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Unlike many Kossacks, I sympathize with the Democratic leadership when it comes to Iraq. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have difficult situations. You can twist arms, make threats, pressure, cajole and otherwise try to cobble together a majority from Blue Dogs and conservatives like the Nelsons, Pryor, Landrieu and others, but, ultimately, you can’t shout your way to victory. The Speaker or Majority Leader cannot force anybody to vote the way they personally wish. I cannot, however, sympathize when they present this ugly compromise as some kind of victory, as legislation that will do anything to curb Mister Bush. It is anything but.
In the past month, we’ve seen a majority of House Democrats and a smaller majority of Senate Democrats favor three pieces of legislation that - while far from as strong as they should have been – would have put the onus on Mister Bush for continuing the occupation. Good for them. If only there were more like them.
If the latest legislation is as it appears to be, a toothless, gutless, spineless bill that gives Mister Bush his blank check, Democrats who vote for it are essentially buying the occupation.
Voting "nay" on such a conference bill is the best course of action for those 29 Senators and 169 Representatives who voted for cloture on Feingold-Reid and for the McGovern bill. I urge them to do so. They will not succeed in stopping it. But they will at least remind their fellow Democrats of how a majority party ought to behave when faced with an intransigent President whose unfettered policies and actions will mean the deaths and maiming of tens of thousands of Americans and Iraqis over the next 20 months.
MB has a good point -- this is not a meaningless vote, and those who expect us to look to them for leadership beyond 2008 ought to know that the 65% of the country who want out of this war will be watching. I find it ironic that everyone is afraid of being branded a coward when it comes to talkin' trash about a war they don't personally have to fight and never worry what we think when they won't stand up to a cheap sandlot bully like George Bush when it counts.
As those who voted to authorize this war in the first place should know, there is no safety in numbers.
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Voting to give Bush a blank check IS the coward’s way out.
On the new bill …. what are the details about helping veterans, the wounded, etc?
the chickenshitocrats are BACK!
I’m so angry about this I’m just sick to my stomach. How do those people sleep at night? Don’t they get it? They’re sacrificing *people*. People’s lives and mental health. All to protect that monster George Bush’s vanity.
How are they any better than he is?
I’m nobody but it’s so obvious it just screams at me - it doesn’t matter how any dem votes, DEMS WILL ALL be called cowardly troop-hating traitors who hate ‘Amerika’ & bushie-brand “freedom”. Why would any sane, thinking person believe otherwise? ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!
65%. That number ought to be plastered all over the place.
65% — is your JAR that high?
65% — that’s a clear majority of Americans.
65% — with those kinds of odds, we’d play the lottery.
65% of Americans voted for change. This isn’t it.
If we had a draft, this war would have ended
months ago…
Bush should be impeached. He is such an arshole
http://www.salon.com/opinion/k…..mpeachment
Got that in the mail an hour ago and don’t see it anywhere but ABC news. Anyone else?
Bay State Librul @ 6
link broke
Maybe they won’t be able to pass the supplemental. Then where are we?
Jane! Great post. This whole business about courage and machismo is driving me crazy.
I keep quoting this junior-high-school kid, from the Raleigh News & Observer, on how the war can be brought to an end:
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“‘I don’t think it’s never going to stop unless someone finds the courage to back down.’
Gary Anderson, a Smithfield eighth-grader
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www.newsobserver.com/102/story/567687.html
Why does this 8th-grader know more about real courage than all the weenies in Washington do?
This is one of the most profound statements I’ve ever seen about what it takes to end a war.
tw3k @ 8
Better linky…
http://www.salon.com/opinion/k.....peachment/
Blue Dido @ 10
agreed.
Let’s all go down to the local stationery or scrapbook store and buy a bagfull of “R”s and send them off to all the “Democrat” Reps and Sens who support this total capitulation…or would that be too subtle?
This is exactly damned right– every Democrat who votes for this piece of shit bill is buying the occupation. They can kid themselves and say they are going to fight another day, come summer, come September, come 2008, come the revolution, what fucking ever, but they are just lying, whether to themselves or the rest of us I don’t know. This is yet another example in an endless string of examples where doing the right thing would also be the politically strong thing. But the Dems can’t see it, and they never do. It is sickening that this is what we are reduced to.
