobbs would have a stroke there. </p>
<p>God, our insularity is apalling. No wonder you’re oblivious to how we are viewed by the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Biodun</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-715065</link>
		<dc:creator>Biodun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism&quot;&gt;From wiki&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Patriotism usually applies to a nation and/or a nation-state. Patriotism covers such attitudes as: pride in its achievements and culture, the desire to preserve its character and the basis of the culture, and identification with other members of the nation. &lt;b&gt;Patriotism &lt;/b&gt;is closely associated with &lt;b&gt;nationalism&lt;/b&gt;, and is often used as a synonym for it. Strictly speaking, &lt;b&gt;nationalism is an ideology &lt;/b&gt;- but it often promotes patriotic attitudes as desirable and appropriate.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My bold.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism">From wiki</a>:</p>
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Patriotism usually applies to a nation and/or a nation-state. Patriotism covers such attitudes as: pride in its achievements and culture, the desire to preserve its character and the basis of the culture, and identification with other members of the nation. <b>Patriotism </b>is closely associated with <b>nationalism</b>, and is often used as a synonym for it. Strictly speaking, <b>nationalism is an ideology </b>- but it often promotes patriotic attitudes as desirable and appropriate.
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<p>My bold.</p>
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		<title>By: spurious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-715052</link>
		<dc:creator>spurious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-714969&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;earlofhuntingdon @ 43&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Excellent post by Juan Cole today, which also cites an article by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/The_Powerful_Odor_of_Mendacity:_From_Wiretaps_to_War/&quot;&gt;Chris Floyd&lt;/a&gt; at Empire Burlesque.  A sample: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But consider: every single lie told by the Bush Faction has masked a reality more sinister than most American citizens could have imagined. “Compassionate conservatism” really was a cynical scam for ruthless corporate predation, callous disregard and a savage, ideological assault on the very notion of a “common good” — all exemplified in the Katrina disaster. The Bushists really did lie about “weapons of mass destruction” and al Qaeda ties in order to launch a war of aggression against Iraq. Bush really did lie, knowingly and repeatedly and publicly, about the mass surveillance he is conducting upon the American people, as Greenwald has shown so clearly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Bush’s whole MO is about deception.  Cassie was working on a list of ‘what Bush calls it’ vs. ‘what it actually does’ (can’t find the link).  Truly disgusting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-714969"><em>earlofhuntingdon @ 43</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Excellent post by Juan Cole today, which also cites an article by <a href="http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/The_Powerful_Odor_of_Mendacity:_From_Wiretaps_to_War/">Chris Floyd</a> at Empire Burlesque.  A sample: </p>
<blockquote><p>But consider: every single lie told by the Bush Faction has masked a reality more sinister than most American citizens could have imagined. “Compassionate conservatism” really was a cynical scam for ruthless corporate predation, callous disregard and a savage, ideological assault on the very notion of a “common good” — all exemplified in the Katrina disaster. The Bushists really did lie about “weapons of mass destruction” and al Qaeda ties in order to launch a war of aggression against Iraq. Bush really did lie, knowingly and repeatedly and publicly, about the mass surveillance he is conducting upon the American people, as Greenwald has shown so clearly.</p>
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<p>Bush’s whole MO is about deception.  Cassie was working on a list of ‘what Bush calls it’ vs. ‘what it actually does’ (can’t find the link).  Truly disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: Biodun</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-715043</link>
		<dc:creator>Biodun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rayne @ 33:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well said. I couldn’t agree with you more about that distinction between patriotism and nationalism. For emergent third-world nation-states, nationalism was the passion and vehicle that helped liberate them from colonialism. But sadly, some of these postcolonial states are still neocolonial.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rayne @ 33:</p>
<p>Well said. I couldn’t agree with you more about that distinction between patriotism and nationalism. For emergent third-world nation-states, nationalism was the passion and vehicle that helped liberate them from colonialism. But sadly, some of these postcolonial states are still neocolonial.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/24/defending-our-america/#comment-715013</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rayne, you are a raging fire today!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I’m just gonna follow you around and go “what she said!”&lt;/em&gt; ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rayne, you are a raging fire today!</p>
<p><em>I’m just gonna follow you around and go “what she said!”</em> ;)</p>
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