
Let's all welcome Lew to Firedoglake – he'll be covering the Padilla trial for us – and he'll be on the Thom Hartmann show on Air America tomorrow!
Seeing Jose Padilla for the first time in person – after five years of studying the man and the Government accusations against him, after writing stories and reading hundreds newspaper stories and television stories –there he was in an actual open courtroom, accompanied, finally, with his own team of lawyers. I was struck by how much more light skinned and non-threatening Padilla was than any of the photos or drawings released to the media that made him appear dark- skinned, menacing, and always bound, chained, so dangerous he always had to be accompanied by huge armed guards. Here was the man known world-wide as “the dirty bomber.”
Yet in his opening remarks to the jury, Assistant U.S. Attorney Brian Frazier speaking on behalf of “the people of the United States of American” and the Bush Administration took more than hour and a half, and never once mentioned those two words the world knows Padilla by, the two words the Bush Administration had spent five years branding across this man’s forehead as clearly as the mark of Cain: Dirty Bomber.
Why Padilla wasn’t charged as originally announced as a so-called dirty bomber? For that we need to go back to the day of his arrest and the announcement of his arrest one full month later.
It was coming up on the one year anniversary of 9/11, and the U.S. had no single al Qaeda terrorist who could be perp-walked to the cameras. Cheney damn well knew the American public was demanding raw meat-payback and they wanted it yesterday. Turning into his office, Cheney made a mental note to tell Scooter to call Ashcroft and get the DOJ and FBI lined up. He had finally managed to get the CIA to cough up a six page memorandum about an American citizen turned-al Qaeda operative.
The real facts are pretty damn close to that scenario. On May 8, 2002, just one month shy of the first anniversary of searing tragedy of when terrorists brought down the World Trade Center, bombing the Pentagon and came damn close to striking the White House, 35-year-old Jose Padilla was arrested at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport on his way back from Pakistan on charges that he “was exploring a plan to build and explode a radiological dispersion device or 'dirty bomb’ in the United States.” Now, five years later, the Federal government had made all those nuke charges vanish in the wind and allowing the Department of Justice to come up with new and even vaguer charges: Padilla: conspiracy to “murder, kidnap and main” persons overseas as part of a radical Islamist movement.
Padilla and two other Muslim men –South Florida computer programmer Adham Amin Hassoun and Detroit school administrator Kifah Wael Jayyous – are also charged with conspiracy. If convicted, the three face life in prison. It’s taken weeks of tedious questioning to find jurors who hadn’t already made up their minds. The actual trial began this week.
I’ve been following this story ever since I heard Attorney General Ashcroft’s announcement about Padilla five years ago. From Moscow no less, Attorney General Ashcroft John Ashcroft, in mid August, 2002, uttered these preposterous words:
“I am pleased to announce today a significant step forward in the war on terrorism. We have captured a known terrorist who was exploring a plan to build and explode a radiological dispersion device, or dirty bomb, in the United States. I commend the FBI, the CIA, the Defense Department, and other federal agencies whose cooperation made this possible.”
That’s when the alarm bells went off and my shit detector started to redline. I had met people like Padilla as a cub reporter for Chicago’s City News Bureau, hanging around police stations, watching gang members being locked up. None of them resembled Enrico Fermi or Edward Teller. Second when I was living in Hyde Park/University of Chicago area, I became acquainted with someone who worked at the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists magazine. I met Leo Szilard and Hans Bethe and from what I could learn about Padilla, there didn’t seem to be all that much commonality of interests and intellectual capacity.
I started checking out Padilla — his arrest, what the police knew, what the feds were claiming. I interviewed nuclear physicists – scientists with experience in both building and evaluating the dangers from radioactivity and nuclear weapons; I spoke with specialists in constitutional laws and law professors who taught the subject. And I wound up writing a 7500 word article (pdf) (cut from 18,000) for the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists magazine, Jan/Feb 2004 issue. I examined in detail the true complexities necessary to build and ignite a dirty bomb. Every nuclear scientist questioned the government assertions about how much damage such a dirty bomb might do. Not much, as it turns out. Finally, I examined the dubious legal foundations upon which the government built and continued their case against Padilla. With very, very few exceptions, attorney and law school professors believed the government’s legal actions – denying him access to an attorney, refusal to present charges in an open court – were grossly unconstitutional.
Now that the case is finally coming to trial, I wondered how much has the five year pursuit of this relatively unremarkable thug Padilla cost the taxpayer so far? Adding up the fractional salary costs of the people and prisons we have two Attorney Generals, two, four Deputy Attorney Generals and several Assistant U.S. Attorneys, the Solicitor General, Deputy Solicitors General and Assistants to the Solicitor General, three U.S. District Court Judges, two Federal Courts of Appeals Judges, law clerks by the dozen, several baker’s dozens of FBI agents, intelligence community agents, U.S. Marshals, supervisory and support personnel for the law enforcement agents overt and covert., at least three full-time federal public defenders, many court reporters, plus personnel benefits for all federal employees and the salaried of the benefits managers, imprisoning for five years including solitary confinement for three and a half years, under close observation twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week in a Navy brig, and what appears to be a six month trial in Miami, Florida, the cost to the United States Government and its hapless taxpayers comes to more than $20 million. And counting. All to justify an absurd-on-the-face-of-it contention that Padilla– a misfit Chicago Latin King gang thug – was going to trigger a radioactive dispersal device –a “dirty bomb” when the more likely reality was that this former thug-dishwasher wanted to go down in history as a somebody.
The government could argue that the cost was worth it if Padilla was bent on “unleashing hell” on the United States.
But there’s another cost involved in this case – one that cannot be measured in dollars and cents, the costs to a citizen’s constitutional rights under law.
Padilla isn’t any kind of poster boy for civil liberties. But then again, neither was Ernesto Miranda when he was arrested in connection with a series of sexual assaults, taken to a police station questioned by police and agreeing to write out his confession. The cops needed that confession since there were no identifying witnesses, no physical evidence. Just his confession. Off to the penitentiary he went. His attorneys contested the conviction all the way to the Supreme Court, with the result being what one has heard a million times on television cop shows: the mandatory warning all arresting authorities must convey to anyone placed under arrest: You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.”
In Padilla’s case, authorities questioned him for five years without a single attorney being present, three and a half of those years in brutal, punishing solitary confinement.
Jose Padilla was born in Puerto Rico, moved with his mother to Brooklyn, and settled in Chicago. He quickly became a member of a nasty Southwest side Latino gang, the Latin Disciples. He was assigned the not very intimidating nick name of Pucho – Spanish for “Pudgy.” People began to take a different look at Pucho when, at age 15 he robbed and kicked a man to death. Back at the police station, when he asked why he continued to kick the man when he lay motionless on the pavement, Padilla coolly replied “I felt like it.” He served three years in juvenile prison for that murder conviction and was released, under the law, when he was 18 –an adult. There wasn’t much around for him. He took a job as a $420-a-month-dishwasher but prison didn’t seem to have lessened his temper because he punched a cop in a dispute over a donut. Padilla must have concluded that he would be better off in a fresh location, so a year later he moved to the Ft. Lauderdale, Florida region. Not surprisingly trouble followed. While driving his car, some motorist cut him off, disrespecting his sense of self. Padilla retaliated by firing off several pistol shots at the transgressor. Padilla had now “graduated” to an adult prison – 303 days – in the Broward County, Florida jail.
