(Please welcome author Ilona Meagher who is here to discuss her book, Moving a Nation to Care: Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and America's Returning Troops -- JH)
He was known simply as "the Marlboro Man," the "Face of Fallujah. No one knew his name. Everyone was introduced to the myth. Back home he was simply known as Smokey. He was 20 years old when the photograph was taken. It was the real life version of a recruitment poster. But Marine Lance Corporal James Blake Miller, a member of Charlie Company, 1st Platoon, 8th Marines, was also a flesh and blood man underneath the bravura of the soldier everyone saw and was now worshiping, even wanting to be like. How Miller became the myth is recounted in the first pages of Ilona Meagher's amazing book Moving a Nation to Care. It's not the story George W. Bush and the Republicans pushing escalation want to tell, but it's the reality of war, especially the Iraq war as it is being fought today. The real life recruitment story as seen through the picture that became synonymous with military heroism and self sacrifice long ago crumbled in on itself. "The Marlboro Man," "the Face of Fallujah," the war hero, Smokey, now has PTSD.
Miller has now become the chronicler of another war--the war within. He now appeals to the country that declared him a hero because of a photograph, asking that they look beyond the image and see the human cost of war. "I want people to understand what PTSD is and what it can do to you--what it can to do your life."
Moving a Nation to Care, by Ilona Meagher (p.10)
"There's a strange pressure on these soldiers not to have any problems with what they are doing. It's that old idea that a real man and a true warrior will stand strong." - Psychologist and trauma specialist Michael Phillips
Moving a Nation to Care, by Ilona Meagher (p.93)
Warfare has changed. It started with WWII when nighttime battles were ushered in. During Vietnam our soldiers were introduced to guerilla combat. Today in Iraq (and beyond), our fighting men and women are now barraged with 360 degree asymmetric hell. But especially in Iraq there is never any time to recoup from battles; no moment to regroup after a skirmish. Extended deployments have only made matters worse.
"Unlike most conflicts where only front line troops face hostile fire, nearly all our service members in Iraq are being exposed to constant fear ... on a 24/7 basis for periods often lasting over a year at a time. The constant fear of dying is overwhelming and it is taking its toll. They say the average infantryman in WW2 saw 44 days of action; the rest of the time was training and transportation." - Eric Massa, from Moving a Nation to Care
The other very real issue is that our soldiers are moving targets for everyone, because in the Iraq theater our soldiers don't know who is friend and who is foe. Being on guard 24/7 would deplete anyone's reserves and put your nerves on edge until you finally crack.
Now add female soldiers. As a strong proponent for women serving in combat positions, it's important to remember that women are indeed fighting and dying next to men, regardless of Mr. Bush saying they are not.
Contrary to President Bush's statement, "No women in combat," and current federal law that is meant to keep them far from conflict, women warriors are fighting and dying on today's battlefields. Indeed, the Army's 3rd Infantry Division has been collocating (i.e., placing side-by-side) women with combat support units since February 2005.
Moving a Nation to Care, by Ilona Meagher (p.95)
According to Ilona's research, women suffer from PTSD at rates "twice that of men." Women deserve the right to fight in combat, as far as I'm concerned, but we need to know the costs they're paying when they choose soldiering.
Much needs to be done to bring PTSD out into the light, but we've come a long way from Patton's day, when artilleryman Paul G. Bennett said he couldn't stand the shelling any more and got a face full of one general's rage for what he was experiencing.
"Your nerves, hell; you are just a Goddamned coward, you yellow son of a bitch. ... You're going back to the frontline and you may get shot and killed, but you're going to fight. If you don't, I'll stand you up against a wall and have a firing squad kill you on purpose." - General George S. Patton
But just because we've recognized PTSD doesn't mean that our soldiers feel any less ashamed when the diagnosis comes. Denial often sets in next. The image of the ever rough and ready, give 'em hell super human American warrior will likely never die. We must understand that our soldiers need the image in order to stay alive, but we also have to help them dismantle it when the shooting stops. Our ability to recognize the human suffering underneath is the only way to make our veterans whole again.
One last thing to think about that also gets overlooked. The rapid immersion back into civilian life after battle isn't helping anyone, especially our soldiers coming back from combat zones they haven't even grappled with themselves. As Ilona states in her book, soldiers need time to decompress and get used to being off the battlefield before going home. Even something as simple as modern air travel has affected our soldiers' ability to heal by short-circuiting the time that's actually required to re-enter civilian life without getting whiplash from the stimuli.
