Democratic leaders announced Thursday they will seek a vote of “no confidence” in Alberto Gonzales, hoping that convinces Gonzales or the White House that he should resign. Firedoglake’s looseheadprop will discuss the tactical significance of this later this morning.
On MSNBC’s Hardball, Senator Schumer said he saw no purpose in recalling Gonzales to testify, because Gonzales would, as he had twice already, refuse to answer questions or claim he didn’t recall anything that mattered. Schumer understands the more Gonzales testifies, the more the media and public will conclude Gonzales is the issue, rather than the lawless regime for which he became loyal consigliere.
The significance of James Comey’s riveting testimony has been explained in excellent posts by Glenn Greenwald, Marty Lederman [and see this Update], emptywheel, Digby, Swopa, and others, as well as the editors of the NYT and the Washington Post, who finally acknowledged the White House’s brutish and lawless behavior. But television news shows last night seemed too focused on how unseemly it was for Andy Card and Gonzales to importune an ailing Ashcroft at his hospital bedside and not enough on what the President’s men were trying to accomplish and why.
The President sent his men to Ashcroft’s hospital room to make an illegal end run around the Justice Department and its acting Attorney General. Acting AG Comey and the Department’s Office of Legal Counsel — whose interpretations were binding throughout the Executive Branch — had determined and told the White House that the President’s warrantless surveillance program was unlawful. The President and his men knew that continuing the program was unlawful, but instead of obeying the law, they tried to end run the DoJ’s findings.
Having designated Comey as acting AG, the seriously ill Ashcroft had no legal authority to reverse the DoJ’s determination and approve the illegal spying program. The President and his men undoubtedly knew this, but they ignored that legality, too.
Unwilling to obey the law, the President apparently ordered Card and Gonzales to extract an illegal signoff on a program DoJ had declared unlawful. If they failed to compel that signoff, they were prepared to continue their unlawful program without it — as they had already done. Today’s WaPo editorial captures the import of the “Wednesday Night Ambush”:
It matters enormously whether the president, once that mission failed, was willing nonetheless to proceed with a program whose legality had been called into question by the Justice Department. . . .
The administration, it appears from Mr. Comey’s testimony, was willing to go forward, against legal advice, with a program that the Justice Department had concluded did not “honor the civil liberties of our people.”
Only the threat of politically damaging resignations by Ashcroft, Comey, the head of OLC, and the FBI Director convinced the President to deviate from his lawless course, and Gonzales covered it up.
As though signing off on torture, politicizing the DoJ and misleading Congress on just about everything were not enough, Gonzales’ thuggish role in the “Wednesday Night Ambush” should be enough for Congress and the media to demand his resignation. A vote of no confidence is certainly warranted. If he does not resign — and with appointees as dishonorable as those in this Administration, and Gonzales’ role as firewall for WH complicity, he may not — then Congress should move to impeach Alberto Gonzales.
The matter will not end there, because Gonzales did not act for himself but rather as George Bush’s consigliere. The multiple Justice Department scandals did not originate with Gonzales. All the signs point to the White House and Rove’s political shop or in this matter, the Oval Office. Whether we’re dealing with political interference in criminal prosecutions, or unconstitutional efforts to suppress voting rights while ignoring real rights violations, or the unconscionable endorsement of kidnappings, renditions, torture and imprisonment without trial, we now know the Bush/Cheney WH was radically transforming the Justice Department from the nation’s law enforcement arm to an enabler of a lawless regime bent on protecting and expanding the regime’s political power. Short of armed overthrow of the government, it is hard to imagine a more insidious threat to our Constitution.
As much as any time in its history, the nation desperately needs an independent, honest, and effective Justice Department. An immediate need is to replace the current Attorney General with someone who can clean house and begin to restore public confidence in the administration of justice. A special indepedent counsel should be appointed to investigate all of the abuses of and by DoJ. And Congress and the media need to continue to expose the lawlessness of the Bush/Cheney regime, to purge the Executive Branch of the pervasive lawlessness that was allowed to fester for years. Gonzales’ resignation is important and necessary, but it is hardly sufficient.
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Morning!
hello, fdl folk…
what fresh, new hell hath the day brought?
VERY well said. Excellent post.
The President and his men undoubtedly knew this, but they ignored that
legalityreality, too.just tryin’ to help…
Just a suggestion: In articles like this substitute the word “illegal” for “unlawful”. “Unlawful” sounds unnecessarily legalistic and “illegal” has more visceral punch.
In the comment thread for the WaPo editorial demanding that Bush explain himself, rather than say “I’m not going to move this forward,” someone suggests that Bush shuld appoint a “Answering Tough Questions Czar.”
This is so funny that it will probably become policy.
Peachhead @ 4
“against the law” works too
“As much as any time in its history, the nation desperately needs an independent, honest, and effective Justice Department.”
Alberto Gonzales is none of these things. Keep the pressure on.
Good morning Scarecrow!
Hope folks here will SPOTLIGHT this to the media.
Bush is now the commander-in-chief, the decider (which sounds like an admission to me), and the stonewalling guy.
A jack of all trades and master of none.
Is McNulty on either of the Judiciary Committee’s ‘to-do’ list?
Don’t you worry that when the “no confidence” vote passes, if Gonzo resigns that that WILL be the end of it? I know you say it won’t, but I just have a feeling that, politically, the Repugs will say, “you got what you wanted, now let’s move on.” and the Dems in Congress might lay down.
After all of the reek and rot that we’ve had to sit through these past six years, it appears that this is the scandal that will actually have “wings” and will really take off… or so one hopes.
-MS
Gonzo ain’t gonna resign…
indeed, i expect his behavior to become more and more outrageous and bizarre…
his job now is to draw ALL the attention of the Congress onto himself, to MAKE Congress impeach him, thereby drawing away all the oxygen from other efforts to impeach cheney/bush.
any contemplated impeachment of gonzales would occupy the Congress’s attention through the rest of this year, and probably well into the primary season.
in a strange way, impeaching gonzales would actually benefit the GOPhascist fux because it would focus attention on one, relatively minor actor in the drama, and relieve the rest of the Busheviks, and not incidentally the aspirants to replace them, of the scrutiny they so richly deserve and so desperately need.
And he’ll be amply rewarded. One could expect dozens of “free Alberto funds to spring up, to be funded by donations from the wealthiest members of the GOPhascist inner circle.
“Oh, PLEEEASE DON’ FRO ME IN DAT DERE BRIAR PATCH”!@
No confidence doesn’t sound strong enough to me. Why don’t they just impeach the son of a bitch? That opens an investigation.
Good morning, all-
Scarecrow, did you see this?
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..t-illegal/
The hospital visit itself may have been illegal.
Excellent Post, Scarecrow!
Consigliere, indeed.
Looking forward to LHP’s post later today.
(h/t JS & corry342)
Also, ever get the sense that
the world is watching what We The People
are doing/will do to reclaim our government…?
The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that this “no confidence” vote is laying the groundwork for Gonzo’s impeachment.
It’s pretty clear he’s not gonna resign, and there’s plenty of evidence of his incompetent and possibly even criminal behavior. So, they are dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s along the way to kicking him out.
There is no way members of the Senate are going to accept being consistently lied to, especially in public. If nothing else, ego alone won’t allow that.
I think the fact that they went to the hospital at all clearly shows that they knew what they were doing was illegal. And they want to throw people out of this country who are here “illegally”. What a joke.
I hadn’t thought of that.
Is it possible that Gonzales and Card had, and that the paper they brought for Ashcroft to sign was backdated?
If so, would that be a crime, too?
we discussed this yesterday: the meme to keep hammering is how BUSH had his men try to end-run resistance in doj by coercing a man in a hospital bed.
keep laying this at BUSH’S feet. It will eventually stick.
i’m not opposed to congress moving to impeach gonzo, since i don’t think the investigation will siphon off energy that ought to be applied to Bush. if anything, the investigation will inform the electorate about just what kind of administration we’ve been toilingunder, and embolden members in congress to consider taking on the big bad boy george.
STTP in Ohio @ 18
As I understand it, you can’t impeach Gonzo, but it may be laying the framework for impeaching the president or VP.
