But we need to bring our outrage into the here and now. That's because, just two weeks ago, Bush did it again. He told the American people he could authorize a warrantless wiretap program if he wanted to–it didn't matter what Congress or the law said.
Senior Bush administration officials told Congress on Tuesday that they could not pledge that the administration would continue to seek warrants from a secret court for a domestic wiretapping program, as it agreed to do in January.
Rather, they argued that the president had the constitutional authority to decide for himself whether to conduct surveillance without warrants.
As a result of the January agreement, the administration said that the National Security Agency’s domestic spying program has been brought under the legal structure laid out in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires court-approved warrants for the wiretapping of American citizens and others inside the United States.
But on Tuesday, the senior officials, including Michael McConnell, the new director of national intelligence, said they believed that the president still had the authority under Article II of the Constitution to once again order the N.S.A. to conduct surveillance inside the country without warrants.
In other words, even after the outcry over publication of details about this program in December 2005, even after the Administration came up with changes in the program to appease Congress, even though some amazingly conservative people stood with Comey when he opposed the program in 2004, the Administration just reasserted its willingness to wiretap Americans without a warrant, regardless of the law.
Comey's testimony yesterday dramatically altered the scope of discussions about whether Gonzales should or shouldn't be Attorney General (hint: the answer's no, but then it always was). But at the same time, we need to take yesterday's dramatic testimony and refocus our outrage on Bush himself, and his ongoing willingness to flout the law. Bush told Comey and Ashcroft to fuck off in 2004. But he told all of us to fuck off, publicly, just two weeks ago.
Related posts:
- Bush’s Illegal Domestic Surveillance Program Also Expanded “Legal” Spying
- CIA Inspector General Report on Warrantless Surveillance Released
- Brennan Provides Gonzales-Like Obfuscation on Illegal Surveillance Program
- Warrantless Wiretapping: Vaughn Walker’s Chess Game
- Memo to OK Domestic Use of Military Also Authorized Surveillance





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what now?
crazy. Theyre makin me crazy
Marcy!!!
just a guess… but Bush is returning to the status quo ante here, where the DoJ certifies that his program is legal — and with Gonzo running the DoJ, the certification is automatic.
Thank you again for your amazing coverage and analyses.
Once again Marcy, we must thank you for all your hard work on this.
Impeachment is the only way to remove the stain.
There is no respect for our laws.
There is no shame.
For fucks sake what is it going to take to get this assclown out of office?
My level of outrage is going off the charts!
Marcy, thank you. But my head hurts.
Just what will it take to stop these guys? Is 6 years of no oversight – zilch, zip, nada – enough for them to have put in place the barriers to stop us from running them out of town?
I have days when it seems unthinkable that we will ever be anything but who we have always been, as a country, and then days like this, when it seems they’ve already dug themselves in and we won’t be able to get them out. Evah. These days are starting to outnumber the others.
Speaking of impeachment, look this new number.
Bush at 24 Percent
Positively Nixonian.
Although I respect Comey, I believe he should have come forward with this sordid tale during Gonzo’s confirmation hearings.
If JFK were to write ‘Profile’s in Courage’ covering the last 7 years, it would be a damn slim volume.
John Kerry has posted on Kos concerning Reid-Feingold.
Former Repugs have responded to him.
Kinda helps the frustration, just a little.
p.lukasiak @ 3
You may be right, p luk. And presumably that would be a reversion to the program after the Comey changes were put into place.
But then, we don’t know that. In the same discussions about the intelligence appropriations, after all, we learned that CIA conducted a “significant” covert op without informing Congress, as required by law.
Most importantly, though, the reversion would take place after negotiating a more palatable program with Congress. So Bush is still saying he can wiretap regardless of what laws restrict him.
snowbird42 @ 13
Snowbird, linky please? I can never find anything over there.
Jesus fucking Christ, what the hell does someone have to do to get impeached around here?
Kagro X sums it up:
Just more verification that these criminals have absolutely no respect for the law. the 4th Amendment is quite clear on “spying” and “warrants” and other ideas that they must consider troublesome.
The Bill of Rights is not just some “good idea” – it’s the law.
What we need is a government that will follow the law. period.
Some reading on this:
“Contract with America: Bill of Rights”
http://www.populistamerica.com…..th_america
Marcy!!! Bravo on the Guardian!
and could someone explain why impeachment is *not* “on the table”
Rubbing elbows at The Guardian with the likes of Greg Palast might get you a shady reputation among the neocons, but it is the only way to get REAL comprehensive bareknuckle investigative journalism back on the public table.
Even if you have to cross the pond to do it.
I still smell politics in the timing of all this, and they wanted a get out of jai free “Card” to use for spying on Democrats. Outside the race for the Presidency, what else was happening in Bush’s World in 2004 that Achcroft would EVER refuse to enable?
Chris @ 16 – find intern to administer blow job for the sake of the country.
RevDeb @ 17
amen, RevDeb.
where’s the outrage?
Marcy in the Guardian!
You go girl!!!
Bush, Cheney and Gonzo have all said fuck you to Congress. Directly. Repeatedly, they said to Congress, if you have some evidence, do something, otherwise go fuck yourself.
Gonzo missed his subpeona deadline yesterday. How much do they have to hear?
Besides impeachment, I don’t see what else can be done.
Sorry moderator, btw – can you change “same” to “sake”
yes. what emptywheel said:
To my mind, this continued disregard for the Bill of Rights is the Bush Crime Family’s most outrageous offense. Marcy, your effort to bring this issue to the attention of the public is important and appreciated.
More outrage, people!
HotFlash @ 15
Kerry kos link
Later enacted legislation supercedes what existed before it. This is a bedrock principle of jurisprudence. The constitution is a statue, a very special statute, but it IS a statute. The Fourth Amendment was enacted AFTER Article II. It therefore modifies Article II. The Fourth Amendment explicitly requires a warrant:
How could it be any clearer that enactment of the Fourth Amendment modified the powers then-to-fore given to the Executive under Article II? There is no inherent Article II authority independent of the Fourth Amendment. The Fourth Amendment is an important part of what defines the powers granted the President under Article II.
I think I am going crazy. There is some much shocking, horrifying stuff we know of, and more and worse coming out everyday. The Cochran resolution thingummy (in favor of the House making up any bill that the Pres will sign) passed the Senate just now and the nearly universal response is, “So?”
Slightly o/t but I heard a clip from the Repug debate where Ron Paul actually said something reasonable about Iraq and terror and the Middle East only to be cut down by Guilliani, who put out a cheap shot and got a HUGE round of applause from the audience.
My point is, that if Bush claims that he is breaking the law in order to protect us, there’s enough idiots out there who are thankful for it.
HotFlash – I’m screaming with you ….
The D’s just said Fuck You to us … just as Bush has on the NSA …
not. a. good. day
HotFlash @ 29
that’s really really scary
snowbird42 @ 28
Thanks snowbird42.
STTP in Ohio @ 11
i could be wrong, but i think that’s LOWER than nixon on his worst day.
I think Leahy, Schumer,Feingold and the Senators we all look to these days may have to rise to the occasion and realize that they be saving our nation.
Time for a little refresher course.
Cute picture of you, Marcy. Thanks for all of your hard work. So much.
Shorter Junya: “Law? Ah ain’t gotta follow no steenkin’ law! Ah’m the Deciderator ’cause Deadeye told me so. Hack…ptui on that law shite!”
Siun @ 31
me too – i’m with you in the screaming chorus.
bad enough when the POTUS says “fuck you” to congress, worse when congress say “fuck you” to us.
shit rolling downhill?
what shall we do with our outrage?
Marcy, you have it all — the educational background, the common sense, and the guts to get the truth out. You’re the best on the ‘net.
This is awesome this morning….must make some art if I want $$
Siun @ 32
epu’d from previous post.
dems who voted for it can simply say, hey we already sent him a bill he COULD have signed. so our repub brethren are merely indicating their support for what we’ve already done. and will be happy to send him again.
the worst sort of semantic play — a waste of time, and pure politial posturing.
The sad truth is that the idiot’s not so far off base on this, is he?
I mean, he can do whatever he wants as long as nobody stops him.
And he just keeps rubbing their noses in it and still nobody stops him.
Kaleidoscope at 29
Great point! very useful as a rebuttal to the common wingnut talking point.
