As some folks here know, my day job involves working with companies on sustainability – working with them on issues of social and environmental impacts, transparency and accountability. The folks I get to work with are fascinating and passionate about making progress – even while juggling all the conflicting demands of our modern corporate world.
One of my favorite people in this work is Joel Makower – journalist and blogger – who has kept the corporate world thinking for years now about how to become more environmentally responsible. Not only is Joel funny and kind, he pushes all of us to look closer, to put aside unquestioned assumptions, and to make things happen.
So a little while ago, I was reading a new post by Joel and it really hit home. Writing about "greenwashing" – when companies "apply a green sheen to their far-from-perfect environmental records" – Joel turned the question on the rest of us:
I've been seeing the "G" word showing up more and more, in both local and national media. And while it's generally good that we maintain high standards for companies' seeking to claim environmental leadership, I can't help but ponder the hypocrisy of it all: how much more we expect of companies than of ourselves.
When I speak to audiences about the greening of business — nearly every week these days, or so it seems — I often conduct an informal poll to see how audience members behave in their personal lives: how many drive hybrids or carpool to work, or are simply driving less; how many have installed solar panels or purchase green energy for their homes; how many use organic or low-toxic gardening techniques; how many seek out locally produced goods; how many have taken the basic measures at home — have installed energy-efficient light bulbs and appliances, water-saving devices, insulation and weatherstripping, and the like.
Some audiences are more tentative than others in volunteering answers, but even the most enthusiastic groups tend to have only a handful of members who appear to taking more than a few token actions.
That is, few of us have gone very far out of our way to make changes that we all know are necessary to address today's environmental challenges.
This admittedly unscientific research has limited value, of course, except to raise the inevitable question: Why aren't we doing what we're asking companies to do?
Joel goes on to ask "if there's a little greenwasher in all of us?"
And that sure made me think – and quickly order CFLs for all the lights in our apartment! So I was wondering – how are we doing?
I'll confess to being far from what I preach – I rarely drive (my old car is sure no hybrid) and almost always take the bus but I'm addicted to a brand of water that's shipped untold miles from a tropical island to my Chicago home. We're mostly an organic household but I don't check "food miles". We're pretty good recyclers but I leave on too many lights (as my daughter reminds me often). So I'm curious how other firepups are doing … what ways have you found to make your life greener?
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Siun!
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Drive a motorscooter on trips where I can- gets 80mpg.
Will buy a plug in hybrid as soon as someone makes one.
I moved much closer to work- if I don’t bike, I drive a couple of miles as opposed to 30. My house is 1/3 the size of my previous residence. Most importantly, I’ve dropped 200 pounds of ugly flesh, also known as the ex-husband.
I bought a bunch of those CFL light bulbs and they suck. Now I’m stuck with them. Just turn down the old ones. That saves energy too.
And keep your tires pumped up.
Well, I drive very little, live in a small apartment that faces north and requires very little AC or HEAT. Make the kids walk most places. Also, we use CFL’s in almost every light, and shut the power to the TV & computers when not in use. We are also mostly a vegetarian household. Haven’t done much about buying locally grown food.
I wrote all about my effort on Sunday over at DailyKos, if anyone wants to check it out. Orangeclouds115 was kind enough to let me guest-post Sunday’s edition of her Vegetables of Mass Destruction series…
Don’t buy RoundUp.
Georgesimian @ 9
then how do get rid of thistle? seriously.
KiaRioGrl79 @ 8
Cool, thanks.
Round-up?
snowbird42 @ 12
toxic substance for getting rid of weeds
TexBetsy @ 13
But help, I use it fairly often for poison ivy.
Plant a garden! And teach it to your children. How many elementary schools have school gardening programs? Start em’ early, and they will always eat the cabbage they grow themselves…
i pay 2.4 cents/kw hour extra for electricity that is supposed to come from wind and small hydro. i’ve been using CFLs for a while. got my veggies from an organic CSA for the first time last summer. organic in the yard (and i have the lawn weeds to prove it).
but i do far, far more harm… from the lap top i’m typing on to taking a plane flight, heating the house in the winter and now cooling the house in the summer (i broke down a couple of years ago and got window air condition units for the summer). i use the dishwasher instead of washing dishes by hand. and the list goes on and on….
here’s the thing…. and it’s really depressing. i don’t think it is possible to live according to what we claim are our values in this culture (hell, by paying my taxes i’m funding the occupation of iraq).
we need fundamental systemic changes. by trying to make changes in our own lives we are working to change our own culture…. baby steps – but we’ve got to make them.
TiredFed @ 10
pluck it out YOUNG…
If you have a lawn, let it grow very long before cranking up the mower: less gas and noise.
My problem with the CFL light bulbs is that I like having dimmer switches.
And I live in the country, so PT isn’t an option. I drive too much.
I try to pay attention to the miles my food is shipped.
We have an extensive organic garden, which we maintain using hand tools and a rechargeable electric mower.
I’m about to go out for a spin with the wheel-hoe, so much as I would like to stay in this conversation, I should probably stop procrastinating …
JEP @ 17
hahaha. and watch it sprout in a million places!
I have severely reduced the amount of electricity I use, and I walk when I can. I also engage in organic gardening, and I always try to avoid products with petrochemicals.
We plant trees. Have a garden, that produces a lot that we eat.Drive our craft van as slow as practical(amazing how much gas it saves)
JEP @ 15
I don’t own the land around my apt, but I do have an herb garden. The elem and midd schools here both have gardens. Middle school and HS both have greenhouses and entire horticulture depts. The middle school also recently put up solar panels to power about a third of the building.
Thistle! ugh. But I never use roundup, just keep digging away at it, mowing it, scything it … endlessly.
Well,
We’ve replaced our top-loading washer with a front-loader (less water used, less energy used). We use the clothesline when it’s possible (if the wind’s blowing, you can’t use the clothesline because we end up rewashing the clothes to get the windblown dirt out of them.)
We’ve replaced our old refrigerator with a new Energy-star replacement. We replaced our freezer with a top-loader when it died.
We’ve put in a drip irrigation system for our ornamentals.
As incandescents burn out, we’re replacing them with CFLs.
I ride my bike to work two days a week.
When it’s time to replace my Accord, I’ll look hard at a hybrid/electric.
snowbird42 @ 14
Goats LOVE poison ivy, they eat it with relish… Find someone who will lend you a couple goats every spring, and they’ll take out your ivy for you…
I homesteaded in southern Iowa many years ago, before I followed my future wife to Greenwich Village for a while, so I’m not making this up.
er, we drive. A lot. we do carpool quite a bit and my hubby lives close enough to the office to walk, and he does. More for the exercise than for greenness.
We recycle EVERYTHING. Low energy lightbulbs on timers. Energy efficient appliances.
Hubby is a fanatic for natural pest control, no pesticides. We both cave when the ants blacken the counter every summer.
The black sin against greenness in our house is probably my gas consumption as I need to drive one of my kids to a special ed school 30 miles away. But we carpool with another family. Most of the families at the school carpool which is great.
I don’t know anything about food miles. Going to look into that. We buy store brand bottled water cuz even though we have some of the best tap water in the US, it’s more convenient at a sporting event and we provide it for teammates, etc.
This is all I can think of right now.
Nice topic. thanks siun!
Bike almost everywhere. Farmers market whenever we can. Only two incandescent bulbs in the apt–and the one in the fridge burnt out. Keep the microwave unplugged while we’re not using it. Having trouble doing more because we’re in an apartment and can’t upgrade appliances, insulation or windows . . . and I still have a weakness for hot showers.
I think this is a wonderful post and am glad that you’re asking the FDLers what we do, but a far bigger question is what the companies and corporations are doing. Supermarkets that close all the freezer cases instead of leaving some open can save tremendous amounts of energy.
It’s a little late to claim that you can do much of anything that matters, unless you’ve opted out of society altogether, blown up your TV, and raise your own food.
We’ve gone way past the point of no return, greenwise. We’ve changed the atmosphere, the oceans and all other waters. We still bathe the continents in dangerous pesticides and herbicides. And lets not get into chemical additives in every last thing we produce.
We are owned by corporations which do pretty much anything they wish to do. Cutting back on power, deodorant, travel–whathaveyou–might salve your own soul, but you can’t honestly believe that it matters, even if every last one of us behaves the same.
A little piety in daily affairs is a good thing, and waste-not-want-not is a nice homily to adopt, but do so as a matter of personal character. Don’t believe that it has anything to do with making the world greener. That’s delusional.
What I do:
The lights that are on most of the time (windows face east only) are all fluorescents, either regular 13W compacts, or the curlies that fit regular sockets. (They work quite well. I don’t understand the complaints about them not being bright: those LED lights are much dimmer than CFLs for most purposes.)
