(Remember this image from the BBC video of Monica Goodling and Tim Griffin working on GOP oppo research together?)
The WaPo had a story yesterday I had wondered if we'd see–an account of Alberto Gonzales getting an earful from the US Attorneys at their meeting last week in San Antonio. (DAG Paul McNulty resigned at the same San Antonio meeting earlier in the week.)
More than a dozen U.S. attorneys spoke during the morning session, most of them expressing concern to Gonzales about the scandal's impact on their own offices and the overall image of the department, several participants said.
"People were very plainspoken," said one U.S. attorney, who along with others interviewed spoke on the condition of anonymity because the session was private. "The overwhelming majority of the comments were about the controversy and how people are still not happy in the way things were going."
Go here for my account of how this meeting fits into Gonzales' truly abysmal week. For now, though, I'd like to point to two paragraphs that appear later in the story:
Several prosecutors noted a difference in attitude between the veteran Bush administration U.S. attorneys — many of whom knew the fired prosecutors — and more recent arrivals who generally focused on moving past the scandal.
"There is no secret that a lot of us are still pretty upset by this, and at the impact it's having on an institution we love," one U.S. attorney said. "At the same time, there is a desire to get on with our work."
Perhaps I'm over-reading this, but it's a sentiment I was also wondering if we'd see. A split between those US Attorneys chosen in the early days of the Bush Administration, before Monica Goodling and Alberto Gonzales arrived at DOJ, and those appointed since.
I can imagine those USAs who believe they must pursue justice with no regard for political affiliation are still troubled by the fate of David Iglesias and Carol Lam.
But I can also imagine that Tim Griffin would like us all to forget he was appointed in a way no other USA has been, because he could not be confirmed. And I can imagine that Troy Eid would like us to stop looking into his ties to Team Abramoff. And I suspect Rachel Paulose would like us to forget that–within months of her appointment–she exhibited poorer management than almost any of the USAs who were fired.
So I guess I can understand why the new USAs are impatient for all this scrutiny to end.
The rumor mill suggests that Gonzales may finally take the hint and leave at any moment; alternatively, a no confidence vote tomorrow might force the issue. But we need to remember that Goodling did quite a bit of work before we copped on to what she was doing. I mean, given the jobs Griffin has done for BushCo in the past, I'd like to make sure we don't get complacent and let him "get on with his work" with no scrutiny. Because, unlike the USAs appointed at the beginning of Bush's first term, I suspect Griffin doesn't regard his job to be the non-partisan pursuit of justice.




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Defense attorneys in any cases that even smack of politics have got to be loving this.
Am I impatient? Could be.
Emptywheel!
What I want, is… Rove.
anybody have a clue why I can no longer get the full pictures? Been hppening on & off for a few days- never can get Lew’s posts pictures 100%- is it a compostion issue? IE issue? (I use IE)
EW,
How’s tricks? It looks like the DOJ is leaking faster than the Titanic. The question is – who is going to make it to the lifeboats before the ship goes down? People will be looking for liferafts really quick.
MARCY!
Sunday morning EW. A treat.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 3
not that there’s anything wrong with that (!)
;->
EW–the Rogers-Barnet story has legs.
ruffian @ 6
It’s happening to me too. I only have a sliver of today’s photo… I wish I could see this one.
‘Mornin Pups!
How many weeks of slings and arrows of supremely-well-earned outrageous fortune can Gonzo take? Or in other words, how long can Little Boots credibly sustain the obvious myth of his “total support” for the artful DOJer?
Maybe a couple. Tops.
——————————
(check my .SIG above tomorrow. Fun stuff a-comin) :)
The AG steps down. George appoints an appointee. In the meantime, just like the last seven years, Karl Rove, a non-lawyer runs the DOJ.
ooooohhh thankyou EW!
You just SAVED my week!
AZ Matt @ 7
Oh, I think this is all being orchestrated at this point, and I would love to hear what McNulty said to the USAs earlier in the week. Particularly since, per this WaPo report, on Wedensday, no one mentioned resigning to AGAG.
As to who survives? Good question. I suspect Margolis will survive. Not sure about anyone else.
Is it a sure thing that the no confidence vote will be taken tomorrow?
Oh yes… where are my manners? MARCY!! You rock. I’ve been closely reading TNH lately. I wrote my congress people and requested that they keep vigil during Memorial weekend to prevent a sneaky AG recess appointment. Also, would contribute to your superhuman citizen journalism if you’d put a paypal button on your site for donations..
Thanks for all you guys do.
If the AG steps down, who would the prez most likely replace this man with?
completely o/t -
ccmask – Discovery Channel – Planet Earth is about to show river otters staring down a crocodile !
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
It’s unclear.
There are rumors that Orrin Hatch would take the job. Hopefully, that won’t happen, because it would only make things worse.
Schumer has suggested Comey and Thompson, the last two DAGs. Schumer seems to be driving this bus of late, so perhaps he’d be able to pull that off.
Also, back when Republicans were hoping Gonzales would resign early so they could pick anyone as replacement, Ted Olson’s name was bandied about (along with Laurence Silberman and Frances Fragos Townsend). You’ll note that Comey said good things about Olson during his testimony.
So in other words, it’s not clear the replacements would be better.
if he steps down–and i dont think he will–it will be the day before a congressional recess…
then the chimp will recess-appoint santorum…
/
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Harriet Miers? ;)
S.O.S. from MA says: “artful DOJer?”
LOL! “Please, Sir, Can I have some more?”
I’ve been outta touch for a bit.
Does anyone know where OH Senators Voinovich & Sherrod Brown stand on “no-confidence” vote.
I’d greatly appreciate a prompt heads-up, so I can go into action, but there’s not much time to waste(!)
