Last week Keith Olberman reported a story that is also available in Newsweek right now.
Remember a couple/few weeks ago Paul McNulty was complaining that his testimony might not have been accurate because he was not properly briefed for it? At the time I thought that sounded a little weaseley like he was blaming his staff for his own lack of candor.
I may owe him an apology, or more accurately, half an apology.
According to the Newsweek/NBC reporting there was a meeting to prepare McNulty and his aide:
At the March 5, 2007, meeting, White House aides, including counsel Fred Fielding and deputy counsel William Kelley, sought to shape testimony that Principal Associate Deputy Attorney General William Moschella was to give the next day before the House Judiciary Committee.
Although the existence of the White House meeting had been previously disclosed by the Justice Department, Rove’s attendance at the strategy session was not—until both Moschella and Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty talked about it in confidential testimony with congressional investigators last week.
At this meeting Rove instructed McNulty and the DOJ gang to prepare answers to justify the firiing of the USAs.
According to McNulty’s account, Rove came late to the meeting and left early. But while he was there he spoke up and echoed a point that was made by the other White House aides: The Justice Department needed to provide specific reasons why it terminated the eight prosecutors in order to rebut Democratic charges that the firings were politically motivated. The point Rove and other White House officials made is “you all need to explain what you did and why you did it,” McNulty told the investigators.
Now, when Comey testified before the House Judiciary Committee last week, he recounted his role in the firing, for cause, of two US Attorneys. He had no trouble at all remembering why they were fired. He recounted having been an active participant in recommending that they be fired. IIRC, I think he used the phrase "not a close call" at all.
Compare and contrast that with McNulty and Moschella:
The problem, according to the Democratic aide, is that Rove and Kelley never told Moschella about the White House’s own role in pushing to have some U.S. attorneys fired in the first place. Moschella followed the coaching by Rove and others—and made no mention of White House involvement in the firings during his March 6, 2007, testimony to the House Judiciary Committee. “They let Moschella come up here without telling him the full story,” said the Democratic staffer.
Moschella at one point even appeared to specifically deny that Rove pushed to have one of his former aides, Timothy Griffin, installed at a top job at Justice. “I don’t know that he played any role,” Moschella said when asked by one committee member what Rove played in recommending Griffin to Justice. Since then, the Justice Department turned over to Congress a department e-mail that showed Griffin was installed as U.S. attorney in Arkansas because it was viewed as “important” to Rove and former White House counsel Harriet Miers.
How come McNulty and Moschella didn't already know why these USAs were being fired? Why wasn't it Justice who was informing the White House of the reasons they needed to go? If there were any problems at all with these people's job performance, wouldn't the information about that necessarily have flowed from DOJ to the White House? How would the White House have gotten information about, let's say, attendance–if not from timekeepers in DOJ?
So, if there was performance related problems with these USAs, how would the White House even know about it unless DOJ told them? We know that McNulty's predecessor, Comey, didn't tell the White House this information.
Further, as Emptywheel's timeline makes clear, the work that Sampson and Goodling were doing to get rid of these USAs began before Comey left DOJ, yet — unlike the firing of the two USAs with real cause – it was kept hidden from him.
If we are to believe McNulty and Moschella, it was kept hidden from them too.
At his March 6 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, Moschella followed the advice of Rove and others and for the first time talked about specific “performance-related” problems that purportedly led to the prosecutors being dismissed. Moschella’s comments about the “deficiencies” of particular U.S. attorneys—such as their failure to provide “effective leadership” or follow the policy priorities of the Justice Department—infuriated the U.S. attorneys, prompting them to publicly defend themselves against what they saw as an arbitrary and highly politicized process.
At least three participants in the March 5 meeting—Rove, Kelley and Kyle Sampson, former chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales—were aware of the White House role in pushing to have U.S. attorneys fired, according to another Justice Department official who attended the meeting but asked not to be identified talking about a private meeting.
I have one more beef to lay on this table, where the F*** does DOJ get off sending someone to testify under oath about something he has no personal knowledge of, about a project he didn't work on, about something where he obviously did not review any files?
