It looks like the British authorities have made their decision as to who will be charged in the poisoning death of former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko. It is, as I reporteded here, Litvinenko's supposed friend and associate, Andrei Lugovoi who Litvinenko met with on multiple occasions around the date of the actual poisoning, which was carried out using a deadly form of the radioactive isotope Polonium-210 in a pot of tea.
From the Epoch Times UK:
Prosecutors are demanding that a former KGB agent be extradited from Russia to stand trial for the murder of Alexander Litvinenko.
The move, which has the full support of Downing Street, is likely to ratchet-up already strained diplomatic tensions between Britain and Russia.
Director of UK Public Prosecutions, Sir Ken Macdonald said: "I have today concluded that the evidence sent to us by the police is sufficient to charge Andrey Lugovoy with the murder of Mr Litvinenko by deliberate poisoning.
"I have further concluded that a prosecution of this case would clearly be in the public interest."
There's just one problem with that. Lugovoi has left London to return to Moscow and start his own security firm. And the Kremlin refuses to cooperate with the investigation.
The Russian ambassador was called into the Foreign Office on Tuesday morning, in the words of a Downing Street official, to "underline our view that Russia should comply with that legal request"
"Murder is murder," said the Prime Minister's spokesman, responding to questions about the diplomatic implications of the request by stressing the need for the international rule of law to be respected.
Russia has no formal extradition treaty specifically with the UK. The spokesman for the Prime Minister said the UK's extradition relations with Russia were based on the 2001 European Convention on Extradition and the 1957 Council of Europe convention
A spokeswoman for the Russian prosecutor's office said: "In accordance with Russian law, citizens of Russia cannot be turned over to foreign states."
She said that Lugovoi could be tried in Russia—with the evidence provided by the UK prosecution service.
Okay, I guess. Except that given the Russian media's silence and the lack of prosecution in the former Soviet Union with regards to the Putin government's nasty habit of murdering its critics, I would say that Andrei Lugovoi's chances of getting a fair trial in Moscow rank only slightly higher than a detainee's chances of getting a fair trial at Guantanamo. Yes, there is a government on this planet that's more obstructionist, obfuscatory, mulish, authoritarian, secretive, and criminal than the Bush regime. But of course, if our own President "I'm The Commander Guy" thought he could get away with half of what Putin's government does on a daily basis, he'd already have done it all twice over.
Litvinenko's widow Marina says she's glad of the prosecution, and grateful to British authorities for handling the grisly case quickly and decisively. (Again, here's proof that the FBI, CIA, and Homeland Security had nothing to do with investigating this crime. It has actually been solved, conclusively ruling out the involvement of US law enforcement.)
LONDON, May 22 (Reuters) – The widow of poisoned former Russian agent Alexander Litvinenko met Russia's ambassador in London on Tuesday and got no response to calls for the man charged with her husband's murder to be extradited.
Marina Litvinenko met the ambassador after Britain's Crown Prosecution Service said it would demand the extradition of Andrei Lugovoy, another former Russian agent, for the murder by deliberate radiation poisoning of Litvinenko, who suffered a slow death in a London hospital last year. "It was not an easy meeting for him because I asked him his opinion about the extradition of Mr Lugovoy from Russia," she told British television. "He did not answer me, because it's not his decision." Russian judicial sources have ruled out handing over Lugovoy. Litvinenko's widow said she would continue to fight for justice for herself and her son. She said she did not believe responsibility for her husband's murder lay with one person.
But that brings us back to the essential question underlying this whole story. Why? Why was the Kremlin purportedly so eager to see Litvinenko dead? If it was, in fact, the Kremlin. I did, at one point, posit that this may have been the work of yet another party anxious to create mistrust and international hostility toward the Putin regime.
Here are two (and a half) theories courtesy of The Guardian UK:
Theory one
The Kremlin ordered his murder. This, the most obvious explanation, was put by Litvinenko's associates after his death, though it is strenuously denied by the Kremlin.By this theory Mr Lugovoi, a former KGB agent, was hired to murder Litvinenko. The motive was revenge – with Litvenenko regarded as a traitor by his former colleagues in Russia's powerful federal security services.
The method chosen was poison – a favourite KGB tactic perfected during the cold war. In this case, however, it is not clear whether Mr Lugovoi realised that polonium-210 would leave behind a radioactive trail, or whether he thought that he had hit upon the perfect murder.
Occam and critics of Putin would like this to be the truth, since it is the simplest explanation. But there is a competing theory:
Theory two
Boris Berezovsky had Litvinenko killed to discredit Mr Putin. This is the most common view in Russia. It is vehemently denied by Mr Berezovsky, but is assiduously repeated on state-run TV stations and media.By this theory, Mr Berezovsky, the Kremlin's public enemy number one, had Litvinenko killed as part of a negative PR operation to embarrass and humiliate Russia. Mr Berezovsky has lived in exile in Britain since 2002, when he fell out with Mr Putin. He has made no secret of his desire to overthrow the Russian regime, telling the Guardian in April, admittedly well after the death of his friend Litvinenko in November, he was plotting a violent revolution against the state. Supporters of this theory say Mr Berezovksy had far more to gain from the murder than did Mr Putin.
I know it sounds a little crazy, but I really think this is where we need to go with our thinking about this case. Something about the sloppiness of the crime just bothers me. There were multiple attempts to poison Litvinenko, some of which contaminated innocent bystanders. (Dr. Hillhouse at The Spy Who Billed Me has more on this.) It seems clear to me that someone was sending a message to someone here, otherwise the crime would have been committed in the dark, behind closed doors, in some less public, less spectacular way.
But finally, there is one more theory:
Theory three
The murder of Litvinenko was a non-state level operation by Mr Lugovoi for reasons not clear – he took it upon himself, out of either patriotic or criminal motives. Almost certainly the operation was bungled, so the theory goes, with Mr Lugovoi unaware suspicion would fall immediately on him.He and fellow businessman Dmitry Kovtun both claim Litvinenko poisoned them, and they are the true targets.
And that's just kind of weird. But at least, Lugovoi isn't just shrugging and grinning sheepishly while he claims not to recall everything shy of his own name like our own AG Gone-zales. But that's another post for another night.
Kids, questions? Answers? Anybody care for a mint?
I'll be very interested to see how this plays out in diplomatic relations between Russia and the UK. This is the most openly hostile set of conditions we have seen since the "end" of the "Cold War". The Death of Communism looks like another trademark GOP stop-gap project where once the various corporations and oligarchs take their cut, it's more like just The Tired Feeling of Communism, followed by The Renaissance of Russian Totalitarianism (i.e., You Got a Problem With That, Comrade?).
This story is so complicated as to be downright Byzantine, but I will be following it as closely as I can, and keeping you guys abreast of what I find out.



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Zed??
Good Evening TRex, I am having a cup of tea right now. How was your day?
SnarKassandra @ 3
Cassie, you will need to study with the Zedi master (LOLO) in order to become one with the net if you wish to capture the zed.
lolo @ 5
Hopefully not with any mysterious Russians (prosaic Russians are OK).
DrDick @ 6
i need to sent my alarm clock 2 minutes earlier
hola, TRex. I thought of you when I saw this story this morning…
Theory one it is. No doubt about it.
SnarKassandra @ 3
Hey are you off restriction??? Missed you last night.
lolo
You know, TRex worked really hard to put this post together and all you guys can talk about is zed heaven. (You never know where late nite will take us.)
New posts up at YouthINKLeft
lolo @ 10
I missed all of you too!!!!!!!
DrDick @ 7
No, just some loose darjeeling with stevia.
I’m one with EPU apparently –
see #304 last thread for .02
well.. perhaps Goodling’s shrubco handlers figure that they could use some of that KGB magic powder about now :P
Good evening all, good evening TRex. Wow, that’s a lot of heavy stuff in this post! Good stuff and very interesting. And yes, Byzantine!
SnarKassandra @ 12
Other first you do not want to have:
Lowest life expectancy in the industrialized world.
Most Expensive healthcare in the industrialized world.
Highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world.
Highest incarceration rate in the industrialized world.
Least time taken for vacation in the industrialized world.