THANKS! ;->
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Himself.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Fitz!
cbl @ 20
bright shiny object? *g*
thas’ o.k. we can view & chew gum at the same time. We’re Dems! HAH!
Adie @ 25
No one has collected statements yet. But I suspect Brown woudl support it wholeheartedly–Ken Salazar called for AGAG to resign on Friday, which means the Dems will likely keep their caucus together on the vote and maybe even bring that fool from CT along. But I suspect Voinovich is persuadable.
PeteCO @ 27
OH! Be still, my pounding heart!!! ;->
Gonzo will not step down — the whole Cheney-Rove strategy has always been to force the other side to make the hard choices. Does this indicate a total lack of responsibility? Yes, but we knew that — they’re sociopaths who always intended to loot the country, not govern it. So the Democrats will have to grow a pair, bring Gonzo up on charges (contempt of Congress?) and make them stick. I predict a huge rise in their JAR if they do.
Who gets the office IMMEDIATELY if GoGOGonzo goes. Like, effective 12pm date of resignation? Who in the current heiracrchy? I just wanna know. Plus, I wanna use it ‘elsewhere’….
Adie,
have long been envious of our sister ccmask’s resident river otters – and turned out t/b a sweet lesson to those of us wishing to slay the beast – coulda sworn that was emptywheel herself climbing on the croc’s back !*g*
and besides – any sec now, they’ll show the swimming diving monkey !
emptywheel @ 29
Thanks a bunch! EXACTLY as I suspected it might be, but just wanted to be sure.
Can’t hide my pride in Brown! I.am.so.happy(!) to have him in the Senate.
Mr. V – not so much; but he’s used to receiving polite e-mails of concern from this household ;-> Will send both, just to be sure.
You’re a treasure, EW ;->
cbl @ 20
ooohhh…
Here’s what I want to know–
It’s Atwater to Rove to ???
Presuming it wont be a brain tumor that takes Rove down, but eventually the stake will be driven through his heart…. But the next Rove lurks out there somewhere. Who is s/he? and how can we neutralize this politico early?
Blank Kludge @ 32
Paul McNulty.
Blank Kludge @ 32
Dep AG McNulty, I believe. Although he resigned, I think because he’s still in office that he would be immediately tagged as AG. Am I on target here?
ruffian @ 6
Have you tried IE7?
cbl @ 33
sounds like a DANDY mascot for us, side-by-side with Kobe, a-course. ;->
I don’t think Gonzales will ever step down either and think this article about Wolfowitz applies:
Another successful White House tantrum
“the Bush administration’s unerring approach to all things managerial: It’s right, you’re wrong, and everything can go to hell until everyone else cries “uncle,” no matter how harmful this childish game might be to all parties concerned.”
[ . . . ]
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/7573
Sorry, but, again…is it a sure thing that the no confidence vote will be held tomorrow?
OT The national average for regular gas today is $3.178.
Actually this is on topic. Alberto Gonzales represents one kind of thuggery and the oil companies another.
laurie9 @ 36
look to Liberty or Regent U… (?)
oops. is that profiling?
David Robinson @ 41
This piece is becoming more relevant as this drags on, I think;
http://www.slate.com/id/2164751?nav=tap3
“look to Liberty or Regent U….”
Yep. Ratf**(ers for Jeebus.
tw3k @ 39
i am using ie7
ccmask @ 35
It all sounds like a croc to me.
Kitt @ 42
No, I don’t think so. Originally, the Senate vote was scheduled for Wednesday. Then on Friday, both were rumored to be Monday.
Give Specter’s comments that Gonzales was likely to step down before the no confidence vote, I suspect there is some horsetrading going on now on terms. WHich may mean the vote gets delayed long enough for WH and GOP and Dems to negotiate a replacement plan and probably acceptable replacements.
toolpusher @ 18
The wheel’s work is impressive, to say the least. If you enjoyed “Gonzo’s Week,” check out the latest, a little Sunday exploration into immigration rolls and “voter fraud”/suppression with the ICE, under Homeland Security. As she says, Chertoff makes Gonzalez look like… I don’t remember exactly, but you can imagine.
As to ew#21 and Schumer driving the train (to a certain extent), it was pretty funny to read Schumer’s comments in the CNN story link (TNH this morning) on how he was looking forward to Gonzo providing relief from the polarizing Ashcroft.
laurie9 @ 36
Historically, college Republican organizations seem to be fertile breeding grounds for these zombie bastards.
Hugh @ 48
used ta wuz…
my $$’s on the otterside…
emptywheel @ 37
Oh. Right. But only until his pumpkin arrives, what mid-June? I forget…
emptywheel @ 49
Thank you, Emptywheel.
OT:
cbl: Be sure to check out the bird mating call on Planet Earth. That is the most beautiful bird I have ever seen.
Pepperdine Law School Professor Doug Kmiec
Duke Law School Professor Erwin Chemerinsky
Georgetown Law Center Professor Randy Barnett
Legal Counsel/Judicial Confirmation Network Wendy Long.
Chapman Law School Professor John Eastman
and let’s not forget Borkemada his own self – just as a typical Admin f-u to congress
emptywheel @ 21
I’m still bettin’ Olson. Especially afte Comey gave him a bit of cover as a “reputable” Redubyacan, Arkansas project notwithstanding. plus he can still play grieving widower card.
I don’t see why Condi can’t NOT do two jobs as easily as she is currently NOT doing one.
Condi for AG
Gee! Ya-think??? *g*
Why did Ted leave the administration?
