It's kind of hard to know where to begin in addressing the death of "Moral" "Majority" founder and professional rock-throwing villager Jerry "Hellmouth" Falwell. It seems like it was about two hours after I came out of the closet back in the deep, dark Reagan 80's that Falwell rose to prominence on a wine-dark wave of oily sanctimony and anti-gay bigotry, which he rode all the way to the highest reaches of government.
Yes, Falwell is the man we have to thank for the "Christian" Right's ongoing assault on the wall between church and state and the unconscionable incursions of religion into American public policy. The infringement of snake-handling faux-Christian bigotry into government has placed our country years behind the rest of the world in terms of personal liberty, women's rights, gay rights, public health, AIDS treatment and research, and education. (Not to mention stem-cell research, science education, and even the arts.)
Falwell made gay-bashing into a cottage industry and then into a corporate and political juggernaut. His "ministry" provided the template for Empires of Hate like Pat Robertson's multi-million-dollar television network and associated enterprises, as well as the ever-vile Fred Phelps's merry band of slope-headed funeral crashers, and Donald Wildmon's American Family Association, as well as your Dobsons, Brent Bozells, and even the smarmy lily-white preacherisms of disgraced Tennessee Senator Bill Frist.
Still, in Falwell's declining years, even other Far-Right radicals were beginning to disown him as his statements became ever more extreme and nonsensical. The Sagacious Digby has an excellent run-down of Falwell's career, which begins thusly:
Everyone will be writing remembrances and elegies for Jerry Falwell today because he had an enormous influence on American life of the past quarter century which will continue to be felt for some time to come. In his favor, I can say that he always seemed to be a man of good humor and calm demeanor who seemed to know on some level that he was playing a role, whether political or theatrical. But his rather placid personality can't make up for the fact that he was at the epicenter of some of the most "uncivil" and unseemly political hit-jobs of the past couple of decades.
Steve Benen has a nice round-up of his greatest hits at the Carpetbagger Report, but there's one episode that I think most aptly symbolizes his legacy. If you want to see one of the more vivid examples of where the discourse went directly into the sewer, look no further than this:
"The Clinton Chronicles: An Investigation into the Alleged Criminal Activities of Bill Clinton," is a 1994 film created by Patrick Matrisciana. This video explored the deaths of Vincent Foster and an alleged cocaine-smuggling operation. These deaths were part of the debunked conspiracy theory known as the "Clinton Body Count", which grew as years went by, as connections to Clinton were added with varying degrees of allegedly suspicious circumstances surrounding the deaths.[...]
VHS copies of the film were promoted and distributed via television infomercials by Moral Majority leader Rev. Jerry Falwell, who also appears in the film. Falwell's infomercial for the 80-minute tape included footage of Falwell interviewing a silhouetted journalist who was afraid for his life. The journalist accused Clinton of orchestrating the deaths of several reporters and personal confidants who had gotten too close to his illegalities. However, it was subsequently revealed that the silhouetted journalist was, in fact, Patrick Matrisciana, the producer of the video and president of Citizens for Honest Government. "Obviously, I'm not an investigative reporter," Matrisciana admitted (to investigative journalist Murray Waas), "and I doubt our lives were actually ever in any real danger. That was Jerry's idea to do that … He thought that would be dramatic."
So, just for the record, apparently Falwell-style "Family Values" included overt falsehoods, unfounded rumor-mongering, and baseless accusations of murder and extortion, all in the name of subverting the political process. But, you know, look around the web tonight. The hits keep coming.
Carpetbagger has a round-up of Rev. Punkinhead's Greatest Hits, including such toe-tappers as:
August 1980: After Southern Baptist Convention President Bailey Smith tells a Dallas Religious Right gathering that “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew,” Falwell gives a similar view. “I do not believe,” he told reporters, “that God answers the prayer of any unredeemed Gentile or Jew.” After a meeting with an American Jewish Committee rabbi, he changed course, telling an interviewer on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that “God hears the prayers of all persons…. God hears everything.”
July 1984: Falwell is forced to pay gay activist Jerry Sloan $5,000 after losing a court battle. During a TV debate in Sacramento, Falwell denied calling the gay-oriented Metropolitan Community Churches “brute beasts” and “a vile and Satanic system” that will “one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven.” When Sloan insisted he had a tape, Falwell promised $5,000 if he could produce it. Sloan did so, Falwell refused to pay and Sloan successfully sued. Falwell appealed, with his attorney charging that the Jewish judge in the case was prejudiced. He lost again and was forced to pay an additional $2,875 in sanctions and court fees.
October 1987: The Federal Election Commission fines Falwell for transferring $6.7 million in funds intended for his ministry to political committees.
November 1997: Falwell accepts $3.5 million from a front group representing controversial Korean evangelist Sun Myung Moon to ease Liberty University’s financial woes.
January 1999: Falwell tells a pastors’ conference in Kingsport, Tenn., that the Antichrist prophesied in the Bible is alive today and “of course he’ll be Jewish.”
February 1999: Falwell becomes the object of nationwide ridicule after his National Liberty Journal newspaper issues a “parents alert” warning that Tinky Winky, a character on the popular PBS children’s show “Teletubbies,” might be gay.
And, of course, my personal favorite:
September 2001: Falwell blames Americans for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. “The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen.’”
Because Lord knows, it was a bunch of Lesbian Pagan Anti-Religionists who hijacked those planes and flew them into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. A band of religious true-believers would never do a thing like that!
Let's go to Alan Wolfe at Salon:
One never wants to speak ill of the dead, but in the case of Jerry Falwell, how can one not?
Say 'Amen!', somebody. Can I get a witness?
And that, really, is Falwell's legacy. To the religious life of the United States he made no significant contribution. But to the political life of the country, he made one: He founded the Moral Majority. In so doing, Falwell managed to take something holy — one does not have to be a Christian to admire the life and teachings of Jesus Christ — and turned it into something partisan and divisive. Falwell, the quintessential conservative Christian, was always more conservative than Christian. To the extent that history will remember him, it will be as a politician, not as a preacher.
Indeed. We come here tonight to bury Falwell, not to praise him.
Instead of pondering Jerry Falwell's legacy, we would be better off asking how this man ever become a public figure in the first place. America has had more than its share of religiously inspired demagogues — Dr. Fred Swartz, Billy James Hargis, Carl McIntyre come to mind — but they are forgotten figures, marginal even to the times in which lived. One would like to believe that the United States has become a bigger and better country since the days when men like them preached about captive nations and denounced the pernicious influence of rock 'n' roll. But then there is Jerry Falwell. In death, as he did in life, he reminds us that demagoguery never dies; it just changes its form. Jerry Falwell expressed great hate for a lot of his fellow Americans. It is no wonder that so many of them will greet his death with something less than love.
I'm certainly not weeping buckets. And at least God put him down in a swift and fairly painless manner, rather than having him, say, fall out of a sixth floor window to die impaled on a spiked fence, squirming like a salted slug. But I do believe that when a person has made a life of polluting the world with violent, irrational hatred of their fellow man, the human race is perhaps a little richer for their passing.
And that, my friends, is all I have to say about that.
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first?
zedaroo?
ZeD☼
curses, foiled again!
LoudounLib @ 0
Congratulations!
ufb, I got a zed!
The folks downstairs have been apprised of TRex’s arrival.
thanks lolo!
Klaus!