(silently sliding into the waters of the lake) well, today has been a pisser of a day. thank goodness for the cool, soothing waters of the lake.
TRex, I was just wondering this week what was going on in this case. Thanks for the update.
SnarKassandra @ 4
2 days Cassie, is all I’m sayin’… :-)
DrDick @ 18
Can you please leave that as a comment? Also, where is that from?
TribeScribe, I’m EPU’d after you. Threw in my two cents also.
Now to pass it along to Gramma Nancy in DC. I think I’ll use the politer version that I sent Boxer.
I just don’t think it was the Kremlin. I may be way off base here, but it seems to me that if the Kremlin wanted Litvinenko out of the way, there were far easier ways to do it than transporting highly dangerous radioactive materials to London. They could have just shot him and dumped his body in an alley.
I’m thinking oligarch with an anti-Kremlin agenda. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Goddamn, my head hurts tonight, and the Advil bottle is at home.
TRex -
Do you really think that they will ever get to the bottom of this? It seems pretty obvious that the killer was a hired hand, but the employer seems very well insulated. Conditions in Russia today do not promote transparency of the sort needed to move beyond the small fry.
Hi Suzanne, this has been a pisser of a day. Tonight I’m thinking of the Lake as sort of a healing spa environment.
Suzanne @ 21
Well, glad the water’s to your liking. Though we do miss your gymnastic, high degree-of-difficulty entrances!
LoudounLib @ 25
I have cucumber bubble bath.
DrDick @ 25
What are you suggesting–that Putin and his government have control of the apparatus of Justice in his country?
OT — but oh jeebus, just now on the news they showed a gas station sign in Cicero, IL with regular gas at 4.09!!!
Everyone clean up their dinner dishes????
Hi friends!
So Iran is the new Cambodia now?
F*cking Hell…And of course Elliott Abrams is involved.
>:-(
Mutant, I’m too forking pissed right now to dive.
Corry342 @ 30
Thank goodness that can’t happen here…
Suzanne @ 34
You OK?
Suzanne @ 34
That’s what cannonballs are for, m’dear.
SnarKassandra @ 23
I would be glad to leave it as a comment. It is actually from a variety of different sources (some of it is material I use in lectures). I can try to track them down for you, though it might take me a day or two.
Mutant Poodle — heh! ;-)
I’m OK, just totally pissed politically.
Evenin’ Betsy
TexBetsy @ 32
Had leftover salmon salad from lunch – no dishes – can I stay?
It’s FDL late night, and I have low expectations for Monica tomorrow, and I’m cranky about Iraq….
My soundbite question for tomorrow at HJC would be:
“Ms. Goodling, what is it about you that makes me think you have never had an orgasm?”
(and the answer would be, “I think they’re yucky.”)
i’ll take a mint plz ty >:]
Wait, wait — theory three is really theory three-A and theory three-B, right? 3A: it was a rogue operation by Lugovoi. 3B: Litvinenko poisoned Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun. Do we discount completely theory 3B?
I like 3A — the rogue operation, since it leaves open the possibility that Lugovoi was operating on behalf of, or to impress, any number of states or non-state entities.
Who has the most to gain by driving a wedge between a post-Blair UK and Russia?
DrDick @ 36
no, that’s OK. thanks
Corry342 @ 30
Only that the country is so pervasively corrupt (between Putin, the Oligarchs, and the Russian mafia) and its institutions so disfunctional that justice is at best an accident.
TRex @ 25
Makes a case for carrying a purse.
Nothing over at Dr. Hillhouse’s Spy Who Billed Me, TRex. I think you scooped the spook :)
TexBetsy @ 32
Yep! Even dried and put them up already. Learned my lesson last night.
DrDick @ 26
Well, if or when it comes to trial, we’ll just have to send me to London to live-blog it so we can find out.
TRex @ 25
So, you’re going with 2, but not necessarily Berezovsky? There are other exiled oligarchs with this power? Doesn’t the London location point to an effort by others to paint Berezovsky as involved?
TRex @ 24
IMHO, the problem is the polonium. it is fairly tightly controlled in large quantities and all the surviving in-russia oligarchs would not risk acting against putin right now. an out-of-russia oligarch would have problems getting the stuff.
And during the cold war, russian agents regularly used outre, hard to duplicate methods of executing double agents and defectors, as a warning to others. “Russian is the best language in the world to be paranoid in.”
TRex @ 50
Oooohhhh, I love London…can I tag along and play assistant?
Does the ENTIRE WORLD know that I skipped out on dishes to talk on the phone last night?? AGHHHHHHHH
Trex Holmes, older and bigger brother of Sherlock is on the case. He only needs Marcy Marple to reconstruct all the timelines for him and the the game is a foot!
Berezhovsky, who doesn’t want to get extradited back to Moscow.
Suzanne @ 32
Come here so I can give you a hug. What happened to you Suzanne?? Tell us so you can feel better. We will make you laugh. I promise.
lolo
SnarKassandra @ 55
The word got out somehow… .
Byzantine is the right word for this mess, TRex.
The kicker for me is the weapon. You don’t just find Polonium-210 at the local bait and tackle shop, on the shelf behind the counter next to the rifle ammo.
The Guardian put it like this last November:
To me, this points away from theory three.
But you’re right about the biggest thing of all: someone wanted to make An Example out of Alexander. They wanted this to be noticed, to put others on notice.
SnarKassandra @ 54
FDL’ers are a gossipy bunch. (hangs head in shame…)
FWIW, I agree that this whole episode was too clumsily done to be state sponsored – I think if that was the case, Litvinenko would have simply disappeared.
I lean towards 2, which means that Lugovoi is alive because his death would be too suspicious…oh, dammit Loo Hoo, got any extra advil in your purse?
Alfred, I think you may be correct. The Russians like to be all James Bond-y in their outside of Russia assassinations. I’m thinking of the poison umbrella tip case – also in London.
SnarKassandra @ 55
QWell, maybe not entire world, but everyone who counts. ; )
SnarKassandra @ 55
We do now!
SnarKassandra @ 55
After it was mentioned last night, you wouldn’t believe how many folks tiptoed back into the kitchen to do a little cleaning up, so as not to lose their commenting priveleges either.
darkblack @ 33
Wow, the comments over there are BRUTAL. Methinks teh base is stirred up by the betrayal on immigration. Their wrath at Brian Ross and Mickey Mouse for telling CIA secrets is fierce!
Suzanne @ 62
Exactly. And thanks for the SWBM link; I read her stuff religiously but never thought to look for a web site. Oh, and don’t believe that “never recruited” line. she’s a pro and pros that good get that way by having sanction from SOMEBODY. Doesn’t make me respect her less, rather more…
Peterr @ 64
well OK then
Too strange this case. Too many strange things going on, Guess I’ll take an Advil, Mutant Poodle.
AZ Matt @ 59
And it really is a very small world after all.
Ot:
I dont know if anyone else has noted this
but tomorrow the WAPOis having a live chat with David Iglesias live chat at
1200 Est.
(back to lurking).
I don’t think this has anything to do with driving a wedge between Putin and Blair (or Russia and the UK). This was internal Russian hardball, and since Litvinenko was in London, that’s where the hit went down. If he’d been in Paris, they’d have gone there to do it.
Sorry I’m late, but I was doing dishes.
-GSD
Alfred, I found her site the night TRex first posted about this case. Dr. Hillhouse joined in the comments here. I hoping she slides in for a bit – would love to hear her thoughts on it.
lolo @ 58
OK, how about bad jokes for Suzanne night?
Rene Descartes, 17th Century French philosopher, stops by McDonalds for a bite. He goes to the counter and orders a Big Mac, Hot Apple Pie, and a coke.
The clerk behind the counter asks, “Would you like fries with that, sir?”
Descartes considers the question, replies, “I think not,” and disappears.
SnarKassandra @ 55
Well, now we do.
