THOSE two republicans don’t WANT the democrats, or anyone else, to end it. It’s their baby, and they aint gonna kill it themselves.

Removing them will be; will HAVE to be, the most bi-partisan thing that’s been done in George Bush’s two terms.

And what do you think will happen if Pelosi and the democrats end it?

Tell us your plan for the apple-pie scenario that will follow, complete with the gratitude of an adoring nation?

Eli says:

“We cannot afford to let the republicans be the heroes, after 5 years of villany.”

Anyone who thinks that whomever is responsible for pulling our troops out of Iraq will be viewed as “heroes” by the american electorate is living on Mars.

What is disheartening about this view of the shitmire, is that you people don’t understand the pressure that the republicans are under.
You have this foolish idea that they can continue this for years, even decades.

They cannot.

If the democrats pull the plug, the republicans will lay everything that follows on them.

The clock is ticking, on the people who started this misery. Get out of your panic mode, and let it tick.

I think organizing a boycott of the 2008 election–with a primary-season show of strength is what’s needed now. Maybe that will get the Democrats’ attention!

Yep…just give our good dem leaders time and benefit of doubt. After all we are not suffering are we?

“It’s as if they don’t really want to end the war like they said on the campaign trail.”

Spot-on, Spork! They DON’T want to end it…

They want the people who started it to end it.

That way, the RIGHT set of assholes (pun intended) will get blamed for what follows.

Aint it awful? :o)

According to WaPo:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was so disappointed with the outcome that she said she might vote against the Iraq portion of the package, which will be split into two parts when it comes before the House. “I’m not likely to vote for something that doesn’t have a timetable,” she said.

At least she’s still got some balls.

I can’t believe some of you guys. I mean, it’s a revelation, how naive you are.

There is a child a-borning in Iraq, as we speak.

The birth process has been long and bloody, and is going to be more so.

It’s agonizing, for those of us with the smarts and the conscience to know how unnecessary this unwanted “pregnancy” was and is.

The baby, when it comes all the way out, will have horns and a tail, and it’s Mom’s name is “Rosemary”.

At this point, the identity of the father is also NOT at issue. He is one George W. Bush.

But for some perverse reason; mostly, I think, impatience; a lot of decent and otherwise perceptive people would like for the democrats to raise their hands, and start claiming paternity for the little bastard, AND for his post-partum behavior.

Not good.

Pelosi and the dems are doing all they can.

At this point, they are doing all they SHOULD do.

They do not have a veto-proof majority.

I’m sorry, but this is an excellent and useful fact. It means that no matter what the republicans say, the democrats do NOT bear the responsibility for ending the war.

That little responsibility-seed is something that the GOP would dearly love to implant in the american psyche. Kinda like the monster pupae in the “Alien” movies. In fact, they, in their slimeball hypocrisy, are already trying to do it.

“See! They have a one-vote majority in the Senate! It’s ALL their fault!”

Just imagine what they would be doing if Pelosi and company really COULD manage to pull the plug on the war.

About a month ago, Obama said:

“We shouldn’t play chicken with the troops lives at stake.”

I assume he had a turd in his pocket, when he used that collective pronoun, because the democrats are NOT the ones playing chicken.

Or, not very well. That would be the republicans, who are daring US to trigger the inevitable ending (it will also be a “beginning”, just not the one that Perle and Wolfowitz envisioned), so they can point to the results of THEIR little passion-play-in-the-desert, and rip US for “creating” those results.

Guys, it’s simple. George Bush’s ‘nads are in that same old bench vise. HE put them there, but at this point, the handle is being turned by lots of people…including Ms. Pelosi. :o)

Why on earth would WE want to start backing off on the pressure, and let him extract himself and the republicans, and then turn around and blame us for the denouement?

Everytime someone posts about Pelosi selling out, by not doing some mysterious feats of political legerdemain, using powerful magic that she got in last November’s mid-terms, they’re saying that they think what follows a pull-out from Iraq will be, if not “good”, then at least tolerable, for the people who engineer it.

It is abject nonsense. And Pelosi knows it, as do most democrats and a lot of republicans.

The game of “chicken” is afoot, dear Watsons, and we might as well realize it, and start playing it ourselves. WE have the hammer. It’s a good’ern.

Time, itself. :o)

All we have to do is wait, and watch the dumbshit repubs, as they keep playing that old John-Wayne-climbs-Suribachi clip in their heads. That is, until, as with the “Goldwater 11″ last week, enough of them holler:

“Help!!! 2008!!!”… and come to the democrats and say: “Okay. Let’s do it.”

Does anyone think that, at this point, most american voters are confused about who bears most of the responsibility for what has happened in Iraq, and MUCH more importantly, for what is GOING to happen there?

I hope none of you think that. I also hope that none of you are really willing to change that, by having Pelosi, etc, IF they could, pull the plug on the war and trigger the shit that is going to follow our leaving.

Somewhere there is a granite cenotaph with the words on it:

“THEY started it; we begged them not to. The result is highly likely to be pure hell. Let THEM have the responsibility for ending it.”

