If this were a year ago, and someone told you that by May 2007, people would be making the following statements, would you have (1) believed it and (2) been able to predict who would say these things? But here we are, in 2007, the year all the wheels came off.
Think of this as a current events quiz — you know, just like you used to do after reading your Weekly Reader, if you’re as old as I. So without peeking at the answers before you take the quiz, and no fair using Teh Google, do you know who said each of the following:
1. Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective of what would happen if somebody else did it to us.
2. The American people deserve an attorney general, the chief law enforcement officer of our country, whose honesty and capability are beyond question. Attorney General Gonzales can no longer meet this standard. He has failed this country. He has lost the moral authority to lead.
3. I am glad [detainees] are at Guantanamo. I don’t want them on our soil. I want them on Guantanamo, where they don’t get the access to lawyers they get when they’re on our soil. I don’t want them in our prisons, I want them there. Some people have said we ought to close Guantanamo. My view is we ought to double Guantanamo.
4. I would tell the people who had to do the interrogation they should do everything they could think of. . . .
[snip]
I’m looking for Jack Bauer at that time. . . . We are the last best hope of Western civilization. When we go under, Western civilization goes under.
5. I read just this week that a significant number of the Iraqi parliament want to vote to ask us to leave. I want to assure you, Wolf, if they vote to ask us to leave, we’ll be glad to comply with their request.
6. JAMES B. COMEY, the straight-as-an-arrow former No. 2 official at the Justice Department, yesterday offered the Senate Judiciary Committee an account of Bush administration lawlessness so shocking it would have been unbelievable coming from a less reputable source. . . .
[T]he administration has emphasized since the warrantless wiretapping story broke that it was being done under the department’s supervision. Now, it emerges, they were willing to override Justice if need be. That Mr. Gonzales is now in charge of the department he tried to steamroll may be most disturbing of all.
7. If they f*** with me or Shaha, I have enough on them to f*** them too.
8. I don’t know. I think what happened is, again, as you’re taking a review, it became clear to us that this — as you develop — as you move into a new phase of the war — keep in mind, we are still in the process of deploying people in this new way forward, as the President called it, and therefore, it seems proper at a time like this also to task somebody with the job of keeping an eye on all the different players who are involved in it.
Quit peeking!
Answers: 1. Ron Paul, on Tuesday night’s Republican Presidential candidate’s debate, explaining why he’s not as crazy as the nine men standing next to him.
2. Chuck Hagel, commenting after James Comey’s explosive testimony yesterday.
3. Mitt Romney, on Tuesday night’s debate, explaining what he would do if he were the star of 24 Commander in Chief for torture.
4. Rudy Guiliani and Tom Tancredo, respectively, embracing torture, and making sure Romney doesn’t lock in the rightestwing Republicans the pro-torture vote.
5. Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell, explaining to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer how much Republicans enjoy being forced to vote to stay in Iraq.
6. Lead editorial, The Washington Post.
7. Paul Wolfowitz, man of honor, threatening what he might do to others at the World Bank if they forced him to resign, while he negotiated his “exit strategy.”
8. Tony Snow, trying not to answer the question, “why did it take so long to find a war czar?”
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mornin! guess y’all have seen this: Latest on USAs
Zed? Scarecrow!
Good morning, Scarecrow. i passed with a C
Good morning, Scarecrow. i passed with a C. Servers hinky this morning?
Anyone else having trouble with loading the comments?
hah! gotta a zed without even trying. just fired up the pc. Oh, I forgot: FITZ! COMEY! TRUTH IS BACK!
I got a C . without peeking. here’s the latest on Alan Spector’s Magic Bullet theory: JFK Magic Bullet
good morning, gang!
Good morning everybody! I Think Ted Stevens forgot to start the Tubes this morning…
good morning, gang!
when is the traditional media going to connect the dots between fired USAs, bogus “voter fraud” and battleground states?
anybody gonna be in DC today? Leahy has another subpoena party on tap for 10 am. and has anybody seen DOJ’s response on the Rove Emails (they reportedly said “we dont have them, you might ask Karl”).
I think that was a pretty easy quiz, except for some reason I thought you were testing us on things said last year, and not last week.
The Ron Paul quote was encouraging in that he said what someone in government should have been saying for a long time. But it was also discouraging because it was followed by a quick one-liner by Rudy 9/11 Guilliani aiming to make Ron Paul look like an idiot for even trying to have a rational conversation about terrorism – and then the audience cheered Guiliani for his bullshit highmindedness.
