This AP photo of the nearly complete US embassy in Iraq, reported to be the largest embassy in the world, reminded me of a conversation I had recently on a flight to the midwest. I was fortunate to sit next to a young National Guard Airman just returning from a tour in Iraq. He was a very decent fellow, and we had a long chat.
I won't go into details about who he is or what his specific job was in Iraq, because I didn't tell him I might write about the conversation, let alone on Firedoglake, and we had a fairly candid conversation. He wanted to talk. And the conversation brought home some realities that are often lost in the discussion about troop withdrawals, timetables, benchmarks and levels of violence.
Back to the AP story about the embassy. Why, you might ask, would we need to build this:
The $592 million embassy occupies a chunk of prime real estate two-thirds the size of Washington's National Mall, with desk space for about 1,000 people behind high, blast-resistant walls. The compound is a symbol both of how much the United States has invested in Iraq and how the circumstances of its involvement are changing.The embassy is one of the few major projects the administration has undertaken in Iraq that is on schedule and within budget. Still, not all has gone according to plan.
The 21-building complex on the Tigris River was envisioned three years ago partly as a headquarters for the democratic expansion in the Middle East that President Bush identified as the organizing principle for foreign policy in his second term.
My Airman friend has done three tours in Iraq so far, and he wants to go back. He's proud of what he's done. He's an engineer, and engineers build things. They make things work. And they take pride in making them work and building things to last. They would understand the Bridge on the River Kwai.
If my friend is right -- and this is just one anecdote from one Airman, but he's been there three times, all over the country doing the same thing, building what he builds -- we are building a huge, permanent infrastructure in Iraq. We are putting in the latest equipment, and it is not there to support some temporary military presence. What's going up is not something to be taken down and removed when our troops withdraw or respond to some uncertain Congressional appropriation. And the facilities that are being constructed, and the way they are being linked, indicate a more or less permanent military presence.
We're spending billions upon billions on this, and it's not slowing down. My friend has been there three times, and each time he goes back, he marvels at the tremendous change -- in how much more there is now than there was last time. Much more sophisticated; more permanent.
We did not talk much about the violence; where he worked, and what he did, did not require him to face that. He knew Iraqis but these were Iraqis who had essentially "joined us," in the sense that once they were inside the US infrastructure, they stayed there. They were helping to building this American infrastructure in their country. Their families were there, "inside," and no one talked about going "outside" because it was too dangerous. There are two different worlds: the Iraq we see on our televisions each night, with scores of people being blown to bits and pools of blood under devastated cars and buildings - and the American one "inside" the US infrastructure. A country within a country. America inside Iraq.
I could tell that my friend did not want to talk about the politics here, or the violence there. He gave no indication that it might all have been a waste of time, lives and money. There was no moral judgment. There was only the pride in what he had built, and the desire to go back and keep building it.
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Mutant Poodle @ 2
Almost!!!! Arghh!!!
Scarecrow!!! You’re on Fire!!!
You’ve been busy…I can completely understand the young man’s pride, and I think it’s understandable and good.
And, if some of his work makes the Iraqis better off (in the long haul), then double good for him. Just seems like the cost (and I’m not talking dollars) is awfully high…
We’ve got this wrong. That’s not the biggest US embassy.. it’s the smallest imperial viceroy’s palace :P
CTuttle @ 5
Yikes! PUT HIM OUT!
The washington post says it isn’t big enough.
Scarecrow, thanks for the fine brace o’ posts.
Hope the straw is OK and drying nicely.
and check this out:
Besides, the Largest Embassy in the world, why not mention the 4 hardened Mega-Forts, that will constitute our Military presence in Iraq, into the distant future!!!
Mutant Poodle @ 6
I couldn’t help but be impressed by this young man — and yet feel I lived in a very different world. I don’t think what’s being built has anything to do with whether it makes the Iraqis better or worse off. They just happen to live in the country where we’ve decided to build this huge American infrastructure. Everything else is just collateral damage — and once you’re “inside” you don’t see that. Only the combat troops have to face that.