All we knew, until your explanation, was that you weren’t commenting because some dishes hadn’t gotten done. Which, incidentally, resulted in some quite clean kitchens at lakeside!
help pick hillary’s alternative campaign theme song over at skippy! vote for your favorite, and winner gets a skippy tee shirt.
skippy, i just happen to be wearing my skippy tshirt tonight (waving)
TeddySanFran @ 77
I make good use of those secret govt webcams in all of your homes. :)
Mutant Poodle @ 62
And Peterr@60
I agree that it seems a bit sloppy for a state sponsored job (though with the way things have fallen apart there…). It is also the case that the Oligarchs really would not have any problem getting hold of anything they wanted. The former Soviet Union remains the largest supplier of illicit armaments in the world (in contrast to the US, which is the larges legal arms merchant in the world).
Advice for Lugovoi:
Run, run, run – Jo Jo Gunne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0BztuQsrNs
Suzanne @ 74
me three! wow!
albert fall @ 41
No matter what happens tomorrow just hearing her voice and seeing her clothes, hair, makeup and attitude will be worth it. I want to see if she has it going on or if she is a poser. No matter what happens she will be devoured by the media. They are all on notice. What will they ask her, how will she respond will she cry like a girl or suck it up and have that Heathers attitude. I can’t wait!
Ptooey.
Someone put Kool-Aid in my tea!
-GSD
TexBetsy @ 80
RBG still has a leg up on you…
Good post, TRex!
Blowback.
When the Soviet state faltered and collapsed, religious missionaries previously barred entry gained access to the Russian people – and government.
A very small and select cult with access to senior American and Russian politicans helped to loot the Russian treasury, draining central government down to the point wide spread failures in public services, health, and safety.
Making a return to authoritarian rule a viable option..and for the KGB chief to become President.
The cult had blue ribbon credentials – Harvard stars who pal with Nobel Laureates.
The Cult of Friedman.
Milton’s fervent believers converted the Russians to the cult of the free market, and sold off the state assets.
Of course, as teh “free market” is merely a religious dogma, the oligarchs snapped up the nation’s wealth in rigged sales.
Kinda like Griles and Norton.
And – come to think of it – just like what Grover Norquist and the neocons did to America…
After the neocons “stopped” being Stalinists, of course.
They did stop, right?
Evening, everyone!
I just got home from work, and I’m doing everything I can to keep from biting my nails and eating a whole bag of chips. My Red Wings are desperately trying to tie up this critical hockey game – if they can score another goal in the next 2:06 of play, their Stanley Cup hopes live another day.
Cross your fingers for me! I wanna see a win.
Anything fun going on here, besides wondering whatever happened to Livetenko (very spooky story) and learning that Cassie needs to do the dishes? ;)
By the way. Kentucky’s GOP, true to form nominated the corrupt and unpopular Ernie Fletcher for another go around.
Maybe Fletch can pardon some more criminals while he’s at it.
I wonder if there will be any MSM talk about how corrupt the GOP is with this election? Naw.
-GSD
landofthefree @ 88
I DID the dishes! And the pots and pans. I am cleared.
Ok Cassie – can you come over and do my dishes now? I’ve been a bad girl… I have a few dinner dishes left over from before I wen tto work.
Dang it. 32 seconds left. I really need a goal here.
DrDick @ 20
U S A! U S A !
Who sez we’re not number one!
-GSD
P.S. McGuirk the jerk racist from the Imus show won’t be getting a job at WRKO in Boston after all.
They call McGuirk pariah.
landofthefree @ 87
we are all in high dudgeon about the cavein on the iraq supplemental. we are telling bad jokes to cheer up suzanne. and you should have left off the last line. trust me.
here’s my little contribution for suzanne’s improvement:
a man living in southern california during the 1980’s bought a strange lamp at a secondhand store and inadvertently released a Genie, who gave him three wishes. The man was a student of logic, and so he carefully phrased two wishes to give himself great wealth and eternal youth, but simply couln’t figure out a safe was to use the third wish. the Genie shrugged and went back in the lamp, saying “let me know what your third wish is”.
Several months later, he spotted the Oscar Meyer weeniemobile driving in traffic and began to sing their jingle. “Oh I Wish I Was An Oscar Meyer Ween–” thump.
Need to turn in now.
I’ve got a post up here about Davis Mac-Iyalla’s visit to my church last night. (He’s the founder of Changing Attitude-Nigeria, which is an Anglican GLBT support group.)
Ugh. Red Wings lose. It will be an Anaheim/Ottawa Stanley Cup Finals (and I’m sure Anaheim will win in probably 5 games).
Sigh. I really wanted a game 7 here at home.
Now I suppose I should get to those dishes… nah, they can wait a little longer while I console myself with my glass of petit syrah.
Okay Trex, the wife’s name is Marina. Case closed.
/s
TRex @ 25
Nah. I think this was a message from the Kremlin to MI6 as well as Berezovsky.
We are in the middle of a global cold war, only this time the stakes are about energy. UK has been a proxy for the corporatist/oligarchs (use these two words interchangeably); having already been tweaked by natural gas supply issues due to sourcing through what are ultimately Russian contracts, UK has felt pressure to press back at Russia, probably has been supporting the oligarchs/corporatists.
(Keep in the back of your mind that Iran sits on the second biggest supply of LNG in the world, and that it is much cozier with Russia than with us…)
Kremlin decided to take care of the problem in a way that would knock out a key soldier while allowing enough room for their agent to slip back home. PO-210 was a beta-emitter, not typically detected in airports, could have been carried fairly easily, dispensed, leaving the poisoner enough time to travel back home without detection before the poison did its job. The poison itself is the fingerprint of the source; no oligarch had access to this, only the FSB (this is rather like the anthrax poisoning here; who did it if the anthrax was identified as U.S. military, hmm?).
Only problem in all this is Lugovoy. Laughably sloppy…almost as if somebody else tried to make sure the footprints led back home, or if there was a second attempt because the first one missed. Would you hire this bonehead? Makes me wonder how long he’s going to be in business — unless, of course, the business is a front for payments for a job well done. Okay, maybe not well done but completed.
On topic – just saw this in the Liverpool papers. Interesting.
Late Nite Humor Break at the Lake
Signs, Signs – Funny Signs Collage Music Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQi0J5Feblo
Suzanne!
Don’t make me go to the really dumb jokes…
Rayne, are you saying it was sloppy-on-purpose?
If we’re on the genie jokes:
It’s lunch time at the big law firm, senior parter, junior partner and senior associate come out of the high rise and are crossing the park to get lunch. One of them trips over an old, dusty bottle. A genie appears – he says you each get a wish. The Senior associate says “I wish I was in Paris in a four star hotel”
Whissssh and she’s gone.
The junior parter says “I wish I was on a beach in Maui with a beautiful surfer girl brining me a mai-tai” Whissssh and he’s gone.
The genie turns to the senior parter, “what do you wish?”
“I wish the other two were back at their desks.”
LoudounLib @ 99
Wow. Lugovoy’s denial is both categorical and fact-free.
“I, on the other hand, am convinced that I did not kill Litvinenko”? Well color me convinced too.
(waives to LoudounLib and then, reluctantly goes back to work)
SWBM is great!
Picking up where she ends, the assassins may have been bunglers, but the fact that Litvenenko was targeted with a very difficult-to-obtain weapon says that the people who sent the killers were not at all bunglers. They had access and resources, and used both.
They could have tried to set this up in other, more ordinary ways, from staging an “accident” to a driveby shooting to a neighborhood bombing. He could simply have disappeared, never to be seen from again. But that’s not what happened.
Someone wanted to send A Message to someone else.
Instead of putting a horse’s head in that other person’s bed, they put Litvenenko on page one around the world, and the Message went out: Don’t Mess With Us.
And perhaps the choice of Lugovoy was deliberate, in that they expected him to get sick and die as well, making the hit that much more untracable.
((( waves at petedownunder — good joke! )))
TeddySanFran @ 102
In part, quite possibly. The bit about contamination detected on a light switch and on a hotel room floor? Stupid-sloppy.
But the bit about others getting contaminated — like the Italian? maybe not. And maybe they really didn’t have a problem with the footprints leading right back home, kind of like punctuating the sentence with an exclamation point instead of a period.
Patrick 4/4 @ 104
think he’s been listening to Abu?
OfT: Cliff Schecter has great Kentucky news!
oh shiznit, it’s late…good night all!