In 1981 I began an effort called “Stop Moral Majority.”
When I put out the call I said the following.
“We must act now, before these modern day scribes, pharisees, hipocrites and doctors of the law use the Constitution to bring the wrath of our nuclear and chemical stupidity to life in the name of God.”
Can’t say I didn’t warn ya…
boing boing boing (forward pike position to sommersault into cannonball with huge splash aimed at TSF)
Evening TRex.
I love Jon Stewart — pinning Timmeh to the wall about why no KKKarl appearing on TV.
GO JS — but but but they call you on background!
Jeff Zucker must be having heart palpitations.
JS: (their) “contempt for democracy”
So, will the ever-vile Fred Phelps’s merry brand of slope-headed funeral crashers be crashing Jerry’s funeral?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Suzanne, in my amazement at getting the zed, I plumb forgot to do the linky thing downstairs with my announcement ;-)
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 12
Now THAT would be poetic justice.
Congratulations on your zed, LL. I did it for ya :)
Oh my god!!!
JS confronting Timmeh on the WH Corrspondents Dinner and the Rove piece. Timmeh, of course, is ducking but JS is bringing it up!
Hi y’all. How’s everybody?
Now I will go read.
TRex, excellent post as always. I can’t say anything that hadn’t been said in Jane’s post earlier today, except that I don’t mourn Falwell and I won’t miss him.
I wonder what the Vegas oddsmakers are giving the odds that Boosh goes to Falwell’s funeral – which will (imho) be similar to that given to a head of state.
I hope Fred Phelps does show up.
Suzanne, you are always looking out for us :-) thanks!
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 12
here’s their current schedule…
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WBC to picket funeral for Lance Cpl. Walter K. O’Haire – at 10:15 a.m., Tue., May 15 – at Holy Family Church, 403 Union St., Rockland, Massachusetts.
WBC to picket funeral for Army Spc. Anthony Bradshaw – at 10:15 a.m., Wed., May 16 – at Doeppenschmidt Funeral Home, 189 N. Seguin Ave., New Braunfels, TX.
WBC to picket funeral for Army Spc. Joel Lewis – at 11:45 a.m., Wed., May 16 – at Tahoma National Cemetery, 18600 SE 240th St., Kent, Washington.
WBC to picket funeral for Army Sgt. Timothy Padgett – at 1:15 p.m., Wed., May 16 – at First Methodist Church, 88 Circle Drive, Defuniak Springs, Florida.
WBC to picket funeral for Army Sgt. Sameer A.M. Rateb – at 11:l5 a.m., Wed., May 16 – at Sullivan Island Beach (scatter ashes), Sullivan Island, South Carolina.
WBC to picket funeral for Marine Cpl. Charles Palmer II – at 9:45 a.m., Wed., May 16 – at First Assembly of God Church, 486 Button Ave., Manteca, California.
WBC to picket funeral for Army Pfc. Michael Pursel – at 10:15 a.m., Thur., May 17 – at Myers Mortuary, 250 North Fairfield Road, Layton, Utah.
WBC to picket funeral for Army Cpl. Matthew Alexander – at 1:45 p.m., Fri., May 18 – at Gretna High School, 11335 South 204th St., Gretna, Nebraska.
WBC to picket funeral for Army Pfc. Jerome Potter – at 11:15 a.m., Sat., May 19 – at Mountain View Funeral Home, 4100 Steilacoom Blvd. SW, Tacoma, Washington.
lolo @ 3
Ha! somebody got there before you.
Thinkin’ ’bout Jerry’s interview with St Peter (accepting, as I don’t, Jerry’s view of the afterlife) gives me great pleasure:
StP: And then, after innocents died on 911, you blamed who?
StP: And you thought the purple teletubby was what?
StP: And when sweet TammyFaye and her cute hubby went bankrupt, you did what?
StP: Your Liberty University avoided bankruptcy by taking money from whom?
StP: You claimed the anti-Christ was who?
JF: “But, but, but…. !!!“
TSF: Sorry, Charlie, Heaven wants tuna with good taste, not tuna that tastes good!
TSF, speakin’ of the dead:
ill
ill
ill
TRex @ 14
I hear Fred is going to be the guest speaker. *wink
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 12
i tried earlier but i think it tripped the mod…no sign so far. will keep watch…
I thought when one was raptured, the body disappeared, but the clothing was left behind in a neat little pile. This does not bode well for Jerry. Anytime a religious leader takes it on himself to speak FOR God, instead of simply spreading the message to love each other, serve each other, accept and be tolerant, I suspect there is more capitalism than religion involved.
Alfred, I show it as 21 on my screen – it posted – and didn’t trip any filters
SnarKassandra @ 17
Hey cassie – How’s the bidding going?
Suzanne @ 18
I wonder what the Vegas oddsmakers are giving the odds that Boosh goes to Falwell’s funeral – which will (imho) be similar to that given to a head of state.
I hope Fred Phelps does show up.
I’d say the odds are a lot better than him showing up at another important black person’s funeral (a la Coretta Scott King).
Have they changed the name yet to Falwell University?
There’s a GOPer PrezCandi speaking this Saturday at commencement — betcha the others are green with envy!
Mutant Poodle @ 28
you get to keep your name a secret. no one wants to pay for it.
Jane (nyc) @ 16
oo good, I can’t wait to see this.
Suzanne @ 27
yeah my browser locked up. sorry. probably contamination from that filthy phelps web site. good gravy, we think the current rethugs are bad, yeesh!
Poor Jerry, missed the rapture…
Arca @ 34
maybe he is the only one that got raptured
TRex, excellent post. You’ve really got the gift.
alfred, don’t forget to apply liberal amounts of bleach to your cache and cookies
thanks for going there so i don’t have to
congrats LoudonLib !
hey TRex! glad to see you arrived home safely – although it was comforting to know you were with Jane – was it a sweet kitteh homecoming ?
and thank you yes, thank you for laying this out so fabulously
but we’d be remiss in our review of his greatest hits without including that this is the man who called Desmond Tutu ” a phony”, shook Botha’s hand and exhorted god fearin’ folk everywhere to “invest in Kruggerands”
SnarKassandra @ 35
I don’t think they have the rapture where he went.
Fred Phelps and those slope-headed funeral crashers are just one of the more despicable aspects of the fallout of this war-with-no-end-in-sight. They make my blood boil. As if the families of the soldiers didn’t have enough grief to deal with, and then they have to be confronted with those awful people?
Suzanne @ 37
Yes, that goes for me too. I don’t want my kids to find that in my cache history.
Hi everbody! (splash)
This snark (from Bob Johnson at Daily Kos, and which I accidentally EPU’d below) is too good not to share:
There’s more, and it’s worth it.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 21
Wow – a hate group on tour.
Do they sell t-shirts at their gigs?
RonD @ 42
No cannon balls in the lake! Too much splashing.
SnarKassandra @ 31
Well, there’s always lemonade stands.
I can only hope that Falwell’s death signifies the end of an era. The Moral Majority was neither, but the damage has been done. The judiciary is stacked all the way to the Supreme Court, which just upheld that work of fiction, the ban on “partial-abortions.”
Maybe, just maybe, Falwell’s legacy will be that when a politician begins to espouse his or her faith, or a religious figure begins to preach his or her politics, the American public will be less credulous.
That’s what cannon balls are for, Lady.
‘I was raised not to speak ill of the dead.
He’s dead.