Fan instead of AC most of the time. (I’m considering getting some sheet insulation to put against the outside wall. Big problem is 4×8ft sheets won’t fit my car.) Extra blankets in winter (may get small space heater for cold periods).
Hybrid car. Walk to train station (10-15 minute walk) most days, so I drive maybe 30 miles/week, almost all on weekends.
Shopping – I go to a shopping center with several stores where I can get stuff most of the time, instead of having to drive to several different places to get stuff. I also try to do everything in one trip as much as I can. I also use cloth bags (some stores sell them, but you can make them at home. Use heavy canvas or upholstery fabric, and the webbing sold in bulk (it will last longer than the fabric: recycling).
If you use plastic cups, plates, and utensils, wash and reuse them. ‘Disposable’ doesn’t really mean that you have to toss them after one use.
While the season is right, I buy about 70% of our food at the local farmers’ market. I do errand-linking—saving up to do several errands on one day, rather than single errands several times a week. We run overhead fans, and plug-in fans, so that we are less dependent on air-conditioning. I can’t stand the fluorescent bulbs, unfortunately. It isn’t that “females don’t like how they look under the lights” thing—I just hate the light they put off. So I keep lights turned off when I’m not in a room (Mr. Dido complains about entering darkened rooms, but I scold him). We use the heat pretty lightly in the winter. I dry clothes by air when I can, and I have virtually nothing that needs dry-cleaning. When I do have to dry-clean, I go to Hangers, an environmentally conscious dry-cleaner. I hope to get a hybrid car soon, and I’m dreaming of solar panels on the roof (my mother got a bunch, and now her utility bills amount to about $800 a year–about 10% of what they used to be). Always set the dishwasher on “water miser” and “no-heat dry,” and remind myself that it actually uses less water than hand-washing does. We always use our cloth shopping bags.
I feel guilty about the electronic vampires–the computer and printer, for instance. So we got a computer strip for the kitchen and plugged the coffee-maker & toaster in it. It’s turned on only when they’re in use; so the kitchen vampires are under control—that makes me feel a tiny bit less bad. We use gas heat & stove, and will soon get either a gas water-heater or a heat-on-demand solar water-heater. I’m planning to replace my laundry machines with low-water, gas appliances. We just got an electric lawn-mower.
I know there’s more we could do.
TiredFed @ 10
Most thistles are edible. Seriously.
eyes of the world @ 24
endlessly is right. it came in a load of mulch and infested all of my flower beds. so cant mow or scythe. can only treat with herbicide. wish I knew of one that wasnt so toxic, as I live in the Chesapeake Bay watershed.
We recycle aluminum, metal cans, glass, newspaper, mags and catalogs, plastic bags/wrap, batteries and paint. Ms ET and the kids volunteer at the local recycling place.
We drive A LOT! Mostly for work, but also for recreation access. Mine is a VW Golf TDI. Ms. ET, ET Jr, and ETette share a couple of Subarus, and we just bought an old pickup for chores and hauling the boat. We each have bikes, but the distances between places we go are seldom measured in less than ten miles, so the bikes are mostly for recreation.
We grow about half or more of our produce. I catch most of the fish we eat, sometimes trading salmon, halibut or clams to friends for moose. We sometimes buy local fowl to eat, and often buy our eggs locally.
Shopping for the rest of the stuff, we stay away from Wal Mart and Safeway pretty much 100 percent, buying from Costco and Fred Meyer, both of which conduct good labor practices. We buy mostly organic food and virtually NO “processed food.”
Our house isn’t super-efficient. If we had 25K handy, we’d consider sun/wind upgrades for alternative power.
Good Efforts
Have been replacing burned out incandescent bulbs with compact fluorescents; recycle a lot [all kinds of paper, plastics, glass, corrugated, even plastic bags]; some light composting [should do more] in my organic garden; push mower [we call it aerobic mowing]; no pesticides; Mr. NJP works at home; I commute via train and use light rail or bus on bad weather days; both cars are compacts, and when we replace the older car, we’ll be getting a hybrid. Trying to restrict water usage. Grow herbs, tomatoes, cukes, arugula. Buy other seasonal produce at local farmer’s market each weekend. Take old computers, printers, and other electronics to county-run recycling center. Can ride bike to grocery stores [but don’t always]. Mr. NJP is great about walking to run his downtown errands [me not as much, but better than I used to be, child of suburbia]. Don’t travel much: seldom fly, make two long-distance car trips each year. Wash dishes by hand [no dishwasher].
Not So Good Efforts
I need fans, a/c, anything to keep cool [female of a certain age], tho’ our 1929 does not have central air [window units in master bedroom and Mr. NJP’s office; use fans elsewhere]. Should be hooking up with Community-Supported Agriculture for nonhome-grown produce needs. Have done nothing about looking into green energy through local utilities. Need to do much more with composting. Still use clothes dryer rather than clothes line. Should replace commode with low-volume flush model. Should replace current shower head with low-flow model. Should insulate water heater. Will need to replace refrigerator in 2 to 3 years: will get high-rated Energy Star model when that time comes. Removed attic exhaust fan because of leaks, but did not replace it at time [thought we were going to move to St. Louis!]; should get new attic fan [sadly, whole-house fan cannot be installed].
TexBetsy @ 29
Hi TB,
I dunno if all FDLer know this but SF just outlawed plastic bags for larger businesses (like grocery store chains). Indies can use them if they want. fyi.
Something I recently learned about was geothermal power for home heating. I wish I had known when we built our current house. It’s a must for the next one.
Put the last kid into college so I know this choice was easier for me to make, just spent the year with no electricity! Heat with wood and small amounts of gas. Live on quite a few acres, grow quite a bit of our own food, try to drive under 30 miles a day in a small economical nissan/sentra. (know this is not such an easy choice for folks, who live and work outside of cities etc.)
So interesting how far you can try to cut your consumption back. Harder to do with kids at home (although our family “footprint” was relatively small when all three kids were at home. We really focused on “living simply so others could simply live”
This sure applies as much now as ever before as the Iraqi people die by the hundreds of thousands, are displaced, injured, raped, tortured etc. all due to the U.S. and Israel’s need to access their oil and control over the region.
When most Americans hear their “selected” leaders (the Bush administration) tell them to go shopping as their civic duty. Most are happy to stay in their Dream bubble with pedals to the metal and comply with the Bush administrations advice as Iraq burns and the Iraqi people live in the hell on earth that the invasion created.
Our nation should be held accountable for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!
snowbird42 @ 12
Round-up (glyphosate) is associated with increased risk of lymphoma (cancer of white blood cells).
rwcole @ 4
Wait for it…
KyCole @ 5
I’m sorry, I just could NOT resist.
I do have a question. Most people cannot afford solar. Or really good windows. We can’t. We need better insulation but don’t have the money. What are people of moderately incomes supposed to do to be really GREEN?
My husband and I work at home. We own one car, a ford focus that we drive as little as possible. We don’t use any pesticides except that stuff you put on pets. We are having a tick problem and I found out that garlic is a repellent. I am thinking about spraying garlic water in the yard. We recently installed better but not the best windows. We take the train from Sac to the Bay Area whenever we go. We turn off the lights and have the good kind of bulbs. We recycle. I am shocked at how much crap we must throw out. What are the alternatives to zip lock baggies. We use Shaklee cleaning products that are great and green. (no, we don’t sell them)
All of this doesn’t seem to be a huge effort. There must be more people can do. What is it?
Replaced loads of plastic water bottles with a refillable stainless steel one that I put filtered tap water in. Also using cloth grocery bags and shopping local farmers markets. If only there was a solar-powered computer…
TexBetsy @ 23
I know that in Iowa, school boards can vote to put up a wind generator to power the school systems. I would also like to post this link to my own blog with a very comprehensive collection of links to multiple alternatives that, if put together in a complete package, goes a long way towards solving many of our energy woes… and before everyone jumps on the “ethanol costs more to produce than it provides” meme, look carefully at the plan, it DOES NOT depend on existing electric resource.
By utilizing local methane recovery systems to fuel the production of transportable biofuels, it represents a “renewable deraileur” that starts with local renewable resources and by “gearing up” creates even more renewable resources…
Oh yea. And we got a whole house fan and plant trees all of the time.
These websites are interesting for determining what your footprint on the planet is.
http://www.carbonfootprint.com/
http://www.climatecrisis.net/t…..alculator/
Mary McCurnin @ 42
We use plastic rubbermaid things in school lunches and often wash & re-use the zipper baggies.
Several communities in central texas have started buying their energy from solar/wind, and we get our energy from them. Also, all new traffic lights here have mini solar panels above and are otherwise off grid.
I don’t drive. Never learned how to: (I grew up in NYC.) I recycle. I have mostly CFL lights. I shop at the food coop ask for paper bags. I also get stuff at the farmers market. Unfortuantely, when I upgrade all my machines I leave the old ones in the dumpster.