They need to vote against this bill, but they need to do something else, something I think is very important: They need to show some solidarity by either signing a document or vocalizing an identical statement which spells out decisively that they support funding for the troops with accountability for the president.
Obviously, this is true. But the point I’m trying to make is that if they all — all of them — go on the record with an identical statement of support for a smarter alternative, they will at least inoculate themselves against what happened to John Kerry in 2004. When Kerry and Edwards were the only ones to vote against the $87 billion… well, we all know how that protest vote worked out.
If they’re going to take a stand — and dammit, they better — they should also make sure the public knows what they are standing for. I’d hate to see another repeat of 2004.
SusanD @ 3
The don’t really care. Most in Congress have blood on their hands and sleep just fine. They know they will not be held accountable because so many people are still in a coma or are working their tails off just to get by. The MSM keeps the public in the dark or distracted. Will it takes pitchforks and torches to wrest the levers of government from primarily priviledged, white, middle aged fat men?
Grrrrrrrrr!
TexBetsy @ 7
blitzer mentioned it about an hour ago
I called Steny Hoyer’s office a couple hours ago after I first heard about his comments on NPR. Then I sent a couple emails (”I’m extremely disappointed…”) to Reid and Pelosi. I’m in a red state, so does anyone else have any suggestions for effectively reaching out to Democrats in Congress?
This is disgusting: rubber-stamp Democrats. Karl Rove is LAUGHING, LAUGHING, LAUGHING!
Show some guts, dammit.
TexBetsy @12: one of the nuttiest things about this war is that almost none of the Republicans ever went to war—our president and vice-president avoided Vietnam—but they ALL argue that any Democrat who opposes war must be a coward. That argument somehow includes the Democrats like John Kerry, Max Cleland, John Murtha, and Al Gore, who DID go to Vietnam.
Question: how can battle-averse Republicans cast themselves as more macho and courageous than battle-tested Democrats?
Answer: because they’re putting other people’s children and lives (and the entire nation of Iraq) at risk, not their own children, let alone their own lives.
So why NOT raise our troop level to 200,000?
If any of these jerks like McNerney who can’t find some spine think they are ever getting another penny from me, they’re mistaken.
I’m asking for my money back from every one of the candidates I donated to who votes to support more money for the escalation that sends two of my loved ones back for another tour in Iraq.
VOTE NO!!!!
All the Dems are getting out of this now is a bunch of “chickenshit” publicity. Way to go Pelosi and Reid.
VOTE NO!!!!
No timeline, NO VOTE!!
Miscellaneous desperate attempts to register with a Congressional conscience:
1. “Supporting the war” is what the supplemental does (though it may fund some materiel for the troops, as an afterthought).
2. “How is bringing the troops home abandoning them?” [Stolen from ActivistGuy at DailyKos]
3. “Bush and his Bootlickers” = the Republican Party (and it looks like the “left” wing of the Two-and-ONLY-Two Party System is about to join the bootlicking club). [Stolen from dov12348 at DailyKos]
4. This is a colonial occupation and conquest of the sole Iraqi natural resource for corporate profit that the American people want nothing to do with.
5. It’s time for this country to start making friends in the world again (especially if we’re so concerned about our “national security”).
6. And something that Jim Webb just alluded to (with some welcome passion) on the Senate floor: our active-duty Armed Forces are the most endangered, yet least-compensated participants in this violent occupation of Iraq. The corporate war-machine CEOs are rolling in it, the mercenaries are rolling in it, Congressional TV-ad accounts are watching the corporate donations roll in, etc., etc. - all at the expense of the “troops” who are the only ones required to stay in the line of fire, no matter what.
[Note that the Memorial Day “break” is not just the three-day weekend the rest of America gets - but is a week-long recess for the Congressional elite. They don’t “do” long weekends - they’re always extended into a week or more.]
Blue Dido @ 21
Needs to be more publicity about how they are sending already wounded, PTSD & sleep-apnea soldiers BACK to Iraq. Now THAT takes courage. Ugh!
I place no small amount of the blame for this cave-in on Hillary Clinton for kicking the can down the road till October ‘07 with her “rescind the authorization” charade, done jointly with Bobby Byrd.
This bill was proposed May 4, just two days after Bush’s veto of the first Iraq funding bill.
http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....d=10011888
yup. who are the cowards and who are the leaders?
excellent post, jane. thank you.