One week before Memorial Day we should all get prepared to share, shout and hear the tributes all of our soldiers so justly deserve and have earned one hundred times over. We will watch President Bush march out and trumpet the troops. What no one will do is mention the thousands of soldiers fighting to live normal lives long after they've come home. All the soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan who right now are doing so while fighting PTSD. Memorial Day is reserved for the fallen and the brave. The battle scarred and struggling soldier fighting PTSD every day to stay alive and live normally is never mentioned. The soldier fighting on the front lines with PTSD does so silently in order to try and stay alive. We don't even know the numbers of fighting soldiers struggling on the front lines with PTSD today.
We have the bravest, most unselfish, most talented and brightest group of soldiers on planet earth.
But no one should think about Memorial Day without knowing the costs these soldiers pay for their service, not only on the battle field but long after their deployments and redeployments have ceased. When you put our fighting men and women into war they're glad to serve and give their life for America. It's the pledge they take upon volunteering.
However, no soldier's oath has anything to do with fighting another country's civil war. The stress of doing so is causing our soldiers and the U.S. Armed Forces to crack. Mission creep unfolding into policing a civil war not your own would do that to anyone, even the bravest.
You can't see PTSD, but it's often right there in front of you. Just ask "the Marlboro Man." He'll be living with it the rest of his life. So will his wife and the wives and husbands, as well as children and siblings, of thousands of other soldiers. That is if these military marriages and families make it through PTSD together. The outcome is rarely certain.
He told the San Francisco Chronicle that he was grateful to those who paid for the wedding but that he had found dealing with day-to-day issues and stress from the war too much. "I love Jessica, I really do, but I can't be with her," he said.
Mrs Miller told the paper she still hoped they could be together. "I think neither one of us recognised the scope of post-traumatic stress disorder and what it does to you and what it does to people around you," she said. "Now he's got to figure out how to deal with it before he can deal with me."
The more we know about PTSD the more we can help.
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Hello firepups.
Welcome, Ilona. Thrilled to be hosting this amazing book salon at FDL.
Thanks so much to Jane for inviting us in. But most especially I’d like to thank Ilona for such an amazing book. I can’t recommend it strongly enough to you all.
hello ilona…welcome
Ilona and Taylor—
Welcome to firedoglake!
Thank you for writing this book. Few issues trouble me more than ignoring the needs of our troops once they return.
egregious @ 5
Seconded.
Ilona, thanks for your work and welcome to the Lake!
Taylor, welcome back!
It is mystifying that this administration didn’t plan for huge numbers of returning vets with PTSD.
Did they just cling to the original shock and awe plan, and assume no one would be injured after that? Did they hope the private sector would step up? Did they just not care? The mind reels.
There is a question that has been bugging me since the Iraq invasion first happened. The govenment has reported casualty figures, including the number of killed, but I don’t think that the number reported as killed includes anyone who was wounded on the battlefield and then later succumbed to their wounds.
What is the real U.S. military death toll in Iraq?
egregious @ 9
The more attention the Administration gives to PTSD the more people will pull away from supporting the war. It’s the hidden flag draped coffin syndrome take to greater heights.
Now I fully realize some would call me naive and perhaps simple minded. But it sems to me that if we bring our soldiers home from Iraq, then… no more Iraq War related PTSD. And there are some other pluses to ending our, what amounts to criminal activites, in Iraq.
Hi Ilona,
You mentioned on your website today that one of the things we need to keep in mind is that communities are important in healing PTSD. What is it that you think communities aren’t doing that they could be doing?
Thank you so much for the warm welcome, Taylor, and echoing your thanks to Jane and the whole FDL community.
Right out of the gate, I’d like to drop a link to an excerpt from Moving a Nation to Care, Chapter 6: The Rumsfeld Revolution in Military Affairs. The book was meant to hit stores on May 1, but through a series of minor shipping date snafus, books arrived late from distributor to stores and Amazon.com.
Apologies to anyone who’s pre-ordered and has been waiting as long as you have. Books are on their way as we speak…yeah!
Ilona, welcome to the Lake.
Taylor, always a pleasure to have you join us.
For all commenters, please stay on topic during Book Salon. If you want to make OT comments, feel free to do so in the previous thread.