As far as I’m concerned, Fitz is the only one I would trust to replace Gonzales.
ccmask @ 55
What kind-a boid, please?
cbl @ 20
“Staring down” or just watching very carefully, so they know which way to jump – like DOJ staffers watching the Justice Committees.
dick c @ 63
i wish they were that smart…
Adie @ 52
Either way it looks like otter chaos.
emptywheel @ 49
Senate Judiciary meets on Habeas Corpus on Tues. 5/22, and again for Business Meeting on Thur. 5/24.
Thursday’s meeting agenda includes “Authorization of Subpoenas in Connection with Investigation into Replacement of U.S. Attorneys”.
My guess is that if horsetrading isn’t going well, there could be surprises at the SJC’s Business Meeting.
Does the “rumor” that AGAG is about to resign consist only of Arlen’s comments this morning? Because it seems to me that he wasn’t so much saying what he thought would happen as sending a message to Abu himself about his No Confidence vote.
rwcole @ 58
Excellent point. And since she has gutted State of top deputies, she won’t even mind that she has none at DOJ either.
So then… if the AG is fired by Bush, the president perhaps gets some PR mileage as do the Democrats? But we may of course be left with the same or worse than Gonzales. I am here using the Rumsfeld replacement and it’s ramifications as the yardstick. Not very comforting.
Listen here for a most interesting discussion of the Gonzales/Card ambush attempt, with Glenn Greenwald, Bruce Fein and Lawrence Tribe.
Who’s in line after McNulty, please?
I can’t even remember if Moschella has resigned. Hertling’s around.
It would end up being a fancy troika-like entity. Sullivan from MA with the harp from CT, Mercer et al running the ship w/o compass. The ‘Improper Stormtroopers.’
ack
Adie @ 62
I don’t know..I can’t find it now. I lost it. It was a bird of paradise I think and when it opened it’s wings, it was prety scary looking.
Gotta run. I rented a movie from Blockbuster but they never took the security tag off and I CAN’T OPEN THE DARN THING!! Egads.
rwcole @ 58
I think you’re on to something. Condi would have no problem filling Alberto’s vacuous shoes.
Blank Kludge @ 53
I think McNulty’s is upon confirmation of replacement but not sure.
For the latest GonzoGate news, document dumps, email archives, hearing transcripts and other essential materials in the firings of U.S. attorneys, see:
“The U.S. Attorney Scandal Resource Center.”
WaPo Link
ruffian @ 47
IE horribly handles style. maybe z-index would fix it.
Is Ms. Rice an attorney?
cbl @ 56
I would disagree about Bork to this extent: he was rumored to be ready to resign with Richardson and Ruckelshaus during H2Ogate Saturday Night Massacre and did not only because they convinced him to stay on for department continuity. He may be a right-wing slug in some respects and inapprorpiate for the SCOTUS but he at least SEEMED to respect the law and Constitution.
OT: (Blogwhore) Research Reveals Lies In Cheney’s “Shot-His-Pal-In-The-Face” Story
from youtube, about 10 minutes long
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
No.
As far as I know, Condi has no legal training- making her a perfect fit for the job- signin a bunch of shit that she doesn’t understand.
tw3k @ 76
yikes! beyond me! besides its not all- yesterday’s were fine
Cuewhiffle @ 67
And don’t forget the Spectral One’s recurring bit part as administration “voice of dissent”.
dakine01 @ 80
Is Ms. Rice a diplomat?
No.
OfT – Katrina V. kicked ass again on the George Stephy show.
I need a cigarette.
ruffian @ 47
Have you tried Opera?
Isn’t there a job spec that spcifies the AG must be a lawyer in good standing?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
rules? We don’t need no stinking rules-those are for others
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
I would hope so. Otherwise isn’t it a bit like hiring a welder to do brain surgery?
I think Bush could nominate Laura fer AG if he wanted to- requires senate confirmation- don’t know if he can use his “recess appointment” TRICK.
Naturally all this is beside the point as long as Rove rules.
Absolutely correct. Rove, for example, has not lost the will to win; he hopes the exhaustion and complacency of others will lead to his victory. He’s like a First World War general, determined to send his last trooper into the maw of mud and massed machine guns, hoping his enemies have lost the will to do the same. He’s counting on being able to claim “victory”, to net a lordship and keep him out of jail.
Tim Griffin and Rachel Paulose are still there; they haven’t changed their goals or tactics. A legion of Goodling and Sampson clones are still employed in the federal govt, invisibly intent on winning victory in ‘08.
Rove’s fortunes depend on rebuilding his consulting business and winning elective office for his clients. His ability to do that depends on his network’s ability to gut or delay the regulation of businesses, mergers, the environment, etc. Let’s throw a little more sunlight on his past accomplishments, plant crosses and garlic in his coffins so it’ll be harder for him to get a good day’s rest for his next night’s work.
SANTORUM!!!
really!
if abu bin gonzo DOES resign (i doubt he will), it will be a blow–a black eye, in the discourse of Jos. Heller–to the Chimp…
he won’t meekly back off. he’ll wanna shove a stick in the eye of his ‘enemies.’
such a stick would be a recess appointment of someone GAY-RON-F**KIN-TEED to piss off the people who caused him grief…
somebody like Rick “Man-on-dog” Santorum would be perfect, on a couple of levels…
/.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
Heck, who needs an attorney? If Regets U is good enough, Condi’s PhD is sure to be.
rwcole @ 90
Nope. That’s the Bobby Rule.
I think a family member cannot be AG. But, for the moment, google is no friend.
ruffian @ 88
If she knows anything about real estate, and how to curtsy before
the King, president, she’s at least as qualified as our present AG.ruffian @ 82
Na, pretty simple way to place an object in a stack in a particular order. Something the the style editor would have to do.
So how does a pre-no confidence vote Gonzo resignation fit into the “this is all being orchestrated” scenario?
