Wolfowitz out by June 30th!

zed

zed!

And a BIG HI Jane!!

Have the Poodles recovered from missing Trex?

I am, like, so totally bummed out by my lack of a zed that I am going to rewind this entire day. I shouldn’t have stopped to read the post.

P.S. I have hope for this judge, whatever his reputation may be. If he has any conscience at all, he knows that the Wilsons have a real valid point to make. As far as I know, she has no way to make a living as a veteran WMD – hunter, only because Cheney and minions took it ALL away from her.

We need to put this unitary executive theory to a vote at SCOTUS. US v. Nixon was the endgame of Watergate. US v. Bush and Cheney will either nip our budding fascism, or sound the starting gun. And I do mean “gun.”

President Bush himself said that revealing Plame’s identity could be illegal conduct and a firing offense, he told Bates.

So why doesn’t the press remember when he said that? Why doesn’t anyone re-play that? At least 500x a day

Glad thats setteled then .

The president is certainly above the law. Most perps of crimes against humanity (Iraq) are hunted down, arrested, and dealt with. Recall Saddam?

Sorry, but I’m missing how saying “you’re wife, who is was a covert CIA agent, sent you” contradicts Wilson’s findings after his wife, um , didn’t send him?

If the Judge swallows that one he should try flaming swords in Vegas next.

AZ Matt @ 1

Wolfowitz out by June 30th!

Another BushCo scumbag down.

Personally I don’t care what they may have had to agree to to get him out. It will be worth it.

Now, who’s next? Ah yes, Mr. Torture Guy.

Baby Balrog yet?

Who photoshopped a smile on Cheney? It is frightening.

So no one has any right to criticize government policy? I’d ask whose *ss that was pulled out of, but I’m afraid I already know the answer. (I think that if you can’t criticize government, you aren’t in a free country. Which throws that whole ‘terrorists hate us for our freedom’ shtick right into a trash can.)

I didn’t vote for a f*cking king.

“So you’re arguing there is nothing — absolutely nothing – these officials could have said to reporters that would have been beyond the scope of their employment [whether it was] true or false?,” U.S. District Judge John D. Bates asked.

“That’s true, your honor. Mr. Wilson was criticizing government policy,” said Jeffrey S. Bucholtz, Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department’s civil division. “These officials were responding to that criticism.”

Translation: Anyone who dares criticize us may be neutralized by any means necessary, true or untrue.

Jane: So Shooter thinks he’s above the law. Color me flabbergasted.

Shooter thinks facts don’t matter, either. Just as surprising.

Hi Balrog,
Which Torture Guy? Yoo, or Gonzales, or some others I’ve forgotten?

TexBetsy @ 12

Baby Balrog yet?

Nay.

Badwater @ 13

That isn’t a smile, that’s the voodoo dolls having more pins stuck in them.

Margot @ 16

Hi Balrog,
Which Torture Guy? Yoo, or Gonzales, or some others I’ve forgotten?

Let’s not forget 9.5 out of 10 Republican Presidential Candidates…McCain gets half credit because he rolled over for Bush on this.

Margot @ 16

Hi Balrog,
Which Torture Guy? Yoo, or Gonzales, or some others I’ve forgotten?

Gonzo. Idiot Al the Torture Guy, as Atrios calls him.

They all want to outsource torture to Jack Bauer, their hero.

What IS a zed?

What’s that saying my uncle used to say…..doesn’t this just chap your ass?

For me it started in the first paragraph:

Attorneys for Cheney and the other officials said any conversations they had about Plame with each other and reporters were part of their normal job duties because they were discussing foreign policy and engaging in an appropriate “policy dispute.” Cheney’s attorney went farther, arguing that Cheney is legally akin to the president because of his unique government role, and has absolute immunity from any lawsuit.

I’m sorry if Cheney were akin to the president, he would be the president. Ooops – I forgot.

And it was about here where I was tempted to start tearing out my hair:

“So you’re arguing there is nothing — absolutely nothing – these officials could have said to reporters that would have been beyond the scope of their employment [whether it was] true or false?,” U.S. District Judge John D. Bates asked.

I’m sorry – does this seem to run along the same lines as the Pope’s utterances or some kind of monarchial fuck? AND – does this mean, therefore, that they are then NEVER RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THEY FUCKING SAY!

[I’m sorry - can we use variations of ‘fuck’ here. I forget that, too.] :)

Balrog @ 20

Margot @ 16

Hi Balrog,
Which Torture Guy? Yoo, or Gonzales, or some others I’ve forgotten?

Gonzo. Idiot Al the Torture Guy, as Atrios calls him.

Make that Howie at DWT.

Yep. Cheney was, and is, just doing his job. Ask the 600,000 plus Iraqis who have died and those that perished in the most recent attack on Lebanon. I’m sure they’ll agree. Cheney’s responsibility goes way, way beyond Plame. Mr. Cheney is guilty of mass murder against humanity.

So about 3 weeks or so for the judge to decide today’s hearing? Then about that time Libby gets sentenced. Should be busy in early June.

Hey, dirty f**king hippies,
the Office of the Vice President is not part of the Executive Branch.

Get over it.

@ 22

[I’m sorry - can we use variations of ‘fuck’ here. I forget that, too.] :)

Various fuckery is common here.

“So you’re arguing there is nothing — absolutely nothing – these officials could have said to reporters that would have been beyond the scope of their employment [whether it was] true or false?,” U.S. District Judge John D. Bates asked.

“That’s true, your honor.

That would be a breathtaking assumption in any other Administration. In this one, it’s typical. It is why if we ever want to get out from under this miasma of stupidity and evil Bush and Cheney both need to be impeached and the whole top echelon of government removed ad indicted for their part in it.

Why is Darth represented by an attorney from the DOJ in a civil suit? Or is that a stupid question?

allan_in_upstate @ 26

Hey, dirty f**king hippies,
the Office of the Vice President is not part of the Executive Branch.

Get over it.

As claimed by Cheney. It’s a claim not made before and most likely never will be again once Cheney recedes back into the gloom.

“Mr. Wilson was criticizing government policy,” said Jeffrey S. Bucholtz, Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department’s civil division. “These officials were responding to that criticism.”

That sure is a novel definition of “responding”.

“Your policy is built on lies!”

“Oh yeah? Well, your wife’s a CIA agent! HA!”

Let’s all think positive thoughts for Joe & Valerie.

Dick Cheney is sure doing a good job of impersonating the Grim Reaper. He exudes the stink of death.

This is my favorite scandal, although I’m kind of really liking the USA one…is there something wrong with me?

Given enough time these guys will find a way to stay in office beyond this term. What worries me is we’re always several beats behind, finding out what Rove and Cheney were up to a year or more ago. We are little more than a minor annoyance to them.

With her investigative skills, I hope EW will put her mind to what she thinks these hoodlums are cooking up right now.

“That’s true, your honor. Mr. Wilson was criticizing government policy,” said Jeffrey S. Bucholtz, Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department’s civil division. “These officials were responding to that criticism.”

Is this or is this not, the most open admission to date that Cheney & Rove were directly responsible for outing Plame?

Eli, @ #31: That was hysterical!!

Dick Cheney Controls Tim Russert.

I hope there was a Waxman staffer in court today taking notes. This case has to be of interest to Henry.

Not really the defense used by Spiro Agnew, from what I can recall. But maybe that wasn’t a “policy” issue.

And I’m wondering why Al Gore, as the VP, couldn’t have just declared himself the winner of the 2000 election, and ignored the Supreme Court ruling. You know, since justice issues don’t apply to the executive branch and all. It would be an amusing (and cynical) real exercise to try to figure out how Gore’s seizure of the presidency could have worked, according to Cheney (and Addington’s) arguments. Start, of course, with national security and the USS Cole attack.

Shorter Dick:

“It’s not treason when the vice president does it.”

Balrog @ 23

Balrog @ 20

Gonzo. Idiot Al the Torture Guy, as Atrios calls him.

Make that Howie at DWT.

Gonzo and Bush do have sort of the same qualities, don’t they? Using “It wasn’t me, I’m too stupid” as a cover for evil deeds.

AZ Matt @ 38

I hope there was a Waxman staffer in court today taking notes. This case has to be of interest to Henry.

Thanks for the smile

Did anybody just hear Bay Buchanan going after Sen. Clinton? Wow. Bay is really, really slimy.

So are you, Lou Dobbs.

I doubt (unfortunately) that Plame/Wilson have the resources that Cheney has to fight and win civil litigation. This is a case for the ACLU, and pro-bono attorneys.

albert fall @ 41

Shorter Dick:

“It’s not treason when the vice president does it.”

“It stands treason that he is immune”

And Waxman is expecting information from Hayden at CIA this Friday.

Big Time could always declare “executive privilege” over his visits to the DC Madame. Even if they happened before he was Darth President, it’s all fine with Shooter.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 45

I doubt (unfortunately) that Plame/Wilson have the resources that Cheney has to fight and win civil litigation. This is a case for the ACLU, and pro-bono attorneys.

I donated to their legal support trust.

punaise @ 46

albert fall @ 41

Shorter Dick:

“It’s not treason when the vice president does it.”

“It stands treason that he is immune”

Is he immune because he got a shot?

What did Bay B. go after Clinton for?

I just followed a link to this pretty funny action item.

For a fresher democracy try ImpeachMINT!
Let your Congressional representatives know how you feel about Impeachment by sending them an ImpeachMINT!.

Anyone know about this group?

He’s got the cool , clear , eyes of a seeker of wisdom and truth . Oh I believe in you , Oh I believe in you .

Gotta stop that man. I’ve gotta stop that man cold , Or he’ll stop me.

HeirofPatriots @ 52

I just followed a link to this pretty funny action item.

For a fresher democracy try ImpeachMINT!
Let your Congressional representatives know how you feel about Impeachment by sending them an ImpeachMINT!.

Anyone know about this group?

I actually got some IndictMints for Christmas…

punaise @49 4:00pm

Know what? I think I will too.

The French Solution looks better with each passing day.

Is there such a thing as a slow news day anymore? Not with Bushco going down…

–Bush is confronted on Comey statement (hey, MSM is awake!), refuses to comment because of classified info.
–Wolfie resigns.
–Senate prepping no-confidence vote on Gonzo.
–Darth Cheney attorney makes legal argument that outing CIA agent is a proper response to policy criticism, and OVP is above the law in time of (endless, phoney) war.

Ho hum, business as usual.