Great post Scarecrow–very clearly stated so that even slow learners (aka rethugs) might actually get it. I read somewhere late last night (Josh’s place?) that Kit Bond has thrown Gonzo over too. That’s pretty big, given that he’s a giant kool-aid drinker.
Our crusty retired neighbor–a cranky lawyer–told mr. m. yesterday that Shrub must have gotten some legal advice from someone other than Darth/Gonzo on night of the 11th/morning of the 12th. He assumes that Card told Shrub that he’d better get Ted Olsen’s “independent” view on all this and that Olsen, even though I think he’s the devil, probably told him that the ADD/Yoo legal mumbo-jumbo was shaky at best and that he’d better agree to make some adjustments.
GeorgeSimian @ 12
That’s one reason for the post. I think it’s important that today’s WaPo editorial focuses on what the President did and its import and not on what Gonzales did. I don’t think anyone seriously believes, despite the Kate O’Beirn’s of the world who tried to claim on Hardball that “there’s no there there,” that Gonzales acted on his own.
We’re in the end game, and now the establishment is starting to talk about it. It’s still implicit, but will become explicit soon.
in a strange way, impeaching gonzales would actually benefit the GOPhascist fux because it would focus attention on one, relatively minor actor in the drama, and relieve the rest of the Busheviks, and not incidentally the aspirants to replace them, of the scrutiny they so richly deserve and so desperately need.
Agree, but the upside for Abu could be that he could join Mary Matalin’s list of her most admired heroes, currently consisting of GWB, the Veep, and Scooter Libby. Wolfie now seems to be on the verge of Matalin-canonization too.
I’d like to purge the Executive branch of the executive(s).
Good morning everyone. Well, it’s fall here in New England. Cold, wet, dreary day. Seems summer did not last as long as it usually does.
This is what brings me to FDL- GREAT post!
My wish would be for congress to push harder and more assertively. I hope John Dean is talking to those like Comey.
jayt@25
I changed the channel IMMEDIATELY when she started going on about her love for Darth et. al. Either that or destroy the TV set. That woman is pure evil.
Please tell me why it is not an indictable crime seeking to have an incapacitated Ashcroft sign a document which he had no authority to sign, essentially trying to force Ashcroft under duress to engage in an unauthorized act since he was not AG at the time. The signature would have been unbauthorized and a fraud. And who were the actors and conspirators to this crime?
g’ morning, pups… coffee is ready.
someone needs to take a sharpie pen and write “creepy” on Gonzo’s forehead.
Good morning, justice lovers. It’s a fact we desperately need an honest, independent, and effective Justice Department but Bush/Cheney are incapable of selecting anyone who would qualify to lead the way. What is needed is for Bush/Cheney to go, and their hoods with them. Congress is setting a deadly precedent by not ridding the government of them.
Should Gonzales vacate the DOJ, the Democrats will confirm whomever Bush nominates thinking anyone is better than Abu, and that’s so wrongheaded and no answer to the dilemma.
With this administration, things are never so bad they don’t get worse.
leftdcin72 @ 28
They didn’t care if it was an authorized and binding signature, only that they could later claim that they had gotten approval.
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs,
what is the matter with you damn hippies anyway ?!?!
Comey’s histrionics were about a spat btw WH & DOJ, over that ill-fitting FISA thingy
h/t allan in upstate
Oh look kidz, a contortionist!
comments are still open – why doncha just go over and apologize to the good professor? *g*
That about sums it up. Unfortunately the AG isn’t going to leave until Congress put a boot up his a** and kicks him out.
Scarecrow @ 27
It’s overcast and cool down here in DC also. Definitely Pacific NW weather and I’m loving it. I just wish I had shut the windows before I left home. Drat!
Scarecrow @ 22
I hope you’re right, Scarecrow. But I’ve been astonished (again) by the WH ability to spin itself out of almost anything.
This week the coverage in Iraq by everyone is right on the WH talking point – ie. the surge is working, we just need to wait, or we’ll abandon the hopes of the Iraqi people. I’m not sure people believe this shit, but the more they hear it, I’m sure the more they will.
Remember how they got out of this in the first place, by saying that the wiretapping was necessary for our safetly, and the Democrats backed down. They said torture was necessary, and the Democrats (and McCain) backed down.
mc @ 16
Thanks for the link. I guess if the DOJ attorneys who were denied clearances had been in the hospital, they would have received clearance to investigate the program?
TexBetsy @ 33
yeah but obtaining “approval” from someone you know is not authorized to give “approval” or who you know is acting under duress or who is not pumping on all eight, as was the case with Aschcroft, this conduct seems criminal to me.
i’ve been trying to figure out what was behind the washington post’s breathless “shocked, shocked” editorial about bush and the hospital bed, and finally figure that this cinematic misadventure has finally breached the very clubbiness we all despise about the beltway mob.
that is, comey is a member in good standing in all the d.c. elitists groupings: longtime doj, longtime washingtonian, longtime well-regarded. “He’s One of Us,” the lizard brains at the wapo finally blinked.
maybe this is truly a tipping point. maybe not. but i think that there are fewer and fewer barriers out there to moving ahead on impeachment.
let’s go over a little chronology here with abu torture and polish my nails a little bit for my prescience;
when we were first talking about the depravity of this man’s actions as ag, just about everyone said he’s be “resigned”
I said it’s not going to happen until absolutely necessary because once he’s “resigned” in shame every single decision he’s made is not only tainted by progressive points of view, they also become tainted by concervative perspective
his bizarre claims concerning the treaties we’ve entered and not being obligated, the ignorant statements about our constitution, habeas corpus, torture
ALL of those get revisited on his removal from office
this president has the “I better not admit being wrong” syndrome.
ya, it’s bad for him if he insists on keeping abu torture on but it’s worse for him if he “resigns” him
I personally think the president tries another round of digging his heals in and the neo fascists will actually applaud the decision
for instance, do you know skooter libby actually received a standing ovation from these fascists?
n Stephen Greens article “Serving Two Flags,Neocons, Israel and the Bush Administration” http://www.wrmea.com/archives/…..05020.html
Green reports that in 1978 Wolfowitz was investigated for providing to an Israeli government official, through an A*P*C intermediary, a classified document on the proposed sale of U.S. weapons to an Arab government. An inquiry was launched and dropped, however, and Wolfowitz continued to work at ACDA until 1980.
Most recently Wolfowitz made sure that Riza was issued a national security clearance to a foreign national.
Will congress launch an investigation of this?
Friends…James Comey is going to need a lot protection and public support.
Oh I agree that it’s criminal, but who would have pressed them on it? The press? The dems? No, they would have all taken “approval” at face value and called us partisan for questioning the legality at all.
As a lifelong Democrat, I never thought I would be longing for the return of traditional republicans, you know, the “balance the budget, get govt. out of our personal lives, respect the law” types.
Until “they” return, their party is in a world of hurt. The Neocon experiment has failed miserably, and 2008 is shaping up as an unmitigated disaster for them. They have absolutely nothing to run on.
Nothing.
Wolfowitz, Feith, Ledeen, Bryen, Perle’s security Clearnaces come into question in the past.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0207.html
Sally @ 32
I think Comey annointed Ted Olson in his testimony, by saying he had enormous respect for him and picking him as his witness for the showdown with Card.
I have had that thought a dozen or more times in the past 6 yrs. I’ll believe it’s the tipping point once these criminals are all out of office.
Okay, but I agree with the poster that stated that Gonzo’s job right now is to suck the life out of impeachment for Bush/Cheney.
I am tired of these two being insulated from their criminal deeds. We made Nixon accountable and frankly, I feel we have all participated in this when we fail to note that the commander in chief is responsible for all of this. He was resposible for the illegal wire taps and this discussion should not be limited to Gonzo. It must include his boss who clearly has stood beside him BECAUSE he knows he was the one who DIRECTED him. The same was true with ROVE in the libby case.
Why are we the people allowing the discussion to skirt the responsible parties?? Gonzo is small potatoes, it’s time to put the label on the whole Bush administration, just like occurred with Nixon.
The facts are there.
COMEY COMEY COMEY! THANK YOU!
STTP @ 43, they’ll run as “anti-Bush.”
STTP in Ohio @ 43
the scary thing is that they didn’t have anything to run on in 2000 either.
they’ve been bankrupt for a long time; now they’re merely a shell with an organizational structure and ballot line that any proptofascist can hijack with the right money and line of bullshite.
