While Meet the Press didn't see fit this week to even mention James Comey's jaw-dropping testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week (I guess Shooter didn't give Pumpkinhead the thumb's up), US News has an article on the fallout from Comey's testimony:
If the thinking in the administration was that Gonzales can ride it out," says Steven Dettelbach, a former federal prosecutor and former Democratic staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee, "this is Exhibit A that it could get worse."
Indeed, congressional sources tell U.S. News that Democrats will ask the Texas Bar Association to determine whether Gonzales violated his code of professional responsibility or broke laws by bringing up the NSA program in the hospital in front of Ashcroft's wife, who lacks security clearances. "I am not going to speculate on discussions that may or may not have taken place," Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd responded, "much less attempt to render a legal judgment on any such discussions."
That's certainly an interesting angle.
Such actions have made Comey something of a bete noire in the Bush administration-even though Comey believes that Bush respected him and wanted him to do the right thing. Indeed, now some Democrats, including Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, say they will even back Comey for attorney general if Gonzales resigns. "The only thing worse than being vilified by the left," says Comey with a laugh, "is being idolized by the left."
I agree with Glenn Greenwald, Abu will never resign:
It has seemed highly unlikely all along, and still does, that Bush is going to ever force Gonzales to leave, or that Gonzales will leave on his own. Independent of all the cultural and psychological dynamics that govern Bush's "loyalty" fetishses, the single most important asset Bush has right now is that the prosecutorial machinery is in the clutches of his most craven, obedient and loyal follower.
If Gonzales leaves, then his replacement will have to be confirmed by the Senate, which is highly unlikely to confirm anyone who is too politically loyal to the Bush circle. That means that the only alternative to Gonzales' staying is an independent Justice Department that acts in the interests of justice, rather than Bush's political and personal interests. That is what Bush fears most, and that is why Gonzales will almost certainly stay, unless he is forced out.
And Comey as AG? Well there is that pesky "pleasure of the President" thing that Bush just loves to roll lecherously off his tongue. Considering the fact that there are probably chickens being frantically waved as Commander Codpiece sticks one pin after another into his little Comey effigy just before he takes his afternoon nap, I think that'll happen just after hell freezes over and shortly before pigs fly.
And why hadn't Comey testified before?
Comey told U.S. News he was prepared to testify about the Ashcroft incident for more than three years but never did. Why? "Nobody ever asked," he said. "I've never been in a forum where I was obligated to answer the question. Short of that, it was not something I was going to volunteer."
That would be the great statesman and moderate Arlen Specter who refused to subpoena Comey when the details of the midnight trip to Ashcroft's room came out in January of '06. It doesn't make Comey a hero, but given the vindictive nature of the thugs of BushCo and the fact that Comey has small children it is understandable:
His actions at the hospital, he testified, earned him Card's wrath. Soon after Gonzales became attorney general, his then chief of staff, Kyle Sampson, told Comey that Gonzales's "vision" was to merge the deputy's office with Gonzales's own office. That meant that Comey would have lost some of his autonomy, becoming less of a leader and more of a senior staff member. A source close to Sampson says he merely wanted Gonzales and Comey to operate as a "seamless leadership team," with "harmony rather than conflict," and never meant to "degrade the status or authority" of the deputy. Comey didn't buy it. "You may want to try that with the next deputy attorney general," Comey is said to have responded to Sampson. "But it's not going to work with me."
I'd still like to hear someone ask Comey about the details of his depature from the DoJ and whether, as looseheadprop has speculated, he was indeed the first "purge."
(YouTube h/t Bailey, via AmericaBlog)



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Jane!!!
Comey the first purge?
Or Ashcroft?
I swear if the Dems cave on this bil… I’ll, I’ll-agghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
And so it goes, the more we speculate, the more we underestimate the corruption & crassness of Bush Handlers, Inc.
“Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing” – John Fletcher Moulton
Jane!
Let’s hope for a vote of no confidence, then. I really want to see Gonzalez out of a job.
wow, posted this next to last downstairs and it’s on point here;
holy CROW, I’ve had ANOTHER epiphame!
leahy or waxman calls comey back one more time.
in open session he asks him point blank;
“did any prograsm you thought was illegal include stealing private or business information from any members of congress or stealing information from any American you thought had nothing to do with national security or you thought they could never get demonstrate any reason to eavesdrop on their business or private lives?
comey HAS to say;
“I am not at liberty to reveal any information regarding any of these programs”
HA…THEN the wing nuts will get it…the administration is STEALING information
leahy goes on;
“withstanding the information you are not at liberty to testify, could there be programs you don’t know about that DID involve stealing information that had NOTHING to do with national security”
HA
comey CAN answer this question SINCE it’s only speculation from his perspective, his answer HAS to be, “I don’t know, it’s possible” or, “yes, that is possible, I don’t know though”
BINGO
howz the expression go?
never ask your witness a questionyou don’t know the answer to?
we know the answers to these questions don’t we, they cannot be anything but
I wonder if we will look back on all this blogging as a desperate attempt to make a difference. One that was ignored.
OfT: Chris Matthews asks, “Will Bill Clinton be more trouble than he’s worth?”
jeebus, Tweety, project much?
snowbird42 @ 8
answer to the first part of your post, yes, we are desperate to save our country and her constitution
your second part, we are hardly ignored, we are no small component of what happened in the most recent elections and we will be the main reason electronic voting machines are not used in the next presidential election
WE ARE HERE AND WE MADE A DIFFERANCE
and we will continue making a differance
Blue Dido @ 6
What makes anyone think that a mere vote of no confidence will make Gonzo resign? The only thing that will force him out is impeachment, or the threat thereof.
perris @ 7
Nitpick Alert: I think the word you’re reaching for is:
EPIPHANY
OT – hope this report is wrong, but in any case it might be useful to give our reps a call today:
Report: Dem Leadership To Give Bush His Way On Iraq
By Greg Sargent
perris @ 10
Thanks, sometimes it is all too discouraging. You all are great chin-up help
. . . “only alternative to Gonzales’ staying is an independent Justice Department that acts in the interests of justice, rather than Bush’s political and personal interests. That is what Bush fears most, and that is why Gonzales will almost certainly stay . . .
Couldn’t agree more:
from: Gonzales, Butt-plugs, Job Security & the Dutch
slainte,
cl
Yeah, that’s classic. I wonder if he’s ever tried that one with his wife. “But Honey, you never asked me if I was having sex with your best friend.”
Dude, the Administration was clearly off the deep end and you didn’t say anything about it because “nobody ever asked”? I’m glad you finally told the truth when someone happened to ask, but that doesn’t exactly make you a paragon of virtue. In comparison, maybe, but not otherwise.
I wonder if we will ever find out what it takes to get a guy impeached by a Democrat controlled Congress?