Conyers and Nadler Write to AG Gonzales

May 17th, 2007 by Jesse Lee

Today, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers and Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Subcommittee Chairman Jerrold Nadler sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales urgently requesting answers to specific questions as well as greater access to information on the NSA’s domestic wiretapping program, in light of new revelations from Deputy Attorney General James Comey’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Comey described, in great detail, former White House Counsel Gonzales’ attempt to override Justice Department recommendations not to re-certify the program.

The letter asks for responses to the following questions:

1) Is Mr. Comey’s testimony about the events of March, 2004 as provided this week to the Senate Judiciary Committee (a copy of which is enclosed with this letter) accurate and, if not, please explain your version of what happened; 2) Was the classified program referred to by Mr. Comey the Terrorist Surveillance Program, as it existed prior to the changes made according to the Justice Department’s recommendations and, if not, what was the classified program that Mr. Comey was referring to? 3) Who was involved in deciding to seek approval from Attorney General Ashcroft from his hospital bed and who made the telephone call to arrange your visit to his bedside; 4) What was the basis for the Administration’s decision on March 10-11 to continue with the program despite the Department’s objections, how long did it so continue. Please provide copies of any legal or other memoranda on the subject; 5) What was the basis for the Department’s objections to the program. Please provide copies of any Office of Legal Counsel or other documents relating to those objections; and 6) What changes were made to the program to resolve the Department’s objections?

…

Conyers-Nadler letter

Jane, color me astonished that you are colored flabbergasted. Okay, I know you were kidding, but… this is exactly what Cheney has been leading up to for the past six years. According to his theory of the Constitution, he and Bush are at this very moment omnipotent dictators of essentially the whole world, but in particular of the U.S. and its protectorates and possessions and embassies and war zones and, of course, Guantanamo and outer space and the oceans out to N hundreds of miles, where N = whatever Cheney says it is.

If you have any questions, please ask Tony Snow. He will dodge them with a special flair all his own.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 51

What did Bay B. go after Clinton for?

You name it. The lowest point was that HRC is “insecure” and Bay “documented it” in her book. She’s peddling a book she wrote, apparently. Trying to scrape some dimes off the lowest common denominator.

Dover Bitch @ 44

Did anybody just hear Bay Buchanan going after Sen. Clinton? Wow. Bay is really, really slimy.

So are you, Lou Dobbs.

my favorite buchanan talking point is very simple. she and her brother pat were able to take over the Perot party in 2000 and (aside from being the pawn in the butterfly ballots that allowed Jeb to hand chimpy the presidency) loot the fat amount of money they got in matching funds from the government. almost all of it was paid to bay for “consulting services” and went offshore real fast. the “morals” of the buchanans are certainly such as to allow them plenty of room to criticize others….NOT!

OT: Oh crikey – someone just came in & said, Wolfowitz has agreed to leave the World Bank at the end of June. Pretty adamant about that $400K wasn’t he?

Wolfie (Wolf Blitzer) talking about Wolfie (Wolfowitz) on CNN. Self-referential!

Cheney’s attorney went farther, arguing that Cheney is legally akin to the president because of his unique government role, and has absolute immunity from any lawsuit.

Tsk tsk, how soon they forget! After all, it was only a few years ago that it was decided that a sitting President could, indeed, be sued.

Of course, he was a Democrat. That changes things, you know.

It’s high crime you said that…

@ 62

OT: Oh crikey – someone just came in & said, Wolfowitz has agreed to leave the World Bank at the end of June. Pretty adamant about that $400K wasn’t he?

If the World Bank has anyone smart there, they’ll make sure to pay him in Confederate Currency.

Republicans: Understand this. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee of my party I will support the Senator.

Ooops, me at 65,

I was trying to quote Punaise…my quote function is dysabled, much like the administration’s.

If you’re not listening to Lew Koch, Glenn Greenwald is about to be on here with Laurence Tribe and Bruce Fein.

Eli @ 31

“Mr. Wilson was criticizing government policy,” said Jeffrey S. Bucholtz, Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department’s civil division. “These officials were responding to that criticism.”

That sure is a novel definition of “responding”.

“Your policy is built on lies!”

“Oh yeah? Well, your wife’s a CIA agent! HA!”

It’s getting to be like Stalinist Russia. They responded to their critics too, usually by shooting them.

@ 62

OT: Oh crikey – someone just came in & said, Wolfowitz has agreed to leave the World Bank at the end of June. Pretty adamant about that $400K wasn’t he?

and he got the board to “accept” he was honest, upright, decent and true. honest. would he lie?

what has always fascinated me about these types is their obsession with public condemnation, particularly official condemnation. i suspect this is an essential element of their continual “reinventing themselves” game plan….

I bet Spiro Agnew wished he’d said what Cheney said.

schumer to tweety: something is rotten in the state of denmark.

LOL

My fav movie of all time: Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead

hey jane — here is the
court-approved schedule of
argument times, and topics,
on the plame-wilson suit
from this morning, in an
easy-view image format. . .

much more shortly, on that,
over there — i’ve also added
some video (1 min 14 sec.)
related to the conyers-nadler
letter AZ matt mentioned just
above. . . see the later posts, for it. . .

excellent shooter’s-lunacy-rundown!

punaise @ 46

albert fall @ 41

Shorter Dick:

“It’s not treason when the vice president does it.”

“It stands treason that he is immune”

Insert sound of applause here

“So you’re arguing there is nothing — absolutely nothing – these officials could have said to reporters that would have been beyond the scope of their employment [whether it was] true or false?,” U.S. District Judge John D. Bates asked.

“That’s true, your honor.

There comes a point where my imagination fails and I lose the ability to do anything but wave my hands and make distressed noises. I really, really don’t get it. This gang violates so brazenly and absolutely the basic concept of checks and balances and the rule of law that underpin the structure of our government.

I really don’t get why they’re still in office. Really.

::flail::

Alfred Kelgarries @ 71

@ 62

OT: Oh crikey – someone just came in & said, Wolfowitz has agreed to leave the World Bank at the end of June. Pretty adamant about that $400K wasn’t he?

and he got the board to “accept” he was honest, upright, decent and true. honest. would he lie?

what has always fascinated me about these types is their obsession with public condemnation, particularly official condemnation. i suspect this is an essential element of their continual “reinventing themselves” game plan….

Exactly – that’s what my work mate said. I mean, we won’t forget about Wolfowitz and his laundry list of sins so what’s with the “good faith” assignment. As for their public condemnation, what about dragging out this shit day-after-day-afer-day. I don’t get how they don’t get THAT’S public condemenation/shame.

do-si-do @ 72

I bet Spiro Agnew wished he’d said what Cheney said.

Isn’t Spiro “in a better place?”

Eli @ 54
I actually got some IndictMints for Christmas…

That’s pretty funny but they’re missing King George in a can.

jane_jericho @ 76

I really don’t get why they’re still in office. Really.

::flail::

It would be comical if it were not real.

thanks all … I just saw this article and was blowing steam out of my head … hoped over here to see if anyone was discussing. and of course, there’s a whole thread.

it is just astonishing that they’re willing to make these kinds of claims. and that anyone does anything other than just laugh out loud. no one could take this seriously … except it is very serious …

jane_jerico @ 76, and the judge needs weeks to think it over? Good grief.

@ 77

Alfred Kelgarries @ 71

and he got the board to “accept” he was honest, upright, decent and true. honest. would he lie?

what has always fascinated me about these types is their obsession with public condemnation, particularly official condemnation. i suspect this is an essential element of their continual “reinventing themselves” game plan….

Exactly – that’s what my work mate said. I mean, we won’t forget about Wolfowitz and his laundry list of sins so what’s with the “good faith” assignment. As for their public condemnation, what about dragging out this shit day-after-day-afer-day. I don’t get how they don’t get THAT’S public condemenation/shame.

the only thing i can think of comes from my years in govmint slaver—service that’s it,service! :) the rule was, if you did something good, make sure to have your boss WRITE IT DOWN, and if you did something bad, make sure your boss DIDIN’T WRITE IT DOWN. why? because a year or two years later, when review time came for a step increase, a better job/promo, or even just keeping a good job when somebody wanted to give to their “special friend”, if it WASN’T WRITTEN DOWN IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. i think all beauracracies work this way; the msm simply piggybacks off of it.

A (not very) hypthetical example:

“well, yes, wolf, there was a lot of “noise on the left wing blogs back then”, but remember the bank’s board said in accepting his resignation “they accepted he was totally honest.” and they were the people in a position to know at the time. So i really think the democrat party’s fuss over his being appointed secretary of the treasury is just beltway spin…”

you watch. that’s how it will happen…

ccmask @ 34

This is my favorite scandal, although I’m kind of really liking the USA one…is there something wrong with me?

Oh, not at all. Personally, though, the Ashcroft in the Hospital scandal is almost more fun than the USAttorney business, except that the USA scandal involves so many corrupt republicans! Hard to choose. I’m sure the best is yet to come.

GOP: I’m fairly certain you have your little elfs watching this blog. And speaking for (myself only) this non-ardent backer of Senator Clinton for our next president, should Clinton receive the nomination, I will do everything I possibly can do to help her win the general election.

Badwater @ 30

allan_in_upstate @ 26

Hey, dirty f**king hippies,
the Office of the Vice President is not part of the Executive Branch.

Get over it.

As claimed by Cheney. It’s a claim not made before and most likely never will be again once Cheney recedes back into the gloom.

actually, within the confines of the Wilson suit, it’s an admission against interest, and undermines Cheney’s claim of executive privilege.

Whether the actions alleged against the defendants fall withing the scope of their employment should properly be considered to be a question of fact for jury’s determination, precluding the dismissal of the suit at this point.

Loo Hoo. @ 84

Oh, not at all. Personally, though, the Ashcroft in the Hospital scandal is almost more fun than the USAttorney business, except that the USA scandal involves so many corrupt republicans! Hard to choose. I’m sure the best is yet to come.

The hospital confrontation may be impossible to top in terms of sheer imagery. It’s like the anti-flightsuit.

Dover Bitch @ 69

If you’re not listening to Lew Koch, Glenn Greenwald is about to be on here with Laurence Tribe and Bruce Fein.

I’m Pacific Northwest AND I’m at work, um, doing paperwork (yeah! That’s it! ) Is there a podcast?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 84

GOP: I’m fairly certain you have your little elfs watching this blog. And speaking for (myself only) this non-ardent backer of Senator Clinton for our next president, should Clinton receive the nomination, I will do everything I possibly can do to help her win the general election.

Me too.

tw3k @ 73

schumer to tweety: something is rotten in the state of denmark.

