•Henry Kissinger is underneath all these troubles, as usual.

His student Jerry Bremer is just as guilty.

These ‘astute egoists’ wash themselves in blood, for corporate war profits.

I think you need to distinguish between No Fly Zone bombing and the two bombing campaigns using Cruise missiles which Clinton ordered.

The inspectors were removed before Desert Fox, which destroyed the Al Qaqaa high-explosives factory, a major accomplishment, along with degrading other targets. The other Cruise missile attack on Iraq occured a few months after Clinton took office.

June 27, 1993
US President Bill Clinton orders a cruise missile attack on Iraqi intelligence headquarters in the Al-Mansur district, Baghdad, in response to the attempted assassination of former U.S. President George Bush in Kuwait in mid-April.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I….._1990-1996

The sanctions regime cannot be laid solely on Clinton’s doorstep. And while the civilian toll was extreme, the disarming of Hussein was a noble purpose — though it may mask a two decade-long effort to set up for a Bushco invasion. I’m unaware of any evidence that Clinton was complicit in such a long-term invasion plan.

Bush’s invasion released “tens of thousands of tons” of high-explosives and artillery shells — which is the source of the IEDs — to hostiles, due to gross underdeployment, and the total failure to write orders for that guarding.

Peter Galbraith, in his “The End of Iraq,” gives a longer list of the security services dissolved by CPA Order #2: “It dissolved Iraq’s army, its air force, its navy, its secret police, its intelligence services, the Republican Guards, the Ba’ath Party militia, and the Ministry of Defense. (p. 119)

“Cobra II” supplies the tidbit that CPA decided to call the new Iraqi force they would build the NIK, which sounds like the word for ‘f*ck’ in Arabic.

Bremer and his fellow warcriminals must have had a big laugh about that one, though Cobra II pretends this was a coincidence that showed how little the West understood those inscrutables now ‘in their charge.’ Even the bad speakers of a language commonly know such words — indeed, there is every reason to expectd that Nik was one of the words used most often by U.S. males deployed to what Kissinger briefed to the Saudi princes in early 2004 as “Former-Iraq.”

Bremer’s not interested in serving as the

Reichstag Fire scapegoat for the misery.

He sure deserves some shit for his pillow, but hammering on him for these “tactical” fuckups, and NOT pointing out that NO policy would have brought an apple-pie ending for the invasion and attempted occupation of Iraq, is parroting the bushCo “it’s all his fault!” line.

Very soon, there is going to be a TON of fingerpointing among republicans.

For the coming 18 months in the GOP, throwing people under the bus is going to be worthy of consideration as a new sport for the next Olympics. :o)

But it’s going to degenerate into Greco-Roman-cum-Grayhound wrasslin’, with every man (and woman…are you listening, Condi? :o) ) for themselves.

I make no apologies whatsoever, for looking forward to it. :o)

Well well, back from the depths of backyard BIG tonka toys for boys, digs for treasure and all that banjo magic!! My friend, Tanbark!

Tan likes to dig for treasure, and he’s also a Black Water Diver. This dude’s a former Marine of GREAT standing, and man of great heart for history. One of the most fascinating folks I’ve ‘met’ in years . . . . :grin:

My only disagreement with much he’s ever posted anywhere is that, what ever the Rethugs and NeoCon’s are, so is the rest of our country and it’s ownership. So getting rid of The ReThugs is really not ridding ourselves of the pure evil and horror that’s wasted our place in history as the country that had the potential but, chose NOT to change the world for the better, only for themselves.

Other n that, Tan’s a HOSS of Hosses! :GRIN:

I’m certainly gonna enjoy the bus throwing unders’ but, it will be tepmered by the fact that the Dem’s get the same PAC money as the Evil One’s Do. And all that money comes from our Big Brother.

What fresh air? They’re all bought and paid for by A*P*C and the other PAC’s. It’s all Wall Street and MIC money. If they were truly on their own and free to pursue, there’d be folks hanging from gallows at this point!

Nah, just an illusion we fall for . . . that there are two party’s.

It would be a huge mistake to think the necons are beaten. And no matter who wins in ‘08, their ideology will still be very much alive. And these guys will be even stronger than they are now.

They have morphed from the White and Black Russians, thru the Labor Movement of the 20’s, to McCarthyism and Anti Communism to Christian Fundie’s. And they are morphing now, into what ever they need to, to glom onto the next ‘wave of power’ . . . that Big Brother continues to tolerate them causes me pause for concern, for they are not proving to be effective to Big Bro’s Causes . . . they must have some value and influence over the Big Bro Schema I’m missing . . . .

would we have believed 5 years ago that a government would come into power to line their own pockets and do nothing at all for the people of this country?
would we believe anyone so callous that they would actively destroy everything that we, the people, had fought for, come to know, come to expect, and base our lives on?

it is time to remove them to prison. It is time to pass laws holding our representatives to a much higher level than anyone else. Why? because then only people that don’t want to steal will ask for the job and the current crop will wither. some will remain, but not many.

Old Tree My Dearest Ent, the system is corrupted from top to bottom, WE are the problem. The nation is the problem.

We The People can’t fix this system by holding ANYONE to higher levels of standards. The elections are rigged, the system’s rigged.

We are the end product of a mass production/capitalistic and mass consumer experiment gone all self serving wrong.

How do you stop it? Ya don’t, mama nature and the pendulum’s of time will swing to stop it all . . . maybe in our lifetime, maybe not. Maybe it gets worse for another generation, then it comes crashing down.

I suggest making peace with what you can live with in terms of personal honor, and getting on with what ever we have of our lives we enjoy and can deal with. The rest is out of our hands.

i am absolutely in agreement with you on this. the point was chaos — chaos was the GOAL. because chaos enables the continued martial state.

the crooks and punks in the bush administration know that all they have to do is put up with the label of incompetence — why should that bother them as long as they hold on to the reins of power?

Badda boom, badda bing. Yer all over it.

Chaos is their main tool and that’s how they have manipulated this game since 1984 (or earlier).

Typical guerrilla tactics, which is kinda ironic (but they learnt he lessons well from both Goebbels and the guerrilla movements thruout history).

Create chaos, divide, conquer where possible, create false illusions, condemn and codify as THREAT any who don’t go along with it all and stifle dissent with quick and swift accusation.

All this band of ReThugs wants out of Iraq is the PSA’s.
All they want out of our Republic here at home is extended rule beyond an elected Presidency, and Supreme Executive Privilages, which they are WELL on their way to having.

And the Dem’s are part of it all, lock on the public, stocks on the market and barrels of oilfilled profits.

Barring some HUGE unforseen divine intervention on the part of the general public (street marches) we have lost our Republic and are likely NOT to ever see it again.

Polish up on the New Testament and get thee HIE into a local congragation (one that does NOT sanction gay marriages much less gay relationships and preferably, one that’s lily white), fly the flag on yer car, stock up on Support The Troops Ribbons for yer car, and tell everyone at work and in yer neighborhood how proud you are of your country and what an HONOR it is to live here oh those poor souls in 3rd World Countries, when will they ever get a break what a shame they won’t stand up for themselves.

Anyone got a way OUT of this? Given BOTH sides of the aisle are part and parcel of the same fuckery? Given the leading edge of this battle for empire is part and parcel of every fabric of our daily lives, and our system of governence from top to bottom?

I got nuttin.