Especially since McNulty resigned before Comey’s testimony. But the WH and Gonzo probably had a pretty good idea of what Comey’s testimony was going to be like, so that’s not a big deal. And McNulty left a lot of time on his clock, so that Gonzo can resign and McNut will be there long enough for the transition.
Another factor is that the WH has known that Gonzo would eventually get run for quite awhile now, a couple of months. Long enough to have a very clear idea of who they want to be the next AG. A clear idea, with some very complicated reasoning behind it, that will require some careful parsing.
should the no-confidence vote be held off until after Ms. Goodling’s testimony?
Adie,
this page has 4 videos of Birds of Paradise calls – and next time you’re over at youtube – type in Birds of paradise or David Attenborough
Planet Earth – Birds of Paradise
youtube of lyre bird imitating forest sounds
I have this rather quaint notion that I want the best lawyers available to serve as AG, Supreme Court Justices, federal judges and legal counsel to the president. And legislative counsel too.
What did the President fuck up and when did he fuck it?
So, d’ya think he’s gonna resign over the Memorial Day and that Bush will recess appoint someone?
Think Progress reports SEVEN more US troops dead. So it goes.
OfT again, sorry. But is has been a lot of fun for me to watch George Will, now that he’s seen Katrina V. several times now on the George Stephy show, come to the realization that he doesn’t wanna mess with Katrina.
who says ya can’t teach an old dog?
earlofhuntingdon @ 105
13 total for the weekend…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 19
Be very afraid of Gonzo “voluntarily” resigning. That would signal a sycophant to the existing criminality has been found.
I prefer the no confidence path, followed by his impeachment. That keeps these crooks on defense.
And, to those who find themselves discouraged by the slow pace of this criminal empires’ downfall, remember “it’s always darkest before the dawn”.
Dawn comes Wednesday in the form of Monica Goodling.
OTOH, I’d love to see Hatch questioned on the Patriot Act provision. What am I thinking, no one would ask tough questions. Protecting each other is their main agenda.
LS @ 103
IF he did, I’d say that gambit would be a fast-track to iMpeachment.
But…
jayt @ 99
I don’t think we’re going to get very much out of Goodling’s HJC testimony. One, she’s not going to just turn over and sing like a bird. And two, I could be wrong, but they’re just not as good as the SJC or Waxman.
having spent the last four years making certain that politically reliable minions and satraps are in place in the USAtty’s offices all across the country, in preparation for their vital roles in stealing the next election, i doubt the busheviks would appoint anyone to a vacant AG position who is not equally reliable, in the (i believe unlikely) event that Gonzo step down…
.
Well, Pelosi laid it on the line on Steph. this morning. She likes George W. Bush. There we have it.
Would be worth puttin up with Hatch for a few months to get his ass out of the senate- but why in the hell would he agree to give up his secure senate seat to fry with his favorite president for 19 months. Doesn’t make any sense.
zhiv @ 98
Mimikatz has one historic note she always brings up in these discussions: Once the Dems were able to dictate the choice of AG in Watergate, the whole thing fell apart.
BushCo has been balancing three competing issues all along in this matter. Wanting to keep Gonzales in, Rove protected, yet still have some say over an AG replacement. With Monica coming up (and Ralston), it’s clear they’re losing their ability to protect Rove. With Specter effectively guaranteeing the no confidence vote will be ugly, he’s saying that, if need be, the Dems can impeach. And it’s better for Congressional Republicans (and Bush, frankly) if they’re not forced to cast their no confidence bid.
So getting him gone before the vote is one issue on which there could be a lot of leverage, from Congressional GOPers and Schumer. The big question, though, is who would make an acceptable AG for all three parties? How far have the GOP lost control over that issue? And will Bush dig in his heels believeing that an impeachment battle is still better than losing Gonzales in the short term?
Undoubtedly, one issue that is in the backgroudn is all the illegal spying.
rwcole @ 103
Where does one begin? There are so MANY options to choose from.
ruffian @ 83
I right clicked the sliver of photo today, saved it as jpg, and was able to see the whole thing…
This is probably a stupid question – but is there any way the senate can take a weekend vacation without it officially being a recess? in other words, can they all go home, but be subject to recall to DC in case of emergency (Dubya doing a recess appointment)?
dakine01 @ 115
Speaking of this would anyone know how much progress has been made one the following promise Bush: I promise to rebuild Afghanistan, Iraq, New Orleans and Lebanon?
wgg: tokin librul @ 22
(((OMG)))
John Dean said that with a couple of poor moves the DOJ would be “shut down” meaning hamstrung… seems to me we’re almost there
Blank Kludge @ 71
Hi EW, all. back again…
In re: hopes for having a vote of “No Confidence” proceed agnst AGGonzo…
I just e-mailed our 2 OH Senators, plus Reid, Leahy & Schumer for good measure (yes, included mega-kudos to Schumer for his incredible stint questioning Comey ;->)
Thank you again, EW, for your wonderful posts.
You make it so easy for us paeons to sound smart in a hurry, regardless… *blush*
From FTN via Think Progress on the No Confidence Vote:
Santorum- Interesting choice. Have we ever had a dog lover as AG before?
KathieinMN @ 118
how ’bout sending that idea to Reid? – pending approval from gurus here, that is. heh.
Wonder if there’s been any vote counting on the no confidence thing? What’s critical is how many goopers would jump ship. If it’s double digits- it would badly wound Clusterfuck.
OT-I mentioned in previous post. This is a recommended diary at Kos:
Anyone read it? (hint to Marcy)
What do you think?
How will the fast-fading Rethugs Who Support Bush respond to any further acts of fuckery?
Not well, I think. Especially the ones up for re-election in 08.