…Good.’
TeddySanFran @ 23
OH, man – this is too clever! I hope it goes down just like this, too. Sorry, Charlie, hit the bricks.
Mutant Poodle @ 43
Hey – most of the pagans i know don’t cosnume meat.
Not our fault he ate his sorry ass to death.
Jeebus, this gives a whole new meaning to astral projection.
RonD, I fear I might have gotten her with my #10. Sorry Cassie.
SnarKassandra @ 35
the fundie presentation on the rapture is at variance with the actual text, to wit:
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
the key point is that phrase “caught up together with them”, the word actually means “at the same time”. it appears to refer to a single incident in the teleology.
anyone who knows even a few basics about the actual ancient texts knows the fundies are so wrong it hurts. they are “biblical” fundamentalists like fred phelps is a “constitutional” fundamentalist…NOT!
Here, here and Amen, TRex!
I’m glad the old gluttonous hater will pollute Christianity no more!
Hi Suzanne-if I missed her, it wasn’t for lack of trying. While I will always lack your grace and skill, I can make a SPLASH!
Falwell kicked the bucket- but his days in the sun were all over in any event. His reputation was honed on the sharp edges of the sixties- fightin the druggies- the do it if it feels good set- and the make love not war people. As they got older- so did he- and eventually he was an irrelevant geezer throwin stones at telletubbies and talkin about how gay sex caused 9/11. Well what the hell- he was desperate- no one was listenin to him any more- and that’s what killed him- irrelevance followed by a side of beef.
What kind of Fallwellery is this?!?!
As my hubby said, Falwell died of an inflated ego.
In later years he took on the aspect of — Jabba the Hut.
Will he be missed? Only like a yellow pimple the night before the prom.
Wonderfully said, TRex…much perspective in relatively few words.
Quick question, for anybody: When does Monica Goodling do her public testimony? I was certain that it’s this week, but now I can’t find the info. Any enlightenment appreciated…
This man intended the lives of all the world’s queers to be a misery. To what end, one might ask.
Why on earth is there a religious right? Didn’t Jesus seem like a leftist to his contemporaries? Did he somehow shift in the last 2000 years?
Andrew Schafly has written an essay in Conservapedia rewriting the Gospel of John because it’s too much to believe that Jesus took the side of the woman taken in adultery. This ilk has to change their own sacred scriptures to maintain the hate. Time for them to be gone or to convert to a sane and loving faith.
I hope God is feeling very generous today and will let Falwell into God’s presence. I am hoping God is just like Pam Spalding at House Blend. Gracious and thoughtful and always appropriate.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 53
Yeah, we know that, just having fun!
But if it was true-end of global warming, overpopulation, hunger and lots of nice cars to drive!
This is the little bit better kind, EDP.
LoudounLib @ 40
Someone in one of those families is going to go berserk and open fire on the Phelps fiends. It’s just a matter of time.
Margot @ 41
sadly, i’m alone now except for my dad who has alzheimers and can no longer use his computer. :( i deliberately moved away from my grown kids after my wife died so i wouldn’t be a burden to them. (my dad is 91 BTW) but i agree with the concept. and i’ve been diving into far worse that this most of my adult life. if i were in charge, every kid would have to do 1 year abroad before staring college, in a govt program where they actually got to see both how good and how terrible life outside the us really is. i think it would make a world of difference.
“The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Like 18:11 – 14
Somehow, Jerry always reminded me of this passage.
It feels so good to say it out loud “Good riddance!”
OT – Wolfowitless says pleeeeeeze don’t kick me to the curb
Loudonlib and others,
Phelps wackos are no longer allowed anywhere near these gatherings – local biker clubs/gangs form a cordon btw grieving families and the crazies
local bad boys are going to New Braunfels tomorrow
SnarKassandra @ 35
Maybe he’s the only one who didn’t.
I hate to feel like I’m polluting my karma by cheering someone’s death-but MAN am I glad that ruthless old hate-monger will spread his venom no more.
PunchPrincess @ 58
The resemblance is disconcerting…
Hey World Bank- ya don’t have a hair on yer respective asses if ya don’t FIRE THAT FUCKER!!
cbl, thanks for that — that’s good to know!
Rev Sharpton was on Hardballs sayin nice things about the other rev. Said that he was wrong about everything but sincerly believed it all.
RonD @ 70
And he’s about to find out that he’d been dialing the wrong number for decades.
cbl @ 68
I heard about those honor guards, protecting the family funerals cbl.
Greetings Fire Pups. Seem the (ir)Rev. Falwell has gone to meet his maker (you know, the downstairs tenant). I’ sure they have prepared a VERY warm welcome for him.
Marg @ 66
So sweet.
This is a human about which it can truly be said: The race is better for his passing.
TRex @ 14
Werk awaits me in the A.M., good night folks. Fred Phelps is a perfect symbol for right wing “Christianity”: Opportunism wrapped in hatred.
cbl @ 68
Why there? Schlitterbahn isn’t open for another week!
RonD @ 70
Amen Brother and Hallelujah!
Falwell is gone but there will be others, there always is. It will be interesting to see who will take his place. James Dobson and other have surged ahead of Falwell and Robinson and I think they are more dangerous especially if George Bush is talking to them about Iran. They would love to be enablers of an adventure there or against Hugo Chavez. No shortage of fanatics.
There is nothing Falwell contributed that advances humanity. He was a scourge. His passing is too late, as he should have left us before spewing his hatred of his fellow man.
He was evil. If there is such a thing as an anti-Christ (which I doubt) he may have been it.
AZ Matt @ 82
Indeed. The legions of evil are numberless.
Have funeral plans been announced?
Will Pickles and her man attend?
SnarKassandra @ 22
Do not speak ill of the zed.
DrDick @ 77
The state of Falwell’s soul (if one believes in such) is no concern of mine. I will only say that the influence he achieved shows that he had enormous potential, and it’s a damn shame he squandered it wrapping bigotry and extremism in self-righteousness and sanctimony and selling it at a hefty profit to the small-minded, gullible demographic. What an absolute waste of a life.
BREAKING NEWS
Wolfie Discovers What “The White House Stands Behind You” really means…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
I’m drinking VERY expensive booze tonight. It’s a night for celebration. I spent $900 at the liquor store, but you know, you just don’t get to celebrate the death of someone who’s needed to die for ***40*** years that often.
He died in his office of heart failure. I wonder if he crapped himself as he was in his death throes.
One can only hope.
That’s actually Jesus you’re thinking of. If you read the Old Testament, God is a lot more like, well, like me. Emotional, demanding, vindictive, and occasionally downright bipolar.
His son was a MUCH nicer guy.
EDP, if you are here, did you get my email?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 88
Holy fucking shit, they’re going to invade Wolfowitz!
The_Artist @ 89
the “burning” question is, was he alone? or did he OD on ED drugs one time too many…
The_Artist @ 89
You are thinkin’ (and drinkin’) like me tonite.
Patrick 4/4 @ 86
not gloating…not gloating at all…too unseemly! ;-)
EvilDrPuma @ 87
Actually, I don’t believe in such things. Merely a rather melodramatic way of saying that he has returned to the slime from which he came. My Okie upbringing showing throw.
TSF #83, you’re right. Doesn’t Revelations say the Antichrist would quote Scripture, and that the people would be deceived? BTW, DrDick, masterful use of Scripture to destroy the troll earlier today, even though he was too dumb to even realize it.