I kinda like the word “responsible”.
I think that the no confidence vote is an excellent tactic, as I think that the strategy is to force Gonzo to resign. There are a lot of good reasons to prefer this rather than an impeachment. Impeachment hearings will distract from other important investigations regarding this and other Bush admin malfeasance.
It is important to remember that Gonzo is not the point–rather Bush is.
It is obvious that Bush sent Card and Gonzo to a public hospital (unsecured location) to discuss classified info (they shouldn’t have even had the envelope in hand) which IS against the law.
FWIW–I think that Sampson has been singing like a bird. We don’t know who else has, and my sense is that Schumer, Leahy, Waxman and Conyers are holding their cards close, playing one only when the time is exactly right, as they did with Comey.
Goodling’s testimony will be bad news (I don’t think they would’ve immunized her unless she had something “big” to say) and I think the Ralston immunity deal (and Novak’s frantic attempt to contaminate it) is also a sign that at some point Gonzo will have to step down or face impeachment.
I don’t think that the Dems will initiate impeachment proceedings until they have such a damning case that a good portion of Rethugs from battleground states (as well as the few who do have some conscience) will have no choice but to go with the Dems on this. In the meantime, the investigatons will continue, both in public and behind the scenes.
It’s a game of chess, and the Pres has lost most of his pawns, a good portion of his other pieces and they are closing in on the Queen.(Rove). They just need to knock out a little more of the defense. Gonzo is not the prize. Bush is.
Good morning all. With diaries like this, who needs coffee…Is there any doubt now that it is a coup attempt?
Scarecrow @ 45, that’s my take, too, and Comey’s endorsement of Olson will go a long way with the Democrats despite the less favorable facts on Olson.
Scarecrow -
You’ve written an excellent post. I see one typographical error:
It brings tears to my eyes to think of Comey’s courage.
He said he’d been thinking of his answers for 3 years, anticipating that he would finally be asked what happened.
Why did it take us 3 years?
uh-oh. MSNBC reporting that “one American city” considering a “curfew” as a crime-stopping measure.
martial-law starter-kit.
I’d like to see McNulty and Miss Monika spill all the beans.
I didn’t get to see the entire Bush/Blair press conference. Did any of the other reporters follow-up on Kelly O’Donnell’s question?
WaPo Barf Bag (h/t)Ryane
GeorgeSimian @ 12
the democrats HAVE to come back with;
WHAT do you mean we got what WE wanted?
are you saying YOU wanted a man with that kind of depraved indiferance to the rule of law as the ag?
what you mean to say is we got what the constitution DEMANDED and I’m REPULSED that you might insinuate otherwise
now, we will CONTINUE to cleans the stench of depravity from public office, are you on board or NOT?
jayt @ 58
They were talking about that for New Haven juvies because of all the shootings. I’ve seen that city go through its ups and downs, but during ChimpCo it’s all gotten worse.
This is now all about staying out of jail for this bunch, that’s why Gonzo’s bullet riddled body stays in place until the last possible moment.
We have long ago shot past “legislative agenda for the last two years” and “presidential legacy”. We are now at “stay out of the pokey at all costs”.
If you look at it this way, you will cease to be amazed at the brazen things they do.
spinoza @ 22
I believe Gonzo can be impeached. I think it was LHP who clarified that for us.
Stephen Parrish, CPA — thanks; it’s fixed.
perris @ 60
They better come up with something. Because Rove/Bush/Repug will. They’ve probably written the script already.
good mornin’ scarecrow!
g/mornin’ pups!
Thank you for the great post, I’m still sitting here stunned, I can’t believe there aren’t people in the streets!
Here is a question–will Leahy & Conyers subpoena Andrew Card???? They have cause…it could really open up the floodgates. Better yet, would Card plead the 5th?
spinoza @ 5:41 am -
Since he’s a civil officer, he can face impeachment proceedings.
Woodhall Hollow @ 66
Card, Mueller & Mrs. Ashcroft, please
Lindy @ 64
I am not certain, but I am pretty sure that any official who has been confirmed by the Senate can be impeached. EG: Federal Judges.
a no confidence vote is the beginning of the end for Gonzales. he will be gone soon. on to Rove.
o/t – I don’t usually like to change the subject from Gonzo, but I really liked this from Krugman this morning in the NYT. I’m sure you’ve all read it, but…
http://select.nytimes.com/2007…..an.html?hp
TiredFed @ 73
It’s hard to believe he’s still sitting in office after all this!
Elliott @ 72
He’s Bushies buddy from way back. Of COURSE he is in office.
Lindy @ 65
John Dean’s article on impeachment of lower level officials so that they are unable to roll back into future administrations.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20061215.html
never forget the head of judiciary comm servived an attempted assination attempt w/ antrax.give him enough time he’ll do real good
tjb
According to Republicans this is NOT a crime but if Gonzales had put on a blue dress, gone to the hospital and had sex with Ashcroft — well, that would be different.
egregious @ 9
eg. how does one do that? I’ve never figured that out.
corry342 @ 6
I think the WH press corps should appoint a *Asking Tough Questions Czar*.
dmg @ 50
Very true!
The game was “get it close enough to steal”, and they did. Now, with sunlight on the DOJ, they don’t have that option anymore.
I’m not saying there isn’t lots of work to be done (there’s plenty) but they’re goin down in flames!
GeorgeSimian @ 12
they had better not – and we wont let them, will we pups?
Woodhall Hollow @ 52 – Nice analysis.
I like this. The political witch hunt that the Republicans went on in the 90s going after Clinton still leaves a bad taste in my mouth just like many others I’m sure. To avoid the perception of politicizing this whole process it’s really important to get a significant portion of the Republicans on board. We really don’t need this impeachment process to be drug out so that the opposition can go to the press and say that this Congress is forgoing important national business to go on a witch hunt.
Sally @ 55
Olson!
Hccch spit – for LS
What are the repercussions if the President deliberately ignores the OLC’s binding opinions? Since 9/11 the WH has been running slipshod with Wild West mentality and the constitution has been left bound and gagged in the outhouse.
Transcript
SCHUMER: … Mr. Comey, I just want to follow up on one final question….. The key point here is isn’t it the Office of Legal Counsel that makes a determination about whether something is within the law or not within the Justice Department?
COMEY: Yes. And its opinions are binding throughout the executive branch.
SCHUMER: And didn’t that office make a decision and advise you that what was attempting to be done was not within the law?
COMEY: The conclusion was that they could not find an adequate legal basis for…
SCHUMER: OK. Let’s put it that way.
COMEY: Yes.
I agree that WaPo article certainly is a refreshing change calling for accountability and for further inquiry and investigation into this egregious action…but there is one sentence in it that bugs me down toward the end of it. By having it in there it undermines the whole point of the editorial. Anyway it’s this one.
Under the Constitution, the president has the final authority in the executive branch to say what the law is.
What’s up with that???..He has the final authority to say what the law is…then if he says it’s the law, then I guess who are we to question it or him? And if that is the case, then why do we even need a Judicial or Congressional branch of gov’t? Why did he need DOJ to sign off on it if that is the case? Why does he need an OLC if that is the case? And lastly if that is truly the case, then why is WaPo having these concerns with his actions if the president is the final authority on what the law is?
jayt @ 11
McNulty is becoming more of an engima every day. He appears to be part insider, part boy scout (ala Comey and Fitz). I think Schumer has plans for McNulty (who after all was kept out of the “secret” delegation to Sampson and Delilah). Interesting times.
We’ve been focusing on the destruction of the careers of 9 USAs,
and we might have a tide-turning break on the wiretapping via Covey.
What about fighting this fight from yet another angle?
What about the regular joes who have been swept up in the dragnets?
The false positives?
The ones who’ve come face to face with einsatzgruppen in our towns and cities?
The ones who’ve been denied their 4th 6th & 8th Amendment rights?
Where are the civil rights lawyers willing to represent
a class action suit against the government, pro bono?
Lawyers frequent the Lake.
Have there been any discussions of this?
lastly,
Where is the real populist presidential candidate
who will run on restoring the lives of people
who’ve been terrorized here at home?