LOL

My fav movie of all time: Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead

Oh yeah, Tom Stoppard, eminently quotable in these times. He might have written these lines for Bush & Gonzales:

Guildenstern- I’m afraid it isn’t our day.
Rosencrantz- I’m afraid it is.

Dover Bitch @ 44

Did anybody just hear Bay Buchanan going after Sen. Clinton? Wow. Bay is really, really slimy.

So are you, Lou Dobbs.

What happened?

Loo Hoo. @ 84

ccmask @ 34

This is my favorite scandal, although I’m kind of really liking the USA one…is there something wrong with me?

Oh, not at all. Personally, though, the Ashcroft in the Hospital scandal is almost more fun than the USAttorney business, except that the USA scandal involves so many corrupt republicans! Hard to choose. I’m sure the best is yet to come.

But, but… Ashcroft in the hospital is the USA scandal.

They’re overlapping.

The Unitary (Vice) Presidency. I think it’s great that Waxman and Conyers and Leahy and Schumer are attempting to hold BushCo to the fire but they won’t take the necessary leap, so they’re a bit like terriers nipping around a larger animal. The leap? Inherent Contempt. I guess I want some action. I want to see a confrontation where things get decided spectacularly. All this waiting around leaves me impatient. Impeachment, of course, another possibility. But while the power is there for Inherent Contempt, the votes are not there for Impeachment. I can think of nothing finer than to see members of BushCo marched out of their offices in shackles by the Capitol police,

jayt @ 86

Badwater @ 30

As claimed by Cheney. It’s a claim not made before and most likely never will be again once Cheney recedes back into the gloom.

actually, within the confines of the Wilson suit, it’s an admission against interest, and undermines Cheney’s claim of executive privilege.

Ah, but Cheney has double super secret unitary executive privilege.

I learned that from John Yoo in my ConLaw class at Berkeley

“any conversations they had about Plame with each other and reporters were part of their normal job duties because they were discussing foreign policy and engaging in an appropriate “policy dispute.”

My, my. Stunning. So, according to Cheney, he can reveal identities of covert agents, discuss nuclear codes, talk about otherwise classified technology capabilities, disclose military capabilities, disclose troop placements, and….the list is endless. “Normally”, such would be considered treasonous. But as long as Cheney says “it’s all about policy”, he gets a pass? Absolutely stunning.

Ghostman

Ian @ 94

The Unitary (Vice) Presidency. I think it’s great that Waxman and Conyers and Leahy and Schumer are attempting to hold BushCo to the fire but they won’t take the necessary leap, so they’re a bit like terriers nipping around a larger animal. The leap? Inherent Contempt. I guess I want some action. I want to see a confrontation where things get decided spectacularly. All this waiting around leaves me impatient. Impeachment, of course, another possibility. But while the power is there for Inherent Contempt, the votes are not there for Impeachment. I can think of nothing finer than to see members of BushCo marched out of their offices in shackles by the Capitol police,

If the roles were reversed, the Republicans would have shelled the White House by now.

Alfred Kelgarries @ 83

the only thing i can think of comes from my years in govmint slaver—service that’s it,service! :) the rule was, if you did something good, make sure to have your boss WRITE IT DOWN, and if you did something bad, make sure your boss DIDIN’T WRITE IT DOWN. why? because a year or two years later, when review time came for a step increase, a better job/promo, or even just keeping a good job when somebody wanted to give to their “special friend”, if it WASN’T WRITTEN DOWN IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. i think all beauracracies work this way; the msm simply piggybacks off of it.

A (not very) hypthetical example:

“well, yes, wolf, there was a lot of “noise on the left wing blogs back then”, but remember the bank’s board said in accepting his resignation “they accepted he was totally honest.” and they were the people in a position to know at the time. So i really think the democrat party’s fuss over his being appointed secretary of the treasury is just beltway spin…”

you watch. that’s how it will happen…

You know what – I understand perfectly. That does not, however, mean it makes perfect sense to me. It’s not how I work, but hey – I’m not ‘in a bureacracy.’

And what did Mrs. Wilson have to do with their “policy dispute” which allowed them to disclose her NOC status? Oh, yeah, she was married to the man who called them on their lies. What a bunch of snakes.

@ 88

Dover Bitch @ 69

If you’re not listening to Lew Koch, Glenn Greenwald is about to be on here with Laurence Tribe and Bruce Fein.

I’m Pacific Northwest AND I’m at work, um, doing paperwork (yeah! That’s it! ) Is there a podcast?

There will be when it’s over. I’m certain Glenn will post the link. If not, I think the link I added will have it.

Glenn just gave an overview of Comey’s testimony. Laurence Tribe is giving Gonzales and the administration a serious, serious smackdown. I can’t wait to hear Fein, who has been a real hero to me in this entire topic since the NY Times revealed the existence of the illegal program.

@ 98

Alfred Kelgarries @ 83

the only thing i can think of comes from my years in govmint slaver—service that’s it,service! :) the rule was, if you did something good, make sure to have your boss WRITE IT DOWN, and if you did something bad, make sure your boss DIDIN’T WRITE IT DOWN. why? because a year or two years later, when review time came for a step increase, a better job/promo, or even just keeping a good job when somebody wanted to give to their “special friend”, if it WASN’T WRITTEN DOWN IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. i think all beauracracies work this way; the msm simply piggybacks off of it.

A (not very) hypthetical example:

“well, yes, wolf, there was a lot of “noise on the left wing blogs back then”, but remember the bank’s board said in accepting his resignation “they accepted he was totally honest.” and they were the people in a position to know at the time. So i really think the democrat party’s fuss over his being appointed secretary of the treasury is just beltway spin…”

you watch. that’s how it will happen…

You know what – I understand perfectly. That does not, however, mean it makes perfect sense to me. It’s not how I work, but hey – I’m not ‘in a bureacracy.’

Thankfully, my management does not need anything in writing to value me. But I can certainly see Alfred’s scenario playing out.

So, if Cheney murders someone who critisizes him, it’s legal because of his UNIQUE position?

@ 98

Alfred Kelgarries @ 83

the only thing i can think of comes from my years in govmint slaver—service that’s it,service! :) the rule was, if you did something good, make sure to have your boss WRITE IT DOWN, and if you did something bad, make sure your boss DIDIN’T WRITE IT DOWN. why? because a year or two years later, when review time came for a step increase, a better job/promo, or even just keeping a good job when somebody wanted to give to their “special friend”, if it WASN’T WRITTEN DOWN IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. i think all beauracracies work this way; the msm simply piggybacks off of it.

A (not very) hypthetical example:

“well, yes, wolf, there was a lot of “noise on the left wing blogs back then”, but remember the bank’s board said in accepting his resignation “they accepted he was totally honest.” and they were the people in a position to know at the time. So i really think the democrat party’s fuss over his being appointed secretary of the treasury is just beltway spin…”

you watch. that’s how it will happen…

You know what – I understand perfectly. That does not, however, mean it makes perfect sense to me. It’s not how I work, but hey – I’m not ‘in a bureacracy.’

you are:

a) still in school?
b) independently wealthy?
c) run your own business?
d) any combination of the above?

damm few of us can make that lovely statement…:(:(

Duncan Hunter on Hardball stressing the importance of the Iraqi army. And yet I recall recently reading the pentagon no longer considers training the Iraqi army a priority..

If you disagree with this administration you are the enemy. Since 2000, he has not given the “enemy” a thing.

Eli @ 97

If the roles were reversed, the Republicans would have shelled the White House by now.

You’re right but I get tired of this if the roles were reversed stuff. The Democrats are too nice, to worried about offending anyone. Meanwhile the republic is sliding away. Same goes for this nonsense at Bush’s presser today. He doesn’t answer the question about Ashcroft in the hospital and the press lets it go. Where is that someone who will say, I’m sorry Mr. Bush, but that answer is not sufficient. We demand an answer. The American People demand an answer.

Eureka Springs @ 104

Duncan Hunter on Hardball stressing the importance of the Iraqi army. And yet I recall recently reading the pentagon no longer considers training the Iraqi army a priority..

Kinda like training all of your neighbor kids how to steal cars when you own a Vette yourself at this point.

if anyone had any doubts about lovely annie of the coulter(geist), i thot i’d share a little tidbit from her blog (courtesy of wonkette):

There have always been colored people — even in the prelapsarian ’50s that Jerry Falwell and I would like to return to, when God protected America from everything but ourselves.

What Falwell was referring to are the black activists — the ones who kept sitting at lunch counters where they clearly weren’t welcome, blamed Wallace for segregation, and keep trying to teach small schoolchildren about “busing.”

if there is any justice, ann will be reincarnated as a black woman in chareston south carolina in 1932; that will make her 18 in her “beloved 1950’s”. i’m sure she’ll enjoy it…:>:>

Can you imagine actually getting punked by the likes of GWB? That has to take some other kind of idiot (Blair).

Appearing at a joint press conference at the White House, Mr Bush was asked if he was responsible for the end of Mr Blair’s premiership.

He said: “I could be”, before saying he would work with his successor Gordon Brown, adding he was a “good fella”.

At their last joint press conference in Washington on Thursday, the two leaders heaped praise on each other and re-affirmed their relationship.

Mr Blair said he admired Mr Bush “as a president and I regard him as a friend”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_…..666897.stm

Marie Roget @ 90

tw3k @ 73

Oh yeah, Tom Stoppard, eminently quotable in these times. He might have written these lines for Bush & Gonzales:

Guildenstern- I’m afraid it isn’t our day.
Rosencrantz- I’m afraid it is.

sure is:

The Players: We’re actors! We’re the opposite of people!

more

Ian @ 105

Eli @ 97

If the roles were reversed, the Republicans would have shelled the White House by now.

You’re right but I get tired of this if the roles were reversed stuff. The Democrats are too nice, to worried about offending anyone. Meanwhile the republic is sliding away. Same goes for this nonsense at Bush’s presser today. He doesn’t answer the question about Ashcroft in the hospital and the press lets it go. Where is that someone who will say, I’m sorry Mr. Bush, but that answer is not sufficient. We demand an answer. The American People demand an answer.

Yes!

Diane @ 32

Let’s all think positive thoughts for Joe & Valerie.

I am so glad to get back to our beginnings. We have be best legal commenters in the business, bar none. Let’s bring it.

While we’re on the general topic of batsh*t crazy police state wingnuts,
here is a list of the groups surveilled by the NYC police in
the run up to the 2004 Nuremburg rally Republican convention.

A few gems:

New York Civil Liberties Union

Billionaires for Bush

Syracuse Peace Council [ go Upstate!]