Falwell is gone, and so there’s one less pollutant for the airways.
However, someone will take his place – it’s like there’s a lineup of small-minded intolerant boobs waiting to come onstage. They are the distraction.
Bush is the main event. Falwell didn’t send us to war, didn’t politicize DOJ, didn’t lose New Orleans, didn’t decide to keep people around who outed a covert CIA Agent. That was George W. Bush.
Falwell was a hateful stain on the discourse, and he did a lot to set up the infrastructure that Bush uses. But eyes front. Nothing, really, has changed, IMHO.
That is all.
EvilDrPuma @ 92
nah, reza already did that. why do you think hey had to pay her off? :>
SnarKassandra @ 91
I did. Apologies that I haven’t replied–I’m not trying to blow you off.
SnarKassandra @ 80
Cassie,
Westboro Baptist Church of Kansas will picket this funeral:
These are extremely sick people who hate fags. They blame the soldiers’ deaths on the belief that America tolerates homosexuality and this is the punishment. The Kansas tornado was God’s wrath too. THe church is made up of one large family, even the kids will go to these pickets.
this bank, like it’s the bank down on the corner….
what cretins they all are!
EvilDrPuma @ 92
They might just nuke him…
EvilDrPuma @ 92
my cats are glaring. laughed them off my lap…
think progress has this little item up:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..er-ethics/
do we believe it?
Are they asking regular people to go and counter protest?
Amen TRex Brother! Great post, Evening all :-)
RonD @ 97
Thank you. Another case of my Okie upringing showing through. I actually had to read the whole thing when I was a kid. Actually enjoyed parts of it. Also was greatly impressed by much of what Yeshua al Nazarat had to say. It was a major contributing factor in my becoming a socialist (aided and abetted by Mohammed and Sidharth Gautama among others).
SnarKassandra @ 106
AFIAK, there is a network of vets who are also bikers. they use the groups pre-announced schedule to arrange biker “security” which the phelps folks have learned the hard way not to mess with. local cops are more than willing to let the bikers beat the cr*p out of the phelpses if they get frisky. like most carrion eaters, the phelps back off when threatened.
alton @ 47
I can only hope that Falwell’s death signifies the end of an era. The Moral Majority was neither, but the damage has been done. The judiciary is stacked all the way to the Supreme Court, which just upheld that work of fiction, the ban on “partial-abortions.”
—————–
My favorite bumper sticker of the era was “The Moral Majority was Neither”
The_Artist @ 89
Thank you for being so honest. Have been plowing my way through a great bottle of wine(feeling vaguely guilty, quietly celebrating).
Elmer has cleared the Gantry.
It would be so nice if Phelps and his ilk would read the Book of Job, and, in a moment of clarity, realize that they CANNOT know the hypothetical Mind of God.
Jane (nyc) @ 111
Why would you spend that much money to get drunk?
the reverend suddenly realized he was descending
SnarKassandra @ 106
Good question. In one case–I don’t remember where, but it was a good idea–a local bartender had set up an interesting counterdemonstration to Phelps and His Traveling Hate Brigade. He took pledges for a certain amount of money for every minute Phelps spent in town, and donated the proceeds to AIDS research. Phelps did himself more harm than good that day…
Posted some thoughts about heaven and hell at my blog today after Falwell’s death brought the subject to mind. But since the version at MLW is the one that generated some interesting discussion, click my name for that. (It’s on the home page, but if there’s a new post, you’ll need to scroll down a bit.)
Good evening all. Nice to see you.
cbl @ 115
707!!!
Hey Suzanne. I think that the filters took a dislike to my politics. You know the one that looks like a commonly spammed drug?
A large number of States are making illegal for the harrassment of funerals to force this Phelps family to keep their distance.
Hey Betsy :-) how’s things?
TexBetsy @ 118
Howdy, TexBetsy. What is the snack du jour?
LoudounLib @ 119
ROF707
TexBetsy @ 117
Evening Betsy. How’s life treating you today?
Patrick 4/4 @ 112
Ya know, I did not, frankly, expect to outlive Falwell. I am delighted tonite that I did. If I die tomorrow, it will be as a happy man, knowing I left this earth without him in it.
Heading home, gang.
See you in a bit.
SnarKassandra @ 114
To demonstrate that he has refined tastes.
DrDick @ 120
try male member enhancement medication. Filters didn’t mind that when I used it one night.
DrDick @ 125
Things are good! Feeling good. Very little pain. Hoping to get to work tomorrow. Off to find a snack for all of you. Any requests?
AZ Matt @ 120
unfortunately the head bozo is a lawyer and most of his kids get law degrees from somewhere. they know all the legal tricks and some conservative/fascist with money is quietly backing them. many of us would like to find out who so we can out the b*st*rd…
Alfred @ 64,
My dad, if he were alive now, would be 99. He had Alzheimer’s at the end, too. I am very glad I got to spend time with him then. Your dad is lucky to have you.
Here’s what the late, great Molly Ivins had to say about Falwell and his brethren:
With any luck, she’ll be on the welcoming committee.
AZ Matt @ 128
If one has to get drunk, one may as well go in style.
Dee Loralei @ 129
Who would complain?
The Phelps family is so repulsive. It takes a special vileness to protest and ridicule families at the funerals of their loved ones.
They truly make me sick.
-GSD
DrDick #108, I had a very similar experience as a child-8 years spent in the most reactionary Southern Baptist private school ever. Breaking free was the 3rd most liberating experience of my life, but I am thankful for the ability to debate Scripture with the fundies, and often best them, and I appreciate the gift in others.
Dee Loralei @ 128
Hmmmmm. Not sure that I’m a So(male enhancement medication)t would make much sense.
TeddySanFran @ 94
Whatcha drinkin’, man? I got a 750ml bottle of Remy Martin Louis XIII cognac. I know the owner of the store and he let me have it at cost.
I’ve never had Louis XIII before. Have you ever had it? I better not ever buy any more, because this shit is addictive! SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTH. An *unbelievable* beverage.
RonD @ 137
It’s usually not hard to best them. If you can actually quote two consecutive verses at once, you’ve got most of ‘em beat already.
GSD @ 136
I saw a BBC in depth profile of them once. They are scary chiling folks and true beleivers all. And yea their oldest daughter is an atty, an they all live in some kind of cultish commune. Very disturbing to watch.
EvilDrPuma @ 134
Well, I have some 10 yo single malt, might taste good to have a wee dram right now.
EvilDrPuma @ 139
Hell, if you’ve even read two consecutive verses you are generally ahead of the game. The read scripture in a highly selective fashion and only note those parts which reinforce their prejudices.
SnarKassandra @ 114
PLease see my OP. Sometimes you just have t blow it out. If I were not well off (like five years ago after the dot-bust when I made $1,200 in that year) I’d have been drinkin’ MD2020. But you know, Falwell was one of the most evil, horrible people of the last 20 years of the 20th century.
I am pleased to treat myself to a wonderful bottle of Cognac I may never be able to afford again.
Besides, I’m taking an hour to sip down each snifter. :-)
Sometimes you just have to treat yourself.
Hmmmmm. Not sure that I’m a So(male enhancement medication)t would make much sense.
Wll I obviously assumed you meant the medicine that sounds like Niagra I always go there LOL
Dr Dick, it was freed – you have to refresh the page not the comments.