Thanks.
Here is a link to Aaron Barlow’s admittedly biased review of Ilona’s book: In the Aftermath: A Review of Moving a Nation to Care: Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and America’s Returning Troops
Aaron says:
In the two years that I have known Ilona, it is clear that she has indeed helped to move our nation to care.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 12
Until the next time. I think as the survival rates improve in our wars we’re likely to see more the next time we have one. Speaking purely as someone who gets to see these folks in his own work, I’d say that there ought to be more attention paid to making sure there are treatment facilities available.
Thanks so much for being here today, Ilona. And thanks for bringing attention this matter, it shines a very important light on yet another group of George Bush’s victims.
Most of the world is suffering PTSD as a result of the various Bush administration enterprises.
Welcome, Ilona. This is so important: thanks so much for your work on this and for joining us to talk about your book today.
Taylor Marsh @ 11
Taylor, that’s why I find some small hope that things are gradually changing toward seeing the reality of the returning troops.
There was a front page above the fold article in the Washington Post today about the huge number of fresh graves at Arlington Cemetery and the people who come to mourn them.
Ilona and Taylor—
Thank you for this Book Salon; this is a subject that this generation will be dealing with for a long time.
RBG @ 15
Always a pleasure, RBG.
Hello Ilona :)
My husband was a Viet Nam vet and a POW, who was tortured by the North Vietnamese. He lived with his injuries for over thirty years until his fatal heart attack 23 months ago. His missions were covert, so he never got treatment for, what I now believe to be PTSD.
My question is: How do we make sure that covert military members get the treatment they need and deserve?
With gratitude,
For Dan,
Heather
Welcome, Ilona. Do you have any thoughts or interactions to share regarding he military’s use of Regulation 635-200, Chapter 5-13: “Separation Because of Personality Disorder” as a way to deny acknowledging soldiers’ suffering from PTSD and as a mechanism to short them on long term treatment and benefits?
When this salon was announced the other week, FDL reader kirk murphy linked to this article that appeared in the Nation dealing with this matter: “How Specialist Town Lost His Benefits” http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070409/kors
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Ilona, I started to type out a question about whether the DOD offers ameliorative medications to reduce the duration and/or severity of PTSD in soldiers with new-onset symptoms.
Then I realized the question is predicated upon the DOD actually having the capacity to diagnose new onset PTSD in active duty troops.
From what I am told by colleagues in the VA, they perceive that in the DOD active duty personnel in combat theatres receive no real diagnostic evals, much less treatment.
From what you have learned, does it seem that active duty troops receive any real diagnostic screenings for PTSD during their combat tours?
Ilona, thank you for your caring spirit. I was moved by your earliest diaries at dKos and am looking forward to reading your book.
Cujo359 @ 17
That’s very true. But the impression is treatment for war related issues is symptomatic. I’d like to see a bit more emphasis placed on the preventative aspect. And I can only wonder how the families and friends of the victims of the Bush war are coping with their own PTSD. We all do what we can. ;0)
Sangemon @ 10
This is the $500,000 question, isn’t it?
Believe me, no one really knows what the figures are — and I would suggest that ignorance reaches all the way up to the very top rungs of government/military/research institutions. I have had Walter Reed Army Medical Center researchers and VA officials and others of the same capacity ask me — which is really stunning, if you think about the fact that I’m a citizen journalist who only took this issue up two years ago — what’s going on with the figures.
The DoD has so muddied up the WIA count to render it basically useless. Think: How is that the official count is around 25,000, yet the VA has already handed out over 100,000 disability claims to OEF/OIF troops?
I believe that’s why the PTSD Timeline hosted and fact-checked by my colleagues at ePluribus Media has been so well-received by Senator Kerry’s office (who has accessed the data to suplement their own research), media outlets like USA Today and others, as well as universities, etc. There just isn’t anyone seriously compiling this kind of stateside incident data — post-deployment incidents such as police standoffs or suicide that aren’t being included in the official KIA count.
Hi Taylor…. I hate to comment and run by my DFA fund raiser is this afternoon but I wanted to post my experience with PTSD. [anyone want to donate go to www.dfamc.org]
My father is a WWII Vet, Marine and survived the battle of Tarawa which was one of the bloodiest battles in the Pacific. My father took advantage of his Vet benefits and went to college from his GM union job post WWII. Became a Wildlife Biologist working in CA, NV & AZ Fish & Game and US Forest Service. Pretty solitary jobs Monday to Friday a lot of days. Weeks out in the boonies. We always knew things were bad but he was the best of Dad’s and still is. It was F9/11 movie that started him talking about WWII, told me it hit him bad. He has talked more about his experiences since then than at any time in his life.