Shouldn’t someone be disbarring Gonzo? Isn’t that a simple little thing that could happen outside Congress? I mean, once you’ve broken the law, you can’t practice it, right? Am I way off here?
Sally @ 49
You’re right, as those of you that can stomach their debates have seen. Which, of course, is the same as having nothing.
TribeScribe @ 17
heck, even the redcoats are rooting for us. and quite a few expats in NZ and FRA (and even in Kansas).
Kathleen @77, thanks!
lisadawn82 @ 83
Eggzactly! The Dems (thankfully) learn a few things from the Clinton years, and one thing they will not do is allow themselves to have defend themselves from charges of a political witch hunt (Tony Snow and a few others have tried to plant that meme w/out much success).
No–when and if this Congress initiates impeachment proceedings, it will be for HIGH crimes and misdomeanors. They are not playing for fun, they are playing to win. Which is a good thing!
outoftheloop @ 20
more likely they had something for Ashcroft to sign that takes back his authority as AG or a get out of jail free letter from Bush. one or the other would have been necessary and easily done.
dmg @ 21
drip drip drip. soon it will be a flood that breaks the levies (apologies to NOLA and others).
Martha @ 23
” read somewhere late last night (Josh’s place?) that Kit Bond has thrown Gonzo over too. That’s pretty big, given that he’s a giant kool-aid drinker.”
Bond and Ashcroft have had a long friendship and political relationship here in Missouri. Bond is definitely a kool-aid drinker, but I anticipated that he would side with Ashcroft. I’ve never cared for either one of them politically, but I am glad that they are standing up to Bushie on this one.
Great post Scarecrow!
Lindy @ 65
John Dean wroted three articles on the impeachment of lower level officials so that that they are unable to roll back into future administrationsDavid Robinson @ 79
The “stains on a blue dress” scandal is the type of investigation that the Repubs get really excited over. They are willing to be stiff with penal ties for lies under oath about b/j’s. Lies about knocking out Republican prosecutors investigating crimes and Lies about WMD’s just do not stack up for them! Now they have “subpoena envy”. Serves them right that their priorties have been exposed!
Woodhall Hollow @ 93
this is also how things went for nixon: dems were quite cautious and civil in lining up whatever republican support they needed to press ahead on the house judiciary committee.
of course, that was back when there were men and women of honor on both sides of the aisle.
spinoza @ 22
oh you can definitely impeach Gonzales: The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
man I gotta stop comenting so I can get thru this thread and catch up!
Lou Costello @ 54
With this carefully laid plan why should they leave office?
cbl @ 34
Wow, Kmiec is sure a Bush apologist. Portraying the hospital visit as a simple disagreement over Presidential legal opinion. He goes on to admonish anyone who would be willing to resign over a simple disagreement over Presidential law as beign histrionic.
Uh, do you think Daddy Bush had anything to do with having Kmiec write this editorial? Kmiec was in fact a DAG and head of the OLC under Reagan and Bush 1. The apologists are out in full force.
We need Total Public Outrage before impeachment will ever happen.
TribeScribe @ 89
The ACLU has been pursuing these matters since day one.
Scarecrow @ 27
you mean that week in mid-July? wait for it. ;)cold and clammy here in Balto too.
martha @ 23
Hmm. Interesting perspective. I had been wondering why the Solicitor General hadn’t been subpoenaed immediately following Comey’s testimony, to provide his own perspective of what transpired. Your crusty neighbor’s impression may make it very worthwhile to press for Olsen’s testimony — but on the other hand, maybe Schumer and the rest of the SJC already know what Olsen will say, hence the no-show by Repugs at Comey’s hearing.
Which begs even more questions…did Olsen simply roll over for Bush et al, or has he helped with getting us to this point, bypassing greymail and other attempts to obstruct further investigation? He’s likely to be scrutinized closely; I hope he’s on the right side of this or he can forget ever thinking about a Justiceship.
BTW, FirePups…don’t you find it extremely amusing that they pulled out that harridan Matalin to do some rehab on not only her Dark Lord Cheney but the rest of the junta? Not good at all, they are f*cked and they know it.
The last time Matalin was making rounds was when Deadeye shot the old man in the face; bet you we see her again on more NBC programs as well as Sunday talking head circuit, just as she traveled post-Shooter.
I never thought I would see the day when the political center would be “law and order.”
The truth is that a lot of these people–like Ashcroft, I presume–have a much longer view of history, and realized that at some point that the facist hydra that Bush has tried to create in govt could at some point be turned against them. One thing to remember is that none of these men got to the positions they were in without a substantial appetite for power. Bush-Cheney was setting up a situation in which the only person who had any real power in the govt was the
FuhrerPres. That HAS to make some ambitious rethugs in Congress and in the Judiciary verrrry nervous. They didn’t fight to get where they are to become bat-boys.my too sense @ 87
Yeah, that’s just old Fred sticking the “unitary executive” theory into an otherwise helpful editorial. It’s the last line of defense against high crimes and misdemeanors. Or as Nixon said, “If the President does it, then it’s not illegal.”
Scarecrow @ 24
yes… and surprised the hell out of me – that this came from the wapo.
perris @ 40
did you know there were people who cheered JFK’s assasination? same crowd.
Katie Jensen @ 48
Concur. I know this is conspiracy thinking
but based on Gonzo’s thuggery with Ashcroft, it
lends credence to the unconfirmed report that
Gonzo visited Fitzy and perhaps that’s how
sealed v sealed came about?
With this carefully laid plan why should they leave office?
i have long believed they have no plans to ‘leave office.’
there is a lot of time between now and either Nov. 5, 2008…a LOT can happen…
Remember: “nobody ever anticipated terrorists would fly airliners into skyscrapers…”
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Katie Jensen @ 48
EXACTLY! Who sent Card and Gonzales to the hospital?? these guys are lackeys. it was either Bush or Cheney or both. get Card under oath!
the coup began with the legasy of reagan and this presidents father
the appointees of these men installed a man in office who was NOT elected, this was in no uncertain terms a bloodless coup
Thanks for another terrific post, Scarecrow. Spotlight material, for sure.
TiredFed @80 – the Spotlight feature is simple, very user friendly. Just click through spotlight at the bottom of the post, and you’ll come to a page that has three choices. There are lists of recipients – TV radio print media to choose, national or regional; then an opportunity to add your comment and preview, then click to send it all off.
Bay State Librul @ 110
Whoa! I hadn’t heard this one before. If that “unconfirmed report” did happen, then Fitz would’ve definitely gone to Comey about it. I wonder what else Comey has on Gonzo et al re Plamegate.
egregious @ 57
11/7/06. I’m only counting since then.
In any battle, you must assess your weapons, and your target…that is, if your intent is to WIN. Thus:
1. weapons: the only reliable weapon is Congressional investigation. Mr. Scarecrow’s idea of Special Prosecutor is of interest; but I don’t believe it’s a RELIABLE weapon. We got lucky with Fitz. I cannot guarantee such luck again.
2. targets: I’d blow off impeaching Abu. He is a roadblock; well-fortified, and will fight to the last man. GO AROUND Abu. The target is the WH. It always has been. Use your best weapon against the prime target.
Get ALL subpoena’s rolling right now. Rover, Miers, Card,….go right down the list. Get all those matters working and moving into the Court system. Right NOW.
As for no-confidence: a wonderful intellectual exercise. But nothing more. I’m ok with it; AS LONG AS Congress doesn’t take it’s eye off the main TARGET. Otherwise, a no-confidence thing sounds of Bob Shrum….wonderfully intellectual for the wine-sipping crowd, but not worth a tinker’s damn towards achieving the main target: the WH.
Remember, this is a FIGHT, a BATTLE, and my D teamers better start behaving thusly. We’ll never WIN by pansy-ass no confidence votes. We WIN by hauling the rogue’s gallery before Congress and putting them under oath. Don’t be afraid D team. It’s jump-off time. Let’s move out.
Ghostman
kathleen @ 96
If Gonzo did that, they would just say, “Clinton did it too.”
wgg: tokin librul @ 112
i have long believed they have no plans to ‘leave office.’
there is a lot of time between now and either Nov. 5, 2008…a LOT can happen…
Remember: “nobody ever anticipated terrorists would fly airliners into skyscrapers…”
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I thought I was crazy but I guess there are some others too!
