
Just to summarize for those who missed it. The bulk of Comey's appearance was taken by Schumer, getting Comey to explain what happened on March 10, 2004. Office of Legal Counsel had told Comey there was no legal justification for parts of the NSA Domestic Spying Program. Comey briefed Ashcroft on it, and they agreed that they could not reauthorize the program in its current form. When Comey told that to Andrew Card, Card got pissed. That night, Comey got a call from his Chief of Staff, saying Mrs. Ashcroft had gotten a call at the hospital, saying Card and Gonzales were on their way over. Comey rushed to the hospital to try to prepare Ashcroft for what was about to occur. And then, in his drug induced state, Ashcroft refused to reauthorize the program, and said he wasn't AG anyway, Comey was acting AG.
The program was "reauthorized" anyway, w/o DOJ's blessing. For two weeks, according to Comey, it operated outside the rule of law (though one day after the hospital visit, Bush told Comey to "do what's right," so they started to put it in line with the law).
That night, Comey and a number of other DOJ staffers prepared their resignation, refusing to stay after they had been overridden.
Comey and Robert Mueller met one-on-one, in succession with Bush the following day, and Bush eventually agreed to fix the program.
One point Comey made. The biggest reason why Comey and Mueller were able to get Bush to change the program was because Bush was willing to meet with them privately. The unstated message here is that, so long as Cheney, Addington, Card, and Gonzales were able to mediate between DOJ and Bush, they were able to persuade him to keep the program on its illegal footing.
One more thing. Comey said that one of his staffers, Philben (sp), was denied a promotion because of his role in the hospital meeting.
Sheldon Whitehouse.
SW: Where the standards should be of what is proper and what is improper for bringing political influence into DOJ. More specifically, I've been concerned by statements that came out of DOJ, Sampson "the limited category for improper reasons would include an effort to interfere with a particular case." GOnzales: In order to interfere with a particular prosecution.
[basically, he's showing they're working off a talking point. I like Whitehouse.]
SW: When I read those things, I hearken back to Obstruction of Justice. 1) Awareness of particular case. 2) Interfere with it. 3) For corrupt purpose. Such as partisan or political gain. Do you think interfering with a particular case would be basis for opening up an investigation into obstructoin.
JC Certainly for opening an inquiry.
SW Is that the standard?
JC No, if the standard is obstruction of justice, we're setting the bar way too low.
JC You need to talk about it in two terms, Main Justice, they have to be different in terms of what political means. It is the job of DOJ to be responsive to priorities of President. It is Main Justice's job to see to it that USAs can operate where there is little or no political consideration. They've got to call balls and strikes as they see it. The job of the department is to receive the complaints and decide what to do with them without polluting the USAs.
Schumer Isn't it the office of OLC that makes a judgment about what is legal or not? DIdn't OLC advise you that what was attempting to be done was not within the law.
JC They coudl not find a legal basis for it.
Schumer Let me conclude by thanking you. You are a profile in courage. You are what our government is about. It has to do with caring about the rule of law. What happened in that hosptial room crystalizes the rule of law--he holds it in low regard. It's hard understanding how AGAG could remain AG, how ANY President could allow him to continue. I know it wasn't easy. I know if we didn't have the power of subpoena you wouldn't be here. We thank you for being here and having the courage for speaking the truth.
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Schumer says that Comey’s testimony”crystalized Mr. Gonzales’s view of the rule of law - that he holds it in little regard.
“It’s hard to say how any president, Democrat or Republican, could allow him to continue.”
(paraphrase)
Over - people in room are giving Comey a standing ovation.
that was fucking amazing. gotta have a cig now.
((((thank you Jane))), thank you so much for this!
thanks Emptywheel - ya rock as always!
tommy, if I still smoked I’d join you.
My favorite was Schumer thanking Comey for testifying all of the American people!
Thank you Marcy for the liveblogging!
Thanks, Marcy and FDL.
EW, Helen, cbl et al:
Thank you!! It’s means a great deal to me that you all do what you do. Later…
missed it, but I’ll applaud anyway.
Say Hi to Mrs. Bush who is probably out having one herself for us!
debit @ 6
i’ll just have to have two!
you’re smarter than me, debit.