Planned Parenthood Federation of America

Eureka Springs @ 104

Duncan Hunter on Hardball stressing the importance of the Iraqi army. And yet I recall recently reading the pentagon no longer considers training the Iraqi army a priority..

The view here is the only Iraqi priority is oil. ;0)

“any conversations they had about Plame with each other and reporters were part of their normal job duties because they were discussing foreign policy and engaging in an appropriate “policy dispute.”

at the time, they were calling it “hardball politics”.

But there’s no privilege to be found there, so today they called it something else.

Ian @ 106

You’re right but I get tired of this if the roles were reversed stuff. The Democrats are too nice, to worried about offending anyone. Meanwhile the republic is sliding away. Same goes for this nonsense at Bush’s presser today. He doesn’t answer the question about Ashcroft in the hospital and the press lets it go. Where is that someone who will say, I’m sorry Mr. Bush, but that answer is not sufficient. We demand an answer. The American People demand an answer.

Unfortunately, you go to war with the party and media you have…

I’m disgusted with the Democrats’ lameness on the war, and lobbying reform, and Rahm’s Top Secret Trade Deal, but we don’t have any other viable options. We’re working on reforming the party from within, and holding their feet to the fire when they fuck up, but we still don’t have nearly the clout of corporate donors or Beltway pundits.

And as for the media, I think all we can really do about them is to provide an alternative and act as their conscience. As long as they are corporate-owned, they will continue to suck.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 67

Republicans: Understand this. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee of my party I will support the Senator.

Hillary just asked me (Personally!) to help her campaign choose a theme song. I did the write-in option, recommending Razzle Dazzle from the Chicago soundtrack.

jane_jericho @ 76

“So you’re arguing there is nothing — absolutely nothing – these officials could have said to reporters that would have been beyond the scope of their employment [whether it was] true or false?,” U.S. District Judge John D. Bates asked.

“That’s true, your honor.

There comes a point where my imagination fails and I lose the ability to do anything but wave my hands and make distressed noises. I really, really don’t get it. This gang violates so brazenly and absolutely the basic concept of checks and balances and the rule of law that underpin the structure of our government.

I really don’t get why they’re still in office. Really.

::flail::

Because the Democrats in Office don’t have the spine to start impeachment and the Secret Service does its job too well.

Loo Hoo. @ 117

Hillary just asked me (Personally!) to help her campaign choose a theme song. I did the write-in option, recommending Razzle Dazzle from the Chicago soundtrack.

Would “Brass In Pocket” be too weird?

haven’t been able to go to the bathroom in 3 days but one glance at that picture did the trick.
thanks Jane!

Bruce Fein is totally living up to my hype on this radio show.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 109

Can you imagine actually getting punked by the likes of GWB? That has to take some other kind of idiot (Blair).

Appearing at a joint press conference at the White House, Mr Bush was asked if he was responsible for the end of Mr Blair’s premiership.

He said: “I could be”, before saying he would work with his successor Gordon Brown, adding he was a “good fella”.

At their last joint press conference in Washington on Thursday, the two leaders heaped praise on each other and re-affirmed their relationship.

Mr Blair said he admired Mr Bush “as a president and I regard him as a friend”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_…..666897.stm

Tony was asked if he had to do it all again, would he go to war with America in Iraq. He said yes. A follow up question could have been “Even if you knew there were no WMD’s”. All these guys get to retire with nice savings accounts and the men and women they put into harm’s way are losing their families, their homes and their lives.

Loo Hoo. @ 117

Oklahoma kiddo @ 67

Republicans: Understand this. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee of my party I will support the Senator.

Hillary just asked me (Personally!) to help her campaign choose a theme song. I did the write-in option, recommending Razzle Dazzle from the Chicago soundtrack.

That’s pretty cool. Very sharp of you! (I absolutely adore that flick.) ;0)

Alfred Kelgarries @ 103

you are:

a) still in school?
b) independently wealthy?
c) run your own business?
d) any combination of the above?

damm few of us can make that lovely statement…:(:(

Oh, no – I work. I just don’t operate like Wolfowitz (et al) in playing head games, lying to one’s self. I may be shallow, but at least I’m honest with myself.

Sorry to go OT but I have not seen a scheduled replay of the Comey testimony on cspan all week. Did they even video tape it? If not, why?!

Eli @ 119

Loo Hoo. @ 117

Hillary just asked me (Personally!) to help her campaign choose a theme song. I did the write-in option, recommending Razzle Dazzle from the Chicago soundtrack.

Would “Brass In Pocket” be too weird?

I was thinking “anything you can do, I can do better” for HRC…

Prince’s “Let’s Go Crazy” for Gravel (hey, it’s fun and high energy!)

How about ZZ Top’s “I’m Bad, I’m Nationwide” for Rudy?

@ 124

Alfred Kelgarries @ 103

you are:

a) still in school?
b) independently wealthy?
c) run your own business?
d) any combination of the above?

damm few of us can make that lovely statement…:(:(

Oh, no – I work. I just don’t operate like Wolfowitz (et al) in playing head games, lying to one’s self. I may be shallow, but at least I’m honest with myself.

anyone who is sufficiently self critical to make such a statement is not shallow.

OT: anyone remember the NJ fire bizness from last night? well it finally hit the msm:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18721715/

Eureka Springs @ 124

Sorry to go OT but I have not seen a scheduled replay of the Comey testimony on cspan all week. Did they even video tape it? If not, why?!

Heard in here the other day that CSpan doesn’t do re-broadcasts of things they didn’t show in the first place, that is things broadcast by other networks or not at all.

Dover Bitch:

(You can’t know that hurt to type!) Thanks. I’ve got the link; I’ll check when I get off work. I am such a political junkie, I can hardly stand to go to work.

There will be when it’s over. I’m certain Glenn will post the link. If not, I think the link I added will have it.

Glenn just gave an overview of Comey’s testimony. Laurence Tribe is giving Gonzales and the administration a serious, serious smackdown. I can’t wait to hear Fein, who has been a real hero to me in this entire topic since the NY Times revealed the existence of the illegal program.

I was thinking “anything you can do, I can do better” for HRC…

Prince’s “Let’s Go Crazy” for Gravel (hey, it’s fun and high energy!)

How about ZZ Top’s “I’m Bad, I’m Nationwide” for Rudy?

And of course,” Hair” for Romney.

“Nobody knows you when you’re down and out” for Ron Paul.

Dover Bitch @ 121

Bruce Fein is totally living up to my hype on this radio show.

yeah, good show, thanks for the tip.

ccmask @122 4:36pm

“All these guys get to retire with nice savings accounts and the men and women they put into harm’s way are losing their families, their homes and their lives.”

Very well stated.

Wolfowitz down the drain like the soft stool that he is.

Hasta la vista combsucker.

-GSD

GSD @ 133

Wolfowitz down the drain like the soft stool that he is.

Hasta la vista combsucker.

I went with “Ding Dong, The ‘Witz Is Dead”…

Texas Betsy – Wow, I would pay per view to be able to see it.

Imho, Cheney’s team made the dismissal move on ’sovereign immunity’ today in order to establish a dependency with Bush’s Unitary Executive claim:

If Bush’s UE claim is validated in the Court system, then Cheney’s receipt of delegated UE authority could conceivably include “extraordinary immunity” give by the “King Decider-er/Commander Guy.”

It’s a hope-and-a-prayer move that looks utterly absurd on its face, but could become relevant if Bush un-cloakes himself as the UE above the Law.

@ 129

Dover Bitch:

(You can’t know that hurt to type!)

If it makes it any easier on you, my name comes from the title of a poem by one of America’s greatest poets, Anthony Hecht.

Thanks, tw3k @110. A whole page of quotables from Ros & Guil! A couple more that seem appropriate for BushCo:

The Player- For a handful of coin I happen to have a private and uncut performance of “The Rape of the Sabine Women,” or rather woman, or rather Alfred, and for eight you can participate.

The Player- We can do rapiers… or rape… or both!

TexBetsy @89 4:26pm

“Me too”.

;0)

OT but a question:

I’m watching the Hardball replay for today. Yesterday Tweety went all righteous indignaiton on Kingston, gooper congress critter from GA about comparing the occupation of Iraq with Germany and S Korea during the cold war, as well he should have.

Now he’s bringing Ol’ 60 grit on. Has he ever confronted her AT ALL about her husband’s actions in bringing us to this mess? I know I’ve never seen anything about it if he has and if he has not, then it seems to invalidate that indignation from yesterday.

Just my $.02 and curiousity.

Alfred Kelgarries @ 108

if anyone had any doubts about lovely annie of the coulter(geist), i thot i’d share a little tidbit from her blog (courtesy of wonkette):

There have always been colored people — even in the prelapsarian ’50s that Jerry Falwell and I would like to return to, when God protected America from everything but ourselves.

What Falwell was referring to are the black activists — the ones who kept sitting at lunch counters where they clearly weren’t welcome, blamed Wallace for segregation, and keep trying to teach small schoolchildren about “busing.”

if there is any justice, ann will be reincarnated as a black woman in chareston south carolina in 1932; that will make her 18 in her “beloved 1950’s”. i’m sure she’ll enjoy it…:>:>

Falwell was the product of an abusive alcoholic father; the more powerful he became and the more faithful he became, the less his father’s rage could reach him. I wonder what Ann’s story is. Both allow themselves a wide range of behavior, and other’s nothing at all; complete control. Very interesting, I think.

By the way, I adore your father, as by your and his words. Please give him my love…his wisdom is timeless.

Eureka Springs @ 134

Texas Betsy – Wow, I would pay per view to be able to see it.

there was an audio link the day of the testimony, around 2 or 3 in the afternoon central time

Phule @ 118

Because the Democrats in Office don’t have the spine to start impeachment and the Secret Service does its job too well.

I must disagree about the Secret Service. I want them to do their job too well. We want to mock, humiliate, ridicule, disrespect and then defeat the Bush Crime Family Legacy-nothing more. Well one more thing. The Secret Service should release records of certain visitors to the White House, such as Abramoff. And who else visited Karl’s Shop?

OT: we installed a dart board at work. great pass-time. a little too great, if you catch my drift….

a nice quote from crooks and liars about AGAG:

“And Gonzales’s fellow graduates from Harvard Law School’s Class of 1982 took out a full page ad in the Washington Post to express their dismay that their highest profile alumnus appears to have the least grasp on constitutionality and legal ethics. That’s gotta hurt.

The next reunion is going to be SO tense…”

somehow i don’t think Abu Gonzo will make it…

Songe Bob Dobson has the prison shank out for Giuliani.

I love seeing intellectual dwarfs flinging pooh on one another.