Attorney Mark Silverberg, author of “The Quartermasters of Terror” has written, “In our prison system, Islamist imams have demanded, and, for the most part, have been granted the exclusive franchise for Muslim proselytization to the forceful exclusion of moderates.” So it wasn’t all that unusual that while in jail Jose Padilla became a Muslim, a militant one. After his release Padilla changed his name and wanted to be called Ibrahim, and later Abdullah al Muhajir. He was befriended by Adham Hassoun, an outspoken and fanatical supporter of Palestinian causes including two charities – The Benevolence International Foundation and the Global Relief Foundation – both of which had been under investigation by the FBI for years. Padilla studied Arabic for a while at the Darul Uloom Institute in Pembroke, Florida. By becoming a disciple of Hassoun, Padilla couldn’t have been more obvious as a Radical Muslim Convert; he couldn’t have been more obvious if he had painted a Red Crescent moon on his forehead. It was post 9/11 and the FBI, CIA, NSA, DOD and everyone in the “community” was aware of Padilla.
The next twelve years took Jose Padilla on a convert’s trip through the Islamic world, traveling through the Middle East. The federal government, in an unsigned six page summary of Padilla’s travels and al Qaeda agent-training, he attended the haji in Saudi Arabia, toured Egypt and then on to Yemen, where, the document claims, Padilla met “the Recruiter” who accompanied him to “the Sponsor” who in turn escorted Padilla to Afghanistan, and then onto Pakistan, to meet with hard core al Qaeda members. They must have been much amused by this young American eager-to-please-eager-to learn, terrorist wanna-be who fervently, as the government alleges, signed for membership in al Qaeda on the dotted line, attended an al Qaeda training camp and became familiar and weapons-proficient with the Kalashnikov, AK-47, G-3, M-16, Uzi and submachine guns, as well as spy-sophisticated, absorbing new techniques in communications, camouflage, clandestine surveillance, explosives (C-4,) dynamite, mines. While traveling with “the Sponsor,” Padilla was meeting a whole range of people the United States Government had an interest in: Abu Zubaydah, al Qaeda military commander Abu Hafs al Masri, aka Mohammed Atef. There were discussions about dirty bombs and blowing up high rise apartment buildings by exploding stoves, according to the anonymous document, perhaps even a visit to a web site that described How to Build a Dirty Bomb. Google offers 1,350,000 links. According to the document even some of the al Qaeda honchos had trouble believing Padilla was capable of doing what he claimed he could. If their leaders of the terrorist movement had problems with believing Padilla, it seems to be the United States intelligence community buying into that story. They knew that it was just downright foolish to believe Padilla as a newly packaged Islamic combination of Rambo and Robert Oppenheimer.
Had they found such a serious terrorist’s threat, just in time to save thousands of Americans from annihilation? Or had they just grabbed the closest low hanging fruit that had already dropped to the ground and called it a dirty bomber?
(With Rachel M. Koch)
Lew can be reached at lew dot koch at gmail dot com.
(Still from Exhibit E, Docket No. 695, Filed December 1st, 2006 – USA et al vs. Hassoun et al, U.S. District Court, Southern District of Florida;)
Related posts:
- Court Allows Padilla Suit Against Yoo to Proceed
- Supreme Court Will Hear Uighur Case
- McCain, Lieberman Schooled on Rule of Law by Kris, Johnson
- Tortured Logic: Judge Richard Leon Delivers Habeas Smackdown
- Jawad, Ghailani Cases Challenge US Torture Under Rule of Law
zed?
Welcome Lew! It’s great to have you on the FDL team!
superior work! please keep going! we’re all watching and keeping notes…
Welcome to FDL.
Once again, I’m more and more embarrassed by the actions of my government, purportedly in my name and for my protection. May Dog forgive them as I’m not sure I can.
Welcome, Lew.
Welcome to FDL, Lew! Thank you so much for doing this.
I am transfixed! I need more!
Wow, Lew, Great Work!!!!
He just sounds like a gang kid, but a muslim one. There’s a zillion gang kids who don’t get tortured and all that. He should have real rights from the constitution.
Hi Lew!
Lew, welcome to the Lake!
Thanks to you and Rachel for this work.
Hope y’all both stop by often.
9/11 helped to uncork a savage bloodlust in America that has only grown worse since then.
We witnessed, last night, the top tier Republican candidates cheered on as they advocated unrestrained torture and imprisonment without legal recourse.
The only two men who spoke of restraint and who repudiated torture were, on those points met with stony silence and were later ridiculed by most of the right wing spin machine.
We have repeatedly heard the far right claim that those who have opinions, beliefs and tactics for dealing with terrorism other than theirs are traitors and are complicit with Al Qaeda.
Seems to me they are saying that large numbers of Americans could and should be arrested and held without charge and without counsel until further notice.
Padilla was the test case.
There will be more to come unless America regains its’ collective sanity.
-GSD
Welcome to the lake, Lew and thank you.
Or had they just grabbed the closest low hanging fruit that had already dropped to the ground and called it a dirty bomber?
If this might be the case, who do you think “they” are??? Do you think it is a “policy” or people operating inside or outside of the legal system. How could this be legally justified. Someone must know if legalities are being bypassed in order to present someone as an “example”. Oh, yeah…I just heard about people bypassing legalities..
Quite a column, eh? lots to chew on there!
Lew, didn’t the ‘Dirty Bomb’ charges get thrown out, immediately, by the Prosecution, before the first Judge could even review the case!!! I mean it was awhile before Padilla, and/or his case, even saw a Judge!!! And those charges weren’t even among them, right???
Lew:
Nice post. If they can take Padilla’s liberties, they can take anyone’s. (That’s why I’m not for gun control.)
sonate @ 18
how would a gun help padilla? they would have just sent more cops and prob shot him then and there.
Is Lew here? If so I am curious about Padillas condition or demeanor? Did he say anything?
Is that a file photo or are guards actually wearing those masks in the courtroom?
Thanks Lew. Looking forward to the rest of your coverage of the trial.
SnarKassandra @ 19
Cassie, I believe Sonate was saying they wouldn’t take His/Her liberties without a fight/gunfight!!!
I don’t think this is OT. A british judge on a british terror trial has to halt proceedings because he doesn’t understand what a “web site” is. You can’t make this stuff up…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/sec…..SqKdgjtBAF
Eureka Springs @ 20
I was going to ask the same thing, what did he seem like?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 23
Did someone inform him it is made up of a bunch of toooobz?
Thanks for all the background, Lew. I’m wondering how much of the “evidence” the government has is admissible? How much was obtained after denial of Miranda rights and use of “interrogation techniques?” Looks like a massive “fruit of the poison tree” case.
GSD @ 13
Hi GSD…yes, this was one of the little toxic bits I caught last night. Yeah! Let’s torture ‘em! Payback for 9/11! I really worry for the soul of the nation.
Lew Koch: thank you for sharing your trial and background notes at FDL. Every arrested suspect, creep or not, deserves a trial.