Confidence here remains high. Confidence in the overwhelming fact that the rule of law will win. The belief is that almost all attorneys are dismayed at what the AG has allowed to happen, and thus done, to tarnish a proud profession.
Sandman @ 119
None.
This is another example of simple answers for simple questions.
But reality is, NOTHING the Chimpenfuhrer has promised at ANY time has come to fruition, other than his promises to his base, the Haves and the Have Mores.
AZ Matt @ 123
okay… i’m off to send a lil’ mail to sphinctor also
[can’t believe i just said that! oh well. war is heQQ]
Argus Leader story on rape charges against former GOP lawmaker:
OT, but kinda inportant. I’m reposting this in case some of you missed this last night. Over 400 people are holed up in a church basement about 20 miles east of Cleveland.
Immigrants rounded up in Painesville, Ohio
Fasten your seatbelts, it’s gonna be a real bumpy ride the next few months until these crooks are thrown out of office.
This is nothing more than another “Look, over there!” style distraction from the meltdown that’s occuring in Darth’s administration.
Sorta like the crook that throws the gun at Superman when he’s out of bullets.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 129
music to my ears… thanks OKK
Adie @ 125
Okay – I am waiting for the support of the FDL gurus!
And Marcy – huge thanks and admiration for all you do, and so superbly!
rwcole @ 125
From this MoonieTimes article (via TP), Schumer says he has at least 60. I THINK this was before Salazar told Gonzales to quit, which is probably a pretty good indication the caucus will remain loyal. SO the question is, how many GOPers are willing to push this in hopes of ending this?
emptywheel @ 114
Do you (does anyone) expect much out of Goodling before the HJC? She and Ralston have to be saying something significant, somewhere, but it’s hard to believe they’re going to bring down the whole operation in one fell swoop. My guess is that it will subtle and complicated, but who knows.
And I guess, concerning finding an acceptable choice and factoring in illegal spying, is the difference split perhaps by making a deal for the new AG to appoint a special prosecutor? That might be a bargaining chip.
So much of it is stalling, too, just running out the clock.
A pre-No Confidence Vote resignation by Gonzales avoids the vote. Destroying or preventing the creation of a historical record that contradicts their “message” is this administration’s defining characteristic.
They never say they’re sorry, they’re never wrong, and they never admit the obvious. They litigate routine govt disclosures to avoid making them, sometimes all the way to the SCt. They rewrite the laws so they’re no longer breaking them. They change venues and charges rather than lose a court ruling. They rewrite regulations and reports to delete the inconvenient truth.
Gonzo’s resignation would also buy “points” with both sides of the aisle and time to jockey for who his successor would be. They’ll time it, if possible, to avoid disclosing something even more startling, like the President’s direct involvement in law breaking.
The hard part, of course, will be avoiding Senate confirmation hearings. Those would make Pandora’s box look like an assortment of chocolates. Which means they might well pick a Senator, hoping the boys & girls will back one of their own.
Hard to imagine Schumer backing Hatch or Cornyn. They wouldn’t offer it to lawyers like Comey or Fitz; they wouldn’t take it either, not with the dysfunction permeating the DOJ, the trailing liability of illegalities, and the personalities still in the White House. Who would, under this Vice/President?
oooh, maybe they’ll nominate Alice Fisher for AG – thinking they could fend off attacks with calls of sexism -
not likely in light of Chairman Leahy’s public criticism of her anemic prosecutorial experience – but boy oh boy would this little hippie love to see her dragged out from where she’s been hiding
emptywheel @ 21
Fran Fragos is a Much. much pretty version of Chertoff. If Chertoff was a pretty woman instead of Skelator, he would be Franny.
Does anybody have an actual link to a “Loyalty Oath?”
Also, AZMatt, if you’re still around, yesterday someone from AZ said there’s a recall of McCain being bandied about. Know anything?
The political calculus on firing Gonzo includes:
How bad will this vote look?
If they lose Hegal and a few of the usual suspects- no big deal- if there are twenty goopers crossing Clusterfuck on the vote- that cuts his nuts off- he can’t afford to let that happen- show he has no control of his own delegation.
Also- does Gonzo staying keep the heat off of Clusterfuck himself- or will the continued investigation of Gonzo increase the odds of catchin ol Clusterfuck with his hand in the cookie jar?
Do they have a replacement they can reasonably expect to get through confirmation?
How much good is Gonzo currently doing them in terms of the ongoing politicization of the the justice dept?
zhiv @ 136
I think I’m one of the original pessimists on the Goodling testimony. Though SJC is poised to subpoena Rove and Miers directly on Thursday in response to her testimony, which is all they really need out of her.
Honest, I think Schumer has an entire 2-week plan put into motion, with lots of options at each step. Specter likely knows that. This week looks like this:
Monday, Tuesday, Or Wendesday: No confidence vote (depending on the negotiations)
Wednesday: Monica’s testimony
Thursday: SJC poised to vote on subpoenas which might extend to others invovled in the illegal wiretapping.
Which leaves Friday if Gonzales wants to resign before the recess; though I suspect Schumer is already on the lookout for a recess appoint.
And that’s only the stuff we already know about. Schumer’s not fucking around, I don’t think.
looseheadprop @ 140
Franny likes boots, too.
One more spiffy dresser, office wife for our Prez?
From President Bush’s Memorial Day speech…
“I respect my good friends decision to step down, in the interest of calming this controversy and allowing the Justice Dept. to get back to the essential duties it is tasked with. And to ensure the Department is able to get right back to work, I have chosen someone with Justice Dept experience, someone I know and trust to protect Americans. I would like to introduce your new Attorney General, John Yoo.”
zhiz@137
“Do you (does anyone) expect much out of Goodling before the HJC? She and Ralston have to be saying something significant, somewhere, but it’s hard to believe they’re going to bring down the whole operation in one fell swoop. My guess is that it will subtle and complicated, but who knows.”