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Citizen Emptywheel and the Firepup Patriots:
It’s time to go for the throat, here folks…ferget about impeachin’ Alberto Gollum, Cheney and the Chimpenfurer are hangin’ out far enough ta cut ‘em both off at the zipper. Get a special prosecutor empowered or send Mr. Fitzmas up the tree after Gonzales and then start the impeachment inquiries against the executive immediately. Simultaneously, keep sendin’ the same Iraq supplemental up ta the White House.
This can all be accomplished if NGO’s like MoveOn, Citizen’s for the American Way and the like form a coalition for the purpose of organizin’ mass protests, marches and general strikes. This non-violent direct action can provide the cover for the radicalization of the elected Democrats…if they bail out on the people, they sign the death warrant for their party and this democracy.
I know that the fascists want this kind of extra-legal confrontation in order to send the goons and shock troops into the streets all across the country…but the only way to get rid of this malignant cancer is to mobilize the anti-bodies in the body politic. There is no more “third way” or middle ground, you are either with us or with the fascists…that is the choice that must be forced on the country. The only way that what is left of our “rule of law” will work is to force it to work…force it to work as the Founders envisioned but never materialized.
KEEP THE FAITH BROTHERS AND SISTERS, THERE’S NO PLACE TA HIDE ANYMORE!!
That’s the right emphasis Marcy. Here’s hoping others in media re-examine this issue.
Nice photo in the Guardian by the way.
I’m watching Comey up top here and I think all the girls wanted to date him in high school.
Raven @ 44
and why is that? hmmm…
Kerry’s posting does not explain why this happened.
Siun @ 137
Restoring the rule of law is the A #1 priority in this country today. NOTHING is more important. The lawlessness of this “White House of ill repute” must not be permitted to set any sort of precedent. Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and assorted Democratic fund-raisers take note: Not one red cent from me until impeachment proceedings begin. Do your f-ing job! This is serious! Do it now!
Can we start impeaching our senators for abandoning their responsibilities and acting as lapdogs to the president? Every one of them who supported Cochran.
Elliott @ 49
Why indeed. One fine reason could be that Dems continue to listen to consultants who are in fact lobbyists for Repug interests…
They certainly aren’t listening to us. Or to their own consciences.
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Firepup Patriots:
Does anyone out there share my fear that if she doesn’t get the Democratic nomination, Mrs. Clinton will run a third party candidacy with Likuderman as her runnin’ mate…under a coalition of DLC and The Third Way?
KEEP THE FAITH BUT IT’S WHATCHA DO THAT WILL GETCHA INTA HEAVEN!!!
I have requests out now to get unpdates on why the Cochran vote went as it did … news as I get it.
I am absolutely livid that 87 Senators think their job is doing something that the president approves of.
NO MEMORIAL DAY RECESS!
We need to pressure the Senate to do something other than recess. We/they can’t let Chimpy have any opportunity to make recess appointments. period.
I’ll keep saying this until others pick up the meme and run with it.
HEY MODERATOR …WHERE’S MY POST??!!
Norske, you are at 45. Did you post another?
Siun @ 53
thank you siun!
What’s this I hear about Marcy in the Garden? Oh, Guardian. Nevermind.
Gotta love the Norskeman.
NCBlueneck @ 51
A hearty amen to that, brother.
Where is the action on repealing the AUMF, the horrible Military Commisions Act, restoring habeas corpus???
crickets chirping.
Really, if they put their cautious poll driven (or blackmail driven) political calculating aside for one minute and realize what grave danger the USA as a constitutional republic is in, and acted bravely, they would galvanize support for their dubious (D) party for decades to come.
see http://powerofnarrative.blogsp…..blade.html
for a heart tugging explication…
Any suggestions as to why?????? C-Span didn’t consider yesterday’s Comey testimony sufficiently *important* to televise?
———————————–
JEP (from a long-gone thread) -
Impressed I am that you know whereof the Waccamaw.
RevDeb:
I have one that should show up at #54…
Thanx for respondin’.
This is just getting too old. Twenty five years ago, one of the first things that they taught me in PNOC(primary non-commissioned officers course) was the first rule of leadership. Everything is your fault. It is past time that we applied it to W. All of the failure is his fault and he should be the one to pay. Impeachment should have never been off the table. In fact it is the only rational response to the situation that we find ourselves in.
Siun @ 32
Lets make a list and check it twice…
Which Dems voted how? And when are they up for re-election? It goes without saying that we need to boost the R’s from office, but a wolf in sheep’s clothing is worse than a wolf…
Dems in the Senate who voted “wrong” have some serious splainin’ to do…
PEOPLE! Comey was NOT talking about the domestic surveillance program! Ashcroft, Comey and Mueller would have shit themselves to be first in line to agree that spying on you, me and Grandma was a good, rightous and Amurrican thing. They were upset about ANOTHER program, the Data mining program, and they were most likely upset about it because it compelled BUISNESSES to turn over their hard-earned work product (the grisley details of the private lives of you, me and Grandma). These are CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS and they couldnt care less about the sanctity of privacy. The sanctity of PROFIT, however, will get them to be downright heroic.
Waccamaw @ 63
they could easily get it from the Senate, no?
NorskeFlamethrower @ 57
It’s right there Norske, I can see it at 46.
I have to tell you, these words ring over and over in my head – Comey talking about the 11pm meeting with Card.
He replied, ‘What conduct? We were just there to wish him well.‘ “
Didn’t you see the flowers they brought for him?
That’s SOP for this group replying to everything. Card is saying this to Comey, and Comey was there!!!!! He was in the room! “We were just there to wish him well.” That’s how Gonzo is replying to this congressional investigation into fired attorneys. “Whadda ya mean they were fired for political purposes…”
When your comment accidentally trips the moderation filters, yelling at the mods will not get your comment freed any faster.
In fact, from what I’ve observed of human nature, it is likely to have the exact opposite effect.
JEP @ 66
I just called my Sen Stabenow (MI) Detroit office, either hung up on or put on hold forever. They know nothing about it — d’ya think they might have CSpan on at the office instead of Oprah and Ellen?
Waccamaw @ 64
We had a long-ago discussion about Myrtle Beach; remember, the Iowa boy who first saw the ocean at age 22?
Pat_AlexVA @ 70
What time of night did they arrive? Meuller was at a dinner party, so after visiting hours, I assume?
roll call vote on the feingold’s amendment for “redeployment”, here.
Pat_AlexVA @ 71
then how do you explain the horse’s head at the foot of the bed?
Shouldn’t Ashcroft and Comey gone to the courts with their concerns? They might have put up a fight two and a half years after the program started, but they did it in private and then rode off into the sunset.
selise @ 75
Stabenow aye, Carl Levin nay — WTF?
Waccaman – the Comey appearance popped up rather quickly so it could just be that Cspan couldn’t arrange it – they tend to work really hard to get the important stuff so I wouldn’t jump to conclusions on that.
Norske – the mods work insanely hard, give them a chance.
Any suggestions as to why?????? C-Span didn’t consider yesterday’s Comey testimony sufficiently *important* to televise?
I think Josh Marshall has some video footage, over at TPM, but I don’t know if it’s up yet but he mentioned it this morning and said to watch for it…
Viva la Blogs!!!
Jeeebus! Vote for D’s and watch them turn into R’s before your very eyes!
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003230.php
mjvpi @ 77
they were almost physically wrestling over control of the government!!
HotFlash @ 80
Just remember how many friends JoeLIE has in the Senate. They are very protective of their “club.” Club before anything.
OfT: Al Kamen at WaPo tries to determine whether Shiha Riza is Wolfie’s girlfriend or his mistress:
Congratulations on the Guardian column, Marcy!
Please set me right, someone — didn’t we know about this hospital bedside signature/authorization attempt ambush by Gonzales and Card some time ago? Is it the dramatic telling by Comey under oath on Capitol Hill that has focused the MSM on this story? The outlines are not unfamiliar to me, but I may have read about it on a simple blog previously, not in mighty TradMed *g*
Marcy, nice piece in the Guardian! That seems to be the only thing to be happy about today.
After the Comey testimony, I was sure that late night race to the hospital and “here sick guy, wacked out on painkillers, sign this,” even later WH visits and demand for witnesses would be HUGE on the teebee news, but nooooooo. Barely a peep.
I don’t know what it will take to get the attention of the networks. It’s surreal.
OT But same sh*t, just saw this…abot Wolfie.