Abu has no support, and as was mentioned by Greenwald, his hold on the prosecutorial machinery is one thing shielding republican criminality from more investigation, and all we are going to get from the Dems who control congress is investigations, so maybe that will tempt them…
Morris Sheppard @ 11
he won’t resign, he can’t cuz the next ag is gonna be brutal to him and bush…unless of course they find someone who will be confirmed and who they know will affirm their stealing information programs
however when he refuses to resing it will set the table for impeachment
I would love to get impeachment on the table too
I think someone should prefer charges against gonzales, obstruction of justice or whatever
I want to see him refuse to recuse himself and then the ag’s he’s promoted will refuse to recuse themselves as well
The Gonzo Dilemma, or the AG3 oxymoron:
No one who’ll keep W’s secrets can be confirmed; no one confirmable will keep W’s secrets. There is an RGJoe exception to this rule.
When Abu is impeached, can we just put the DoJ into some type of public receivership? Maybe Janet Reno will come out of retirement to run it. (sound of wingnut heads exploding offstage)
Henchmen Card, Gonzales, Libby, Addington, Wolfowitz
Minions Goodling, Sampson, Jennings, Doan, McNulty, Scholzman
Flunkies Congressional Republicans, Fox News talking points spouters
Stooges All MSM except Colbert, Stewart and Olberman. Gonzo wants us to think he’s a stooge, but he’s not.
perris @ 10
Amen.
Thanks Jane. No one else ever seems to have the same punch. “I think that’ll happen just after hell freezes over and shortly before pigs fly”.
It will be a long wait.
Hi Jane! Welcome back, Christy!
OT -sorry, but I received a request from Common Cause to write a letter to the FCC about Net Neutrality. I wrote – thought you all might want to do so also:
Send a message to the FCC before the June 15th deadline at http://www.commoncause.org/InternetFreedom.
Unless they have the votes to override the veto, what else can they do? They’ve already sworn they were going to fund the troops.
Politically (and that’s what they all care about) it would be a disaster to not keep the funding going now. In four months, maybe it will be a different story. Maybe they will have the veto override votes.
In a Havana bar {Godfather II}:
Fredo: ” Michael, How do you say ‘banana daiquiri’?”
Michael Corleone: “Banana Daiquiri.”
TeddySanFran @ 18
as I said on a previous thread, there is someone who will definately get confirmed who will keep w’s secrets
I don’t want to high jack the thread again since we’ve discussed the possibility two times already but is at least one candidate that fits the bill
albert fall @ 19
Shouldn’t there be one more category somewhere for the Gannons of the world ?
Don’t know what the dems will do on the war funding bill. I favor funding ONLY until FALL- with a fresh look then at whether or not the clusterfuck surge is workin- if it ain’t— pull the fuckin plug.
Most americans will be ready by then.
selise @13
Count me in as one of the unhappy. Check that — one of the enraged.
Morris Sheppard @ 11
Either his or Bush’s.
Of course he did
;>)
Morris Sheppard @ 28 –
me too.
It is truly remarkable that we’re now looking at John Ashcroft as a protector of the rights of Americans.
I also think Glenn’s right. They are going to stonewall everything, send everything into court, and violate every they need to in order to run out this clock and hand a democratic president a government riddled with their operatives, a massive budget deficit and a completely broken foreign policy.
Bush has already said the military has been redirecting money from appropriated purposes to the occupation. Leave aside whether that’s actually true. He is asserting that the Congress doesn’t even have the power of the purse, moving him past even John Yoo on the authoritarian side of the political spectrum. He is, in effect, saying that supplemental is ultimately irrelevant, because he is going to continue the occupation even money is not appropriated for it.
The only remedy here is impeachment and conviction. But I don’t think there are more than three republicans with the spines of Bill Cohen or Howard Baker. Or a commitment to what we learn in grade school civics classes.
“How a bill becomes a law.” Remember that? I do, but I don’t remember the part about the white house calling up a senate staffer and telling him to change the contents of the bill that had been passed–expressly to remove Senate oversight over DOJ appointments.
I’d say it boggles the mind–but I already feel like my heads been shaken, over and over again, and the letters have landed cockeyed.
Muzzy @ 27
See comment #15
cl
Selise, thank GOD you said something. I saw this and my head started to explode. I immediately called PELOSI’s office and when I voiced my CONCERN they took my zip code and practically hung up on me. Then I called Boxer’s office. I’m so furious. So, so, so furious and all I can think about is WHERE ARE THE FAMILIES OF THE TROOPS? WHY ARE THEY NOT OUTRAGED? WHY ARE THEY NOT MARCHING AND PROTESTING IN THE STREETS, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, TILL THE TROOPS COME HOME? Has Rove had something put in the water that makes us all APATHETIC?
selise @ 13
love the video!
if only the last line could be true!
Hugs for Jane
Great video and so appropriate to equate these thugs to organized crime. It’s their smug attitude and callous disregard of the law that infuriates me.
Hope all is cool with you.
Muzzy @ 26
And where is Rove?
hwmnbn @ 36
“Paulie? Won’t see him no more.” Wish that were true, as well.
Muzzy @ 26
Fluffers
;>)
spurious @ 37
Puppet master.
Leave teh ‘no-confidence’ vote on-track for a late week vote.
Hopefully, Monica’s testimony will cement any doubt that Bush and Gonzo have been colluding to Obstruct Justice for years.
All the Goopers will sign-on to the ‘no confidence’ vote then.
Nothing better could have happened today than what did – Bush hugged-up close to his sacrificial toady – that’s what we want everyone to see right before Gonzo is revealed to be a prime actor in Bush’s on-going crime of Obstructing Investigations into the White House.
We absolutely want our best Questioners on the SJC – Sen. Whitehouse comes to mind – to probe what Monica knows about the ‘List.’
Monica is being ‘compelled’ to speak, which almost certainly means having to lead the witness – not the time for off-target questioning – our questions should lead straight to real answers about who made the List, managed adds and deletes, and what went on at the Nov. 27th meeting when Gonzo was all-set to pull the trigger on the firings, but postponed it another week.
We shouldn’t be fishing on Wednesday – we should be hunting.
Comey may not have been the first but you can bet he was purged. And I firmly believe one result was the “gumming to death” of the rest of Patrick Fitzgerald’s investigation into the outing of Valerie Plame. Like Comey, Fitz would never volunteer that but someone in Congress should ask him!
Muzzy @ 27
Reporter cum personal trainer
TeddySanFran @ 19
Yes, the RGJoe exception does exist, but I don’t know if I can see Lieberman taking the job. PTL.