He's supposed to be a lawyer, why didn't he couch his testimony in a way as to make clear which parts were hearsay? In law, when you don't know something of your own knowledge you signal that by saying that you are telling it "upon information and belief". A question I would really like answered is upon what basis did Moschella believe(assuming he did) what he was telling the Committee? A good faith belief has to be founded in ……something.
Even if Moschella didn't have time between the meeting with Rove and his testimony the next day to reveiw the files (does he not know where to get midnight oil?) what's McNuty's excuse? Why didn't he bother to find out?
Why were the people in charge out of the loop? And how/why was Karl Rove allowed to instruct them about their testimony?
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Democracy Now: Greg Palast Reports on the Firing of New Mexico Attorney David Iglesias
Palast has 500 of missing Karl Rove emails because they were sent to georgewbush.org, not georgewbush.com, and Palast’s friends own georgewbush.org.
Tap, tap, tap….is this thing on?
I don’t recall being informed that I was out of the loop.
Lou Costello @ 2
I got epooed on this downstairs, but Lou is right- you can’t miss this! Rove related e-mails!
Great post, as per usual lhp, thanks so much, really helpful info on Moschella and McNulty. I wonder if their strategy was to never get in a room with KKKarl alone. Having the two of them in the room at the same time, means they can back each other’s recollection of who said what.
This is the operative issue for me:
Once things started blowing up, DOJ sent first McNulty, then Moschella. Not Gonzales (who had already been caught in his first lies). Not Sampson (until much later). And certainly not Goodling. Which makes her bid for immunity all the more troubling.
It doesn’t look like C-Span 3 is showing the Comey hearing but it appears SJC has a webcast-
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2774
Yaaawn – it be early here on Los Angeles…
Thanks, LHP. for this. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised – it’s just now that we’ve moved beyond modus operandi and into physical evidence of Uncle Karl’s involvement…
Bold and underline is mine.
“Shape” sounds awfully close to suborning perjury.
I think that the fact that they had this initial meeting to “shape” testimony only one day before Moschella was to testify confirms a WH that is primarily reacting and very much on the defensive.
OT – Biden’s teeth on MSNBC…
most excellent RevDeb!
Good Morning LHP,
thanks for this – although I embarassingly admit to being stuck on a ‘minor point’ again – what the hell was McNulty doing in the same room w/ Rove to discuss anyone’s testimony before Congress ?!?!?
STTP in Ohio @ 4
I forgot to add the EPU’d.*wink But this is big. Someone call the Senate.
Lil Al Gonzales’ Harvard Law classmates have issued a letter and are taking out a WaPo ad saying he is a schmuck ruining the country’s justice system! http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes…..-gonzales/
“Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, who has been under fire from politicians in both parties, was assailed today by several dozen of his classmates at Harvard Law School, Class of 1982.
“As lawyers, and as a matter of principle, we can no longer be silent about this administration’s consistent disdain for the liberties we hold dear,” those classmates said in a letter to Mr. Gonzales today. “Your failure to stand for the rule of law, particularly when faced with a president who makes the aggrandized claim of being a unitary executive, takes this country down a dangerous path.[…]”
I assume it’s a rhetorical question, but by way of answering it anyway:
Why are only NCO’s sitting in jail for the shameful acts at Abu Ghraib while Gen Geoffrey Miller, John Woo and Alberto Gonzalas (among others) enjoying life as usual?
Never, EVER, let them see you take resposibility.
There is NO honor amongst these people………..
I smell something fishy (or is it dog poop?). Moschella is the guy who gave Brett Tolman the late-night language (guess he can find midnight oil when he really needs it) for the Patriot Act revision to let AGAG appoint interim USAs for the duration. Gonna go dig that up now.
Has anyone seen the actual ad in the compost that was taken out by gonzo’s law classmates? Assume one or more of the blogs might have it later but s/b interesting.
One thing about the Rove e-mails Palast has is that they are from the 2000 election cycle. So they establish the dirty tricks and the e-mail accounts from early on, and the link to Griffin, perhaps.
They don’t relate to the AG mess, and the WH must have known Palast had these for the last year or more since the first edition of “Armed Madhouse” was published.
Palast is getting good info, maybe new info, on Iglesias now. I believe it is being fed to Conyers. . .this story is not over.