Law.com
Gibson Dunn Linked to Paul Wolfowitz Scandal
Wednesday May 16, 3:02 am ET
Amy Kolz, The American Lawyer
A report by a special committee of The World Bank Group, released Monday, questions Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher’s review of World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz’s transfer of his girlfriend, Shaha Riza, to a high-paying job at the U.S. Department of State. That transfer has mushroomed into a scandal threatening to cost Wolfowitz his job.
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Documents released by the bank show that Wolfowitz asked Gibson to review the deal in the summer of 2005. A Gibson Dunn team, including Theodore Olson and Eugene Scalia, concluded that the contract was “a reasonable resolution of the perceived underlying conflict of interest.” But on Monday a special committee of the bank charged with investigating the scandal concluded that the limited and after-the-fact review by Gibson “is squarely at odds with the high degree of … concern for the interests of” the World Bank, which is required by the institution’s rules. Gibson Dunn declined to comment. ETC
Got if off Yahoo….Maybe this scandal will pull in a few more big fishes from the cabal. This isn’t a corrupt offspring af Antonin Scalia, is it?????
OT – msnbc: the terrists have won, Prince Harry will not be going to Iraq with his unit.
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Citizen Moderator and the Firepup Patriots:
OK, I’m gunna edit my post that was caught in “moderation”…
Does anyone else out there worry that if she doesn’t get the Democratic nomination, Mrs. Clinton will run a third party candidacy with Joe L*k*d*rman as her runnin’ mate behind a coalition of the DLC and The Third Way?
KEEP THE FAITH BUT IT’S WHATCHA DO THAT’LL GETCHA INTO HEAVEN!!
RBG @ 71
(((( mods ))))
selise @ 76
Thanks for the link!
TeddySanFran @ 85
as to your last point, yeah, the general outline was out there, NY Times, maybe, but the actual story, and hearing comey tell it .wow.
as for the first, in today’s world, what is the difference? I mean if anything, doesn’t mistress imply he’s paying her expenses? Doesn’t that just prove the point that he used his influence for her benefit?
selise @ 76
Thanks for that link.
When are the other GOP PrezCandis gonna get on Old Lord McCain’s case about not showing up for his day job? He never, ever votes anymore.
TPM has up a copy of the letter SJC sent to Gonzo about his missing yesterday’s deadline for the Rove emails. Boy, the tone of this is what I’ve been waiting to read!
Leahy letter to Gonzo
You know … I admire Comey for dashing to the hospital and all, but he was seeing the White House destroy the rule of law in front of his eyes and he – and so many others – kept silent.
I’m glad he’s spoken now – and I do think he was incredibly deft in testifying – but I yearn for heroes who do not wait for subpoenas to stand up for the constitution.
TeddySanFran @ 92
kerry didn’t either when he was running for 2004 – it pissed off a lot of his constituents (like me).
Alice B @ 88
Yes it is Scalia’s son…
How can anyone with a functioning brain think that there is an acceptable solution short of impeachment. I keep hearing the argument that impeachment will distract Congress from the focus of ending the war and bringing the troops home. Guess what? There won’t be a home to bring the troops to if Bush continues in office. Impeachment is now an urgent matter, not just a necessity. The behavior that tells us this is consistent across all of these morons – Bush, Cheney, Gonzo, Tony Snow, Wolfowitz…they all suffer from the same symptoms of denial and megalomania.
Please, support impeachment NOW. The situation is rapidly degenerating from a major distraction to one of complete paralysis. Personally, I find it difficult to function on a day to day basis wondering what new outrage my government will propose, and the fear of my own country far exceeds the fear of terrorists. At least with the terrorist I know where I stand. My government wants me to believe that it has my interest at heart.
TeddySanFran @86
Yes, but all we knew was that there was a hospital visit, and that Comey stopped it, but the details and urgency were new to me. And the 11pm WH visit with Card and the demand for a witness because Comey wouldn’t meet alone with him are brand new details.
So is this getting some attention in the msm? Like, on tv? If it only makes the papers it will only be seen by a handful of people.
Thanks for that Teddy.
It’s not just me then.
I kept getting a nagging thought that I had seen this before somewhere too.
Nice to see it splashed across the headlines though.
Go down Abu.
JEP -
Darlin’, I’d kill for your quota of memory cells! *g*
Re. available video on blogs….. being on dial-up makes anything on the toobz totally beyond my reach. :-( Other than cost, I stay with it b/c of supporting a local ISP vs. one of the mega-giants who’re more likely to turn data over to the thugs at the drop of a hat. Or maybe fly a little lower under the radar.
What a tragedy, that the greatest secular republic the world has ever seen, created by men of honour and integrity to be as close to perfection as is possible in human affairs, should be captured and corrupted by a clique consisting of bigoted religious zealots and crooked, renegade businessmen. God Bless America ? God help its citizens, more like. -posted in the comments at Marcy’s Guardian column
Three other things are important to note, as well:
1. The President personally tried to convince Comey to change his judgment, even after DOJ had gone to such lengths to repudiate OLC’s prior legal advice.
2. The President signed the directive himself, and allowed the NSA program to continue for at least two weeks, even though DOJ had concluded that it was legally indefensible, i.e., that it violated a criminal statute. (This is the big story that few are focusing on.)
3. Yes, the President eventually agreed that the program could be “modified” if that’s what it would take to get DOJ buy-in. But that isn’t a case of “siding” with DOJ over the VP and White House Counsel. He really had no choice, because the alternative was a full-scale resignation of the entire top tier of the Justice Department. Imagine how that would have played in Congress and the public –they’re doing something so egregiously and transparently unlawful that even John Ashcroft resigned over it! It most certainly would have meant the end (and the revelation) of the NSA program, at the very least — and it might even have been viewed as the equivalent of the Saturday Night Massacre. So really, the President was backed into a corner — Ashcroft, Comey and Goldsmith did the right thing under enormous pressure, and they forced the President and the Vice President to back down.balkinization blog
Well, sure, Elliot, in today’s world it shouldn’t matter, but aren’t these the Family Values people?
I’m starting to wonder if Wolfowitz’s book is in galleys and ready to print, and if Bush & Cheney know that. They’d be reluctant to have the entire enterprise exposed by an inside PNACer, wouldn’t they? It’s quite clear the WB job’s a payoff for silence.
dems voting no on reid-feingold (via mcjoan):
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Siun @ 96
So true, Siun. I work with whistleblowers and they don’t “wait” until it’s safe to talk. They have my unending admiration and, because of some wonderful benefactors whom we have gathered, a boatload of cash for their true bravery.
Meanwhile, Comey did his undergrad thesis on Falwell. That’s a sad coincidence.
March of 2004 is when the Dems were making final choices on their Presidential Candidate. Therefore, The timing of Comey’s hospital story makes a great deal of sense. EW your recent reports do not surprise me. It falls within the election timeline framework of the previous presidential election.
Now turn back to 2004 for a personal story. I was consulting for a national bipartisan group as an Ohio contact regading the election. We were due to have a conference call. Three days prior to the call our phone line started to have problems. At 3 AM after the first day of phone problems, I heard voices outside. I came down and looked out a window and saw two tall shadowy figures moving towards the phone junction box (the neighborhood junction sits in the corner of our lot). As they moved towards the box, a neighbor’s dog awaken and started barking like crazy. The men soon left in a dark SUV. At 6 AM, I went out to look around the area where I saw the figures the night before. I found cigarette butts and a matchbox from a DC eatery famous on the Hill (we use to live in DC). Later that AM, I called our phone service to report problems on the line. An hour later a plan van and a man in unidentified gear came to my door. I asked him to show credentials. He said he did not have them because he worked on contract when the service provider was overloaded with service calls. I told him to wait a moment while I called the service provider from my cell phone to confirm he was the one to work on my phone line. I was told they only send their own people in marked vans and wearing credential badges to respond to service calls. The guy was out my driveway faster than one could imagine. The phone service sent someone later. He varified who he was. He also varified someone had tried to tamper with our junction line. I reported this to my contacts, for I was concerned that this was a reflection of how the Ohio election would be going and that the term “battle ground state” was literal. They thought I was extreme at the time but thought anything was possible. Battleground state? Well, Central Ohio, was called “ground zero” in the election. How right that insight was…I guess espionage is essential in a battle ground zone and if you can manage a lawful snag of election intelligence… Nixon was an amature…
TeddySanFran @ 103
i thought wolfowitz wanted to stay until june 1, so he can get his “bonus” of $400,000.
TeddySanFran @ 86
We knew they went to the hospital to override Comey. We didn’t know that 1) Ashcroft told them to fuck off (in the most Christian way, of course), and 2) Bush authorized it anyway, without Comey’s or Ashcroft’s signature.