I remember when law was not politics
Bravo Scarecrow!
FDL made a great choice bringing you onboard!
I think we have reached a tipping point, guys. When even WaPo can’t run from reality, the jig is up for the Bushies. Now we’ll see how bad things really are. How much will they resist. Will Nancy have to send her cops to bring them to the Capitol? Will they unleash some poison pill conputer virus on the loyal opposition? Can we expect new terrorist activity?
I understand the position the Congress is in. They want to clean house but they don’t want to be seen as overreaching. They want to appear fair, dispassionate and methodical. It is to their credit that this is the way they brought things to this point.
But because the lawlessness is so serious, pervasive and consequential to our government, they are going to have to summone up whatever intestinal fortitude they have and risk the political fallout to set things right.
It is worth the risk because right now, the game is rigged against them.
They need to have faith in the american people. The frenzied danse macabre that the country has been in since 9/11 is finally starting to lose energy. It’s time.
before I get EPU’d (hopelessly behind as usual), this is a request for Monica questions (ones you would like Conyers to ask). leave them here or on lhp’s next thread (which will probably be on topic) or at Marcy’s place TNH Monica Thread
Bush’s loyalty has to have a price – on Bush – and it doesn’t seem to have had one yet.
Bush stood behind Brownie.
Bush continues to stand behind Libby – a convicted felon.
Bush continues to stand behind Wolfie.
Bush stands behind Gonzo.
I’m sure there are others, but I think it’s safe to say that the President should not be allowed to endorse felons without criticism.
egregious@57
I know why the “hero” AG Comey waited three years to slowly unload his story: he’s now the senior counsel for Lockheed Martin, a main benefactor of government contracts( for better or for worse). You musn’t tarnish the Bushie Boy image until you find a soft place to land. Shame on Ashcroft for signing off on this illegality for three years, because he was “too preoccupied ” to actually read the wiretap UNlaw.His bedside reprieve shouldn’t make him whole either.
perris @ 62
perris – ever consider running for Congress? or maybe work as a Cong staffer? they sure could use you.
i don’t see how you can believe that, really…
they only fired eight or nine of the US attys…
that means there were/are 85 or so whose loyalty (and whose corruptability) they must surely trust…
they fired the ones they couldn’t trust…
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Rayne @ 106
I love your analysis, you have such good insight.
-and pulling Mary Harridan back out of the big swamp of wherever she lives.
oo she conjurs up images of pointy black hats, flying monkeys, and that cackling voice. which of course is not a vision but it sure hurts my ears.
mui @ 60
it was just on – Baltimore is the city in question. Not limited to juveniles – they want everybody off the streets, shut down bars and other business – the whole nine yards.
You call it a “Wednesday Night Massacre” but it seems more like a “Reverse Jessica Lynch”. Rather than sending in the army to free a captive medicated private, the administration instead sent thugs to capture a free, medicated (attorney) general.
Elliott @ 128
Cruella DeCarville as she was renamed a few weeks ago. And her husband Wormtongue.
wgg: tokin librul @ 112
i have long believed they have no plans to ‘leave office.’
We may have a real problem come the end of this term. perhaps we need a just-in-case-they-call-out-martial-law plan
via EmptyWheel, Marty Lederman asks a couple of excellent questions:
TiredFed @ 125
man, I would LOVE to get on the press staff of pelosi, feingold, murtha, waxman, and a host of progressives
as far as running myself, ya, I’ve thought of it but I’ve been an entertainer with too many exploitable skeletins in my closet but thanx for the compliment
OT but folks in Boston may want to raise a ruckus about this.
Woodhall Hollow @ 107
I wonder whether it’s really fascism that permeates their conceptions of governing; at times, I think that a more apt description of their modus operandi might be authoritarian anarchy – drowning the government in a bathtub, so to speak, and replacing it with what? Perhaps we will find other apt descriptions for their methodology.
I have two other observations:
I concur – but is it also possible that another situation could have been intended so as to allow the Vice President to act as a de facto prime minister?
When do you think they started becoming very nervous?
don’t kid yourself: the coup began on Nov 22, 1963…
it was almost thwarted by Congress in 1973. but Ford pardoned Nixon.
it was re-constituted when GHWB and Bill Casey met with the Iranians in Paris on August in 1980, to prevent Carter from freeing the hostages and accomplishing his ‘october surprise.’
it was made complete–with heart-breaking symmetry–on Nov. 22, 2000, when the Brooks Brothers Bown-shirts’ ‘white riot’ stopped the recount in Miami-Dade…
i have no sense and no confidence that they can be reversed now…
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this week’s podcast interview from george kenny’s electric politics looks especially good:
my bold.
p.s. if you’re not listening to george’s weekly podcast, you’re missing out.
my too sense @ 87
That was utter and complete bullsh*t, the excuse that Bush and Co. use to rationalize away the signing statements that are also bullsh*t.
Article II of the Constitution outlines the parameters of the Executive’s office, and nowhere in that Article is anything about the finality of the President’s authority.
He is charged to take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, not to reinterpret, not to limit or change or remake laws, only to prosecute laws as they have been established.
The ultimate authority on the law belongs to the only body that is authorized under the Constitution to make or remake laws — Congress, as the representative of the People. While the Judiciary may interpret, it cannot make new laws. Congress can make or change any law that constituents order.
What a bunch of bullsh*t from WaPo; they can’t even call for investigation and prosecution of wrongdoing without rolling over and giving a big, wet sloppy French kiss to the White House.
mc @ 16
Given that they had a command center set up in the room next door and the whole wing blocked off, my guess is that they were taking the necessary precautions to allow a conversation there. I could be wrong, but I don’t think that avenue will bring results.
perris @ 134
ooo. do tell! ;)
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I think the nervousness has been creeping up on them. Like when it became apparent that they were willing to throw good team players (like Ashcroft–who does have his own allies) under the bus.
When the got slaughtered in the last election.
As they watch Rove eat their own.
And even perhaps the unbelievable sloppy, careless and ineffective incompetance of BushCo. At some point it just becomes too embarrasing for the most shameless among them to contemplate (like Arlen).
Elliott @ 140
not famous or anything but locally well known, the tales they would exploit abound
thank you, thank you, thank you scarecrow for calling for abu al’s impeachment if he won’t resign. it pisses me the f*ck off when folks call for more investigations. investigate yes, but what abu alberto has done is simply beyond the pale and he needs to be held accountable NOW.
i am glad the dems are calling for a no confidence vote…..the dems fight back…..i may pass out in shock. of course, all of this (abu’s misconduct) was eminently forseeable, and if those in need of a “spinal transplant” had made a serious filibuster attempt then, you would have put these miscreants on notice. the sickness of the elected dems is they are wimps.
i think this is my first time posting here. i am a long time poster on steve gilliard’s blog. and recently digby. but, re wimps and fighters my favorite quote is from lenin or stalin and is prominenly displayed in grover norquist’s office. “if a bayonet encounters mush it keeps on going. if a bayonet encounters steel it is turned away.”
the wapo/compost reported the other day that 8 (eight!) officials were prepared to resign. ashcroft, comey, bobby threesticks mueller, probably a couple of chiefs of staff. who are they? inquiring minds want to know.
ask janet ashcroft who called her.
there are now 6 gop senators who say gonzo should resign. coleman is the latest. roberts implied it. hagel, sununu,coburn and mccain. and arlen spector, the gumless wonder, is making his usual tsk-tsk noises; have some more bananas and applesauce magic bullet arlen. and cong. putnam of fla., who, iirc, is the number 3 in the house gop, said gonzo should go.
we can help by calling our media. including the wash. bureaus of our regional paper, if they have one. also, our senators. to include any antediluvian troglodytes it is your sad lot to be afflicted with. (one suggested talking point: it is time for the congressional rethugs to vigorously exert some “adult leadership.” joke: “q. mr/ms. gop staffer, what is the difference between the bush/cheny administration and the boy scouts? (long pause.) a. the boy scouts have adult leadership.”) as raygun said, if you bring the heat, they’ll see the light. they need to realize w. is a millstone around the party’s neck. (that is another suggested talking point.) to paraphrase al davis of the oakland raiders, “self preservation baby, self preservation.”