HotFlash @ 33
TiredFed @ 10
then how do get rid of thistle? seriously.
Most thistles are edible. Seriously.
With my luck, these arent. and they are the worst kind – huge spikes. enough about my thistle problem.
We recycle like mad. I am constantly pulling things back out of the trash an sorting into recycling. We carpool for sports (have two kids in sports almost year-round). Changed to flourescent bulbs where possible (except on dimmers); we use fans and passive solar techniques to minimize AC in summer. We do big loads of laundry on cold water where possible.
Washing the dishes actually uses more energy (water) than a full dishwasher does.
Not to bum everyone out, but CFLs are dangerous; they contain mercury and if they break require special disposal and cleanup. Link to the full article is below, but here’s a relevant excerpt from an article about a woman who had to pay over $2000 for toxic cleanup after breaking a bulb in her kid’s bedroom:
“As each CFL contains 5 milligrams of mercury, at the Maine “safety” standard of 300 nanograms per cubic meter, it would take 16,667 cubic meters of soil to “safely” contain all the mercury in a single CFL. While CFL vendors and environmentalists tout the energy cost savings of CFLs, they conveniently omit the personal and societal costs of CFL disposal. It’s quite odd that environmentalists have embraced the CFL, which cannot now and will not in the foreseeable future be made without mercury. Given that there are about 4 billion lightbulb sockets in American households, we’re looking at the possibility of creating billions of hazardous waste sites such as the Bridges’ bedroom.
Usually, environmentalists want hazardous materials out of, not in, our homes. These are the same people who go berserk at the thought of mercury being emitted from power plants and the presence of mercury in seafood. Environmentalists have whipped up so much fear of mercury among the public that many local governments have even launched mercury thermometer exchange programs.
As the activist group Environmental Defense urges us to buy CFLs, it defines mercury on a separate part of its Web site as a “highly toxic heavy metal that can cause brain damage and learning disabilities in fetuses and children” and as “one of the most poisonous forms of pollution.”
Greenpeace also recommends CFLs while simultaneously bemoaning contamination caused by a mercury thermometer factory in India. But where are mercury-containing CFLs made? Not in the U.S., under strict environmental regulation. CFLs are made in India and China, where environmental standards are virtually non-existent.
http://www.junkscience.com/ByT…..70426.html
#1 way to reduce your carbon footprint: make it your life’s mission to find a place to live as close as you possibly can to where you work. Walking or biking distance if you can. I never cease to be amazed at the people who think they are saving money by buying a cheaper house an hour and a half drive away.
Unfortunately, very little of the US is saturated with public transportation enough to make it practical. I know people in Europe who tell me they don’t even NEED a car for that reason, public transportation saturates the community.
Hybrid cars are not on used car lots, and I don’t buy new cars. I don’t own a home due to attempting to be mobile in my career, and even if I did, most HOA’s wouldn’t take kindly to digging up the greenspace for a garden, at least not in S. FLA. Xeroscaping is about to be vogue down here anyway.
Fuji?
I’m a New Yorker, and we’re pretty much the greenest place in the country, given our person to auto ratio, our sq ft of living space to person ratio and our use of public transportation. Recycling is the law, and the law is enforced.
But, at the same time, buildings leave their lights on all night. Stores in the summer leave their doors open and the AC running. Women hang sweaters on permanently their office chairs so they won’t be cold in the summer indoors at temps set for men in suits. Trucks idle, double parked.
Last summer Bloomberg managed to avoid a possible blackout by simply asking every business to close their doors. A ConEd engineer I know said that had made a huge difference in the overall load.
We could easily cut our energy consumption by 20 percent, and barely notice.
Biodun @ 48
There are places that recycle computers and computer parts, monitors, etc.
We’ve switched over to CFLs, are planning to make the next vehicle a hybrid, try to buy green products and organics as much as possible, and don’t support factory farms.
If anyone has started using CFLs, please be aware that they need to recycled as hazardous waste. They contain significant amounts of mercury, and need to be hazmat handled. It’s unfortunate that the manufacturers don’t advertise this fact. If disposed in land fills, these could become potentially dangerous.
We’re also looking into incrementally switching to solar. Starting with hot water and pump, and going from there. I was disappointed recently when a friend told me that the manufacture of solar power products is heavily polluting – she claims that it is enought o outweigh the benefits – and she has a house that is totally off the grid. I haven’t done follow up research, so I’m not sure about this claim. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
Hi Siun, I’ve been swamped the last six weeks or so – have a tiny respite today, home with a sick child. In another month or so, life will be easier and I’ll be in touch.
ot – webb up on c-span2 trying to explain why he didn’t vote for feingold’s bill to “redeploy” the troops. say’s he’s against an “arbitrary” withdrawal date.
excuse me while i go screaming from the room….
Georgesimian @ 9
The guy at the hardware store here told me that the chemical in Round-up is the same as Agent Orange! I don’t know if that is true or not.
TiredFed @ 10
Do you have to get rid of the thistle, what’ll the poor goldfinches eat? btw they are the P.A. Dutch Distlefink (thistle finch). They rely on the thistle fluff to line their nest, so the nest a little later; and then of course, they feed on the seed.
But thistle is a blight on the managed landscape, and prickly, too, but it’s not all bad!
I bought CFL bulbs, purchased carbon offsets, switched to a vegetarian diet, started recycling properly (not just every now and then) and bothered my friends into doing some of the same things.
Bugboy @ 52
I would love to bike or walk to work but disability prevents me. However, I have a 6 mile commute, nearly all on the highway.
JEP @ 17
You haven’t met some of the stuff I have. You need armor just to handle it, never mind get rid of it. (The stuff that gets spines as soon as it reaches daylight.)
Roundup is what you need for poison oak and poison ivy. (Then you bury the remains – seriously.) It’s also for those of us with more weeds than time. I suspect it’s less toxic than the heavy oil sprays that used to be used for getting rid of weeds.
You can’t dig up some weeds. Nutgrass – you miss one of those bitty tubers, and it’s back. (They used to sell stuff for it, but don’t any more, because it used arsenic.) Then there’s weed-from-hell, which is apparently some kind of knotweed (Polygonum) and has rhizomes that sprout from any bit left (they go deep, too) (and leaves that are wax-coated so spray doesn’t affect it, and it out-competes ivy as well).
PANNA (Pesticide Action North America is a great resource for people looking for ways to garden and farm without killing off their families and neighbors.
PANNA’s web page offers a resource library with oodles of help.
The resource library’s alternatives page points to more assistance for those transitioning away from spreading carcinogens, neurotoxins, and fertility disruptors around and within their dwellings.
Good luck! Your children (and their children, should your adult progeny still be able to reproduce) will thank you.
Wow – folks are doing a lot of good things!
I’m taking notes here …
I will say that companies are doing more – and more. They’ve discovered that a lot of green practices save them money too – better for the environment and for the bottom line.
Mary McCurnin,
We have similar problems. I have been thinking about ways to go green(er) one step at a time, but the Pwrs that Be are no help. So I have started a neighbourhood blog, many of our folks don’t compute so I am delivering by hand to them, just Hello, how are you, stuff that I hope will blossom into othere stuff. Say, a co-op so we can but solar panels at a discount or something, at least share ideas. A neighborhood laundromat, a neighborhood windmill, a neighborhood geothermal dig for house heating, that’s down th road. For now what I am aiming for is 7 houses to go in with me on a Good Food Box program, some carpooling for trips to CostCo and to involve some of my older neighbors who don’t drive at all, and a neighborhood help-each-other sort of thing for my older neighbours who need simple household repairs or trips to the hardware store or garden centre.
I am hooking up with my electrical/electronics genius buddy for a little battery recharger that will work off small bits of energy — a bicycle, an exercycle or rowing machine, a tiny windmill or a little whirligig that snags a few voltsbit of energy from the rain running through my downspouts.
How’m I doing?
On the plus side, I recycle aluminum, plastic, glass, and paper. The last car I bought, I chose specifically with gas mileage as one of the prime considerations.
But there’s a lot more I could be doing. I could (and should) walk to work more often. In fact, I think I’ll walk today, even though its my usual day to drive.
Bob in HI
LS @ 57
HOLD UP! The problem with Agent Orange was Dioxin contamination due to poor quality control due to the shoddy bidding process inherent in government purchasing, not because herbicides are all bad.
Garbo- The source you cite – junkscience -on CFLs is a rightwing anti-environment site. In the past, they claimed that organic foods were bad for you too.
They are funded by folks related to the Hudson Institute and part of the wingnut machine.
And they lie.
LS @ 57
no, that’s not true, agent orange’s the mix of herbicides 24D and 245T.
LS @ 57
Don’t buy Roundup! Its purchase enriches people who are poisoning the planet. Human civilization and agriculture existed for 35,000 years without chemical herbicides.