Pentagon Making Preparations To Keep Tens Of Thousands Of Troops In Iraq For ‘Decades’ http://thinkprogress.org/
Just what we feared!!
perris @ 7
you are the first person I’ve heard bring up business communications. Maybe large corporations really do have fail-safe security in their communications systems but I can’t believe this giant vacuum cleaner in ATT’s closet isn’t a HUGE threat to business privacy. So why no complaints from them?, it never crossed their mind?, it crossed my little mind and I don’t have trade secrets to protect.
although I do love trading secrets
If the thread topic is “Comey for AG — yea or nay?” count me as a big fat nay. I have no interest in the SJC or HJC having to come up with questions to ask the next AG, since he’ll only speak when spoken to.
DoJ needs a vigorous housecleaner, who respects Congressional oversight and the rule of law. America needs an AG who’ll root out the BushBots and evildoers within the department, inspire confidence among the remaining staff, and report willingly and enthusiastically to Congress on progress without being asked.
In other words, we need President Pelosi to appoint a new AG.
rwcole @ 27
I agree. September is the month. September is the date R’s are pointing to (to buy time now) to judge the success of the surge. September is also the last possible time a meaningful policy change can be supported by R’s before the ‘08 elections to staunch their own bloodbath that awaits them at the polls.
Considering the ’surge’ is spit in the ocean compared to what is needed for decisive change, sadly, higher numbers of killed US soldiers is likely all there will be to show for it, and a withdrawal date not agreed on now could be a moot point by then. It can’t happen soon enough though.
jayackroyd @ 33
The money that Defense is using to continue the occupation Iraq is coming from within the Defense Department’s own pool of funds. They were the only ones to have an appropriation bill passed by the Do-Nothing Congress last August.
If the supplemental is not passed, Defense will have to cut some of its activities, as the supplemental would have replaced the funds they have already spent.
By law, Defense can only pull money from its own funds — it can’t touch any of the other appropriation pools and they don’t exist this year, as all the other departments are being funded out of a continuing resolution.
Congress should have insisted that the spending for Iraq was part of Defense’s money in the first place. The supplemental is like doing an end run around the appropriation process.
snowbird42 @ 46
If you want to bring them home fast, find a way to force a Bush family member to serve.
Elliott — the secrets are going to the highest bidder.
We absolutely want our best Questioners on the SJC – Sen. Whitehouse comes to mind – to probe what Monica knows about the ‘List.’
While I agree – it’s the House Committee she’s in front of, unfortunately. So while there is *some* talent on the D side of that committee, the big boys (Whitehouse, et al) don’t have a shot at her – yet.
Bearpaw @ 16
especially since later Albertoe became the ATTORNEY GENERAL!
Elliott @ 47
Eliot, your quote from me has me embarrassed how bad my spelling and grammar on that post, is the typo gnome around to fix?
rwcole @ 28
I’ve been remarking, for a while, that I don’t think anybody is getting out of this any time soon. Scarecrow’s post about his airplane conversation (now there’s a Sunday thread topic–airplane conversations) with the army engineer reinforced this.
The US has built a massive infrastructure in Iraq. It’s hardened, defended against any plausible regional threat. It’s set up to house about 50,000 soldiers. It’s not a secret. George Packer’s been to a couple of them. Folks posted details about them in Scarecrow’s thread. The engineer wasn’t violating security regs by talking about them.
But they are not part of the political discussion. At all. We don’t hear Clinton talking about what will happen with these American assets. Richardson has spoken out most clearly about leaving no troops, at all, behind. But that’s not really plausible. Defending the embassy will require a substantial force.
Everybody else (except Gravel) has left wiggle room for going with the original plan announced by Cheney–a permanent 50,000 soldier presence.
We need to call them on this. There is going to be an unprecedented level of citizen questions that can cut through the blather that dominates presidential candidate presentations. MoveOn’s Town Hall was a great start. IMO, that event pushed all of the candidates to make a clearer statement on ending the occupation.
But I still don’t believe them. I’d feel way better if I felt like could believe them. Do you? Do you think [fill in candidate here] will actually leave “no residual presence?”
Brisingamen 50 — your analysis is tempting, but contains an enormous BushCo loophole, in this single two-word phrase:
Wonderful, Jane! But I’ve been saying for a while now that Ashcroft was the first purge in Feb 05 (they had to wait til after the 04 election & Jan swearing-in), and then Comey came later (4/05).
One other thing, found at HuffPo, by Robert Greenwald: a handy 2-minute video making the case for
Gonzo’sFredo’s impeachment, plus a petition.Worth watching and passing on. Impeachment is the best — and truly only — solution!
TeddySanFran @ 19
‘ah, the smell of hollow points in the morning…’
;>)
Leapfrogging over the comments for the moment, let me ask for help priming the pump on Gonzales. If anyone knows of any proposed articles of impeachment that have been formally drafted against Gonzo-boy, please drop by at the link above, click on the discussion tab, and leave us a note, please.
And then look around at what we’ve developed so far elsewhere on the site.
Bob in HI
Jane Hamsher @ 45
During the 2006 Connecticut Senate race, id any dirt come out on Joey Short Ride that was not sufficient to persuade (enough of) the voters of Connecticut, but that might make appropriate grounds for derailing an AG appointment? Any hint of scandal, conflict of interest, conduct unbecoming an Attorney General? If so it should be exploited to the fullest.
Muzzy
Yep
Better of course to pull the plug now but that appears to be impossible.
I’m still laughing about the “slavering bichon freses” from below. hehehehehe And count me in as wondering just exactly how Comey was shoved out the DoJ door, because everything that I have heard about the man is that he would have stayed, clawing and scratching to the very end to save the integrity of the institution from the Bush hacks. He does have kids — and kids come with college expense planning — but he’s the public service is a calling sort through and through from everyone that I have ever spoken with who has known him through the years. Which says to me there is a very interesting story to be heard somewhere in the mix…
Robert Greenwald’s newest Gonzo video. They were just talking about how effective this is on NPR’s Marketplace.
O/T
Anybody read this?
Bush Anoints Himself as the Insurer of Constitutional Government in Emergency
TeddySanFran @ 57
I’m a Federal employee — in one of the agencies that didn’t have its appropriation bill passed. I know what our A/O is going through trying to get the essentials done on the limited money we received.
Doing supplementals was the Bushies way of getting around the law. Except now they don’t have the Do-Nothing Congress any more…
dalloway @ 43
Good point.
Comey and Fitz come from the same ilk…
If they ask, they will tell the truth…
OK.. so what happens if he does refuse to go voluntarily? Will the members of Congress impeach him? Get him disbarred (um.. can a non-lawyer serve as AG legally?)? Take him off their Christmas card lists? Give him hard stares in the corridors? Concede victory to shrub? Agree let shrub formally suspend Congress (probably unnecessary, since in this scenario, Congress would have effectively suspended itself)?