Spitting mad. This is so wrong and so dumb. Yet again, Republicans have been allowed to frame the issue. So I want to know right now where Clinton, Obama, etc. stand on this bill. And the one who votes no or opposes it will be the one who gets my vote.
No, it’s not about courage. It’s about numbers. Our parade has to be bigger and louder. And that’s what will stop this disaster.
I’m finding it difficult to keep my powder dry. it’s kind of like drinking two or three beers on an airplane and finding the lines rather long into the bathroom.
TexBetsy @ 8
CNN (TV) also had it “Breaking” a couple hours ago - don’t know if they’ve had anything since - haven’t been watching.
Dems who support this are enablers just like someone who serves liquor to an alcoholic or looks the other way when dad abuses little Susie.
The only thing Bush has is bravado. Stand up to it and 65% of America will stand with you.
Support the troops not Bush’s war.
The Democratic leadership ought to start publicly insulting this piece of shit president every time any of them gets in front of a microphone. The SOB should be accused of murder, nonstop. It might not be a good idea, but it would make me fel a hell of a lot better!
How well do people think Congressional approval is going to be polling?
drive by posting:
http://www.ombwatch.org/budget.....ageact.pdf
bush doesn’t even need an appropriations bill! he just wants the “political theatre” (except when its AGAG….)
no thirty…
What ever happened to “elections have consequences?”
This is Bull Sh*t. plain and simple.
Thinking very hard about a primary here in 2008.
I am having a problem with the idea that Democratic movers and shakers are taking progressive Demos seriously. This vote is an act of cowardice. At best. Perhaps political bribery. At worst.
RevDeb @ 35
amen Rev
The Dem leadership can’t force the blue dogs to vote for a particular bill. I get that. But the leadership *can* prevent a bill from coming to a vote, right? Can’t they at least stall for a few months to let us pressure the “moderates?” Why do we have to sign the blank check *now*?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 33
Ding.
The highlights…
Why Bush hasn’t been Impeached
…
so the Dems defer justice for expediency, hmm, isn’t that characteristic of the crimes of the Bush administration…
How exactly are they going to restore respect for the rule of law, when they are themselves flaunting it so cynically ?
We still have troops in Germany from World War II, how can anyone not think that there will be troops in Iraq for at least 50 years.
All sold out: the worthless corporate Democrats have just caved into the lying election-stealing treasonous Bush and his imperial occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq with their plan to continue funding of these quagmires.
Since the corporate Democratic Party is unwilling to stand up to the bully Bush, we need to create a new political party that is independent of corporations and their endless greed.
Back in January 2006, I made and published a proposal for such a new Voter’s Internet Party. See a link at my web site: www.bottlebrushpress.com/votersinternetparty. Or do a Google search for “voter’s internet party.”
The text is below:
The Voter’s Internet Party: a modest proposal.
To the Editor:
We need to create a new Voter’s Internet Party. With every passing day in the 21st century, it is becoming painfully more obvious to all but the most fanatically partisan of us that the vast majority of the Senators and Representatives from both of the two major political parties are irrevocably corrupted by the unseemly influence of major corporations and the wealthy ruling elites. Therefore, we, the vast majority, who want clean honest open government need to form a new political party that will serve our interests, and not those of the ruling wealthy corporate elites. Therefore, may I suggest that we create a new Voter’s Internet Party to honor the ideal of a traditional count-all-the-votes democracy.
With widespread use of the Internet, we now have a relatively easy, inexpensive and efficient way to contact and organize the many millions of American voters that have been disenfranchised and disillusioned in the 21st century by the Bush & Co. theft of the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections. The brilliant example of the highly-effective grassroots campaigns of the Internet-based MoveOn.org in the 2004 Presidential campaign has shown that Internet-organizing can be a powerful tool for progressive social change.
Orange. Since orange has been clearly identified in the mass media as the color of protest of election fraud first in the Ukraine and later in the United States, let us use the color orange to help identify our new Internet Voter’s Party.