Specifically, that little referendum mandate for Kirkuk that’s graven in stone in the Iraqi “constitution” by the end of the year, is a pre-meteor, meteor. Bush would love, in fact; he just about HAS to, get the Kurds to postpone that vote. I don’t know if he can. It’s the very reason that Talabani and the Kurds joined the Kum-ba-yah “greater Iraq” chorus, and it’s the cornerstone of their push for an independent state.

I don’t know what bush can offer Talabani to make them postpone it. I doubt he’ll settle for the taxpayer-funded visit to an american fat-farm that is on his schedule this week.

Anyway, when that goes down, it will almost certainly give control of Kirkuk to the Kurds, along with a legitimate claim to at least some of the those giant fields around Kirkuk.

The Turks are adamant in their position against this. Their military is about 2 generals away from a coup, as we speak. The next Turkish leader is going to be doing some saber-rattling that will make bush’s waving his toy sword at Iran look like…a kid waving a toy sword.

As I said up-thread, Gordon Brown is not going to pick up the poodle-jacket that bush knitted for Blair, and put it on. 1600 Brits are scheduled to leave by the end of the summer; maybe sooner, if the increase in casualties that they’ve been taking in the south continues.

All we have to do (”we” being the new alliance of Wall St. repubs; the saner generals, and the saner congresscritters, and us, of course) is watch bush very closely, to make sure that he doesn’t do a midnight attack on Iran, and, of course, keep the pressure on. The rest of it is on the way. Probably, within a year, but it’s entirely possible that the republicans will see what’s staring them in the face, sooner, and we could have Cheyney going within 6-8 months, and that will trigger all sorts of things.

I think Rice may take off to be the Provost at Bob Jones University. :o) Or maybe she can get Halliburton to name a tanker truck after her, for moving into their corporate boardroom.

The weather’s brewing up, but it’s nothing we can’t handle. :o)

Steady as she goes, Captain Pelosi.

We have our soldiers in the middle of an UNWINNABLE CIVIL WAR getting killed maimed everyday. And the dems know this is unwinnable yet they back down…that is sick. We have Exxon/Mobile crushing the lives of average hard working Americans with their control of the flow of gasoline. We have Bush/Cheney trying to attack Iran under any false reason he can generate…you have all probably noticed a sudden leap in anti Iran propaganda in the last few days…its starting in earnest and will happen soon.

MOBILIZE AGAINST EXXON/MOBILE. BOYCOTT ALL THINGS EXXON. Lets move to get a groundswell of support for boycotts and possibly a one day general strike..to be 2, then a week if they do capitulate to WE THE PEOPLE!. I know it sounds absurd. I know your all thinking “yeah right…fat chance”. BULLSHIT. THIS NATION HAS HAD IT WITH THE CRIMINALS IN THE WHITE HOUSE and THE DEMOCRATS THAT ARE COWERING FROM THEM. The vast majority of the nation is on our side and will get behind us if we can start this war. The dems do not care that the oil companies are literally holding all working Americans HOSTAGE to their gasoline prices. The dems WILL DO NOTHING TO STOP THIS CRIME OR THE CRIME IN IRAQ or the crime thats about happen in Iran.

Mobilize against EXXON/MOBILE. Start talk of a general strike…it may not even have to happen as the mere mention of such a thing will strike fear in the pockets of the rich (they have no heart). That is how we bring the white house down…no one day protest will do it. Only a declaration of war against the corporates will get action.

It has to start with the liberal blogoshpere. We know there is power here….we can start the tsunami. WE ARE THE TSUNAMI. We need a WAVE OF ANTI CORPORATE ACTIONS. Can someone start a major thread calling for this action? I dont have enough clout around here. Can someone start a thread announcing a call to arms with the target as WALL STREET and the CORPORATIONS? We need to push the dems aside as they are clearly part of the problem not the solution. We need this strategy to be headline not buried in our blogging. Can we do this? YES! Will it be easy? No but it can happen. Spread out across the blogosphere, sign up for all of our favorite blogs (you know who they are) and push this message: WE ARE DONE WAITING FOR LEADERS TO STOP THE BLOODLETTING AND THE RAPE OF THE AMERICAN WORKER BY EXXON. DONE.

Please FDL…we must get our soldiers out Iraq and the dems are useless. I am shaking with anger as I think of more young men dying in Iraq while Pelosi BACKS THE WHITE HOUSE CALL FOR MORE DEAD SOLDIERS. And the corporations are the real hidden reason for all of this sick shit and we the people are about to STOP IT. This the time and this is the moment.

Mobilize against Exxon/Mobile. Start the talk of a general strike by all those held hostage by big oil and all those who cry for our soldiers. That will scare the hell out of these MFs.

No, you don’t. It’s not incoherent at all. It’s precisely what’s happening. W just took another big ol crap in bed and our elected are asking whether they should clean it up or just lie down in the steamy-stinky pile. It’s pathetic.