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		<title>By: della Rovere</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/21/par-for-the-fact-free-course/#comment-706398</link>
		<dc:creator>della Rovere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think everyday the Washington Piss provides editorial space for the liars from the Bush Administration. I guess being a newspaper is hard work and it is easier to be the official organ of the Bush Administration. The transformation from Post to Piss is complete; the only further hope that Hiatt has is to work for Murdoch. Maybe he can  but the Washington Piss and join it to its New York sister paper.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyday the Washington Piss provides editorial space for the liars from the Bush Administration. I guess being a newspaper is hard work and it is easier to be the official organ of the Bush Administration. The transformation from Post to Piss is complete; the only further hope that Hiatt has is to work for Murdoch. Maybe he can  but the Washington Piss and join it to its New York sister paper.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/21/par-for-the-fact-free-course/#comment-706395</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706130&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;zhiv @ 55&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Welcome back, CHS.  You missed another fun week, but it just keeps getting better and better…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reading Greenwald (and being in a dark deep subcategory of newsconsumer), I have to say that I had no idea about the October 2001 revisions of FISA.  Following this (warrantless wiretapping) and the various other threads (USAs, Plamegate, etc.) for awhile now, I wonder how many Pups and others knew that FISA had been thoroughly revised?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think somebody like McConnell makes an honest mistake here, but the October revisions are definitely not part of the mainstream–or, I don’t think, naive blogstream like me–understanding of the sequence of events in the NSA story.  For instance, were the revisions  mentioned in the Frontline documentary last week?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that there were also FISA revisions in the early-1990’s after the FBI used FISA to declare Aldrich Ames a “foreign agent”. Certainly there was an expansion to include “physical searches” in the FISA Act in 1995.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-falsely-claims-that-previous-administration-did-the-same-thing/&quot;&gt;http://thinkprogress.org/2006/.....ame-thing/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I believe that the term used in the FISA Law is “electronic communication” and “electronic interception”. There is no issue with the ability of FISA to apply to email AND OTHER DIGITAL TRANSMISSIONS. It’s just silly. Where the Bush administration apparently has problems is with their wanting to undertake widespread “fishing expeditions” on billions of communications of those not involved with terrorists in order to find a few words of phrases that might be related to terrorism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These programs are blatantly illegal, and of course would never receive warrants from a FISA court. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When McConnel suggests that technology has outrun FISA he isn’t talking about the technology used by terrorists, he’s talking about the governments ability to spy on massive amounts of people, both citizens and non-citizens alike. FISA is a roadblock in the ability of these government spies to snoop on our daily affairs. McConnel wants to rescind the 4th Amendment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-706130"><em>zhiv @ 55</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Welcome back, CHS.  You missed another fun week, but it just keeps getting better and better…</p>
<p>Reading Greenwald (and being in a dark deep subcategory of newsconsumer), I have to say that I had no idea about the October 2001 revisions of FISA.  Following this (warrantless wiretapping) and the various other threads (USAs, Plamegate, etc.) for awhile now, I wonder how many Pups and others knew that FISA had been thoroughly revised?</p>
<p>I don’t think somebody like McConnell makes an honest mistake here, but the October revisions are definitely not part of the mainstream–or, I don’t think, naive blogstream like me–understanding of the sequence of events in the NSA story.  For instance, were the revisions  mentioned in the Frontline documentary last week?</p>
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<p>I think that there were also FISA revisions in the early-1990’s after the FBI used FISA to declare Aldrich Ames a “foreign agent”. Certainly there was an expansion to include “physical searches” in the FISA Act in 1995.</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/31/sotu-bush-falsely-claims-that-previous-administration-did-the-same-thing/">http://thinkprogress.org/2006/&#8230;..ame-thing/</a></p>
<p> I believe that the term used in the FISA Law is “electronic communication” and “electronic interception”. There is no issue with the ability of FISA to apply to email AND OTHER DIGITAL TRANSMISSIONS. It’s just silly. Where the Bush administration apparently has problems is with their wanting to undertake widespread “fishing expeditions” on billions of communications of those not involved with terrorists in order to find a few words of phrases that might be related to terrorism.</p>
<p>These programs are blatantly illegal, and of course would never receive warrants from a FISA court. </p>
<p>When McConnel suggests that technology has outrun FISA he isn’t talking about the technology used by terrorists, he’s talking about the governments ability to spy on massive amounts of people, both citizens and non-citizens alike. FISA is a roadblock in the ability of these government spies to snoop on our daily affairs. McConnel wants to rescind the 4th Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: burnspbesq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/21/par-for-the-fact-free-course/#comment-706383</link>