Thank you to EW and this wonderful site.
Jane Hamsher @ 2
And that is exactly where the Bush Crime Family wants him to hold it.
Mission Accomplished.
Echoing Quzi @ 7: thank you, Marcy! This is amazing.
CSPAN2 - Senate voting on water bill (S1495)- is this the one with the Iraq stuff in it ?
punaise @ 10
do whatever you can to watch, punaise. some of the most electrifying, damning testimony i’ve ever heard.
Empty, thanks so much. You’re a treasure to all of us who get the benefit of your work and wisdom. {{{Jane}}} you’re the greatest–thanks!
cbl @ 5
SECONDED!
RevDeb @ 14
You know, this country is living down to Ben Franklin’s worst fears, re: his comments to the woman about a Republic if you can keep it.
Thank you all. Got here late. Now everyone clean the butter and salt from your keyboards and mice.
wow.
will post link to an mp3 in a few minutes.
Just adding thanks to all involved. Imagine what it would be like without “the tubes”.
It is now impossible to be a student of this government without having FDL as a companion on the journey.
Thanks Marcy and all the most excellent commenters.
I’m with punaise, I missed it except for the amazing live blogging.
Thank you all for the recap.
Looks to me like Mr. Comey is a dragon slayer.
But did we hear any testimony that should lead to an inditment?
Wow. That was extraordinary. I hope the hospital story makes headlines. Bullying a man on his sickbed in an attempt to make an end run around the law. Gonzales has no shame at all.
I would love to know what Comey and Muller told the prez–whatever it was must’ve really scared him as it got him to go over the heads of his minders.
Beautiful work here folks. That was uplifting testimony. More like that.
Now what will the Buscho Corporate Media say (or remain silent) about the importance of what Comey revealed today…predictions? And/or what is the WH spin to combat the fact thatComey essentially blew the whistle on Lawbreakers in Chief Bushco et Gonzo et al. Bush/Gonzales gave the middle finger to the rule of law after attempting to take advantage of a man that was in the hospital who wouldn’t be coerced into legally greenlighting illegal actions through the “King George proclamation”.
that’s why they call him fredo. Do anything for the family and dumb.
I wonder how the boat scene gits in and who momma corleone is?
oh, to have a recording of that phone conversation between comey and card right after the hospital debacle.
We’ve been using references like The Godfather, and the Nazi’s, and Rove-as-Machievelli, etc., but did this just go Borgia with Ashcorft’s hospitalization?
Balrog @ 28
congratulations!
So what program were we referring to? Was it the surveillance program. If so, I am truly puzzled Asscroft refused to sign. He’s such a major wingnut.
Thanks FDL,
It’s great to be able to watch the testimony with color commentary and reminders of backstory, etc. Very valuable.
I was moved to tears by Schumer’s closing remarks re Comey. Rule of law. Courage.
Interesting how all the repugs other than Snarlin decided not to show up. It would be good for them not to show up for anything. Maybe then we could get something done to reverse the course of the Titanic.
Woodhall Hollow @ 27
I agree that Abu has no shame at all.
I don’t know about Bush being scared. I took his “do what’s right” comment as SOP CYA to get them out of his office. Then his pack of dogs could deal with them afterwards. JMHO.
Yeah, what’s with not showing up, GOP?
Most of them didn’t show up for Valerie’s testimony either. Emulating the ostrich, I guess: lalala, I can’t hear you.
Woodhall Hollow @ 27
That is precisely the story that should be on every front page tomorrow morning. But I won’t hold my breath……
But did we hear the basis for an inditement?
(how the heck do you spell “inditment” anyway?)
I wish I had been a fly on the wall videotaping that meeting in Ashcroft’s ICU room…Can you say UTube? That would have been priceless
Quzi @ 7
My favorite was when Comey got stumped with the question: Name one good thing Abu has done” That is gonna be all over KO and Jon Stewart tonight.
Feels like America!
So was Comey talking about the TSA and a sign off that was not statutorily required?
Or the statutorily required sign off of for the telecoms for the trawling there? Or was he being careful not to say which?
Still wish someone had asked about FISA court orders and their violations. But maybe they’ll que up Baker next?
