With just a little judicious editing:
How could the nation's top newspapers, with their extensive resources, their thousands of employees[], their vast networks of all-seeing eyes and ears in the skies, and clusters of informants below, have failed to [] find that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction?
The unforgivable flaw in Judy Miller's alternatively fascinating, infuriating,
important,and self-serving article is her failure to explain in any depth, as only she could have, the colossal failures that occurred during her tenure as the NYT's lead security reporter."Seeking Shelter From the Storm" (NY Sun) does not lack merit. It should be required reading on how journalism works, or doesn't. But those seeking insight into how and why the media failed in its [] most vital mission [] will be disappointed.
Ms. Miller is understandably furious that her career has been encapsulated in the phrase "I was proved fucking right." But no matter how she attempts to explain what she really meant by it, this article will not prevent the words she admits having uttered with respect to what she calls "reporting" the case for Iraqi WMD [] from dominating her obituary.
[snip]
She also quibbles with the bloggers' broad indictment of the press for its lack of "imagination" and innumerable management and analytical failings. "Several articles I wrote or co-wrote were based on this faulty intelligence, and in May 2004, The Times concluded in an editors' note that its coverage should have reflected greater editorial and reportorial skepticism." Meanwhile, the NYT's ossified bureaucracy, by many accounts, continues to resist "open-source" information and oppose the transparency that the bloggers argued would dramatically enhance its effectiveness.
[snip]
While her portrait of the vindictiveness and deceit within the Administration's inner circle is depressing, so, too, is Ms. Miller's alleged self-serving passivity in the guise of journalistic neutrality. She was never a judge of the facts, she contends, merely a mouthpiece for propaganda — "my job isn't to assess the government's information and be an independent intelligence analyst myself. My job is to tell readers of The New York Times what the government thought about Iraq's arsenal."
What bozo thought that Judy Miller was the appropriate person to write a review pass judgment on George Tenet's self-delusional explanation for his failures?
HAHAHA! HotFlash clicked through to the original and discovered that the ad was ever so appropriate:
And now that the ad at the top of the page reads (at least when I clicked) “the most trusted name in mattresses”.



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Zeded!
Zed!!??
Howdy Ms Empty!
gonna go read your post now
I actually read the post. Judy Miller still thinks she is a reporter. Stranger things have happened I guess.
All I can say is that there is blood on her hands, and she has to live with that. She is despicable.
Go EW go!
Miller is a stupid woman. She spent all that time in jail. And for what?
The bozos that apparently share a hive mind with the editors of Time, who think that getting crackpot creationist Michael Behe to write about Richard Dawkins is a smashingly good idea, old chap!
AZ Matt @ 4
Well, in this case, she thinks she’s a book critic. Though why she would start with Tenet is beyond me.
Now for an actual comment:
I finally am starting to catch up on my movie watching and Good Night and Good Luck was sooooo wonderful! Maybe I should send the DVD to Ms. Miller?
Question Authority.
Er, Who am I to tell you to question authority…
Well The New York Sun was created by Bozos for the furtherance of Bozokind. The dark farce that is Judy Miller continues unabated. Where will she go next? What will she do next? Who will take her phone calls? And what of the nation from whence she came?
Rufus Wainwright sums it up perfectly:
“I’m going to a town that has already been burned down
I’m going to a place that is already been disgraced
I’m gonna see some folks who have already been let down.
I’m so tired of America
I’m gonna make it up for all of the Sunday Times
I’m gonna make it up for all of the nursery rhymes
They never really seem to want to tell the truth
I’m so tired of you America
Making my own way home
Ain’t gonna be alone
I got a life to lead America
I got a life to lead
Tell me do you really think you go to hell for having loved?
Tell me and not for thinking every thing that you’ve done is good
(I really need to know)
After soaking the body of Jesus Christ in blood
I’m so tired of America
(I really need to know)
I may just never see you again or might as well
You took advantage of a world that loved you well
I’m going to a town that has already been burned down
I’m so tired of you America
Making my own way home
Ain’t gonna be alone
I got a life to lead America
I got a life to lead
I got a soul to feed
I got a dream to heed
And that’s all I need
Making my own way home
Ain’t gonna be alone
I’m going to a town that has already been burned down”
Coleen Rowley being introduced for the live FBI whistleblowers panel which is on c-span 3 now.
I read her review ystrdy and the irony was delish. That her editors would ask her to write it. That she would do it. That she would say what she said!
And now that the ad at the top of the page reads (at least when I clicked) “the most trusted name in mattresses”.
Jeebus.
From The Hill, Henry don’t have enough to do.