Waccamaw @ 16
New York Times did not have a link and I haven’t seen it anywhere else.
ok. here are the docs: House Judic. Comm docudump, March 23, 2007, set #3. Page 2010 shows email from Tolman to Moschella at 11:06 PM agreeing to insert the language. Page 1999: email from Dan Collins to Moschella dated July 9, 2003 (ding ding ding) raising the issue and page 2002 email from Dan Collins to Moschella suggesting similar language. This has been going on a long time, gang!
LMAO.
All this testimony has been deliberately misleading and it forces us to speculate on the exact course of events. Hopefully, Goodling will have something interesting to say, but more likely, it will raise more questions than it will answer.
Why should we have to rely on this testimony? Were there no records kept at the DOJ? Obviously there were. Meetings were scheduled, recorded, or at least, someone was taking minutes. This is ridiculous. Why should we have to speculate about who was at what meeting, or what was talked about? Why should we rely on witnesses who refuse to remember what happened, when there are documents that could tell us clearly?
Papers have been subpoenaed! I want some documents! WTF?
good morning, all – coffee is ready.
good questions, lhp!
Could today be the day that the shit finally hits the fan? I’ve been discouraged lately, that all the information hasn’t led to any action.
From what I see unfolding. I think Kyle Sampson is in trouble for mis-leading congress and possible obstruction of justice.
IF Monica Goodling falls on the sword and does not implicate Rove, then I see her in a heap of trouble as well.
Based on the turn of events in Justice…
I am wondering if Fitzy is having second thoughts on his decision not to indict Rover
based on his slippery five GJ visits?
Hello,
Nancy “Impeachment is off the Table” Pelosi, when does the hubris and corruption warrant a purge?
Good morning everybody! There are 615 days left in the Bush presidency, which is better than yesterday!
Good morning all. This really is starting to get interesting. This part is key. Thanks LHP:
Lou Costello @ 2
Sounds very interesting, but I’d first make damn sure it’s not a setup for Rathergate part deux. This kind of ‘mistake’ -mistyping email addresses -is certainly possible but any knowledge on their part of the similar domains also sounds ripe for shenanigans.
All I can say is G*D F*CKING D*MN the rethuglicans in the 107-109 congresses for their complicity and refusal to perform their elected duties. If there is a special place in the lower-levels of Hell for KKKarl, The Chimpenfuhrer, Darth, Dummy et al, then the place for the Congressional M*fioso is only marginally higher
conniptionfit @ 27
We are hoping for fewer.
Lou Costello -
thanks for the Palast link – where are Palast’s 500 emails ? are they published somewhere ? the interview makes it sound like the e mails contain instructions wrt caging – and is he talking about 70K New Mexico or Arkansas voters as ‘caged’ ?
waving to John Casper !
cbl @ 11
I….DO….NOT….RE….
At least three participants in the March 5 meeting—Rove, Kelley and Kyle Sampson, former chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales—were aware of the White House role in pushing to have U.S. attorneys fired, according to another Justice Department official who attended the meeting but asked not to be identified talking about a private meeting.
my bold. So didn’t Sampson commit perjury in his testimony? Wasn’t his testimony essentially that he was just the “aggregator’ and didn’t know jack-shit about anything else?
OT —-
rest of the world is falling apart as well
Many killed in Pakistan bombing
A powerful bomb blast in a hotel in the Pakistani city of Peshawar kills at least 24 people, police say.
I guess the upside of the 615 days is that it allows 615 more days of malfeasance, criminal mischief and skimming, which will be more than sufficient to have this presidency established for posterity as the hands down all time worst ever.
bg @ 36
are we there yet?
The caging lists Palast has are for Florida, IIRC.
I am hoping Palast is also now looking into the Ohio vote tabulations that were skewed through the e-mail accounts.
also off topic:
Guantnamo Detainees’ Suit Challenges Fairness of Military’s Repeat Hearings
By WILLIAM GLABERSON
“Do-overs,” as some critics call them, are among the most controversial parts of the military’s system of determining whether detainees are enemy combatants.
cbl @ 11
That’s not a MINOR point at all. It is one thing to get called on the carpet if you screwed up and have to explaint to the WH what went wrong, but for the WH to SHAPE anybody’s testimony, well……….