Half of Americans live within 30 minutes drive of a farmers’ market. Great way to eat health local food, decrease food miles, decrease total hydrocarbons used for food transport…
and live longer.
Mary McCurnin @ 42
it can be agravating… i have less $ than anyone in my family – and i’m the only one paying extra for wind/hydro electricity or CFLs (although i think i’m making progress on that one). mostly they treat me like a chump (even the Ds) for not choosing the least expensive option.
this is what i mean that when i say we must change our culture.
Mary McCurnin @ 42
Mary,
We mix a clove of garlic in with our pooches food in the morning. It’s meant to be a repellant. We have short haired dogs, so it’s easy to do the tick check.
Onions and garlic in high doses can be harmful, but a clove a day is fine. They’re a bit stinky (stinkier) for about an hour after they eat, but they scarf down their meals, and seem really to enjoy it.
kirk murphy @ 62
I love my mantises! And watch over their egg cases all winter.
CSA. Community Share Ag. We buy a share, the farmer brings us locally grown produce ( and a little chicken). I’m going to harvest some venison from his farm this November, but prolly only he and I will eat that (with our mostly veggie family).
Lights, walking, effecient insulation, check.
BTW…buy empty bottles (and reuse), that bottled water is coming from my precious great lake basin. Me and the trout prefer it to stay here, thanks.
Siun @ 63
I know 2 people with home geothermal heating. They say you can keep your home warmer in the winter, cooler in the summer, pay far less, and reduce oil consumption. The upfront cost is higher, but payback is fast.
I’ve replaced all my light bulbs with CFLs they happen to help out alot on my light bill as well as the environment.
TiredFed @ 10
Pull’em up before they go to seed, and put the pulled-up plants in a closed trash bag so they don’t go to seed and disseminate seeds after you pull’em up. That’s what I did when I lived in AZ.
Bob in HI
TexBetsy @ 54:
Yeah I know. But I’ve been too lazy or otherwise too busy to locate them. Besides, I know for a fact that scavengers raid my building dumpster, so I trust them to do the recycling for me and make some bucks for themselves doing it.
The “toxic cleanup” of a busted CFL is an urban myth. The amount of mercury in a CFL is tiny (less than a hundredth of what used to be in those little thermometers), and just thoroughly cleaning up a busted CFL is perfectly adequate “containment”.
Besides which, burning fossil fuels puts mercury into the air we breathe — using a CFL will actually mean less mercury into our environment over the lifetime of the bulb.
We replaced lightbulbs with flourescent bulbs years ago. Have a seven year old Honda Insight that averages around 60 mpg (a great commuter car no longer for sale in the States where there was little interest), and a newer Honda Civic hybrid that gets around 45 mpg. Replaced fridge, washer and dryer with most efficient models available as we could afford to, hang out the laundry several months of the year, have a solar hot water panel for outdoor showers five months of the year, buy local produce as much as possible from local farms and co-op, use the Restore brand refillable cleaning products, recycle, turn on the tap rather than buying bottled water from all over the globe, and this summer added two 400 gallon stock tanks to our rain water storage capacity for watering during dry spells. Removed some large pine trees from the south side of the house for solar gain, planted shade trees to the south and west. We are from the generation that took the first Earth Day very seriously. Americans are brought up to believe that if they want it they should have it, without looking at the costs to society or the planet. Heaven help future generations.
Reading through the comments, I’m reminded of three good reasons to live in Alaska – virtually no thistles, no ticks and – I know it hasn’t come up, but I’ll throw it in there – no snakes. I am growing my favorite thistle, though – artichoke. We are the only state where dandelions are native rather than invasive.
I never spray for bugs, I like most of ‘em anyway. And I especially leave alone the creepy crawlers that eat insect pests. love my spiders, not too fond of the centipedes but if they mind their manners, I won’t punish one if I surprise it in the night.
And I recycle what I can and I try not to use extra energy, doing wash off hours, eg. But I don’t do enough.
Hotflash,
Are you near Sac, CA?
I think you ideas are great.
Also, here is an idea I had. The weather here is HOT. Seems like summer heat could generate the energy to cool the homes. Maybe use the heat in the attic that is vented through those twirlie roof things to make energy. Clearly, I am not a scientist.
Froomkin on Comey:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
Loo Hoo @ 84
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Bio-control is a great educational tool but is really expensive to use, the bugs don’t like to cooperate. First you have to grow the bugs, then you have to make sure they stay where you want them and do what you want them to do. It never works out that way. But the press you get from the attempt usually is worth the effort.
By the way I do agree with the sentiment about mankind getting along fine without pesticides and herbicides for thousands of years, this is all about maximizing profits when you talk about using the materials. Monocultures rarely exist in nature, that’s something scientists and agriculturalists need to take a hint from.
LS @ 57
all those things are neurotoxins.
We’re a two-Prius family (or is that Pri-i?). But I do put a lot of miles on mine, living 13 miles from work, and doing other driving, so I’m going to start riding a bike in one day a week (the time required would be too much to do much more than that).
We have compact flourescents in most places, but a couple of rooms have dimmers, so those have the old-fashioned bulbs. My wife found some LED Christmas lights that are really cool (literally: they stay cool to the touch because they make the light without making heat, which also reduces the fire risk if the tree dries out).
We’ve been thinking about solar, haven’t done anything about it yet.
Well, as I’ve said in another thread, I quit smoking. I bike to the store now (thanks to my healthy lungs) instead of driving. I use those spiral bulbs in every light fixture.
Now if I could just figure out a way to ride my horse to work…
“Weeds”? Weeds are just perfectly reasonable plants that your neighbors don’t happen to like. Tough nouggies, as kids used to say when I was one.
my “G” word is Guinness… I’m probably not doing enough green stuff, though… I need to think of ways I can do more – a lot of times the advise given doesn’t really apply to me… e.g. ride a bike to work… I drive an hour to work in Florida heat and rain…
Ed*ard Teller @ 81
Ah, dandelions, also edible.
OT, unless you consider this situation an example of recycling gone amok:
World Bank officials say the bank’s board is completing an “exit strategy” that will allow World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz to resign this afternoon and “still save some face” over the issue of his efforts to seek a promotion and pay raise for his girlfriend at the bank.
- from ABC News.
TexBetsy (54) — check into Freecycle in re: your computer/technology waste. I know I’m looking for opportunities to recycle old equipment, scavenge regularly for bits and pieces.
Mary McCurnin (42) — you simply do the best you can, and it counts for something. For folks of moderate means, sometimes the easiest way to reduce carbon footprint is to find ways to save money. Using a clothes dryer is more than 25% of my power bill, for example; I use a drying rack or a clothes line whenever possible for this reason, and it’s not only greener but a huge savings. Buying food that’s not processed is a huge savings, too; I can buy a pound of dried lentils and cook them for a dinner that costs under $3 for a family of four, using less energy and packaging than if I bought something partially processed. I also think about how often I use my car and try to cut back. I keep dry milk on the shelf in case we run out in the evening, so that I’m not tempted to run out in the car for a half-gallon of milk using a half-gallon of gasoline.
Bit NOLA (30) — if EVERYBODY did the kinds of things I just described, our carbon footprint would be reduced enough to defer the impending crisis, perhaps long enough for us to actually solve it. Resigning ourselves to defeatism means we might as well just cave in and start culling the herd now, instead of waiting for the inevitable famine and suffering. I take it you’re for culling.
Garbo (51) — there are programs in place and in development for disposing of CFL’s. I use them only where I expect to have lights on all the time for security reasons, to try to both reduce electric consumption while balancing the mercury use.
TiredFed (10) — check GardensAlive!, see if their herbicidal soap will work on thistle, may also work on poison ivy/oak. You can find them on line.
Bugboy @ 86
I never have an insect problem at my house, save the occasional ant incursion. It works for me.
in production you have to integrate your pest management
Someone mentioned their cleaning supplies – I adore, really adore the stuff from Method and use their stuff for everything.
now this will sound like an ad so I’ll mention I have zero connection to this company but I love having my windows smell like mint and my counters like fresh cucumbers! makes cleaning almost fun
jayackroyd @ 87
Round-Up is real hard on fish
Ed*ard Teller @ 93
there’s no saving that face
Let’s see – dry my clothes on a line as much as possible (that’s a lot here in LA); drive a hybrid, although, admittedly, not the really-good-mileage kind; am trying to avoid using AC as much as possible – cooling the house at night by flinging open doors and windows and using fans; and trying to plan my trips so that I leave the house for my various destinations once a day, instead of going out and back several times.
I was biking more earlier, but then my commuter bike got ripped off. I have now replaced that, so I hope to start using it more. (I am up in the hills, so if I have to be unsweaty and presentable, biking is a problem.)