ImpeachmentHappens @ 34
well, i think people (progressive blogosphere) are hoping that speaker pelosi (and our other D leaders) have a plan to end the war and want to give her the benefit of the doubt.
i don’t think we’re apathetic. seems more like wait-and-see mode to me. (not that i think that’s the most productive mode to be in right now). personally, i don’t have a good feeling about this… and haven’t since moveon whipped the out of iraq caucus to vote for h.r.1591.
maybe we’ll see that every turns out ok. but, it doesn’t hurt to make the call…
neurophius @ 61
rather then scandal we need to look at irresponsible decisions and statements
things likewhen he said something to the effect;
“critisizing the president gives aid and comfort to the enemy” (in other words he called congress traitors)
they need to hammer things like THAT;
“this senator had the NERVE to call members of congress engaged in oversite TRAITORS, his judgement is NOT acceptable as ag”
BING, punish him for being bush’s cabana boy
sporkovat @ 17
Well, we could start by priming the pump!
Bob in HI
EPU’d Jane. Check your email.
perris @ 55
707. I thought those were intentional. I’ve had a lengthy internal debate about whether people intentionally type “teh” or not. I’ve concluded that, at least, when referring to “teh Google” or “teh internets” it’s intended.
Hard to know, sometimes, what’s behind the pixels.
You know, the google toolbar has a spellcheck function. Lotsa stuff in dis post is underlined as misspelled (but not “dis” which illustrates the limits of spell checkers))
If Speaker Pelosi goes along with this troop funding without accountability, she’ll have a primary next year. Perhaps not a threatening one, but one that at least FOXNews will cover.
OfT: I quite liked epiphame
perris @ 10
Don’t forget the power of the purse. The progressive blogosphere raises money for progressive candidates!
Heard Howard Dean on Air America earlier today. I don’t know who was interviewing him, but he asked Dean how it felt to be 4 years ahead of his time! Having aggressively campaigned for Dean because of his anti-war stance and because I thought he could kick Bush’s arse up and down Pennsylvania Ave. just by sheer brain power, I had to smile. Back then, everyone thought I was possessed or something. But I was right. We were right.
This was my first experience with netroots. I’ve been hooked ever since, having to tear myself away when I get too emotionally involved, as I did with Dean.
Perhaps all I could see was Dean at that time, but I felt I was part of something new and special and that little peopole like me could actually make a difference by raising lots of money over the Net for the person we wanted to be president. Well, we did raise tons of money, but we failed. No amount of money can compete with a rabid media hell-bent on destroying a threatening candidate.
But he really put netroots on the map for me. And it has become an increasingly successful way to support and fund candidates who stand with us in our positions. And in a way, Dean did become a success, a quiet success, working with the DNC, developing election strategies, countering, somewhat, DLC, Corp., and emphasizing grass and netroots.
It is sad it had to take 4 years for the people to see the light, but without netroots, I truly feel it would have taken much longer, a Vietnam sort of scenario. So slowly, the progressive blogosphere is making a difference by shaming the msm with the stellar journalism of people like Christy, Jane and all the other excellent FDL bloggers.
Just imagine what things might be like had we not had this “revolution.” And it’s only a matter of time before people like Jane & Christy will be sitting across the desk from Punkinhead on a find Sunday morn! ;)
I still love you, Howie. And thanks for everything.
TeddySanFran @ 75
ever wonder why there is a word “nonchalant” when there is no word “chalant”…have you ever seen someone walking along “chalantly”? or with “chalance”?
“subterfuge”…anyone ever see something done with “terfuge”?
what is “subterfuge”?, below “terfuge”?
“The only thing worse than being vilified by the left,” says Comey with a laugh, “is being idolized by the left.”
Too late! With the probable exception of Mary, we adore him for standing up and fighting against something really evil.
Comey as AG…that would be amazing.
as I said on a previous thread, there is someone who will definately get confirmed who will keep w’s secrets
Joe Lieberman? Is he an attorney?
Would Lieberman turn down an opportunity for self-aggrandizement? There will be some things discovered that might make Lieberman blush but also make the revealer a hero. Nah.. I guess not.
We already know there existed a major plan to purge and replace all non-Bushie USA’s with Pat Robertson’s Regent U crackerjack law grads.
The things they wanted the non-cooperating (Republicans All) attys to do must have been brazenly unlawful acts. They were promised protection from on high (Gonzo)and still refused to perform as required. What the purged attys feared came about when the toothless (so far)Democrats overtook Congress.
TJ @ 65
Oh yeah, I went on a rant about that one.
I wouldn’t trust him to run a lemonade stand in Hell….
The democrats are so weak! If there is a no-confidence vote in the senate, no republicans will vote with the democrats. Not a single one. Not even those who have told Gonzales to resign. They ALWAYS vote in lockstep with the president. Then we’ll be shocked and amazed and Gonzales will stay as AG. That’s my prediction.
hackworth @ 79
Joey Short Ride is (or has been) an attorney. He served as Attorney General of Connecticut.
TeddySanFran @ 9
Typical Tweedy style over substance – sad little failed Irish/American.
And seeings he isn’t doing anything else like, say, oversight or anything.
Bastard.
neurophius @ 82
he is gonna be their guy if abu torture leaves, this is my prediction
he will beleive it will be his first step toward being on the republican’s ticket in o8 as running m8
Tweety’s got Ken Blackwell on next, just a heads-up for all you masochistic Buckeyes….
I have to admit I don’t have any friends or family in the military but I would think that if I did, I would feel like we don’t have the LUXURY of taking a wait and see approach given how many US troops are killed and maimed every single day.
I just called and voiced my dismay to my Rep., Berman, Pelosi, Boxer, Hoyer and the DCCC. I tried the DNC but their offices are now closed.
Franky, I don’t know who else to call or what else I can do.
I’m open to suggestions…
well, i think people (progressive blogosphere) are hoping that speaker pelosi (and our other D leaders) have a plan to end the war and want to give her the benefit of the doubt.
i don’t think we’re apathetic. seems more like wait-and-see mode to me. (not that i think that’s the most productive mode to be in right now). personally, i don’t have a good feeling about this… and haven’t since moveon whipped the out of iraq caucus to vote for h.r.1591.
maybe we’ll see that every turns out ok. but, it doesn’t hurt to make the call…
They need the Justice Department in friendly hands in order to continue with their plans, already well advanced, to steal the 2008 election.
It’s going to be a race against time. We need to put our thinking caps on. This one can be lost. President Giuliani, responding to another false flag attack? Everything we are fighting for is at stake.
As I recall, Lieberman met the Clintons at Yale law school. He’s a lawyer. There is no reason I can see for a just reelected senator to take an 18 month gig in a quicksand mired administration- and there is no reason I can think of for Clusterfuck to offer it. I think this is a very red herring.
perris @ 77
at least weather can be inclement or clement, depending on how it feels that day.
rwcole @ 89
I surely hope I am wrong because joe will provide more of the same.