Was this deliberately slid in so that there wouldn’t be many Republicans and the story could come out with more coherence and interruptions to discuss how wonderful the President is?
Oh well - great job.
Loo Hoo @ 42
Joy!
Thanks, again Marcy and FDL. MSM and those who don’t look elsewhere are the big losers today.
emptywheel - Thank you so much for these threads. Great work as always. i think we finally got the pyrotechnics that were missing from Comey’s testimony to the House. I’m down with Sen. Schumer - how can Abu G possibly remain as AG? His presence is emblematic of the corruption of this Adminsitration.
Unbelievable!
indictment
but the dic is silent.
Wow. Okay…
Good point about this hearing being under the radar, and it seems like they were sidetracked by the uber-important hospital story, which blows open the door of a whole scandal center that we’ve been waiting to look into (Greenwald should be very happy right now.)
Just a couple of things about Gonzo and the USAs that I missed. Comey seemed to almost go out of his way in characterizing Gonzo and saying that he wasn’t a bumbling incompetent, but he was quite capable of evaluating arguments and making decisions and was ENGAGED in running the DoJ (paraphrase, but he used the E-word). Nobody asked Comey, based on his experience in working with Gonzo, if he was an active or detached participant in the USA firings.
But a bigger topic was Gonzo’s arrival and the change in the climate of the DoJ. We just heard McKay last week in the Seattle Times saying that Gonzo gave a big speech to the troops where he said that everybody works for the President, and McKay thought, what? uh-oh, watch out now. Did Comey remember the speech? Can he characterize any politicization or changes in the DoJ upon Gonzo’s arrival?
Lastly, what about the Sampson-Goodling hiring order signed by Gonzo? Wouldn’t Comey have an opinion on that and its appropriateness for the administration of the DoJ? Thinking about it, that order itself could turn out to be the smoking gun for Gonzo, a lesser charge that might flush him–it’s just not a kosher way to operate DoJ–and Comey’s testimony on it could have been very helpful.
Helen @ 41
Yes, yes yes!
conniptionfit @ 39
It’s “indictment” IIRC.
TeddySanFran @ 37
If you’re a Repub who’s been on the Judiciary Committee for the last 7 years, you want to go explain how all this happened on YOUR watch?
RevDeb @ 14
Yup.
TeddySanFran @ 37
Republicans don’t do oversight. That would be responsible. They don’t do responsible either.
So now we know Republicons support the Hatchet Act. Also the Stonewall Act and Congressional Mushroom Treatment Act.
Felt different without Orrin Hatch and Cornyn.
Firepups, CSPAN did not cover this hearing. They say that they do not take webcasts or other video from the Judiciary Committee; at the same time, I think this testimony is sufficiently important enough that it should be seen by as many Americans as possible.
If you think it will help at all, please call Senator Schumer’s office and ask if he’d help with CSPAN perhaps bending its rules a bit in this matter. I just called them. There’s strength in numbers.
(202) 224-6542
Thank you,
-S
i’m still pissed that this hearing wasn’t on c-span.
note - this afternoon’s scheduled scheduled senate intelligence committee on the Nomination of John Rizzo to be CIA General Counsel - has been “Postponed, New Date to be Determined”.
Loo Hoo @ 42
Especially getting an email from Russ Feingold asking for money 5 minutes after the hearing ended.
10 Quatloos to the Patriot Fund!
f’ the hospital visit - I found the part about Card barring Solicitor General of the US from his office explosive !
Quzi @ 40
Card pinching off Ashcrofts IV drugs line, and Gonzales asking if he needs his fix yet! LMAO! Couldn’t happen to a nicer prick! (if I believed in torture, which I don’t)
tommy yum @ 17
Had an appointment to take my car to the shop but couldn’t tear myself away. Riveting.
LaFourmiRouge @ 46
gonzo stays in precisely because he did what he was supposed to do. he’s not a loose cannon; he’s a bag boy, a trigger man. he’s not going anywhere, unless it’s to save rove’s ass.