And McNulty should kno w better. He’s been a prosecutor fo rmore than a little while
Old Coastie, could I have a double?
cbl @ 32
I don’t know if the 500 emails are published yet, but if I find them FDL will be the first to know.
As far as the 70,000 ‘caged’ voters…from the transcript:
Long live
Palast
Marcy
Waas
FDL
Whistleblowers Anonymous
Hello Nancy “Impeachment is off the Table” Pelosi.
Please, Please, PUH-LEEZE set the table for impachment. America cannot take 615 more days of this regime.
TJ @ 23
Let’s hope Sneate Judicary asks much bettr questions.
However, we owe House Judicary a debt of gratitude for getting Comey to come to the Hill in the first place. Now that the ice is broken…..
TiredFed @ 19
Bless you.
guess who helped Moschella dig up background on the Patriot Act language? good old Monica! this stuff was passed around between several DOJ folks (Battle included) and the Senate staffer Tolman.
[Mod: Added at request of TiredFed]—
The exchange of emails is in the March 23, 2007 docudump #3, pages 2011-2014. fascinating reading.
this is a little OT, but Gonzales is speaking right now at the National Press Club, he received a smattering of applause from the audience and a protester gave him an earful right at the beginning, i can’t wait to hear the questions at the end
TiredFed @ 47
well surprise of surprises
TexBetsy @ 31
He and Darth won’t see the end of 2008 in office. Write it down.
hmmm. I can’t seem to edit my comment above. oh well. I should have added that the exchange of emails is in the March 23, 2007 docudump #3, pages 2011-2014. fascinating reading.
[Fixed by mod]
I love the smell of scandal better than the smell of my coffee in the morning.
this was all covered quite nicely over at TPM of course: TPM re: Moschella
I just love the fact that Greg Palast’s friends own the georgewbush.com website. What a score, for sure! Perfect.
ccmask @ 52
Oh, I don’t know, I have hazelnut coffee brewing. but I do think it beats the smell of popcorn!
bg @ 36
We are waaaaay past “worst presidency ever”
We’re now closing in on war crimes & vote fraud felonies.
TiredFed @ 53
Thanks. Great link.
Lindy @ 41
it’s industrial strength already…
Scandal Latte. It’s not just for breakfast.
ccmask @ 59
Does it come with cookies?
tmhout @ 48
…it’s on CSPAN2 Live now…
thanks bg and Lou Costello,
have been sending everything even loosely related to voter suppression and DOJ Civil Rights Division and Voter Rights Division to NAACP Chair and Legal Defense Fund – I can not imagine more capable hands to jump on “caging” than this young attorney
comparing her fresh out of law school experience with that of Goodling produces a rather satisfying guffaw !
cbl @ 62
that works!
Jane and company:
Can you contact Palast for a possible Book Salon? He’s easily contacted at gregpalast.com.
And, I know he’s aware of Jane and Christy and firedoglake. I know, because I’ve talked to him about y’all. (We went to school together.)
I heard him speak in Los Angeles on his book tour for “Armed Madhouse…”. He’s a great speaker and would be a guest who has a lot of information for interested fire pups.
Lou Costello @ 12
jayt @ 34
And who pray tell is the “other” Justice Department offical?
tmhout @ 48
I wonder, if like Dick Cheney, he will suddenly decide tro start globe trotting?
MAybe there is an Interpol confernce he needs to attetnd in some other country, so as to get out of Dodge?
This link is supposed to have some of the e-mails received by Palast, caging lists included
http://2004.georgewbush.org/de…../index.asp
Almost went unnoticed: Administration hit by second resignation.
Davis’s frustration reached a peak last month when White House lawyers engaged in what he described in his letter as “substantial” edits of the board’s annual report to Congress.
“I found [their reason] to be inappropriate–and emblematic of the sincere view, with which I strongly disagreed, of at least some administration officials and a majority of the Board that the Board was wholly part of the White House staff and political structure, rather than an independent oversight entity.”
Palast also advertised Armed Madhouse on FDL during the book tour. I think he came directly from LA to NM.
His recent investigations have to do with W’s major campaign donor, known as Goldfinger. This guy, Singer, has been negotiating to buy African debt at bottom dollar, then siphoning off AIDs funding from the Africans, to pay himself for the debt at inflated rates, of course.