Got most of them. Missed McConnel and couldn’t figure out how many of the repiblictoads were into torture.
Didn’t watch the “debate” why bother?
Good morning!
tommy yum @ 9
Morning Tommy, {{{{{Esten and all the Yums}}}}}
Answer: about the same time they start covering the A*P*C spy trial instead of covering up. Anybody seen anything newer than April ?
Anyone on from Ohio (ANYONE COULD CALL)? Congressman Zack Space will be on Washington Journal at 9 a.m. I will be trying to get through to ask why he voted NO on the McGovern Bill? Space took the seat of Bob”naughty” Ney in Ohio. Many of us worked really hard for him to win this seat. Many of us are very upset with his vote.
Anyone else willing to try to call or E-mail?
1-202-737-0002
tommy yum @ 10
Answer: See no evil, hear no evil, speak no truth. :-(
Well, I got 6 out of 8 (I think I used to do better with “My Weekly Reader”).
-MS
Madness!
The system is obviously bifurcating. I still can’t get over the fact that a rethug candidate, Ron Paul (a guy I never heard of before this week), is making real sense and sounding almost exactly like another little known Democratic candidate, Gravel.
The truth can cross party lines, if people are willing to see it and tell it.
The Toobz are really slow this a.m. But not to worry, we have top people working this. “Who?”
“Top people.”
Good morning everyone. If you guys are getting “C” grades, there is no hope for the planet.
Yeah the wheels have come off the Bush buggy. Amazing, you would think they were all (except Ron Paul) trying to be elected the most unamerican president ever.
It is indeed morning in America, isn’t it? And this is just a drive-by; my Thursday $.02.
What’s interesting to me is that 7 of the 8 statements are fairly straightforward.
Tony Snow, however, needs a refresher from George Orwell:
The whole essay – Politics and the English Language – speaks to the modern GOP, and to Doctor Frank Luntz, who was so memorably awful on Real Time last week. Orwell had them nailed 61 years ago.
Hey,
Anyone read in WaPo that they only found one email between Rove and the DOJ? They’re obviously doing a stand up job over there keeping records of their activities. Nobody remembers anything, and just to make sure, it appears that no one writes anything down either.
GeorgeSimian @ 14
That bit was EXACTLY the reason, distilled into a soundbite, why Giuliani should NOT become their primary winner — but that’s assuming what we currently call the Republican Party has any rational constituency left.
The Repugs call Ron Paul a libertarian freak, if that’s another indicator about his leanings and his fit within his own party.
We promise not to peak until the first week in Nov. 2008
but for now, while the Repubs fall and fall, we can’t resist peeking.
Next list, today’s Post page A17
who said a good leader leads away from fear…
Blumenthal is right on target today
http://www.salon.com/opinion/b…..7/loyalty/
The only rational voice in the whole smarmy GOP field: Ron Paul.
hey scarecrow, is that you and Redd a few years back? seriously, I see Monica is coming to visit the House Judiciary Committee next Wednesday. any and all advance questions are welcome. leave them here or at emptywheel’s place TNH Monica Testimony
Rayne @ 23
The press got an “F” for its reporting of that moment. They saw it as a great “win” for Guiliani, as though were rating a debate and not evaluation potential Presidents. The guys on CNN were all saying Rudy stole the debate from McCain with is retort, instead of asking whether what he said misrepresented Paul (it did) and whether it made any sense (it didn’t). But it got lots of cheers from the Fox audience.
GeorgeSimian @ 24
They (WH, DOJ and RNC) are clearly playing a delaying action. Nothing’s really going to happen until Leahy and Conyers freak out on their ass. Otherwise they’ll just run out the clock and send their anklebiters out to complain about a tempest in a teapot.
Comey, although he wouldn’t explicitly go there, basically gave us a heads-up (or confirmation) that there was more than one domestic spying program, and dollars-to-donuts that one involved the FBI spying on political opponents.
Inasmuch as this administration’s primary goal has been to install monocratic rule, all roads lead to Rove. A cancer on our Republic.
Good Morning Scarecrow,
thanks for the pop quiz – which I happened to ace ;)! been having lots of those moments of late !
Rudy makes for some very interesting daytime TV conversation: The View!
OT: Any word on the trade deal Dem’s are hatching with Bush?