The little MSM notice that I see is simply the trial of Jose Padilla, suspected terrorist, starts this week. No mention of shredding the constitution along the way.
LS @ 25
Yeah, send Ted Stevens to explain the TOOBZ to him, that’s the ticket.
Elliott @ 24
Especially since the Defense tried to plea an Insanity plea, i.e. unfit to take the stand in his own defence!!!
This is such an unbelievable story. Padilla could never get justice, it’s too late.
I can’t believe there aren’t participants in this “fiasco” who have a guilty heart and need to heal that heart. confess.
Eureka – I know Lew is reading … and I think he’ll pop in to say hi. Probably catching up with the comments as we type.
Hey guys:
but yeah, how was Jose in person?
Has anyone read anything in depth on Padilla’s childhood?
I am Jose Padilla.
… and so are each of you.
do-si-do @ 32
Just to clarify: how was Jose’s demeanor & condition…I caught that he was paler than previous pics and had a pack of lawyers. I did read it :) was he curious about who was there, look around, hunkered down, unresponsive or what? just curious.
Thanks Lew. Excellent refresher on Padilla.
What about Mr Padillas family…are they able to attend the trial?
dear goddess, I know its the thirty seventh time today…but I am so ashamed…so so very ashamed
I’m still reeling a bit from the Bush ordered attempt to thrust a paper for the desperately ill attorney general Ashcroft to sign in a haze from his intensive care room. Not sure I can handle another bad new bogus stunt by these sociopaths that they seem to have in store for the Padilla trial.
Please can’t we just impeach these cretons and take our beleagured country back sooner than later?
no picture of the bush administration reveals that it is a functioning dictatorship
better than the picture of jose padilla -
in a prison jump suit
eyes and vision suppressed
ears and hearing suppressed.
this is an american citizen, folks.
his government, our government, treated him this way.
but, and most importantly,
this citizen has been, and is being, imprisoned under psychologically inhuman conditions,
conditions intended to drive him mad,
expressly to insure that, in the future,
he cannot, or will not out of fear,
recount the experiences he has been thru at the hands of the united states military.
though padilla is an american citizen,
both our president and the federal courts have denied him the right of habeas corpus.
why should any of us care about this young chicago hood?
because, dear fellow citizens,
padilla sets the precedent.
this time it was padilla the “dirty bomber”,
a citizen used to create an administration talking point intended to supplement the “uranium from niger” scam george bush put over on us to justify the iraq invasion.
the next time it won’t be padilla who’s designated an “enemy combatant”,
but one of us.
one of us foolish enough to openly express personal opposition to one of george bush’s dictatorial approaches to an american domestic, or foreign, policy issue.
Chubby boy who grew up to be a terrorist
TeddySanFran @ 34
Exactly. Now any US citizen can be picked up and throw in the hall of horrors and no one will know where you are. Very scary.
Except to debate-attending GOPers. Time for a gin fizz dahling. Here’s lookin’ at you, Gonzo!
To all who welcomed me, my deep thanks.
To Dakine01 #5 for methe emotion is anger.
To GSD #13 — This is the third time for me: McCarthy. the mid-60s through to Nixon land, and now, killing the Constitution slowly.
To LS #15 — “they” are the people elected to office who believe that the citizen only obligation is to “serve them at their pleasure.” Not on my watch!
TeddySanFran @ 34
Just have Shrub, Deadeye, and/or, AGAG declare you a threat, Poof… Sad state of affairs….
TeddySanFran @ 34
OK…I thought I was Spartacus…
I doesn’t sound like Padilla was the neighborhood tuff.
Hi Lew,
Thank you sooo much!
TeddySanFran @ 34
I was just sitting here thinking exactly that. He is the example. He is the one that in countries where tyrants rule, the one that gets hung out in the public square for all to see, in order to scare and control the population into submission. Now that they have graciously made his treatment legal…well, the whole country is at risk at the whim of POTUS’s moods.
Elliott @ 45
Probably not the neighborhood junior nuclear physicist, either.
neurophius @ 44
No I’M Spartacus AND I’m Jose Padilla.
HotFlash @ 48
Neighborhood fall guy/scape goat maybe?
Hi Elliott,
(I write this kindly!) I don’t think Padilla’s childhood, good or bad, is an issue. I often ruminate about these kinds of things when someone is picked up for domestic murder etc, but in this case, it’s a non-starter for me. All of his rights as a US citizen were denied.
Thank you, Mr. Koch, for this excellent summation of what has gone on the past few years with the Padilla case. Reading bits and pieces does not give a person the continuity or complete background of the story. The juxtaposition of the Ashcroft revealed in Comey’s testimony yesterday and the Ashcroft of the Padilla case is mind blowing.
Is FDL going to live blog the trial?
do-si-do @ 51
RIGHT!
HotFlash @ 48
perhaps not! ;)
I’m trying to understand how it came to be that he went from a quiet kid to chronoic jailbird. sullen, maybe? angry, perhaps? something inherited?
do-si-do @ 51
Amen, Lady Justice has a blindfold on for a reason… and no longer an exposed busom!!!
Welcome Mr and Ms Koch, and thanks to Siun for enabling this connection for us. Apparently TradMed is taking a pass on Padilla’s (our) trial.
I really appreciate FDL providing us with the real story.
stunning report
one blip- 12 months rather than years?
It was post 9/11 and the FBI, CIA, NSA, DOD and everyone in the “community” was aware of Padilla.
The next twelve years took Jose Padilla on a convert’s trip
Ctuttle #17 This is Padilla’s first appearance in a courtroom. He has never had the opportunity to confront the dirty bomb charges. Others have asked how he looks. In his suit and tie, he looks just like another assistant United States attorney.
A small number of his family attends.
Those photos you’ve seen of him eyes masked, ears muffled, shackled is just the tip of the iceberg. The 3 1/2 years in the brig amount to torture. There is no other word for it except that…torture.
Lew, Thank you for your work, however there are some immediate problems of chronology and I haven’t finished your summary.
I’ve done enough writing myself, hopefully this is just a mess of transposed paragraphs as you pulled together old pieces for your summary and rushing to get to us.
My first problem was this ” The real facts are pretty damn close to that scenario. On May 8, 2002, just one month shy of the first anniversary of searing tragedy of when terrorists brought down the World Trade Center, bombing the Pentagon and came damn close to striking the White House, 35-year-old Jose Padilla was arrested at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport …”
The announcement was August, just one month shy of the anniv., wasn’t it, as I think you reference further on? So why are we getting this with May?
But then later in your story we have Padilla in prison (or county jail?) in Broward for 303 days, with no year mentioned. Yet you say it’s post 9/11, and make a big deal of it to say that all intelligence agencies would be watching a recruit of this radical imam. And then all of a sudden you say “The next twelve years took Jose Padilla on a convert’s trip through the Islamic world, traveling through the Middle East. The federal government, in an unsigned six page summary of Padilla’s travels and al Qaeda agent-training, he attended the haji in Saudi Arabia, toured Egypt and then on to Yemen, where, the document claims, Padilla met “the Recruiter” who accompanied him to “the Sponsor” who in turn escorted Padilla to Afghanistan, and then onto Pakistan, to meet with hard core al Qaeda members.”