five words i would start using: “a constitutional crisis is brewing.“
the no confidence vote will be interesting to see how many r’s join. and then will the dems immediately, repeat, immediately, (ie, not more than 3 days) move to impeach if gonzo doesn’t have the decency to resign. and if w. won’t fire/nudge him out. and btw, who hired all of these bozos anyway? (theme song for the bush/cheney maladministration: judy collins, “send in the clowns.”)
this week wolfie (cue the music baby: na na na, hey, hey good bye), next week gonzo……i’ll segue into my “apocolypse now” (movie about vietnam) robert duval mode now: “gawd, ah does love the smell of accountability in de morning”…..accountability = naplam for citizens……then onto holding cheney and bush accountable….because amongst other crimes, the rubberstamp fisa court was too much for these reprobates. just exactly WHO were they spying on? elected officials? “journalists”? diplomats? in my walter mitty world awol boy and deadeye dick are impeached by the end of june.
also there is the famous quote out there of bush’s about wiretaps and how they always went thru the court. he was campaigning. (maybe in upstate ny? buffalo?) that quote should, imho, be included in all future articles about this stuff. can anybody help track that puppy down? and post it here please.
from today’s nytimes in the article about bliar’s (bye bye poodle) and bush’s last rose garden press conference. in the lead sentence the reporter said “there was a moment…when the shouts of antiwar protestors gathered outside the gates of the white house threatened to drown out their (blair/bush) words.” …. gawd, i love it when the people are revolting. “this is what democracy sounds like.”… it’s been 6 long years. the tide is turning. digby, iirc, said they’re on the run now. let’s keep ‘em on the run. call your senators re the no confidence vote.
“it is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government.” tom paine.
Elliott @ 85, Olson would in no way be my choice to replace Abu. I doubt there is a Republic who would as a newly appointed AG shovel out their party’s dirt in the DOJ. That goes a long way in explaining why we are in the mess we’re in. I’m considering it took Comey three long years to “volunteer” information on this one episode and the other participants never have.
perris @ 143
Then move, dude. I need somebody to run for the MI-04 seat to give that corporate whore Dave “Rubber Stamp” Camp some hell.
From Wiki about disbarment. I think Gonzo is a prime candidate. He’s clearly lied under oath to Congress. That is all it takes. (Of course he’s done worse, but just for the sake of argument.)
the WaPo is the house organ of the DC establishment.
Repeat after me: In the Corporate State, ‘corporate’ media are State Media.
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perris @ 142
Are you gonna go for it and get yourself on the press staff “of pelosi, feingold, murtha, waxman, and a host of progressives?”
Woodhall Hollow @ 107
this is a point that needs full and frequent airing. this is where we will get Republican outrage in the Senate. Interesting to hear Bond may have sided with Ashcroft and against Gonzales.
STTP in Ohio @ 44
This has always been a lie. No republican Congress, Senate or President has ever submitted a budget smaller than the one the year before. Republican governments are consistently more intrusive than Democratic governments. The law is consistently used as something that applies to other people, selectively at that.
I saw Hitchens taking apart Falwell’s legacy on a couple of clips yesterday. It’s the same deal. These people play their constituents for suckers.
Great post!
I love the new term “Wednesday Night Ambush”.
I also like the notion of a wh press corps “Asking Tough Questions Czar”. Although, every time I think the WH does something that I think will enrage the press enough that they’ll start asking tough questions, I’m always disappointed at how they sit back and let the WH spin overtake what should be their natural journalistic instincts to look for the truth.
Question – I’ve been travelling and came home to a house without power, so I’ve been missing a bit of the news for the past few days. Has the Mainstream broadcast TV media been picking up on the new revelations of this story? I read something a day or two ago (I think from Media Matters) that said that only NBC was covering it, with ABC and CBS not even reporting it.
I also tried to explain this story to my spouse, and as I was a couple minutes into the explanation, he said, “Oh, this is old news. We knew that they visited Ashcroft in the hospital a while ago.” He was ready to tune it out, until I explained the mysterious call to Mrs. Ashcroft, the race to get to Ashcroft’s bedside, and how Abu Gonzo artfully avoided testifying about the domestic spying program that was in place before this Ashcroft showdown. He also was further intrigued about how Bush is refusing to answer questions about it. He now understands that whatever program was in place for the two years before the election was considered so highly illegal that Ashcroft and others were willing to resign en masse over it… and we cannot seem to find out exactly what the illegal program was. I hope that a good, consice explanation of what happened and why these new allegations are so shocking will be relayed to most Americans. We have something as bad or worse than Watergate that happened under our noses.
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Sally @ 144
I’m still stunned from what I heard from Comey
Off topic.
See what can happen if you are a good little poodle…..
Blair could be next World Bank president, says economist
Deborah Summers and agencies
Friday May 18, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
Tony Blair is a contender for the job of president of the World Bank, according to one of America’s most respected economists.
Joe Stiglitz, a Nobel prize-winning economist and former senior vice-president and chief economist at the World Bank, said the outgoing prime minister was in the frame for the high-profile role.
Downing Street declined to comment on the claim, adding: “There is a large amount of wild and, in the main, inaccurate speculation out there and it is not going to be wise for us to comment on any of it.”
However, Mr Stiglitz said of Mr Blair on BBC Radio 5: “He is one of the people that is clearly being discussed.
“I think it would be good for the institution at this juncture if they had somebody who was an economist who really understood what development was entailed and could work closely with the staff that has been very alienated by Paul Wolfowitz [the outgoing president] over the last two years and bring together the institution.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk…..66,00.html
Elliott @ 132
There is one tried and true way to rid ourselves of the neocons.. pay them off. In their fetid little world it’s all about the money, just check out Wolfie’s “resignation”.
Sally @ 145
John Danforth — for one.
And Comey has been under tremendous limitations to speak out, restricted by the DOJ whether he was in office or out, by the classified nature of the program, by the lack of a sympathetic majority in the Judiciary Committee, by other obstructions not immediately coming to mind. I don’t fault him; I fault us for not getting our game on in 2002 and 2004 to change the complexion of Congress’ makeup in time to stop this mess. Given that the man was ready to walk to stop this, I’m sure he had no problem with speaking out save for the same limitations that kept seated Senators from speaking out — and in one case, writing handwritten notes of protest to document their concerns, kept in an office safe.
As someone at ThinkProgress said in the comments, “Why not just put bars on the windows and convert the WH into a prison? ” Gotcha–and all at once.
quzi@97: thanks for the Missouri scoop. It makes good sense that Bond would ultimately support Ashcroft.
Rayne at multiple spots: you’ve got a much cooler head than I do re Matalin/Cruella–you’re right, she’s on another Darth/neocon rehab campaign, which is a sign that things aren’t looking good. She’s been quiet lately. She and Babs must have figured it was time.
As to the commenters who fault Comey for waiting 3 years–he couldn’t do a darn thing until this January and the Dems took control from the Rethugs. So, at least cut him a little slack.
1,519 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow and the Firepup Patriots:
“Short of armed overthrow of the government, it is hard to imagine a more insidious threat to our Constitution.”
Now, will those people who have been snickerin’ behind their hankies when some of us have used the word “junta” and “coup” to characterize this administration and how it came to power, please stand up and acknowledge the truth of their own experience? We live under the rule of a fascist junta fueled by the laundering of taxpayer’s money through corrupt politicians directly into the pockets of our ruling oligarchy. This fascist regime will not go quietly into that good night and the corporate oligarchy behind it will not fade out of public view as it did in the 1930’s and 40’s. Citizens have been disenfranchised, jailed and murdered, hundreds of thousands of people in sovereign countries have been killed and the history of our nation has finally caught up with with it’s citizenry who have been runnin away from it for 150 years.
There will be no peaceful transition of power and there will be no lawful purging of the criminals unless we the people make it happen. Wake up firepups, we learned the cost of stopping a war and getting rid of an elected criminal enterprise in the 1960’s and 70’s. We weren’t completely successful the last time but God in her infinite wisdom has given us one last chance ta get it right.
Nothing is gunna change from this moment on unless we mobilize mass direct action to cover for our pathetically fearful elected leadership. The violence that our country is responsible for inflicting on hundreds of thousands, indeed millions, in Central America, Africa and the Middle East has no justification and if we don’t rise up now, that violence will end the 200 year struggle for liberty which is our history.