Congrats on the Guardian gig, EW!!
And thanks again for your focus, including in the post above. Enough is enough! These guys are gangsters!
Someone asked chatzer John Solomon this a.m. about the bonus, and he said he knew nothing. Why do we all know more about everything than TradMed’s minions?
It’s a good moment to recall the shit Russ Feingold’s putative compatriots gave him last year for raising the topic of censure in response to the warrantless-surveillance revelations.
Yellow-Puddle Democrats, with their cherry-pit cojones, fell over themselves to shush him.
While the belatedly quasi-energized Democratic leadership still grunts and burbles about returning impeachment to the table, can’t they at least do censure, for starters? (Ganesh-willing, just for starters.)
WaPo has an editorial running in which the editors express shock and disbelief about the Gonzo beside scene with Ashcroft.
It’s a good editorial for the most part- but it gets pretty soft on Bush. It ASSUMES that Bush would have had nothin to do with such a thing- that no one would have told him shit- that Cheney was to blame- etc.
That is part of the reason that this piece of shit keeps coming out of scandals alive- everyone assumes he’s too stupid to have been involved.
Gonzo gets blamed and then HE makes the same “I’m too stupid to have done this personally” move. It’s an epidemic.
A chief executive is always responsible for what happens on his or her watch- ALWAYS- and that doesn’t mean standing up and repeating the pablum- “I accept responsibility”.
If you accept responsibility for a murder- then you go to jail- you don’t just say some fuckin words and go on about your business.
Until the press and the congress begins to hold this piece of shit personally responsible for the shit goin down in his administration- there will be NO progress.
TeddySanFran @ 112
cuz we read FDL…
Thank you, Marcy. I rely on you to sort the new from the previously known from the WAG. Swell job you’re doing, as if you didn’t know!
Damitall, I can’t keep up today.
Awesome, positively groovy to see Marcy in the Guardian!! Nice work, writing in your “newspaper voice” — but I’m glad you could punctuate here with language fit for Sligo.
I just can’t understand how — other than by willful and criminal malignance — the White House and OVP can claim that Article II powers precede and override the Fourth Amendment prohibition against unlawful search and seizure, when the same Article II clearly states that the President is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not interpret it.
We are going to have to start beating on the doors of Republicans, folks, to get them to understand that this cannot and will not be tolerated any longer. We need to do it while so many Repugs also have intense concerns about violations of the Fourth Amendment; it’s pretty bad on our part if we cannot make use of the one issue that parts the likes of Bob Barr and Richard Viguerie from Bush & Co.
Waccamaw @ 102
even all the dead ones?
Mornin’ firedogs,
Y’all are busier than a long tailed cat in a roomful of rocking chairs! I’m still trying to catch up on all the scandalrama, but wanted to say ‘hi’.
Gonzo’s smirk of impunity: it’s crumbelievable!
Welcome to my World Marcy! You’re always welcome this side of the pond, even if only in cyberspace.
TeddySanFran @ 110
‘cuz they are being paid the big bucks NOT to know. and we’re lowly citizens who actually care.
Here’s someone whose job clearly depends on neither seeing nor revealing the whole picture:
just a brief “i haven’t got time to say hello goodbye” drop-by:
As discussed on last night’s thread, the phelps gay-haters WILL picket Falwell’s funeral. Linky:
http://pandagon.net/2007/05/16…..anda-king/
amazing. gotta run, be back tonite…
TeddySanFran @ 105
Me, I could believe that Wolfowitz was working their world con in the World Bank and that’s why BushCrew isn’t “resigning” him.
If he were just a placeholder there, Rove could surely find another Ranger to put in the post.
But the idea of PNAC v BushCo, as intimated in your comments, talk about civil war!
Re Comey and his role as a whistleblower.
I think the guy is VERY shrewd, and he was keeping his powder dry. He only had one shot at this–and it was to his benefit–as well as to the country’s–to make sure that when he did speak, it had the maximum impact. Don’t forget that he was dealing with classified info. That is, he was bound by the same laws and rules which should’ve bound Libby and Rove. Had he done the typical whistleblower thing, he could’ve been prosecuted, but worse, the value of what he had to say would’ve been comprimised.
It is also worth noting that revealing this program while the rethugs maintained control of congress would’ve been useless. In fact, it is concievable that they would’ve responded by circling the wagons and trying to pass legislation to make the gutting of the constitution legal, somehow.
My guess is that he has thought about all of this very very carefully, and has been willing to wait for the “right” time and place to come forward. As he did yesterday. The guy has prosecuted racketeers–and he knows that sometimes it pays to sit back and wait for them to hang themselves, as Gonzales et al have done with the USA purge. Etc.
It is also worth remembering the amazing exchange with Whitehouse regarding obstruction of justice (I am hoping that LHP will follow up on this point , hint, hint, hint!).
Teddy, yes we knew about the hospital visit. I didn’t know Ashcroft was in intensive care, that the visit was outside of normal visiting hours, that the wife called Comey, that Comer and Meuller raced over there, and on and on.
Couldn’t put this shit in a soap.
Hotflash at 82
It’s what they do.
But Charlie Brown keeps running to try to kick the football, and always ends up on his ass.
3rd party organizing for 08 – still enough time, and obviously plenty of passion and concern that cannot be addressed by the (D) team.
Siun @ 19
Because the House might be able to get Impeachment, but the Senate Repugs would kill it. And then, there would just be a historical note about tit-for-tat Impeachments equating Bush with Clinton. Disgusting, eh?
Nope, Impeachment only makes sense when you can get the Conviction in the Senate.
Chetnolian @ 120
Thanks!
mr. emptywheel–who is Irish–looked a bit askance at it. “You know it’s a … British paper … don’t you.” Then I pointed to Gerry Adams’ two recent columns. Not sure that helped things much.
Still waiting to see how the in-laws respond to it…
Oh man … what could be going on with this? Is there NO battle the White House will not join?
Rumsfeld’s Resignation Letter Remains Elusive
Reuters
Tuesday 15 May 2007
Washington – The Bush administration is keeping a tight hold on Donald Rumsfeld’s resignation letter nearly five months after the former defense secretary and Iraq war manager stepped down.
The Pentagon says it does not have a copy, and the White House office likely to hold the letter is not subject to the law that allows the public to seek release of government documents, the Freedom of Information Act or FOIA .
A defense official, who declined to be identified publicly, on Tuesday chalked up the close hold on Rumsfeld’s letter to the existence of few copies.
“I suspect there’s only one copy of that and it went to the president,” the official said.
Reuters filed FOIA requests for the letter with the Pentagon and White House.
In response to a November request, the Defense Department’s FOIA office said last month a “thorough search of the records systems … revealed no records responsive to your request.”
President George W. Bush’s office of administration, in response to another FOIA request, said this month it too had no copy of Rumsfeld’s resignation letter.
But Carol Ehrlich, FOIA officer there, said the office of administration within the executive office of the president was a separate entity from the White House office, which controls its own records and is not subject to FOIA.
Pentagon spokesmen refused to release the letter in November 2006, when Rumsfeld resigned after Republicans’ stinging election defeat. They told reporters to file FOIA requests for the letter.
First, to Siun @ 96: I agree that it would have been better for all if Comey had stepped forward sooner, but I honestly think this is a guy who still believed in government, and (to a lesser extent) those running it. Look at the way we tend to think about Ashcroft, and yet he was unwilling to go along with all this, to the point of resignation. My bet is Comey was counting on others in the government to rein in the worst instincts of this crowd. I can’t say I blame him for that. I’d have wanted to believe the same thing if I had been in his position.
Second, I am sick to death of the “[torture/warrantless wiretapping/other unknown programs] are the only thing keeping the terrists from EATING YOUR BABIES!!!!” meme. Let me step through my argument:
1) If a terrorist really wanted to eat your baby, he could. Period. There is no stopping such an action, not even in a police state. Scary, but true. Terrorists will always find a way.
2) The Founding Fathers, and everyone who fought for independence, and everybody who fought in the U.S. military ever since *all* fought with the assumption that to lay down your life for the principles of liberty and justice was the highest level of patriotism. I believe that principle applies equally to non-military persons.
3) Therefore, giving up the freedoms that are enshrined in our Constitution in the name of preventing a terrorist attack is the most craven and utterly UNpatriotic act possible. It demeans the sacrifice of all those who have fought and died for this country in the past.