Good luck Rudy, the long knives are out for ya. That crass animus that you so cynically tapped into at the debate? That will be used like a mace to club you into a bloody pulp.

Enjoy.

-GSD

Player King: Audiences know what they expect and that is all they are prepared to believe in.

dakine01 @ 140

OT but a question:

I’m watching the Hardball replay for today. Yesterday Tweety went all righteous indignaiton on Kingston, gooper congress critter from GA about comparing the occupation of Iraq with Germany and S Korea during the cold war, as well he should have.

Now he’s bringing Ol’ 60 grit on. Has he ever confronted her AT ALL about her husband’s actions in bringing us to this mess? I know I’ve never seen anything about it if he has and if he has not, then it seems to invalidate that indignation from yesterday.

Just my $.02 and curiousity.

I think you have made a common mistake. Chris Matthews only plays the role of a newsman. Asking real questions is not part of the job description.

And Ol’ 60 grit herself must have had a BIG swallow of the kool-aid before today’s show. I wonder who Ronnie Jr has p*ss’d off at MSNBC that he has to appear with her all the time?

Anybody catch Kate O’Bierne spit and sputter trying to spin Comey’s testimony, while Chris Matthews looked on in amused disblief? Priceless! Hopefully C & L will have video soon.

Hugh @ 148

dakine01 @ 140

OT but a question:

I’m watching the Hardball replay for today. Yesterday Tweety went all righteous indignaiton on Kingston, gooper congress critter from GA about comparing the occupation of Iraq with Germany and S Korea during the cold war, as well he should have.

Now he’s bringing Ol’ 60 grit on. Has he ever confronted her AT ALL about her husband’s actions in bringing us to this mess? I know I’ve never seen anything about it if he has and if he has not, then it seems to invalidate that indignation from yesterday.

Just my $.02 and curiousity.

I think you have made a common mistake. Chris Matthews only plays the role of a newsman. Asking real questions is not part of the job description.

I know but I keep hoping that I’m wrong and a miracle will occur.

Of course, I still believe in the tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny so wha’da I know?

tw3k @ 147

Player King: Audiences know what they expect and that is all they are prepared to believe in.

As they say in Hollywood, that’s the “money quote.”

Looking at Kate O. debating Ron Reagan on “Hardball” on this Comey/Ashcroft hospital business. Reagan is eating Kate alive. Kate O. is pathetic.

mhpcr @ 141

Alfred Kelgarries @ 108

if anyone had any doubts about lovely annie of the coulter(geist), i thot i’d share a little tidbit from her blog (courtesy of wonkette):

There have always been colored people — even in the prelapsarian ’50s that Jerry Falwell and I would like to return to, when God protected America from everything but ourselves.

What Falwell was referring to are the black activists — the ones who kept sitting at lunch counters where they clearly weren’t welcome, blamed Wallace for segregation, and keep trying to teach small schoolchildren about “busing.”

if there is any justice, ann will be reincarnated as a black woman in chareston south carolina in 1932; that will make her 18 in her “beloved 1950’s”. i’m sure she’ll enjoy it…:>:>

Falwell was the product of an abusive alcoholic father; the more powerful he became and the more faithful he became, the less his father’s rage could reach him. I wonder what Ann’s story is. Both allow themselves a wide range of behavior, and other’s nothing at all; complete control. Very interesting, I think.

By the way, I adore your father, as by your and his words. Please give him my love…his wisdom is timeless.

thank you, i’m deeply touched. regretably, he is in 1940’s right now, raging about hitler and why we won’t help the jews. sometimes it is like a time machine, it really is. i’ve learned so much i never knew, because there isn’t TIME to tell even your only son all the adventures of your life. i’d record it if i knew how.

and if you noticed his background, you know where the wisdom comes from, and it’s not any of us. if i live to see nothing else, i hope to live to see the day when men of honest heart and inquiring minds can return to the wellspring of our cultural heritage. given some of the breakthroughs recently in quantum biology, it may happen soon than i’d dared hope…

dakine01 @ 149

And Ol’ 60 grit herself must have had a BIG swallow of the kool-aid before today’s show.

todd @ 150

Anybody catch Kate O’Bierne spit and sputter trying to spin Comey’s testimony

Oklahoma kiddo @ 153

Reagan is eating Kate alive.

What have I ever done to you people???

TexBetsy and Eureka Springs, try this link to TPM for the testimony:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..014173.php

Phule @ 66

@ 62

OT: Oh crikey – someone just came in & said, Wolfowitz has agreed to leave the World Bank at the end of June. Pretty adamant about that $400K wasn’t he?

If the World Bank has anyone smart there, they’ll make sure to pay him in Confederate Currency.

Sorry if someone beat me to it but …

They could pay him with Emperor Norton Dollars

OT-Rec’d email from John Edwards campaign today. They’ve got t-shirts with ‘Support the Troops’ on front, “End the War” on the back. With a $20 donation they’ll send you one. Bumper sticker also (free). Bought one for my activist daughter. Thought they were neat. Just FYI in case anyone is interested.

I really, really like Rosie O’Donnell. O’Donnell says we (the U.S) are the real terrorists in Iraq. I could not agree more.

TexBetsy @ 142

Eureka Springs @ 134

Texas Betsy – Wow, I would pay per view to be able to see it.

there was an audio link the day of the testimony, around 2 or 3 in the afternoon central time

Eureka Springs, TexBtzy is correct. Someone here posted an mp3. I know there are plenty of clips on the net. I’ll see what I can find if you’re still around…let me know. Finding A/V is what I live for…*wink

I’m watching Ron Reagan, Jr. and Kate O’Beirne (sp?) debating about the legality of the illegal wiretapping program. Can I just say she has got to be completely insane! What exactly are her credentials that make her an “expert” to speak to anything? Argh!

Eli @ 155

dakine01 @ 149

And Ol’ 60 grit herself must have had a BIG swallow of the kool-aid before today’s show.

todd @ 150

Anybody catch Kate O’Bierne spit and sputter trying to spin Comey’s testimony

Oklahoma kiddo @ 153

Reagan is eating Kate alive.

What have I ever done to you people???

Dunno. Got any suggestions?

Kate O’Bierne has on a powder blue blouse with a red & white striped blazer. I wonder what color her shoes are? (I’m a shoe freak)

randiego @ 156

TexBetsy and Eureka Springs, try this link to TPM for the testimony:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..014173.php

THX for this. Saved me the search…lol.

Frank33 @ 143

Phule @ 118

Because the Democrats in Office don’t have the spine to start impeachment and the Secret Service does its job too well.

I must disagree about the Secret Service. I want them to do their job too well. We want to mock, humiliate, ridicule, disrespect and then defeat the Bush Crime Family Legacy-nothing more. Well one more thing. The Secret Service should release records of certain visitors to the White House, such as Abramoff. And who else visited Karl’s Shop?

Jeff Gannon

amy @ 161

I’m watching Ron Reagan, Jr. and Kate O’Beirne (sp?) debating about the legality of the illegal wiretapping program. Can I just say she has got to be completely insane! What exactly are her credentials that make her an “expert” to speak to anything? Argh!

Well, her hubby was part of the Coalition Provisional Authority and he was the one that decided that good Redubyacan credentials were more important to hire in Iraq than knowledge of the language or re-building skills or, you know other things that might have helped the Iraqis.

ccmask @ 165

Frank33 @ 143

I must disagree about the Secret Service. I want them to do their job too well. We want to mock, humiliate, ridicule, disrespect and then defeat the Bush Crime Family Legacy-nothing more. Well one more thing. The Secret Service should release records of certain visitors to the White House, such as Abramoff. And who else visited Karl’s Shop?

Jeff Gannon

i’ve never heard that part of the body called a “shop” before. will add that to my list of internet acronyms.

:>

Thanks all.. I should have mentioned net audio or video are out of the question for me. On half speed dial up on a good day here in the hills..)

Gonzo wearing a yellow tie on KO.

dakine01 @ 166

amy @ 161

I’m watching Ron Reagan, Jr. and Kate O’Beirne (sp?) debating about the legality of the illegal wiretapping program. Can I just say she has got to be completely insane! What exactly are her credentials that make her an “expert” to speak to anything? Argh!

Well, her hubby was part of the Coalition Provisional Authority and he was the one that decided that good Redubyacan credentials were more important to hire in Iraq than knowledge of the language or re-building skills or, you know other things that might have helped the Iraqis.

Oh, well that explains it!! Knowledge, smoledge, eh.

ATTENTION FIREPUPS!

New EmptyWheel post up at NextHurrah! on the impeachableness of abu g.

linky:

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/

Loo Hoo. @ 169

Gonzo wearing a yellow tie on KO.

So was the Preznit on his presser with Blair.

Listening to KO. Bush is such a liar. I detest that man and everything he stands for.

ccmask @ 165

Jeff Gannon


The Original DC Madame.

Dover Bitch @ 137

@ 129

Dover Bitch:

(You can’t know that hurt to type!)

If it makes it any easier on you, my name comes from the title of a poem by one of America’s greatest poets, Anthony Hecht.

I see – there’s a literary qualifier. I will check him out. I see he is a contemporary of Sylvia Plath, whose work I do have.

Doggone it, but Marcy is on a tear, like a pitbull on speed. Thanks for the heads up, Alfred.

KO gonna cover JFK “Magic Bullet”. I was just watching this. JFK – The Jim Garrison X-File Excellent eyewitness interviews and footage.

David Shuster says on KO that we need 60 votes to support the no-confidence on Gonzales. We are a couple of votes short. Huge pressure & public embarrasment….KO stressing the 26 attorneys meant to be fired. David says that all of this are on documents not yet realeased.

If impeaching the AG is on the table, then why is impeaching his boss not?

ccmask @ 178

David Shuster says on KO that we need 60 votes to support the no-confidence on Gonzales. We are a couple of votes short. Huge pressure & public embarrasment….KO stressing the 26 attorneys meant to be fired. David says that all of this are on documents not yet realeased.

Would public embarrassment mean ANYTHING to this crowd? To the country?

Cheney Rove, Libby and Armitage were “just doing their jobs” undermining national security by outing an undercover agent whose job it was to follow the path of WMD’s. Just all in a days work for the Bush administration. Simply insane!

Christ All mighty we have had enough of the lies, spinning, cheating and killing. How much more can the world and our nation take of the Bush administration’s “compassionate conservatism”

Please someone stop the insanity. Lock these fucking psychopaths up

Frank33 @ 174

ccmask @ 165

Jeff Gannon


The Original DC Madame.