We need our new Internet Voter’s Party to help facilitate our country’s return to the exclusive use of traditional hand-counted paper ballots. We need to stage thousands of 21st century versions of the 1773 Boston Tea Party by dumping all of the computerized electronic voting machines and computerized electronic vote tabulating machines into the nearest body of water. As long as there are any computerized electronic voting machines and computerized electronic vote tabulating machines used in any voting precinct in the country, there will be Republican hackers, riggers and thugs who will find ways to rig, hack and steal future American elections. Just say no to the use of electronic computerized voting machines and electronic computerized vote tabulating machines in any future elections.
We need our new Internet Voter’s Party to demand that all future elections be administeredby professional non-partisan state civil servants, not by partisan political hacks such as the 2000 Republican Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris and the 2004 Republican Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will be grass-roots based on small individual annual contributions not to exceed a maximum of $100 per year. Our new Voter’s Internet Party will thus avoid the corporate corruption which has long been the hallmark and the curse of the two large political parties.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will honor the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will honor and preserve our natural environment.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will honor social security, labor laws and privacy laws.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will honor a woman’s right to choose.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will honor international law, international treaties and international obligations.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will not torture anyone under any circumstances. Our new Voter’s Internet Party will consider the Golden Rule regarding torture: If you don’t want it done to you when you are in legal custody, then we will not do it to anyone in American legal custody.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will honor the working people of American with good working conditions and a living wage for all.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will honor the public’s right to control public airwaves and to thus require public interest broadcasting on television and radio instead of the current arrangement of allow greedy private corporations to dominate our airwaves.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will honor the right to universal health care and universal single-payer health insurance.
Our new Voter’s Internet Party will return the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to its traditional watch-dog role of protecting the American consumer instead of its current practice of protecting and enlarging the obscene profits of greedy drug manufacturers.
Yours truly,
James K. Sayre
26 January 2006
Cheers.
Sophist @ 41
precisely! It is all kabuki.
There’s no way I’m voting for the front runners in the Democratic primary. And the next general election may be the last I vote in as a Demo.
please call your D congress critters (those that have them) today, if it’s not too late, and tommorrow…. let them know that you want them to vote NO on anything without a withdrawal timeline.
Like everyone else, I find this thoroughly disappointing. But the dems are all we’ve got to fight back with right now, the only thing to do is keep pushing them. I’ll be calling my rep’s office in the morning, though I’m fairly sure he’ll (Keith Ellison) be inclined to vote no anyway.
truly, you want to lead the nation but you can’t even win a poker hand from a a dunce like bully coy bush?
exactly why should you get our votes?
and another thing: this basically gives the repugs a stick to beat you with every time you try to point out that this is the goopers’ war.
so much stupidity in so short a time. impressive, really.
SDS brothers and sisters. Where are you when we need you?
Any statements from the Out of Iraq Caucus that anyone has heard of?
New math for Rahm and Steny
When is 68=99=8 valid?
When Chicago = Seattle = Denver
If someone were trying to needle me, that pix at the top is effective.
“a cheap sandlot bully like George Bush”
Well said, Jane.
This notion that Congress HAD to pass a bill that Bush would sign is A LIE. They could refuse to offer a spending bill on Iraq…and end the war.
They chose to continue the bloodshed. Those who vote for more bloodshed, from ANY party, should be defeated by the nearly 70% of us who demand our soldiers be brought home.
This is beyond shameful. There is NO EXCUSE.
I think the argument is sound, but I don’t believe we have a well founded grip on what has happened to destroy any chance of democratic government remaining.
more deeds were “leaked” today that show the congress, not demos or repubs or independent, have ignored their constituents wishes and are ignoring them. There is no politician that witnessed the last November election and does not realize that they are going to be removed if there is another election. These few that will vote against such a measure are heroes.
but as you can tell from the other events, permanent bases, no end to war, halitosis moves to become a company of a Middle Eastern nation rather than the US, the US is supplying arms to the Sunni’s in vast numbers, whether Saudi Arabia>Al Caca connection, or the other sunni based groups. they have to, this is ordered by the people that own our government now, and they are controlled by the saudi because they can cripple the world by helping start the war on Iran.
this is never going to end now, it is what they have sought and worked toward. and we, the people have and will pay for it all.
this is most naive and repellent that our democratic controlled congress would even consider another bill to send before the king. damn the magna carta.