Excellent anecdote, Scarecrow, and one more indication of why communication between Iraq and the USA is slowly being squeezed off. As this infrastructure comes online, and the violence ratchets up outside, The Regime cannot and will not tolerate such a free exchange of ideas. No YouTube, no MySpace, no photographers or reporters at bombing sites, no firsthand narratives of the Embassy and its tentacles throughout the Occupied Countryside.
Best for all involved that your Airman engineer acquaintance, and the city to which you flew, remain cloaked in mystery.
the professional was proud of the torture chambers he built; he didn’t know who it was being built for, and didn’t care, he just built the best torture chambers he could…
the professional was proud of joining an organization whose entire purpose was to kill people; he didn’t know who he was going to kill, and didn’t care, he just wanted to kill the best he knew how…
*snicker*
‘professionalism’ without conscience is evil…
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
CTuttle @ 12
That was part of our conversation.
I’ve known about this “EMBASY” for a while, it’s bigger then the vadican (I learned about it from my fav radio personality, randi rhodes, she’s been talking about it for over a year I believe)
once that is exposed and the real purpose the rest of bush’s house of cards fall
art guerrilla @ 15
this man did not build torture chambers, or prisons. I don’t think he could have.
I support the troops. That is, I want an end to the Iraq War now and our soldiers brought home. And to those considering enlisting, I say to you, don’t do it. Our President is a criminal. He is responsible for at least 3/4 of a million Iraqi deaths, and has sent 4,000 American soldiers to their deaths and untold of our troops are disabled as a result of his lunacy. And he lied, lied, lied to us about the reasons for attacking Iraq. This president should be in jail, awaiting trial for his crimes against men, women and children.
And to advance at State, apparently one must now serve here:
Is the embassy big enough to house oil drilling equipment?
The mods have been helping me find and fix typos. If you refresh, only the really hard to spot ones will be left. Thanks for your patience.
Scarecrow, that sounds ominous.
Is it all about the oil?
twolf1 @ 21
It’s big enough to have a refinery inside. Who says the US hasn’t built a refinery in years?
The Bridge on the River Kwai, great metaphor scarecrow.
They are already taking turns lobbing mortar rounds into the Green Zone. I’m betting that DeadEye’s US Embassy will soon resemble the Reichstag at the end of WWII.
Elliott @ 23
it’s about who profits from the oil….
but it is also about defending israel’s northern border…
and it’s about establishing land-based aircraft carriers within striking distance of the resources of central asia…
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Elliott @ 23
Yes, and more. If you see yourself as “the last hope of western civilization,” which is what Tancredo said to applause in the debate this week, you can justify huge military/diplomatic fortications all over the world to protect the American empire. Ordinary Americans are not used to thinking in these terms, but I think our tough guy Cheney and the neocons can’t think in any other terms.
boing full twisting one and a half sommersault into the lake
evening everyone - Scarecrow, another fine post.
Suzanne @ 28
hiya suzanne!
It’s always easier, when you don’t ask yourself any hard questions.
[Sorry, but that’s my opinion]
twolf1 @ 21
probably big enoough to build a ski lodge complete with man made snow
Scarecrow @ 18
Is there a water-boarding room under the embassy?
Also, did anyone check to make sure that there isn’t a regional headquarters for ExxonMobil buried somewhere in that building?
How wonderful for the Iranians — all these spectacular facilities, ready-made for them when they overrun the country as we leave.
SnarKassandra @ 29
Suzanne always makes a splash
Scarecrow @ 16
Can we hear more about that?
The embassy is being built in accordance with an Iraq policy that has already failed. It is a white elephant, a dead embassy walking.
In this, it is rather like the increase in the size of the Army and Marine Corps, by 65,000 and 27,000 respectively. Once we are out of Iraq these troop increases will not be needed.
It would be nice if we had an Administration that based its policies on facts not fantasies but this is unlikely to happen before January 2009.
TeddySanFran @ 33
I suspect they see this effort as (1) a sign we are not leaving and (2) a provocation, designed to prevent them from taking over
Suzanne always makes a splash
That Bulgarian judge has it in for me, I tell ya.
Suzanne @ 28
Evening, Ma’am!!! Long time no see….