Tompaine SNIP:
http://www.tompaine.com/articl…..e_deal.php
“
Mid-afternoon, six populist, fair-trade Democrats author a letter to the House Democratic leadership demanding a full Democratic caucus debate over a secret trade proposal that Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel (D-NY) and Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) have been negotiating with the White House. This proposal has been kept ultra-secret even from fellow Democratic lawmakers, much like the Cheney energy task force.
“
Apparently K street is ga-ga over it.
G’Morning from a beautiful AZ sunrise…
I truly hope that the more the public see of these wak-a-doodles running as GOP that more of them get their eyes opened to what really is going on
The clap louder audience though was pretty scary….
GeorgeSimian @ 24
actually, I think this is a good thing. that means all of Karl’s email is somewhere else! and you know there are buckets and bags of his emails. he’s a longtime crackberry addict.
cbl @ 30
Well done: WHO SAID THIS?
Scarecrow @ 28
Of course it got a cheer from the Fox audience, but whatever the press reaction, it shows how far we have to go to talk sense in this atmosphere.
The American public, as a whole, still believe that torturing by Bush is alright, that Bush wiretapping is ok, etc. It doesn’t have anything to do with the facts, it has to do with pandering to the xenophobic and ignorant masses who have been filled with hatred of the Democrats, or anything that even hints of a Democrat.
The Liberatarians, while I don’t agree with much of what they say, will at least provide disheartened Repugs with an alternative, as they would never vote for a Democrat. Less Repug must be a good thing.
tommy, tommy, tommy,
caught this in a McClatchy piece at Josh’s last night while trying to catch up with y’all
although it is not news to anyone here, just seeing it in print, knowing none of the cocktail weenie set has picked up on this 500 pound gorilla sickened me
tiredfed @ 34
Somewhere else too, maybe, but the DOJ is clearly lying and covering up. I don’t know how good that is.
Lou Costello @ 31
Gawd! I can’t believe I just watched that–what a bunch of ninnies. With possible exception of Joy what’s-her-name, who was trying to make an excellent point about Guliani’s monumental ego-driven insistence on putting the the NYC emergency command center in WTC7–against the advice of literally everyone (except Bernie Kerick).
If that is that “dialogue” is an example of how most people (who never watch the news or read a newspaper) get their newz, then it is not hard to understand how so many people voted for Reagan, Bush, Newt and DeLay. Etc.
server problems, anyone?
Is there something going on in the Bush world? I thought Goodling wasn’t testifying til next week.
Scarecrow -
Good morning – two or three typos: peaking should be peeking – and what is Teh supposed to mean?
I haven’t checked to see whether this brief ThinkProgress report has been mentioned in late night threads: Justice weighed firing 26 attorneys
Scarecrow @ 35
I know! I know! but I cheated.
and it’s a scream
BTW, aced your test, too…and that’s another kind of Friedman unit you put up.
Might have to come up with a different label to apply to this definition: a piece of bullsh*t that is transparently obvious to the conscious public but used by Friedman as an after-the-fact attempt to ingratiate himself with a new majority.
Can’t use “Friedman unit”, already taken. Friedmanism? Friedmanshite?
GeorgeSimian @ 39
FDL kinda slow this am. folks are working on it. Monica is on tap to testify next Wed., House Jud. Comm., full committee, 10:15 a.m.
Stephen Parrish — I’ll fix the peak/peek; thanks.
Teh is a new way of spelling The; it may have started here at FDL, but I think it came from a typo that was in the news, so it got mocked here; I can’t remember.
scarecrow – I don’t know (hangs head)
but, “top people” – 707!
posted this downstairs – it is Jon Stewart’s take on the Repub debate – spew worthy 5 min.
go to linked page, see the video window, scroll down to 2nd piece – ClusterF*ck to the Whitehouse -
The Daily Show
Congressman Zack Space(Oh) Took Bob Ney’s seat. He is on C-spans Washington Journal right now. He just said that the blogosphere means nothing to him because his constituents are from Appalachia. Call and let him know that you found out that he voted NO on the McGovern bill at Firedoglake.
He completely dismissed blogs especially in his district. Let him know he is being naive
Please Please Call 202-737-0002
does anyone else think it would be a good idea for Pat Leahy to subpoena Monica today? I would love to see her plead the 5th to every question (including “where were you born”) first, then the House Judiciary can have her under immunity.
I know it’s not popular here, but 24is a very popular show precisely because most of the American people do want us to use Jack Bauer techniques on suspected terrorists. Guantanamo is still popular amongst the American people who don’t want terrorists walking the streets.