I wonder if he was an employee of the madame? Was she an equal opportunity employer?

Lou Costello @ 177

KO gonna cover JFK “Magic Bullet”. I was just watching this. JFK – The Jim Garrison X-File Excellent eyewitness interviews and footage.

I wonder if he’ll mention that Arlen Specter is the originator of that theory.

Eureka Springs @ 168

Thanks all.. I should have mentioned net audio or video are out of the question for me. On half speed dial up on a good day here in the hills..)

This can really help…Free Download Manager

You know, it amazes me that Karl Rove has never been interviewed on any television show.

ccmask @ 185

You know, it amazes me that Karl Rove has never been interviewed on any television show.

never??

I heard that on television last night and I have to agree that I have never seen him interviewed.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 179

If impeaching the AG is on the table, then why is impeaching his boss not?

Well, the thousand mile journey begins with a single step. by step. by step. by step…

dakine01 @ 172

Loo Hoo. @ 169

Gonzo wearing a yellow tie on KO.

So was the Preznit on his presser with Blair.

What’s the significance of tie color?

That’s because Karl is not the big smarty pants the GOP pr machine puts out.

Rayne @ 176

Doggone it, but Marcy is on a tear, like a pitbull on speed. Thanks for the heads up, Alfred.

Girlfriend is like a freight train!

solai @ 189

dakine01 @ 172

So was the Preznit on his presser with Blair.

What’s the significance of tie color?

Isn’t yellow the ‘new’ power tie color?

with all due respect (which is none), Cheney has no leg to stand on. The supremes ruled that Paula Jones could sue Clinton in office. Unless the packed court of W reverses that, Valerie Plame can sue Cheney’s sorry behind.

For those who didn’t hear anything about this on the MSM today (haha):

Scientists cast doubt on Kennedy bullet analysis ~ Multiple shooters possible, study says.

Rayne @ 176

Doggone it, but Marcy is on a tear, like a pitbull on speed. Thanks for the heads up, Alfred.

ILTSTL*

*I Live To Serve The Lake

solai @ 189

dakine01 @ 172

So was the Preznit on his presser with Blair.

What’s the significance of tie color?

There was some discussion on an earlier thread. I believe the contention was it signifies a lying scum sucker but my brain cells are neither as prevalent nor as viable as they once were…

Alfred Kelgarries @ 195

Rayne @ 176

Doggone it, but Marcy is on a tear, like a pitbull on speed. Thanks for the heads up, Alfred.

ILTSTL*

*I Live To Serve The Lake

we all need a purpose in life

Dover Bitch @ 183

Lou Costello @ 177

KO gonna cover JFK “Magic Bullet”. I was just watching this. JFK – The Jim Garrison X-File Excellent eyewitness interviews and footage.

I wonder if he’ll mention that Arlen Specter is the originator of that theory.

are you KIDDING ME?????!!!!! Linky please????

@ 192

solai @ 189

What’s the significance of tie color?

Isn’t yellow the ‘new’ power tie color?

I think the power color goes in and out almost like the width, from red to yellow to pink and back again.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 190

That’s because Karl is not the big smarty pants the GOP pr machine puts out.

Or, it’s below him. I don’t care really….I know one day I will see him interviewed in a court of law. If I was a Democrat in Congress, I’d be working on being able to arrest citizens of Paraguay.

TexBetsy @ 186

ccmask @ 185

You know, it amazes me that Karl Rove has never been interviewed on any television show.

never??

Dan Rather got him at the tail end of a story on CREEP (Committee to Re-Elect the President) in 1972ish. The clip’s at C&L (I think)

Alfred Kelgarries @ 198

Dover Bitch @ 183

I wonder if he’ll mention that Arlen Specter is the originator of that theory.

are you KIDDING ME?????!!!!! Linky please????

Arlen was the staff attorney on the Warren Commission who developed the magic bullet theory yes.

Alfred Kelgarries @ 198

Dover Bitch @ 183

I wonder if he’ll mention that Arlen Specter is the originator of that theory.

are you KIDDING ME?????!!!!! Linky please????

LINK

So… the Veep says he has immunity from doing wrong doing in the Plame civil suit? Is this a great country, or what?

and if you noticed his background, you know where the wisdom comes from, and it’s not any of us. if i live to see nothing else, i hope to live to see the day when men of honest heart and inquiring minds can return to the wellspring of our cultural heritage. given some of the breakthroughs recently in quantum biology, it may happen soon than i’d dared hope…

Alfred: I took care of my mother, who suffered from kidney failure and heart disease. She became mistrustful of me at times, although I try not to remember it. I am curious about which church your father was affiliated with, if that’s not too personal at this time.

I wonder if he’ll mention that Arlen Specter is the originator of that theory.

are you KIDDING ME?????!!!!! Linky please????

well, I don’t have a link, but it’s certainly true that the young Arlen Specter was the author of the “magic bullet” theory.

dakine01 @ 202

Alfred Kelgarries @ 198

are you KIDDING ME?????!!!!! Linky please????

Arlen was the staff attorney on the Warren Commission who developed the magic bullet theory yes.

okay, i’m going back under teh bed now. i have rigged up the eyepiece to the monitor. my typing may get a little mushy…

Alfred Kelgarries

From wiki:

Soon after graduation from Yale, Specter became a prominent lawyer in Philadelphia and active in politics, beginning his political life as a Democrat. At the recommendation of Rep. Gerald R. Ford, he worked for the Warren Commission investigating the assassination of John F. Kennedy. As an assistant counsel for the commission, he authored the controversial “single bullet theory” to attempt to explain the commission’s finding that a lone assassin killed Kennedy.

So the prez is not into a decent raise for the grunts in the military. Is this what’s called “workfare”?

KO has a segment on Support the troops–they want a $6.00 a month raise and Bush said no. A guy Todd Bowers is an Iraq war veteran and he is pissed.

Alfred K, look at that ‘pristine’ bullet…THX Specter!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 190

That’s because Karl is not the big smarty pants the GOP pr machine puts out.

Karl’s real advantage is that he’s amoral. When you have no conscience you view challenges differently from most people.

Just Doing His Job

it all depends on what the meaning of do does.

mhpcr @ 205

and if you noticed his background, you know where the wisdom comes from, and it’s not any of us. if i live to see nothing else, i hope to live to see the day when men of honest heart and inquiring minds can return to the wellspring of our cultural heritage. given some of the breakthroughs recently in quantum biology, it may happen soon than i’d dared hope…

Alfred: I took care of my mother, who suffered from kidney failure and heart disease. She became mistrustful of me at times, although I try not to remember it. I am curious about which church your father was affiliated with, if that’s not too personal at this time.

methodist, the non-vicious branch. as i’m an agnostic/functional atheist, i don’t like to emphasize it. OTOH, if you actually get into some of the text of the raw biblical documents (not the ham-handed translations most people use) there is some truly amazing stuff in there, technological anachronisms. my favorite sermon of my dad (he didn’t have a congregation but would fill in at various local churches if a pastor got sick on short notice) was “the eight days of evolution”. this was back in the late 1980’s just before he retired but even then we could smell the stench of creationism wafting on the wind around raygun. he laid down the truth that day; anyone trying to use genesis to support creationism was lying through their teeth. I gotta go see if i can find that in his papers it might be worth posting somewhere…

Alfred: I took care of my mother, who suffered from kidney failure and heart disease. She became mistrustful of me at times, although I try not to remember it. I am curious about which church your father was affiliated with, if that’s not too personal at this time.

I should also mention that my father was D.Ed. (NYU) Methodist minster and that I also studied theology in Boston.

Badwater @ 13

Who photoshopped a smile on Cheney? It is frightening.

Looks like he’s taking a crap!

mhpcr @ 215

Alfred: I took care of my mother, who suffered from kidney failure and heart disease. She became mistrustful of me at times, although I try not to remember it. I am curious about which church your father was affiliated with, if that’s not too personal at this time.

I should also mention that my father was D.Ed. (NYU) Methodist minster and that I also studied theology in Boston.

wow! when was this? could we have met?

Kathleen @ 216

Badwater @ 13

Who photoshopped a smile on Cheney? It is frightening.

Looks like he’s taking a crap!

Like from like?

ccmask @ 163

Kate O’Bierne has on a powder blue blouse with a red & white striped blazer. I wonder what color her shoes are? (I’m a shoe freak)

Powder blue and red striped.

Looks like he’s taking a crap!

Like from like?

the outing of V. Plame was a NOC turn ill emission

punaise @ 220

Looks like he’s taking a crap!

Like from like?

the outing of V. Plame was a NOC turn ill emission

707!!! Bad punaise bad :})

TexBetsy @ 186

ccmask @ 185

You know, it amazes me that Karl Rove has never been interviewed on any television show.

never??

On the Jon Stewart show Tim Russert said that they keep asking Rove to come on the show. No No No Says Rove

Non-vicious here, also. The other is much too scary, and incorrect theologically, I believe.

Oklahoma Kiddo,

Have you seen this yet?RunAlRun

The Last Temptation of Al Gore

lolo

solai @ 189

dakine01 @ 172

So was the Preznit on his presser with Blair.

What’s the significance of tie color?

There was a discussion of the yellow tie on an earlier thread. I didn’t follow it all, but chickenshit yellow was mentioned.

Kathleen @ 216

Badwater @ 13

Who photoshopped a smile on Cheney? It is frightening.

Looks like he’s taking a crap!

Naw, Cheney always has that look after he’s snacked on babies and small children

Lou Costello @ 211

Alfred K, look at that ‘pristine’ bullet…THX Specter!

you know, i’d forgotten, but we were living in dallas in 1963; in fact my mom saw kennedy less than a minute before he was killed from a window in an office building where she was shopping for a new steinway (our one materialist vice). i never got into the conspiracy theories about the death but i do remember how vitriolic the papers were for about two weeks prior to his visit. i remember my dad worrying about something happening, said the air was full of bad thoughts…

Alfred Kelgarries @ 214

methodist, the non-vicious branch. as i’m an agnostic/functional atheist, i don’t like to emphasize it. OTOH, if you actually get into some of the text of the raw biblical documents (not the ham-handed translations most people use) there is some truly amazing stuff in there, technological anachronisms. my favorite sermon of my dad (he didn’t have a congregation but would fill in at various local churches if a pastor got sick on short notice) was “the eight days of evolution”. this was back in the late 1980’s just before he retired but even then we could smell the stench of creationism wafting on the wind around raygun. he laid down the truth that day; anyone trying to use genesis to support creationism was lying through their teeth. I gotta go see if i can find that in his papers it might be worth posting somewhere…

As opposed to the vicious branch who broke from the Methodists? Church of the Nazarene of whom one member is James Dobson, and who also quite a prominent presence in our small township.

wow! when was this? could we have met?