Leahy speaking cspan 2
Excellent post, Siun. A topic that’s near and dear to me.
We practice the three Rs: reduce, reuse, and recycle. Try to buy as few products with extensive packaging as possible. Those little sandwich baggies, we wash them out over and over and reuse them. And finally, recycle EVERYTHING which also means composting.
We’re also in the process of buying a new house. Ironically, it’s further away from our workplaces, but closer to mass transit-so we can start to ride the bus. Also, I’m looking into putting solar panels on our new roof to reduce our electricity consumption.
Elliott @ 82
I never have pest control come to my house if I don’t have to. But some places you rent you don’t have a choice. If you keep your kitchen clean you can avoid most problems, unless your neighbor has a garbage dump for a kitchen.
Sometimes stuff comes in from outside, but if you find a cockroach and it has wings, it’s a wanderer most likely, from outside. You see micros, babies, then you need to start worrying because that means they are breeding inside. A little information goes a long way, you can avoid dosing your house with chemicals if you know what to look for, even with termites and carpenter ant problems.
I’ve used those small ant traps when they get into the silkworms I grow for my lizards and get into the monarch butterflies my wife helps along, and some soapy water for the wasp nest that shows up here and there outside.
Elliott @ 97
There’s a larger problem with using Round-up, too; some crops are being genetically engineered to withstand Round-up, and the genetic drift from these crops into wild or weed-type plants means that eventually they are resistant. And then they have to reengineer the Round-up to make it stronger, then reengineer the crops, and so on.
We should be asking ourselves if we can really afford the cost of the cheaper-to-market foods that are created using pesticides and herbicides; although they are more expensive in the store, organic foods are far less expensive over the course of a lifetime if other repercussions are taken into consideration as the true cost of growing chemically-enabled commercial crops.
…what ways have you found to make your life greener?
I quit smoking!!!
And I research alternative energy. The Water Car. Or The Compressed Air Car. Or The Fuel-Cell Car.
Elliott @ 95
I’m talking on a commercial scale mostly, around your house, if it gives you joy, go for it. S FLA seems to be too hot for mantises, but I used to have them all the time growing up in NY. My wife serves as bio-control of aphids on her beloved milkweeds she grows her monarchs on lol.
P J Evans @ 61
I think we reached a point long ago where we need to learn how to LIVE with some of these “pests” instead of trying to eradicate them… There’s a big difference between “weed control” and “weed eradication”.
Roundup is pure poison, it isn’t just plants dying from its pernicious effect. And if you REALLY want to get to the bottom of the poison mess, just consider two words…”synthetic chemicals.”
In those two words is the key to cancer, and the future. The old hippy’s battle between organic and synthetic resources should be joined by every serious environmentalist “out there” with NO excuses. If you can’t consider eliminating synthetic chemicals due to your mind set, you are part of the problem.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR SYNTHETIC CHEMICALS THAT POISON THE EARTH (US INCLUDED) AND UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO LIVE AND EAT WITHOUT THEM, WE WILL CONTINUE TO FAIL AS STEWARDS OF THIS PLANET!!!
Gotta go…
OT, but does anyone know when Monica Goodling testifies to Congress?
Thanks for any enlightenment…
We’ve always tried to “make do” rather than “buy new” whenever possible.
Also try to do “multi-layer” recycling, in other words, rather than just dumping something, think who else might use it, or have the expertise & interest in re-furbishing, repairing, etc.
We’re in the process of down-sizing right now, so we keep a pretty steady stream of gently-used items streaming to Goodwill, local schools, library, & food-bank (YES, such places gladly accept warm clothing & blankets & find immediate uses for them) etc.
Sometimes, we just put stuff out at the end of our driveway, & needy folk, or flea-market-junkies gladly snap it up for renewed use.
Our old but very usable incubators & brooders & feeders, fencing, lumber, planting supplies, tools etc., from when we had huge garden, chickens & goats were happily accepted by others, including 4-H kids, local raptor-recovery & conservation groups, other do-it-yourself-ers, etc.
Old election campaign-sign frames make great fence extensions for climbing beans and tomatoes, in between serving for their original function. [heh. there’s more than one way to make yer local politicos serve a useful purpose]
Most communities have at least some means of getting rid of recyclables. It’s worth checking around to find what’s workable & what’s not [yet]. Maybe the local politicos need a nudge twd doing a better job in that department. Maybe a neighborhood could band together and combine cardboard, batteries, paint etc., for more efficient recycling.
Before throwing anything out, think first whether it still could hold some value, and how you might direct the item twd a useful end, rather than just tossing.
Learn to enjoy your mixed-crop lawn. It may go dormant seasonally, but maybe that’s a good thing. Mow less, sculpting edges of your lawn and encouraging wild things in the overgrown area. Speed the process by buying or transplaning some native shrubs into the area, especially ones like Red-Osier Dogwood, with fruit that the birds just love to eat.
I know I’ll catch heat for this, but we sometimes use Roundup – very little, and very carefully applied when offending foliage is low (chop it down to lower leaves, if you need to). You need to get the Roundup on leaves, so it can work through them to kill the roots. Try not to use it on anything except stuff that’s just impossible to control any other way – e.g., rampant thistles.
Or-r-r, just to get in trubble from the other side of the argument: you could let the thistles go, and tell all yer neighbors you’re saving them for the Goldfinches, which LOVE the seed ;->
Bugboy @ 102
I admit I don’t live where cockroaches are endemic.
growing silkworms, cool. And monarchs! Since I moved, I don’t grow Monarchs, millkweed just won’t take in my current microenvironment, but I used to keep a patch of milkweed right out front for them. What fun! from the little egg (hanging under the leaf) to the weenie caterpillar (but not for long) to the grown up very importatnt looking caterpillar to that luxurious chrysalis, made of jade with dots of gold. And to have a Monarch Butterfly emerge, magic!
(you must have a funhouse there)
Mary McCurnin @ 83
Hi Mary,
I am in Canada (Toronto), but I know what you mean about the twirly things. One of the problems I have is trying to find ways to vapture small amounts of energy, but as electrical things become more efficient, tiny amounts make more sense. And why are we using high-quality 120volt 60 cycle AC to recharge 6 and 12 volt DC batteries? It makes no sense, it’s like watering your lawn with Perrier. Mary or anyone who wants to puruse this, could you pls e-mail me hotflash-at-thelorekeeper-dot-com?
The “Water Car” is just another perpetual-motion something-for-nothing style scam.
The “Compressed Air Car” and “Fuel-Cell Car” are not “alternative energy”, just different ways of storing and transporting energy and converting it to motion. They may (or may not) be more efficient and/or cleaner ways of doing that than gasoline, but the energy still has to be generated in the first place.
Well, I’m going to get a motorcycle with a sidecar.
I have to go OT because of Comey. I can’t think about anything else.
It is clear now that Gonzo must be impeached ASAP, a new AG installed with the approval of congress, and then, and only then, will we be able to clear out the theives that have taken over our country.
I refust to even call them Republicans
Regarding thistles, I had an infestation after some chicken feed went wild. The next spring I had tons of thistle plants threatening to take over my blueberry field. I yanked them up root and all and they didn’t return. I’m in zone 4, so maybe it’s not as friendly an environment as others.
Bearpaw @ 79
Mercury is an incredibly reactive element – throughout human evolution, the planet’s mercury was locked away in minerals (with the occasional volcanic eruption).
Our species evolved without any selective pressure to withstand the neurotoxic effects of mercury.
As with lead, there is no safe level of mercury contamination.
The trace amounts of mercury in CFL’s are cause for concern in any household.
I personally use them (with great care).
Rayne @ 103
that evil Monsanto
you make such great points and it comes back to
LOBBY reform!
and education, as well as intelligent leadership — in all areas of society.
The true cost cannot be ignored no matter how hard we try
We also count ourselves among those who never spray for insects. Just don’t need to.
If you coddle your garden veggies so they grow fast enough, most of the time bugs won’t bother them.
When we do spray, a simple mix of mild dish detergent & water kills most insects – must just gum ‘em up & work that way, but it’s plenty effective for our needs…
gotta go, if the thunder don’t get me, the lightening will
Mercury is evil. I think the word neurotoxin is too sanitized, better to use the phrase “brain poison.”
Mercury poisons your brain and your nervous system.
itwasn’t me at 112, good idea, I should get my motorcycle running again, too.
We’ve completely insulated the house with a rock wool material (Roxul), which is made about 20 miles from here (Toronto). That has made a huge difference in our 125 year old house. We have an on-demand water heater that is also the house heat. We put in a couple of skylights.
We’ve replaced many of the incandescents in the house with fluorescents. One problem though is dimmers. We installed electronic dimmers that reduce power usage, but there are no fluorescents that can be dimmed.
BTW, Canada is phasing out sales of incandescent bulbs over the next 5 years.