LINK
Marci, they’re all Bozos on the WaPo Executive Editorial Board bus, (apologies to Firesign Theater) so take your pick.
But I think Fred HighHat might just wear the red nose and hairpiece better than the rest…
FBI whistleblowers is VERY interesting…
This is deeper than I thought, right off the bat.
Yes, when it comes in international politics Judy is the most trusted name in mattresses.
Trusted name in mistresses..oh, sorry, I must have misread..
JEP, re your comment last thread about Clinton, when people here say “I blame Clinton” it’s a joke. We’re making fun of the wingers. Seems like you thot people were serious.
Waxman is gonna save democracy
Nobody needs to “prop” him up!
EMPTYWHEEL! Ooooh, this was another great post. It’s always a pleasure having you disect Judy,Judy,Judy. What a total tool (read: Repug tool) she is!
Judy Miller and George Tenet are mutually reinforcing stupidity with neither one to blame for the other’s cupidity and arrogant wrongness.
Yet both are just two sides of the two-headed coin.
Judith Miller writing a book review? That’s a joke. A woman who has proven time and again that she lacks critical faculties and analytic acumen. But then again, we’re talking about the editors of the New York Sun who gave her the assignment.
Hey Marcy!
How’s our television star?
Rice hearing pushed back
Well, Mr. Tenet will be appearing at a committee hearing near you next month:
thinkprogress link
And BTW, I though Judy was the most trusted name in kneepads.
spurious @ 14
golly, why did she not tell that to the readership… instead “unnamed sources…”
AZ Matt @ 4
Sadly, by today’s standards, she still is. ‘Cuz all you need to do is write down what the really powerful, interesting people are telling you, since they’d never have a hidden agenda, ever.
[Sticks fingers down throat to retch.]
The staff of Editor & Publisher’s assessment of Judith Miller’s “book review”:
My bold.
Michael German, FBI former Special Agent and whistleblower speaking live on c-span 3 now.
Man, I haven’t even read the post yet. I can’t keep up while I’m working, so I’ll have to stop working. *g*
oo and I forgot
EMPTYWHEEL!
Judith is still carrying Shooter/Scooter’s water: they didn’t lie and make up stuff; they were just innocent, well-meaning victims of those incompetents at the CIA who got everything wrong. Nothing to impeach for here.
now just hold the phone Nancy Drew . . .
hell, doesn’t Journamalism 101 demand the reporter include the fact based refutations from the British, Germans, and the French intel agencies right there ?!?!? -
I will always think of her as Maj. Margaret “Hot Lips” Houlihan leaving the CO’s tent bemoaning ‘My Pulitzer . . .My Pulitzer’
From an earlier thread:
I noticed that several people have asked: Why a September deadline?
Simple — the Defense Department runs out of money at Midnight on September 30th, which is the end of the fiscal year. Any money they might have been misguided enough to sit on vanishes then.
In the Federal Government if you have unspent funds at the end of the year, you don’t get them back. That’s why a lot of equipment and supplies are purchased by every Federal agency in September.
Now, in all likelihood the Congress will pass the Defense appropriation bill for FY 2008 before the end of FY 2007. What I’m wondering is if the funds for withdrawal from Iraq will be in there.
1) Someone with a wicked sense of humor.
2) Someone recently returned from a desert island where their only companion was a soccerball.
3) Scooter Libby
egregious @ 24
I actually met the Lioness before she was famous (she wouldn’t remember). Can’t even get close enough for an autograph now. ;)
well paint my face red, I thought we were talking about the Post, and it was actually the Sun…
DUH. Watching and reading too much at once…
But, while it is not at all germane to our discussion, I still stand by my Freddie HighHat Bozo comparisons…
That coin is hydra-headed.
hooof….the threads are flying fast and furious today, don’t even have time to read everyone, sorry
I have work to do and opoligize for the ot’s but think progress has some GREAT stories up that I won’t be able to read about…forgive the long cuts and pastes but I have to go
In a new statement, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) announced that Tenet will provide a deposition on the issue and testify before the committee on June 19:
Today Chairman Henry A. Waxman announced that the Oversight Committee will postpone the hearing with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice from May 15, 2007, to June 19, 2007. The hearing is being postponed to allow former CIA Director George Tenet to testify with Secretary Rice and to accommodate Secretary Rice’s travel schedule.
[snip]
[Shortened by moderator. Please give a short section and a link]
and this
I started to read the multi-page article, but got sidetracked into the reader comments. It ain’t pretty.
cbl @ 34
No – you have to tell the other side of the story only if the “A’ side has a liberal bent and even if “the other side” are semi-crazed wackadoodles (James Inhofe, anyone?) who can say, with a straight face, that the sky is green.
