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	<title>Comments on: $3 Per Hour to Take Care of Our Kids. Now, Hope Is at Hand</title>
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		<title>By: A DC Wonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>A DC Wonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 02:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not sure anyone answered Sewmouse’s main point.  Let me rephrase it this way:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Suppose a single-working mother has two kids.  How much will she have to pay for day care?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Note: this is not a criticism, this is simply an attempt to get more information before I form an opinion).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not sure anyone answered Sewmouse’s main point.  Let me rephrase it this way:</p>
<p>Suppose a single-working mother has two kids.  How much will she have to pay for day care?</p>
<p>(Note: this is not a criticism, this is simply an attempt to get more information before I form an opinion).</p>
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		<title>By: NYC Educator</title>
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		<dc:creator>NYC Educator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s great that they can unionize.  No doubt about it.  They will be much better off, and surely Ms. Weingarten and her patronage mill will not dare treat them as they’ve treated working teachers in this city, who traded twenty plus years of gains in 2005 for a contract that didn’t even meet cost of living in NYC.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s not so great is that teachers may become a minority in the UFT, and our interests and concerns are not necessarily the same as those of nurses and day care providers.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ex-US Secretary of Educaton Rod Paige, who called the NEA a “terrorist organization,” did not &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nysun.com/article/52666&quot;&gt;express admiration&lt;/a&gt; for UFT President Randi Weingarten because she’s improving the lot of working teachers.  Under Ms. Weingarten’s tenure, our prep time has been cut in half, our workload has expanded, our days are longer, our year is longer, we’re subject to unpaid suspensions for months based on unsubstantiated allegations, and our seniority rights have been severely abridged.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ms. Weingarten just won re-election with only about 20% of working teachers even bothering to vote.  Apathy rules our union, and patronage thrives even as working conditions are the worst I’ve ever seen.  My school hovers over 250% capacity and most of the country has little or no idea what goes on in Mr. Bloomberg’s New York.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Today’s LA Times suggested that LA teacher unions follow in Ms. Weingarten’s backward march.  While such moves may gladden the hearts of demagogues like Paige, they’re very poor precedents for working people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a daughter who talks of becoming a teacher, and I think it behooves us to leave things better, not worse, for those who will follow us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s great that they can unionize.  No doubt about it.  They will be much better off, and surely Ms. Weingarten and her patronage mill will not dare treat them as they’ve treated working teachers in this city, who traded twenty plus years of gains in 2005 for a contract that didn’t even meet cost of living in NYC.</p>
<p>What’s not so great is that teachers may become a minority in the UFT, and our interests and concerns are not necessarily the same as those of nurses and day care providers.  </p>
<p>Ex-US Secretary of Educaton Rod Paige, who called the NEA a “terrorist organization,” did not <a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/52666">express admiration</a> for UFT President Randi Weingarten because she’s improving the lot of working teachers.  Under Ms. Weingarten’s tenure, our prep time has been cut in half, our workload has expanded, our days are longer, our year is longer, we’re subject to unpaid suspensions for months based on unsubstantiated allegations, and our seniority rights have been severely abridged.</p>
<p>Ms. Weingarten just won re-election with only about 20% of working teachers even bothering to vote.  Apathy rules our union, and patronage thrives even as working conditions are the worst I’ve ever seen.  My school hovers over 250% capacity and most of the country has little or no idea what goes on in Mr. Bloomberg’s New York.</p>
<p>Today’s LA Times suggested that LA teacher unions follow in Ms. Weingarten’s backward march.  While such moves may gladden the hearts of demagogues like Paige, they’re very poor precedents for working people.</p>
<p>I have a daughter who talks of becoming a teacher, and I think it behooves us to leave things better, not worse, for those who will follow us.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 23:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can totally relate!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Copeland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Copeland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Before you conclude that your child care provider made a lot of money you should understand the she had many expenses (food, toys, supplies, gas, utilities, etc.). In addition she had wear and tear on her home. The average provider spends about 37% of her income on expenses. Tom Copeland&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-698341&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sewmouse @ 13&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I’m going to do Devil’s Advocate here, because what I see this doing is pricing single mothers out of the workforce and onto Welfare because of potentially exhorbitant rates from the now-unionized daycare providers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was fortunate enough to have a daycare provider one block from my home when my daughter was small.  She asked for $120 per week, and we provided our own “sack lunch and snack” for the kids, brought them already breakfast-fed and were responsible for their evening meal.  Those with infants paid somewhat more, but provided their own wipes, diapes and other essentials.