We are considering a woodstove in the basement shop – harpsichord building generates wood scraps. We’re not sure about that though – woodsmoke can be a polutant.
One small thing – I use bottled ink in my fountain pens – I hate throwing empty cartridges away, so all my pens (that are not already bottle feeders) have converters.
As Iraq Burns the Diane Rehm Show and NPR’s Talk of the Nation doing their part to help Americans stay in their well insulated bubbles.
On Diane’s show today they talked about car production and weddings. Conan is doing a show on upcoming T.V. shows. This is the “supposed” liberal left wing media and this is the best they can do to shine the light on critical issues, inform the American people and take the conversation and debate up a notch? Scary! Wonder what Fox and Limbaugh have folks focused on today? The cheese industry?
Far more frightening for the Iraqi people, because they are feeling the direct consequences of our apathy, complacency and brutality!
Going on over to Amy Goodmans Democracy Now for the Real news.
Bearpaw @ 111
That’s why it’s called RESEARCH! Fuel-Cell Energy on Demand. Or Windmills in the Sky. Or Ocean wave Energy.
Or you can just make the check out to Halliburton. Think outside the US/TV/IdiotBox.
I am wishing that my choice, Edwards (assuming Gore does not run) for the next president, would release his tax returns. Not good PR not to.
HotFlash @ 110
Hey, have one answer for both of you.
Harbor Freight carries solar-powered battery chargers, and they also carry a solar-powered attic fan. Thinking about getting both this year since my house has an abundance of open space to collect sun. I’m certain the battery charger would pay for itself in one year, maybe 2-3 years for the attic fan (don’t use as much A/C in my area).
Elliott @ 109 I admit I don’t live where cockroaches are endemic.
growing silkworms, cool. And monarchs! Since I moved, I don’t grow Monarchs, millkweed just won’t take in my current microenvironment, but I used to keep a patch of milkweed right out front for them. What fun! from the little egg (hanging under the leaf) to the weenie caterpillar (but not for long) to the grown up very importatnt looking caterpillar to that luxurious chrysalis, made of jade with dots of gold. And to have a Monarch Butterfly emerge, magic!
(you must have a funhouse there)
I call them milkweed, but it’s known as asclepia (sp?) and there’s a gazillion different varieties. Yea, it’s a funhouse allright, with all the mouths to feed. Adopted a stray quaker parrot about a year ago, it’s a hand raised one too and a sweetheart. He’s got a squawk to him, named him Squawg, after an episode of Spongebob where they go prehistoric. I’m considering naming him El Birdo and teaching him how to say “I don’t recall”.
Siun, I was pretty bummed out by “Da Honorable Mayor Daley’s” blue bag program which undoubtedly was created by the campaign contributor clowns who owned and operated the landfills. Anyway, Richie has reinstituted recycling centers (not well advertised) and has an experimental blue bin recycling program for a few wards. “curbside recycling bins would be distributed to homes in seven wards next year on an experimental basis.” Here are links if interested.
http://www.chicagorecycling.or……10.06.pdf
City to wave white flag on blue bags
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..0486.story
Chicago Recyling Coalition
http://www.chicagorecycling.org/index.php
The CFL’s brighten the longer they’re on and stay cool to the touch. Good for hall lights, sucks if you like dimmers.
BTW – the photo I used is one I took in Treasure Beach, Jamaica – where I had a great chance to learn about how folks there lived a very ecologically sound life – by necessity. From using the interior bristles of a coconut to scrub the floor to using rooftop collectors to provide hot water, it was great – and a good example of how luxurious in it’s own way green living can be.
Note: its impossible for me to type possessives or contractions without the “find on this page” feature kicking into gear. So please excuse typos.
Anyhow, this is OT, but I cant get past the nerve of the White House following Comeys testimony or the vacuum that is the press — two questions! thats the sum total of attention the issue received in todays press conference: oh brother
g’afternoon firepups – just been lurking b/c ive been fighting a very nasty cold – as for my greening – i put those cfl bulbs in, re-use my shopping bags and try to buy enough so i dont have to shop often thus saving gas – only use AC when its unbearingly hot – like in the 90s here in jersey – my ceiling fans are very effective – and i’m learning the lost art of walking again lol.
RockPaperScissors – yep, I see a lot of “we’re going to be a sustainable city” talk from city hall but not a lot of action.
Gotta keep pushing!
In California and Oregon, eco-entrepeneurs bring goats to devour blackberries, thistles, poison oak, and the like on private land.
In many areas of the country, one can find a “goatherd” who will bring their critters to come eat your pesky plants….
PANNA would be a good place to look for more info…
Bugboy @ 125
I call them milkweed, but it’s known as asclepia (sp?) and there’s a gazillion different varieties. Yea, it’s a funhouse allright, with all the mouths to feed. Adopted a stray quaker parrot about a year ago, it’s a hand raised one too and a sweetheart. He’s got a squawk to him, named him Squawg, after an episode of Spongebob where they go prehistoric. I’m considering naming him El Birdo and teaching him how to say “I don’t recall”.
that’s good. El Birdo: “I don’t recall”
Good- I bike everywhere, we get vegetables from a CSA, our new house will have solar panels, passive solar, efficient lights, efficient appliances.
Bad- I don’t like to think how much energy our new house is taking to build.
For those installing new lights, nowadays there are dimmers available for fluorescents. In fact, I believe those dimmers are required for new construction in my area.
As a semi-retired recycler my pet pieve is consumption. Slowing the stream of garbage to the landfill or incinerator. I’m forunate to live in a community that has competing resourse recovery outfits. We in Oregon are in the upper tier of recovery nationwide, if not at he tops. Our household is a bit of the ‘last wild’ in the neighborhood. Non-poluting cleaners, 25 years gardening, self-service garbage(80 gals. of crap to the dumps every 3 mos.) which means regularly using the recycling services about every two weeks, and heavy dependence on the bicycle. I am committed to not driving 2-3 days per week. Main bread winner has bicylced to her work for 15 years and gets $ credited monthly for alternate transportation. It’s not easy to incorpoate these measures to reduce, reuse & recyle and one step at a time becomes a simpiler way, so others may simply live.
kirk murphy @ 131
We have been having a big problem with ticks on our dogs and cats. We keep finding them in our bed at night even though we are combing the dogs after a walk. The info from PANNA is very helpful. Thanks!
kirk murphy @ 131
My Grandfather used them back in the sixties and seventies for that.
They. are. efficient..
They can clear an acre of blackberry vines clear to the ground in about 2 months.
Bolton belongs jail for war crimes! Next stop Iran!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..tid=531418
rwcole are you here? If so, where is your (and your bro’s) bike shop? Always looking for someplace to vacation where I can ride and stop in and say hello to other bike people. By the way, I ride a coln*go road bike and a gi*nt mtn bike. No downhill for me…too old. Ride a speci*lized hybrid to and from work sometimes.
Dimmable compact fluorescents are available now. Just Google “dimmable fluorescent” and you’ll get a slew of results.
We’ve focused on cutting water use, which in California consumes a significant portion of the state’s electrical energy. The lawn is gone. Our yard is now devoted either to organic food production, habitat with California native plants, or a small area of very efficiently irrigated roses. We have a highly efficient washer and air dry much of our laundry.
We shop much more efficiently, focusing on locally produced products, little meat, and are joining a CSA.
We have cut our energy usage with bulb choice, skylights and natural light, and energy efficient appliances. Water heater is next on the list for replacement. Turning off lights and reducing consumption was a much better solution than solar, which will involve replacement of entire sections of the roof, which doesn’t need replacement.
We traded one car in for a Prius, and we have really cut our miles driven dramatically by trip-chaining, walking, biking, and lower overall consumption.
I’m pretty enthusiastic (to the point of being anal) on my personal greening. Sometimes I think I should be more aggressive in encouraging others, particularly in regards to vegetarianism. Seriously would it kill people to go vegi at least once a week? Carnivores can be so touchy.
Yes compact bulbs are rather dim, but the new LEDs are going to put that problem to rest. They do cost a lot more initially but you’ll never replace them.
Oh and for the people with weed problems. Check out http://www.gardensalive.com – lots of great garden products for the organic gardener and in particular a product called WOW (wipe out weeds) derived from corn that prevents the seeds from sprouting. Obviously you have to pull the established ones and you need to use transplants of your wanted plants in the areas you use it but I can personally vouch for the effectiveness.
Mary, I’m delighted that PANNA is helpful for you!
my brother was an avid biker – and always tried to get me to switch to biking but i feel i’d be a bit odd-looking on a bike at my age – also very self-conscious lol as i’m a big woman hahaha – TMI i’m afraid
When I was growing up most everything was closed on Sundays. Think of the pollution cut back if just one day a week nothing was open. I suppose in this way I’m not a progresive. Rather, a ‘regressive’.