If we don’t rise up and take our country back we don’t deserve the history our forefathers (and mothers) have given us.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BE AFRAID OF ‘EM ANY MORE!!
As our dear friends in Canada would say, “I give him Abut a month. No more, if it please the Queen.”
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jackie @ 153
They wouldn’t!
How about John Dean to replace Abu Gonzo? He’s got a lot of repug cred.
As of sometime yesterday, mediamatters.org reported that ABC and CBS had not reported on the Comey testimony re: Wednesday Night Ambush. Here’s a link.
I’m curious if these media orgs reported on it last night or today. I’m just getting my TV working again.
I don’t understand why they’d sit back and ignore this story (especially since it enables NBC to get a big scoop & headstart for broadcast news).
whooosh !
Shoot: Here’s the link I promised in my last post:
Mediamatters.org: ABC & CBS have not reported on Wednesday Night Ambush
wgg: tokin librul @ 127
Sunlight. That’s why I say it.
Thinking a few steps ahead, once Gonzo is out the domino’s will really begin to fall. His replacement will be under such scrutiny he/she will have to run a clean department.
That said, all the remaining AG’s should have to reapply for their jobs given the taint of this administration.
perris @ 134
well, you could send your well-turned thoughts to each of them. they have email. couldnt hurt to remind them what backbone can do for ya!
martha @ 159
Sorry martha, but HAH!!! Cooler head, indeed. My family’s lucky I didn’t catch that bitch on MSNBC this morning, would have thrown a solid object at the television.
And you missed last night at my house; my throat still feels a bit scratchy from yelling at my right-leaning spouse about politics.
Cooler. Head. Too. Funny!
I forgot about Babs, good thing you mentioned her name. Bet you she’s been working overtime to prep Little Miss Regent University Virginal Prom Queen for her testimony next week. Oh, I do hope Babs is in Room 2141 of Rayburn House Office Building at 10:15 am next Wednesday morning…that will be too delicious!
700030″>jackie @ 153
Too fricken funny! Doesn’t Bush know that Tony Blair is a LIBERAL? I mean they may as well appoint Clinton!
Morning, Scarecrow, and everybody. You’ve certainly been earning your keep sitting in for Christy. My one quibble is with this:
Didn’t he deviate into another lawless course?
Peachhead @ 5:
I agree. And how about, instead of unlawful, saying criminal. Or illicit. Illegitimate. Prohibitted. Lawbreaking. Banned. Against the law. Immoral. Gangsteresque. Iniquitous. Scandalous. Monsterous. Punishable. A hanging offense. Thuggish. Mobster-like.
Rayne @ 157, as I remember, Danforth was an active supporter of Thomas for the Supreme Court.
Jay @ 163
Plus the fack that he’s been POTUS’s lawyer, which of course is a tried-and-true path to becoming AG. He’d be a shoo-in, were it not for http://tinyurl.com/37dj2g . /snark
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Sally @ 173
Thomas will redound to the everlasting shame of every Democrat who voted to confirm him. And the George HW Bush, who appointed such an empty suit to replace a legend.
Rayne @ 169
That should really be a champagne hearing, does champagne go with popcorn?
martha @ 159
and guess what, it appears Schumer knew the story over a year ago, but was powerless to do anything about it until the Dems took over the Senate. Elections matter!
Under the U.S. Constitution, can the Attorney General be impeached? IIRC, the Constitution says that all “officers of the United States” can be impeached, but I’m not sure exactly who all that includes.
wildly coincidental this trip out of the underworld comes the day after Ms. Plame’s hearing in NY yesterday
Elliott @ 176
Strawberries & cream.
TiredFed @ 177
yes, the immortal words of Barabra Boxer
“ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES”
and at least w 2006, it’s POSITIVE consequences
as a matter of fact, that should be a reelection meme
why do I think this rumor of Blair being a possible nominee to head the World Bank is a load of hooey? A few reasons:
1. I can’t see Bush opening the door to appointing a non-American to the position. It’s always been headed by an American, and he wouldn’t want to bend to international pressure (which exists) to appoint a non-American. If others, particularly non-Americans suggest or demand it, he most certainly will not do it. He’ll want to make sure a trusted American who is pro-American policies will hold the job.
2. It sounds like a very speculative report. Very easy story to float, after the love-fest Blair and Bush had. I think it’s just a way for some reporter to get attention.
Man, with all of this testifying going on, I’ll bet there’s all kinds of meetings happening in the woods of Maryland and Virginia in the darkness of night to get the stories straight.
You know, like in “The Sopranos”
From LA Times editorial this morning: LINK
Mutant Poodle @ 180
a luxurious repast!
Wigwam @ 178
Constitution quoted at #100 above. Yes, the AG is a civil officer – generally anyone appointed by the Pres. and confirmed by the Senate.
Glad this story is seeing the light of day
Again
And I concur that elections matter
But this story was reported in the NYT in 2006
Just not so dramatically
STTP in Ohio @ 183
I’ll keep on the lookout for black eyes and limping aides.
Wigwam -
Impeachment – U.S. – wiki
anyone have questions they would like Monica to answer next week? leave them here for collection.
Mutant Poodle @ 175
Yes — and we’ve had this conversation here before about Danforth, including the commentary about Thomas as Justice.
Here are three articles that give some insight into Danforth’s mindset about the Republican Party:
NYT: Onward, Moderate Christian Soldiers
NYT: In the Name of Politics
WaPo: ‘St. Jack’ and the Bullies in the Pulpit
Keep in mind that we will NOT be able to seat a Dem as AG under this adminstration, that it will have to be a Republican, and that Ted Olsen is absolutely NOT an option, even if Comey vouches for him. Olsen allowed himself to be used shamelessly and often in the wake of 9/11; he’s not the ghoul that Giuliani is, but he is wound tightly into the machine and makes no obvious effort to unwind himself.
new thread gang
TiredFed @ 190
Who made you cry?
that assumes two facts not in evidence:
1) that gonzo is going to ‘fall.’
2) that anybody really wants a DoJ that works FOR the people…
i am just about certain that gonzales is not gonna resign… he may be ‘impeached,’ but that plays right into the hands of the Busheviks, because it will–as i mentioned above–suck all the oxygen out of any OTHER efforts to hold the Busheviks accountable…plus, it will give the rest the cover of an ‘on-going investigation’ behind which they may resist and reject any efforts at accountability.
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Rayne @ 191
and he was right there when the Supremes picked the President in 2000
“A special indepedent counsel should be appointed to investigate all of the abuses of and by DoJ.”
Who gets to appoint such? Can Congress do so by itself, or must such appointments be done by the Justice Department (which would make no sense in this case)?
Doesn’t all this beg the questions; What does Ashcroft have to say about this, and should Ashcroft be called to testify in the matter?
perris @ 143
Hmm, what’s worse, drinkin’, smokin’, and whorin’? Or torturing U.S. citizens, bragging about executing felons in Texas, shirking your duty to the Armed Forces, sending your top law enforcement officer and COS to shakedown a sedated/drugged man in the hospital, invading a country on false pretenses? Should I go on?
Perris, you ain’t got nuthin’ on W.
New Scarecrow upstairs
Elliott @ 193
good one. and why?
Woodhall Hollow @ 133
I don’t know the answer to (i), but (ii) is simple: Rove and Co. is incredibly sensitive to public perception, and having the “entire command structure of the Justice department” announce their resignation over an issue they can’t talk about would have put the mess on the front pages for weeks. It would have screwed up whatever other behind-the-curtain nonsense they were doing at the time, forced them to try to do damage control on a topic they couldn’t talk about either, and sent all the pundits into a great game of “what did they resign over?” that could have opened up other cans of worms.
The folks with concerns about the unnamed program probably recognized this, and the threat of mass resignations was their best (and almost only) weapon to make their point. I’m guessing that for years they’d been losing battles with the WH, and this is where they drew a line in the sand. My sense is that this came from the career side of DOJ who were tired of being marginalized, and when faced with a unified front, Ashcroft didn’t want to be the AG whose entire career team bailed en masse.
Even if POTUS has the final say, this was one of the rare times when RoveCo helped him to see that it’s not wise to push the issue. “Don’t worry, boss — let this one go and we’ll find other ways to exert your authority.”