His therapy has always has been doing good things for others. Currently he and bunch of other geezers are building their 13th Habitat Home. Most are WWII, Korean & Vietnam Vets but they sit down and talk about this war during their breaks. Dad said that has been very therapeutic for them all.
Chacounne @ 24
I watched people come home from Vietnam shell shocked and dazed. Few from the Vietnam era got treatment for PTSD.
Hi Ilona, Taylor, JANE! and pups.
Ilona, just today I was listening to the Wednesday hearing/meeting on PTSD on CSPAN and was taken aback by Dr. Sally Satel of the American Enterprise Institute.
I didn’t disagree with all that she said, but her attitude seemed to me to be that PTSD was easily treatable with a job and if the soldiers would just buck up, they could move on with their lives.
How widespread is this view of the illness in the medical community?
Hello, Taylor, Jane and Ilona.
Yesterday I had a diary up at Big Orange prior to your Greenwich Village appearance. When I stated that the tour is just beginning and that other cities would be possible, Crashing Vortex said that he wanted you in New Orleans.
Seems like you will be getting around more than you thought. Where else would you like to appear - and who would be your targeted audience?
What do we tell a service person returning from Iraq with PTSD? I have family members, some of whom are on their second and third tour in Iraq.
Taylor Marsh @ 30
Thirty years later he was still screaming in his sleep and also in his sleep, desparately trying to convince people he was talking to in Vietnamese not to do something.
Sadly,
Heather
Elliott @ 32
Always take note of the source and who pays the doctor. In Satel’s case it’s the AEI. That tells you a lot right there, imho. Again, masking the problem with platitudes, because if they didn’t no one would support the war anymore.
Elliott @ 31
My fellowship (subspecialty) training in psychiatry was in PTSD (and severe medical illness).
Dr. Satel’s paycheck comes from AEI rather than from a medical school for a very good reason - her stated opinions are not supported by the scientific literature on PTSD.
Dr. Satel’s jihad against PTSD from her perch at the AEI dovetails nicely with the VA Secretary’s campaign to “talk away” the magnitude of PTSD for the VA system.
Dr. Satel is to PTSD what the physiology PhD. Laura Schesslinger is to psychotherapy - ignorant, and therefore dangerous.
kirk murphy @ 37
I thought you had some expertise in this area, Kirk. Thanks for your insights, very interesting.
We will be seeing the emotional and physical destruction of untreated mentally ill vets for decades.
FOR SHAME. We sent them into battle, we owe them adequate treatment. Hell, we owe them superior treatment. And what are they getting? The run around.
katymine @ 30
Hey, katymine, I knew Ilona’s work would be important to you because of your dad. Thanks for stopping by.
We have a bunch of terrific physicians here at FDL, starting with Kirk, which always makes me loathe to criticize their peers. Unfortunately, based on my perceptions, the American Psychological Association, won’t do anything until the psychiatrists weigh in. I hope your book causes them to step up as a group.
And it looks as though we are going to be in Iraq for a very long, long time. Therapeutic treatment, physical and emotional. A growth industry.
Here’s the solution. Give our returnees all the treatment they may need for the rest of their lives. And stop the war. Now.
Jane, thanks for your kind reply and your tolerance of my credential waving.
“Colleagues” who sell their titles and professonal souls to help deny care to the suffering make we want to spit.
I’d love to see Satel forced to defend her AEI propaganda in a debate with real PTSD clinicians.
She’d finally learn the meaning of “intrusive traumatic memory”.
Thanks, Ilona, for bringing the subject out into the light. I’ll put it in my Amazon cart (via FDL, bien sur) for next time.
I wonder if this would be a good project for Dem clubs all across the country - educating their communities about ways to reintegrate their vets, how to help without patronizing, talking about PTSD out loud so it’s not such a stigma.
Thanks Kirk and Taylor. I knew the AEI was a red flag, and I wondered if she actually had any patients.
I feel a little better knowing that she’s at least somewhat marginalized — except that she had forum at this hearng/meeting.