Siun @ 130
I don’t think it is a mandatory program, but San Antonio is at least making an effort. They distributed, at least in my neighborhood, trash and recycle bins. One pick-up per week of trash, one of recycles. Set the bin on the street and the truck comes back with automated pick-up (haven’t bothered to stand outside and see how it’s actually done.
Recylcles include plastics #1-7 (that includes styrofoam), cardboard, newspapaers, magazines, plastic bags, letters/junk mail, glass, aluminum and so on. No special sorting on my end, just wash out anything that’s had food.
If I could get bright LEDs, I’d replace all the bulbs in the house, no matter what the cost, immediately. Dim light actually pains my eyes.
Back to the last thread for a second – I’ve just finally gotten the text of the Cochran amendment which passed with 87Y in the Senate today after Reid said “you know we’re all going to vote for it:
At the appropriate place, insert the following:
SEC. __. SENSE OF THE SENATE ON FUNDING FOR OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM AND OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM.
(a) Findings.–The Senate makes the following findings:
(1) The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces.
(2) The United States Armed Forces are currently engaged in military operations in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom on behalf of the national security interests of the United States.
(3) The funds previously appropriated to continue military operations in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom are depleted.
(4) The President requested more than 100 days ago supplemental appropriations to continue funding for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom.
(5) Congress has not passed a supplemental appropriations bill to continue funding for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom in a manner that the commander in chief believes gives the United States Armed Forces and the Iraqi people the best chance to succeed at establishing a safe, stable, and sustainable democracy in Iraq.
(6) A supplemental appropriations request to fund ongoing combat operations in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom should remain focused on the war effort by providing the resources necessary for United States troops abroad and in the United States.
(b) Sense of the Senate.–It is the sense of the Senate that Congress should send legislation to the President providing appropriations for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom in a manner that the President can sign into law by not later than May 28, 2007.
FYI, New thread
Oklahoma kiddo @ 144
With a seventh day for rest, a society gets a pulse, a rhythm, and a rest. it’s like our pacemaker, and now we’re in atrial fibrillation (or something)
I’m visiting my brother in Kansas City right now and there are bike paths EVERYWHERE! Most of them follow the streams and creeks that criss cross the city so you can get everywhere with very little traffic interaction. I read that when they are completed there will be over 1500 miles of path in the KC metro area. So cool! Someone was planning ahead that’s for sure…
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In 1998-2000 I worked (as part of PSR-LA) with the LA Safe Schools coalition: the LASSC (all six active members got the 750,000 student LA Unified School District to adopt a radical Integrated Pest Management Plan which has proved a model for reduction of pesticide/herbicide use in public institutions.
Who cares, Murphy? Why wave faded laurels?
We had physicians, moms, community members, a great organizer – and we needed a nozzle-head.
We needed someone with the pest control credibility and the dedication to non-toxic/least toxic methods.
We found him in Bill Currie – former director of the EPA’s IPM system.
For anyone needing to hire a consultant – or considering calling an IPM consultant – Bill is the real deal.
He knows his stuff, he’s ethical, he’s scrupulously honest – and a heck of nice guy.
Contact info:
International Pest Management Institute P. O. Box 474, Ash Fork AZ 86320 928-637-2378 Bill Currie, Director bugebill@earthlink.net
(If you call, please tell Bill I said “hi” :)
and Kelven, so glad you brought up the corn gluten herbicide…learned about it from Bill…
good stuff.
*ilbo @ 134
Agreed! I am trying to get into the habit of always thinking about what will happen to stuff when it comes time to dispose of it. Most of what we throw out anymore is packaging. I can’t buy everything in bulk, but I recently saw some CFL’s at CostCo which were packaged in reusable storage containers rather than throw-away blister backs. Great idea, want more!
I never use air conditioning. I don’t drive anywhere (also a native NYer). And I don’t eat beef. I vowed to replace incandescent bulbs as they burned out with CFL’s but I’ve lived in my apartment for three years and no bulb has burned out yet.
Here’s a site with some math on CFL’s and Hg.
Longtime lurker here…
My project is for fellow homeowners, required less than $1000 and a bit of elbow grease.
I had a ridge-vent added to my roof when it needed to be replaced (incremental upgrade charge). I followed that up with installation of soffit vents appended to an unrelated contracting job. Then I bought cellulose-based insulation and rented an insulation blower so I could fill my attic with an extra 1-2 feet of insulation and bring it up to or beyond R30. The difference in energy consumption was immediately noticed, and I estimate that the projects have already paid for themselves within a year.
In Austin you can get tremendous rebates and/or discounts on the following:
* CFLs as mentioned in the article
* HET – high efficiency toilets
* Rainbarrels to attach to your gutter downspouts
* Water-efficient front-loading washing machines.
* Solar panels – major rebate on the installation market-cost payments from the city to you for any excess electricity provided back to the grid.
Other goodies provided to Austinites include:
* ~$50 paid to you by the city for any old refrigerators that are still working (but inefficient).
* Free programmable thermostat (with free installation) that uses duty-cycle regulation from a central city-operated radio beacon to ensure you don’t have random occurrences of entire subdivisions’ AC units turning on simultaneously.
-TexasHippie
Lou Costello @ 122
Good afternoon everyone.
Hey Lou, I see you’re in fine form, as always. *g*
I reduce pollution by never turning on Faux Nooz and we have a very successful organic composting in Toronto and its suburbs, that have seen a 60 – 70% reduction in garbage going to the dumps.
My ‘yogi’ advice to all my dear friends at FDL is to do what you can, do not beat yourself up for not doing more and create as much harmony as you are able to, around you.
TexasHippie @ 155
Excellent example, TH, hope you’ll comment more often. If this roof vent/insulation project paid for itself in a year, heck, that’s $1000 return each year after. Holy crap, that’s most of my car insurance bill and some gas expense right there, that’s 3-4 months winter power bills, that’s a kid’s college fund…wow, that’s a hella good savings.
And green.
I think that’s a huge factor that most folks don’t realize as they move to green — that there can be real, substantive savings to them that can pay for the things really needed in our lives instead of ecologically-impoverishing stuff.
OT – Anybody seen this about Department of Education private emails related “Reading First” from CREW:
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/28382
My ‘yogi’ advice to all my dear friends at FDL is to do what you can, do not beat yourself up for not doing more and create as much harmony as you are able to, around you.
Petrocelli, sweet good advice!
And you all thought I was crazy for suggesting the US get into the refinery business.
From ConsumersUnion.org:
“We need a strategic refinery reserve and a strategic product reserve that are dedicated to ensuring we have excess capacity sufficient to discipline pricing abuse.”
Full article here.
Reading First.
http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Literacy/texasScam.asp
Rayne @ 157
Same thing with regards to corporations going green. Forcing coal plants to follow pollution standards = better operating efficiency… etc.
BTW in my case I went from an extremely poorly insulated house (R30, up to R45 in most places). The difference was immense and will continue to save me money for a while.
There is high financial ROI right now for most energy projects, but water conservation will become increasingly important (esp. in the southwest) as cyclical El Nino / La Nina causes non-linear price increases.
Lastly, as a tribute to Emptywheel I’m strongly considering installing rainbarrels to have a source of water (along with camper’s iodine or filter devices) for drinking/etc. on the chance of a virus pandemic such as H5N1. Some folks stock food and ammunition for the armageddon, but I’d like to do something positive in the meanwhile with my paranoia :)
-TexasHippie
TiredFed @ 10
We live on a 5 acre garden orchard arboretum.
When we first arrived here 30 years ago, the land had been neglected for several years and there was an 80 year old abandoned bungalow with barbed wire, blackberry and Canadian thistle. First we dismantled the barbed wire fencing, made a bonfire of the half rotten fenceposts, coiled up all of the barbed wire and sold it for scrap metal.
Barbed wire is a wicked weed, spread by the human species and the ally of blackberry, thistle, nettles and field bindweed.
I confess, at first I used Roundup on lush blackberry foliage in early June, its most vulnerable time before the berries form.
We didn’t find roundup to be particularly effective on blackberry.
Roundup will kill the roots but not the seeds from previous years.
We mowed the field for many years and were gradually able to eliminate use of herbicides but by only by an increase in the consumption of fossil fuel.
Mowing suppresses perennial weeds and they will eventually give it up to the volunteer clover and grasses.
Other weed tactics we’ve employed with varying degrees of success include smothering the ground with layers of newspapers or black plastic. It takes 3 years to kill off all the underground rhizomes, but the seeds from previous years will emerge.
Torching thistle seed heads just before they get caught by the wind is effective.
Have a hose handy if you do this so you don’t start a range fire.
We didn’t notice any decrease in the goldfinch population after years of doing this, Elliot.
We found planting trees is the most effective weed control strategy by far.