Scarecrow, this is in addition to the permanent bases, correct?
Well, I think Senator Clinton’s made it clear we’re staying for some time under her watch, should she be granted one.
I want Hillary Clinton to admit she blew it on voting with Bush in favor of killing the people of Iraq and our soldiers. I want this individual to admit her responsibility for the carnage she helped wrought. And to call for this illegal and immoral war to end immediately. Senator, your vote to attack Iraq was wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. You have blood on your hands. Senator, read a bit about Bobby Kennedy and his views on very bad wars. And the courage he displayed in opposing LBJ and that other illegal war (Gulf of Tonkin Resolution), the Vietnam War. Senator Clinton, your triangulating and arrogance (’if you don’t like my vote on attacking Iraq, then vote for someone else’) on this issue (Iraq) is disgusting and demeaning to this Democrat. And you Senator want to portray yourself as a friend of children. I suggest you tell that to the mothers and fathers of our soldiers and the mothers of those innocent children killed in Iraq. Frankly Senator, I’m sick to death of you crap on the Middle East.
It’s big enough to have a refinery inside. Who says the US hasn’t built a refinery in years?
I just had a discussion today about the refineries in CA that are not used or acknowledged. OMFG. What a sham.
Isn’t it in the bill that the congress was working on, or maybe the one they already sent for funding the occupation, that we WON’T build any more permanent bases?
cal @ 35
The military bases are becoming hardened and expanded. Everything you might find on a US base at home, with all the facilities, and all the links to a command structured — hardened, permanent, state of the art. but there was a hint of concern about when civilian contractors came in to run facilities build by the military/Guard engineers.
TeddySanFran @ 41
…which is why I don’t think she will be granted one.
I don’t even think she’ll get the Dem nomination.
However, that and $100,000 won’t even bribe a congressman.
Great place for the Repug RICO trial. It won’t be good for much else.
Now to read the post.
cal @ 35
He must have participated in some of the construction on at least one of them!!! Any remarks from him on Halliburton/KBR’s performance/activities???
SnarKassandra @ 9
That’s this Ryan Crocker:
http://steveaudio.blogspot.com.....-fine.html
Bastard.
Suzanne @ 40
No, it seemed to be about the permanent bases.
how would we feel when another country built a building equivalent to this ????? on our soil? the equivalent to the size of the vatican??
it would never happen.
do you comprehend what that is? the parameters of it?????
we get upset when toyota builds a car plant, couple hundred acres..
the embassy is much more intrusive in many ways than this……
what is all says is, we rule….what do we rule? what are we ruling?
all for an oil contract? my god, my god.
outrageous. i would be so pissed and outraged and defeated if i were an iraqi
i so hope they get their shit together and DON’T pass an oil trade pact and DO pass for us to leave their friggin’ country.
Why is it Bush thinks he can keep from having time lines and benchmarks or any accountability whatsoever?
Does he think the Iraqi people are as gullible as the American people? Does he think that the American people would stand for an occupation?
THAT, my friends, is the George W. Bush Memorial Library.
“There are two different worlds: the Iraq we see on our televisions each night, with scores of people being blown to bits and pools of blood under devastated cars and buildings - and the American one “inside” the US infrastructure.”
Now, given the controlled nature of our press coverage, i.e., that what we see on TV is pretty much what the guvmint wants us to see, what does this tell us? Could it be that we’re not really supposed to know about this? Otherwise, why wouldn’t news crews be treated to daily walk-throughs of our spanking-new embassy complex, paid for with our tax dollars? Obviously, that would be a much easier story to cover than the ones outside the Green Zone, with the blood and guts and all. And maybe even a happier one.
Wassupwithat?
Under a future President Clinton do you think there will be a fair settlement to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? I don’t think so.
Rayne @ 53
That is the funniest thing I’ve read all day.
Scarecrow, so this Embassy is on the grounds of one of the permanent bases?