I’m surprised she didn’t suggest that the soldiers could make a little extra money if they sold one of their kidneys.
John Casper @ 41
I read this book in galley form. It is excellent. I think that this book will only come into its’ own when both psychiatrists and the families of those with combat PTSD step up, yell loud, and are heard above the Bush noise machine.
kirk murphy @ 44
I would love to help take this spokesperson for “No problem here” down. Future fdl post?
Let’s at minimum make it impossible for her to go on the talk shows and say that everything is fine.
Maybe if our soldiers were fetuses the Republicans would care what happens to them after they survive a war.
Ilona,
Thanks so much for taking this topic on as a grail. I just spoke with another vet over the weekend who suffers from the syndrome.
Amazing to me. The right wing types who supposedly “support the troops” sweep this and many other vet related issues under the carpet.
TRex @ 49
You’re so bad, TRex. (But in a very good way.) Unfortunately, there’s a lot of truth to it.
Taylor Mash … chick or dude?
Elliott @ 32
If I could fault one person for disinformation or a shrugging off of this problem it would be Dr. Satel (in addition to the current Pentagon leadership).
Ilona’s work as been yeoman effort built brick by brick, tear upon tear. I did a bit of work on the research for the PTSD timelines on ePluribusMedia.org and I have to tell you that it is the most depressing work to confront the inefficiencies of our current PTSD screening efforts.
Ilona - I am so proud to know you.
Jane Hamsher @ 18
Can’t say enough about the fine Girl Power Day you lovely ladies put together today with Laura Flanders to boot! Honored.
You know what’s interesting, Jane?
I started collecting this data, these heartbreaking incidents back in the summer of 2005.
I was moved by an August 2005 piece by Rick Anderson in Seattle Weekly, called Home Front Casualties. It was the first such article I’d seen (although after my research I did see that others were doing some incredible reporting on this issue — people like Mark Benjamin of Salon and Chris Adams of Knight-Ridder) and it really shook me up.
It listed some 7 violent incidents (murder/suicides) that had occurred to troops who’d recently returned from Iraq to Fort Lewis, Wash., and I began wondering if there were more familes that were being destroyed in this way after having celebrated the safe return of their loved one.
From the Seattle Weekly piece:
I know part of my agenda was to find out if these incidents were common, but that quest was fueled, of course, by amazement and anger over the fact that our troops and military families were being asked to pay a steep price while the rest of us were literally asked, even conditioned not to care or pay attention by the media and the adminstration.
But, once I drilled down further and got to know about the situation, I was suprised to find I became much less radicalized than I would have originally expected. Healing the individual is key for me — even if they’re Republicans. But I’m so glad others are using their time to do what they feel they need to do to push for resolution to this mess.
We need all hands on deck, that’s a given.
kirk murphy @ 44
Oh, I get it.
Jeff Huber @ 50
This administration and the wingers support the troops, right up to the very moment they enlist. After that, not so much…body armor, unsafe vehicles, lack of support when they get home.
It reminds me of the winger position on life: they support life, until the moment of birth. After that YOYO you’re on your own.
I almost done with Ilona’s book, Moving a Nation to Care, and frankly, it is indeed moving along a number of dimensions. As a psychologist and stress researcher, I didn’t expect many surprises from the book, and in many ways, there weren’t many. In fact, nothing of substance in the book appears to be factually questionable or at odds with what is known and largely accepted by stress physiologists. Probably the main dispute among stress physiologists and psychologists would be over whether PTSD is a “disorder” at all, or rather the “normal” functional adaptation of the brain to extreme and/or chronic traumatic experience. I fall into the latter camp. In other words, it seems quite expected that extreme, chronic traumatic experience can irreversibly alter the physical neuronal and therefore mental landscape of the traumatized, in such a way that normal functioning in non-traumatic environments is permanently affected. A good deal of evidence backs this up. However, in a sense, that is merely saying that we now have mountains of physiological evidence supporting the claim that when you smash your thumb with a hammer it hurts, which is somehow pedantically orthogonal to Ilona’s rather masterful exposition of psychological trauma which caused me to well with emotion. Ilona keeps her own sentiments at an appropriate distance from the soldiers’ tales, in much the way Robert Frost might report a poem about a child losing a limb to the snarl and rattle of a table saw, before bleeding to death in front of the family. I am deeply impressed with this book. To me it reflects a Katrina-like moment–a quiet Katrina–another test of our national character. I truly hope this book makes the NYT bestseller list.
tomsch @ 52
Chick, babe.