RevDeb @ 43
precisely! It is all
kabukitriangulation.This is disappointing, but not unexpected. I’ve only been a registered member of the Democratic Party for a month now, and I’m not going to walk away over this. The Party had been out of power in congress for 144 months, and has only four plus months back in power. 2008 will give us many victories in the House, a few in the Senate, and maybe the WH. There is SO MUCH to be done between now and the 2008 elections, I hate to see the Party get shunted into a few energy sapping issues like a continued war funding stalemate or impeachment. Investigate, investigate, investigate.
OTOH, I hate this goddam fucking war!
Blue Dido @ 11
Ten Reasons Why Washington Does NOT Want to End the War (not necessarily in order of importance):
1. George Bush’s legacy
2. America’s prestige
3. Military-Industrial profits
4. Middle East instability (desired)
5. Control of Iraq’s oil
6. Israel
7. Weak domestic job market
8. George Bush’s legacy
9. Control of Iraq’s oil
10.Military-Industrial profits
You don’t really think that the will of 65% of the peon class matters, do you? Or the wisdom of an 8th grader?
Ok Kiddo - there is a new SDS - just fyi
But the real question is where are we and what can we do. I’m printing out photos from Iraq - and mailing them to each congresscritter who votes for this travesty.
And I’m hoping we remember precisely what just happened … and make sure they know we are watching. We gave the D’s a pass by allowing them to quash the Out of Iraq caucus on the supplemental - let’s not do that again.
AP - Flinching in the face of a veto threat, Democratic congressional leaders neared agreement with the Bush administration Tuesday on legislation to pay for the Iraq war without setting a timeline for troop withdrawal.
I need to calm down.
E-mailed to Boxer, Pelosi, and Feinstein (Feinstein’s e-mail page is screwed up, looks like they got halfway through a redesign and quit with two pages competing for e-mail):
TexBetsy @ 1
Hi, TexBetsy!
Congrats on the zed. You’re ON it today! I’m just tuning in on my lunch(!) hour.
Bob in HI
What was that Pottery Barn rule?
They break it, we buy it?
The problem is that Pelosi likes Bush. That is the main problem. She is not passionate enough against him personally to take a firm stand. He must have gotten to her and snake-charmed her.
On the picture at the top:
‘George go walkie?’
(to quote from one of Swopa’s caption contests)
Publicus @ 54
AMEN!
Bob Schacht @ 62
Hey Bob. Good to see you.
TeddySanFran @ 10
This is exactly what should happen. Vote NO on this bill!!!! Leave the Preznit with NO money to fund his War Games! And take away his allowance, too! (Sorry, got carried away.)
Bob in HI
Looks like Pelosi might vote no.
Could have paid off our debt to China with what we’ve put into this sinkhole.
Gee, sorry Mr. Prezdinent, we had the votes to get the bill to your desk before, but YOU vetoed it…now we don’t have the votes…Too bad, so sad.
Maybe that’s the plan.
LS @ 71
The FDLers are clearly smarter and more creative than the elected officials.
More details on the Falwell anti-protester wanna-be bomb throwers from Fox News. I guess they’ve got good sources with the fundies.
I thought if we fought them over there, we wouldn’t have to… Wait, if we retreat they’ll follow us… How is staying in Iraq stopping domestic terrorism again?
Balrog
Congratulations on the wee one!
alton @ 73
It isn’t terrorism if they’re WHITE silly.
And where in the world is the creative thinking that could come up with valid alternative conference language that would help the Democrats at least hold the line against the Executive Branch? Because the other thing that’s about to go down in flames here is the co-equal independence of our Legislative Branch of government. The Founders would be horrified to see this failure to defend institutional territory and prerogative by our federal legislature. [The Byrd/Clinton AUMF-deauthorization proposal at least asserted the Constitutional powers of the legislature - but there hasn’t been a peep about that approach since the week it was first proffered.]
Have Reid and Pelosi asked for input from every Member of Congress about a solution, or are a handful of stale multi-decade-incumbents who ended up as “leaders” by default hording to themselves all debate about options and ideas for this conference report?
Balrog @ 67
Pelosi 07!
Yes, Congrats Balrog!
What Ed*ard Teller said (57 above) except that I have been a Democrat for 35 years.