Elliot @ 23
Not answering for Scarecrow, but it’s been about oil from the beginning. After our 2003 Shock & Awe campaign, while Baghdad was being looted to the bone, one and only one building was secured…the Ministry of Oil. Now, 4 years later, the #1 non-negotiable benchmark that Bush is pressing on the Iraq government is the oil allotment agreement (constitution? amendment? whatever).
It’s always been about oil, from the beginning.
And our new bunker-embassy? Simply prep for the post-petro-apocalyptic ‘Road Warrior’ sequel that we’ll be living in the not too distant future.
spaghetti happens @ 54
Are there more pictures of what it looks like inside the green zone? I haven’t looked.
Suzanne, I’ve enjoyed each and every dive that you’ve done. Well done; thanks.
mhpcr @ 60
I left you a question on the end of the last thread. Did you see it?
spaghetti happens @ 54
Really good questions. Despite all the complaintst that the media don’t give us the “good” stories, this is apparently not the one the Administration wants us to see.
SteveAudio @ 56
Seem a little large for two books.
SnarKassandra @ 61
I’ll go there now.
mhpcr @ 60
Thank you :)
Scarecrow,
I don’t doubt this guy’s good intentions, and let’s hope that at least some of the 100,000 troops there are doing something good and worthwhile with their time and our billions of dollars, but the fact is that we bombed the infrastructure before we rebuilt it. We designed what we rebuilt and we did it with very little Iraqi involvement. And built it with US contractors, who got nearly all the money, leaving very little to go into the Iraqi economy, where unemployment is around 50 per cent.
It’s nice that this guy takes pride in his work, but if Iraq had a choice, don’t you think they might choose some of their people to do some of this work? Sounds like they have a real immigration problem on their hands there.
To paraphrase Jon Paul Repug from the debate, if China came over here and started building bridges, I don’t think we’d be too happy about it.
This is the math for this: It cost billions to bomb the shit out of Iraq, and billions to rebuild it to a shadow of what it was. Wouldn’t his time have been better spent fixing some of our bridges? Wouldn’t our money have gone to some good uses fixing our infrastructure?
Rayne @ 53
707!!! Why not? There’s no more fitting place, course, no one else wants to host the Worst President’s shrine!!! OT How much paperwork would reside in it??? A slim dime-book volume???
Suzanne @ 57
No, the embassy is in Baghdad, in/near the Green Zone. The large bases are outside. This man worked on the various US bases, some of which were what we call “permanent” others not so, and other facilities.
Scarecrow @ 63
Indeed, but the rest is for the playground equipment.
And the bar.
And the coca processing plant, fully functional.
Georgesimian @ 66
that makes way too much sense for these guys
SteveAudio @ 69
Don’t forget the industrial size paper shredders.
Your friend is right.
ok kiddo
and i think this one is meant to be read to someone ok kiddo
Presidential candidates:
Obama: 202-224-2854
Clinton: 202-224-4451
Edwards: 919-636-3131
Richardson: 505-982-2291
Kucinich: 877-413-3664
Gravel: 703-652-4698
OT The national average for regular gasoline today May 19, 2007 is $3.157.
The break down is as follows (50 states plus DC):
$2.90 plus 7 states
$3.00 plus 15 states
$3.10 plus 7 states
$3.20 plus 10 states
$3.30 plus 8 states
$3.40 plus 4 states
South Carolina is cheapest at $2.940.
California is most expensive at $3.457.
My bet was that the price would begin to moderate at this point due mainly to consumer anger and political pushback since the refinery squeeze, the main purported driver, is largely contrived. We should know by early next week if we are plateauing or if we are still on an upward trend. There is a lot going on here, especially if you look at what is happening now as a setup for what is likely to happen later this summer.
Scarecrow @ 63
OK, My Pet Goat and what else?
Hugh @ 74
It just hit $3 here. Today.
Suzanne @ 57
Actually, M’dear, the Green Zone Embassy is apart from the 4 Mega-Fortresses!!! *g*Suzanne @ 65
F*ck the Bulgarians!!! ;)
Mutant Poodle @ 75
No Exit
Mutant Poodle @ 75
Three histories of George Washington.
Suzanne @ 28
Is that an Olympic event?