What advice would you give someone,a lay person with little experience,about dealing with a friend,neighbor or family member with PTSD who may be ashamed to admit there is a problem or to find help?
Ilona;
What additional impact do you believe it will have on troops suffering from PTSD when they come home and, as they become better informed on the origin and conduct of the Iraq war itself, begin to have horrible feelings about how they were used by the Bush administration for an agenda having nothing whatsoever to do with national security and defense?
Do you feel that will add to what they are already experiencing from emotional wounds suffered there?
From a Vet, thanks for being here and for the book.
Bob
Just found this article that points to a recognition by the military for a need to take action to better diagnose PTSD and assess how to best allocate assistance for those affected serving in the military: Better testing, aid urged for vets with PTSD
It’s a bit disconcerting to realize how behind the curve we are in coping with this very complex problem in the context of what is amounting to a ‘mass casualty’ event in its own right for Iraq and Afghanistan.
Dr. Robert Ursano is referenced in the article linked above. He is chairman of the department of psychiatry at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland. He is the father of a woman I trained with in psychiatry at UNC Hospitals in the late 90’s and someone I’ve met. I’d be interested knowing more about his thoughts on the last 4 years.
John Casper, thanks for your very kind comment.
(Sadly, Satel is a medical doctor - an MD. I don’t know if she’s an APA member - if so, I hope the APA expels her.)
Lots of psychologists play central roles in PTSD research - Edna Foa, PhD chaired the DM-IV PTSD task force.
My sense as a clinician is that both psychiatrists and psychologists motivated to treat PTSD have identified effective treatments for many patients.
anangryoldbroad @ 59
Start with the concept that they are probably feeling overwhelmed and humiliated. They need help but don’t feel they deserve it and are ashamed to seek it. They when they do, they will probably be kicked in the teeth.
These vets need friends and supporters who will work with them lovingly keeping in mind their sense of being vulnerable and ashamed.
Be a friend to a vet in your community. Pretty soon there will be wounded vets in ALL our communities.
Oh, and that doesn’t even count when they realize the war was based on LIES and was for nothing. Then we are gonna see some real rage. And spouse and child abuse. And suicides. And more.
A large percentage of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan still believe they are fighting the people who attacked us on 9/11. Wait until they find out that isn’t true.
Elliott @ 32
Veterans call her Silly Satel.
I don’t disagree with every point she makes, either, but your impressions of her are dead on. A choice quote of hers in Mark Boal’s recent Playboy piece, The Real Cost of War:
Asking for more money to treat soldiers returning from Iraq with physical and emotional difficulties, is not good PR. Same with attending the funerals of those KIA. Bad form.
Much as I agree with the basic sentiments here I take issue with the unsupported claim : “We have the bravest, most unselfish, most talented and brightest group of soldiers on planet earth.”
This is the jingoism I think we need to avoid.
We have many brave, unselfish, talented, and bright young men and women serving as volunteers–so do the suicide bombers who oppose us.
Your rhetoric does not honor the former by underestimating the latter.
Ilona, I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the HUNT REPORT
I hope you’re publishers’ marketing plan includes the military. Marshall and Hunt both understood long before WWII that “occupations” required units who had not been “blooded” by the identical people they were occupying. Referencing the Hunt Report, which is still taught at West Point, might help spur some sales via the Pentagon. Clearly they forgot to inform Bush and DeadEye about the Hunt Report.
(text and link is from the terrific poster, Sara, over at tnh.)
Ilona - I’m so proud to know you.
I’ve said that so many times I can’t count. That seems to be the consenious of opinion about Ilona. The most remarkable thing about her involvement with combat PTSD, is that to succeed, she had to earn the trust of veterans and active duty personnel first.
She does that every day.
I am a veteran. I was in a meeting with Ilona, 2 top sargeants, and 1 retired top enlisted man. Also, in the meeting were 3 other non-veterans.
Ilona was able to get these veterans to open up, say what was on their minds, and enlighten the non-veterans. All the veterans attending that meeting agree: she gets it. She is to be trusted. That is a very rare thing, indeed.
Ilona Meagher @ 64
That Playboy article is worth a read. That quote from Satel is simply mind boggling.