I’m gonna hope I’m wrong rw
i put this in a comment a few days ago, but don’t know if you-all saw it:
from Nell, i see that this week we did get our vote in the house on the “don’t attack iran w/o congressional approval” notion (thomas link):
it was submitted as an amendment to the defense appropriations bill, h.r.1585. here is the roll call vote. yep, you read that right. 99 dems voted against this amendment – and speaker pelosi didn’t even cast her vote. voting no were many of the usual suspects, and sadly also some of our “friends”: Paul Hodes, Chris Van Hollen, Patrick Murphy, John Murtha, Joe Sestak, Carol Shea-Porter, Henry Waxman. read the list and weep.
i was hoping someone could tell me that i have it wrong… maybe read it incorrectly? i really want to be full of shit on this.
rwcole @ 89
Ding!
cathy @ 81
Then we will challenge all the GOP Senators, hard, in 2008, and defeat some of them. And — WE ARE NOT WEAK.
hackworth @ 79
would they trot out SANTORUM?
Elliott @ 90
Or both in the same day. Like we’re having here in south tejas. Cloudy and rain most of the morning into early afternoon. Sun mid-afternoon and now clobbering up again.
egregious @ 78
Uhh…is that Mary Cheney, or Marcy Wheeler?
rwcole @ 89
he was CT AG before he got elected USSenator
Allan—
Neither. Mary a commenter here at fdl who quite reasonably hates what Comey did on Padilla.
rwcole @ 89
It may be the only way Cluster Guy can get a nominee confirmed by the Senate.
egregious @ 78
Amazing as in…. not telling Congress anything until asked a direct question? That kind of amazing we can do without.
off for some evening tennis, c all L8ter
Interesting point about getting business owners to worry about the privacy of company communications. During the Reagan years it was arms for hostages, who knows what the payment for business data would be. Just a little off the books fundraising? “Data for________” Could be sold for money to fund any one of Karl’s “the math” projects, eh? (Okay, now removing tinfoil hat.)
There are plenty of gooper lawyers who Cluster could get past the senate.
Conyers and Sncez to Fielding letter from today.
The Gavel
TeddySanFran @ 94
I should have said the dems in congress are so weak. They are. Gordon Smith is going to have a good fight on his hands in 2008. There is a strong democratic challenger who just announced his candidacy.
egregious @ 77
count me out. i don’t adore him either.
there a lot room between despise and adore. i think glenn greenwald hits all the important points here.
and that’s just the begining of glenn putting everything into perspective. definately recommend the whole thing…
The issue isn’t whether RGJoe would take the AG job; the issue is whether he could withstand the Rovian blackmail brought to bear if he didn’t take it.
rwcole @ 104
Such as?
I’d still like to hear prominent Democrats making noise about how serious it is to abuse the Justice Department for partisan reasons.
Americans need this spelled out for them. Time magazine is going to pretend it’s no big deal. WTF are the Dems waiting for to start calling foul?
“Dems so weak”
I don’t see that. They are going for what’s possible- and while I don’t agree with everything they have done- I think that they have done a pretty good job of giving oversight to this misadministration.
off topic and before I go just a stupid story
one day I’m playing tennis and out of nowhere, from nowhere and for no reason something occurs to me (an epiphaME)
petroleum is dead dinosaurs
plastic is made from petro
so when a vegetarian opts for plastic instead of leather, all they are doing is substituting for something that died a long time ago instead of more recently
plastic, leather, same source
OK, got to go now
selise @ 13,
Thanks for posting that.
I had seen it at TPM and called my rep.
I told the staffer a lot of Republicans I talk to have been grumbling lately…”If this is why I voted for a Democrat, forget it.”
TJ @ 65
This is beyond disgusting. I feel like grabbing my Representative by the collar and shaking him, shouting all the time, WAKE UP!!! The House is on fire!
Bob in HI
Teddy
Well I don’t hang with a lot of gooper lawyers- but Ted Olsen would probably sail through.
This is the kind of stuff (among certain other things) that puts me in a really bad mood.
AP – In grudging concessions to President Bush, Democrats intend to draft an Iraq war-funding bill without a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops and shorn of billions of dollars in spending on domestic programs, officials said Monday.
damn straight Jane. tired of hearing what I thought were rational people bowing to the will’o’the’putz on so many other sites.
why would we compromise on impeachment? and folks are settling for the little guy when it was bushwa that made the call? unreal, it would have killed nixon. though 15 things so far could have done that.
why would we compromise on universal health care? period.
and please, add those things that we, the people, should not have to question again. our state legislatures have turned and are turning hard in the next election. it is time to have the constitution changed by a 2/3 majority of the people of these united states, whether voting, or having our state legislatures vote to ratify, thus bypassing congress and executive and courts all together. our politicians have let us down in the national houses. perhaps our state legislatures can cure this ill and by the means granted by the authors of our government, by the people, and take this country back and throw their corrupt society out.
it is time.
TeddySanFran @ 109
Like that guy Cheney shot :P
Brisingamen @ 12
a day that will live in epiphame.
still, i think there should be no points off for typos. or else i’d never post.
would they trot out SANTORUM?
Not the dreaded Santorum. Taht makes such a gooey mess!
Could they trust anyone but Gonzo to keep Gonzo, Karl and Dubya’s dirty secrets in the closet? Don’t forget the self-aggrandizement. Its one size fits all. A HERO and a Patriot be the one who spills the beans. He could be a shoo-in for Prez if the media is cooperative.
godammit I’m pissed off at my party, the Democratic Party.
rwcole @ 115
not so much, i’m thinking — yknow, the whole arkansas project, and bush v. gore, and on and on..
rwcole @ 115
But at confirmation, Senate Dems would ask him about being made to sit outside Card’s office while Comey got woodshedded. Not sure The Regime wants that touching story revisited.
I don’t hang out with gooper lawyers (or any lawyers but the great one on FDL!) but I’m stumped. Not one meets the dual standards of secrecy and confirmability.
dmg
They voted for him as solicitor General.
TJ @ 65
The link escapes me, however recently information surfaced that Rumsfeld/Cheney in 41 Bush “lost” (a broken arrow X 3) three nuclear weapons off Somalia IIRC that were never recovered. The article further stated that the nuclear test in N. Korea was of the type of bomb lost, leaving two possibly unaccounted for bombs in someone’s hands. Since the ports are “so well guarded” any container coming in could contain such a device. Or a similar device be planted as if it came through a port facility could surepticiously “occure” to create (Trojan horse) “a national emergency” and the suspension of constitutional law. I for one, would not put it past this administration. Hasta la vista 2008.
Teddy, there have been any number of people with security clearances who have made it known to members of Congress that they are -available- to testify. More than that, they cannot do.
What, you want them to force their way into a hearing? Call the Times and give them classified information that will not be printed and land them in prison?