Maybe it was the next twelve months? If it was 12 years, that would take his recruitment long before 9/11 and every intelligence agency would not be watching. But it couldn’t even have been twelve months since according to what you’ve told us the arrest was 8 months after 9/11 and the announcement of arrest was 11 months after.
So I’m having real trouble with your goodness as a reporter and writer here. Mistakes do happen, I can’t proofread my own work because I know how it’s supposed to be and my eye goes over the mistake, but can we please get this straightened out?
It was a long time ago, but I did get Highest Honors in History from a branch of major state U., I did spend 10 years in business writing, and I still have hopes & high standards …
do-si-do @ 51
Oh of course, what matters so much, is the unAmerican criminal treatment of an American citizen.
I also want to understand the person, is all.
and you are kindly! :)
Hi everybody! Mr. Koch,it’s truly an honor to have you on the case, and if you wouldn’t mind speculating, what has to happen to establish a general understanding, politicians and people alike, that this type of behavior by the government CANNOT be allowed?
Lew Koch @ 58
Yes I heard about that. Solitide for weeks at a time.
(((Elliott)))
OK, will check in some more later on, everyone. Let’s be careful out there!
Lew Koch @ 58
I was referring to his case, IIRC, didn’t a Judge Jackson scold DoJ for inaction and habeus violations, etc…
Let’s call a spade a spade. Jose Padilla at 15 killed a man in a robbery attempt. Later, after he was released from juvenile prison, he got into a fight with a policeman over a donut. Yes, you read that right, a donut. And when a Florida driver cut him off, he fired shots at him — for which Padilla wound up in the Broward County (Florida) jail for 303 days. Nevertheless, this is not the record of a man who can build and detonate “a dirty bomb.”
Lew Koch @ 65
or someone you’d assign the task to!
Thanks Lew.
I love my country, but I sure don’t like it very much right now.
Lew Koch @ 65
And certainly not worth the wholesale shredding of the Constitution for.
Daily we get additional proof that the Bushies do not see themselves as servants of a Republic, but as feudal lords with all the priveleges thereof.
Padilla’s brother was being used as an asset. Little bro was originally being given high visibility status to provide plausible cover for developing a lead with others in custody and overseas.
More than likely the press scared AQ off and they used his bro for other purpose afterwards. Such information in and of itself can clue the best who stand vigil and watch to when ‘they’ are onto you, via change of modus operandi.
There’s something to learn, but it still remains a case that has morphed and grown out of control.
My contention is that Padilla turned already, was an asset, was becoming a plausible prop, and when the media latched onto his initial use the Rove machine ran away with it. His exemplary treatment, as a way to score points on the home front, provide justification for parallel programs and polling separation, became inseperable for his other possible uses in culturing leads abroad.
The Padilla treatment deals with a secuirty leak regarding AQ Khan and proliferate concerns of rogue states and nukes.
His bro was in Pakistan, the ISI probably jumped the shark when Tenet needed to provide a “slam dunk.” The Padilla case itself has so many hoples that a regular prosecution could not be followed on normal manner. It’s clear they needed people to shape a narrative and this was a high profile opportunity.
We let the word out on AQ Khan to use Padilla as a prop for the war play.In return for letting Pakistan accelerate its nuke program unabated, they helped us w/Padilla, and essentially did some internal damage control as a side effect.
Bush has fumbled more times over Padilla than any other court case aside from the Al Qaeida prosecutions in Germany. Those were based on the assumption of US attorney cooperation, when Ashcroft could not find legal justification here or there, on the more generous world standards, he basically shut that down like he withheld a signature.
It all comes back and touches the same base, regarding “The Base.”
Padilla once fired shots at a man and Dick Cheney once fired shots at a man.
Which one is more likely to explode a dirty bomb?
Lew Koch @ 65
Which makes him perfect for this administration. He can be the test case for US Citizens to lose rights since people will see his history and write him off.
Thanks, Lew!!! And welcome back to the Lake!
Bob in HI
I weep no tears for Jose Padilla, but for the “collateral damage” of the case-the Bill of Rights. Padilla doubtless deserves a cell, and also deserves to be sentenced to it by the time-honored process that all patriotic Americans hold dear. Next time it may not be a misguided gang-banger. Remember the Congressman who called the National Education Association a “terrorist organization?”
Eureka Springs @ 20
Don’t know if this has been answered, but the pic is from when they took him to the dentist
More
Thanks for your insight Lew.
What is the most compelling thing about this case to you?
In a vague way his story reminds me of La Femme Nikita, where a street junkie criminal is jailed, sentenced to death and then secretly taken away and re-programmed into an assassin. In Padilla’s case they knew he was a stupid low class criminal of poverty and if the analogy is correct they would’ve LET him be brain-washed in jail by an Imam, so they could send him out to the Al Qaeda world and somehow gather information for them (CIA), though how that information would’ve been collected isn’t at all clear. He certainly couldn’t have done that sort of mission knowing what it was about. He had to be unaware he was a walking microphone.
So, was he at any time unconscious or in surgery?
When did the radical Imams enter the prisons?
Who okayed this radical Islamic teaching?
How long was he out of US custody after he came back from his Al Qaeda training trip?
Could this very far-fetched theory be carried out by today’s goofy Bushie government?
When was Padilla in prison? Was it before Bush took office?
In these surreal times a person’s imagination tends to run wild. If only those fantasies weren’t all later proven to be true, then I could stop believing and just rest and let them be merely fantasies.
Bob Schacht @ 72
Hiya Bob! How is Hawaii today?
Wow, Lew. I look forward to more of your information. Thanks.
naschkatze – while we’d love to live blog the trial, we don’t have the resources for that esp since it’s expected to be a very long one.
But Lew will be covering and reporting to us several times a week – he’s got the connections and the in’s to get the story for us.
Pacific Coast Ron – since I did the copy edit on this, I may have missed something and will go back and double-check – but I also think you need to reread – the flow of the column seems quite clear to me. Let’s tone it down a bit, ok?
OT. – Via Drudge: “Former Israeli Ambassador says ‘Iran could be a year away from nukes.’” Can you hear the louder and louder drum roll?!
Jose Padilla is the second John Walker.
Mary McCurnin @ 80
Who is john walker?
The human semen-stain on George Bush’s mattress, otherwise known as Dean Broder, knows how to throw the chaff in the Bush/Rove war on democracy.
The biggest problem with the upcoming elections won’t be the gears of the Justice Dept. grinding against the electorate in the name of the falacious “voter fraud” problems manufactured by American Democracies’ enemy Karl Rove.
Nope, the big problem is the Democratic bill for voter verification that doesn’t stand up to the scrutiny of Dean Broder’s “independant” analyst….A man who’s credentials include heading the Republican Party in Kansas and being a poltical hack from Texas.
Broder is an enemy of democracy.
-GSD
Hi SnK-John Walker Lindh is the “American Taliban” an American captured fighting with the Taliban in Afghanistan early in the war, brought back to the US, tried and sentenced to 20 years.
Siun @ 78
Hi Siun,
It read fine to me–I didn’t pick it apart since the gist was quite clear. Besides, thanks to lhp, we regulars are fluent in typonese. ;)
And thank you, Lew. This case is horrifying to me and I’m glad you’re here to help us get the facts as they play out in the trial.