Has the Administration ever admitted what almost everone else knows? That there is a civil war in Iraq.
anangryoldbroad @ 58
AOB, one concept that may help is “normalization” - sharing with the suffering person how frequent their experience is.
Here current research (or my knowledge thereof) fails. For Iraq vets with multiple tours, is there data about PTSD incidence as a function of increased duration of Iraq service?
Re: Dr. Sally Satel, a psychiatrist and adviser to President Bush on mental health issues views PTSD this way: “I’m not saying PTSD doesn’t exist, but it’s gotten out of hand. I mean, if you see a lot of action and then you come home you have a hard time walking your dog by the bushes at night, maybe you just avoid the bushes.“
One way to think about PTSD is that it’s a disorder related to forgetting. The problem is not remembering, but rather the inability to forget. Avoidance of things that intensely trigger traumatic memory can be a result of PTSD. But avoidance isn’t palliative, it’s part of the problem that causes suffering.
Ilona, thank you for your tireless work on this vital issue. As I have mentioned to you before, my Marine nephew has PTSD from his three tours in Iraq. I am going to send him a copy of your book, after I get it signed by you when you are in the area.
Ilona,
We have so many problems and scandals currently competing for the attention of the media, Congress and the public. Do you have any suggestions as to how we can help keep some of the spotlight on PTSD so it does not fall thru the cracks?
Muzzy @ 73
Do you mean that it’s because the sufferer is changing his life to avoid suffering, or just because the problem’s still there?
I have to run.
But a word of warning. Do NOT order or buy just one book. You’ll regret it. Order at least two - one for you and one to loan. More bad news: the loaner ain’t coming back.
Earlier I spoke about some veterans in a meeting. Well, I snatched one galley copy from someone, and my copy. I gave it to the top sargeants. They have read it.
Now, they are sharing the galley copies with members of their units. That’s how good this book is.
Thanks Kirk and egregious for your replies.
Taking the other route in my questions,what should one NOT do when relating to someone with PTSD? The last thing I’d ever want to do is make someone’s suffering worse from my own ignorance.
standingup @ 74
Arranging to get Ilona’s book reviewed in the mainstream press (anyone know someone at NYRB?) would be a huge help.
egregious @ 21
Taylor Marsh @ 11
You’re not alone. I think many of us are being a bit more optimistic after the WRAMC WaPo investigation put an end to the idea that things are working in the DoD and VA outpatient experience. Veterans for America’s Steve Robinson (a Gulf War vet who is a tireless advocate for the troops returning home today) just said recently:
If Steve is cautiously optimistic, then I trust that.
I’ve heard the same reports from a scattering of employees at the VA. But, as Robinson points out, what this means is that we need to pay attention now more than ever, to make sure we get some necessary changes in place before the window of opportunity closes.
Moving a Nation to Care has a 20-page resources section to help citizens get active politically as well as individually in their own space and community. Included are three pages of DoD/VA improvements we could do some hard lobbying for.
Bob Geiger asks:
Ilona alludes to the related concepts of control, uncertainty, and group cohesion as important factors in the development of PTSD, or the recruitment of the chronic stress response network more generally. Briefly, there is an inverse relationship between between control and stress–the greater the control, the less stress. High unit cohesion for soldiers helps immunize from stress because it leads to a greater sense of control over an unpredictable environment. A high sense of purpose or mission can also function that way. Of course, betrayal of that mission (being lied to) is quite unlikely to be prophylactic to, and if anything would exacerbate any sense of uncertainty or loss of control. This is why ordinary Americans need to show cohesion with the troops, to get their backs, as the administration simply refuses to do so.
I thought one of the “extra” things included in the Supplemental funding bills was PTSD treatment — is it still there, and is it properly focused?
Has Sally Satel, M.D. ever seen any “action?” I just think a few weeks on patrol in Baghdad, in close proximity to a few exploding “IED’s,” might really “help” Sally’s research. Come on Sally, roll up your sleeves. I think “camoflage” is a great color for you.
John Casper @ 82
Just avoid the bushes.
Dr. Satel’s comments strike me as not merely vacuous, but the height of professional irresponsibility. Rule 1: Do no harm.
Is it even possible to have soldiers, fighting for any length of time in a situation like we have in Iraq, with a healthy mental attitude?
Could, should every single soldier go through PTSD therapy before during and after deployment?