Abu talking about USA firings on cspan2 – “there was nothing improper done” – on live now
ccmask @ 52
Heretic! j/k
As we (ever so slowly) round-up the Party-Before-Country Traitors, we really have to make sure that the
Republican Operatives
Pay the price and Go To Jail this time. We don’t need legions of sychophants being left – untouched – only to pick-up like nothing ever happened under another Rove.
Rove, Miers, Goodling (she won’t tell the ‘whole’ truth), Sampson, Moschella, Tolson – Prison, at least!
CocoaBeach @ 68
Thank you…for the homework! *grin
Anybody able to access that Judiciary webcast link? I get a non-existent file when I press webcast.
Oh, I get it, it’s not on yet. D’oh…
lol. not too anxious, are we?
Lou,
You are welcome, very interesting reading, have fun.
CB
Anyone checking the jeb.org website??
From: Summer Van Horn [mailto:summer@jeb.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:17 AM
To: mazel@georgewbush.org
Subject: FW: campaign comments
Michele – I am told you collect these…
—–Original Message—–
From: Summer Van Horn [mailto:summer@jeb.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:15 AM
To: ‘Gigi Bolt’
Subject: campaign comments
TV ads recommendations/comments
- Mention the plans for Small Business taxes, hopefully cuts. Small businesses are for Bush/Cheney but need some relief.
- Use Lynne Cheney’s response in a campaign commercial. [ The only thing I can say as a mother, is that Sen. Kerry is a bad man, a bad man.] Her response to Sen. Kerry’s comments.
- Also: Congratulations to President Bush on his debate last night.
Summer-leigh Van Horn
305 670 5255
305 670 0404 fax
summer@jeb.org
doc dump
radiofreewill @ 73
Prison? Pardons. At least the Commander Guy’s going to get a bad case of writer’s cramp from signing all of them.
Gonzalez now naming McNulty as one of the “senior consensus” people who put the list together.
I hear marcy will be here in a few minutes to liveblog the hearing.
TexBetsy @ 60
No, it comes with crookies, lol
More on the Lanny Davis resigantion: White House Edits to Privacy Board’s Report Spur Resignation
Abu being asked about the voter fraud cases now…
TiredFed @ 77
[~spasm~]
Noope!
Helen @ 81
wow. that’s gonna leave a mark!
Shorter AbuG – “Mistakes happen”
Lieberman co-hosting a fundraiser for Republican Susan Collins. I want Lieberman thrown out of my party. Democrats. What does it take? And I don’t care about the arguments for keeping Lieberman in the party. Lieberman is a very cheap blackmailer, who’s playing my party like an even cheaper banjo.
“Moschella at one point even appeared to specifically deny that Rove pushed to have one of his former aides, Timothy Griffin, installed at a top job at Justice. “I don’t know that he played any role,” Moschella said when asked by one committee member what Rove played in recommending Griffin to Justice.”
Isn’t that exactly the wording Sampson used to justify why he decided not to mention Rove? He said something to the effect that he earlier thought Rove was involved but that when he searched his mind he realized he didn’t actually “know” that Rove was involved, so he left it out. That made me think that Rove dealt directly with Goodling, not Sampson (who dealt directly with Miers per emails).
http://www.newsday.com/news/lo…..ines#topix
US Attoney Roz Mauskaupf EDNY issued subpeonas to Michael Chertoff’s ICE agents. They served those subpoenas on the Nassau County and Suffolk County (Long Island)Boards of Elections.
The subpeonas were for the voter registration information of naturalized citizens.
I have been doing elction monitoring on LI since 2001. We do NOT have a voter fraud problem here. At all.
What we DO HAVE are all manner of voter suppression problems. mostly in minority and immigrant areas.
The voter suppression problem is so bad, Suffolk has been operating under a consent decree, and in addition to the monitors I put out in the street, federal monitors come in from out of state to document compliance with the consenbt decree.
They decree involved disenfanchisement of Hispanic voters.
So, we on LI have to opposite problem from the one the USA has chosen to investigate.
Can you spell INTIMDATION, pups?
Ya know, she was nominated to be a federal judge. Lifetime appointment, that. Do you think maybe karl had some strings attached to that nomination?