As I pointed out earlier, I expect a lot. And they’ll bring the whole operation down because their insights will be the “straw”. The camel’s back is straining as we speak.
Look, I know we’ve been disappointed before, but by Wednesday night I’m expecting a lot of happy people here at the Lake.
emptywheel @ 143
As someone said the other day, Schumer may be a camera hog but he usually has a damn good reason to be in front of the camera as justification for it.
Can a president install a cabinet member (such as AG) by recess appointment? Has this ever been done?
EW?? Anyone??
This sounds kinda neat.
Could it work?
Wouldn’t it be worth a try, to prod Reid to think of at least something along these lines?
KathieinMN @ 118
Loo Hoo. @ 141
I vaguely heard of that but really don’t know how serious it is.
Wasn’t Comey’s testimony an late add-in, done when the wingnut who was supposed to be there told the committee he couldn’t come because he was on vacation? Am I misremembering? I thought inserting Comey into the space, and the close, revealing questioning, was a way of backslapping the contemptuous behavior of the Bushies. No?
Schumer must know that if you go after the king- you’d better not just wound him. Losing this battle would be a major set back for dems. They need to force a resignation or no one will ever take em seriously again. Ya can’t just keep fuckin around with things.
Smgumby @ 145
Yoo could NOT be confirmed and I have to believe that Harry and Nancy have learned SOME lessons including no recesses. Someone(s) fairly junior may have to stay in town over traditional recessperiods in order to go into session and then adjourn, but NO RECESS FOR YOU CONGRESS!
Marcy, Have you had a chance to read the DKos diary yet? It’s what we have all feared. Martial law and Bush takes over. And a hurricane would justify such a move. Or, maybe not. Need someone more knowledgeable than I to interpret it. Thanks.solai @ 126
Adie @ 148
I don’t think it’d work. I believe they need to leave behind a few freshmen to guard the gavels. I hereby nominate Whitehouse and Cardin from the Senate.
Recess appointments have been made since the earliest days of the republic. President George Washington appointed South Carolina judge John Rutledge as Chief Justice of the United States during a congressional recess in 1795. Because of Rutledge’s political views and occasional mental illness, however, the Senate rejected his nomination, and his appointment lapsed. Rutledge subsequently attempted suicide.
On August 11, 1902, President Theodore Roosevelt named Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. to the United States Supreme Court through a recess appointment. He was subsequently confirmed by the Senate on December 4, 1902. Roosevelt made several recess appointments during a one-day recess of the Senate.
New Jersey judge William J. Brennan was appointed to the United States Supreme Court by President Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1956 through a recess appointment. This was done partly with an eye on the presidential campaign that year; Eisenhower was running for reelection, and his advisors thought it would be politically advantageous to place a northeastern Catholic on the court. Brennan was promptly confirmed when the Senate came back into session. Eisenhower made two other recess appointments.
Ronald Reagan made 243 recess appointments during his two terms in office; George H. W. Bush made 77 during his single term, most notably Lawrence Eagleburger for U.S. Secretary of State in 1992, sanctioned his role as “de facto” secretary since James Baker resigned.
President Bill Clinton made a recess appointment of Bill Lan Lee as Assistant Attorney General for civil rights, when it became clear that Lee’s strong support of affirmative action would lead to Senate opposition. Similarly, when the Senate did not vote on his nomination of James Hormel to be Ambassador to Luxembourg, Clinton made a recess appointment. Many people felt that the Senate’s inaction was because Hormel was openly gay, and when he was appointed became the first such person to serve as a U.S. ambassador. Clinton made 140 recess appointments over two terms. On one of the last days of his Presidency, Clinton used the recess appointment power to place Roger L. Gregory on the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit. Gregory was the first African-American to serve on that court.
President George W. Bush recess appointed two judges, William Pryor and Charles Pickering to U.S. courts of appeals after their nominations were subjected to a Senate filibuster by opposition Democrats. Judge Pickering, of the Fifth Circuit, withdrew his name from consideration for renomination and retired when his recess appointment expired. Judge Pryor was subsequently confirmed to a lifetime appointment on the Eleventh Circuit. In his first six years in office, Bush has made 167 recess appointments.
On August 1, 2005, Bush made a recess appointment of John Bolton, to serve as U.S. representative to the United Nations.[3] Bolton had also been the subject of a Senate filibuster. The filibuster concerned documents, which the White House refused to release, which Democrats suggested may contain proof of Bolton’s abusive treatment and coercion of staff members, or of his improper use of National Security Agency communications intercepts regarding U.S. citizens. Having failed to win Senate confirmation, he resigned his office in December 2006 concurrently with the adjournment of the 109th Congress.[4]
earlofhuntingdon @ 137
My thinking is that Gonzo’s head has been on the chopping block for so long that they’ve got at least two or three suggestions for the next AG. And they know they have to factor in the confirmation process, so there has to be some bargaining in the equation.
Not sure why an elected repub Senator would leave a seat to become AG, especially at this point. There’s probably some complicated scenario where it might work, but it seems awfully farfetched.
Maybe look at it this way: if they can come up with a John Roberts, and follow up Harriet Miers with Alito, and follow Ashcroft with Gonzalez, there’s got to be some spectacularly scary character out there for this job. The best hope is that he/she actually believes in the rule of law and has some understanding of the role of the DoJ, and that Schumer/Leahy and the Dems can make some kind of deal to appoint a special prosecutor. Just hoping.
rwcole @ 103
Pretty much everything and pretty much everyday.
Remember that question Kohl asked Comey “can you name an example fo good judgement exhibit by AG Gonzales?”