I know if Phelps protested a funeral, and a bereaved…uh…took things into his own hands, shall we say, and I was on the jury, I would have a very difficult time voting to convict.
Skeptic @ 110
You busted me! Yes, I stole that line. My other favorite was the t-shirt printed up to look like it was smeared with (heavy) make-up that read, “I ran into Tammy Faye at the mall.”
tonight’s midnight snack is angel cookies
can’t find a good picture of devil’s food cake, still looking in case we need a second snack.
Margot @ 131
no, I am lucky to have my dad. i revere him in ways language cannot express. when he heard the trumpets sounding for the army of righteousness, despite age, illness, and being surrounded by evil, he struggled onto his horse and tried to charge. a metaphorical blast of fire swept in front of him, and the powers of darkness were routed. i watched in awe and wonder, just as i have from the day i became “myself” (about 5 years old). regrettably what this translated to in the “real world” i cannot discuss. but it was wondrous nonetheless. we must treasure our elderly, for we shall one day become them…
Not deviled eggs, Betsy? LOL or deviled pecans? I’m sensing a theme here
Suzanne @ 146
Thanks, oh goddess among moderators.
GSD,
hope you caught ET’s Iran link downstairs
Hi Betsy!
Alfred, that makes me miss my grandpa all over again…he was an Alzheimers patient too, but before that he was the most brilliant man I’d ever known.
EvilDrPuma @ 134
From my perch here in NYC, am drinking a bottle of wine that was a gift and have been celebrating with gay friends who have suffered from Falwell’s pimping of intolerance.
We used a Christmas gift certificate from a pair of their intolerant parents to order in dinner from one of Manhattan’s best restaurants.
When you are are not in a geographic position to challenge Phelps and his minions, you act out however you can.
TRex @ 63
What’s his purpose for doing this?
cbl @ 152
yep we sent it out to major media folks as well as all the bloggos. may see something tomorrow…
TB, I was thinking your were gonna go with the old standby, molten lava cake.
TexBetsy @ 149
How about this?
Dee Loralei @ 151
deviled eggs! excellent idea. these even look slightly possessed
DrDick @ 143
I don’t think you were around yet when I told this story last, but I read a post several years ago on an AOL message board in which somebody tried to argue with a fundie by posting (unattributed) a portion of the Beatitudes. Said fundie replied, and I quote, “I don’t know where you get that liberal crap!” Didn’t even recognize what was quite possibly Jesus’ standard homily.Didn’t know it and didn’t agree with it. The self-delusion of these “true” believers is astounding.
alton @ 133
I think maybe they are in different places
AF #150,
If I can ever inspire someone to speak of me like that, I will consider my life to have been well spent.
Howdy Ron D
Alfred @150 do you remember that moment? No one I have ever talked to before remembers it.All I can describe it as an awakening, that I realized in an instant that I was a fully functioning autonomous being, who had a life to make of my ownm or something like that. It’s not something I’ve tried to ta;k about more than a few times in my life……
LoudounLib @ 154
know what you mean. my wife is still with me, even though her electron-clothes are missing….
I celebrate the passing of Jerry Fallwell.
A ponderous weight has been lifted from the Earth.
May we rest in Peace.
Suzanne @ 159
By the way, surprisingly easy to make. However, it gives one an appreciation for how much cholesterol is in each little cake. Kind of like a heart attack in a cup.
But then, of course, we’d need some ice cream as well…
EvilDrPuma @ 161
I think I may have said it in the post earlier today, but Falwell was the absolute antithesis of what Yeshua al Nazarat is reported to have said and preached.
I need to go rest in a bed. 7 more school days until I am done! Night y’all.
Alfred K-
My dad died of Alzheimers. He lived on the other side of the US, and I did not get to see him often. It was heartbreaking when I did see him, but I am still convinced that he knew who I was, and what I was saying, even if his usual responses did not indicate this. After an episode in the nursing home, where he was ordering me to get the room in order by stacking all the furniture in the corner, I took him out in his wheelchair for a spin around the grounds. He pointed to a grey car on the curb and said “is that your rental car?”. Yes, it was.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 150
I envy you your dad. Mine was a violent drunk. I am not in contact with any of my “blood” relatives, nor will I ever be again.
I sometimes hate being a cynical old fuckhead, but if you had *my* family, you would too. My family is a group of people I have chosen.
But today, we celebrate. Jerry’s dead. It’s a good thing™,
SnarKassandra @ 171
Sleep well, Cassie.
SnarKassandra @ 171
Good night, and God bless.
OT, but just a quickie:
Does anybody know when Monica Goodling does her public testimony? I was certain that it’s this week, but now I can’t find the info. Any enlightenment appreciated…
SnarKassandra @ 171
Night Cassie. Make those last 7 count.
SnarKassandra @ 171
Night Cassie, sleep well.
Good nite, Ms. Cassandra. Sleep well, knowing the world is a little bit kinder tonite, even if only for a little while.
Few men of this day and time have disserved the teachings of Jesus as much as did the disingenuous and intolerant Mr. Falwell. The others of the ‘few’ have been his allies in deliberate deception. Seldom has a man so often chosen for himself what he would not allow others. Seldom has a hypocrite so clearly chosen for others what he would not choose for himself. His ‘moral majority’ was neither. Fortunately, progressives overcome the regressive impetus to prevent change. Bury the carcas with as little fuss as possible. We have a bright future to realize now that this blot on the human experience has dried up and blown away.
DrDick @ 170
You’ll get no disagreement from me. “False prophet” seems a gentle thing to call him.
Subway Serenade @ 168
I celebrate with you.
May those he hated and spoke against with such passion celebrate with us, and may those who departed before him bar him entry to whatever paradise he seeks in the hereafter (you go, Molly!!)
F*** Falwell! If there really is a hell, he’s frying there now. How fitting that he died alone in his office. F**ker!
I’d pay to watch Molly and Ann Richards go “at it” in the afterlife against Jerry.
Jane (nyc) @ 183
Wouldn’t that be great!
RonD @ 163
all true wealth is cognitive. everything else is just mechanics. or to put it another way, people with friends are wealthy. people without friends are poor. sycophants don’t count as friends, nor do goldiggers. despite their fat bank balances, almost all the rethugs are paupers. those of us who manage to scrape by and yet keep our own personal codes of ethics are multi-billionaires in comparison.
oh, and I managed to reach my dad today about falwell (he loathes the way those guys distort scripture to hurt people. for those who haven’t followed my previous posts, my dad is a retired graduate theologian of a mainstream protestant denom) and when he understood that falwell had died, he said “I’ll bet Jerry is discovering that the reality of hell is to be in heaven, but so chewed up by all the bad things you did to yourself and others that you can’t enjoy yourself.” Amen.
That part where Jesus tells the truly devout to go home and pray in their closet and avoid making public spectacles of themselves(paraphrasing)really makes them froth and chase their tails.
Jane (nyc) @ 184
As a Texas liberal, please don’t insult our beloved Ann and Molly by thinking that piece of sh*t is where they may be in the afterlife. (but also being a secular humanist they really are just dead in the ground.)
Jane (nyc) @ 183
I strongly believe that having them eternally torment the (ir)Reverend would qualify as heaven for them and hell for him. Truly fitting.