I thought a couple of other people were also disintegrating from radiation poisoning as well. If this guy actually handled the radioactive material that poisoned him, how could he escape the effects of the radiation himself?
Emptywheel Strikes Again! Linky:
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..nry_n.html
Precis: waxman says no immunity because he can get everything he wants without it.
SOMETHING may finally be going right in this mess. if we can get rove and get him to flip cheney (he’ll NEVER flip chimpy) we can put aside all this puerile messing about with useless laws and get to the people’s business: dismantling (legally) the Bushco Crime Family.
Totally offtopic – today, I heard a story about how a local man died after being given a drug trial – a blood substitute without his consent. I did a little research on this, and I was shocked to learn that non-consentual drug testing is not an uncommon practice. 31 hospitals are testing this particular treatment on patients without consent with the FDA’s approval, although this and other blood substitute drugs have been shown to cause a sharp increase in heart attacks. There are a lot of ethical questions, and perhaps even legal questions, about the medical trial of this treatment. If you find this interesting, please check out this diary: No-consent testing at urban hospitals results in deaths
Thanks!
TSF
see my comment downstairs @3??
TexBetsy @ 32
Paper plate full of pizza while watching the Ducks almost (but not quite) cough up a three-goal lead. Paper plate, and the Red Wings, have been properly disposed of.
LoudounLib @ 108
“We were collecting radioactive materials for a consensus assassination. Of course, not everyone knew it was for this purpose.”
Alfred Kelgarries @ 113
That IS good news.
LS @ 110
handling it is not that dangerous, ingesting it is what kills you. and yes, three or four people got dosed but they apparently will live. alpha isn’t like gamma; gamma burns you up inside and is literally like a burn on the cellular level. alpha is like being hit with an atomic-scale machinegun, lots of little holes but no burning.
burnspbesq @ 116
Hey! The Red Wings finally showed up for the last period. Too bad they didn’t show up for periods 1 & 2 – we could’ve had a fun game 7 here in Hockeytown.
Congrats to your team – they played well. I’m gonna continue to sulk in the corner.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 113
Excuse me, but that fundamentally fixes my funk!!!! :) I’ll dream on that prospect. GO EW!!!!
LS @ 111
Has to be consumed, not just touched. Inhalation might have worked, too, but the symptoms I’ve heard about so far suggested ingestion — like the tea that was prepared out of Litvinenko’s sight. Some of the others that may have been secondary targets could have either eaten or drunk from a plate or cup that had the primary dose, exposing themselves to a secondary dose.
If they’d gotten the same dose as Litvinenko, they’d be dead.
Re: Waxman.
I read recently that Greg Palast claims to have whole bunch of Rove/Bush Whitehouse e-mails because someone sent them to a .com instead of a .gov address or something to that effect.
-GSD
LS @ 119
i live to serve the lake. and don’t think for a minute nancy and friends aren’t watching like hawks for any little slip on bush’s part on iraq. like the million dollar apples, all it takes is one…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 118
Ah, that’s the right terminology, I said beta upthread, it’s gamma that goes undetected in most airports.
Cassie -
Here is a link for life expectancies:
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?t=50&v=30
Here is one for infant mortality: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdoc.cfm?…..amp;type=0
Here is one for healthcare costs/benefits:
http://www.pnrec.org/2001paper…..Lajoie.pdf
And here is one for incarceration rates:
http://www.nccd-crc.org/nccd/p…..ration.pdf
I can’t find the story on vacation time, but it was in either the LA Times or NY Times this week.
GSD @ 121
yeah i saw that too. if he’s given them to waxman, we may have a stealth situation here.
oh GHOD let that be true….
DrDick @ 125
thank you!
Rayne @ 123
betas are just electrons IIRC (IANAP however…)
Right, gang. Heading home to eat OTC painkillers and pray that this headache abandons ship.
TRex @ 129
swallow instead, they taste AWFUL
TRex @ 128
take care therapod. doing spook dance to banish headache long distance…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 119
At the moment at the New York Times, there is an article “Democrats Pull Troop Deadline from Iraq Bill”. Next to it is a picture from another story “On Search In Iraq, a Bomb Wreaks Havoc”. It is one of those chance juxtapositions that probably won’t last that long but explains more eloquently than anything I have seen why we need to get out of Iraq now.
http://www.nytimes.com/
LoudounLib @ 111
Night LL. Sleep the sleep of the just.
MOD!!!! see 131! NOBODY CLICK ON IT! Looks snarky…(like virus/trojan!)
LS — your 132 is truncated. can you repost?
Sorry that spam got in.. refresh your pages and it is gone.. TRex is not the only one with a headache – sorry folks.
Niters, TRex, hope your headache is subsiding by the time you read this.
I’m also outta here, before I get too wrapped up in spy-fun. Need to save myself for tomorrow’s Missy Goodling on the hot seat hearing.
Suzanne @ 139
Hey Suzanne – no worries.
kdh22 @ 115
wow, drivin’ with a 15-year-old, you have had a day!
thanks, I want to think our leaders are brave, smart, and clever enough to have a trick up their sleeve, too. Just can’t see what it might be, though….
Cassie -
Those kinds of statistics are actually fairly easy to find (especially with Google). A number of good on-line sources include the UN, WHO, US Department of Justice (as well as other cabinet deparments), and CDC. The CIA World Factbook is also useful.
Trex – drink a whole lotta water with those painkillers. Ya might be a little dehydrated. Are you feeling a bit scaly :)
Hope you feel better soon!
I’m gonna hit the hay. Hope everyone has a great night.
Night LotF.
landofthefree @ 143
good night
Hey guys. Thanks. No profound thoughts on this one, just the same I’ve been saying from the beginning. I think it was a Kremlin hit. The
KGBFSB has had a similar brain drain as the CIA has, so they’re left with 2nd rate spies and the guys botched the job. The only message it can possibly send is they don’t know what they’re doing.Someone gave me a head’s up on this this morning, but didn’t have time to blog about it. I’m swamped right now getting things lined up for the June publication of my spy thriller OUTSOURCED which is in a way about the spy drain plaguing the Agency. Different dynamics are in play in the Russian spy drain, but the net effect is similar: a dumbed-down intelligence agency.
Genie jokes? OK, you asked for it.
An N.C. State fan, a Carolina fan, and a Duke fan are walking together on a beach in the Outer Banks when they discover an old lamp lying in the sand. One of them rubs the lamp, and … yup, out comes the genie.
“Three of you, eh?” says the genie. “Okay, one wish for each of you.”
Straws are drawn, and the N.C. State fan gets the first wish. He says, “I really miss Coach V. I’d like to have five minutes to talk to him.” Suddenly, from up by the road, a familiar voice is heard. “Hey, how ya doin’?” It’s Jim Valvano, down from Heaven. He and the N.C. State fan go off in the other direction, yakking away like there’s no tomorrow.
The Carolina fan goes next.
“Genie,” he says, “as y’all know, Chapel Hill is Paradise on earth. But lately, it’s been infested with Dukies and Yankees and other undesirables. Put a wall around it that will keep all the riff-raff out.”
“Done,” says the genie.
The Duke fan thinks for a minute before speaking.
“Genie,” she says, “tell me more about this wall.”
“Well,” the genie says, “it’s 25 feet high and six feet thick, surrounds the entire city and the entire UNC campus, and is impervious to every substance known to man. There are only two gates, and to get in or out one must sing all 17 verses of the UNC fight song.”
The Duke fan thinks for a minute before speaking.
“Genie,” she says, “fill it with water.”
I’m frustrated tonight. Why the fuck did the Dems take out the deadlines from the funding bill. What happened to the no confidence vote on Gonzales. And did anybody catch that on May 9 Bush signed something the give him more power in case of a bad event?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 137
Now, at this point, I have no idea what I posted!? If it is of any solace, I had one heck of a headache today myself. It is lurking….
LS @ 149
i’ll be here a while. slept midday, back in compiler hell tonight.
P J Evans @ 24
Good for you PJ – I can never forgive Boxer for helping JoeHo against Ted Lamond last year and Gramma Nancy is a great woman surrounded by horrid men like Rahm and Steney, poor dear.