Well, can you name an example of good judgement by Littleboots?
Hmm, take your vacation or save your country…
…I really wish that I believed they would stay in town over the weekend. But enough to stop a recess appointment?
Exactly how many people would that take?
solai @ 153
I think it’s an explicit statement of a policy that has been in place since the Cold War. But one signed, not surprisingly, before Hurricaine season could take out NOLA’s levees again.
emptywheel @ 155
might not hurt to threaten, heh…
emptywheel @ 155
I Second the Nomination
egregious (from downstairs) -
Tks for the broder comments linky; rather a lot of fun to be had there. “I don’t trouble my beautiful mind” reading the idiot in the original (just snips from the blogs).
twolf (also d/s) -
Tks for the gethuman link; ran across it earlier but didn’t bookmark. And dear God! another SIX lost in Iraq!
wow – maybe Cornyn would take the nod – his re-elect numbers in TX are currently below 40% – although again, that whole scrutiny thingy may prove “troublesome”
if they could find an Olson, Danforth, etc. to sign off on keeping things tamped down a la Abu, he’d be back in Texas by now
and I loves me some Sheldon Whitehouse, but I prefer they leave the freshmen Tester and Webb to guard the chamber
The power of the Executive to make recess appointments extends to any political appointee including cabinet members. Article 2, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution gives the power to any Federal vacancies.
I know that a recess can be anything over three days, but I am not sure what it takes for a recess to not occur. Sara, based upon conduct during the Shiavio case I believe, has postulated that at least two members of the Senate must be present. The House is not really pertinent, it is the Senate that is the key, because it has the confirmation power.
cbl @ 163
Perhaps Webb and Cardin, then.
The point was to leave members of SJC there, since it’s their job to oversee justice in this country. And I figured this matters as much to Whitehouse, an ex-USA, as anyone. And he MIGHT be able to bop home for a quick visit, which Tester woudl have a harder time doing for a number of reasons (how far is his farm from the closest airport, for example?).
But with Cardin and Webb, you’d have one SJC member and one person packing heat, both of whom coudl sleep in their own bed at night. Which might be the most sensible solution for these thugs.
hangs head in embarassment – didn’t realize we were talking about SJC members (it was those damn swimming monkeys !!) – was just thinking of the two most butch freshmen – sorry
Smgumby @ 157
Seems to me that it would take one congressman and one Senator.
Slap the gavel – “we’re hereby open for business”. (one thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand three) – “There being no apparent busines before this body, we are hereby Adjourned until tomorrow”. Slap the gavel again.
of course, one must factor in the possibiilty that I’m entirely full of sh*t.
Glorfindel @ 151
I think it was Schumer bitch slapping Specter, in that oh so polite senatorial way. Comity, you know.
emptywheel @ 166
Oh MY! I LOVE that image! Webb standing there armed, everything the Chimpy isn’t, saying “There’s a new shuriff in town folks,” just DARING the chimp to try to pull something. LOL!!!
emptywheel @ 166
Okay – I just wrote Reid and my senator, Amy Klobuchar, suggesting (begging) they keep the senate open over the weekend. Maybe it would help if some others here write, too?
njr @ 144
I was talking about her ruthlessness when it comes to amassing power and her seeming total disregard for letting doing the right thing influence any analysis she does.
I am not attacking her personally. She has a husband and kids and wouldn’t want them to see a commnet like that.
I heard Orin Hatch say on TV that he didn’t think he could get the senate votes for AG. I was suprised to say the least. Maybe Orin isn’t popular with his peers.The tie? Dunno’
Does it not suck (big time) that we all worry about what Bush might do next?
If he were an enemy of the state, how much worse could he be doing?
jayt @ 168
cbl @ 167
Well, I’m happy to have Webb, by all means, not least because he’d be able to go home at night.
But I think the point is to prevent Bush from saying he couldn’t advance a nomination, which is why the Constitution allows recess appoints inthe first place. So two SJC freshmen would do it, it seems. With Webb ordered not to allow them to be removed from the room under any circumstances.
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The bigger the guzzler, the better the numbers. Sales of GMC’s Yukon XL were up a whopping 72 percent last month, and the totals for its Chevrolet sister, the Suburban, rose 38 percent. Topping off the tank on either one can cost as much as $120.
solai @ 174
You’re either for Bush, or against Bush. (Be ye terrorist, foreign country, or U.S. citizen.)
molly @ 173
Was this today?
First, without a Lieberman in the SJC, I’m not sure he’d make it out of committee. All the non-freshmen Dems know what a shit he was as Chair. ANd Whitehouse isn’t about to let Hatch further gut the USA corps.
It might finally come back to seeing Hatch as responsible for the PATRIOT USA appointment rule. No sense is rewarding him for fucking over the Senate.
Laura Flanders upstairs at the Book Salon!
thanks EW
Through his membership on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, Armed Services, Environment/Public Works, and Small Business Committees Senator Lieberman works hard to increase the efficiency and effectiveness of the federal government, ensure our military is well-trained and well-equipped, protect our environment, and support entrepreneurship and innovation among the nation’s small businesses.
(nothin about justice)
I have been looking at the Senate Rules. The specifics surrounding “recess” are pretty thin. It may be as simple as Reid declaring that there is no recess and leaving a skeleton crew. It may require a quorum.
bmaz @ 182
For the Senate, Robert Byrd could tell us as he has the rules pretty much engraved on his brain IIRC.