But if the Bushies say it, “the other side” are traitorous and naive.
[/rant]
sorry, if a moderator would shorten my posts above I refreshed and don’t have the ability to edit
have a good day all
[Mod: Sure. No extra charge.]
egregious @ 19
Sorry, I was off-snark today, will readjust my perspective…
Now that you mention it, I’m LOL…
scarecrow @ 33
and the aspens now turning
Listening to the FBI whistleblowers is very intense right now, it is quite a show.
And not one the Bushies will appreciate…
These folks are saying things we have all suspected for a long time…
Back in the day, I guess I must have been the only person in American who used to love the old CNN’s talking-head shows — Crossfire, Capital Gang, Novak, Hunt & Shields, all of ‘em. And even though I pretty much hate Robert Novak, I give him credit for two things: he knew that US foreign policy in the Middle East is poisonous and suicidal, and every time Kate O’Beirne or some other Bush toady claimed that Saddam Hussein had WMD on one of those shows, Novak always said he didn’t believe it and that there was no evidence for it. Novak was obviously talking to people in the CIA, or State, or the military, or wherever, who were telling him this was all bullshit. So all this hoo-hah that “everyone believed it” is obviously a lie. Journalists like Novak — NOVAK!!!! — knew at the TIME it was a lie. Judy Miller is lying now if she says anything otherwise.
Can’t imagine how judith fucking miller can stand the friction burns on her knees.
David Ehrenstein @ 39
I wouldn’t put that coin in my pocket!
Another example of Democracy and freedom of the press in action. Bush style. Or is it fascism?
Soldiers serving overseas will lose some of their online links to friends and loved ones back home under a Department of Defense policy that a high-ranking Army official said would take effect Monday.
The Defense Department will begin blocking access “worldwide” to YouTube, MySpace and 11 other popular Web sites on its computers and networks, according to a memo sent Friday by Gen. B.B. Bell, the U.S. Forces Korea commander.
emptywheel,
I want to thank you and others at this fine blog for reading the above nonsense, (no, wait I think Jane offered a much better description earlier today):
“weird, self-serving, fact-free NeoCon tripe”
so I don’t have to.
I think I’ve found a new favorite phrase!
Wow. One unreliable narrator evaluating another. It’s so “meta” I can’t stand it. Can we get Barry Bonds to review Jose Canseco’s book?
scarecrow @ 37
Ut oh. I don’t remember. Was it at YearlyKos?
When the New York Sun becomes the voice of journalistic integrity because the New York Times has it collective head up Judith Miller’s ass, it says everything you need to know about the state of American Media.
{{{{{Marcy}}}}}
THANK YOU for this, and everything else you’ve done.
Sometimes I think I can’t take another nanosecond of just chipping away at the wall of craziness out there.
Then I read one of your posts and know that, yes, we’re making progress. Agonizingly slow, but progress nevertheless.
Grump: today our local, often fairly good newsrag has only the story of the (supposedly) newest killing of a “major Al Qaida leader” on p. 1. Virtually nothing else of consequence. Nothing about the generals speaking out. Nothing about the week of whistleblowers… nothing…
…a parallel universe…
We need to keep on hammering.
Thank you. When are you announcing your campaign for Congress? ;->
707 William Ockham !!
perris @ 40
thank you for all that
Helpless Dancer @ 41
sorry I don’t now what you are referring to (I’m trying to catch up to keep up so I must have missed your reference)
Who knew? Besides writing book reviews, Judith Miller is also an “antiques expert.” From Google:
emptywheel @ 53
I was the 38th guy in line to shake your hand after the FAMOUS PLAME PANEL [shocked, shocked you can’t remember — next time, I will hide in the weeds!] That was the panel where people started a huge ovation as soon as you guys walked on the stage. Wonderful moment.
Elliott @ 57
What I meant was that I got two pages into Judy Judy Judy’s review and then I started to read the comments to the review. As I said it wasn’t pretty.
perris @ 43
perris – have a good day. yer special!
you can quote till the middle of next week, & I wouldn’t mind – but i also will never earn that coveted “moderator” title. guess they gotta do what they gotta do, if we are to keep our precious Lake rippling ;->
Biodun @ 58
i’m sure there’s a message in there somewhere… heh
Millers integrity is shot. After her performance in the run up to Libby VS. US, I wouldn’t read an article by her for ‘This Week in Needlepoint’.
Hi Marcy!
I also want to add my thanks for all you do as well. Enjoyed your appearance on CSPAN this weekend. The insights to “backstage at the Libby trial” were great, too.