Angelo @ 182
Ya know, I can’t decide which would be worse for people like Falwell to have to spend eternity in hell? To have to spend eternity with no afterlife, well then they wouldn’t actually know that’s how they were spending it, or to come to heaven and to be taken into the Nazarenes wide embrace, and have to spend every damned last eon, with people like all of us…. knowing just how damned wrong he was about us in life…. Which would be the worse hell for them?
Kassandra @ 163:
I’m thinking of Molly more as a bouncer, enjoying the thought of her speaking the truth with a smile, then telling him not to let the door hit him on the way out.
RonD @ 186
(phariseeing)
AK #185,
Amen.
well, I was not raised in a religious household.
My mother is now 91. About 10 years ago, she had colon cancer. Before the operation, we finally got to talking about what she would prefer be done if she didn’t make it… hard topic… she knew I was asking cremation, burial…
She said, “Well, when you’re dead, you’re dead. I don’t think it really matters.”
imho, the point of Falwell’s life is the impact of judgment.
A very wise friend of mine recently said,
“Judgement is Terrorism.”
Think about it.
Not discernment mind you.
Judgement.
Just sayin’
When he comes back, he’s gonna be pissed with his ‘blind trust’ brand managers…
Jesus Just Left Chicago – ZZ Top
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
TeddySanFran @ 85
You will be the first to know, TeddySF. I know you are close with the Falwell family, and that they will keep you informed and treasure your support.
RonD @ 186
Quoting almost anything directly attributed to Yeshua will drive them batshit. They really are not Christians, but rather Paulists.
I hope the good folks over at Westboro Baptist Church pay a visit to that sow’s funeral!
Jane (nyc) @ 184
Two goddesses we’ll never see the likes of again.
#196, Snort..choke…gag..LOL!
Fallwell railed against gay people.
Will he be judged by our ‘fruits’?
From the NYT’s. Same old crap.
NYT link
DrDick @ 189
Thank you. Thaat was my thought — I couldn’t imagine any scenario that would be more fun for either dear lady!
radio @96 – best. ZZ. ever!
edit – radio @196, I meant….sheesh
DrDick @ 197
And pretty selective about what they quote from Paul, too. You’ll notice that the passage about love from 2 Corinthians–which Paul must have written on the best day of his life–is never on a fundie’s lips. Just the bits they can use to make self-contradictory rules and create vicious divisions.
DrDick #197,
Paulists?…hmmm. A term I have not heard, but which makes perfect sense and accurately describes those in question. Thanks, Doc. I may borrow that one.
Mutant Poodle @ 98
You speak well.
(((( AK’s pop ))))
RonD @ 206
It occurred to me a while back that most of what I dislike about Christianity comes not from what is attributed to Yeshua. Rather it came from the writings of Paul and that many (most) of his writings are in direct contradiction to the teachings of Yeshua.
A Eulogy for Rev. Falwell
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I know that even as a child, that whole “Onward Christian Soldiers” thing really bothered me-I didn’t see how any Christian who had read the New Testament could NOT be a pacifist.
I don’t watch TV or get to the theater much, but I would pay good money to see THAT!
Valley Girl @ 194
Good for your Mom, VG.
Dee Loralei @ 165
i must make clear that i am woefully unqualified to discuss any of this. (I Am Not A Psychologist or anything like one.) having issued that disclaimer, I awoke with a fully-developed point of view, an awareness of inner self, one morning when I was five years old. My parents were away for a well-earned vacation; i was being cared for by a maternal aunt IIRC. without going into excessive detail, she freaked and had the police return my parents. my dad was not pleased with her for that, but he did agree i was “grown up all of a sudden”. i have read everything i can find on this topic and found no answers. i do not consciously remember any previous lives, but at the same time i seem sometimes to just “know” if something will work or not involving technology or human dynamics or even games theory; it is as if i’m accessing a lifetime (or more!) of experience but on an unconsicous level. (thus my interest in my boss’ theories about a scientifically reasonable “afterlife”…)
cue rod serling twilight zone music…
My daughter said today that if we didn’t have people like Falwell we wouldn’t know how good the rest of us are.
RonD @ 211
More Paulism: militarism as Christian metaphor. “I have run the race, I have fought the good fight….” And whackjobs like Luther could really run with material like that.
Glad to know that Tammy Faye outlived that human piece of bigoted filth. I have nothing but utter contempt for Jerry Fartwell. I wish I knew Larry Flynt to share a cocktail with him. Odds are there’s a PAR-TAY going on at the Hustler Mansion! (if one exists…)
EvilDrPuma @ 216
Indeed most of the really whacked out stuff in Christianity comes either from Paul or from that psychotic whackjob, St. John the Revelator.
the best comment i’ve come across on Flawell so far:
Crank Bait said…
Peter: “Next!”
Jerry: “Praise Jesus! I have entered the Kingdom of God!”
Peter: “Hold your horses there cowboy. The Kingdom is behind me.”
Jerry: “I have preached the Word of God all of my life! Surely you know me?”
Peter: “It says here that you are #44759395016. And don’t call me Shirley.”
Jerry: “I have a number? I am Jerry!”
Peter: “So is Mr. Lewis. Jerry’s are a dime a dozen.”
Jerry: “Jerry Lewis is here?”
Peter: “No, but we have more spastic Frenchmen than you can shake a stick at.”
Jerry: “So when do I get in?”
Peter: “First things first. You’ll have to answer a few questions. What do you think of Broadway musicals?”
Jerry: “Full of fags.”
Peter: “I see. How about AIDS?”
Jerry: “God’s wrath on homos.”
Peter: “You don’t really want in, do you?”
Jerry: “Of course I do. Ask me another.”
Peter: “If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?”
Jerry: “That sounds like a stupid question from Barbara Walters.”
Peter: “Barbara Walters is God.”
Jerry: “WHAT?”
Peter: “She’s God. Always was and always will be.”
Jerry: “Who is Jesus?”
Peter: “A pitcher for the Padres.”
Jerry: “What about the Holy Spirit?”
Peter: “We made him up. We needed a third leg for the ecumenical stool.”
Jerry: “Do I get in now?”
Peter: “Sure you do. Barbara is a forgiving God, er, God-ette. Check-in time is 12 noon. Here is the name of your roomie.”
Jerry: “Hunter Thompson?”
Peter: “You’ll like him. He’s a trip.”
OT
Blitzer misrepresented Feingold-Reid Iraq amendment
On the May 14 edition of CNN’s The Situation Room, host Wolf Blitzer claimed that legislation sponsored by Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) and co-sponsored by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) would “just stop the funding” for the Iraq war. In fact, the amendment stipulates that no funds may be appropriated to continue the deployment of U.S. forces in Iraq after March 31, 2008, but allows for three exceptions — operations against Al Qaeda and other international terrorist groups, protection of U.S. personnel and infrastructure, and training and equipping Iraqi security services. Read more
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Jerry Falwell was a pimple on the ass of humanity, and I’m glad he’s dead. My only regret is that Robertson, Phelps, Dobson, et al, weren’t raptured up with him.
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Sunshine Jim – ROFL…Falwell and Hunter S. Thompson as roomies? Classic!
#218,
To which I must add a whole bunch of stuff in the Old Testament that is also selectively quoted or othrwise taken out of context to justify the most horrendous acts of barbarism.
Hi everyone. Speaking of teh Gays…
Broadway World TV has up a video of the “Press Preview” of upcoming “FABULOUS” musical, Xanadu. Fun to see the director and choreographer (teh gayest!) talk about their experiences and see Jackie Hoffman (one of the best) get some screen time.