The 1970s through 1981. Were you there at that time also? Took courses through the Boston Theological Institute. Could you father have been my professor?

lolo @ 224

Oklahoma Kiddo,

Have you seen this yet?RunAlRun

The Last Temptation of Al Gore

lolo

from the link:

believing the Supreme Court was dead wrong to shut down the Florida recount but never talking about it publicly because he didn’t want Americans to lose faith in their system. That changes a man forever.

mebbee it does…but what’s harder on the system is the fact that the man refused to FIGHT for what he/we won…that whole episode was enough to have soured me completely, to have utterly destroyed my hope of EVER having a ‘working’ system–that is, a system that worked for anyone but the fascists who have corrupted and coopted it…
i would love to see Al run again…i think he’s probably the ONLY candidate who could actually effect ANY of the changes needed if we are not to be responsible for the wholesale destruction of life on the planet…
but i would have rather seen him fight for the presidency in 2000 than skulk away with his pride…
.

@ 228

Alfred Kelgarries @ 214

methodist, the non-vicious branch. as i’m an agnostic/functional atheist, i don’t like to emphasize it. OTOH, if you actually get into some of the text of the raw biblical documents (not the ham-handed translations most people use) there is some truly amazing stuff in there, technological anachronisms. my favorite sermon of my dad (he didn’t have a congregation but would fill in at various local churches if a pastor got sick on short notice) was “the eight days of evolution”. this was back in the late 1980’s just before he retired but even then we could smell the stench of creationism wafting on the wind around raygun. he laid down the truth that day; anyone trying to use genesis to support creationism was lying through their teeth. I gotta go see if i can find that in his papers it might be worth posting somewhere…

As opposed to the vicious branch who broke from the Methodists? Church of the Nazarene of whom one member is James Dobson, and who also quite a prominent presence in our small township.

got it in one. my dad didn’t actually teach at the seminary, he taught at North Texas State because my mom already was tenure track there when they met (music dept, piano) (i think they called it the Teachers Normal College or something then). so he pretty much stayed out of seminary/church politics, but enough leaked through that when i had to make my own religious decision, i said, “no thanks”.

doesn’t change my total respect for my dad tho. he may just have better sensitivies to this sort of stuff than i do…

OT, I believe Congress won’t need to worry about a new appropriations bill to fund the Iraq War. According to Reuters, Iraq is on the verge of collapse. “BAGHDAD (Reuters) – Iraq’s government has lost control of vast areas to powerful local factions and the country is on the verge of collapse and fragmentation, a leading British think-tank said on Thursday….”It can be argued that Iraq is on the verge of being a failed state which faces the distinct possibility of collapse and fragmentation,” it said in a report.
“The Iraqi government is not able to exert authority evenly or effectively over the country. Across huge swathes of territory, it is largely irrelevant in terms of ordering social, economic and political life.”
http://www.reuters.com/article…..0720070517

Baghdad is Bush’s Saigon

From TPM Things are even worse than we thought in our post yesterday about John McCain’s absenteeism from the Senate — McCain hasn’t made a single vote since April 12, and has missed 42 floor votes in a row!

todd @ 150

Anybody catch Kate O’Bierne spit and sputter trying to spin Comey’s testimony, while Chris Matthews looked on in amused disblief? Priceless! Hopefully C & L will have video soon.

I don’t agree with a great deal of what Matthews has to say but I think/know he has been ripping it up when it comes to questioning how we went into Iraq and he questions loud and clear any unsubstantiated claims about Iran!

I believe Matthews was one of the first mainstreamers to go to Walter Reed and do a show about the injured. Matthews is pissed about this unnecessary and bloody war!

mhpcr @ 229

wow! when was this? could we have met?

The 1970s through 1981. Were you there at that time also? Took courses through the Boston Theological Institute. Could you father have been my professor?

no i’m afraid not. i was thinking we might have met when i went with the family to a couple of big ecumenical events in boston when it was a fairly new thing. lots of educators there for those, it was really interesting if a bit over my head at the time. well, we’ve met now, electronically! :)

to whom it may concern:

imho, the jfk assassination was the first overt shot in the decades-long plot hatched by the corpoRatocracy to destroy–to undermine, to disfigure, to make utterly powerless–the institutions and instruments of democratic self-government and the people’s trust in them.

mission accomplished…

Diane @ 32

Let’s all think positive thoughts for Joe & Valerie.

Thank you Joe and Valerie for carrying the torch for truth and frog marching!!

but i would have rather seen him fight for the presidency in 2000 than skulk away with his pride…
.

Sigh. How true. Yet…

Balrog @ 23

Balrog @ 20

Gonzo. Idiot Al the Torture Guy, as Atrios calls him.

Make that Howie at DWT.

Howie the Torture Guy? I like it! Also, May 21 is the *very best* day for a Balrog Birthday. Flame on!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 45

I doubt (unfortunately) that Plame/Wilson have the resources that Cheney has to fight and win civil litigation. This is a case for the ACLU, and pro-bono attorneys.

How much did the “Libby Defense Fund” raise? Why not the Wilson/Plame Truth Fund?

Kathleen @ 240

Oklahoma kiddo @ 45

I doubt (unfortunately) that Plame/Wilson have the resources that Cheney has to fight and win civil litigation. This is a case for the ACLU, and pro-bono attorneys.

How much did the “Libby Defense Fund” raise? Why not the Wilson/Plame Truth Fund?

There is a fund for Valerie. I know because I received a thank you card from the Wilson’s.

lolo @ 224

Oklahoma Kiddo,

Have you seen this yet?RunAlRun

The Last Temptation of Al Gore

lolo

Yep. ;0)

http://www.time.com/time/natio…..-1,00.html

I may be the one under the bed, but these guys are the true raving nutters…

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..ag-dinner/

can you say “learning impaired”?

(my most favorite line in a move ever is by michael douglas after annette benning has just hung up on him in “The American President”. he stares at the buzzing phone and remarks, “this used to be easier.” when he calls her back, her first line is “are you learning impaired?” the rest of that entire sequence is still what i watch when i need guaranteed cheering up. no wonder sorkin went on to do the west wing…)

Donate to Valerie here

OT. Anybody have an opinion on the Lisa Myers,MSNBC, story on Dragon Skin body armor versus Interceptor body armor. Looks to me like another scandal about to break.

Tipper says she’ll support Al if he runs. Please Mr. Gore, run. The world is in need of you.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 67

Republicans: Understand this. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee of my party I will support the Senator.

I was just with my 80 year old blue collar/teamster WWII Vet father. He said he would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat. This is coming from an Archie Bunker kind of guy. He said he really likes how smart she is! When an old salt of the earth type like him likes Hillary that is saying a great deal

shoepuker43 @ 245

OT. Anybody have an opinion on the Lisa Myers,MSNBC, story on Dragon Skin body armor versus Interceptor body armor. Looks to me like another scandal about to break.

They ran it on the NBC news as well. Typical bullshit, the guy that invented the current armor says it is inferior.

Alfred Kelgarries @ 243

I may be the one under the bed, but these guys are the true raving nutters…

OK here’s the title: Neoconservatives Gather To Applaud Scooter Libby And Ponder Next Targets For Regime Change

In other words…”Yeaaaa traitors and war criminals and who can we rape and pillage next?

shoepuker43 @ 245

OT. Anybody have an opinion on the Lisa Myers,MSNBC, story on Dragon Skin body armor versus Interceptor body armor. Looks to me like another scandal about to break.

i’ve been following it on Defense Tech and Danger Room. Linky:

http://blog.wired.com/defense/….._late.html

Lou Costello @ 249

Alfred Kelgarries @ 243

I may be the one under the bed, but these guys are the true raving nutters…

OK here’s the title: Neoconservatives Gather To Applaud Scooter Libby And Ponder Next Targets For Regime Change

In other words…”Yeaaaa traitors and war criminals and who can we rape and pillage next?

like i said, “learning impaired”….

Alfred Kelgarries @ 251

Lou Costello @ 249

OK here’s the title: Neoconservatives Gather To Applaud Scooter Libby And Ponder Next Targets For Regime Change

In other words…”Yeaaaa traitors and war criminals and who can we rape and pillage next?

like i said, “learning impaired”….

I thought the drain bamage was supposed to be for those of us who indulged in left handed cigarettes and other psycho-active substances back in the day. I’m thinkin’ these a**hats would think a bit more clearly if they HAD indulged.

no i’m afraid not. i was thinking we might have met when i went with the family to a couple of big ecumenical events in boston when it was a fairly new thing. lots of educators there for those, it was really interesting if a bit over my head at the time. well, we’ve met now, electronically! :)

Yes, we have, and I’ve come to respect and love your father, also. Mine was very ecumenical and started all kinds of services before he died: Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant together, and it has affected me deeply throughout my life. I remain grateful for his vision; would that he were here today.

I miss Christy and hope she’s having a great time.

Loo Hoo. @ 91

Dover Bitch @ 44

Did anybody just hear Bay Buchanan going after Sen. Clinton? Wow. Bay is really, really slimy.

So are you, Lou Dobbs.

What happened?

DOBBS: Well, Bay Buchanan is here now. She has a brand new book out. It is entitled “The Extreme Makeover of Hillary (Rodham) Clinton” suggesting a little partisanship in the approach. How are you, Bay?

BAY BUCHANAN, TEAM AMERICA PAC: Hi, how are you doing?

DOBBS: Congratulations on the new book.

BUCHANAN: Thank you very much. It is not partisan. Completely objective review of who Hillary is and where she wants to take this country.

[…]

DOBBS: The idea that Hillary Clinton — you say one of your discoveries in the book is that she is enormously insecure. How so?

BUCHANAN: Exactly. An interesting thing happened. I didn’t understand or know that. I wasn’t looking for that. I picked up the book and read it a couple of times but as I started getting in the first read, I said there’s something strange here.

She tells story after story and I recognized the insecurity that’s behind it and once I recognized it and went there, I started to look at the book more closely and I document in my book, incident after incident, which proves that she is a very insecure person and explains who she is. The arrogance, the sense of superiority, the way she treats people who she doesn’t perceive as equal to her. Her concept that she is above …

DOBBS: You make her sound superior rather than insecure.

BUCHANAN: That is the fake. That’s what you do as an insecure person. And the sad thing is. Insecurity is not bad. John Adams was insecure. You can be strengthened by overcoming it. But she has been consumed by it. She has surrounded herself with experts. She is not certain of her own self. She is an indecisive human being and she is not qualified because of the character to be president of the United States.