And since David S. lurks here… “Go Bucks!!!”
scarecrow @ 59
Oh. Then I have an excuse. I got cornered by Garance Franke-Ruta hassling me about why I would be willing to appear under my real name when I campaign so vociferously in favor of pseudonyms. Pretty remarkable how little things have changed in the last year, huh?
In any case, Garance fried my brain that day. So I apologize–but it’s Garance’s fault.
Since when are US troops patrolling with Pakistani troops inside Pakistan?
US soldier shot dead in Pakistan by militants.
-GSD
Bustednuckles @ 63
Btw, she has totally revamped JudithMiller.org, to take off her self-interested bitching from 2005 and to replace it with self-interested coverage of the Libby trial. Don’t know what to make of it, but…
Helpless Dancer @ 60
What I meant was that I got two pages into Judy Judy Judy’s review and then I started to read the comments to the review. As I said it wasn’t pretty.
oh thank you, I’m looking forward to reading it.later.
Bustednuckles @ 63
That’s how jaded I feel right now: Does credibility still matter?
It seems today’s journalism is just how well you promote your political party’s agenda…
Adie @ 62
She’s an expert on Iraqi Vases
emptywheel:
Thanks for that ‘editing’…perfect! I read a little of that THING she produced and was saying to myself “Who the fuck are YOU?!” Glass houses, etc.
ps –>> Your CSPAN segment was brilliant, too!
—–
Related in a perverse, and sorta sad way to Judy’s ‘problem’ -
From today’s WaPo Politics chat:
And as a last aside the thread should be ‘Shelter From the Storm’ of Reality:
In an obscure or ironic sense…just seems to go together, somehow.
Ed*ard Teller, I was reading about those Alaskan Bridges again and thought you might not have seen this…very interesting stuff.
If anyone comes across rerun times of today’s whistleblower panels on CSpan 1 or 2, could they please be footnoted in a post (vs. comments)?
No links on-line need apply……..we’re talking dial-up here. *g*
OT, but the Republic is saved. Newt Gingrich announces his candidacy is a “great possibility.” Run, Newt, run.
Judy, Tenet, and Rice – They’ve all lawyered-up and been told the same thing:
“Whoever admits to championing the ‘imminent threat’ justification for invading Iraq is LIKELY to hang in the Hague.”
So, strange bedfellows that they may be – Judy, Tenet and Rice – but each with a common interest to avoid responsibility.
Elliott @ 68
oh thank you, I’m looking forward to reading it.later.
The comments section of articles written by Miller, Broder etc. are the only part I read. If you haven’t done so you’re missing great snark, high humor, and wonderful smackdowns!
Judith Miller? Not this Judith Miller:
My bold.
scarecrow @ 74
and don’t stop until you get to the Sargasso Sea
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
Bell memo (pdf).
scarecrow @ 74
oh goodie. So that way if Rudy bows out we won’t be without another megalomaniacal sleazebag blowhard on the right hand side.
Ah…
Nice bits:
“Leak a story, quote the story”
“Circular Self-Affirming Leak”
And Russert, of course, “I’m just a Joe Schmoe blue collar guy. I don’t ask critical questions unless I got someone backing me up” (para)…
I’ll blame Miller and Cheney and Russert for 51% of the Grand Allusion perpetuated on America. But I’ll throw alittle my way and yours, too. Who wasn’t just absolutely ENTHRALLED when Tony Blair got his panties in a wad and wanted to push the big button? Boy I sure did.
like it or not, ms. miller has come to recognize that she is the universal punch line for msm enabling of the bush regime.
she has always been fine with that, imo. it’s just that, yknow, these days it’s seen as a negative.
oddmommy @ 80
We were in no danger of running out. When Chris Matthews at the debate asked how many did not qualify, none raised his hand, although 2 did not know what he meant and one needed to go to the bathroom.
I didn’t read Miller’s book review, but I did post to the comments.
I asked her if rather than critiqueing Tenet, she’d like to talk with someone like Patrick Fitzgerald about the 2001 Anthra# letters.
Not only did she not reply, The Sun censored me, entirely.
Why do you think that happened?
The last two from Fletcher’s WaPo chat:
OpEds? Please.
JEP @ 46
Tell us what they are saying, please!
ew — re your post at TNH, it’s not clear to me why Monica’s direction to destroy docs wasn’t possible obstruction; if the issue had to do with misleading Congress over possible rationales for the firings, then wasn’t her e-mail evidence of the DoJ conspiring to get its story straight in case any of the recipients of the prior stories was called to testify and/or had it’s e-mails requested?