Just look at the names in that article.
Oh, and the Nassau DA. Eleceted on the Dem line, but switched from being a lifelong Repblican during the primary in order to run as Dem. Total Leiberliar.
Anyone catch MSNBC this morning? Joe Scarborough had Dan Rather on the phone and Dan was talking about how the press went along with Bush wrt the war and Joe agreed, adding that he was happy he always reported the real news and din’t go with the flow.
How’s your flow, Joe?
Joe: linoleum
Helen @ 81
Ha! Doesn’t he know this appearance is simulcast? If he hangs McNulty too far out to dry, McNulty is likely to get cross.
LS @ 76
I admit feeling like a fool too…no wonder it doesnt work.
Open letter to Gonzo (PDF)
Helen @ 81
Of course we was…is now…I think I recall. What was the question again? Can I get back to you? *wink
if y’all have any questions for Monica (perhaps Mr. Comey’s testimony today will suggest some), please leave them here, at TNH (Marcy has a post on Monica at TNH Monica). we’re collecting them and will send them to the House Judiciary Committee in advance.
gonzo on c-span in q & a – what a total waste of air time!
Lou Costello @ 69
I was in a full day meeting yesterday and then went directly to an evening event. Got home late went to bed. Total day of news blackout for me.
This AM, Marcy made a passing reference to McNulty resigning in an email to me.
Has the McNulty made it into the MSM yet?
looseheadprop @ 99
Oh LHP–I sent that yesterday, as soon as it happened? Man, you gotta use your crackberry, girl.
Anyway–it made it as far as NPR, bc mr. emptywheel told me about it as soon as he got home…
looseheadprop @ 99
heck yeah. it was all over CNN when it happened. funny, he said he would hang around until Fall. not likely now.
Here’s a little bit about the Padilla opening statements yesterday:
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m3288…..=1&l=e
TiredFed @ 82
That is the plan
twolf1 at 6:46 am
Thanks for the link to it.
does anyone else get a RealPlayer launch when clicking on the Senate Judiciary webcast link?
I refer everyone to the blog Blue Girl, Red State and her post, up today, on the other Justice official who just resigned in protest. I would love to hear John W. Dean’s assessment of what’s going on with Fred Fielding. It’s hard to escape the impression that the tail (Rove) is wagging the dog (Fielding).
shorter Abu: “Chimpy will decide my fate. After all, he is the Decider Commander Guy.”
Think Bush will have an epiphany and appoint someone honest to replace Gonzales? You know; like he did with the Rumsfeld replacement.
TiredFed @ 87
Freed of the fear of losing his job–as Janice Joplin sang “freddom is just another word for nothing left to to lose’– I wonder if McNulty is going play some music on a whistle of his own?
I just cannot come to firm opinion about the guy? Is he a good guy or a tool?
I wonder if the WH gave anyone from the DOJ written talking points about how to shape the testimony at that meeting. I suspect that they did, because there have been several phrasings that have repeated themselves here and there in various people’s testimony.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 89
For this to be the case, don’t you have to be a member of The Connecticutt for Lieberman party? Which, if I understand correctly, Joe himself is not a member of?
The National Press Club is giving AbuG an award and a mug…
Maybe Goodling was using written talkers directly from Rove to create her testimony documents and talking point documents (the ones she deleted as they progressed), and maybe that is why she wanted to plead the 5th. Maybe she was acting as Rove’s Admin. Assistant in the DOJ all along.
MAN, looseheadprop I wish you were on the legal consultation team for waxman and leahey
aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrggghhhh. not gonna be able to see the video. RealPlayer required. go, marcy, go!
LS @ 110
If so, somebody’s gonna have a copy. That would be a bit of a smoking gun, wouldn’t it?
Emptywheel liveblog upstairs on Comey at SJC
Comey SJC Testimony Liveblog
Please stay on topic during liveblogging, thanks.
as others have noted,
here is a link to the
live-video, streaming
now, on comey’s senate
judiciary committee testi-
mony. . . top post.
there should be some
mcnulty-revelations, here, today. . .
should be a busy news-day, all. . .
gotta’ jet — work calls. . .
perris @ 114
she kinda is (my guess is we have a few cong. staffers who blog)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
if bush wants to make an attempt at salvaging his presidency or legacy he can nominate fitzgerald
perris @ 114
Me too. I want LHP for attorney general.