To tell you the truth, I was really really annoyed when Schumer monologued, and interpolated like some kind of cheap detective.
tommy, I’m coming up on two months of being smoke/nicotine free and it’s fabulous.
and RevDeb @ 35: Hah!! I am sure Arlen’s shoulders hurt from being the only water carrier. It’s almost enough to make me feel sorry for him. Then I remember Habeas corpus.
Mary4 @ 43
This was on the NSA spying program.
He was parsing carefully, obviously not setting up a conflict with Addington’s unitary theories.
OLC said there was no legal justification for the program as it currently existed. And OLC is the arbiter of this for the entire Executive Branch.
But as to whether the absence of signoff from DOJ itself was illegal, Comey was unwilling to say.
So in other words, the OLC judgment made the program illegal. The absence of signature had little to do with it.
mui @ 55
They didn’t have the guts to come in and question Comey.
Doesn’t this have AG perjury written all over:
When Comey described the night of the hospital visit, it was like listening to a movie script. Unbelievable. He was really afraid for Ashcroft. He said he got all of his guys together and they rushed to the hospital, that he sprinted up the steps..they were RUNNING to get to the room and they would not leave the AG alone. They were guarding him for his life. And, oh BTW, the AG got sick the week before just hours after they had agreed that the unnamed SPYING ON US CITIZENS program was discussed between Comey and Ashcroft and that they were not going to certify it as legal. (Do you suppose they were being EAVESDROPPED ON?????). Ashcroft almost died folks.
Then, in came Gonzo and Card. Gonzo the irreverent thug. What a scene. Then outside the room, Comey was called into another room to speak with Card, and they had words. It sounds like a mafia story. Also, he said it was the president that made the call personally that Gonzo and Card were coming to the hospital, even though the AG was in INTENSIVE CARE and visitors were banned by Mrs. Ashcroft.
What a crazy scenario. What a movie this is going to make someday. Who needs to make this stuff up…I’m still peeling my jaw off the ground.
OT ~ ‘BIG Pauly’ Wolfowitz: “I’m gonna F*CK YOU UP!” *wink
I guess the Repubs on the Committee all had to pick up their laundry from the dry cleaners. Er sumpthin’.
selise @ 22
Will this wind up on youtube? Hope so! Incredibly dramatic testimony. Thanks so much Marcy and Jane.
LS @ 68
they are the Borgias!
Breaking: Five more hurt in Green Zone!
Mary4 @ 43
That’s very classy of you Mary.
Hard to see how ANY President could keep him?
Well, Sheldon, um Senator WhiteHouse, this is not ANY President. This is the worst president EVER.
hey you guys, Lou Costello aint a kiddin’ -
do-si-do @ 47
Like Cheney?
Last year (I am still looking for the exact date, sorry) Gonzales stated directly and specifically that the Ashcroft hospital visit was NOT in relation to the warantless wiretapping program “that the president has acknowledged”, but rather to another, still classified and secret program. There was some speculation at the time that it was a broad-based data-mining program that was distinctly seperate, possibly a ‘feeder’ program for the warrantless wiretapping program. I don’t think we have the full story on this, yet, and Comey didn’t help, altho he did not contradict the general assumption. THere is still a program or three out there that we haven’t heard much about yet.
snowbird42 @ 73
Shitteth hitteth the fanneth. Embassy personnel afraid.
Y’all know where your pitchforks and torches are, right?
J. Thomason @ 67
Yeah but that’s Specter, and I’m sure he’ll find a judgment in Scottish law somewhere that says AGAG can never be found guilty of perjury because he always retains the ability to recant.
zhiv @ 48
Oh, I caught the word engaged and said out loud to my computer screen “he just accused Gonzo of perjeury”
tommy yum @ 62
Yes, Abu continues to “lead effectively”.
But, dammit, when do we get to the indiCtments?? I wanna see a perp walk here, very soon!!
PERP WALK!
PERP WALK!
PERP WALK!
Blue Girl @ 80
mine’s always at the ready
Quzi @ 49
Nope, it was better when his first rsponse was ” I’m not here to dump on Gonzales” Thats a paraphrase. It makes clear that he obvoulsy dumps on AGAG in other, more private, forums
in my hand and lit !
Elliott @ 85
In my barn. I’ve got all sorts of tooools.
nomolos @ 77
actually I misspoke (a lot of that going around).