Rayne @ 42
I was encouraged that Tom made this link; lots of folks read him. He’s prior column was also helpful, until he got to the punchline, which argued that you can’t advocate for getting out of Iraq unless you solve the alternative enery problem.
Bay State Librul @ 25
Great article by Sidney!
Could the lawyers out there or those in the know discuss how McNulty’s resigation will effect the upcoming Rosen/Weismann espionage trial? From the very beginning of this AG scandal, I have thought the Israeli lobby was after McNulty! Bill Kristol was just too excited about the scandal.
Will McNulty’s resigation cast “clouds” over the trial?
To borrow from Iggy:
Comb Suckers Tryin’ Ruin the World
Kathleen @ 47
Have only been listening to him with half an ear but not much impressed thus far. If he dis’d the blogs, that says a lot about him. Caller just said something about getting her political info from the blogs but it really wasn’t phrased to get a response from him.
Kathleen @ 47
He really did! all but
I am a blogger at Firedoglake, and live in southeastern Ohio I have posted that you voted no on the McGovern Bill all over the blosgosphere. I think you are naive if you underestimate the power of the blogosphere!
You were one of the 59 Freshman Democrats to Vote NO on this bill. I worked hard on your campaign and I am very upset with your vote.
Who lobbied you to vote NO on this bill that would have begun to redeploy the troops within 90 days ? Please provide transparency on your vote.
in today’s WaPo -
in case you haven’t seen it – could have been written here at the Lake -
Charles C. Krulak was commandant of the Marine Corps from 1995 to 1999. Joseph P. Hoar was commander in chief of U.S. Central Command from 1991 to 1994.
We’re All Padillas Now
Oops posted what I had just sent to c-span sorry
Kathleen @ 53
Hey Kathleen, we get that you’re upset with Space, can’t blame you. His feet need to be held to the fire.
But none of us can really say we are bloggers at FireDogLake unless we are contributors like Scarecrow and Phoenix Woman, or the progenitor like Jane. We’re only commenters, some of us being regulars.
I got a call from the DSCC yesterday, and the woman wanted to read me a five minute pitch while I just listened. About three minutes in or so, I said, I’m not going to support you until those 20 Dems who voted against Feingold get a clue. When we get only 29 votes, total, in the Senate, you know we have a long way to go.
Re. Space -
Thug caller said he sounded like a reasonable man; NOT a good sign wrt the way he’s coming across.
Good Mroning FriePups!
7 out of 8 — not bad, I missed #8 because I have a Pavlov’s button on Snow: Mute
Great post Scarecrow! Who woulda thunk?
I cannot get the Comey testimony and the Gonzo hospital visit out of my mind! There is so much more to this story. To have Mueller, Olson and Ashcroft so alarmed that there was talk of mass resignations — there is something very big here that I feel could be the end of BushCo.
KO had Jonathan Turley on last night, and he said what many have thought: that this USA firings scandal warranted an Independent Counsel investigation a long time ago, and this last hospital revelation makes it even more imperative. He also metioned that Bush is hoping to run the clock out on the email subpoenas.
I think as a group here, we need to demand an Independent Counsel investigation. I think its the only way we can get to the meat of this scandal/s. Do others here think it a worthy cause?
I found this brief report that has some crunchy Wolfie-Shaha news.
Riza ia available all you bachelor neo-cons! But it is not yet known if Wolfie is still married.
I guess Riza is angry and available. Definitely, the perfect neo-conservative “girl friend”.
Riza and Chalabi. That says it all. Wolfie helped promote the war, but Riza also may have helped promote the war, being part of the Chalabi entourage and Iraqi reconstruction.
Rayne @ 56
sorry about the semantics…commenters participants I hope you get my point. Reps need to know that the blogosphere adds a new piece to the equation, and Space completely dissed his constituents by inferring that if a person is from Appalachia blogs are not part of your life.
Scarecrow (58) — excellent, DSCC needs to get its crap together and promote party discipline.
While I have never really cared for the results of Repugs’ party discipline, they certainly do live up to their policies and principles (even though they are no longer conservatives but radicals). We have a lot to learn from them in this respect, demanding more from progressives than lip service. Our elected Dems need to walk the walk, not just talk the talk, and they need to do it consistently.
Quit peaking!
Sorry, dropped too much acid.
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Good Morning Folks,
So nice to start the day at the lake.