Wigwam @ 196
good question. DOJ would appoint a special counsel (like Fitz) but in cases of impeachment, Congress can appoint its own prosecutor (no help from DOJ necessary). one more reason impeachment is a better option.
Rayne @ 191
Plus he lied about the Arkansas project in his confirmation hearing as Solicitor General.
Mutant Poodle @ 171
Didn’t he deviate into another lawless course?
Probably but we don’t really know what they’re doing. Warrantless surveillance outside the confines of FISA is a felony, a point that Greenwald and others keep hammering.
cbl @ 34
Thanks for the tip, CBL. It did my heart good to scan through the many, many pages of comments lambasting the “good professor,” with nary a Bushie coming to his defense. Granted, anyone who can refer to Comey’s testimony as “histrionic” presents an easy target, but it’s still good therapy.
mc @ 197
teh bold
New thread upstairs…
Way late tothe party, but Scarcrow ole’ bean, this hits it on the head.
I would add one tiney thing that seems tobe ebing overlooked by everybody.
Cheney.
Comey said Cheney had argued with him about the decision not to re-certify.
And Addington.
Cheney’s fingerprints are all over this.
wtf does no confidence mean? are you kidding me?
Comparing Abu G to a mob consigliere who have to be tough and smart as well as unprincipled insults all the mobbed up lawyers in the world. Abu is a cowardly toady who attached his lips to the boy king’s ass and has road it to the DoJ.
I’m sure I’m not the first to call him Fredo.
looseheadprop @ 208
verily. whose idea was the little domestic spying thing after all?
TiredFed @ 212
Ding!
Elliott @ 132
Yes.
i can confirm the sen. kit bond is among the gop senators calling for gonzo to resign. just got off the phone w his office.
It’s not suprising or important, but The Post offered op-ed space to Douglas Kmiec, this morning. The name might ring a bell with lawyers; he’s a fascist Pepperdine (i.e., Ken Starr) affiliated jurist/professor.
Anyway, if you can stomach it it’s titled “Testimony in a Teacup: What’s Overlooked in Comey’s Histrionics”. Aside from being viciously condescending, it’s weak, its argument consisting of two non-sequiturs — that old chestnut that “there was no crime” and that there could have been no ill motive behind the White House’s attempt to circumvent OLC (there is a war on!) — and the inevitable catch-all argument that if the President does it, it’s legal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01973.html
Here, meanwhile, is the post’s admirable editorial, “Caller Id”: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01974.html
klyde @ 210
Good point, but every gang needs one. We’re talking about the Bush/Cheney Family here, and maybe Gonzales fits in just fine. Remember: At the core it’s just a couple of drunks with a bike and a shotgun.
spinoza @ 22
Any Federal official, up to the Federal Judges, may be impeached.
Impeachment — it isn’t just for Presidents.
Hi Scarecrow,
This is probably EPU, but just wanted to say it’s posts like this one that brought me to FDL. Rock on.
Short of armed overthow of the government, it is hard to imagine a more insidious threat to our Constitution.
Now that is a provocative sentence construction. Have you considered changing the direct object?
Scarecrow:
Agreed – the key is to reach Bush, and not let it turn into a roasting of Gonzales – he is the diversion. Yesterday’s question of Bush regarding whether he ordered Card & Gonzales to go to the hospital was a small first step in maintaining this frame – I’d like to see it become A Few Good Men in the public’s eye:
Tom Cruise(Iglesias!) Did you order the Code Red (in the hospital room)?
Nicholson(Bush) – YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID!!!
This is how to battle the Kmiec meme about it being a disagreement among lawyers about dusty statutes, make Bush look like the lying bully he is. OT if he would order this, does anyone doubt he put the hit out on Valerie Plame?
Re wethornet’s post at 144 and peterr’s at 201:
I had thought that the Neocon/Permanent Republican Majority group was pushing the envelope to the extreme on every controversial legal issue. After reading a brief history of what the Stalinists were doing in Eastern European countries during the period of 1945-1947, I realize that I have been too kind. In that period, the Stalinists had to maintain an appearance of legality in order to achieve their goal of independence from Western interference. The communist parties did not have anything close to a majority so they worked to form coalition governments in the various eastern countries. As part of the coaiition government, they didn’t seek the highest office but sought control over important ministries like the Ministry of Justice so that they could provide the appearance of legality.
It looks more and more that the group at the White House is doing whatever they want regardless of the laws and is using the DOJ and the entire legal apparatus of the government to give their lawlessness the appearance of legality. Alberto had to become the Chief Legal Officer to remove pesky lawyers who would obstruct the group’s actions.
Perhaps it’s like nailing Capone for tax evasion, but I’d like to see Gonzales up before the Texas Bar Association for grossly unethical behavior. If he had his license stripped from him, it might be a problem for him to remain Attorney General. Small potatoes in the scheme of things, I know, but it’s important to attack wherever a weakness presents itself.
Bear with me. Gonzales was acting in his capacity as a lawyer when he tried to obtain Ashcroft’s signature in the hospital. He knew Ashcroft had been in ICU nearly a week, that he was recovering from major surgery, that he was on narcotic pain medication, and that Ashcroft was so weak the President himself had to cajole Mrs. Ashcroft into allowing Gonzales to see him.
Gonzales knew Ashcroft no longer had the powers of the AG, and that his signature as AG would be invalid. Gonzales also knew that before delegating his powers to Comey, he had expressly refused to give the requested signature, as had Comey after assuming authority as Acting AG. Comey was readily available to deal with any legitimate issues requiring the AG’s attention, and Gonzales refused to deal with him because he wouldn’t give Gonzales what he wanted.
Put that into the context of obtaining a legally necessary signature on a will, a house title document, a corporate merger agreement, a financial disclosure filed with the SEC, a certification to the EPA or FDA, hell, even certification of a pleading or receipt for service of process. If a notary public had acted that way, s/he would lose their license; a lawyer would certainly be subject to censure, suspension or loss of license.
Gonzo gets a pass? Why?
brendan @ 215
Marty Lederman effectively dismantles the Kmiec op ed. The link is next to Marty’s name in the post.
wethornet @ 214
That’s good news. Reports had six so far, but didn’t include Bond.
John H. Farr @ 219
I’d at least correct the typo, but if I had to write this again, I’d use a lot few words.
GeorgeSimian @ 124
Bush stands behind Rummy, Rice, “Kenny Boy” Lay. On Lay, a qualification, the elder Bush and James Baker attended Lay’s funeral. The President of the United States did not but the former President and former Secretary of State reportedly exited and entered through a side door of the church to avoid the photo op.
This is the leadership of this country coming out of Houston. It’s a goddamn national embarassment.
Scarecrow/Cristy/Jane and all who post here, thank you so much for these articles. It is good to realize others draw the same conclusions that I do. And thanks to all the commenters; your thoughts make this such a warm community effort.
But I don’t think you authors are writing just for the joy of seeing your words in print. I know you are trying to evoke some response from your readers – some palpable action. I don’t think I can sit here reading night after night and not DOING something as a citizen of this country.
We can suggest, urgently call for, demand that our elected officials in Congress do this or do that (investigate, subpoena, question, impeach, deny funding, legislate timelines to stop the war), but in the end are we not just fobbing off all action to that body?
I yearn for some organizing spirit, not just a chaos of protest, of angry words, of (some commenters) name calling – bottom line, we can all call/write/email our Senators/Congresspersons – I think we all agree that Gonzales does not have our confidence and should resign – but (and if any of you are privy to the workings of an official’s office, you know they literally weigh the mail – for and against) our demand must be specific.
I read lots of ideas (demanding resignation, Senators to hold “no confidence” vote, impeach the AG) but no consensus on which way to go. I suggest (for consensus and for the Senate):
#1 Vote no confidence; #2 If he resigns, be picky about the replacement, take your time, the world won’t come apart without an AG; #3 continue to hold hearings, continue to demand withdrawal from Iraq, continue to refuse to fund the war; #4 If he doesn’t resign, begin impeachment hearings for AGAG.
For the rest of us, make a loud noise clearly stating objections to the war, to all these scandals, to any new crazy initiatives by Bush, and read the Constitution of the United States.
Thomas Jefferson said, “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance”.