If Hillary is the nominee and we vote for her for prez we will voting for continuing the occupation of Iraq. If we elect to vote for the Senator’s Republican opponent, we will be voting for continuing the occupation of Iraq. Some choice.
Scarecrow @ 50
Thought it was the Embassy.
Chalmers Johnson has been saying since 2003 that the US was gonna build between 5 and 14 NEW military bases in Iraq.
these would be among the most important bases in the world (outside those in afghanistan). in concert with the latter installations, these baqses were designed to be a check upon chinese energy aspirations in central asia…
we are NOT gonna leave iraq,
unless it is to build new bases in iran…
./
Scarecrow @ 78
Sartre seems a bit highbrow for him, no? I was thinking these would be books he’s actually read.
hmm… turns out jay bookman was right….
i can remembering reading this for the first time in september 2002 - it was the first time someone had proposed a reason for the coming war in iraq that didn’t seem like an obvious lie…
worth reading the whole thing again.
Loo Hoo. @ 80
No but the “GWBush Memorial (insert name here) ‘You’re doing a heckuva job’ with full reach-around” should be.
Georgesimian — yes, but I’m not trying to make a judgment about him. What I thought was interesting was the perception of a different world inside Iraq that he knew about and could describe, without making a moral judgment about it. I spend plenty of time doing that on other posts. It just struck me that this other world seems completely divorced from the US debate.
Rayne @ 53
ROFLMAO.
Scarecrow, are you from Romney Marsh?
Mutant Poodle @ 84
Do you think he got through “Fun with Dick & “Jane”
spaghetti happens @ 54
Al Jazeera doesn’t give us much either.
For a full set of the full set of renderings for this particular White Elephant, check out http://bergerdevineyaeger.com/.....bassy.html (complete illustrations of this beautiful building)
A little bit of architectural comparison:
Bucharest’s Ceaucesku Palace of the People, Romania
http://www.anchovy.durge.org/h.....os/096.jpg
Pyongyang’s Kumsumsam Memorial Palace, North Korea
http://www.theodora.com/wfb/ph.....os_19.html
…ah, the monuments of despots…
SteveAudio @ 86
Ooh - maybe it’s bald-head molesting…
Mutant Poodle @ 84
There are two versions of “No Exit” — one by Sartre; one by Cheney.
Blub @ 91
Spectacular links, thanks.
Sometimes, the best of Intel on “enemy intentions” comes thru bits and pieces and scraps of information. Anecdotal stories such as this one by Mr. Scarecrow can be far more powerful and telling than a dozen Sat photos.
It’s very clear now that Bush has absolutely no intention of vacating Iraq. Whatever his words….we’ll wait for the surge…wait till September….some benchmarks may be ok….and on and on…his words are all a fiction. Bush plays out an immaculate deception upon us all to this very day.
Good work, Mr. Scarecow. In a simple air flight conversation you amassed more real news than any of the MSM have done in 5 years. Good job; but your news is not so good. But that’s not your fault.
Ghostman
Elliott @ 89
No, I am not a sheep. You have 19 questions left.
Scarecrow @ 96
I better use them wisely!
This is one of those stories/posts that gives you a little chill, and confirms the worst quiet fears that you try to forget, the ones where the bad guys have a real plan and the money and they’re not just stubborn idiots.
The part that scares me is that the Engineer/Airman is very happy with all the work that has been accomplished, how every time he goes back he’s amazed at how much more has been built, and the scale and sophistication of the construction is incredible.
Yikes.
And yes, we’re definitely not supposed to know about this. It’s not one of the “good stories” that repubs complain we’re not getting enough of, because it’s about the permanent occupation and military presence.
Ghostman — I think you’re right about Bush/Cheney. They have no intention of ever leaving, and their reasons, whatever they are, have nothing to do with the level of violence in Iraq, or benchmarks, or democracy there or peace/stability in the ME.
Be care whom you elect President.
Be care whom you elect President.
‘we’ didn’t ‘elect’ this one…
and you’re right: we ain’t goin’ nowhere!
Why is it that the ongoing construction of these fortresses is never, ever mentioned in the “debate” on Iraq? Are our electeds unawar