What strikes me is not Litvinenko’s death, though it certainly gave him a status he never had while alive. What strikes me is the Russian gov’t’s contempt for the investigation at every juncture. If you want to establish your innocence, you don’t do it by first denying a crime took place, then ridiculing the thrid-party victims of the crime (”London is close to panic”), then going far out of your way to stonewall the investigation. Then propping up the accused before the Kremlin-controlled media (there is no other kind in Russia today) so he can portray himself as a bewildered victim. Would this have happened anywhere else? Can you imagine the French/Chinese/Indian govts responding like this?
But that’s the MO of Putin’s Kremlin: first be part of the problem in order to require that you be part of the solution. Even if there was no direct Kremlin involvement in the killing (and I don’t think there was), for Putin this has become another issue to manipulate in order to fuel nationalistic fire domestically while maneuvering for maximum leverage to extract a quid pro quo elsewhere.
Evening. GoodMrsPuma was on the phone for quite a while tonight–did I miss anything I’ll kick myself for?
EvilDrPuma @ 153
Can you survive without genie jokes?
Sssssh! I snuck in.
Thank you for your thoughts, Dr. Hillhouse. Looking forward to your book.
EvilDrPuma @ 153
cassie did the dishes tonight so she got to post! :>
(ducks, runs for cover…)
Suzanne @ 156
amen. a bright spot in a bleak summer and fall!
SnarKassandra @ 154
In fact, I’ll have to check and make sure nobody’s told my favorite yet!
Balrog @ 156
Hey, congrats on the Wee Rog! I hear it is a chip off the old blockhead.
EvilDrPuma @ 159
Yup–#94. Ah, well.
Dr RJH — welcome! If you’ve got a book coming out, you may wish to contact our blogmistresses or the new Book Salon editor about coming for a Sunday chat sometime!
Can we take up a collection to dump a truckload of jellyfish on Reid’s doorstep?
I’m sorry I’m not following the conversation in the thread. I just need to get it out.
Balrog @ 155
(whispers behind keyboard: my daughter and granddaughter are holding my ipod hostage until someone posts REAL baby balrog pix links. can you turn my music back on? pleasepleaseplease…:>)
A nice long article on the GSA and Ms. Lurita:
Bye-bye Lurita!!
Balrog @ 155
How is the little baby??
Balrog @ 155
NORM!!!!!!
Sorry. Sorry about that. Sorry.
Balrog @ 153
Balrog!
Congratulations!
How’s WeeRog? How’s MomRog? How’re you?
Pics? :)
DrDick @ 160
He’s a bit of a hothead, so yes.
So I’m spending my thinking time tonight trying to make Chicken Salad out of Chicken Shit (Democratic Congress folk).
Has anyone come up with any positives to the wimpy, cave-in, sissy bill that’s been agreed upon?
I’m still giving Dems the benefit of the doubt on this one. Pollyanna at your service.
If their so-called “aides” are crusin’ the web, do you think they get the idea that people are furious!!! I want to know “what” caused the Dem leader to BACK DOWN! Let me count the ways…let’s start with…
Good night everyone. See you tomorrow.
Balrog @ 169
No.
I need to figure out Shutterfly picture sharing and then all shall be revealed.
I warn you though, he’s awfully damn cute.
How embarassing.
Balrog @ 169
see 113 above. waxman may just have the goods on kommisar karlosivitch…
Balrog @ 154
Hello Balrog and congrats,
Night Cassiem, all. I’m headed bedwards, too.
SnarKassandra @ 171
night cassie. forgive us for teasing you about the dishes.
Balrog @ 170
Personally, I’m thinking fertilizer bomb, the way they are stinking up the place. At this point, I am not giving them any leeway. They either stand up to the administration or it is a farce.
SnarKassandra @ 171
Nite Cassie! Always good to see you.
SnarKassandra @ 172
Night Cassie, sleep well.
R J Hillhouse @ 146
A russian journalist is killed while working on a story about funny business re Chechnya. AL is killed while looking into the journalist’s murder. Sounds to me like a message is being sent.
And note that they’re both dead.
They killers may have been second rate, but their targets are no longer breathing. From that point of view, the jobs were successful.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..index.html
Iraqi kindergarten: Smiles and vows to fight
POSTED: 9:03 p.m. EDT, May 22, 2007
Story Highlights
• Iraqi kindergartners smile, play and also vow to fight
• One young boy says he wishes to bomb the school “with everybody in it”
• School has just 16 children, down from 180 before the war
• UNICEF: Iraq’s children are caught in “rapidly worsening humanitarian tragedy”
Balrog @ 173
Best news I’ve heard today! Feisty I’ll bet!!!
SnarKassandra @ 171
Good night, Cassie. Keep the faith.
g’nite cassie.
Look whose stock is up on Capitol Hill, now: Chertoff
jeebus, this bozo should be outta office, at least, and probably in jail. and ted kennedy and lindsay graham luuuuurve him?
Hi everyone! Congrats, Balrog and fam.
Balrog @ 173
Congratulations to all the rogs and Happy
Fathering and MotheringRoging the New One.By the way, where’s LooHoo? She promised to move here and be Garrett’s Nanny in exchange for Sushi.
TJ @ 161
That might backfire. Disrepectful to his ancestors.
Chertoff reminds me of night of the living dead. He is a creep!
Balrog @ 173
TexBetsy has been putting out fakes of the WETA balrog figurine (you can send THOSE to your “demons of the ancient world” friends and they’ll be fine. Assuming they don’t immolate their pc’s again. morgoth’s tech support orcs are getting testy about the whole business, but at least its better than the damm ringwraiths bitching about “why CAN’T I see myself in the webcam?”
Peterr @ 180
I haven’t a clue who did what and hope egregious checks in with her take.
kirk murphy @ 190
Those aren’t ancestors, they are his siblings.
G’Nite, Cassie!
TeddySanFran @ 185
We’ll see. Anything that draws attention to a Bush appointee might yet turn in our favor. One doesn’t have to rummage much in these people’s closets before one starts finding skeletons.
DrDick @ 193
colleagues?
Goodnight Cassie.
Good nite, SnarKassandra.
newspaperbrat –
Click on the Guardian link in the post above, then poke around on some of the other links there, including their time line of events.
LS @ 190
heh, heh – a beast with ten fingers and scheming small mind…truly creepy.
Balrog @ 188
Yecccchhhh. I hate sushi. I’ll do it for popcorn.
Well folks, I think I will turn in as well. I have a hot date with a cold trout early tomorrow morning. Hopefully it has more fight in it than the Congressional Democrats.
DrDick @ 202
and, i fear, more sense as well. gnite.
Goodnight, Doc!
This whole thing really boils down to what effect leaving the troops unfunded would have.
We know Bush would happily leave them unfunded forever if he could blame the Dems.
We know he’ll continue to veto any bill with drawdown language.
His RubberStampers continue to be too terrified to vote conscience.
Remember Bob Marley: He who fight and run away, live to fight another day.
We need to accept this loss and continue the good fight. We’ve come way too far in 6 months to give up after one, albeit stinging, defeat.
DrDick @ 202
Good night. Have fun with your cold fish.
“Murder is murder,” said the Prime Minister’s spokesman
More Human Than Human – White Zombie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXpbrGBIGxw
No wonder Bush liked what he saw in Putin’s eyes. Those of a cold, calculating autocrat.
-GSD
Alfred Kelgarries @ 203
Sleep well Dr D
Good one, Dr Dick!
Good night and good trout to you!
PS – I’m trusting the above expression about “fertilizer bomb” is a metaphor, and is not in any way a statement of intention. :)
[memo to NSA: 1) it was a joke; 2) he’s OK; 3) go find Rove’s emails]
Alfred Kelgarries @ 201
less slimy, too.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 191
To the Batcave, Alfred. Your prize for tidy snark awaits you.
WaPo chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Chris Cillizza at 11am eastern
David Iglesias at 12:30pm eastern
Dan Froomkin at 1pm eastern
Chertoff is the Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse.
-GSD
I’ll hold the baby. No need for pay.