Of course, this argument doesn’t begin to address the *real* reason behind the warrantless wiretapping, which I believe had far more Nixonian than protective motives.
MarkH @ 128
it’s this kind of thinking that means impeachment will not be broached again for at least a generation.
My recollection, and Glenn Greenwald has covered this extensively in the past, is that heat was being turned on the NSA program in the Congress. As a result, Gonzales announced that the program was going back under the FISA guidelines. However, two issues were left outstanding. First, Gonzales asserted even at the time that Bush had the power to go outside the program as had been done. Second, the previous pattern of illegality which the NSA represented was just left hanging.
MarkH @ 129
Sorry, I can’t buy this. Make the Senators stand up and defend destructive and lawless policies if they want to vote against conviction. We can’t be bullied any more. It’s one thing to vote against impeachment when the crime is sexual. It’s quite another when the crimes are of a nature that puts them in the class of crimes against humanity.
Obviously OT, but I’m getting damn tired of the “How will I ever live on $165,000 a year” crap these people continue to spew forth on the way out the door.
98% of the country has to figure it out with far less.
“The second Republican proposal to be considered, sponsored by Mississippi Republican Thad Cochran, expresses the “sense of the Senate’’ that lawmakers should approve a war-funding bill that Bush can sign by the end of next week.”
Y 87 N 9
I’ve got no problem with that.
There’s a big difference in sending him one that he can sign and one that he will sign.
He can sign anything the D’s manage to push through. Doesn’t mean a thing, as far as I’m concerned.
It’s a matter of semantics.
KagroX is on fire again today:
Do we FULLY understand what this means?
(emph. mine)
brave knights and awesome damsels, for the most creative spin evah on the comey-ashcroft/hospital visit story, check out this honest-to-god true opening two graphs of the coverage of the comey testimony from today’s austin american-statesman (reprint from the NYTimes), the only graphs that appear on the front page of the paper:
“President Bush intervened in March 2004 to avert a crisis over the National Security Agency’s domestic eavesdropping program after Attorney General John Ashcroft, FBI Director Robert Mueller and other senior Justice Department officials all threatened to resign, a former deputy attorney general testified Tuesday.
“Bush quelled the revolt over the program’s legality by allowing it to continue for two to three weeks without Justice Department approval, while directing Justice Department officials to take the necessary steps to bring it into compliance with the law…”
and yeah, I double-checked the byline, it isn’t ken herman, surprisingly.
RevDeb @ 84
It’s like professional wrestling. There are good guys and bad guys but it’s all just pretend and the point is to separate us from our money.
Bustednuckles @ 62
DITTO!!!
AJ — betcha Rummy’s letter’s dated before W’s statement to the press the Friday before the election that Rummy wasn’t leaving. Recall Bush later admitted to the lie, saying he wanted to get on to the next question and the only way to do so was to assure the reporters that both Cheney and Rumsfeld were staying through the end of his own term.
That would be my guess. There’s always the “Barney ate it” possibility, too, I suppose….
Jane (nyc) @ 95
well, according to gonzo a la HJC, he can’t help with the investigation because he’s under investigation…
did like the letter, tho.
jayt
Yep–It was a total meaningless piece of paper- and got dealt with appropriately- NEXT?
Greg Palast has many e-mails that were sent by mistake to the spoof site. The ones from KKKarl.
Is Palast not to be believed and are the e-mails in Leahy’s hands?
Prince Harry isn’t going to Iraq because there are specific threats against him. This is much worse that the general threats that every other trooper faces.
BuggyQ @ 131
i’ll go you one better. it’s been relentlessly argued that the founding fathers didn’t have to face the issue of terrorist attacks, that they would have written in some contingencies allowing such abominations as the suspension of habeus corpus and warrantless searches if they had.
except, my friends, they DID face terrorist attacks, and on a daily basis much more commonly than we do today.
back then, though, they were called INDIANS.
think about it, the entire frontier of an expanding civilization constantly at risk of attacks, involving deaths, kidnappings, mutilations, sackings, etc.
and STILL the founding fathers thought it unnecessary to restrict the freedoms they and their countrymen fought so hard to establish and maintain.
the founders may or not have been the greatest generation. but ours today is the lamest.
HotFlash @ 30
Because there’s nothing binding about it. It’s probably just Republican posturing and time-killing as much as anything else.
Remember, one of the primary jobs the Republicans execute is to waste time, so Dems can’t get anything useful done.
With low support for Bush it’s important for them to run out the clock before the public really turns against Bush to the extent they just won’t vote for ANY Repubs in the 2008 election.
Repub support is probably no more than 33% (for their next prez candidate), so the prez candidates are in a tough spot — to support Bush and risk his approval tanking completely or to distance themselves from him.
They will put pressure on, but the Senate Repubs can resist a bit longer.
Our job as Dems is to ruin the Republicans completely, so we can take complete power in the next election and set about fixing things.
It’s crazy the Repubs have had total power and perhaps as crazy for Dems to turn it around and have total power, but that’s what’s needed for now.
Where it gets most confusing is when the Senate Dems and particularly Clinton, Obama, Dodd & Biden (senate Dems running for prez) have to decide now on what their positions will be months from now as the situation in Iraq and the electorate awareness of the situation changes. We’ll get to see the pros ‘adjust’ their positions and maybe see the public get disgusted with that and find someone who hasn’t had to adjust their position at all.
Sending the Prince to Iraq does have some unfortunate consequences. Who wants to be in his unit? Who wants to sleep in his barracks? Who wants to be within 100 yards of a bomb target? Not me!! He represents a danger to everyone around him.
dmg
Hmm
Well I’m not sure that the founding fathers had any compunctions about torturing indians or depriving them of their “rights”.
rwcole @ 148
He can come stay with me!
rwcole @ 149
or worse, end up on a beheading video with ‘arry.
Time to hit the road. Later all.
raven @ 145
You’re right raven. And it also places those he would be with in extreme danger.
rwcole @ 149
i’m not saying that they did, only that they found no exceptions needed in the laws as they stood.
Siun @ 19
There’s an election next year. That’s where the fight is. On all sides. Not in the halls of Congress.
HotFlash @ 138
very sad. way too much theater. i’m tired of being kabuki’ed.
Any lawyers in the house?
I am beginning to wonder if there is a possibility for a qui tam case against Gonzo et al for illegal wiretapping and monitoring.
If we can’t get a majority in the Senate to effect impeachment and we can’t file a complaint with the DOJ, can we sue?
RevDeb @ 151
safe driving!
snowbird42 @ 144
I think Palast has something about that on his website, and in his recent interview with Amy Goodman on America NOW, he talks about it. I got third-hand this from Brad Friedman’s “Bradblog”
(and that’s how The Blogs work!)
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4551
lizard @ 68
Any Dem running for prez should ask those businesses to contribute to their campaign if they want Privacy.
dmg@146
“they DID face terrorist attacks, and on a daily basis much more commonly than we do today.
back then, though, they were called INDIANS.
think about it, the entire frontier of an expanding civilization constantly at risk of attacks, involving deaths, kidnappings, mutilations, sackings, etc.”
I think I get where you’re going, but there’s a little too much John Wayne in there for me.
I mean, it was their land after all.
After watching last night’s torture-palooza with the republican candidates, I just give up.
I’ll give Bush a blow job if we can impeach him.
And I’ll do Leahy too, if he’ll appoint Patrick Fitzgerald as special prosecutor over the Department of Justice crimes.
Then, I’ll buy a pallette of Listerine and take a month-long bath.
emptywheel @129 Aw c’mon Marcy! The Guardian was pretty good all through the Troubles. I know, I was reading it. They may have preferred the SDLP to Sinn Fein but then so did many in Ireland. At least we’re moving in the right direction at last, though personally, I feel about the “Rev.Dr” Paisley much as you all do about Falwell – and I’m not a Catholic!
Actually, dmg, I think a better analogy might be to the Civil War. Even though Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus in the border states, he did not do so in the rest of the Union, despite there being many, many southern sympathizers in those areas (JW Booth, anyone?) And even then, his act was ultimately declared unconstitutional. That was a time of far greater threat to the Union than we face from terrorism. After all, over 600,000 soldiers died in that conflict. And that doesn’t count the civilian casualties (like slaves).
If it wasn’t necessary to give up our civil liberties in a time of *civil war*, why is it necessary now?
Rayne @ 156
that would be an historic, classy class action suit…
MarkH – Impeachment allows invetigation and airing of charges – and probably more important to me – it demonstrates in the only way possible – that we are still a nation of laws.