Cassie – I think Mary is referring to John Walker Lindh
In terms of a time line, if I was unclear, I apologize. Padilla moves to Florida in 1989. In 1990, he winds up in jail for firing shots at a driver. He studies Islam converts in 1994. In the late 1990s he travels to the Middle East. Eight months after 9/11, on May 8, he is arrested at O’Hare. One month after his arrest (and no on knows what happened in those 30 days) Ashcroft makes his announcement from Moscow.If my timing is unclear that may be my error. He leaves for the Middle East on September 5, 1998 and arrested in My 8, 2002.
Thanks for pointing this out. Somewhere my typing and time slipped.
SnarKassandra @ 81
Okay, miss — I am gonna be the bad guy and say it: please use the google. There are so many opportunities to learn things here, on the interwebs and at the ‘lake, but if you want to run with the big dogs and not interrupt the thread, please take some responsibilty for looking things up yourself. Some of us are happy to spend time educating those who lack information, but there’s a minimum amount of information-gathering that’s required in order not to be the kid with silly questions.
I shouldn’t have to be the grownup to introduce you to the wikipedia and the google, because I know others have done so earlier, but here you are:
wiki
Slothrop @ 70
Brilliant!!
No need to be obnoxious about it. If I saw the Lindh part I would have known how to google or wiki. But there are a LOT of John Walkers, so GIVE ME A BREAK!
RonD #73 — What? Are you kidding –National Education Association isn’t a “terrorist organization? I…I was so…sure
SnarKassandra @ 89
FWIW, *I* thot he meant Johnny Walker Black Label Scotch……
John Walker Lindh was a young man who had left home and traveled Afganistan. He joined the Taliban and had the terrible bad luck of being there when 9-11 occurred. Our government took the political opportunity and put him in jail for fighting against our forces there. Only thing was he wasn’t really fighting anyone. He was just a twenty something screwed up kid who now has a truly messed up life. I believe there have been recent attempts to lighten his jail term.
Siun @ 85
More on the travesty here.
Lew Koch @ 65
They knew who to pick for their test case. A despicable human being who will be difficult to rally around. But, of course, you don’t choose a Keith Olberman or even a Michael Moore to call an enemy combatant. At least not yet.
Lew Koch @ 90
Lew, you are officially awarded an FDL Snark Point (TM). Use at your own risk. Your mileage may vary. Taxes Title and License extra. Side effect include drowsiness, dry mouth, and on rare occassions, a screaming horrible death. Use of said Snark Point (hereafter known as “the snark”) binds you to our SNark End User License Agreement, or SNEULA.
Cassie,
TSF’s comment was not a one-off. Yes, I know that the Lindh part may not have been obvious, and I understand that.
Still, the gist of Teddy’s comment still holds.
She got ya TeddySanFran.
Siun @ 78
Dear Suin, What did I say that was out of tone??
I don’t think it’s at all clear. May is not just before the anniversary of 9/11; and to say that the Broward County recruitment was post 9-11 yet then Padilla post-recruitment went on a 12-yr trip, well how do you know how the trip ended in 2013?
I’ve made plenty of mistakes in my writing, and editors and clients have called me on it. And refused to pay me ’til I made’em right. Hopefully these are just silly mistakes and can easily be cleared up. It happens.
Lew, it chilled me to the bone. This is how it starts…
Education Secretary Rod Paige called the NEA..
He later apologized, so that makes it ok, right?
My thoughts exactly, Alfred. I pictured that familiar black bottle, and it wasn’t till I saw the full name in another note that I flashed to who was meant. I’m an old f*rt, but I’m guessing SnK can out-Google me.
Lew Koch @ 90
Well, some teachers can be pretty scary. :)
Seems to me the Padilla case is more about moving a case through a system that now permits treatment that is considered torture and the revocation of civil rights in order to create a precedent for cases not yet tried and/or not yet created.
Certainly, if he is a murderer or other kind of criminal he should be prosecuted accordingly, but creating and then dropping dirty bomb charges, and then using that as an excuse to torture him (or more likely to justify why he already was tortured) is reprehensible. It is precisely why one constantly hears the talking point justification of torture in order to extract information from someone knowledgeable of a possible pending nuclear attack on a U.S. city. That brought us ultimately to where we are today, which is that POTUS can personally determine who is an enemy combatant based on his own personal opinion of the individual. That has become law. That is why this is so egregious. My 2 cents.
John Walker preferred to be known by that name rather than the addition of Lyndh, which was the last name of his step father.
Lew,
I’m not sure of which I am more jealous: Your writing ability or that you met Hans Bethe.
TSF@87
We know you’re one of the kewl kids here, but get over yourself.
If you don’t want to answer her question, ignore it and move on.
Lew Koch @ 103
Ah! The article didn’t mention that, but there is a HORRIBLE picture of him getting transported.
Also Lew, thank you for helping end my one-day-long appreciation for John Ashcroft.
Lew Koch @ 103
Lew, the more I look at this case and the JW case, the more it seems to me that we have maginalized people here who fell for a cult-like message and then were trapped in it. Is this a meaningful correlation about the social zone where jihadism is active, or a coincidence brought on by politicized/media justice as practiced by the current DOJ?
TSF – Mate, Most of Cassie’s questions have been good and not easily googled or wiki’d. I think your response was a bit harsh under the circumstances. Cassie has been a valuable addition to the Lake. I see a lot of questions here from far older pups that google might answer, and most pups respond with an answer and a link, not a grump.
You’re not your usual mellow self today – is everything OK?
Mary McCurnin @ 97
Not really — I’ve been rather patient, and haven’t raised this issue many times previously when I could have.
solai @ 94
Exactly. And it might have worked if their dumbing of America had been more thorough. There are plenty of us still smart enough to know it for what it is…a violation of rights.
Dover Bitch @ 107
Yes, there’s been lotsa discussion at my house in the past two days about Ashcroft due to Comey’s heartrending testimony, and I’m glad to have my earlier view of him confirmed. Thank you.
TeddySanFran @ 110
Well you don’t have to raise it again tonight. I am going to go work on my blog and IM with friends. See you tomorrow.
This is somewhat but not very OT:
McClatchy now indicates in a deeply buried note of tonights’s upload to the newsfeeds that it has proof Rachel Paulose’s predecessor was forced to resign over bogus voter fraud cases that he wouldn’t prosecute. here’s Josh’s linky:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..014186.php
So says Harretz in tomorrows edition. Kind of works out well for the Israeli government. Not really.
The Gazans are repeating one clear message: only Israeli occupation will save them. There is no other solution on the horizon.
Analysis: No other solution for Gazans but Israeli occupation
Now I see Lew at # 86, that does clear up a lot, thank you.
LS @ 102
[my bold added]
Or create one out of thin
citizensair.I second what TSF said. Totally agree, actually. It’s nothing personal to anyone.
If I don’t understand a reference, I look it up or I wait and read what others say in discourse to figure it out. Happens all the time. I learn lots without disrupting the flow for what is a rather large audience at times.