GSD @ 208
And Putin saw a cold, calculating, yet stupid and thuggish autocrat. They’re almost like family.
Don’t you hate it when everybody goes to bed, and you can’t sleep yet? I still think it is really weird that huge masses of the entire world goes to sleep at the same time every night…in waves…bizarre reality.
kirk murphy @ 188
Let’s not forget that under normal operatng procedures, the Dems in Congress have gone about as far as practically possible. The point has clearly been made. It’s Bush’s war and it’s all his now. We want it done now, but political reality won’t allow that.
What’s right and what’s possible are not always the same thing.
DrDick @ 160
Balrog! Congrats! We saw the weeRogs picture. I love his name.
GSD @ 208
That whole “looked into his soul” thing has just gotten creepier and creepier — considering they are both, essentially, soulless.
Those were definitely messages that they don’t tolerate dissent and the Russian public most definitely knows how to interpret them. My point in regard to the Litivinenko was that the method was not in and of itself a message. Because of the poor execution of the plan, a spectacular message was sent, but I seriously doubt that was the intent. They probably thought it was a cool, clever way to do the wet job and that he would die an agonizing death from an unknown illness.
—-
Who’s the new book salon editor? Email me off list at RJH at thespywhobilledme.com.
Balrog @ 173
if you right click on a picture in Shutterfly you should get an address to copy and post. Please do this – TexBetsy had your little one looking like an Orc…
GSD @ 213
I thought he just followed along behind them with a shovel, scooping up the waste.
EvilDrPuma @ 206
Is that Monica?
lolo @ 218
His real picture?
Putin looked into Bush’s eyes and saw back of Bush’s skull.
-GSD
SnarKassandra @ 55
You betcha!!! :P
Re Litvinenko, not that I really know anything about this but if you wanted him dead without a great deal of fuss, you could just push him in front of a car or off a bridge. If you didn’t mind it looking like a hit but wished to be professional about it, you would put two slugs in the back of his head. It would send a message but mostly only to those who were listening. Using an exotic and messy radioactive isotope is operatic in its excess. Someone didn’t just want to send a message, they wanted this guy to suffer. That kind of animus leads you if not directly to Putin, certainly to pro-Russia xenophobic factions in the Kremlin nostalgic for the good old days of SMERSH.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 83
Also, she’s got a book coming out that looks interesting.
I’ve been fascinated by this stuff since I was 10 and bought a book on cryptology from the Weekly Reader.
CTuttle @ 226
Me too.
Too bad we dont have someone on our side, with a background in soviet/Russian relations. Perhaps this person could have been placed in the NSA or state depts. This person with their knowledge of soviets/Russians could have kept this situation from arising by insisting on adherence to international law and strengthening the Russia/Us relationship. Maybe this would have been the same person who could have kept the DPRK in line with the Clinton plan, instead of allowing the DPRK to develop nukes.
Someone might have to update the Bible:
Behold a pale Chimp.
-GSD
RJ -
The Book Salon editor is James F. Thrum — here’s his introductory post from a couple weeks ago.
GSD @ 231
With shifty eyes. But no horse. He’s terrified of horses.
smapdi @ 230
Boy, it’d be handy to have someone like that at the State Dept, what with the UK and Russia not exactly on speaking terms these days.
OT but very cool news if some kind firepup will refresh me on the link drill – too embarrassed to ask Suzanne cause she has so patiently schooled me in the past.
LS @ 216
lol, yeah. try 36 hours days! :)
Suzanne @ 40
You and I, M’Dear, You and I both!!! The Dems have no Brass Cajones, shove the same damn bill down his throat and love it or leave it!!! *g*
newspaperbrat @ 235
highlight the part you want to link (a few words), then right-click (PC) or ctrl-click (MAC) and enter the URL of the site you want to link to.
newspaperbrat… you can always ask :)
type in the comment box what you want to name your link
then click on the link button
cut and paste the address of the url you want to link to
click ok
it will put the words you typed in the comment box in as the name of the link
click ok
voila… linkie :)
newspaperbrat @ 234
Go to the page of the link. click on the URL/http bar at the top of the page. Press control “C”….go to where you want to post the link, Press control “V”.
TeddySanFran @ 219
‘They have their souls and we have our souls‘
;>)
Night all. And thanks again to all of you who have sent love to WeeRog. You’re the greatest.
OK, maybe the last Genie joke:
A man barges into a talent agency claiming he has to see the best agent there. After being rebuffed by the receptionist, he dashes past her and wends his way to the agent’s office, past the startled assistant, and into the inner sanctum.
The agent looks up from his desk. What are you doing here? he asks.
The man, somewhat out of breath, says, listen – give me 3 minutes. You can kick me out after that, but just listen.
He reaches under his suit jacket, pulls out a miniature grand piano and bench, and sets them on the coffee table. He reaches into his jacket pocket and pulls out a small man, 1 foot tall, dressed in a tux.
The mini-man sits at the piano and starts playing. And he’s fantastic. Beethoven Chopin, Ellington; classics, standards; impeccable technique, beautiful interpretation. The agent is getting less annoyed and more fascinated, and finally askes the smaller man to stop playing.
He looks at the full sized man, who is still somewhat winded, and says, how in the world did you find him?
To which the man replies, well, I was walking along the beach, and I found this urn. When I opened it up, a genie appeared and told me that, in gratitude for freeing him from his bondage, he would grant me anything I wanted.
OK, says the agent. So you’re telling me that you could have had anything in the worls, and you asked for a 12 inch pianist?
“Well, not exactly.”
Balrog @ 188
She was here earlier and I am sure she will check in. When she does if you are gone then I will let her know you asked for her.
Hugh @ 227
Unless they are so incompetent that they didn’t know how wrong it could go, leaving traces inside of the deceased and trails back to Moscow. Did they know so little about dosage, effects, etc., that they chose it hoping it would be a horrible, painful death (probably one the decedent understood, even) with its cause never discovered?
I lean your way, but this other argument’s been made by some who know the trade, no?
Thanks Peterr, missed that one.
I think you’re on to something…
Balrog @ 242
{{holding up disposable lighter}}
G’night, and sweet dreams to you all!!!
Balrog @ 242
Night Balrog.
Sleep all night long, Weerog.
Balrog @ 242
Ooh, Did I just miss the newest Pappy??? Congratulations, Sleep Well!!! Bwhahahaha!!! (Juz Kiddin) :)
smapdi @ 230
I heard that Stanford once had a provost with the background, but not the skills, you describe….
Mutant Poodle — Great!!!
Mutant Poodle @ 243
LOL
TeddySanFran @ 248
…and then she moved to Stepford…
A couple of comments, including one by Dr. Hillhouse got caught in the spam filter.
Please refresh your page (not the refresh comments button) to see the comments.
EvilDrPuma @ 233
Really? According to his spouse, he’s an expert hand at milking them.
;>)
Suzanne @ 254
Feeling better yet?
A man stumbles across an old lamp while he was at his attorney’s office. Figuring his luck has to change, he rubs the lamp and out pops a genie. The genie explains to him that he gets three wishes, and whatever he wishes for, his wife gets double.
The man explains the situation with his wife, and then asks for his first wish. “The first thing I want is a million dollars.”
The genie says, “Okay, but you know that your wife gets two million.”
The man said, “That’s okay. My second wish is for a large house on a remote tropical paradise.”
The genie says, “Then your wife will have two beautiful houses.”
The man replied, “That’s fine. Now for my third wish. I want you to beat me half to death.”
‘They have their souls and we have our souls‘
That is brilliant, Darkblack.
TexBetsy – Another good one!
PapaRog!!
Dr. Hillhouse!!
What a swell party this is!
Balrog @ 211
oh sir, not another damn tuxedo is it? I **hate** tuxedos! I think butlers should be clad in fire island muscle shirts and n*th*gg*r shorts! (click on bill maher’s eulogy for Rev. Fal)
Hugh –
Operatic is definitely the word for the hit.
Balrog @ 224
Betsy posted a picture in the late night thread I think. Maybe latelate night.