Waccamaw @ 73
Waccamaw; How’s things “down there” on the Waccamaw”
As yet, Can’t find any reference to a re-broadcast, but I sure wish I was taping this, there’s some serious commentary being presented…
oddmommy @ 80
You were worried about a shortage?
These whislteblowers are the front line in fighting “the big lie” but their ability to blow their whistles when they see transgressions has been overwhelmed under the current administration…
Back live… right now, allegations of abuse of scientific information by Bush Admnistration, Mark Cohen up right now.
STTP in Ohio @ 76
The comments section of articles written by Miller, Broder etc. are the only part I read. If you haven’t done so you’re missing great snark, high humor, and wonderful smackdowns!
I’m finding that out! definitely worth reading
Shorter FBI whistleblowers [Rowley, German]—
They came forward to report the truth and were treated in a shabby way, while the truth was hidden.
Many more people would like to come forward with the truth but fear having their careers ruined.
FBI employees don’t have strong whistleblower protection. They love Senator Grassley for doing the hard work to protect the agency.
[end of synopsis]
Medical and scientific whistleblowers live on cspan 3 now. I guess it’s a whole festival of truth telling.
Susan Wood, Geoffry Weigand coming up now, about money and politics and ideology and theology trump evidence and professionalism
o/t
hey Ms. Emptywheel !
have you seen this potential doozy yet ?!?!
DOJ using outdated law in pursuit of criminal complaints against Dems for campaign reimbursement – and it looks like they’re using NSL’s to do it
didn’t see any updates over there yet – couple of Fed judges are supposed to weigh in
HuffPo
p.s. HuffPo front page has poll showing Bloomberg beating the crap out of Rudy
scarecrow @ 87
Intent. I do believe she directed them to destroy documents bc she was trying to do version control. So the action COULD be obstruction but you’d have to prove she did it with teh intent to hide information in those documents.
Mutant Poodle @ 89
well, I regard myself as sort of a conneisseur….just like to ensure that each specific subgenre of species Right Wing Freak Parade is properly represented.
JEP @ 88
prolly overnight on CSPAN1 after the House retires for the night.
Francesca Grifo defining how science can be interfered with, for political reasons, before it gets to the discussion stage… “behind the scenes changing”. non-partisan, bi=partisan issue when science is interfered with
“maniupulation of scientific advice”
she refers to the website (Union of Concerned Scientists)
699 scientists in fed agencies fear retaliation for telling “the truth”.
“editing and softening of findings”
“politicizing and degrading our integrity” from a NASA scientist… 435 instances of political interferences in climate agencies
Oddmommy@96
“Right Wing Freak Parade”
you folks are killin’ me today!
emptywheel, that was just beautiful …. when I read that piece the other day, I kept thinking she is talking about herself, how weird is that … does she even know
your cspan moment was so fresh and real … thank you … and I loved the background info on the reporters
the interesting part for me was thinking about how Joe Wilson’s oped was seen by others and did people wonder if he was cia and what did they do to find out
scarecrow @ 87
I remember when this was brought out, I immediately thought why isn’t it possible she (Monica Goodling) was simply having them delete the ‘old form’ so as to not confuse.
I work in medicine and we get updates or modifications on things relating to confidential matters or routine crap. Why is it necessary everything be suspect?
oddmommy @ 96
It’s this very concern for the rights of all Right Wing Freaks that made this country great.
vast majority of scientists no longer have faith in govt, and fear agency retaliations..
(gotta go, anyone else want to report)
ooh boy, I loves me some hippies !
btw -
have been too busy trying to follow threads and talk to congresscritters to follow CSpan – is Sibel Edmonds there ? has her plight been acknowledged ?
JEP @ 46
Just checking in on the lunch hour.
EW, great post as usual, and really enjoyed watching you on C-Span on Saturday.
I haven’t seen so much intelligence in one hour of TV in … like … ever!
I think when the FBI whistleblowers and whistleblowers from the CIA, NSA & Military Intelligence appear before Congress, we will see that Tenet and all U.S. intelligence agency heads were used to further the Neocon agenda.
Skewering him also furthers the Neocon agenda to make him the fall guy for Iraq.
Here is the chart that Francesca Grifo referred to. It’s excellent …if chilling.
A to Z Guide to Political Interference in Science
can we put all these Decepticons on trial already? the charges: the death of 3000 US troops, to start…
Wordsmith @ 106
Because sadly, anytime something happens with this administration that is the slightest bit suspicious, the person who assigns to it the most malevolent motive is invariably correct.
It’s best with this group to take the “over” on criminality and obstruction of justice. If, that is, you’re putting down bets.