P J Evans @ 65
Here’s the same thing from a different angle…
From Balrog’s “NO” link:
“Mindful of the split within their ranks, and of the fury the compromise will likely spark among anti-war activists, Pelosi and the rest of the House Democratic leadership will promise to return to the timelines — and other measures designed to pressure Bush to withdraw from Iraq — in the Defense appropriations bill for the next fiscal year. “We’ll be able to write a lot of policy in appropriations that Bush won’t be able to veto,” says the official.”
So, what is UP with That Photo at the top?
Is he sayin’ It’s This Long? or is it the old..
See, I tole ya, I cain’t lose. See, I’m always gonna be the Winner.
And, when we’re all put on trial for Murder, will we be able to Plead The Fifth, like all the others?
It’s a crappy Tuesday afternoon. I’m bummed, to say the very least.
D. Moore @ 81
Maybe he’s saying: “It’s good to be King”.
P J Evans @ 65
All of the wounded and all of the survivors of those killed in Bush’s war should get an autographed photo of the what-me-worry? preznit.
Ed*ard Teller @ 57
Disagree completely.
There is nothing more important than ending this war now, and the Dems could easily paint Bush as the cause of the stalemate, if only they had the will.
Pentagon’s Teen Recruiting Methods Would Make Tobacco Companies Proud
LS @ 83
At least 100x a day.
snakedoctor @ 14
Maybe buy some marbles instead and send them all some balls.
We’re No. 1! America Leads the World in War Profits
Frida Berrigan, Tomdispatch.com
ForeignPolicy: The United States is
a proud nation of firsts — among them weapon sales, military expenditure, oil consumption, CO2 emissions, external debt, private military personnel and more.
Siun @ 58
maybe that wasn’t a “first step” to ending the war? sigh.
So now we take note of who votes for this disgusting bill and we act accordingly.
What must happen for the Congress to realize that we must bring them home? NOW
Pat Murphy on the Housr floor, passionate!
Bay State Librul @ 12
This is an important article! And a good companion piece for Al Gore’s new book.
Bob in HI
Prime the Pump!
America’s greatest problem is a corrupt, incestous, amoral ruling elite. It’s not unlike the ruling elites of Russia before their revolution. Wealth concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. A sycophantic, fawning military and bureacracy. Increased levels of poverty and privation. An official press that was strictly controlled. A war (WWI) that was unpopular with troops who were poorly trained and equipped. Early 20th Century Russians appartently had a lower tolerance for corruption, crimes malfeasance, and governmental indifferece than the American public, but then the Russians didn’t have “Russian Idol” or “Can You Dance?”
tbsa @ 88
Ha ha ha ha ha!!! LOL
Hi y’all!
Now, now, now. Let’s calm down and figure out how we can turn this pig’s ear into a silk purse.
I suggest the meme be furthered that the Democrats are supporting the troops by funding them when Bush who thinks soldiers get too much pay and the families of those killed in his war receive benefits for which they are unworthy threatens to veto the funds which would protect our men and women in harm’s way.
In fact, it seems to me that this is what is actually happening even though I would like another attempt at passing the previous bill one more time first.
No matter what they do, Bush will stamp his feet and whine and wail and, believe you me, most of the corporate press will be only too quick to give him the “benefit fo the doubt” and remind us that September is coming soon.
tw3k @ 55
from david sirota today:
We had graduation last night at the school where I work. I am pleased to say not a single senior signed up to serve under Bush.
Are they at least going to attach the minimum wage increase to bill? I feel sick.
LS @ 70
I LIKE IT!
This is appalling. I emailed Pelosi, Reid, both of my Senators and Rep. All I can say is they damn well better vote against this thing. And I think we need to recruit and promote progressive challengers to EVERY Democrat that supports this travesty.
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By law the military is supposed to receive a 3.7% pay raise. But this nation is no longer concerned about the rule of law.
Pelosi live on MSNBC
Oklahoma kiddo @ 96
Best news of the day.
TexBetsy @ 8
IOKIYAR?
I do not understand my party right now. They are acting like last November did not take place. When it comes to the war they cower like they are in the minority and do not have any power. Perhaps a wakeup call is needed.
I bet if contributions decline rapidly from the grassroots folks, or some grassroots groups target a few D’s that vote Yea you would see some serious re-direction.
Emanuel: this bill is the beginning of the end of the war in Iraq. These people must have bumped their heads…..