TRex, Dr. Hillhouse may be interested in doing a book salon when her book comes out. (look upthread)
One day a man spotted an old brass lamp by the roadside. He picked it up, rubbed the dirt off of it, and a genie appeared.
“I’ll grant you your fondest wish,” the genie said.
The man thought for a moment, then said, “I want a spectacular job – a job that no man has ever succeeded at or has ever attempted to do.”
“Poof!” said the genie. “You are a housewife.”
neurophius @ 258
I totally stole it
;>)
MP, still have the headache and my back is still fried from all that friggin housework in preparation for the open house. I’m not even gonna talk about the fake knee.
OK – must awaken in 7 hours. G’nite, all – I’ll check for straggler jokes in the morning.
darkblack @ 253
I would like to click on that link, but I would like to sleep tonight.
darkblack @ 266
The quote, or the illustration? I was referring to the latter…
g’nite MP – sleep well
TexBetsy @ 263
Now that’s entertainment!
Mutant Poodle @ 266
See you tomorrow. Sleep well.
EvilDrPuma @ 270
Whoops, sorry. One should always attribute one’s quotes:
“Now that’s entertainment!”
—Vlad the Impaler
Who will bring King Bush low?
Time – Pink Floyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
from NYT:
The Hollow Promise Reform Act
Failure to approve strict lobbying reform will reduce the Democrats’ vaunted vows to political farce and shorten their chances of retaining the majority.
R J Hillhouse @ 246
reminds me instantly of the awful but surprisingly realistic “Jackal” movie. The mindset of “a lesson, harsh and brutal” evidenced by the (amazingly putin-like) head of the Russian Mafia (like there was only one…)
neurophius @ 270
The quote…Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, a/k/a Derek and Clive.
Always look for the darkblack seal of approval, so that you can be assured of the freshest darkblack – Philip K. Duck
;>)
Well, folks, I’m going to crash. Be excellent to each other.
EvilDrPuma @ 279
Good night my friend.
g’nite to mutant poodle and Balrog. We shall keep the fires of snark burning strong till the morning…or until we run out of coffee…
TexBetsy @ 264
LOL
OK, I think I’ve scared the dog now, poor old thing! Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
and of course a goodnight to the EvilDrPuma, whose name he might someday choose to enlighten those of us new to the list about…(hint)
g’nite EDP
All hail Andrew Gumbel – a Brit journalist for The Independent and based in LA for his smack-down of Hollywood titans Dirty Harry and da Governator published in LA’s City Beat.
Doing da Snoopy Dance!
http://www.lacitybeat.com/arti…..sueNum=206
Hmm. What was it the Preznit said he saw when he looked into Putin’s eyes?
Bob in HI
TRex @ 291
You did GREAT TRex! You always do!
McCain, Romney Talk Immigration in Texas
JOE STINEBAKER | AP
LINK
HOUSTON — Sen. John McCain challenged other Republican presidential candidates Tuesday to propose their own immigration legislation or stop criticizing the plan he’s co-sponsoring.
Rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, kept up his criticism of the proposal, which could allow the legalization of most of the nation’s 12 million illegal immigrants while increasing border security.
“I think it’s a matter of national security,” McCain said, “and to do nothing _ to leave the status quo _ would be an abrogation of our responsibilities to the American people.”
McCain, speaking amid a series of fundraisers in Houston, added, “If they’ve got another proposal that will pass the Congress of the United States, then let’s hear that.”
McCain’s challenge came in response to the criticism of several GOP presidential contenders _ primarily Romney _ of the immigration bill as ineffective and a form of amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Romney, in Dallas for fundraisers, said Tuesday the bill was “for all intents and purposes, amnesty.”
(more)
all hail to newspaperbrat who tracked down andrew to give him the story.
very nice snoopy dance, npb
NPB’s linky
My head is killing me. I took two Alleve, which made me totally nauseated and have yet to touch the headache.
Bleah.
It was the timelines. The caving. It sent me into a pulsing black and red rage. I called Jane, “I can’t write tonight. I’m too upset.”
She said, “Write about the Russians. Take everybody somewhere other than Iraq or Washington. Take them on a trip.”
Okay.
How did I do?
newspaperbrat @ 285
Pleased to know ya, especially since the author calls y’all a
Never underestimate the noisy handful!!
npb, your link worked fine. wordpress will shorten it that way visually but it does not actually do that to the link.
TRex @ 291
Hope you feel better soon. I hate headaches.
it is a nice distraction, TRex but I still have my headache too. just a pisser of a day.
TRex @ 291
you did fine. and this topic isn’t as irrelevant as you might think. we may be able to get rid of chimpy in 2009, but putin’s picked thug replacement will still be with us, along with an very nasty little “hitler youth” setup he’s spawned. (linky)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18…..ek/page/2/
npb,
Highlight only the part of the URL that comes after the http:// part. Then do Control C. Then click Link. Control V. Press OK. Then put whatever name you want (or just ‘link’) and press OK.
The WaPoo begins the sliming of monica:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..stigation/
lots of juicy tidbits in this one. bottom line, the bushies are hanging her out to dry. my question then becomes, who is paying her hotshot attorney?
Suzanne @ 295
You did good, TRex — although it’s a sad comment when international murder with nuclear materials is seen as a step up.
Meanwhile, speaking of distractions, I can tell by the aroma around here that MrsPeterr and TheKid made chocolate chip cookies.
Be right back . . .
TRex @ 291
Best quote heard all week:
The opposite of war isn’t peace.
It’s CREATION.
I’ve been having a heckuva time
staying on task (writing book, class, etc.)
Just thinking creating something might
tally up positive on balance…
Think about the guy at the airport *g*
Think about the pasta you made *gg*
And like TanBark said, this is just
one for the marbles…we got a long
way ta go.
R J Hillhouse @ 146
Thanks for dropping by. People might not have figured out that you are “the spy who billed me” person. If so, all they need to do is click on your name.
good news from KY: Beshear wins with no runoff, and the rethugs voted for the crook (it was important!) (poligeek point to anyone who remembers which election that slogan came from and why!)
linky:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..22578/1575
the rethug croggers are all down in the dumps over it (croggers are ‘crap bloggers’ a new meme for tonite)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 302
Good! We needed some good news.
TRex, you guys do throw a great party!
There was no way they intended to leave a radiation trail all over London, not to mention back to Moscow. No way was this anything but a botched job. The only message it sends to the intel community is incompetence.
For the sake of argument, if you wanted to kill someone this way and leave a message, I would leave my radioactive trail not to a cafe and a stadium where I watched a match, but to the doorsteps of every Russian dissident and businessman I didn’t like, with a short stop at the Ukrainian embassy, a country I was looking for provocations from. Then I’d do the final trail to Kiev, then really start mucking with their domestic politics–or gas supply again.
No way would you lead that trail home or waste it on a soccer gain. There are enemies out there for whom it could be used.
Thanks, Valley Girl. Yes, I’m The Spy Who Billed Me.
Margot @ 297
You are too kind. ;~(
Interesting..Berezhovsky has ties to the Bush Family through Neil Bush.
Wiki
You did great, TRex. This story gets more Byzantine all the time. Did you try excedrin? My favorite for that kind of headache.
Just back from ET, Jr’s HS commencement. He’s done with public school and so are mom and dad.
Ed*ard Teller @ 307
Congrats to all!
Suzanne @ 289
GREAT work, npb.
Hit the
narcissistsA list (or the B list) in the LA papers, and industry gosssip carries your message.Very sweet work.
R J Hillhouse @ 304
and now you have hit it on the head. my question has always been, how did they leave that damn trail? if they had ingested the stuff they’d be dead so that wasn’t it. what did they do, play catch with the vial or what?
Time to climb out of the lake and curl up in bed. Hasta tomorrow!
Patrick 4/4 @ 217
Let’s not forget that under normal operatng procedures, the Dems in Congress have gone about as far as practically possible. The point has clearly been made. It’s Bush’s war and it’s all his now. We want it done now, but political reality won’t allow that.
What’s right and what’s possible are not always the same thing.
I disagree. We should keep sending the bill back with the deadline moved closer by 1 week each time he vetoes it. Congress holds the power of the purse and must exercise it.
npb,
I had such trouble with making a link, I could not figure out what I was doing wrong!