Jane (nyc) @ 111
OoooO – and using the chemical elements chart as a prototype. That chart is informative as hell.
Tony Blair:
“I find it hard to believe Saddam just simply gave up his wmd” (paraphrased with a resounding roar from Parliament)
Ah evidence schmevidence…we don’t need no freakin’ evidence!
Well done JEP!
Sorry that you have to run. We are looking for volunteers to report back on what’s happening at c-span 3 whistleblower hearings, live now.
Just a few phrases or summary, anything, that will help.
Jane (nyc) @ 111
that’s clever!
LandSurveyor @ 115
Sadly, and this is not a snark, it looks as though Tony simply had faith that wmd existed, because he knew Saddam was such a bad man. Faith and evidence are unfortunately bad bedfellows.
JEP @ 102
It’s sh*t like this that makes this bunch so unbelievable; before they came along, you couldn’t put this wide ranging Hatch Act be damned ideology and stealing is everything stuff in a book and get it published; you’d be laughed out of the room.
Yet here it is, in live and living color, everyday bringing a new revelation of crookery that’s so over the top you can hardly believe it.
Jane (nyc) @ 111
Great link. Thanks!
Brisingamen @ 35
What I don’t understand is why we leave our equipment over there when we pull out. I mean, all of the National Guard equipment will stay in Iraq. You just can’t tell me that it is cheaper to leave it??
up now
Dr Susan Wood research professor at GW school of public health, work focused on scientifc policy
emergency contraception
Momma! Where’s that testimony coach?!
But Sweetie…She’s been waiting in the front room for over two hours!
Oh, Nevermind!…She?! Who? Who’s she?
Why, I have her card right here…it says “Karly Rofski/Professional Testimony Coach.”
Now, off to start the day. Later, pups.
Watching/listening to Greg Palast interviewing David Iglesias on Democracy Now, is forcing me to ask the question:
If Judith Miller represents the endtimes of her journalistic paradigm, of a so-called journalist using her newsroom office’s power to sustain a palpably propagandistic government narrative over a remarkably long period of time, is Palast’s self-promoting narrative of expose noire an effective replacement? Watching Palast’s introductory section to his video segment on DN, I can’t help but think of Guy Noire on Prairie Home Companion. At least Palast manages to interview Iglesias in a way that makes them both sound upbeat, yet outraged.
Amy Goodman’s interview of Palast, which follows the “promo,” is quite good, though.
speaking out on using scientific evidence in health policy
Susan
Critically important topic,
want to strengthen our sciences. we need a concerted effort to strengthen our agentcy. I did not to any whistleblowing, not sure if I qualify. but rather I just stepped down instead of being involved
Elliott @ 31
it’s the only way (that or realllly long lunches)
I suspect that the world will soon forget that Tenet was a Clinton appointee along with Louis Freeh and Sandy Berger, not the A team for national security to say the least. No one, to my knowledge, has asked Hillary Clinton how she could have relied upon anything having to do with Tenet, including the NIE, when she voted for the Iraq War. She was close to another of Tenet’s screw ups when the US bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. Tenet’s excuse for that one was that the CIA used an out of date tourist map in its data base.
Elliott @ 70
she urned that title…
Brisingamen @ 35
even if they aren’t in there, DOD will be flush with $ again. puts off the need for an emergency supp for a while.
should have been a routine approval, to over the counter as is does with other drugs.
We kept having to delay approval year after year, objections got weaker as science proved it safe.
irrational rationale to hold it up.
Wordsmith @ 106
Because a lot of us work in organizations or industries where version control is a standard fact of life that does NOT require deleting of old versions of documents.
scarecrow @ 74
PULEEZE! My ulcer! YEOUCH!
leftdcin72 @ 128
Freeh and Tenet were largely forced on Clinton because they were confirmable by the Rethugs in congress at the time.
Almost laughed when I read the premise of the post-Judy Miller criticizing anybody for anything pertaining to the marketing of the Iraq War? Surely, this must be a parody…Any one who listened to Colin Powell early in 2001 knew Hussein had been contained. Anyone who had heard Scott Ritter knew there was reason to suspect the Administration was lying, and anyone who was paying attention was aware of Ritter. But no, instead we get the self-justifications of yet another court stenographer(the Nazis at Nuremburg were all mere postmen, and our press are all mere stenographers). The very fact that Miller would say something like this in a public forum should finish her forever:
“my job isn’t to assess the government’s information and be an independent intelligence analyst myself. My job is to tell readers of The New York Times what the government thought about Iraq’s arsenal.”
No, Ms. Miller, that’s the job of a PR flack, not a reporter. Now please get out of our sight.