Ah yes the Weekly Reader, I do remember that Scarecrow. It was always a favorite of mine.
LibertyLee @ 47
Hey, Libertylee is still hanging around, looking for reasons to abandon his Republican roots.
You’re right, torture is popular, but that doesn’t mean it’s right. People who support torture, support it because they think it means someone who they trust is doing everything in their power to protect them. But that’s not true.
The first big reason NOT to use torture is that it doesn’t work.
And anyone who thinks that the prisoners at Guantanamo are better off there than they would be in prison, after a fair trial, is misinformed. In fact, the reason that many of these prisoners have not come up for trial is that they have been tortured and any evidence that comes out of torture is useless in court – because it’s unreliable, ie. it doesn’t work.
The only real reason to torture is to pacify and humiliate your enemy.
Okay, I fixed “peaking” to “peeking” The servers are really slow.
Millineryman @ 64
Ah, you’re the first today to know what that meant — or else everyone else is fibbing about how old they are. I loved Weekly Reader — 1950s??
Blogs (can?) be used as a “deliberative body”
Weekly Reader had better news than current media. I remember it fondly.
hell, just seeing the words Weekly Reader and I can smell the newsprint it was printed on, not quite as good as a fresh “ditto”, but can smell it just the same :)
Frank33 @ 62:
Wolfie is still married but separated.
GeorgeSimian @ 64
(my bold)
Not just useless, but inadmissible, I think.
Scarecrow @ 69
Oh, I totally knew what you meant! and don’t forget the Weekly Reader Book Club!
There still is a Weekly Reader, gang, although the content is less about current affairs than it was in the past. It’s also called “Scholastic News”, now pushing the Scholastic brand name.
My third-grader brings them home every week.
I met some Indian colleagues for lunch the other day. They say politics is a great passion in India. People follow it as closely as sports teams and they all know what the score is.
They say the reason we haven’t been able to rouse the public is because the assault on them has been slow and gradual and they have adjusted accordingly. It may take an economic crisis to wake people up. I think a second year of $3.00 gas prices might do the trick.
And, yes, they say we are in big trouble.
GeorgeSimian @ 65
i guess he didn’t get his check from soros.
I’m glad to hear so many progressives echo my first reaction to and, now, unwavering opinion, of the line-up of Publican candidates. Save for Ron Paul, they are insane.
Apparently, they’re crawling over each other to show who is the toughest, nastiest, most likely to torture, most likely to shoot first and ask no questions later, and most likely to deny the people their basic rights, using fear as motivation.
Nice.
What excellent representatives of what the Publican party has become. A writhing pile of whining, spitting, spiteful, scapegoating, hateful and hate-filled white male hatemongers.
Full of grace, these men. I guess if they could strap on a codpiece and get away with it, they’d do it.
They cannot even get through a debate without taking potshots at Dem candidates which lays bare their insecurities about winning.
After looking at this bunch, I think the whole “Republicans Are Sexy” thing is most definitely played out. Ann Coulter, where’ve ya been lately, dearie?
Weekly Reader and hey ! they’re looking for reporters
Marcy’s most recent TNH post: Which Illegal Domestic Spying Program?
From War and Piece: Related post from Laura Rozen
Scarecrow-No mid the mid 1960’s here. l admit it, I turn 47 today.
Good morning from L.A. Took my elderly neighbor to a clinic for cataract surgery this a.m. or would have read your excellent post earlier, Scarecrow. Got 7 out of 8- guess I qualify as a semi-news geek.
How about an ident on this quote (my fave in a long while):
“And now I’d like to administer the oath of office. Would you
please rise?
I’m sorry. I wish we were administering the oath of office.”
GeorgeSimian @ 65
I would add another reason to that, to intimidate your citizenry.
I love how “Wolfie Of The Spittle Comb” is now blaming his girlfriend for all this. Another example of pulsating Republican manliness.
Biodun @ 71
Then Shaha Riza is not a “former girlfriend”, but rather a “former mistress”. I wonder if Clare Wolfowitz is a neo-conservative? But I hope she cleans out Wolfie’s world bank account.
Rayne @ 74
what are kids being taught anything about current events these days?
i never (that i remember) had the weekly reader… but, when i was in fifth and sixth grade we had the NYT everymorning. 30 min of quiet reading and 30 min of discussion. not that i had a clue what was going on… but it was a good start….
Oaf of Office
When we go under, Western civilization goes under.
And if anyone can make “us” go under faster, it’s Giuliani with his macho posturing.
