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	<title>Comments on: Monica Goodling Testimony, Part VII</title>
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		<title>By: Plantsman1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/monica-goodling-testimony-part-vii/#comment-714575</link>
		<dc:creator>Plantsman1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 06:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, credit where credit is due, and all that, but don’t get too excited about Rep. Davis. Google “Artur Davis DLC”. You’ll see what I mean.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, credit where credit is due, and all that, but don’t get too excited about Rep. Davis. Google “Artur Davis DLC”. You’ll see what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/monica-goodling-testimony-part-vii/#comment-713806</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 01:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-713136&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Petrocelli @ 324&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712819&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Peterr @ 213&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;There was also a military tribunal involved, as well as some torture at the hands of military guards.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, so there &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; a precedent to Gitmo. &lt;b&gt; *g*&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah and you know how that worked out…in the end the pagans, er dirty fucking hippies took over. Yeah!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now (if you are Italian) you can get good food and vote for your leader in Italia.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-713136"><em>Petrocelli @ 324</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-712819"><em>Peterr @ 213</em></a></p>
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<p>There was also a military tribunal involved, as well as some torture at the hands of military guards.</p>
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<p>Oh, so there <em>was</em> a precedent to Gitmo. <b> *g*</b></p>
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<p>Yeah and you know how that worked out…in the end the pagans, er dirty fucking hippies took over. Yeah!</p>
<p>Now (if you are Italian) you can get good food and vote for your leader in Italia.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/monica-goodling-testimony-part-vii/#comment-713775</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 00:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712830&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;emptywheel @ 224&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712819&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Peterr @ 216&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;There was also a military tribunal involved, as well as some torture at the hands of military guards.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the arbitrary designation of someone as a terrorist solely on the basis of his ethnic and religious profile.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In jail they didn’t even let him have a Bible.  :-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-712830"><em>emptywheel @ 224</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-712819"><em>Peterr @ 216</em></a></p>
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<p>There was also a military tribunal involved, as well as some torture at the hands of military guards.</p>
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<p>And the arbitrary designation of someone as a terrorist solely on the basis of his ethnic and religious profile.</p>
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<p>In jail they didn’t even let him have a Bible.  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Waccamaw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/monica-goodling-testimony-part-vii/#comment-713300</link>
		<dc:creator>Waccamaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;twolf @ 1:44 -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Darlin’, one’na these days I’m gonna track you down *in person* just to find out how you do that “instant recall” stuff. ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Darlin’, one’na these days I’m gonna track you down *in person* just to find out how you do that “instant recall” stuff. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/monica-goodling-testimony-part-vii/#comment-713298</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712795&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LIBERAL TexBetsy @ 191&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712785&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Tom Steele @ 179&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The way she hissed that dirty word “liberal” makes me think she wasn’t paying attention at God’s Own Law School; Jesus was a liberal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bite your tongue!  Not according to what her teachers taught.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;LIBERAL TexBetsy,&lt;br /&gt;
Howdy! Have you re-branded yourself? :-)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-712795"><em>LIBERAL TexBetsy @ 191</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-712785"><em>Tom Steele @ 179</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The way she hissed that dirty word “liberal” makes me think she wasn’t paying attention at God’s Own Law School; Jesus was a liberal.</p>
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<p>Bite your tongue!  Not according to what her teachers taught.</p>
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<p>LIBERAL TexBetsy,<br />
Howdy! Have you re-branded yourself? :-)</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/monica-goodling-testimony-part-vii/#comment-713265</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712779&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brisingamen @ 176&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI @163: Wonder how many of them have Karl Rove’s email address on them?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is the $60,000 question. I’ll bet some of them are in that archive that no longer exist anywhere else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-712779"><em>Brisingamen @ 176</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Bob in HI @163: Wonder how many of them have Karl Rove’s email address on them?</p>
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<p>That is the $60,000 question. I’ll bet some of them are in that archive that no longer exist anywhere else.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/monica-goodling-testimony-part-vii/#comment-713243</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712767&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Peterr @ 164&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712748&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bustednuckles @ 146&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Question.&lt;br /&gt;
