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		<title>By: Sparkles the Iguana</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-712920</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparkles the Iguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 20:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, LHP.   Great post.  It’s always fun to get your insider legal insight.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, LHP.   Great post.  It’s always fun to get your insider legal insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Liberal-at-large</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-710838</link>
		<dc:creator>Liberal-at-large</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Brava!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you, thank you, thank you, lhp.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brava!</p>
<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you, lhp.</p>
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		<title>By: Organic George</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-710760</link>
		<dc:creator>Organic George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Bush administration is face of fascism in America.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the 4th estate is still trying to be fair and balanced.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The rise of the bogs, at this point and time, has been nothing short of a miracle.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks to everyone in the liberal blogosphere&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush administration is face of fascism in America.</p>
<p>But the 4th estate is still trying to be fair and balanced.  </p>
<p>The rise of the bogs, at this point and time, has been nothing short of a miracle.</p>
<p>Thanks to everyone in the liberal blogosphere</p>
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		<title>By: Rainer Vogel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-710726</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainer Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-710374&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RevDeb @ 1&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;YES&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The answer lies not in changing the system but in changing the bad actors who have polluted the system.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A system that depends on the “good-will” of those acting inside is a catastrophe. So much for the idea of checks and balances. Let alone majority rule. Allow this question: What are these wise owls mentioned above doing to stop Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and the rest. They talk…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-710374"><em>RevDeb @ 1</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>YES</p>
<p>The answer lies not in changing the system but in changing the bad actors who have polluted the system.</p>
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<p>A system that depends on the “good-will” of those acting inside is a catastrophe. So much for the idea of checks and balances. Let alone majority rule. Allow this question: What are these wise owls mentioned above doing to stop Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and the rest. They talk…</p>
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		<title>By: turkish bill</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-710708</link>
		<dc:creator>turkish bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-710394&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;looseheadprop @ 12&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I realize that the peice is very depressing. It is depressing. Not one person approved of what was happening and for many it was the stuff of tragedy.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;More depressing if some *had* approved, though, no?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘there hasn’t been a wanker in generations.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LHP - more ‘politically correct’ - and less likely to get caught in spam filters if you refer to onanists as ‘winkers’? (think of it said with an antipodean accent to get the full effect).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-710394"><em>looseheadprop @ 12</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I realize that the peice is very depressing. It is depressing. Not one person approved of what was happening and for many it was the stuff of tragedy.</p>
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<p>More depressing if some *had* approved, though, no?</p>
<p>‘there hasn’t been a wanker in generations.’</p>
<p>LHP &#8211; more ‘politically correct’ &#8211; and less likely to get caught in spam filters if you refer to onanists as ‘winkers’? (think of it said with an antipodean accent to get the full effect).</p>
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		<title>By: SB_Gypsy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-710691</link>
		<dc:creator>SB_Gypsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;He said “GOOD PEOPLE can make this system work.” &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…and that’s the problem, isn’t it? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think we need a DOJ that’s FOOLproof, NOT one that needs enough integrity in it’s leaders, since leaders in our country seem to have a problem with integrity and conflicts of interest… because Corporations have more $$power$$ than We The People.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He said “GOOD PEOPLE can make this system work.” </i></p>
<p>…and that’s the problem, isn’t it? </p>