Go play with Trump in a dress, you prick, and stop offering to propel this country further into an insane wingnut global war on terror.
Great quiz!
Mandrake @ 75
I definitely think more of an effort needs to be made to tie these clowns to Bush. Point out that they will continue to advance the same unpopular policies, the same cowboy tendencies, etc. That is not being done now. Not just in the media, but here, as well.
We all point out how much they love torture and war, but fail to tie these to Bush. If we can sucessfully do that, there is no doubt that we win in 2008. If that link cannot be made, there is a much tougher race ahead.
Rayne @ 75
Is this the same ‘Scholastic‘?
Sorry, dropped too much acid.
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Ohhh coffee out my nose !!
cbl @ 77
We were on the same page, cbl, just went looking to see what happened to the old Weekly Reader — and you found they’re still kicking! Which means there are now at least 2 competitors in the same slot, WR and Scholastic.
Scholastic appears to be on the correct side of the global warming issue, but nothing about the Iraq War. WR seems like a pale version of its old self, with website very thin on news.
Huh. Knowing this, now I’m going to have to rethink getting the daily newspaper just to teach my son how to read it…
Happy Birthday Millineryman
Millineryman @ 82
Many happy returns, Millineryman!
Millineryman @ 81
Happy Birthday!
LibertyLee @ 49
Bewitched was a very popular show in the 60s. Many people wished they or their wife could wrinkle their nose and change stuff for the better. Many people believe that Elizabeth Montgomery is not “dead” since that would mean she is mortal.
However, wishing for Bewitched is not a helpful form of political action.
Millineryman @ 80
happy birthday!
Our tech crew seems to have fixed the toobz, and
Phoenix Woman has a new thread up and ready.
Woodhall Hollow @ 39
You people have got to stop getting me revved up on my anti-msm/pap machine! Not gonna say a word about it this morning, nope. Zip! ;)
selise @ 95
I think it’s HATTY BIRTHDAY.
Rayne,
last I heard, Inhofe was trying to decertify Ranger Rick’s placement on the endangered species list ;)
Will any freethinkers be at the Plame civil hearing today gathering info we will later find here and no other place due to the brutal controls of corporate media?
Please?
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Scarecrow @ 100
Wouldn’t that also fit Gnome de Plume?
Millineryman @ 78
Happy B’day fellow Taurus. I’ll be 32 on Sunday.
Molly Ivins was right about this Bush cabal way back when George was king of Texas. Many Democrats voted for George Bush, both (presidential election) times. And Ivins knew it. And twenty Democratic Senators voted once again for George Bush yesterday (to continue the Iraq War) discounting Lieberman, nineteen. Disgusting.
Thanks for the good wishes folks! You all got my day off to a very nice start.
twolf1 @ 88
Yup, same one that I called and pitched a hissy fit with the school district administrator about in regards to Path to 9/11.
Same one to which I popped off a nasty gram about their propaganda tactics.
But seeing how thin these little newspapers are compared to what they used to have in the classroom, I’m not concerned. They’re actually pretty useless except for teaching history, and then pretty banal stuff.
Millineryman: happy B-day!! you share a B-day with my sister-in-law, who also turns 47 today. (Heh. She’ll always be older than me by 7 months.)
GeorgeSimian @ 68
You don’t use enhanced interrogation techniques to use the information in court. You use them to find other terrorists. And as Khalid Sheik Mohammad proves, the techniques DO work. He THOUGHT he was going to get a lawyer in NY. He got a waterboard in Guantanamo. He spilled the beans.
portia.vz @ 76
How refreshing. I have to repress my urge (and it’s pretty strong) to talk politics because most everyone I know is either so terribly ill-informed, completely uninterested, or just flat-out too intimidated to have a strong opinion on anything, even if they’re liberal or moderate Dem.
I keep thinking I’d better take up some other hobby because I can’t get no satisfaction when it comes to talking politics, until I can visit with my family, which is probably once a month.
And speaking of “your Weekly Reader”, the elementary kids in the school where I work, still get “My Weekly Reader”. Just like we used. ;0)
egregious @ 101
Absolutely.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 109
Do you think they compare to the WR we got 30-plus years ago?
LibertyLee @ 49
24 is supposed to be the official “favorite show” amongst administration lackeys (just ask Tony Snow).
Rayne @ 23
I must say, I found it very interesting listening to Washington Journal the following day. Practically everyone calling in, be they Pub, Dem or Independent, said Paul won the debate. They complained a lot about him not getting equal time or attention and being ignored by the Fox commentary.