What we’re seeing – with Iraq and with impeachment and with so much else – is political positioning taking over instead of a committment to the rule of law. And both sides seem to play this game.
Rayne @ 155
Might be more practical to support a national strike, shut down commerce, save gas and send a clear message to the world that We the People of the US haven’t all abandoned the rule of law.
For those who could stomach the GOP debates last night…I caught this part and wanted to know what you thought:
The TH asked everyone what they would do to reduce spending (or some such question). Paul said he would eliminate some bureaucracies saying we had plenty. His example was Homeland Security. We had all the intelligence we needed but we were inefficient in how we communicated, now we have MORE bureaucracy, spent more $$ and it hasn’t improved anything.
The TH sternly asked Paul if he would eliminate Homeland Security Dept in a time of war, sir? He said Yes I would.
JMHO, but I was astounded at the directness of Paul and so discouraged by the war/fear posturing of the TH. Like a teacher admonishing an original thinker.
I also get discouraged that we still, still have Dubya and thugs in power. WHAT IS WRONG WITH CONGRESS? I think people are not paying attention but then I see the approval rating and someone must notice. So why are they still here?
Tithonia @ 154
Well, I was being sarcastic but, once again, I’m out of step on the Lake. I think he should go, what increase there would be in “danger” would be offset by some sense of sacrifice by the powerful.
selise @ 156
I do feel like smashing some fake trophies tho. ;)
Marcy,
Will you be writing more for Guardian Unlimited?
Wolfowitz to Resign This Afternoon?
May 16, 2007 12:42 PM
World Bank officials say the bank’s board is completing an “exit strategy” that will allow World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz to resign this afternoon and “still save some face” over the issue of his efforts to seek a promotion and pay raise for his girlfriend at the bank.
The officials say the bank’s board will accept Wolfowitz’s
Josh
OT – rumors about Wolfowitz resigning this PM on ABC via TPM
STTP in Ohio @ 161
don’t mistake my casting of the argument as an endorsement of it. i’m just noting that this is how tribes would have been regarded by a significant percentage of americans (no, i’m not prepared to guess how much) in the early days of nationhood.
Hey MARCY!
GET.OUT!!! In the Guardian, pic & all!
Been gone at dentist all morn.
What a treat to have you “up” when I return.
This has probably been mentioned already, but I noticed LouDobbin & Lehrer & KOlberman all at least touched on the Comey appearance in their programs last eve.
Keep pounding that drum!
You are the best ;->
back to read more detail in a bit…
just a cursory look shows I have lotsa company in being SICK.AND.TIRED & TOTALLY.FED.UP with any & all attempts to stall fact-finding AND…
ACTION against this horrible horrible administration. ENOUGH! IMPEACH!
selise @ 154
Yeah. MarkH suggests that it’s D’s punking R’s but you know, I am so tired of these ingenious explanations that the up I see is really down and black is white and all that. Is it too much to ask the Dems try to impress *US* for a change? Even if they are only pretending?
emptywheel @ 129
Did he mean “English” paper? As the distant spawn of Highlanders, I would like to note the distinction…
selise @ 76
Notice the Dems who voted for redeployment included those senators running for President. They KNOW the Dem electorate wants it.
But, why are there Dems voting against it? Who are they representing?
And, finally, do those voting for it REALLY support it or did they know it was going to fail, so their YEA didn’t matter?
Does the Dem electorate REALLY have representation on this Iraq War issue?
Maybe we need some outside blood like Edwards or Richardson or Gravel — just on the principle those folks aren’t tied up in Senate nonsense.
OT, but does anyone know what date Monica Goodling will testify to Congress?
Thanks!
newspaperbrat @ 166
Yeah, except Americans won’t do that. Work is king.
JEP @ 162
Where can I contribute? My elected reps don’t seem to represent me.
MarkH @ 147
What the future holds is clear. Conditions in Iraq will remain bad no matter how the Administration tries to spin it. The surge will fail. The Iraqi government will not act in any substantive or meaningful way on benchmarks or reconciliation.
Chetnolian @ 163
Oh, I have no problem with the GUardian. I think mr. emptywheel’s issue is that growing up in his staid little Irish bog-town, the Guardian was perceived to be the firebreathing dragon. I also suspect mr. emptywheel long went unaware of the political leanings of the men in his family.
Georgesimian @ 179
no, this is not so farfetched as you might think.
we had a little thing called the moratorium in october 1969 that made its point.
AJ @ 131
isnt this the same office that Noodler/Nadler/Nidler (the ineffectual civil servant who said there had been no investigation in the Executive Office of the President (EOP) on the leaking of Valerie Plame’s identity)?
The best we can hope for is SNL doing a skit on the hospital scene.
TJ @ 171
Yes, if I can write anything good.
do-si-do @ 167
lack of courage?
Although you have to register to comment at Guardian Unlimited, I’d like to recommend that everyone add their smartest comment there to support Marcy.
Marcy’s Column
ccmask@171
“The officials say the bank’s board will accept Wolfowitz’s Josh”
I certainly hope they will absolutely not accept his Josh!
Has anyone asked Ashcroft what he thinks of Abu and Shrub making a joke of his former office? I think the theocons’ great white hope needs to come clean.
JEP @ 177
LOL. No, he specifically called it a British paper. But then, he spends a lot of time here in the states explaining to people that Ireland is not one of the British Isles.
Dammit, now I have MT. Dew to clean up.
How many of us does it take to make up a “class action?”
IANAL (stating the obvious) but it seems to me there’s some gold in them thar hills…
We certainly have a lot of class here at the Lake, but do we have enough for a class action lawsuit?
emptywheel @ 187
You can’t be serious, you are amazingly gifted.
ccmask @ 185
Aggghhhh!
dmg @ 183
Hey, I love the idea, but this isn’t 1969. Nobody’s dropping out. It would be worse to organize one of these protests only to have it fail.
I was wondering how mad Americans might get if Bush just took over, extended his Presidency. I mean, the National Guard is in Iraq, so Bush could maybe pull a military coup. UNLESS the people stood up and did something about it. Would they?
emptywheel @ 186
BWAHAHAHAHA
Girl, you crack me up.
emptywheel @ 186
Please please please
RevDeb @ 138
right there with ya Rev. The Sergeant at Arms better bring a few beefy DC cops with him.
STTP in Ohio @ 189
Shrub sent Condi to beat up on the Euros for daring to oppose Wolfie’s continued employment. Judging from Germany’s righteous indignation, the bully sessions were unsuccessful.
emptywheel @ 185
We need to find a pipeline into The Daily Show and The Colbert Report. I bet Marcy could write some great stuff for them.
Where is Andrew Card these days and can he be brought in front of the senate as well?
emptywheel @ 190
If the SNP has its way, Scotland will revert to independence… But considering they (the Scots) already rule England (they don’t call it “London Yard”, now, do they?) it may all be for show.
STTP in Ohio @ 189
Depends on the interest….I meant to link to Josh but I got so excited and all :))
WRT Wolfie’s impending resignation this p.m.:
Who’ll be Bush/Cheney’s world banker now? Inquiring minds wanna know?
Marcy “Bush told Comey and Ashcroft to fuck off in 2004. But he told all of us to fuck off, publicly, just two weeks ago.”
And the Bush administration along with millions of Americans just plain ole FUCKED the Iraqi people by creating an enviroment (must be following Israel’s example at Sabra and Shatilla) where the Iraqi people are being KILLED, TORTURED, RAPED, DISPLACED and our living in a hell on earth that we created for them. We continue to type away on blogs, analyze, discuss, read the news while they have had their lives destroyed and Americans do not see any valid or accurate coverage about what is taking place there. But hell the reality is that most Americans are happy to get to the mall and not think about it!. Ultimately we have fucked ourselves via our complacency and apathy!
TexBetsy @ 201
Amen. And the FBI agents, Mrs. Ashcroft, and Mueller.
TexBetsy @ 187
Well, sure, that’s a given. But what do they have to lose by standing up for the rule of law? To use a tainted phrase, it should be a “slam dunk”. So why don’t they?
sigh.
emptywheel @ 186:
You can.