<p>I think we need a DOJ that’s FOOLproof, NOT one that needs enough integrity in it’s leaders, since leaders in our country seem to have a problem with integrity and conflicts of interest… because Corporations have more $$power$$ than We The People.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank33</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-710633</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-710493&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RevDeb @ 84&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It looks like Wolfie and his mistress &lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/23/wolfowitz-loses-his-joband-his-girlfriend/&quot;&gt;split&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Too bad. Anybody think his wife will take him back?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&amp;entry_id=16585&quot;&gt;anger management issues&lt;/a&gt; here. But there is no evidence that Riza has ever done anything…other than “Iraqi Reconstruction”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wolfowitz is now implying that Riza is to blame for the whole mess with her implacable demands.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ethics committee members “did not want to deal with a very angry Ms. Riza, whose career was being damaged as a result of their decision” Wolfowitz wrote in his response to the committee report. “It would only be human nature for them to want to steer clear of her.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wolfowitz, again describing Riza as “extremely angry and upset” blamed her for an “intractable position” regarding her salary and job, saying he was forced to grant her a promotion and increase because she was threatening a lawsuit
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is a link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.persiancarpetguide.com/sw-asia/People/Bio976a.htm&quot;&gt;Clare&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-710493"><em>RevDeb @ 84</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT again.</p>
<p>It looks like Wolfie and his mistress <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/23/wolfowitz-loses-his-joband-his-girlfriend/">split</a>.</p>
<p>Too bad. Anybody think his wife will take him back?</p>
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<p>There are some <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&amp;entry_id=16585">anger management issues</a> here. But there is no evidence that Riza has ever done anything…other than “Iraqi Reconstruction”.</p>
<blockquote><p>Wolfowitz is now implying that Riza is to blame for the whole mess with her implacable demands.</p>
<p>The ethics committee members “did not want to deal with a very angry Ms. Riza, whose career was being damaged as a result of their decision” Wolfowitz wrote in his response to the committee report. “It would only be human nature for them to want to steer clear of her.”</p>
<p>Wolfowitz, again describing Riza as “extremely angry and upset” blamed her for an “intractable position” regarding her salary and job, saying he was forced to grant her a promotion and increase because she was threatening a lawsuit
</p>
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<p>Here is a link to <a href="http://www.persiancarpetguide.com/sw-asia/People/Bio976a.htm">Clare</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-710619</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-710520&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 106&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nice post LHP.  I’ve been home sick for a couple of days.  What time is Monica up and is it live anywhere?  Sorry for the question.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;egregious said on CSPAN 3&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-710520"><em>ccmask @ 106</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Nice post LHP.  I’ve been home sick for a couple of days.  What time is Monica up and is it live anywhere?  Sorry for the question.</p>
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<p>egregious said on CSPAN 3</p>
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		<title>By: LBrowne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-710617</link>
		<dc:creator>LBrowne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-710500&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;JHC @ 89&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is encouraging to hear that everyone on this panel “gets it.”  One of the things that I have found so frustrating about the coverage of this scandal in the media is the apparent assumption that injecting politics into the DOJ is no big deal.  As a lawyer, I recognized the seriousness of it immediately and was really surprised and disappointed by the frequent “they didn’t do anything illegal or wrong” take on this.  Sometimes, I feel like the entire citizenry of this country needs a course in civics, starting with the media of course!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I suspect a good deal of the citizenry &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; get it, but the media is trying to disabuse us of our “quaint” notions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-710500"><em>JHC @ 89</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>It is encouraging to hear that everyone on this panel “gets it.”  One of the things that I have found so frustrating about the coverage of this scandal in the media is the apparent assumption that injecting politics into the DOJ is no big deal.  As a lawyer, I recognized the seriousness of it immediately and was really surprised and disappointed by the frequent “they didn’t do anything illegal or wrong” take on this.  Sometimes, I feel like the entire citizenry of this country needs a course in civics, starting with the media of course!</p>
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<p>I suspect a good deal of the citizenry <em>does</em> get it, but the media is trying to disabuse us of our “quaint” notions.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandrake</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/older-and-wiser-heads/#comment-710614</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-710567&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RockPaperScizzors @ 140&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;House judiciary committee on cspan. Live camera on Monica Goodling&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s okay - I think Feingold is hot.  Of course, he has &lt;em&gt;principles&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;integrity&lt;/em&gt; which is part of the attraction.  I realize that sorta stuff just doesn’t matter to men.  ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>House judiciary committee on cspan. Live camera on Monica Goodling</p>
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<p>That’s okay &#8211; I think Feingold is hot.  Of course, he has <em>principles</em> and <em>integrity</em> which is part of the attraction.  I realize that sorta stuff just doesn’t matter to men.  ;)</p>
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