Curious.
Rayne-
How about that, the same year and all with your sister-in-law.
JF- Fellow Taurean Happy Birthday to you on Sunday.
Now off to celebrate.
Marie Roget @ 82
Looks like I’m down in EPUville since there’s a new post upstairs, so here is quote i.d.:
“As far as I’m concerned, when the Justice Department lost Jim
Comey, it lost a towering figure. And I don’t say that because he
stands 6′8″ tall.
When Jim left the department, we lost a public servant of the
first order, a man of unimpeachable integrity, honestly, character and
independence.
And now I’d like to administer the oath of office. Would you
please rise?
I’m sorry. I wish we were administering the oath of office.
(LAUGHTER)
The oath.
Do you affirm that the testimony you are about to give before the
committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
so help you, God?
COMEY: I do.
SCHUMER: Thank you.”
Comey Transcript
Ya’ know, Paul was right about our foreign policy being an instigator to Al Qaeda but he was dead wrong that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 and that was what he clearly implied.
I would caution people to not praise Paul too much on this since it tends to propagate misinformation.
What new thread upstairs? Where?
The Weekly Reader? That is a far reach back to grade school in the 1960’s for me… :-)
Ron Paul certainly deserved a “gold star” with that observation. These “debates” are so geared to flippancy,shallowness and WWF levels of response and intellect.The “questions” are often just plain dumb and the “answers” then also are dumbed down to insulting levels of repartee and smack-down,comic book expression.
For R.Paul to have put that thought into words as he did in that was a genuine credit to him.
As for the ex-Mayor of NY?–less said the better–M.Romney really sounded like someone who should not be allowed within a mile of the WH. As for the rest of the GOP “debaters”–again– less said the better.
Al Gore–please run. Please.
About number 4: We are the last best hope of Western civilization.
Have heard something like this before: “Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen” (Hitler). Translation without the rhyme:
The German will save the world.
Mandrake @ 109
I’ve found that my international colleagues (French, Indian and Chinese) are *very* well informed. They remember details of debates and elections that even I have forgotten. And they love to engage in lively discussion. It is wonderful to get their perspective on things. For one thing, they make you feel like you’re not completely crazy. If you have international colleagues, ask them to lunch sometime. You’ll be glad you did. Not only do you get another POV on your own culture, but you get to learn equally fascinating things about theirs.
Mandrake @ 78
Careful of Ron Paul. He’s like a stopped clock – right sometimes, but for the wrong reason. He vows to close the IRS, Dept of Ed, EPA, basically close down any function of gov’t (business regulation, social welfare) that doesn’t meet his strict libertarian principles.
Don’t mistake being principled and honest for being sane.
What was it that Ghandi said when asked about Western civilization? “I think it’s a great idea”?
GordonM @ 122
Dear Gordon, I wonder whether your comment reflects a fear of open discussion, because I seem to detect a warning. But can’t we just discuss what is said and what the merit of such arguments are, without fear of falling prey to some doctrine? Ron Paul warned of the plan to attack Iran 16 months ago, and I feel his arguments of ‘why’ there was such a plan being considered was very factual. He spelled out what most don’t and that is the underlying monetary system.
portia.vz @ 120
You know, I’m so glad you responded. I work around many foreign nationals but I don’t really know any of them because they seem to keep to themselves and we work in different departments. Management is mostly white and mostly male, and the developers and such are mostly East Indian or Asian.
I have wanted so badly to just go up and talk to them and ask them questions about where they’re from, the culture, etc., but I don’t want them to think I’m prying or rude. I would love to hear what they have to say. I get the feeling they stay to themselves a lot because where we live is not the most progressive area in the country and they may sense resentment from whites. I could be totally off-base about this but I imagine this is true in some cases.
I try to be friendly and smile and speak. They seem reticent to reach out, for whatever reason. I think if we actually worked together, I would have more opportunity to socialize with them, but again, most of them are developers and in a different world than I’m in.
Also, there is a language barrier. I have trouble understanding them sometimes and I hate to keep asking them to repeat themselves. I’m sure they have trouble understanding my southern accent as well.
I did have dinner one night with a girl from Taiwan, who works in a different department that is mostly white.
GordonM @ 121
I don’t. I just think that, if he’s a libertarian, he’s being honest about what he believes. I’m not a libertarian, so I don’t believe what he believes. And all these Republicans claim to be conservative, but in truth, they’re all radicals.