I just read emptywheel’s Guardian piece, where she says the hospital scene will one day be worthy of Hollywood. I think the scene it already reminds everyone of is the hospital scene in “The Godfather”.
ccmask @ 170
Save some face? Stop, you’re killing me here. First Iraq, now the World Bank, this guy hasn’t had any face to save for years.
dmg @ 132
Sorry, I didn’t make the rules. Maybe you oughta check with the Senate Repugs who won’t do the right thing. We’ve got to crush them on this thing.
kdh22 @ 205
Abu
TexBetsy @ 202
Believe it or not, I saw him on TDS just a few weeks ago…
Tithonia @ 209
Amen! Don’t sell yourself short EW!
ccmask @ 203
Hey, he’s OUR Josh, Wolfowitz can go find his own Josh (just joshin’)
“Card”
We’d have ta go through all the executive privilege claims of course- and they are starting to be more and more relevant as we learn that Clusterfuck was personally involved in this crapfest.
Blub @ 213
FOR THE LOVE OF DOG! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Marcy how will the McNulty resignation effect the upcoming A*P*C Rosen/Weismann espionage trial? (was afraid this would be one of the outcomes of the AG scandal, Kristol was just too excited)
Will his resignation “cast clouds” over this trial?
There’s no reason to not impeach Gonzo. Where’s the damage? Even the Repugs hate him. Come on.
Card apparently travels the world- telling anyone who will listen what a great president Clusterfuck is.
emptywheel @ 184
Hey, that’s a resounding yes!
Blub @ 189
I wouldn’t hold my breath. Recall Rove was Ashcroft’s Senate campaign manager, when he lost to a dead man in Missouri. Rove literally picked Ashcroft off the political trash heap, and made him AG.
I suspect if Ashcroft makes a statement soon, it will have a Rove spin.
Blub @ 212
Maybe they’ll talk Kenny Lay out of “retirement.” They bring superheroes back from the dead, why not supervillians… Especially the ones lounging around their Dubai palm-frond beachfront hide-aways…
Or is he in the Marianas?
Georgesimian @ 197
Yea, we really kicked their asses in October, 69. The war ended almost immediately in March 1975.
Agree on the Gonzo impeachment- don’t know if it would make it through- but the investigation would shed some light on how this piece of shit administration works.
Siun has a new thread.
JEP @ 224
Well he’s not six feet under…we all know that!
kemo @ 223
Ashcroft came out looking rather good yesterday.
Georgesimian @ 196
a tough call, but the hopeful side of me would have to say yes. even the most clueless would realize that, “hey, wasn’t he supposed to be out of here on 1/20/09? isn’t that what we’ve been waiting for?”
of course, there’s enough time for an attack that would “force” him to declare martial law. but nobody would be buying it this time, i don’t think. georgie boy has cried wolf too often for a prez with 24% ratings to get away with it.
on the other hand, i’m still waiting for the rovian meme to float up: “hey, bush can run again — it’s not like he WON the first time.”
Removed by author because of redundancy.
Kathleen @ 219
This importance you attach to McNulty seems a product of a fixation. You’re looking for some silver bullet against A*P*C. After all we’ve seen of DOJ, do you honestly think McNulty would a) want to get to the heart of the matter or b) have the power to get to the heart of the matter?
[Mod Note; asterisks added to bypass the moderation filters.]
Can’t be. Must be someplace that doesn’t have extradition.
rwcole @ 226
It might shed some light on that, but the real reason to impeach Gonzo is that he is a lying sack of shit who committed crimes. The investigation may have other great side effects, but the real reason to impeach Gonzo should be to get rid of him and maybe put him in jail.
Hey EW — you still there?
Want to start a pool on whether Hohlt gets the nod for Wolfie’s job?
;-)
kdh22 @ 218
Well.. think about it. Abu has the four required qualifications for a shrub political appointment: 1) no qualifications whatsoever, 2) a reputation for being pugilistic and obnoxious, 3) hated by liberals, 4) fanatical personal loyalty to shrub. That, and the fact he’ll be out his own job soon.
I mean, how much experience did Wolfie have with either banking or running a large organization when he took the job? Zero and zilch.
Here is a comment posted by suraci over at the EW Guardian post:
I’m not surpised that Gonzales and others employed such tactics to try to legalise criminality.
It reminds me of an incident during Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans when a local sheriff posted his officers to guard a communications room with orders to prevent FEMA from entering. FEMA was actively making matters worse by, amongst other things , shutting down communications equipment, presumably to hinder rescue operations so that the area would be as devastated as possible in order to clear the city of blacks and allow the hotel chains and elite companies to move in and take back New Orleans for the white guys. The tactic worked of course, and New Orleans is now a ghost town, empty prime real estate for the elites to move into with tales of polluted ground and compulsory purchase at rock bottom prices.
This is what America has come to: one department against another, with the fightback against the Neocon gangsters happening at a local and department level.
by suraci
kdh22 @ 205
Jack Abramoff woulda been perfect, but he’s currently indisposed.
This little tangent some are having about the 1969 moratorium reminds me to strongly recommend a film that digby recommended, “Sir! No Sir!”, a documentary about resistance to the Vietnam War from within the armed forces. It will leave you simultaneously inspired and deflated, and shaken.
rwcole @ 227
agreed. the investigation has so many places to go and likely hits, that a Senate conviction looks more and more likely. Even some of the diehard Republican Senators may be ready to can Gonzales. Imagine open testimony on the Gonzo/Card meeting at Ashcroft’s bedside from Mrs. A, Mueller, a couple of FBI agents… then move on to the USA scandal. then back to ongoing lawbreaking with the domestic spying (oh, wait, that’s another trial). remeber how they got Monica I to testify in Clinton’s trial? Monica II is but one potential witness. There are hundreds!
Siun @ 164
The oversight committees are revealing quite a lot now and pushing the Repubs down in public opinion polls. Once the Repub Senators fear for their own jobs, then they’ll get religion and put pressure on Bush.
Airing charges? Heck that’s been done left and right for a few years now. How’s that going for ya?
I’m sorry you don’t feel we’re a nation of laws and that your grief isn’t being displayed in Congress. I feel the same way. But, to simply scream out loud doesn’t really get to the heart of the problem and change things.
We need real change, not just a show (either senators posturing on votes or an Impeachment proceeding going nowhere).
We must use whatever media or techniques we can to change the mind of the public and then power will follow. With that power we can reinstitute Rule of Law and all that means.
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jayt @ 237
Neil Bush has banking experience. Jeb Bush is not working right now.
Blub @ 235
I wasn’t implying that it couldn’t happen. I was screaming that I didn’t want it to happen. Your points are well taken and valid, but….FOR THE LOVE OF DOG NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
TexBetsy @ 229
I understand, but let’s hear what he has to say for himself. I believe he was “no comment” yesterday.
jayt @ 237
LOL
Blub @ 236
A dictatorship is always be run by ciphers who owe their place to the dictatorship and couldn’t thrive outside one. It also demands crimes and their corollary, omerta.
There really is a new thread.
Badwater @ 241
Riiiiiight! Brilliant! Either one would be greaaaaat! Excuse me while I hurl!
Rayne @ 234
Rayne, please elucidate…
What of Hohlt? give us first name for “the google.” Or a link…
OfT – Tony Blair’s coming for his last visit to the U.S. as Prime Minister and is having dinner at the WH.
One last chance for Blair to say “thanks for everything, shit-head!” and toodle off back across the pond.
Any truth to the rumor of a White-Tie hog-roast?
kdh22 @ 228
I’m really disappointed in you folks. Ken Lay is dead. It was all over the newspapers and television.
Just because by dying his conviction went away, his wife got to keep all the cash & collect oodles of tax free insurance money, and avoid years of public scorn and ridicule doesn’t mean it didn’t really happen.
Nothing to see here, move along.
JEP — This Hohlt, the one with background in financial sector. You’ll figure out the rest, I’m sure. ;-)
brendan @ 240
Sorry, I was part of that resistance and it was all of what you said.
I have kind of a vivid imagination I admit. However, it was my distinct personal feeling that:
1. Comey was really angry and afraid.
2. Comey may have suggested a link between his “private” conversation with Ashcroft the week before and the sudden taking ill of Ashcroft.
3. His urgency to gather his guys together to protect Ashcroft at the hospital.
4. His reluctance to go to the WH without a witness.
I think he carefully insinuated something really sinister.
I think the DOJ offices were possibly bugged.
I think the wiretapping was political.
I think he was afraid something even worse would happen to Ashcroft if the “powers that be” didn’t ultimately get what they want. I believe his words were planned and measured yesterday, and I think this country is really in a great deal more trouble than even we realize.
We have to start calling a spade a spade, and that means identifying what sort of government we are at the mercy of. These people are capable of anything to get what they want, and I mean anything. We have to reexamine how they came to power, and what happened after they came into power – step by step – including carefully opening our minds to subject that until now remain taboo.