PS: Glad that Fallwell Won’t make it to the opening! feh on that evilness.
Evenin’ all !
Suz, I dunno how you’re able to dive into the lake, it’s frozen on my side … guess it’s still Hockey Season … *g*
my dad just woke up, must go feed and bathe him. he was at the doctor today and they said he has a constitution like an iron horse. (”heals better than most 19 year olds”, the wound care specialist said (minor surgery to remove a skin cancer from too many years in the tropic sun).)
night firepups. keep up the faith, we are winning even if at times i doesn’t seem like it. and if kirk doesn’t get jayt’s stuff out to the MSM i’ll do it tomorrow. this GRAD crap has gotta be made public…if you don’t understand why do a wikipedia on “press gangs”. right back to the 1700’s my ghod…
LoudounLib @ 223
Nah. Totally unfair to Thompson. I mean, what did he do to deserve having to put up with that asshole?
SunshineJim@219
*falls out of her chair laughing*
Petrocelli @ 226
94 degrees here today. Come on down!
Petrocelli, I’m in CA – no ice on this side.
Loo Hoo- it was reassuring. And, told me a lot about where I had come from. Thanks. p.s. she despises BushCo. and their ilk. And, Falwell and their ilk.
Dr Dick – true, that!
NumberFour @ 224
Thanks for the “heads up” on this. We have too much family history on this end — back to the days of Claude Pepper from FL and his own efforts on behalf of this cause. Will be spotlighting this info “all around”.
Thanks again.
Sunshine Jim #219,
You just won some kind of award for that!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 216
DrDick @ 229
But Hunter would have so much fun messin’ with the old fuck.
crnkr comes up with some good stuff don’t he?
(don’t tell him i said so, he’s bad enough allready)
It’s a shame that Hunter is no longer with us. He could give us a new classic, possibly entitled “Fear and Loathing with Jerry Falwell”
Suzanne @ 233
… not that it would have helped the Ducks tonight … *g*
“I do not believe,” he told reporters, “that God answers the prayer of any unredeemed Gentile or Jew.” After a meeting with an American Jewish Committee rabbi, he changed course, telling an interviewer on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that “God hears the prayers of all persons…. God hears everything.”
his choice of words were very devious. he didn’t refute his previous statement, he just said that “God hears the prayers of all persons…”
nothing about answering those prayers ….
Sunshine Jim @ 220
ROFLMAO!! Best fuckin’ thing I read all day!!! Aside, that is from this : Jerry Falwell is dead.
More like a blob of human excrement.
AK #227, go gently. The sooner I see you again, the happier I’ll be.
RonD @ 226
Yea, why the heck do Christians go around spouting Leviticus selectively? That or revelations, and skip all of the Nazarene’s teachings.
Cause the Nazarenes were not mean.
Dee Loralei @ 238
Um … you never asked me ?!! I am not a shrink, I am a yoga/meditation teacher and I do know a lot about what you’re discussing with Alfred.
G’night all, busy day ahead tomorrow (or rather, later today).
Oh, God answers everybody’s prayers.
Just sometimes the answer is “no”.
LoudounLib @ 247
Sleep well.
Dee Loralei @ 244
I do truly love Southern Baptists spouting Leviticus. I always want to ask them when they are going to give up their bacon, ham, and pork chops (not to mention cheeseburgers and fried shrimp). They cherry pick about half a dozen passages which support their bigotry and conveniently ignore the vast bulk of the law which would require major lifestyle changes for them.
Snow: Ashcroft Wasn’t That Ill, It Wasn’t Like ‘His Brain Didn’t Work’
Really, Dr. Snow?
Comey had a message.
When Card and Gonzales came a callin’ on Ascroft..
bringing sweetness and mercy
to his ICU bed.
Attorney General Ashcroft was clinically delirious.
[Temporarily out o’ his gourd.]
Georgie’s frantic for a “Get out of jail free” law for his domestic espionage.
That’s why “FISA reform” keeps oozing out of the Rethug’s agenda.
Abu Gonzales and Card waited to ask Ashcroft’s OK…
until the Attorney General was delirious
and had formally delegated his official powers .
Sleep thee well, LoudounLib!
LoudounLib @ 249
“Nite dear!
Night LL.
DrDick @ 257
Yes, goodnight!
Nice shot on the “zed”.
When I was married to husband #2, the rethug fundy, he was always spouting off about 1Chorinthians, quoting the duties of the wife, with heavy emphasis on her being submissive.
So I did a cross stitch sampler to hang on the wall that quoted that verse, along with its accompanying duties of the husband.
He quit quoting that verse.
As an observant Jew I keep kosher. Talk to God too.
God’s Laws and how to follow them.
1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this law applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness – Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev.24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
Mary McCurnin @ 239
But Hunter would have so much fun messin’ with the old fuck.
Can you *imagine* what Warren Zevon will do with him?
WaPo Editorial: LINK
To paraphrase the announcer on Letterman’s show: FDL is the greatest city in the world.
Love y’all! Good night.
Petrocelli @ 249
I don’t know you well enough to ask …? But I think it’s very very cool and would love to discuss it sometime :-) I’d love to hear any ideas or theories on it. Just not tonight. I want to have a second beer, unlike Artistwith his $900 booze, I’m being cheaptonight And I’m mostly brain dead tonight, lousy long day, other than Comey hearing and Fallwell passing, and an even longer Wed. But I’d really love to chat with you and Alfred more on this :-)
TRex @ 245
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It is a tragedy that the same country that has produced so many giants and promoted such uplifting doctrine, can also give birth to such tyrants and bigots who encourage others to hate.
Their side has one voice less tonight and that’s a good thing.
OT, but the “Frontline” show tonite about domestic surveillance and data mining was one of the scariest things I’ve ever seen. I encourage everyone to look for it, and start pondering: How are we ever going to undo all of this? Because NOT undoing it is unthinkable
RonD @ 263
I fear that we can never really put that genie back in the bottle. The best we may be able to achieve is to hedge it about.
Suzanne @ 259
hahah Xuzzanne ^5!!! or to quote Miss Katie Scarlet O’Hara ” As God is my witness, I shall never marry a rethugs again!”
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TexBetsy @ 257
Yes, but that means that you follow ALL of the law (at least as it currently stands), not just the bits which are convenient (which keeping kosher in Texas ain’t).
RonD @ 265
And that’s only the tip of the iceberg of all the government institutions, rules and regs that have to be scrutinized for the cancerous damage that Bushco had deliberately infected us with. This is going to be the work of our generation, getting our democracy back and untainted.
Yes, I keep the laws to the best of my ability. But not 100% according to orthodoxy.
Sunshine Jim- lol. I’ve bookmarked that! I will have to print it out and post the paper in various places….
Dee Loralei @ 264
I have had some of that cognac Alfred speaks of, along with the best cuban cigars and it is very s-m-o-o-t-h. I have had some incredibly enlightening chats over cognac and Single Malt Scotch, but chatting over beer is only allowed if it’s about hockey, football, soccer, … *g*
hee!
that why i archive em!
i still think humor is the best way of dealing with assholes.
TexBetsy @ 269
Orthodoxy is a greatly overrated virtue. Since we know that you do not demand it of others, we forgive you (and I suspect God, if there is one, does as well).
kirk @ 253,
Someone should ask Mr. Snow if he’d feel safe being medicated by a nurse who was “impaired” due to drug or alcohol use.