Scarecrow @67:
See comment #17. I got the “zed” for “My Weekly Reader.” Sadly, I must admit to going to elementary school in the ’50’s.
-MS
Disclaimer: Just because I think Ron Paul is sane does not mean that I believe everything he believes. I am not a libertarian. I am aware of that fact that, although I agree with him on the Iraq war and his foreign policy stance in general, his principles on domestic issues do not match mine. However, I appreciated very much his candor in the debates and I still think the rest of them are off their proverbial nuts.
I am not an expert on Ron Paul, but I know a little bit about libertarianism.
portia.vz @ 116
I really haven’t praised Paul on here (except for appreciating his candor with regard to our foreign policy in the Middle East). I just noted that many, many CSPAN callers (again, Repubs, Dems & Indies) were raving about him on WJ the following day and were disgusted with Fox’s handling of the debates both with respect to Paul and in general.
I really don’t want people to think that b/c I am anti-war, that I’m going to fall into the lap of any anti-war candidate just because they are anti-war. I’m a little better informed than that.
I’m not ready to think about ‘08 yet in terms of candidates. But when I am, I’m checking them out thoroughly (except I’m skipping Hillary and probably Obama).
mulligatawny @ 124
Fear of open discussion? No.
Warning? Yes. I’m seeing a lot of progressive people admiring Ron Paul, when on most issues he’s the opposite of progressive.
Ron Paul’s take on foreign policy: I’m right there. Curiosly, it’s a (nominal) Republican voicing the strongest anti-interventionist, anti-imperialist rhetoric (’cept maybe Gravel), when historically, that’s been the Democratic position on foreign policy.
Is the monetary system a problem? Yes. Is Ron Paul’s answer (return to gold standard) the right one? No – it’s a recipe for total disaster.
But please, don’t take my word on it. Check out what his real fans have to say:
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo…..8284/posts
Let me add that I’m glad that Ron Paul is saying what he’s saying about Iraq. It’s finding resonance, so it’s putting the heat on other candidates.
Most (but not all) Libertarians these days are Ayn Randians – they believe that the world is run best by the greediest, since they will maximize everything for their own benefit. It is a philosophy totally discredited by simply observing an unsupervised kindergarten playground for ten minutes.
Cato Institute is the major home of “respectable” Libertarians. They are particularly fond of “scholarly” and “honest” discussions about race. Dick Armey is basically a “reasonable” libertarian (who, like Ron Paul, joined the GOP because Libertarian Party candidates never get elected).
GordonM @ 131
Thanks for clarifying, interesting about Cato Institute – am very appreciative of this kind of differentiation.
Torture Betrays Us and Breeds New Enemies
By Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar
*Charles C. Krulak was commandant of the Marine Corps from 1995 to 1999. Joseph P. Hoar was commander in chief of U.S. Central Command from 1991 to 1994.
Michael in Park Slope @ 127
You’re right. My fault. We were so focused on the toobz problem early on I just missed you.
CNN is off the Ashcroft in the hospital story…we have a suspicious item in LAX terminal one…fear, fear, fear.
Rayne.. I am here….want to help me phrase the question?
Rayne @ 23
If the Republican candidate doesn’t want the votes of Libertarian-leaning Truth-knowers, then we Democrats should find some way of accomodating them and all their western state electoral votes!
LibertyLee @ 49
I haven’t been watching the show this year, but I have watched in past years.
I don’t watch for the torture. I get enough of that reading the news about the Bush administration.
No, I watched 24 because of it’s waaaay over the top story-lines and in-office political intrigue going throughout the 24-administration, including the President himself and his pesky good wife (played brilliantly last year by Jean Smart).
Fantastic plot and little character development is unusual and curious to watch.
Biodun @ 72
Takes a strange man to be both married/separated AND dumped by a mistress.
GordonM @ 123
No, he said, “I think it *would* be a good idea.”
He meant there really wasn’t yet a Western Civilization, despite all the PR and press it got. We’ve clearly gotta keep working on it.
That was fun, Scarecrow; don’t rememer my score, but was pleased. You’re so right about the wierdness of this year. I remember when I was screaming at Dad and in total despair. I’ve calmed down, but still sick and tired of it all and still made. There’s just more grace to keep functioning inspite of the depair. So thanks for giving us a fun
diversion and a way to not be devastated by the insanity.
Blessings,