		<dc:creator>burnspbesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706128&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 53&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The weather in southern california this spring has been very substandard. We haven’t seen much of the sun and we’ve been stuck in the low sixties. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s not bad for much of the country- but it sucks big time for those of us here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enjoy it while you can.  In 20 years, all of SoCal will be like El Centro all year round.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-706128"><em>rwcole @ 53</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The weather in southern california this spring has been very substandard. We haven’t seen much of the sun and we’ve been stuck in the low sixties. </p>
<p>That’s not bad for much of the country- but it sucks big time for those of us here.</p>
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<p>Enjoy it while you can.  In 20 years, all of SoCal will be like El Centro all year round.</p>
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		<title>By: burnspbesq</title>
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		<dc:creator>burnspbesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706104&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 30&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;xyz&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My congresscritter is Bilbray- not much chance but I’ll drop him a line.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel your pain; I’m in Royce’s district.  He’s going to die in that seat unless he gets caught in the sack with a dead girl or a live boy, or a sack full of Brent Wilkes’ cash.  But I can drive across town and be in Loretta Sanchez-land.  And we can start working on finding a credible Dem to go after Rohrbacher in 2008.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-706104"><em>rwcole @ 30</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>xyz</p>
<p>My congresscritter is Bilbray- not much chance but I’ll drop him a line.</p>
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<p>I feel your pain; I’m in Royce’s district.  He’s going to die in that seat unless he gets caught in the sack with a dead girl or a live boy, or a sack full of Brent Wilkes’ cash.  But I can drive across town and be in Loretta Sanchez-land.  And we can start working on finding a credible Dem to go after Rohrbacher in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: theExile</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/21/par-for-the-fact-free-course/#comment-706334</link>
		<dc:creator>theExile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706202&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 124&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here’s what I want from our next president and Congress. An end to the occupation of Iraq. No more unprovoked wars by the U.S. government anywhere. And a comprehensive top to bottom new Middle East policy. Starting with a fair and just settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sounds reasonable to me!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-706202"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 124</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Here’s what I want from our next president and Congress. An end to the occupation of Iraq. No more unprovoked wars by the U.S. government anywhere. And a comprehensive top to bottom new Middle East policy. Starting with a fair and just settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.</p>
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<p>Sounds reasonable to me!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: slangist</title>
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		<dc:creator>slangist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Simpering Debbie makes it quite clear that the editorialists can lie all they want. She only ombuds news stories. Weasel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simpering Debbie makes it quite clear that the editorialists can lie all they want. She only ombuds news stories. Weasel.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/21/par-for-the-fact-free-course/#comment-706283</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706193&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;scarecrow @ 115&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706188&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bob Schacht @ 110&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What we need to &lt;a href=&quot;http://priming-the-pump.wikispaces.com/&quot;&gt;Prime the Pump&lt;/a&gt; is some actual proposed Articles of Impeachment against Gonzales. If anyone knows where they can be found, please drop off a note at Priming the Pump.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ask and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-greenwald/lets-start-using-the-i_b_48967.html&quot;&gt;ye shall receive &lt;/a&gt;– they’re coming; here’s the preface.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks! But this is still, as you observe, only the preface. No actual formal proposed Articles of Impeachment yet that I can see. Or did I miss them? Yes, the raw material is there. But we need a lawyer who is used to writing indictments to translate that raw material into  the right legal language. (Christy, are your ears still on???)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-706193"><em>scarecrow @ 115</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-706188"><em>Bob Schacht @ 110</em></a></p>
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<p>What we need to <a href="http://priming-the-pump.wikispaces.com/">Prime the Pump</a> is some actual proposed Articles of Impeachment against Gonzales. If anyone knows where they can be found, please drop off a note at Priming the Pump.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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<p>Ask and <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-greenwald/lets-start-using-the-i_b_48967.html">ye shall receive </a>– they’re coming; here’s the preface.</p>