Think he’d have a different answer?
Well, Pups, I think I’ll call it an early night. Interesting conversation as always. Be good to each other and drink a toast for me to the unlamented departed.
Good night, DrD! As always.
DrDick @ 275
Good night. sleep well.
Just swinging by the wake to pay my disrespects to the departed.
Burnt out on meetings—think I’ll go look for a late night rebroadcast of Frontline.
What a vile bunch, the Phelpses are.
opie_jeanne @ 279
yep
RonD @ 245
And the more we get together, together, together, and the more we get together, the happier we’ll be.
EvilDrPuma @ 57
Too perfect!
diogenes @ 65
I heard this in church, in a sermon, with a punchline: A Sunday School teacher read that passage to her class and then remarked, “Now, boys and girls, aren’t we glad we’re not like that Pharisee?” Cracked up everyone in the congregation.
Falwell’s dead. Good. Reminds me to take my garbage out, as tomorrow is garbage day. God works in mysterious ways.
RonD @ 97
Link please?
alton @ 148
Is this the Alton who cooks so very well, and uses science to explain the process?
TRex: But I do believe that when a person has made a life of polluting the world with violent, irrational hatred of their fellow man, the human race is perhaps a little richer for their passing.
Exactly!
I can’t even bring myself to say rest in peace.
DrDick @ 189
The only torment would have to be Ann and Molly laughing in their natural joyous wisdom, and Jerry never getting the joke.
cf. the “Chinese” afterlife: Heaven and Hell are all the same place, a banquet of delicious food where you are issued a four-foot pair of chopsticks. People in “Hell” struggle and fail to put food in their own mouths; people in “Heaven” offer food to others, and receive it from others.
Less restrained than the increasingly unctious and right-of-center PBS Newshour, but more honest. The support and love Mr. Falwell extended to thousands cannot be separated from his professional hate; indeed, they should not be, because he made being a professional hater respectable and profitable, and almost neighborly.
Mr. Falwell created the pattern from which were sewn Coultergeist and O’Really?, Fox News and Rove/Bush. As Digby said so eloquently, “If Falwell’s beliefs about the afterlife are correct, I think he may have just had very big surprise.”
I don’t know what the Republican Presidential candidates think of Falwell, but they have followed his lead. Romney wants to double the size of Gitmo, and Tancredo and others would gladly authorize water boarding. Who says there’s only one anti-Christ; maybe he’s a movement.
I heard the news on NPR this morning, and the world just felt like such a brighter, more welcoming place. Yeah, maybe it is “bad protocol” to be happy about someone’s death, and I know conservative talk show hosts are going to be making a huge deal about the “liberal blogosphere” and how we’re maybe “being rude” or “inconsiderate” or “childish” or whatever, yammering on about it over the next week or two trying to vilify us, but I honestly don’t care. The world is better for his passing, and I see no reason to mute this sentiment “out of respect” or for whatever other placating, polite, arbitrary notion by which we’re apparently expected to abide.
He was a hate-mongering asshole with grotesquely disproportionate influence, and his death is like removing a swollen, veiny, cancerous lump from humanity. Sure, you look at it floating in its jar of formaldehyde and you know it was made of the same materials you are, but that doesn’t mean you can’t be glad it’s gone, or can’t guiltlessly feel your body is better for it.
I will, however, admit I’m maybe going a step too far by thinking that someone needs to round up about a hundred people, drive a tanker of water out to the place where he’s buried, and spend a few weeks pissing on his grave in shifts.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 21
. . .
What in hades could WBC and Phelps believe that would motivate them to picket the funerals of US Soldiers who died serving the US? That’s just sick.
A quick shout out to all the gay brothers and sisters everywhere . . . and to people of color, all Jewish/Amish/Baptist/Bhuddist/Islamic/Hindu (etc.) folks among us on the planet . . . . to all Falwell feared and hated.
A little piece of your worst nightmare went away today.
He was also a part of my hetero nightmare. All hate mongers are a part of my nightmare.
From me, I offer up to ALL of you, a brief, wry, thin lipped smile, a sip from a shotglass of Louis XIII (or good bourbon whiskey if ya can’t afford the Louis, I sure can’t), and a solemn promise to ourselves and each other, we will keep on till they are all gone.
I salute the good folks, tonite.
N now, it’s back to work slaying dragons and ending horrible nightmares one demon phuck at a time, in public, humiliated till they shrivel and rot and become worm food and are cleansed from our souls with the earth they once soiled.
Harumph and a big fat assed Slainthe Mhath!!
Kevoy11 @ 36
I’ll bow to that wow. A most rightous and restrained riff of truth it was.
(bowstogreatlizard)
The_Artist @ 89
Louis XIII? (SMILE) It’s $1,300 or more in liquor stores for a 750ml, a bit less I think, at the mega barns.
I sip again, with you, for all. Just my Gentleman’s Ole No. 7 . . . one more thin wry smile escapes my lips.
AZ Matt @ 128
I’d like to believe, one does not get DRUNK on a $900 bottle of upscale liquor.
A mite schnockered after a few, but CERTAINLY not drunk. That’s special sippin spirits for VERY special moments in time. Like, Delcarations Of Peace, the passing of a loved one, a wedding, the birth of a loved one.
Here’s to another sip, on the subject at hand.
The_Artist @ 139
Ah SO, desa KU!
I’ve had it twice in my life, two snifters each time. Offered to me. It is as you say. Simply, the best in the world.
You’ve got a good one, for a good occasion.
Slainthe!
Oh TREX, what will Wilma say?
are the lesbians who flew the planes on 9-1-1 planning on disrupting the falwell funeral?
And well said. I am one of those many people who shed no tears for the passing of this vile person. Our world truely is better with him gone.
In this Time of Mourning let us reflect and find comfort in the Words of Jesus from the book of Matthew 7:21-23:
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Jerry Falwell Leaves His Fortune To Far Less Fortunate Folk … ;^]
re 304: well isn’t that nice.
Hey, you forget that Falwell only started focusing on teh gays once hating African-Americans became socially unacceptable.
RIH, Falwell
GREETINGS TO THE FDL COMMUNITY: IT IS A GREAT DAY IN AMERIKA (THE WORLD FOR THAT MATTER)! AS THE FALSE PROPHETS FALL; MAY WE READY OURSELVES FOR FUTURE BATTLES, FOR WE DO NOT FIGHT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD BUT AGAINST PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS IN HIGH PLACES (NEED I BE SPECIFIC?!)
ANYWAY, AS THE SHIT CONTINUES TO HIT THE FANON VARIOUS LEVELS, LET US NOT FORGET THAT JUSTICE AND LIBERTY REQUIRE SACRIFICES!
PEACE UNTO US ALL AND MAY THE FORCE BE WITH US!!!!!!!!!!!!FOR SUCH TIMES REQUIRE!
BTW, THANKS TO FDL, AND THEIR EFFORTS IN PRODUCING SUCH A FORUM!!!!AND TO ALL YOU FELLOW CONTRIBUTORS…SO GLAD I’M NOT ALONE! TOGETHER WE MIGHT MAKE MIRACLES! KEEPING HOPE ALIVE.
Mary McCurnin @ 217
Budding theologian or philosopher, there.
A little late to the party…
Hey TRex haven’t you ever heard of Le.P.A.R. I’m part of their male auxiliary! :-0