Thinking about ‘ole “Kneepads” Miller reminded me of the verse from Don Henley’s “Garden of Allah” and I quote:
Today I made an appearance downtown
I am an expert witness because I say I am
And I said gentlemen, and I use that world loosely
I will testify for you, Im a gun for hire,Im a saint, Im a liar
Because there are no facts, there is no truth
Just data to be manipulated
I can get you any result you like
Whats it worth to you?
Because there is no wrong, there is no right
And I sleep very well at night
No shame, no solution, no remorse, no retribution
Just people selling t-shirts
Just opportunity to participate in the pathetic little circus
And winning, winning, winning
Jim Comey is testifying tomorrow at SJC? That news to anyone else?
dakine01 @ 132
But it’s pretty easy to tell they weren’t using such methods of version control. Take a look at their Feb 23 response to Schumer et al and you see that they had to keep resending (three times) the “final version” to WH to get their input.
THis is the same DOJ that resisted having one information sharing system implemented system wide, remember.
TiredFed @ 137
News to me. Are you sure?
TiredFed @ 137
Bestill my–are you serious? Finally, tehy’ll ask teh follow-up HJC didn’t do. Like, “So Mr. Comey, care to tell us–besides the old, “5 kids to put through college” why you left in August 2005?
emptywheel @ 138
Left hand please meet right hand. Oh? You were doing the same thing but not? Never mind. [/snark]
TiredFed @ 137
news to me, news to use
Tuesday, May 15, 2007
Dirksen Senate Office Building Room 226
10:00 a.m.
James B. Comey
Former Deputy Attorney General
United States Department of Justice
ccmask @ 121
SOP — they’ve done this with almost every other military action (remember the jokes on MASH about the guy mailing home a jeep one piece at a time? I had great-uncles that served in Korea that swore it happened).
It costs more to ship the stuff back and then when you add in the repair costs, it’s actually cheaper to buy new. And the Guard’s equipment is often hand-me-downs from other branches of the services. This is part of the reason the armor on some vehicles was not adequate for the troops protection.
TiredFed @ 137
Where’d you read/hear that?
New thread upstairs from Siun—
Introducting Lew Koch
dakine01 @ 134
Freeh considered his job getting the goods on Clinton, so he’s one to blame for 911
Elliott @ 142
Public or behind closed doors?
emptywheel @ 140
see Pat Leahy’s SJC site (heck, by the time I link this you will already be there and SJC Hearing back a few times)
OT, but dakine01 #134, could you help me with this-I remember hearing that the Chinese Embassy was functioning as a broadcast station for the Serbs, had refused to shut them down, and was subsequently bombed, with the faulty-map story as the public cover. Sound familiar? Seems a hell of a lot more plausible than the faulty-map story.
sure hope they’re gonna use some of our followup questions. I sent Sen Leahy a very long list.
RonD @ 149
No one ever said that the public excuses had to be plausible. I think I may have read the same about the Chinese and that would not surprise as the true reason but as is often the way, there’s the public reason and the reason they can’t publicize cuz it would cause whichever country to lose face.
Not that I wear a tin-foil hat or anything.
emptywheel @ 140
Marcy – I’m working on a set of questions for Monica. Is it ok if I ask for input over on TNH at the last post you wrote on her?
Now, uh, Karly, before you can be my testimony coach, I have to ask you a few questions, k?
Go right ahead, Miss Monica.
Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior?
Well, uh, in these latter days, Yes.
Good! I can tell you’re a top performer already! Now, are you a member of the Federalist Society?
I don’t leave home without it!
Outstanding! You might have a future with the DoJ! Have you ever cheated on your husband?
Of course not! That would be soooo wrong – like un-draped pornographic sculptures in public buildings!
Karly, I’m liking you! For walkin’ in the spirit like that, you’re going on my ‘good’ people’s list!…
Biodun @ 58
TiredFed @ 137
That’s news to me. Is it public or behind closed doors? The SJC seems more expert at formulating questions, and maybe Sen. Whitehouse can dig in.
I sense Comey WANTS to spill the beans.
TiredFed @ 152
ABsolutely.
My guess on why Comey left DOJ: here was an honorable man who repeatedly witnessed dishonorable things (NSA Domestic Spying, Plame, torture, etc.) He did what he could do about it (I believe he got Ashcroft to recuse himself on Plame and we know he forced Abu and Card to visit Ashcroft in the hospital on NSA Domestic Spying), including the masterful appointment of Patrick Fitzgerald, and then left. My sense is that he feels he could have done more (I’m guessing that’s the real reason for his tired appearance and emotional reactions). I think he did what he could. I’m grateful for all such public servants who work for us like Jim Comey did. They used to be the norm.