I find Mr Koch’s analogy to Miranda extremely apt. Recall, please, that our previous Chief Justice worked hard and long to see a way to revoke Miranda rights, using the person attached to the right as best he could. There will be a time in the future when we speak of Padilla — and I hope it’s to ensure our civil liberties, not to discuss the loss of them for us all.
If the United States had come forward with a fair and just settlement to the Palestinian-Israeli ‘question’, there would have been no 9/11. There would have been no Padilla farce.
Eureka Springs @ 117
Bingo! Sounds like a pattern to me (but that’s just me ;> dot..dot..dot..
From Crooks and Liars:
The US Air Force started a massive grass fire in NJ today by accidentally dropping flares onto tinder dry land.
Now AF officers are going door to door offering people threatend by the fire money for rebuilding or relocating. Why is this scary: it is what is routinely done in iraq.
THEY HAVE FOLLOWED US HOME FROM IRAQ JUST LIKE CHIMPY SAID! (Except its our OWN people, not the terrorists…)
linky:
http://www.attytood.com/2007/0…..ash_1.html
STTP in Ohio @ 105
Ah, yes, Pach’s curse — the capability of inthread commenting stolen when one is promoted to the front page.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 120
*sigh* if only
Alfred Kelgarries @ 122
So..I take it they are offering $2,000 per house? I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today (Wimpy) :P
Was it not scary, last night, to watch the repubs try to outdo each other as to who would torture the most and who would build the biggest detention center?
I know that McCain has lost his mind but he was truly brave to stand up and say that torture is immoral and counter productive. It was not the crowd to say that to.
But the rest of them (paul excluded) were downright frightening. I don’t want to live in a country led by one of them.
TSF- ygm
LS – you beat me to it! I was wondering if a burned lawn was worth more than an Iraqi child.
TeddySanFran @ 123
Far from a kewl kid, meself…..but this has got to be the most juvenile display I’ve ever witnessed on this site. And in the presence of Company, no less!
Good thing for you guys CHS is not around…or we’d ALL be grounded.
solai @ 126
I wonder who Willard plans to put in Gitmo to DOUBLE it as he promised? Not liking that at all. Me and thee, perhaps….
solai @ 126
it hurts my heart when I hear stuff like that.
SnarKassandra @ 106
Did you see the article about that?
I have it from International Herald Tribune.
They put goggles on him, so he can’t even see the sky or the sun while he’s going to the dentist.
He hasn’t been convicted or even tried yet. This is so very wrong.
And the applause, at the GOP debate, was deafening for the torture and the 911 and the DOUBLING of Gitmo. But only crickets for McCain’s first person discussion of the value of the tortured confession….
Siun @ 128
Probably.
TeddySanFran @ 133
They were giving teh base what they wanted to hear, no?
TeddySanFran @ 123
And that bothers me.
Sorry for all the OT’s Lew. The most egregious aspect of this case is that, if I’m reading this correctly, Padilla is allegedly guilty of committing a “thought crime” and was preemptively arrested because of his alleged affiliation?
LoudounLib @ 135
God HELP us!
I know, Betsy — scary, innit?!
Lewis @ 0
And I thought it was just me.
About the same timeframe, another (suburban) Chicagoan, middle-eastern Moslim, was swept up for “financing global terror”. Same crap…sent him off to the pen, no laywers, no charges, assets seized, life destroyed. When evidence was finally shown, seems some charity monies he had collected had bought some boots for some Serbian Moslems in the former Yugoslavia (IIRC).
TexBetsy @ 137
I just heard that. I’m havigggg trrrbblle peellig mah jaw and tuggg offff da floooouurrr.
LoudounLib @ 138
Everything about our government’s reaction to “the threat of terror” has been truly frightening.
I wonder, though, if teh base wants more than they got last nite at the GOP debate. It seemed to me that there was lots of pent-up demand for more torture, more curtailment of civil liberties, more invasion of brown peoples’ countries, and more deportation of our agricultural labor pool.
Are people really willing to pay $10 for a head of lettuce, or $35 an hour for house painters? I think not. So what’s their goal, here, really? Hasn’t their bloodlust for revenge been slaked by the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq? Must we continue?
Lew Koch,
In future posts are you going to write about the legal wranglings since his arrest? Or, will your posts be limited to what’s going on in court?
I’m sure I’ve forgotten many details and need to refresh my memory. Or are you going to do that for us.
Why – if we successfully prosecuted Terry McNichols and gang, Eric Rudolph, the 1st Twin Towers crew … are we now incapable of using our systems of laws including our protection of rights – to prosecute anyone?
We’re so in love with military macho, we’ve forgotten that our real strength is the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
Gitmo..I see ya, and I dubya.
This sure makes for interesting daytime conversation: Rudy Giuliani and The View.
TexBetsy @ 137
I’d be willing to bet there was some production stagecraft occurring with the sound mix. The audience was clearly mic’d and I’d swear they turned it up for the teevee audience on cue.
Something similar happened in the post-Katrina Superdome for a football game last fall when people swore that cheering was piped in to cover a majority of boos when GHWB came out for the coin flip.
.
Siun @ 144
But Dubya said the Constitution was just a g/d piece of paper, IIRC. Sad!
Siun @ 144
Thank you!!
Too bad it needed to be said.
Lew, this is fascinating, the personal portrait. Best to Rachel, and thanks for bringing your work and passion to us here at FDL.
A least there was one voice of reason at the GOP ‘debate’: Ron Paul
I’m looking forward to the next post. THANK YOU!
TeddySanFran @ 142
They certainly wont see it until its way to late.
Really well written post- Wow!
My favorite doctor is from Egypt. Since 9/11 he ALWAYS has a flag pin on his lapel. I may be seeing something that isn’t there, but I think he wears it out of fear.
STTP in Ohio @ 105
HEY.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 122
Tonight’s PBS Newshour was reporting this fire, which is huge in terms of acreage. Everything was going along fine, with aerial shots of the fires, interviews with local firefighters, etc.. Then the reporter stated that “THE AIR FORCE MAY HAVE STARTED THE FIRE WITH A FLARE DROPPED DURING A SIMULATED BOMBING EXERCISE”, and about 3 seconds later, PBS lost the live satellite feed from New Jersey.
tin foils hats, my ass.
TeddySanFran @ 142
The goal is to have Endless Enemies.
We are under ATTTACCCK!
As long as the upper 0.1% need the distraction from domestic issues.
Which is to say forever.
Loo Hoo, lets not get into that.
(sliding into the lake waters quietly with no splash)
Loo Hoo. @ 156
HEY What?
Hey Suzanne! nice slide!
Don Rickles is on the Daily Show right now…
Howdy Suzanne, Where’s our therapod friend?
I hope to see another swan dive some evening.
Evenin’ Suzanne :-)
Gunga Djinn, that does not sound like tin foil territory – looke more like cause and effect to me.
Lovely entrance, Suzanne.
Welcome your soothing presence in the Waters…
solai #143 Please read the second column which comes up early evening. I hope and think you may be pleased.
Gunga Djinn @ 157
Hmmm…the exact same thing happened with the Branch Davidian siege. An interview with someone in the know and the screen went black.
BTW: The Branch Davidians are back. (Heard on the news tonight.)