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<p>Thanks! But this is still, as you observe, only the preface. No actual formal proposed Articles of Impeachment yet that I can see. Or did I miss them? Yes, the raw material is there. But we need a lawyer who is used to writing indictments to translate that raw material into  the right legal language. (Christy, are your ears still on???)</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: scarecrow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/21/par-for-the-fact-free-course/#comment-706282</link>
		<dc:creator>scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy — emptywheel had a post in which she speculated about why McConnell is seeking revisions to FISA — one of the things they’re seeking is retroactive immunity for the telecoms for allowing their customers to be spied on — and there would have been a period after the Wednesday Night Ambush in which the original program was no longer authorized by the Attorney General, something the telecoms were relying on as a legal shield. This suggests that updating for new technology is just a smoke screen, as Glenn conclude. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Follow the dots: from &lt;a href=&quot;http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/05/is_this_how_to_.html&quot;&gt;emptywheel&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/02/906/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy — emptywheel had a post in which she speculated about why McConnell is seeking revisions to FISA — one of the things they’re seeking is retroactive immunity for the telecoms for allowing their customers to be spied on — and there would have been a period after the Wednesday Night Ambush in which the original program was no longer authorized by the Attorney General, something the telecoms were relying on as a legal shield. This suggests that updating for new technology is just a smoke screen, as Glenn conclude. </p>
<p>Follow the dots: from <a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/05/is_this_how_to_.html">emptywheel</a> to <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/02/906/">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: xargaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>xargaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706104&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 30&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;xyz&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My congresscritter is Bilbray- not much chance but I’ll drop him a line.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is your Congressman still claiming that his permanent residence is not at his home in Imperial Beach or on the East Coast with his family, but in his mother’s house in Carlsbad; within the district he represents. Have any of his mother’s neighbors seen him lately?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-706104"><em>rwcole @ 30</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>xyz</p>
<p>My congresscritter is Bilbray- not much chance but I’ll drop him a line.</p>
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<p>Is your Congressman still claiming that his permanent residence is not at his home in Imperial Beach or on the East Coast with his family, but in his mother’s house in Carlsbad; within the district he represents. Have any of his mother’s neighbors seen him lately?</p>
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		<title>By: Nanz</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/21/par-for-the-fact-free-course/#comment-706265</link>
		<dc:creator>Nanz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706225&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Blank Kludge @ 143&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-706191&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GSD @ 113&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That would be like trying to argue that the peeping Tom laws should be changed because of the advent of thermopane windows.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;MySpace in deal with 8 state attorneys general&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By Kenneth Li&lt;br /&gt;
Reuters&lt;br /&gt;
Monday, May 21, 2007; 12:59 PM&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;NEW YORK (Reuters) - Popular Internet social network MySpace said on Monday it reached an accord with eight U.S. state attorneys general and has worked out a legal mechanism to hand over information on convicted sex offenders found on its service.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Last week, a coalition of U.S. law enforcement authorities criticized the News Corp.-owned (NWSa.N) service for not divulging information from profiles of convicted sex offenders on MySpace.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–snip–&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does anyone else think this is a bit…too much?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why 8 here?— interesting symmetry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-706225"><em>Blank Kludge @ 143</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-706191"><em>GSD @ 113</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>That would be like trying to argue that the peeping Tom laws should be changed because of the advent of thermopane windows.</p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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<blockquote><p><b>MySpace in deal with 8 state attorneys general</b></p>
<p>By Kenneth Li<br />
Reuters<br />
Monday, May 21, 2007; 12:59 PM</p>
<p>NEW YORK (Reuters) &#8211; Popular Internet social network MySpace said on Monday it reached an accord with eight U.S. state attorneys general and has worked out a legal mechanism to hand over information on convicted sex offenders found on its service.</p>
<p>Last week, a coalition of U.S. law enforcement authorities criticized the News Corp.-owned (NWSa.N) service for not divulging information from profiles of convicted sex offenders on MySpace.</p>
<p>–snip–</p>
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<p>Does anyone else think this is a bit…too much?</p>
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<p>Why 8 here?— interesting symmetry.</p>
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