With this in mind, there are a few follow-up questions I would like Congress to ask Jim Comey:
1. Given your experience with the Department and what you know now, do you believe the “Kyle Sampson” process used to fire U.S. Attorneys (including Black in Guam) was a good one?
2. What would be the expected impacts on staff morale, recruitment, and the Department’s reputation for independence of such a process?
3. What would be the expected impacts on prosecutions (notably politically sensitive ones) of such a process?
4. Why is the longstanding policy of the independence of U.S. Attorneys so important?
5. Why must U.S. Attorneys be seen as nonpolitical (or at least neutral)?
6. What was the substance of your conversation with Kyle Sampson earlier this year?
7. Were you aware of the plan to change the language in the Patriot Act to permit the Attorney General to appoint interim U.S. Attorneys for the term of Congress without Senate confirmation? If so, did you advise against it?
8. Were you aware of the plan to delegate the authority for hiring and firing of Schedule C and other non-civil service positions in the Department?
9. Have you ever heard of another instance of a “secret” delegation of authority?
10. Are you aware of a delegation of authority from the President to any other official to remove U.S. Attorneys?
11. Why did you resign from the Department?
12. Were you asked to resign? If so, by whom?
13. Would you have preferred to stay at the Department as Deputy Attorney General? If not, why not?
14. Were you recruited by Lockheed Martin or did someone recommend you for the job? If so, by whom?
15. What substantive disagreements did you have with AG Ashcroft and AG Gonzales?
16. Were you ever asked by the AG or any other government official to do anything that you considered to be illegal, unethical or would violate the principle of political neutrality of the Department?
17. Is there anything you wish you had been able to do or say while you were Deputy Attorney General but were unable to do so while in office?
In my past life, working on the creation of important policy documents or documents of substance and importance, we never deleted a previous draft. We would create a new version of the old one and name it draft 1, 2, 3, etc., because sometimes you need to go back to refer to language previously used in an earlier draft. The final document would be named “Final”. Goodling’s direction to delete was interesting, and unusual, but it is possible that she was trying to make sure that earlier versions were not “accidentally” used as a final (which is what raises the eyebrows), however, I think there must be something else, much bigger, in order for her to feel the need to claim the 5th. JMHO
I still want to know if, for example, Goodling and Sampson, might have fabricated the “authorization” either after the fact, with or without Gonzo’s knowledge; or at the actual time, using his signature stamp (autopen). That would be a crime. The questions of Gonzo the other day sort of skirted that issue.
hwmnbn @ 155
my guess is Senator Leahy wants it all in the sunshine. sounds like mustseetv to me. anyone got any more questions we would like to see asked?
dakine01 @ 132
In what I do, we delete ‘old versions of documents.’ It doesn’t mean they’re lost forever or that the old versions are not available or recoverable.
Besides the fact that my question was essentially rhetorical. I know this administration and just as suspicious of any and every freakin’ thing they do.
dakine01 @ 134
“largely forced” is an unusual and seemingly unfathomable expression. I believe Hillary Clinton knew Tenet was a flake when she made up the “if I knew then what I know now, I would not have voted for the war..” (I may not have the exact words but I have the meaning) Hillary Clinton not only claimed to “rely” on Tenet she extolled him. Just part of her continuing expediency and fraud
Please do let the Clintons off on Tenet and Berger. If you claim Freeh was “largely forced” on the Clintons, you would, I hope, also suggest that the Clintons could have done better than Freeh.
Hugh @ 36
Ironically, the full answer to 2 is “Wilson”.
Yeah, well, I was proved fucking right. A dog groomer in rural PA knew there were no WMD, knew attacking Iraq was illegal and immoral, knew bushcheney and eveyone in their grotesque administration was lying, and knew the supposed newspapers are propaganda machines. All of which can be made present tense.
Nobody reads newspapers anymore, do they?
And I just have to say, Judy, you lying bitch.
Thanks Firedoglake for giving me the space:) I’ll stop before I get started on Tenet.
Take care, Jan
TiredFed @ 160
Did you know you were authorized to fire US Attorneys?
Who authorized it?
Do you have documentation of that?
Did you speak to anyone at the WH about the US Attorneys?
Whom?
Did you take direction from them?
What directions did they give you?
Were you ever told you were to take direction from them?
Specifically when and what were you told to do?
Did Kyle Sampson ever tell you who to put on the list (of USAs to fire)?
From whom did you or Mr. Sampson receive the USA names which ended up on the list?
Did you or Kyle Sampson officially fire the USAs?
Did you think it odd that he or you should be in the position to fire USAs?