TRex is typing away madly – I believe I am smelling smoke coming from his
punysmalllittleforelimbs.solai @ 126
Panama.
Lew,
Have you been hassled in any way since covering this story?
Lew Koch @ 168
I’m sure I will.
Elliott, after watching the past few Frontlines, I think this admin has a file on every journalist and blogger. I would not put it past them to try to use the information collected to deflect a reporter who’s story has come too close to the truth.
Well I think Lew (and Mrs Koch..is she out there?) have had a perfect introduction to the pre late nite FDL family…
And he stayed for the duration. (applause)
We are all in for a very good trial experince. (considering the circumstances)
Lew Koch @ 168
Looking forward to it, Lew! With everything that’s been happening lately, it would be easy to overlook this case. So much hangs on it and the outcome–but I don’t think the media will take it seriously enough.
More on that NJ fire: Rain helps N.J. fire crews douse blaze
The gang that couldn’t shoot straight…thank God!
I have not seen it being reported anywhere. That’s not a thorough study but I’m pretty much a news junkie and I have not seen it.
New Thread
TeddySanFran @ 142
The base? They want to buy gun-shoot a liberal. That’s the enemy they’ve been taught to hate, and that’s what this is all about. So that is also why there is no center, and there is no point in Democrats attempting to placate same.
New Thread
Suzanne @ 174
I bet you’re right, BushCrew’s too ruthless to care.
It’s distressing to me that Limabugh and friends can easily get the right all upset about Hillary and a box of FBI files and yet their Dear Leader has files on every single one of us and that includes them.
Colbert’s eviscerating the repubs on the torture issue. (I mean enhanced interrogation-per Colbert)
Suzanne @ 166
Audrey @ 169
Better believe it. I was on the phone with a very non-tinfoil friend about two years ago, and we were both watching the same show, some whistleblower outing a Bush scandal (perhaps the WMD lies?), when the network’s satellite feed dropped out. My friend said “Did you just see that?” I asked “See what?”. He said “the picture…those bastards cut the signal”.
Yep, you better believe it.
Gooperism lacks a self correcting mechanism- a line in the sand that says– “that’s far enough”
It is born in excess of passion- excess of rhetoric and excess of self absorbtion.
It follows it’s own law of motion- “A gooper when headed in a dangerous direction will continue to move in that direction until another body brings him down.”
solai @ 155
My mom’s doctor is from Baghdad. Her GOP neighbors are shocked she still sees him since the US invasion in 2003. As a youth, his family fled Iraq for Tehran, and then Jordan, Eqypt and the USA, where he got his university and medical training. Somehow, though, he’s perceived as teh enemy. Aren’t these the people whose country we’re trying to make safe for them to return?
Gunga Djinn @ 184
Seems our foil hats are built out of experience, logic and an ability to connect dots.
Suzanne @ 174
And do you wonder who operates those 1,350,000 Google links on “How to Build a Dirty Bomb” that Lewis mentioned up top?
I don’t.
Pachacutec #150 Thank you for the welcome. Rachel M. Koch graduates De Paul Law school this Sunday.
She has a strong interest in the issues of International Justice and war crimes.
thanks Terry
Lew, I am really glad you are FDL’s reporter at this trial. I hope this breaks new ground for the blog and provides you with a wide and interested audience. Best success to you and the Ms in this effort!
Elliott #172. Hassled? No. I was taught reporters should do he hassling. My first lessons in that came from Chicago’s City News Bureau where I trained along a skinny four-eyed kid named Sy Hersh, now know as Seymour Hersh — yeah –that one. There was no sonofabitch who intimidated us. There was one time when Lyndon LaRouche paranoid anti-Semitic group National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC), threatened my life. Thanks to the kindness of strangers from the Longshoreman’s Union, my young children were accompanied to and from school for a while.
TeddySanFran #192 Thank you for the welcome. This is a totally new form — exciting as hell, scary as shit. Breaking new ground has been what I like to do best, taking no prisoner, second best. I learned a lot about courage from people like Alinsky, Abby Hoffman and Fred Hampton, and too many others to list in this post. But please TeddySanFran, be a though, sharp reader-writer.
If I make an error, it needs to be corrected immediately. No shame there. We’re human.
Besides the joy of working with the FDL crowd this is my first opportunity to work with my daughter Rachel. Talk about a high!
Right now, more than ever, we need profiles in courage and there is so much of that in the posts here at FDL.
Lew Koch @ 58
This is exactly on point. For whatever petty crimes Padilla may be guilty, he should be sentenced to time served, and freed with an apology from the Government. He has been subjected to cruel and unusual punishment already. Our torturers have messed with his mind so much that he probably doesn’t trust anyone, not even his own lawyers. And I don’t blame him. What has been done to him in our name is nothing less than criminal.
Bob in HI
Lew Koch @ 193
No need to be afraid. You’re among friends. Welcome.
I’m not sure why – perhaps partly because of the way Ashcroft’s initial announcement hit the wrong note – but I haven’t focused on the details of Padilla’s life and background, or much else beyond his egregious mistreatment at the hands of those entrusted with the police powers of our government. So I’m glad to read Lew’s synopsis, and understand who Padilla basically is, what he’s done, and where he came from.
I’ve long felt that we need to focus on cooperative intelligence and law enforcement to effectively counteract terrorism, rather than on bombs and bullets. But as Siun says above, it’s all about the macho (and the hate) with the current crowd in Washington, results be damned. Keep ‘hassling’ the so-and-sos, Lew (& Sy)!
I think the odds may be good this trial could come to a sudden, early end, if the government doesn’t produce any solid evidence, or tries to pull tricks on the court, as it has been doing for years now with Padilla’s liberties and rights under the Constitution. Here’s hoping the jury looks beyond the stereotyping and the fearmongering, and delivers justice, if the case reaches them.
Congratulations to proud dad’s daughter Rachel M.! A new asset is about to join the fight to reclaim our Constitution and to make our laws and international treaties worth the paper they’re printed on.
Cassie – I’m real pleased to see you, at so young an age, trying to get a handle on the unConstitutional abuse of authority that is the Padilla case. We desperately need our high schoolers to understand that frauds like TV’s “COPS” show are NOT what our Constitutional rights amount to, or were intended to be. Thank you for giving us your input.
SnarKassandra @ 76
Hey, Cassie! I’m finally catching up! Weather’s beautiful here, but that’s not news. Its twilight now, and I just finished dinner. How was school today?
Bob in HI
16 Of The World’s Biggest Cities To Go Green
16 Cities to Get Financing to ‘Go Green’
SARA KUGLER
NEW YORK — Sixteen cities around the world will get financing to “go green” by renovating buildings they own with technology designed to cut carbon emissions, former President Clinton announced Wednesday.
Clinton’s foundation has created an arrangement among four energy service companies and five global banking institutions that will result in major environmental upgrades in the cities, which include New York, Chicago, Houston, Toronto, Mexico City, London, Berlin, Tokyo and Rome.
“If all buildings were as efficient as they could be, we’d be saving an enormous amount of energy and significantly reducing carbon emissions. Also, we’d be saving a ton of money,” Clinton said.