What a terrific discussion of Gonzo politics at the Lake today. Thanks, EW, and everyone. EW, your analysis is so incisive it’s hard to believe you haven’t had legal training. Good comments have been posted for why Gonzo would go pre-no-confidence vote, and maybe he will. But Gonzorama seems like circle-the-wagons time for Bushco. If Gonzo goes, is there a risk the Senate would gain the leverage to force the naming of a special prosecutor? If so, could we have Watergate II? In my dreams, I wish that Gonzo’s replacement would be the Lieberslime, to get him the f— out of the Senate. I know, I know, he wouldn’t take it, and the Governor of Connecticut would name a Republican to replace him. Anyway. . .
“The senate is in recess whenever the commander in chief says it is”
Clusterfuck manual for operating the government.
hey all — late to the party — but
i’ve got a whole lot more on the
historical context for the comey-testimony
of this past week, and i agree — gonzo
may finally be gone.
dakine01 @ 147
I can’t wait for the day when Schumer delivers a smackdown on LIEberman, but he has a lot of work to before that. Someone called the SJC the “A” Team and they sure look like it. I wish they could tutor Conyers & Co. to be as effective.
Marcy, do the Dems run a risk in tabling too many impeachments? By that I mean, if they were to impeach AGAG, would they have trouble getting Reps on board to impeach Bush & Cheney?
On my website I’ve exposed Monica Goodling and her boyfriend/Assistant US Attorney for Virginia Richard Parker (with 4 pictures)…. (she most likely got him the job)
(http://misterapologist.blogspot.com/)
Its already been reported that the US Attorney for Western Virginia, John Brownlee, was the FIRST name on the list of 5 possible candidates for firing ……
… Perhaps it would be pertinent to ask how Goodling’s boyfriend got the job as Assistant U.S. Attorney in Virginia… and perhaps it might be a good time to figure out why the US Attorney from Virginia (a battleground state) was put on the termination list….
Scarecrow -
al-Sadr has resurfaced . . .on the WaPo front page
TPM
Petrocelli @ 187
I don’t know that that’s the issue.
The point, it seems to me, is to get a legal investigation underway in the hands of some independent authority. Impeachment is the most direct way to do so. But I suspect an investigation is going to lead to further exposure, and perhaps to people turning on each other.
And now that Comey has put the illegal wiretapping in range of a Gonzales impeachment, that’d get you to Cheney pretty quickly.
emptywheel @ 190
Do you have inroads into Schumer’s office or anyone else on SJC?
I am calling my acquaintances to see if Preet Bharara has seen the list of questions you and TiredFed have compiled.
You might not want to answer the first question, just let me know if I should make an effort to get these questions to Preet.
Petrocelli @ 191
Marcy, you can get my e-mail address from the Mod to reply to this question.
MisterApologist @ 188
I’ve been following your website. Good work!!
This is for those who have not been reading about Nowacki linked from your site:
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/n…..204641.htm
looseheadprop @ 158
looseheadprop! Please step over to see what your Priming the Pump suggestion for a “virtual think tank” has wrought! I hope you’ll join!
Bob in HI
nolo @ 186
Wow! I love your website too!!
Bob Schacht @ 194
Wow on this too!!!
Petrocelli @ 187
If there’s anyone left here, our virtual think tank needs some proposed Articles of Impeachment against Gonzo.
Bob in HI
Hope somebody is keeping score of assistant USA’s who suddenly die.
McKay was investigating the murder of Wales, hope that’s on the list.
Bob Schacht @197 – As you know, saw your effort last night. Wife and daughter got me cleaning pool and patio today so am in and out. I will certainly look and contribute if I have anything intelligent to add over next few days. Excellent idea, even if just to get people’s minds into the thought process; and really a lot more good also. Thanks for the effort; between all of us, it really is starting to count.
LS @ 195
thank you so much!
s m i l e. . .
hopefully it will be
a busy — good news — week. . .
p e a c e. . .
out.
cbl @ 56
Uberhauptfuhrer John Woo?
emptywheel @ 21
Of course, with Hatch they lose a Senate seat. Really doubt that Rove would risk making Lieberman “irrelevant”.
little late to the party but I do believe the rove will get liarman a nomination as ag
that will be almost impossible for democrats to defy
Okay. I introduce the new Attorney General, Jeb Bush.
dakine01 @ 153
Are any of the Demcoratic Party presidential candidates a former prosecutor?
I know Sen. Hillary Clinton is an attorney, but I don’t believe she’s ever been a prosecutor. Has any of the other candidates ever been a prosecutor?
I have reached the conclusion that we need a Democratic Party president in the White House come January 2009, and not just any Democratic Party president, but one with prosecutorial credentials.
Why?
To prosecute war crime charges against members of the outgoing Bush administration, as well as prosecute crimes committed against our Constitution and our democracy.
A Democratic Party president would also cleanup the Justice Department of some of the more un-American, anti-democracy elements, and replace them with patriotic, “rule of law” people, in a non-partisan manner.
At least that’s my hope.
And from looking at the Republican Party’s presidential candidates, if any of them win, all we would have in 2009 is a Bush clone in the White House, who would continue the same nefarious, anti-democracy, un-American policies.
Thus, my conclusion we need prosecutorial Democrats in the White House, starting in 2009, who will stem the bleeding of Uncle Sam and the shredding of our Constitution, who will conduct thorough in-house White House investigations of the most corrupt and evil outgoing administration in American history.
Will Hillary Clinton do it if elected president? Will Barack Obama? Will John Edwards? Will any of the Democratic candidates do what is necessary if elected president?
I believe we should at least give one of them a chance, but it would help if any of them have had prior prosecutorial experience.
cbl @ 101
THANKS MUCH! (We have to share the toobes, so I just returned & saw your comment ;->)
cbl @ 101
This thankyou is really late in coming, but thank you so much, cbl. Some of this footage was “new” to us even tho hubby has taught ornithology 30 yrs.
Just a wealth of stuff available now-a-days on the toobz! ;->