Who actually would draw up potential charges in regards to Abu obstructing,this committee or another body?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This committee. Or, it is possible that another member of the house would draft them, and they would then be referred to this committee for hearings, amendments, and possible action. From here, if/when approved, they would go to the full house for a vote.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But we don’t have to wait. For example, a whole pile of people have not waited to formulate Articles of Impeachment against Bush (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.impeachpac.org/?q=articles&quot;&gt;ImpeachPAC&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
and &lt;a href=&quot;http://priming-the-pump.wikispaces.com/&quot;&gt;Priming the Pump!&lt;/a&gt;. That’s the whole idea behind looseheadprop’s suggestion to form a virtual think tank to formulate impeachment charges, thereby &lt;a href=&quot;http://priming-the-pump.wikispaces.com/&quot;&gt;priming the pump!&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-712767"><em>Peterr @ 164</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-712748"><em>Bustednuckles @ 146</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Question.<br />
Who actually would draw up potential charges in regards to Abu obstructing,this committee or another body?</p>
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<p>This committee. Or, it is possible that another member of the house would draft them, and they would then be referred to this committee for hearings, amendments, and possible action. From here, if/when approved, they would go to the full house for a vote.</p>
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<p>But we don’t have to wait. For example, a whole pile of people have not waited to formulate Articles of Impeachment against Bush (see <a href="http://www.impeachpac.org/?q=articles">ImpeachPAC</a><br />
and <a href="http://priming-the-pump.wikispaces.com/">Priming the Pump!</a>. That’s the whole idea behind looseheadprop’s suggestion to form a virtual think tank to formulate impeachment charges, thereby <a href="http://priming-the-pump.wikispaces.com/">priming the pump!</a>.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/monica-goodling-testimony-part-vii/#comment-713200</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712762&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 160&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712739&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;phred @ 142&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ripping off Native American resources is almost certainly involved as well, so don’t forget to include Cheney, Abramoff, and the mysterious Energy Task Force as well…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Estimates range from a mere 200 billion, to a plausible trillion, to as much as 7 trillion with interest as to how much has been stolen from tribal royalties.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Probably no one would break the law to prevent that information from coming out, tho, right?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What bothers me no end is that Bruce Babbitt had 8 years under Clinton to fix that mess, and didn’t. To make matters worse, it didn’t even really seem that he was trying all that hard.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-712762"><em>egregious @ 160</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-712739"><em>phred @ 142</em></a></p>
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<p>Ripping off Native American resources is almost certainly involved as well, so don’t forget to include Cheney, Abramoff, and the mysterious Energy Task Force as well…</p>
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<p>Estimates range from a mere 200 billion, to a plausible trillion, to as much as 7 trillion with interest as to how much has been stolen from tribal royalties.  </p>
<p>Probably no one would break the law to prevent that information from coming out, tho, right?</p>
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<p>What bothers me no end is that Bruce Babbitt had 8 years under Clinton to fix that mess, and didn’t. To make matters worse, it didn’t even really seem that he was trying all that hard.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/23/monica-goodling-testimony-part-vii/#comment-713168</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712756&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ed*ard Teller @ 155&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-712733&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 136&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What happened in MT, not enough Indians to matter or did the USA cave?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Close US Senate race.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are the ten states with highest Native American populations:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Alaska 16%&lt;br /&gt;
New Mexico 10.2%&lt;br /&gt;
South Dakota 8.8%&lt;br /&gt;
Oklahoma 8.1%&lt;br /&gt;
Montana 6.5%&lt;br /&gt;
North Dakota 5.3%&lt;br /&gt;
Arizona 5.1%&lt;br /&gt;
Wyoming 2.7%&lt;br /&gt;
Washington 1.7%&lt;br /&gt;
Idaho 1.4%&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hawaii has 9% Native Hawaiian population&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those must be under-counts. I’ve lived in AZ and NM, and now live in HI. How is “Native American” defined in those %? And what is the date on those numbers? Is it based on the old census rule that required only one race/ethnicity per person, or based on the current “check all that apply” rule?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Besides, in NM its practically impossible to distinguish between Hispanics and Indians (who have been living together there for more than 300 years). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, don’t have my reference books available to cross-check.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-712756"><em>Ed*ard Teller @ 155</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-712733"><em>egregious @ 136</em></a></p>
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<p>What happened in MT, not enough Indians to matter or did the USA cave?</p>
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<p>Close US Senate race.</p>
<p>Here are the ten states with highest Native American populations:</p>
<p>Alaska 16%<br />
New Mexico 10.2%<br />
South Dakota 8.8%<br />
Oklahoma 8.1%<br />
Montana 6.5%<br />
North Dakota 5.3%<br />
Arizona 5.1%<br />
Wyoming 2.7%<br />
Washington 1.7%<br />
Idaho 1.4%</p>
<p>Hawaii has 9% Native Hawaiian population</p>
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<p>Those must be under-counts. I’ve lived in AZ and NM, and now live in HI. How is “Native American” defined in those %? And what is the date on those numbers? Is it based on the old census rule that required only one race/ethnicity per person, or based on the current “check all that apply” rule?</p>
<p>Besides, in NM its practically impossible to distinguish between Hispanics and Indians (who have been living together there for more than 300 years). </p>
<p>Sorry, don’t have my reference books available to cross-check.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: tbsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What to do about all this lying to congress.  It’s obvious McNulty and Gonzo both lied their asses off.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What to do about all this lying to congress.  It’s obvious McNulty and Gonzo both lied their asses off.</p>
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