It just takes a lot of patience.
The trees we planted 30 years ago now form a shade canopy.
Most noxious weeds are human camp followers, designed to occupy disturbed land and quickly convert sun energy into biomass.
We found noxious weeds don’t thrive under a shade canopy.
So now we don’t have to buy any Roundup.
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I posted this on DKos about a month ago: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/13/142256/187
It talks about the effort I got started in my office of about 200 people. Since I posted this, we have ordered recycled, washable plates to replace the styrofoam ones in the office and we had a meeting today and are getting ready to order mugs to replace the styrofoam cups. We have also started separating our recyclables (and then we found out that our waste management company was actually already separating and recycling — who knew?). We still have a lot to do, but people are reacting very favorably to our early efforts.
As for at home, I’ve changed most of my bulbs to CFLs, but have to buy more (Costco was actually out of them last week!). My lease on my car isn’t up for another year, but I plan to get either a SMART Car (www.smartusa.com) or a MINI. The American hybrids available just don’t fit what I want in a car and most of the Japanese ones are more expensive than the MINI or the SMART Car — neither is a hybrid, but both get great mileage, especially the SMART Car. In the next few months, I plan to replace my circa 1980 refrigerator with a new EnergySaver model. I’ve signed up for our electric company’s GreenCurrents program. I unplug certain plugs when not in use. I’ve started using reusable grocery bags when I go to the store (www.1bagatatime.com).
There’s more to do, but I feel like I’ve gotten a good start.
Oh, yes, and I’m active in the Draft Gore movement!
TexasHippie – welcome aboard and please keep commenting!
Your info is very helpful – and Austin is one of the places that’s really stepping up. Thanks for representing!
(my son is an Austinite though temporarily off in College Station – I envy his “home”)
Oh, yes, I forgot — I recycle as much as I can. Our community takes all kinds of plastic and paper in addition to the usual kinds and even takes batteries.
Siun @ 165
Thanks. I have to say I’m surprised to find folks reading (and replying to!) messages this far down. I used to be a regular and was an early Plameologist, but I lost interest with commenting on the earlier message board. Technical improvements aside, I think Jane and Christy have done an amazing job of sustaining this community as it grows by sharing responsibilities with strong contributors such as yourself.
Thanks to all who, in turn, keep Christy and Jane going.
-TexasHippie
Sharon – I saw my first US SMART car the other day and was so happy. Had seen them in Europe and fell in love – if I ever convince myself to replace to ancient rarely used subaru, that or a Mini (yummm!) are my choices I think (esp since the Insight is gone)
Welcome Texas Hippy – glad you’re here!
In Austin as well, have a planned remodel which would put in a ridge vent along with quality insulation job. I passed on the blown in insulation- it breaks down and makes your attic gross, hard to get anyone to go in for electrical etc. (though I do my share of that). Since my attic mostly inaccessible, waited for the next roof job and will roll the insulation in. Strongly considering solar as part of remodel- seems to me all southern remodels should consider it, get it bundled with the loan. Living in hot Texas, I NEED AC and solar seems a small price to pay.
I reuse shopping bags at grocery store- nice way to reduce waste, hardly ever see anyone else do it.
I buy used- a great way to recycle. I fix stuff to keep it out of the trash. Keep your car a long time- a new car takes a ton of energy to make. Make use of cheapness- often paying more for something means paying for more energy usage.
Live close to work- suburban house price differentials still don’t reflect cost of commuting, much less enviro impact. I try to minimize miles, combine trips, really don’t drive much.
In addition to minimizing pesticide use, try to almost never fertilize, unless you do it with compost. Lawn fertilizer runoff a major factor in non-point source pollution.
Oh, one more thing — they keep coming to me. I started turning the pressure down in the shower so less water comes out of the faucet. I’m having a hard time getting my hubby to turn off the water when he shaves or brushes his teeth, but I’m working on it.
As opposed to natural chemicals, I guess? We’ve been using ‘natural’ chemicals for millennia to do this. Rotenone was noticed because people used the plant that it naturally comes from to kill fish for food. It isn’t the only one.
I don’t believe in using weedkillers and insecticides unnecessarily. It’s just that there’s a time and a place for them. (Try removing buffalo-bur sometime, or one of the thistles that gets spines as soon as it hits sunlight. You’ll be glad to have Roundup around. Try dealing with hull-flies in your walnuts: You have to spray, there’s no ’safe, natural’ way to stop them. Or termites. Everyplace it doesn’t get genuininely cold in the winter, you have termites. There are few reasonably safe methods – and I’d much prefer a safe one.)
Also, there was a story in yesterday’s LA Times about the bubbles in the tar pits. Someone finally investigated them properly, and discovered there’s 200 to 300 species of bacteria in the tar that were previously unknown, ‘eating’ the oil and producing methane. (They froze the tar sample with liquid nitrogen, then did DNA analysis.)
I can’t do CFL, but I do have dimmers
Organic, organic, organic
local, local, local
garden, garden garden
compost
recycling
Use vinegar, peroxide, lemon juice and water and Oxyclean to clean the house.(cleans just about anything!)
Handwash dishes
Oxyclean replaced Bleach
Bike and walk anywhere within 5 miles.
tankless water heater coming this year!
Garbo @ 51
Hypatia sez:
Consider the source:
Steven Milloy publishes JunkScience.com and CSRWatch.com. He is a junk science expert, and advocate of free enterprise and an adjunct scholar at the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
“Junkscience” might also be called “Republicanscience,” which is not to say Mr. Milloy would be wrong 100% of the time.
Yes, Hg is nasty, but I’d be double-checking these assertions (can’t now, at work) with some other sources, like some of the folks on Scienceblogs.com.
Things like solar need to be installed on apartment buildings and business buildings too. It will probably require public/private funding for that. It won’t replace all the electricity, but it will help.
Mary McCurnin @ 42
I think the very best folks can do in this case would be 1) Conserve (shut off, turn down, do without electronic gadgets with minimal life enhancing qualities) and for the remaining energy use: BUY GREEN energy. It might cost $20 more per month but it is fueling the US alternative energy economy as well as your house. Many states will pay for your energy upgrades if you qualify income wise (e.g. in NY NYSERDA has grants available).
Garbo @ 51
The question to ask is how much mercury does a coal fired power plant emit per pount of coal. The answer is FAR more than the minimal amount of mercury in the CFLs. Most towns have a hazerdous waste collection site – take them there!
ISO Guide 65 specifies general requirements that a third-party operating a product or service certification system shall meet if it is to be recognized as competent and reliable. Adherence to the USDA ISO Guide 65 Program ensures that the certification agency operates a third-party certification system in a consistent and reliable manner.
So many ECO programs lack any real teeth. When we created the Organic Rules we made sure that there were third parties to check Organic claims and there was a system to check the inspection companies, specifically that they follow ISO 65 regulations.
It always makes me a little angry that the ECO crowd cannot set up to the plate and follow Organics which is as green as you can get.
I think it is great to find out what everyone is doing so far. I’ve been traveling down the greener path for awhile so I’ve hit the basics (e.g. hybrid, insulated house, dry on the line, yadda, yadda, yadda) but I am increasingly convinced the the number one thing an individual can and should be doing (besides buying green energy) is getting the states to declare moratoriums on building new coal fired plants. If anyone has any ideas on the best way to get this done, I would love to hear them.
P J Evans @ 172
If you took all the things on top of the earth, man-made and natural and put them on a scale with all the bacteria under the soil, the micro critters would be heavier. Bacteria rules
Mary McCurnin @ 42
Back in the day Jimmy Carter had a plan for the federal government to cover the cost upgrading homes to be energy efficient, I think it was a combination of tax credits and assistance to lower income families.
If DC gas bags has listened instead of laughed we would not have the energy problems we have today.
First for those who say what we do doesnt make a difference – that is a combination of denial and despair. If every household in America installed just one CFL that would be equivalent to taking 1 million cars off the road for one year.
I drive slower – and try to never go beyond 60 mph. Every 5 mph you drive over 60 is like paying 20 cents more per gallon of gas. I try to drive less – rather than driving my son to a distant park we walk to a local park or to the local college park. Most weekends and afterschool are all walking adventures for us.
CFLs in my house except my few dimmers. I unplug microwave, all electronic appliances, I use passive solar for the most part and rarely turn on my lights even though they are CFLs. I have a front load washing machine. I’m learning to live like it’s winter in the winter and like it;s summer in the summer. Trying not to use cooling or heating too much at all and have been pretty successful with it.
Always concious about the products I buy and the amount of packaging they have and if I really need the product. Try to recycle diligantly – everything.
Also drive a hybrid when I do drive.
On my list of to dos – Hot water heater blanket – low flow shower head – be more diligant with unplugging appliances and electronics – Should compost.
Thanks for the original post and keeping me on my toes!