Please excuse any typos or grammatical mistakes that I see in my post above. I am so upset and am posting at the end of this thread, so I threw it together off the top of my head.
I’m curious what drove Comey to finally resign in August ‘05. It’s interesting to note that the Administration’s first pick to replace him was Timothy E. Flanagan, formerly deputy to Gonzalez in the White House counsel’s office. A transparent attempt to put a “loyal bushie” in the post.
Flanagan had his own Abramoff problem, and was going to be questioned closely about his role in drafting the WH torture memos, so he withdrew from consideration.
Looks like they got their loyal bushie in McNulty, but it remains to be seen just how loyal he will be when faced with perjury charges…
LS @ 256
(((LS)))
Of course you’re excused! I’m upset too and can’t in god’s name understand why the criminals are still running the country!
hey! look at me! In the Guardian!
Congratulations! Chock tebrikler
emptywheel @ 187
That’ll be a ‘yes’, then, I guess.
lhp – I left a question in EPUville on your breadcrumbs thread. If you have time…
Hey, Nancy, I think you better set the table.
dmg @ 184
So, who how can we make this happen? A national strike is the one thing that could give control back to the people. Stop ALL commerce until the war ends! Better yet, stop all commerce until Bush and Cheney both resign. I’m in…anyone else up for it? Let’s set a date and go for it.
Avenging_Angel @ 260
707
Chris @ 16
You know! Lying under oath about a B/job! ob! That is what was important to the previous Republican controlled congress!
Blowing your job by lying to the American people and the world about WMD’s based on false intelligence is not to impeach around here. Blowing up a whole country (Iraq) and creating an enviroment for hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people to be murdered, raped, displaced, injured, etc is not enough for our elected leaders to impeach these psychopaths either.
The whole world is aware that the U.S. is spiritually and morally bankrupt!
Rayne @ 156
Even if we could couch these crimes under the False Claims Act, what are the chances that the DC USAttorney would pick up the case? On our own, it might be a good PR move but nothing more.
Since we work with whistleblowers, we deal with a lot of qui tam actions. One brave soul tried to bring an action against Columbia University (talk about thugs!) and, even with clear evidence, she was stonewalled. Even my alma mater Yale, which has had federal agents on campus since last summer, has been too clever for the investigators.
If you are interested, there’s a fascinating qui tam case that has been moving (or NOT moving) through the courts for 19 years out in Denver. I don’t have it in front of me right now but the relator’s name is James Stone (a true hero who has developed Alzheimer’s over the last decade) and the criminals were the company that ran the plutonium processing plant at Rocky Flats (Rockwell/now Boeing, I think).
mjvpi @ 78
Gone to court how? What kind of legal device? What standing did they have to bring what? A criminal complaint? A civil commplaint? A petititon for a writ?
What were they supposed to use?
Oh, and do you remember which VERY STACKED court they would be infront of?
Impeach Gonzales and then move up the food chain.
They are all guilty. We have to at least try or anyone in those offices can do the same. This is not acceptable.
Rayne @ 157
Qui tam is for cases hwere someone is stealing money or a thing of value from the Gov’t or a Gov’t program.
Do you think we can talk about election fraud now? My God, Bush stole 2 elections without a peep out of MSM and liberal blogs. He is a dictator. Not talking about the problem makes US complicit. Bush began his first day acting like a dictator and does to this day. Minus several brain cells which makes it even more embarrassing.
LS at 255
I think it was ‘all but said’ that Comey briefed Ashcroft on the findings of the OLC, and after some discussion a plan was agreed upon.
Within hours Ashcroft took ill.
I think you are right – it’s worse than we know – but some good people have stepped-up at critical times to literally save the day, so far.
Comey’s testimony directly connects Bush with Card and Gonzo’s attempt to influence Ashcroft to ‘over-ride’ the binding (over the entire Executive Branch!) finding of the OLC that ‘the program’ was not legal.
If the Hospital Scene were a Test Case for the Unitary Executive’s power to over-ride due process on his personal whim – I’m pretty sure Bush would lose in any Court, even the DC Court.
molly @ 266
Exactly. The ‘consitutional crisis’ that we are supposed to be so afraid of happened when the SCOTUS installed the chimperator.
But we *have* been peeping.
Woodhall Hollow @ 125
Thank you for putting into words what I could not.
When I hear people who have no freakin’ idea of the web of obliagtions a guy in his position works under spout off because he was unwilling to break the law in the name of saving it–I get all vaporlocked.
I don’t want some cowboy of a “Whistleblower” who is going to break the law (and secrecy laws do serve a valid purpose) and then not be able to get their story out anyway because of greymail problems.
Sybil Edmonds injured herself, the rule of law, and stopped no one and nothing.
I used to do “whistleblower determinations” for a government agency I worked for (not DOJ) and I was amazed at how many people who saw themselves as whistle bloers were more interested in expressing their own outrage at the abuse they had seen (to wit, venting) than they were to make the efoort to soberly strategize how to actually change things.
There is intellgent targeted whistleblowing, which we saw an example of yesterday (as well as with Ambassador Wilson), and there is stupid vanity whistleblowing, in which the whistleblower is unable to prove anything.
Waterboarding Ashcroft
Every Republican candidate is jockeying to prove he’s scarier than the guy to his left or right. Last night at the GOP debate only McCain took a strong stand against torture. Most of the rest endorsed “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Tom Tancredo endorsed the Jack Bauer method of questioning suspected terrorists. Waterboarding? Whatever!
You know that this is the methodology that Gonzales would have used on Ashcroft in the hospital if Comey hadn’t raced to Ashcroft’s rescue. A man in intensive care is known to be succeptible to enhanced interrogation techniques. John, we have ways of making you sign this document.
Waterboarding Ashcroft
John Aschroft, making his first role on the big screen is…….CORLEONE!!
There’s only one piece of evidence needed to impeach Bush – the Presidential Order he signed himself.
He invalidated the Constitution when he did that.
Think about it…
I don’t know if it would be unethical inthe sense of violating the cannons of legal ethics. I didn’t think about it that way.
I do think there is an ethical problem with character assasinating your boss in public. The Senate Judiciary Committee’s opinion of Gonzales is relevant because they have the power to do oversight on him.
As Comey pointed out, he is in the private sector and since Gonzales is not elected, Comey has no direct ovesight over him (ie, with a vote on election day)
I think he was correct to point out that it is not his “place” to offer an opinion. I thought it showed class, dignity and restraint.
It’s a personal ethics standard, not a legal ethics standard.
I swear the print media are the laziest sons of …. They must lurk here and other blogs and then claim as their own investigative journalism what the blogs and commentors have detailed. The WishyWashington Post Dana Millbanks has
lifted from FDLwritten:Ashcroft and the Night Visitors
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..ailarticle
“…..Card called the hospital. He “demanded that I come to the White House immediately,” Comey testified. “I responded that, after the conduct I had just witnessed, I would not meet with him without a witness present.”
“He replied, ‘What conduct? We were just there to wish him well.’ “
Millbanks was up early this am reading the comments at FDL:More Breadcrumbs from Comey
By: looseheadprop
Comment #60 RockPaperScizzors says:
May 16th, 2007 at 6:22 am
What happened after Mr. Gonzales and Card left? Did you have any contact with them in the next little while? COMEY: While I was talking to Director Mueller, an agent came up to us and said that I had an urgent call in the command center, which was right next door…. And he said it was Mr. Card wanting to speak to me. COMEY: I took the call. And Mr. Card was very upset and demanded that I come to the White House immediately. I responded that, after the conduct I had just witnessed, I would not meet with him without a witness present. He replied, “What conduct? We were just there to wish him well.” And I said again, “After what I just witnessed, I will not meet with you without a witness. And I intend that witness to be the solicitor general of the United States.” SCHUMER: That would be Mr. Olson
http://gulcfac.typepad.com/geo…..script.pdf
I wonder if Card’s comment will make it to the Nightly News next??
RockPaperScizzors @ 276
Thanks for sticking up for my intellectual property rights. *g*
Honestly though, the reason I go to the trouble of writing these posts is in the hopes of educating the folks in the MSM so that they can get the story right.
I am trying to help them understand what is before them and help them to other sources of information so that they can see for themselves.
If Dana Millbank was able to write a good story because he read something of mine, I am happy.
Hell, if it didn’t involve outing myself, he could just call me direct.