There is no lack of courage here. Have some respect for people who are acting at great risk to themselves and their loved ones. And the list goes far beyond Comey.
rwcole @ 111
I don’t disagree with you but, on the other hand, this situation is pretty close to the ultimate test of whether the balance of powers envisioned by the framers actually works. If it doesnt, and that is now our conclusion, then we have much bigger problems.. we may be heading to a stage in our history when presidents, of either party, become virtual dictators. The power of the precedent being set by shrub now is mindboggling. From a constitutional perspective, Caesar has now crossed the Rubicon. If his advance into Rome isn’t stopped, we have much bigger problems.
rwcole @ 124
in June 2001
rwcole @ 124
that was then.
this is now.
dmg @ 122
Did anybody say Harriet Meyers? She’s a real good attorney and a real fine person. Does a heck of a job.
Don’t forget Poland!
Margot @ 112
hopefully a lot of people are calling. wish it wasn’t after 5pm here. still, it’s worthwhile to call first thing in the morning.
Hey Jane,
No real surprise that the Comey testimony wasn’t mentioned, or even carried on C-SPAN. Such shocking revelations have to be allowed in incrementally, or the traditional media will be forced to admit their complicity in this nightmare.
It’s increasingly clear to all but the mouth-breathers that these people have to be rooted out and their machine dismantled and destroyed. It’s no good expecting them to play by the rules and upbraiding them when they don’t: they don’t give a fuck, never have, and their goal is the subversion and co-option of our institutions of government. A coup has taken place.
DAMN IT…I can’t quit this place for tennis even though it’s friggin beutiful outside
anyway;
Arnie @ 125
crooks and liars does a nice sumary
think they plan on staying in power through 08?
think there MIGHT be an attack as the election draws near?
think liarman MIGHT take the job as ag?
frightening stuff here…congress needs to address this and REVOKE the authority bush granted to himself
it also might be a good idea to move to a red state, should be safe…who knows
selise @ 13
I e-mailed Pelosi and said that I don’t care if Bush has to hold bake sales to fund HIS OCCUPATION of Iraq – caps mine – but I want our people out of there as soon as possible, not next year, not when we feel like it, and not ‘when the Iraqis meet deadlines’ that we know they’ll never meet. (I wasn’t mincing words. They may get mad, but they know it’s true.) Also said that if the Democrats don’t do this, they’ll be seen as wimps, AGAIN. (Maybe I should have said STILL.)
If Mrs. Ashcroft was compelled to testify to Congress, can she testify about the classified information she overheard, since she did not have security clearance and presumably never signed a non-disclosure agreement?
Here’s the podcast of my appearance on Dave Goldstein’s KIRO-am show on Saturday night.
We had such a good time.
What the hell are the Dems trying to do with this Iraq cave in to Bush? Perpetuate the view that many have of not much light shining between the two parties? 60% of the American people think the Iraq war is a failure. I’m seeing ‘red’… not blue. My party is weak and has let me down. Oh man… I am pissed.
eg — I don’t believe I’ve disrespected anyone or challenged anyone’s courage. Although I do reserve more respect for the courage of those who violated the law and went to The Times, or Dana Priest, to get their knowledge of illegality into the public sphere.
Respecting James Comey, thinking he’s courageous, and approving of him as our next Attorney General are three different opinions. While they are not mutually exclusive, one does not necessarily lead to the other without exception.
jayackroyd at 33 I also think Glenn’s right. They are going to stonewall everything, send everything into court, and violate every they need to in order to run out this clock and hand a democratic president a government riddled with their operatives, a massive budget deficit and a completely broken foreign policy.
No, I strongly disagree. They still have a lock on the 08 election. They will say the problems were from a few bad apples and now we have the good Republicans to run the country. Work as if this is the outcome, it may well be.
President Giuliani, President Romney, President McCain, President Thompson, get used to it because that’s where the balance of power lies at this moment. We can daydream and lose the whole game.
We have to get as much done as possible before the election while simultaneously working to make the election honest. Lots to do, let’s get going. The popular momentum will subside if the general population thinks there is a “new” team in place.
We are all giddy from the success of the 06 Congressional elections, and we may well keep the Congress. But right now the trajectory is for a ‘clean sweep’ Republican president.
P J Evans @ 133
the reports don’t sound good – but i’m trying not to freak out until i read the text of the bill…. if it’s as bad as being reporting – then i will be pissed…. and will call reps to ask that they vote AGAINST the bill to fund bush’s occupation. ‘cuz if a D congress funds the occupation it will be ours too.
FYI — Ted Olson’s firm, and his unit within the firm, is the one the Jerry Lewis-prosecuting San Diego USAtty joined for a $1,500,000 bonus; the firm also defends Lewis.
Not sure the GOP wants than can of worms opened at a confirmation hearing either.
Blub @ 127
The MSM frames every major issue in favor of the Maladmin. They have consistently framed the funding issue thus. Dems are not funding the troops. It is total and complete bullsh*t.
TRex @ 136
So famous now! Will probably require his own dressing room.
Who is funding the Iraq War? And how are ‘they’ doing it?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..21/us-iraq
Link to story on the troop funding bill.
Sounds as if dems are considering sending a bill that funds through september only and includes benchmarks for the Iraqi govt.
Clusterfuck had expressed some readiness to agree to benchmarks but apparently there is now a veto threat about it.
I don’t know if any of this makes much difference as long the funding only goes through september.
At that point- dems can cut off everything for whatever reasons they want- and they can tell the Clusterfuck NOW what criteria they will use!!!
Anyway you slice it, the American taxpayers are funding the Iraq War.
perris @ 133
The one thing that an attack prior to the election in ‘08 does however is put the lie to their meme “But we haven’t been attacked since 9/11.”
Even the most obtuse gooper can understand the f*ck-up there, although many will still try to deny the obvious.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 144
your children are funding the war, we are borrowing money and printing paper
every man women and child in america owes something like 30,000 dollars, I forget the link but there it is
I can’t wait to see TRex’s appearance requirements-rider on Smoking Gun!
perris @ 148
That’s right. And I want my party to stop it!
dakine01 @ 147
it’s already a lie and they already ignore the fact
we’ve been attacked here (anthrax) and there are MORE attacks on Amercans overseas then any other time in history, BECAUSE of what they’ve done
however the marionettes refuse the facts before their very eyes
Arnie @ 125
this link?
dakine01 @ 147
“If this new Democrat Congress had given the late President what we needed to fight the terrorists, this attack never would have happened!” — President Cheney, October 2008
TRex @ 136
I met Dave last July at a Seattle Drinking Liberally event at the Montlake Ale House. Listening right now……the Seattle Dave…
hackworth @ 142
True, but the issues here go beyond the media representation of the debate.. there are fundamental constitutional issues here, which would remain even if there wasn’t any press coverage at all. The framers envisioned a constitutional system based on checks and balances between powers.. the president has outright rejected that vision. If that precedent sticks, and Congress is truely as powerless as it now appears to be, then we have the perfect precedent for presidential dictatorship:– precisely what Jefferson feared. Am I wrong?
from the huffpo article:
“The legislation would include the first federal minimum wage increase in more than a decade, a top priority for the Democrats who took control of Congress in January, the officials added.”
pelosi and reid are making a necessity into a virtue…
(Al K doing click-by posting, hip deep in work but trying to lurk and keep up)
The Dems are going to inherit this war. That is, assuming they ‘win’ in a little more than a year from now.