The planned projects include replacing heating, cooling and lighting systems with energy-efficient networks; making roofs white or reflective to deflect more of the sun’s heat; sealing windows and installing new models that let more light in and keep the elements out; and setting up sensors to control more efficient use of lights and air conditioning.
snip
———-
How many are US cities??? Hmmmm.
Just got here and read the article, and I must say, disturbing facts notwithstanding, there is also a disturbing number of grammatical errors… What gives?
Audrey @ 176
Well, the Ashcroft on ICU hospital bed sure got MSM people talking…I would think torture would be “sexy” enough for MSM coverage. Or not.
“Number” being singular, etc., etc.
Audrey @ 169
Are they in the White House?
Bob in HI
Worried about losing your rights? Visit your local psychiatric ward.
Elliott @ 45
The kicking a guy until he was dead thing sure didn’t make him the boyscout, either. But it’s the treatment of the worst and weakest of us who prove whether we’re a great country or not.
Elliott @ 45
The kicking a guy until he was dead thing sure didn’t make him the boyscout, either. But it’s the treatment of the worst and weakest of us that proves whether we’re a great country or not.
On Padilla, read this.
TeddySanFran @ 34
I agree, because there seems to be something a little prosaic about Jose Padilla. Something very average and typical. Citizen X in the Brave New Velt.
I do find it hard to read the piece when for instance the word “thug” is used three times to describe Padilla. It’s too loaded and judgemental and colored by current events. And it is used too vehemently. I suppose it is meant to show some “balance.” I prefer: Padilla was an individual with problems with the law, and a violent offender perhaps. As for his juvenile record, what evidence do we have of that? He was reported to have done this and reported to done that is more appropriate and should be stressed IMHO. And as for his trip to the ME, I would like to know where this information comes from. Citation? It is more important I believe to let the reader judge how they should feel about Padilla’s life previous to this arrest, and not have the word “thug” thrown at us. It detracts from the piece, really. This is not inconsequential, because his life is on trial now. We have sympathy for the man who got blackholed and probably tortured by the government. We feel anger at ChimpCO for using this case possibly for political gain at the expense of a man his family, habeaus corpus and the American taxpayer’s money. Let us judge by “facts” that Padilla was a troubled, violent ex offender, who still deserves our sympathy for what the government has done.
sonate @ 18
Do you really think ‘liberties’ can be defended by the gun? Ever heard of Gandhi? or MLK?
Compare Padilla’s alleged crime with that of our prez and his deluded followers and ask who should be on trial.
newspaperbrat @ #38 …….
Reading Noam Chomsky – in one of the essays he refers to the Nuremberg Trials and mentions that one of the many crimes levelled against von Ribbentrop, the Nazi Foreign Minister, was preemptive aggression against Norway.
Another thing that jumped out at me was he appeared: lighter-skinned, non-threatening . . . as opposed to(?) darker-skinned, menacing. That is some loaded word association. If it was tongue in cheek, I think that should be stressed.
Although it’s an excellent article by Koch on the Padilla case, he misses what I think was one of the primary reasons for blowing this case up in the first place. Remember back in 2002 when Ashcroft made his dramatic announcement of the Padilla capture from Russia? That was on June 11, 2002. Why does the date matter? Because on June 6, Colleen Rowley, the FBI whistleblower (anyone remember her) gave devastating testimony to Congress about the failures of the FBI and Bush Admin to stop 9-11 despite warnings. Padilla had already been captured in May. The only reason for the dramatic escalation of the case was to blow Rowley off the front pages of the news, which it did. And those of us who have worked in government know, once you get a snowball rolling, it is almost impossible to get it to stop or change direction. I suspect the whole fiasco started with that decision to play the press and blow Rowley off the news.
Krugman goes into this in detail in a 2004 column on Ashcroft, which seems almost quaint today given recent relevations about how much worse Gonzo is Here’s the Krugman article:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0615-05.htm
I’d be curious to hear Koch’s views on whether he agrees with Krugman’s contention that the Padilla case started as a headfake to get Coleen Rowley off the front pages. The whole thing makes more sense in that context.
TeddySanFran #207
I understand your concern about the use of the word “thug” but in this case it is most appropriate. I was on a police beat for a year and after that, covered many gang related stories for the local NBC News station, WMAQ-TV. The Latin Kings was a gang, among many gangs who indeed ruthlessly ruled their small turf. They terrified those who lived in the neighborhood. This is not to say — once a thug, always a thug. In a later column I will go into what I think were the psychological motives that moved Padilla in the direction he finally found.
Kent #212 raised an very intriguing point via Krugman — that Padilla was a head fake to turn attention away from the front page headlines of Coleen Rowley. After reading “The One Percent Solution” by Ron Suskind, I am more inclined to his idea that the unrelenting Terrible pounding that the FBI and CIA were experiencing, that Padilla was the very first prize they could offer the appetites of Bush-Chaney. Padilla was, as I said, made his appearance as the lowest hanging fruit that could be plucked to satisfy the almost crazed demands from our President and Vice-President.
I feel like the entire country has become the south of my childhood when the “wrong” people were targets no matter what and treated in the most inhumane way and the “right” people could literally commit murder and worse and it was covered up. Witnessing blacks getting shot in the back while running away from the police never left me. At seventeen I left the South never to return to live there again. This whole story could take place in a southern Louisiana town at any point in its history. Now my whole country has turned into 1950s southern justice. I left the South, I refuse to leave my country. Thank you for exposing this entire story. It needs to be kept in our faces.
I think this date is off by 4 months.
moe99 @ 216
You’re right. It was corrected above. He was arrested on May 8. HTH
Audrey, there’s been no correction. He was arrested on May 8th, 2002, but that date is not one month shy of the one year anniversary of the WTC collapse. That date would be August 11, 2002.
Sorry. Should have been clearer. It was corrected in response to a criticism in the comments–not in the article itself.
196 pow wow says:
Seconded! :)
TeddySF@119– the Chief Justice who was a drug addict for years while at SCOTUS…needs to be better known to aappreciate elite corrupthink.
Lew Koch @ 213
The Latin Kings were big in my hometown. I sigh just a little whenever they get hyped. Padilla was an ex-King. As for the psychological motives, Jail has always been a place for proselytization. I urge anyone to read an article entitled Sight sound and Stereotype: The war on terrorism and it’s consequence for Latinos.(pdf). Here’s a snippet:
Let’s deconstruct allready. Please.
The pic of Padilla on my page has been whited out except for a strip at the top!
Curiouser and curiouser….
Wiki leaves out a lot of information on political entries – and is very, very often censored. Rigorous Intuition and a very few other sites trace and track SOME of the “edits” or ongoing censorship. I have often learned things on FDL, like the fact that Guiliani has an anthrax clean up company that was awarded the contract to really “clean up” any damaging information along with the anthrax that was sent to the National Enquier and Rudy’s cleanup crew accidently destroyed decades of files and photos in their archive warehouse. Don’t believe that would be on wiki.
Walkers father had ties to CIA. Was he exploited the way that Hinkley’s brother was by US intelligence services. Did not know that Padilla’s brother was a CIA asset until I read it above and will check to see if wiki has included this interesting tidbit and if they have, I wonder how long it will last.
The Asian shoot at Va Tech has a sister who is a part of a US intelligence NGO now doing work in Iraq.