And I apologize for giving you the baby steps in there, but that’s the way I learned it and I thought you might need them, too.
Woohoo, ET. Happy dances :)
cancer_cures @ 306
remember bank of commerce and credit international? just about every bit of dirty money on this damn planet has been through neil bush’s hands, and probably other places we don’t want to know about. we don’t call it the Bu$hCo Crime Family out of nastiness but rather cruel fact. this also explains the gangster tactics they’re using currently.
TexBetsy @ 311
Sleep well dear Betsy and thanks for the precious link you emailed over the weekend.
TexBetsy @ 311
nite tb. don’t accept any teacups from slavic fellows which glowing hands…
I separate the tool — Polonium 210 — from the trail and bungling. The polonium proclaims a message of someone with lots of access and lots of resources, as did the lingering and very public death of the target. On the other hand, the trails around London, in Germany, and back to Russia speak of someone who is not used to such a tool.
Any reason why this can’t be “mixed messages”? Well placed and ruthless higher-ups who had to use less-than-perfect henchmen to do their dirty work?
pain free sleep wishes, TB
Suzanne @ 318
speaking of which, how’s your headache?
From what I’ve gathered, what they used was highly aerosolized. Best guess would be they opened it at some point and like any fine powder, a little got out and they coated everything as they went about their big adventure.
It also seems they dropped it in the hotel room from the large amount found in the carpet. Probably did this in the dark as in “Whooops. Where’s the $%#* light switch?” Large amounts were also found on the, you guessed it, hotel room’s light switch.
R J Hillhouse @ 320
and the ideological and organizational frat brothers of these clowns have control of the world’s second largest nuclear arsenal. crap.
the headache is still there.
That part cracks me up every time.
Okay, time to think up a late late nite post.
Can someone please explain the reasoning behind this?
TRex @ 291
Amazing, all considered.
A scalp and neck massage would probably do you wonders.
Got to call it a night here. See you all later!
TRex @ 323
for music, try mike the mechanics “silent running” (video on Youtube or i can send you a link) tells about how you sometimes have to run away to fight another day…
Margot @ 313
Oh no apology needed and baby steps are completely appropriate for I have to triumph over my oh so embarrasing tech phobia and be a grown up.
((((((((((fdlcoaches))))))))))
Dr. Hillhouse, I thought it was like a small pellet that was slipped into the tea. Wouldn’t a fine powder be more obvious when it was used? (thinking about how dust is noticable in a liquid)
Suzanne @ 314
Dance now, pay for two kids in college later…uh, like starting next week.
SnarKassandra @ 55
When you run into SKC, tell her I said we do now.
burnspbesq @ 324
this is iranian internal politics. the bozos who are pulling this are doing it to get up the nose of the moderates who right now have a bit more leverage with Ayatollah Khameni; the same bozos who kidnapped the brit hostages. they actually PREFER a war with the west, because it reinforces their sterotyping and keeps the moderates from gaining ground. the slurs on academia are pure RG/Iranian Hardline Ayatollahs.
goodnight peterr.
sleep well and enjoy the cookies…
Ouch, ET. That’s really paying the piper for that dance.
Peterr @ 326
sleep tight. avoid polonium in powder or pill form, as side effects include hideous lingering death. your mileage may vary.
Good Nite, Monica…and good luck telling the Truth.
“Ma, send me money now, I’m gonna make it somehow, I need another chance…”
Cinnamon Girl (live) – Neil Young and Crazy Horse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOCnDAwqWyg
Ed*ard Teller @ 330
ick. been there, done that. made too much to get good student loans, but too little to really afford it. Does anybody stop to think how many kids in this country we could get DOUBLE PHD’s for with the money spent just on that damn EMBASSY in Baghdad? Grrrrrrrrr
radiofreewill @ 275
I would perfer Dogs.
newspaperbrat – Great work ma’am. Love the article!
Sorry to hear these headaches are going around…at least I am not the only one…
TRex, As always, thanks so much…)
You know, I’d feel a lot safer if this were the case. I’m not confident that they have it under control.
Suzanne,I’m going off memory, but it seems it was a fine powder. This is not inconsistent with a capsule slipped into tea. It was readily aerosolized and some people in the cafe were exposed from this.
Peterr @ 327
Good night Peterr -
Good night pups!
Good night Dr. Hillhouse. Thanks for sharing your expertise (but not so much you’d have to kill us).
R J Hillhouse @ 340
my sarcasm buffer is low tonight. you worry about the same exact thing I do, namely that those pony bombs they made for tactical use against NATO as well as even some of the older ICBM ones could easily end up in the wrong hands. And when they are detonated, the fallout residue will say “Russia!” and not the actual bad actors involved.
Since you are still here (kudos for that!) do you have any opinion on the antrax case in the US? did the SA scientist use it to drive up stock prices, or what?
kirk murphy @ 342
night KM. waxman has our back, i think…
kirk murphy @ 343
Sleep well capt kirk!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 333
either that or she is a sabateur or spy
g’nite, peterr and km.
dr hillhouse, why is the odds on favorite “bad guy” still alive? that is what i can’t get over. Why did he survive the dispersal?
cancer_cures @ 346
no if she were that they wouldn’t be floating this ridiculous “velvet revolution” garbage, they’d charge her with real espionage and bargain.
Uh, hello?
Look upstairs.
Revolution against the Ayatollahs is in the West’s best interest. That brings the West one step closer to opening trade agreements with Iran. Yum yum $$$ $$$
late late nite, left this way.
That may be a little extreme. Things were pretty tense a few years ago, when the Russians kicked out all personnel who were even vaguely intel-related from the US Moscow Embassy. This was shortly after the new Embassy building was occupied.
There was a storm of tit-for-tat persona non grata volleys at the time. The atmosphere was mighty prickly for awhile there.
Sorry, I really don’t have an opinion on that one. Domestic matters just aren’t my thing, if you know what I mean! No kudos for me staying up late with you night owls. I’m cheating–I live in Hawaii.
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Suzanne, are you asking about UBL? I realize I risk sounding like a shameless shelf-promoter, but my theory on that one is at the heart of OUTSOURCED.
It’s too complex to explain here and it would be a major spoiler if I did. It’s so much at the heart of the book, I don’t mention this when promoting it. Let’s just say, I’ve picked up some very interesting rumors.
Dr. Hillhouse I was referring to Andrei Lugovoi but dang, your book sound better and better, the more I know about it.
Dr. Hillhouse, on the next thread, Eureka Springs found a Harper’s Article about this case entitled:
Russian Secret Service Agents to be Indicted in Litvinenko Murder
Lugovoi–the FSB will see that he’s taken care of, more or less. He won’t be in any country with an extradition treaty to Great Britain any time soon, that’s for sure.
Okay, will go off in search of the next thread. You guys get around…
TJ @ 163
Maybe just drop a set of stones, the dems seems to be missing a pair of balls.
Harper article sounds cool.Well Gourmet coffee adds to online coffee.
The cold war has never been as big a deal in Europe, including the UK, as it has been in the USA – the US right always needed an enemy to fight and ‘preserve’ the country while endangering it all the more.
There was the case of an East European refugee who was killed with an umbrella armed with a poisoined dart at the height of the US Reagan evil empire paranoia, however, nothing really came of that and this is going to go the same way.
Europe does not need offshore ‘evil’ to defend against to find an identity or raison detre, unlike the USA, and it, including the UK, knows that.
This does not deny that a foul murder has occurred but only that the powers that be will decide it is not worth an international incident unless the UK courts go to the EU Court to force the UK Government’s inaction. My guess is that it won’t happen.
sona @ 360
Oh, my. Any more sweeping generalizations you care to make?
While my passport says I’m American, I don’t recall ever needing an”offshore ‘evil’ to defend against to find an identity or raison detre”. I was always more likely to find my identity in really cool sax solos (an area in which the USA is the acknowledged world leader, so take that, Europe!)
Is there something wrong with me?
. . . or is this actually an example of my constitutional need to defend against the imagined evil of European sax playing? OK, maybe I should listen to Peter Brotzmann a little more carefully