TeddySanFran @ 141
oh my
GGreenwald’s update. He writes of Ashcroft, Comey, and Goldsmith:
TRex @ 136
Thanks, TRex. Been looking forward to it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 146
and apparently Al Qaeda as well
Yes, that news that our money being spread around Iraq makes its way to AlQ’s leadership renews a central objection to GWBush: if W were an AlQ agent, how would he act differently, exactly, than how he has acted since taking office?
TeddySanFran @ 153
there’s a slow roasting spit down in Hell for that guy
I am seeing things…. again.
Elliott @ 161
That’s correct. Recall all that business about the Bush pals in Saudi Arabia, and others, some years ago, giving truck loads of money to those we now call terorists? Has that changed?
And of course there’s the high price of a gallon of gasoline and opium poppies.
perris @ 151
Ah but see, the Anthrax attacks did not provide a good “smoking gun” visual left over. You have to have a brain to use to envision anthrax sent by mail.
Attacks overseas are up but again, most “good ‘Murikans” don’t pay any attnetion to things over thar with them furriners.
But a bomb blowing up on US soil provides a visual proof of the terrorism that cannot be denied.
What happened to the Friday news dumb? Did it come & go with nothing? I can’t keep up…I’m getting too old to be a Dem.
perris @ 147
i think it’s “only” around 6000 $. i’m basing it on stiglitz’s analysis (conservatively 1-2 trillion $) and a population of 300 million.
Fired Seattle US Attorney John McKay made a speech this past weekend in Wenatchee to a GOP gathering:
“I still don’t know if the 2004 governor’s election was the principal reason I was asked to step down,” McKay said in a speech at the Mainstream Republicans of Washington’s Cascade Conference in Wenatchee.
“If it was, I think it is an entirely improper and perhaps illegal reason for my termination,” said McKay.
McKay said he led a federal investigation that found no evidence of a crime in the election.
The Tacoma News Tribune covered the speech. Their article is rather nice to notorious asshole rightwing blogger Stefan Sharkansky, who just can’t stop believing in a massive conspiracy which led to Cheristine Gregoire’s election:
Conservative blogger Stefan Sharkansky met with McKay after his Wenatchee speech. Sharkansky said he’s gathered evidence of illegal votes in the 2004 election through public records requests over the past two years.
McKay said he should share that with the FBI.
“There is still a case on this election,” he said.
I want to make a $25.00 donation to the lake fund. Anyone want to match me? Please!
Wow — that video at the top of this post is terrific!
Does anyone think it’s not in the financial interest of the Bush and Cheney family (oil barons) for Americans to be held hostage to Middle East oil.
Bustednuckles @ 165
Sorry, my bad. Been away a few days and my brain is gellin’ while tryin’ to catch up.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 146
No, its their grandchildren who are funding the Occupation of Iraq.
Bob in HI
Perris @ 133
Could be plan B, if Iran (plan A) doesn’t pan out. What ever fictional plot would be most outrgeous, take that X 2.83 and figure that as consequence of “W”art’s plans. Get ye outside and at that tennis, daylight is burning. All the best…….
TRex, You were great.. Thanks for the link to your interview.
TeddySanFran @ 171
‘Tis, but this one’s even better.
TRex is great on the KIRO Dave Goldstein show! They’re calling the dinodog from as far from Seattle as NJ.
The Democratic Party I joined almost forty years ago barely resembles the Democratic Party of today. I owe my party no loyalty.
The real significance of the conversation in front of Mrs. Ashcroft is that the claim of privilege depends upon the conversation being confidential. Mrs. Ashcroft’s presence in the hospital room destroys that claim.
Please visit the Schapira blog, “What we know so far …”
… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!
Bob Schacht @ 174
And at the rate we’re going, our grandchildren will not live to pay it off.
ccmask @ 170
OK, I’ll match you. Who else is “in”?
Bob in HI
Cloture PASSES On Immigration Debate
69 FOR proceeding to Debate and Consideration
23 Against
Israel pounds Lebanon last year and Lebanon pounds a Palestinian refugee camp today. “Alice Through the Looking Glass”?
Why is Bill Richardson running?
Jane, that is a hilarious video!!!
TRex – congratulations. How cool!!
Ted Olsen would be perfect for the job. He’s the most sinister.
I don’t know if anyone saw it, but the Painesville immigration church refuge story finally made it to MSNBC today.
DOJ DOC DUMP FDL’ers! will send link when up at TPMMR…
Also, Dems NOT CONFIRMING being iraq surrender monkeys…linky:
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe…..ay_on_iraq
OK Kiddo, time to jump ship and join up with the Greens :)
It helps to vote this way. Honestly, does anyone want to elect Hillary or Obama? Both have been carefully wording the Iraq War, which says to me they want to continue the War, not end it.
And no more funding the war. You know the only funding that this last resolution should be are train tickets to the ports, and ship and plane tickets back to U.S.A.
Elliot @ 152
That sure looke likee the very link. Thanks for the save, I was wallowing through wiki looking for broken arrow/empty quiver history to no avail.
It is nearly one am here and I’m gone, leave comment here and will catch tomorrow. All teh best…….
Bob Schacht @ 181
Thanks Bob–see you over there.
Afternoon everyone –
Jane – should we simply call you the “effective barbarian” from now on?
And TRex – I assume you have seen this (I’ve been in and out of the night chats over the weekend) but if not, this is why you are able to chomp on wingnuts so effectively.
And it’s got art!
Old Lord McCain breaks the Eleventh Commandment!
Brilliant post Jane! Esp the part about Mrs Ashcroft. Now I am going to go back and read what everyone else had to say.
Keep feeding the fire…with real fuel (facts).
Jane,
I can picture it so clearly! Comey Voodoo doll.
I am in 707 land.
You gotta give spew alerts honey.
Great post (so wot else is new), great parody. Especially the part with the horse’s head. I laffed and laffed…
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I gotta love it. My Democratic Party doesn’t want to be seen as being weak on defense. But doesn’t seem to be disturbed about being viewed as weak on peace.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 188
New Docs at Judiciary Committee site:LINK!!!
There is the conyers/leahy letter and 11 doc sets. diving in as have time…no thirty
“Avoid unnecessary damage and loss of life among Palestinians”. What a riot.
The United States and the United Kingdom backed Israel’s right to defend itself in the face of ongoing Qassam rocket fire from the Gaza Strip on Monday, while calling on Israel to avoid unnecessary damage and loss of life among the Palestinians.