I have the SJC link up and ready to go…
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2774
OT ~ Family Guy: Lois Griffin Adopts Republican Talking Points Or…How to win friend and influence SHEEPLE!
perris @ 114
Me too.
I get very frustrated when knowledgable. willing witnesses come before committees, say they answer ANY question, and then the really good questions don’t get asked.
The lsot opportunities drive me crazy.
Then poor Marcy a gets phone call from and has to listen to me vent. She has such patience with me.
TiredFed @ 105
yep. that’s the way it’s always worked for me.
will try to rip an mp3 of the audio, for firepups who can’t listen live.
shouldn’t the hearing have started by now?
New Thread…
I put a long comment up at the Carpetbagger Report on McNulty’s background which some of you may find interesting.
Badwater @ 80
I doubt it, for most of them. Loyalty is strictly a one-way street with Bush. He’d bail out his BFFs Rove and Meiers, but for any of the ones who talk at all, even if they don’t tell the whole truth, he’ll let them rot. His “loyalty” is an emotional thing centered on whether they completely sacrificed themselves for him, not a practical thing based on whether they weaseled just enough to stymie the investigation.
Remember Dick Cheney’s “I haven’t had any reason to talk to Scooter.”
Big bad neocon Wolfowitz. Blames his girlfriend for his troubles:
“Its members did not want to deal with a very angry Ms. Riza, whose career was being damaged as a result of their decision,” Wolfowitz said in his response to the investigating committee’s report. “It would only be human nature for them to want to steer clear of her.”
Add another consultant to the list of those advising Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton: John Kao, a corporate communications consultant who is based in San Francisco and advocates using the techniques of musical improvisation to get the creative juices flowing and leave competitors in the dust.
He’s supposed to be a lawyer, why didn’t he couch his testimony in a way as to make clear which parts were hearsay?
EXACTLY! That’s why I don’t work up much sympathy for any of them. They had to know very good and well that during their “briefing” there was no info provded to them – no files, no summaries, no names on the line, etc. – to support the firings. So they went spinning, telling the tales and pretending that there had been a review processs and that they knew something about it. So they either knew they were being asked to go an lie bc they were not given documentation and statements and direct information to support what they were being told to say – or they knew they were being asked to lie bc they do know/did know what the process actually involved and it had to be covered up.
Either way – my heart doesn’t bleed for them. They puported to have actual knowledge when they didn’t, they made representations of fact to the tribunals without any care or concern for not having any support and proof of and for those facts. And Moeschella was even involved in the Pat Act change to the legislation, wasn’t he?
Not only that – they all knew the law on removals. Each of them knew that removals had to be somehow coordinated with the President. And they willingly sold an alternative story where the WH was not involved.
On the Lam removal, in particular – how do you go before Congress to make fact reps without having dug with your fingers until you nails bleed?
I don’t think you owe any apologies lhp.
Helen @ 81
Holee fartoleee, Gonzo names “who wrote the list” names before the Press Club but not before the Committee???? WTF? WTF? W.T.F?????
I’m a little disturbed about Palast’s article above: why didn’t he find someone to prosecute the caging at the time? I mean, I know Gonzales would have tried to step on it, but there have to be people at DoJ who would do the right thing…
Silently, stealthily, unseen by cameras, the war on Iran has begun. Many sources confirm that the US has increased its aid to armed movements among the ethnic minorities that make up about 40% of Iran’s population. ABC News reported in April that the US had secretly assisted the Baluchi group Jund al-Islam (Soldiers of Islam), responsible for a recent attack that killed 20 Revolutionary Guards. According to an American Foundation report, US commandos have operated inside Iran since 2004.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..28,00.html
Bill Durbin @ 106
Thanks for the referral, Bill. I didn’t even know any of y’all knew I was out there. Since I’m here, I’ll engage in a wee bit o’ blogwhoring – BG,RS is is where I let the redhead off the leash – but I also contribute to another blog – Watching Those We Chose – where a whole team of folks are doing a damn fine job.
The character – and I do mean character – bmaz who you all know and mostly love is a contributor there as well.
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