FYI, new thread

I thought the Democrats in Congress mock people who suggest impeaching Cheney.

mhpcr @ 253

no i’m afraid not. i was thinking we might have met when i went with the family to a couple of big ecumenical events in boston when it was a fairly new thing. lots of educators there for those, it was really interesting if a bit over my head at the time. well, we’ve met now, electronically! :)

Yes, we have, and I’ve come to respect and love your father, also. Mine was very ecumenical and started all kinds of services before he died: Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant together, and it has affected me deeply throughout my life. I remain grateful for his vision; would that he were here today.

have you seen the couple of posts i’ve made about some really interesting theories my boss (son in law) has about the intersection of physics, evolution, AI and quantum mechanics? its really neat stuff but WAY over my head. bottom line, death may be nothing more than the evolutionary equivalent of a snake shedding its skin. i hope to live to see the science of such things move into the mainstream…

Great article about the “Pro Israeli lobby and U.S. Middle east Policy/ James Petras

http://www.informationclearing…..e17725.htm

mhpcr @ 238

but i would have rather seen him fight for the presidency in 2000 than skulk away with his pride…
.

Sigh. How true. Yet…

AMEN !!!!

have you seen the couple of posts i’ve made about some really interesting theories my boss (son in law) has about the intersection of physics, evolution, AI and quantum mechanics? its really neat stuff but WAY over my head. bottom line, death may be nothing more than the evolutionary equivalent of a snake shedding its skin. i hope to live to see the science of such things move into the mainstream…

No, I haven’t, but have discussed such possibilities with a cousin who’s in physics and have ordered ‘The Physics of Consciousness’ Evan Walker, I believe. Reminds me of the
‘old’ days when ideas were important…tshhhh, tshhhh..pass that, will you? (Just kidding, NSA)

mhpcr @ 261

have you seen the couple of posts i’ve made about some really interesting theories my boss (son in law) has about the intersection of physics, evolution, AI and quantum mechanics? its really neat stuff but WAY over my head. bottom line, death may be nothing more than the evolutionary equivalent of a snake shedding its skin. i hope to live to see the science of such things move into the mainstream…

No, I haven’t, but have discussed such possibilities with a cousin who’s in physics and have ordered ‘The Physics of Consciousness’ Evan Walker, I believe. Reminds me of the
‘old’ days when ideas were important…tshhhh, tshhhh..pass that, will you? (Just kidding, NSA)

check out roger penrose, i think my boss studied under him or at least is strongly influenced by him and by richard hoagland (NOT the mars nut the other hoagland who’s into “Homonculus Automata” whatever that is…) i like penrose a lot, and with quantum entanglement now verified his stuff starts to make a lot more sense… (ps i’m on the next thread up actually)

ccmask @ 34

This is my favorite scandal, although I’m kind of really liking the USA one…is there something wrong with me?

I like this one too since the logical conclusion is that the shooter is himself convicted of treason during a time of war and given the appropriate sentence by a court of law.

Alfred Kelgarries @ 145

a nice quote from crooks and liars about AGAG:

“And Gonzales’s fellow graduates from Harvard Law School’s Class of 1982 took out a full page ad in the Washington Post to express their dismay that their highest profile alumnus appears to have the least grasp on constitutionality and legal ethics. That’s gotta hurt.

The next reunion is going to be SO tense…”

somehow i don’t think Abu Gonzo will make it…

That’s OK. He wouldn’t recall attending even if he did.

albert fall @ 41

Shorter Dick:

“It’s not treason when the vice president does it.”

GREAT quote.

Other Pat @ 264

Alfred Kelgarries @ 145

a nice quote from crooks and liars about AGAG:

“And Gonzales’s fellow graduates from Harvard Law School’s Class of 1982 took out a full page ad in the Washington Post to express their dismay that their highest profile alumnus appears to have the least grasp on constitutionality and legal ethics. That’s gotta hurt.

The next reunion is going to be SO tense…”

somehow i don’t think Abu Gonzo will make it…

That’s OK. He wouldn’t recall attending even if he did.

you ARE EVIL! EVIL EVIL EVIL! :)

btw, most of us have flowed downlake to here:

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments

allan_in_upstate @ 26

Hey, dirty f**king hippies,
the Office of the Vice President is not part of the Executive Branch.

Get over it.

So, when the President delegates authority to the VP to do something, isn’t that when he becomes Exec Branch?

And, as Senate leader does the VP have authority to discuss classified info. with Exec Branch people? Does he have authority to disseminate the information?

There have to be limits. There are always limits. We just have to have lawyers look it over and point them out.

Bustednuckles @ 130

“Nobody knows you when you’re down and out” for Ron Paul.

Incredible! I was just playing that song and it finished JUST as I came to this post. Wow!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 179

If impeaching the AG is on the table, then why is impeaching his boss not?

Great question.

First, the Repubs won’t dare let Bush be convicted. That would let his replacement be an automatic nominee for ‘08 and they’d lose big time.

Second, it would disgrace them (Senate Rs) all and within their party they’d be crushed.

No, they have to tough it out and hang onto the shreds of their party and it’s gonna be ugly for them.

Dems could Impeach perhaps, but never get the conviction, so it’s wasted effort which would make them look ridiculous to the public.

Dems should just crush the entire Repub party with Bush standing on-deck as the ship goes down with him saying, “I’m in charge here.”

So, to that end, kicking Abu Gonzales out on his keister is a great step in the right direction. He’s been disgraced already, so the Impeachment is a natural follow-through. It would also help us restore some real Law and Order to this administration.

If we have to go down the list and replace each and every one of Bush’s people, one by one, then it’s worth it. Tenet is gone. Wolfowitz is gone. Rumsfeld is sorta gone and Gonzales could be next and then who knows after that. Boiled Rice anyone?

shoepuker43 @ 245

OT. Anybody have an opinion on the Lisa Myers,MSNBC, story on Dragon Skin body armor versus Interceptor body armor. Looks to me like another scandal about to break.

It’s not really news. Soldiers and some in the public knew about this when they were first being sent over there and took their own Dragon armor.

The military eventually told them if they kept using the Dragon armor and were killed they’d lose their death benefit (insurance).

In short, somebody is probably getting kickbacks for guaranteeing the worse armor is used (and people die for it).

George Bush and Dick Cheney would be like Butch and Sundance, Thelma and Louis, Lewis and Martin, Burns and Allen, Hope and Crosby…except for the fact that George Bush is a psychopath (both liar and otherwise) and Dick Cheney is a sociopath (why do you think he often disappears to an undisclosed location?) while, on the other hand, all the other couples I mentioned weren’t psychopathic sociopaths.

Alberto Gonzales? Oh, he’s obviously Igor, the faithful sidekick to madmen, who likes to eat bugs.

TexBetsy @ 7

President Bush himself said that revealing Plame’s identity could be illegal conduct and a firing offense, he told Bates.

So why doesn’t the press remember when he said that? Why doesn’t anyone re-play that? At least 500x a day

Y’know, maybe its up to US. Maybe we need to write more letters to the editor, and talk about this more with our family and friends, and e-mail networks? I need to do more of that.

Bob in HI

ccmask @ 34

This is my favorite scandal, although I’m kind of really liking the USA one…is there something wrong with me?

This is my favorite scandal, too, because Cheney must be impeached or otherwise removed from office before we can impeach Bush. Unless, of course, we can impeach both of them at once. Which is not out of the question, since they’re joined at the hip in a number of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Bob in HI

Gunga Djinn @ 36

“That’s true, your honor. Mr. Wilson was criticizing government policy,” said Jeffrey S. Bucholtz, Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Department’s civil division. “These officials were responding to that criticism.”

Is this or is this not, the most open admission to date that Cheney & Rove were directly responsible for outing Plame?

Good point!
Bob in HI

HeirofPatriots @ 52

I just followed a link to this pretty funny action item.

For a fresher democracy try ImpeachMINT!
Let your Congressional representatives know how you feel about Impeachment by sending them an ImpeachMINT!.

Anyone know about this group?

Progressive Democrats of America
http://www.pdamerica.org

is one of the groups pushing ImpeachMINTs. They’re good folks.
Bob in HI
Secretary, Progressive Democrats of Hawaii

Kathleen @ 247

Oklahoma kiddo @ 67

Republicans: Understand this. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee of my party I will support the Senator.

I was just with my 80 year old blue collar/teamster WWII Vet father. He said he would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat. This is coming from an Archie Bunker kind of guy. He said he really likes how smart she is! When an old salt of the earth type like him likes Hillary that is saying a great deal

Kathleen –

Yeah! My dad, too! My father is 87, WW2 vet, blue-collar farmer type and he told me in 2003 he vote for her if she ever ran. He’s been voting Republican since he was able to vote; got disgusted in 2000 with Bush and switched to voting Democratic. He’s REALLY pissed now with this ‘illegal shit’ going on in Iraq.

Ralph @ 59

Jane, color me astonished that you are colored flabbergasted. Okay, I know you were kidding, but… this is exactly what Cheney has been leading up to for the past six years. According to his theory of the Constitution, he and Bush are at this very moment omnipotent dictators of essentially the whole world, but in particular of the U.S. and its protectorates and possessions and embassies and war zones and, of course, Guantanamo and outer space and the oceans out to N hundreds of miles, where N = whatever Cheney says it is.

If you have any questions, please ask Tony Snow. He will dodge them with a special flair all his own.

OK, so on what basis is Shooter claiming this?

My reading of the Constitution says that the VP breaks ties in the Senate and replaces the president if he’s no longer able to serve.

So the only other power the guy has is what the president delegates to him. In this, he’s like anybody else who works for the president. And nothing more.

Maybe there’s some additional body of law I’m not seeing here, but it seems to me that with an additional 50 cents to buy a pitcher at a yard sale, Shooter could find a nice place for that warm spit this argument is worth.

Ian @ 94

The Unitary (Vice) Presidency. I think it’s great that Waxman and Conyers and Leahy and Schumer are attempting to hold BushCo to the fire but they won’t take the necessary leap, so they’re a bit like terriers nipping around a larger animal. The leap? Inherent Contempt. I guess I want some action. I want to see a confrontation where things get decided spectacularly. All this waiting around leaves me impatient. Impeachment, of course, another possibility. But while the power is there for Inherent Contempt, the votes are not there for Impeachment. I can think of nothing finer than to see members of BushCo marched out of their offices in shackles by the Capitol police,

I’m impatient for impeachment because without it future Congresses will be impotent.