I was surfing around looking for info on the Conrad Black trial and came across this little nugget:
http://www.blacksjustice.com/m…..k_and.html
Anybody think Bush’s use of the word “sober” was directed at someone in particular investigating Gonzo…..?????
Tweety is drilling his guests on the burning question of how many nights per year Hillary and Bill Clinton spend together.
Wonder who cares how often sixty year old people fuck each other.
Here’s my email to Boxer, Feinstein, and Pelosi:
LS- “I was surfing around looking for info on the Conrad Black trial and came across this little nugget”.
I hope you had your wetsuit on, that water’s cold.
After the break, Tweety is going to give us an exclusive TV tour of the Clintons’ bedroom.
neurophius @ 203
Oh good God, no. I am shocked and unsurprised, if that makes any sense.
Although I suppose he’s laying the groundwork to ask the same question of the Bushes, because it wouldn’t be right to have a double standard on these….
[waking up, rubbing eyes, looking out on real world]
Never mind.
neurophius @ 203
This must be why he criticized Mike Wallace for asking Romney about pre-marital sex with Ann: Only Clintons, and only Tweety — all Clenis, alla time!
ccmask @ 191
I just used ther Paypal linky upstairs. Did you go someplace else?
Bob in HI
TeddySanFran @ 205
;0)
FYI, New thread
New Thread
Jane is upstairs……more Abu!
OfT: Murtha House floor vote delayed until tomorrow, probably:
LS @ 201
that’s just funny
the single most important asset Bush has right now is that the prosecutorial machinery is in the clutches of his most craven, obedient and loyal follower.
I just flashed on this…but Abu is in a particularly dangerous position if Bush hopes to use Abu’s position to shield him from prosecution.
Recall that Abu was Bush’s White House Counsellor prior to his appointment to Attorney General. Not only did he assure the Senate that he would recuse himself from any prosecutions or investigations that involved the White House, statements that he made under oath, but any failure to cover for illegal acts that occurred WHILE he was WH Counselor could be subject to criminal prosecution for obstruction of justice. One wouldn’t even have to demonstrate that the acts were illegal, merely that he interfered with the investigation of such acts. In fact, because he swore to Congress that he would recuse himself, failing to do so could constitue contempt of Congress. a possible criminal act, and certainly an impeachable offense.
John Dean will tell ya that this is precisely what John Mitchell was convicted of! Anyone know what the procedures would be for Abu recusing himself and for the appointment of a “Fitz-like” prosecutor? It would seem odd that Abu would be able to appoint his own replacement? Does that individual have to be confirmed by the Senate if they have “the powers of the Attorney General”?
Bob Schacht @ 60
Bob, this is some real rugby here. A Teammate taking the ball and running with it. You are doing a great job
Bustednuckles @ 164
Are you okay, BK?
ccmask @ 170
Already made my donation for the month, but I’m with you cc.
Comey, and Ashcroft, did the right thing in this undisclosed surveillance program, for what reasons I don’t know. But I’m not going to view them as unsung heroes across the board because they were very supportive of the Patriot Act, and Comey as well as Ashcroft has behaved very questionably about Jose Padilla. But I agree with you Jane, this discussion is moot because Abu will not step down. The entire Bush administration is just going to brazen it out.
Nothing is going to happen to any one in this administration. There is no justice in this country any more. Every criminal in this administration is going to get off scott free. I have lost all hope. Fortunately, I may die before the really awful things begin to happen as America loses its Constitution.
Bearpaw @ 16
This is way epu’d, but here goes. I read Comey’s quote as accomplishing two things:
-making it clear that DOJ people have real constraints on their behavior, and he respects those constraints. This sort of restraint and working within limits got Libby convicted instead of off due to graymail.
-and making it clear that forums for obligatory answers are necessary, and that the people and our representatives need to create those forums.
His respect for the process has brought MUCH more credibility to his testimony than if he’d rushed out blowing the whistle loudly. I think Comey is a hero.
obligatory questions = obligatory answers. I always mess something up…
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I’d still like to hear someone ask Comey about the details of his depature from the DoJ and whether, as looseheadprop has speculated, he was indeed the first “purge.”
I would like to be there when someone asks “So, is there ANYTHING else that anyone in the Bush administration did of your knowledge that you think is against the constitution or any of our other laws????
Mandrake @ 76
perris @ 10
Just want to point out, once again, that 56% of the American people opposed the Iraq War from the beginning, Feb.’03, before the invasion, and before all the lies were exposed. (NYT poll. Others were a notch or two lower, 54-55%.) That has now grown to 75%. The majority of the people “saw the light” from the beginning. 56% is a lot, considering the relentless, 24/7 war mongering of all news media. It would be a landslide in a presidential election–and I strongly believe that it was (in ‘04).
Which brings me to point two: The problem–which is staring us in the face, but which few think of, because it has been “black-holed” by both the war profiteering corporate news monopolies AND our Democratic Party leadership–is the new electronic voting machines, run on ‘TRADE SECRET,’ PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations–a corporation (Diebold) whose CEO was pledged to elect Bush-Cheney, and another (ES&S) a brethren corporation initially funded by rightwing ‘christian’ nutball billionaire Howard Ahmanson.
These are the people whose machines we have to outvote in order to elect real respresenatives who will act in the public interest. The voters did so, in some cases, in ‘06, thus we have SOME Congressfolk who are on our side, yet, with 75% of the American people now opposed to the Iraq War and wanting it ended, we still could achieve only a 50/50 Congress, one that does not have the votes to override Bush & Cabal. Whose fault is that? BOTH party leaderships support “trade secret” vote counting. Granted, it’s highly dangerous to careers, and possibly to lives, to opposed Diebold/ES&S control of our election results. I do feel human compassion for the pickle a lot of Democratic office holders are in. But I think there is nothing to be done–there will be no meaningful reform, and the war will go on and on–until we, the people, demand vote counting that everyone can see and understand.
“Trade secret” vote counting by rightwing corporations is not the only thing wrong with our election system and our country, but it is the one that makes it all so hopeless. It is the logjam. It’s the democracy-breaker. It is killing every effort at real reform. It makes discussion of who WE, the people, might want as as president, and what we want in our Congress, pathetic and sad, as if what we want matters–as if who and what we want has some chance of becoming real.
And it’s a practical, no-brainer problem, when you think about it. It doesn’t involve us solving humongous Constitutional problems, and problems of war, and massive crime in high places. It’s not an EASY problem to solve–due to vast corruption of our election officials–but the solution is clear, and achieving it is doable (probably most doable at the state/local level). It should ever be on our minds, and always mentioned, when we discuss problems like Congress continuing to fund the war and permitting an escalation (!), or failing to impeach Albert Gonzales. These are the products of “trade secret” vote counting by rightwing Bushite corporations. WHAT ELSE could we expect from such a non-transparent, highly riggable vote counting system?