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we left the kids there past 5:45, we paid $2/hour overtime.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, for a provider watching 1 child, that’s slave wages.  However, “Aunt Bea” watched 8 kids.  That’s $960 per week plus overtime (although rare), and most of the kids were in school for at least a good 4 or more hours a day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I’d had to pay “minimum wage” to Bea to watch my daughter, I would not have been able to afford to feed or clothe or house either of us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hearing about this unionizing - especially here in Illinois - makes me exceptionally glad that my daughter is grown and I don’t have to worry about that anymore.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you conclude that your child care provider made a lot of money you should understand the she had many expenses (food, toys, supplies, gas, utilities, etc.). In addition she had wear and tear on her home. The average provider spends about 37% of her income on expenses. Tom Copeland</p>
<p><a href="#comment-698341"><em>Sewmouse @ 13</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I’m going to do Devil’s Advocate here, because what I see this doing is pricing single mothers out of the workforce and onto Welfare because of potentially exhorbitant rates from the now-unionized daycare providers.</p>
<p>I was fortunate enough to have a daycare provider one block from my home when my daughter was small.  She asked for $120 per week, and we provided our own “sack lunch and snack” for the kids, brought them already breakfast-fed and were responsible for their evening meal.  Those with infants paid somewhat more, but provided their own wipes, diapes and other essentials.</p>
<p>If we left the kids there past 5:45, we paid $2/hour overtime.  </p>
<p>Now, for a provider watching 1 child, that’s slave wages.  However, “Aunt Bea” watched 8 kids.  That’s $960 per week plus overtime (although rare), and most of the kids were in school for at least a good 4 or more hours a day.</p>
<p>If I’d had to pay “minimum wage” to Bea to watch my daughter, I would not have been able to afford to feed or clothe or house either of us.</p>
<p>Hearing about this unionizing &#8211; especially here in Illinois &#8211; makes me exceptionally glad that my daughter is grown and I don’t have to worry about that anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka Springs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/05/17/not-codpiece-enough/&quot;&gt;new thread&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/05/17/not-codpiece-enough/">new thread</a></p>
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		<title>By: brendancalling</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendancalling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My ex and I pay $45/week for subsidized day care in canada.  While I am glad that unionized childcare workers will make more money, I would much rather see some articles talking about subsidizing day care here in the United States. In  Philadelphia, I would have to pay $300/ week AT LEAST for day care.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My ex and I pay $45/week for subsidized day care in canada.  While I am glad that unionized childcare workers will make more money, I would much rather see some articles talking about subsidizing day care here in the United States. In  Philadelphia, I would have to pay $300/ week AT LEAST for day care.</p>
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		<title>By: Oklahoma kiddo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oklahoma kiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush said of Blair today: “He is a respected man”. By who Mr. President? Certainly not you.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;AP - Steadfast allies President Bush and Tony Blair on Thursday strongly defended their decision to go to war in Iraq and to remain there, despite rising opposition in both the United States and Britain and their own plunging approval ratings.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush said of Blair today: “He is a respected man”. By who Mr. President? Certainly not you.</p>
<p>AP &#8211; Steadfast allies President Bush and Tony Blair on Thursday strongly defended their decision to go to war in Iraq and to remain there, despite rising opposition in both the United States and Britain and their own plunging approval ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: Oklahoma kiddo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oklahoma kiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The DLC is not pro-labor. They are in fact untrue to actual Democratic principles.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DLC is not pro-labor. They are in fact untrue to actual Democratic principles.</p>
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		<title>By: newspaperbrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>newspaperbrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-698435&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bustednuckles @ 38&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This post has been linked at DKos now.&lt;br /&gt;
Good work Tula.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Woo Hoo Tula!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DKos also has an inspiring post on the possibility of relecting President Al Gore that is a must read IMHO.  ;~)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-698435"><em>Bustednuckles @ 38</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>This post has been linked at DKos now.<br />
Good work Tula.</p>
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<p>Woo Hoo Tula!</p>
<p>DKos also has an inspiring post on the possibility of relecting President Al Gore that is a must read IMHO.  ;~)</p>
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		<title>By: Oklahoma kiddo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oklahoma kiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Workers of America unite! Do not take what Bush and the GOP are dishing out laying down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Workers of America unite! Do not take what Bush and the GOP are dishing out laying down.</p>
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