The dic is pronounced “die”. Cheney’s mantra.
Congress, please don’t allow Gonzales to continue saying, “I’m going to stay on as AG.” So, who IS the Decider? I think directly it is congress, stemming from ‘We The People’.
Why get your ducks in a row only to let them fly away?
What has happened SINCE GONZO TOOK OVER to the OLC?
Has it been politicized?
bluejeansntshirt @ 21
I’ve often wondered how to clean butter and salt from mice. How do you do it?
/s
Schumer almost swore Comey in as the new AG. That was really funny.
cbl @ 59
No, I found the part about Muller feeling the need to order Comey’s FBI agents not to allow Comey to be REMOVED from the hospital room.
WHy did Muller fear that Comey was going to be forcibly removed?????
yellowdogD @ 92
Here Kitty Kitty
spurious @ 71
i sure hope someone captured the video (i only have the audio)… for youtube - this is must see tv.
ADDINGTON! ADDINGTON! ADDINGTON!
Good job on BookTV !
DOJ official stands up for the rule of law? Sounds like Elliot Richardson.
Applause in the gallery for a display of honor and truth? Sounds like Jimmy Stewart.
For our next contestant, Monica Goodling…..
A person I know who covers the DOJ for a news organization claims that Gonzales is smart and not a bumbling fool.
His bumbling act is to cover the absolute depraved levels of corruptness that he has enabled.
-GSD
looseheadprop @ 94
kaBOOM!
yellowdogD @ 92
I usually use a gentle shampoo, and make sure to take a Q-Tip to the ears afterward.
looseheadprop @ 94
He needs to testify about this matter. There was another stream of events that circled around Muller. My best guess is that CArd and Gonzo tried to use Muller and the FBI to banish Comey so that they could bully Ashcroft w/out a witness. And Muller wouldn’t go along.
selise @ 22
Thanks. Would appreciate it. Missed some.
This was incredible stuff!
Thanks EW, Jane, everyone.
Balrog @ 58
20 bananas for the FDL Fund!
zhiv @ 48
[snip]
[snip]
Striking refutation of AGAG’s defense.
Wonder what sort of distraction we should expect today–another ‘terrorist’ apprehended (6 months ago)?
looseheadprop @ 94
I think someone was BUGGING Comey and Ashcroft and probably Muller too. They knew. Gonzo knew. I’d bet anything, anything they were being eavesdropped on. This story is really sinister.
Wow! Comey’s testimony was amazing.
The fact that he and his men rushed to the hospital shows me that he really believed that the WH lackeys would take advantage of Ashcroft’s being on medication to force a signature. The President was right in on the plot. That is clear.
Also, amazing emptywheel’s live blogging! Thank to all at FDL who made it happen.
Blue Girl @ 80
I’ve got some tiki torches and a rake. Always drives out the monsters in the movies.
OT: y’all have probably seen this already, but here are some richly deserved words of praise from Glenn Greenwald:
well said, Glenn.
LS @ 93
no… sad… check in yer rear-view mirror - how far this poor country has fallen in a mere 6 yrs & counting….
what.a.mess
something is stuck on “bold”.
Had to leave just after Kohl… And now it appears to be over. I thought there was supposed to be a second round? Was there some sort of time limit and Schumer and Specter used it all up? Can anyone fill me in on why it’s over so soon? Thanks…
I suspect this all comes out looking like a disgruntled employee. I don’t think anything illegal, immoral or evening fattening was shown.
Great coverage- great to see Mary back!
Check Comey’s testimony. He made a point to say that Ashcroft was taken ill mere “hours” after their meeting about the “program” and it’s legality.
phred @ 112
I think they basically decided that they had to go into a closed hearing to get to the real dirt/meat. Yeah, Comey’s opinions about Abu are interesting, but this NSA-hospital story is the smoking gun they have been looking for, for awhile. Clever how they got Comey in. And interesting how Comey wasn’t surprised by Schumer’s questions.
even if they didn’t know they were being bugged, by that time Dir Mueller had had conversations w/Addington that admittedly made his skin crawl
link
will see if I can find the “skin crawl” quote - believe it is in original USNWR article
thank you for covering this