We’re hearing a lot from the military these days regarding Iraq. None of it will please the President. Earlier, General Petraeus reminded our troops that when dealing with Iraqis, we had to obey the Geneva Conventions, not the President’s and Vice President’s views on torture. Yesterday, the NYT highlighted former General John Batiste, who (along with General Paul Eaton– see new VoteVet video) retired early to speak out against the President’s handling of the Iraq occupation and called the President to task in this video for VoteVets.
“Mr. President, you did not listen,” General Batiste says in new television advertisements being broadcast in Republican Congressional districts as part of a $500,000 campaign financed by VoteVets.org. “You continue to pursue a failed strategy that is breaking our great Army and Marine Corps. I left the Army in protest in order to speak out. Mr. President, you have placed our nation in peril. Our only hope is that Congress will act now to protect our fighting men and women.”
Batiste describes the frustration he felt while commanding troops in Iraq:
“There was never enough. There was never a reserve,” he said. “Again and again, we had to move troops by as many as 200 miles out of our area of operations to support another sector. We would pull troops out of contact with the enemy and move them into contact with the enemy somewhere else. The minute we’d leave, the insurgents would pick up on that, and kill everybody who had been friendly.”
“In the Army, you communicate up the chain of command, and I communicated vehemently with my senior commanders while I was in Iraq,” he said. Of his departure from the Army, he said: “It was the toughest decision of my life. I paced my quarters for days. I didn’t sleep for nights. But I was not willing to compromise my principles for one more minute.”
Batiste’s frustrations in being asked to do too much with too little were echoed by General Mixon, now head of US forces in Diyala province:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. commander in northern Iraq said Friday he doesn’t have enough troops for the mission in increasingly violent Diyala province. . . . “I do not have enough soldiers right now in Diyala province to get that security situation moving,” Mixon said. “We have plans to put additional forces in that region.”
He declined to give details but said Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 commander in Iraq, is planning to send more forces.
Earlier, General Odierno told reporters that he’d need until next spring to determine whether the escalation was working. But since that seemed to contradict General Petraeus’ promise to provide an assessment in September, and went too far for Secretary Gates, Odierno quickly claimed he was misquoted.
This weekend, the Atlanta Journal’s Cynthia Tucker hinted at the reason for Gate’s reticence to allow his Generals to wait until Spring. Noting the criticisms from retired generals, Tucker predicted we’ll also be hearing from active military leaders too. (From Think Progress)
CYNTHIA TUCKER, ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION:
“Look for a revolt from active-duty generals if September rolls around and the president is sticking with the surge into ‘08. We’ve already heard from retired generals. But my Atlanta Journal-Constitution colleague Jay Bookman has lots of sources among currently serving military officers who don’t want to fall by the wayside like the generals in Vietnam did, kept pushing a war that they knew was lost.”
It’s easy to be skeptical that Bush, Cheney, and the Republicans will take any September reassessment seriously, but each day there are more indications that senior military officers will force the President and his dwindling supporters to pay attention. And that assumes the Iraqis haven’t asked us to leave or at least set a withdrawal timetable before then.
John McCain tried to argue to Tim Russert (h/t to Crooks and Liars) that what the Iraqis want doesn’t matter. And for McCain, their views don’t matter, since he assumes he knows what’s good for the Iraqi and American publics better than they do. But will he say that to the Generals in the Pentagon? We’ll see. If by September, American casualties are still running high, the American and Iraqi legislatures have voted to end the occupation, and the Generals agree, the only people left to help McCain’s son and the British heir continue the US occupation of Iraq will be the children of Georgy Bush, Dick Cheney, Joe Lieberman, and Mitt Romney. That should settle the matter fairly quickly.
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Good morning, pups! Happy news – this temp is hired full time!
Day-uhm. Getting lucky on the drive-by.
Salary not much better but got bennies!
Yay Kathryn!!
Good morning, Scarecrow. Hope you are well today.
Morning, dakine
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs -
congrats Kathryn !
U.S. Out Of
SoutheastMiddle East Asia NOW!and on to read Scarecrow’s post
Kathryn in MA @ 2
Good On Ya Kathryn. Having been unemployed meownself while living in MA at one time, it ain’t an easy place to survive…
Speaking of this, just last week yet ANOTHER KAGAN pronouncement rang out on the success of “the Surge” in Diyala province.
Five days later, a U.S. General says EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!
Good morning.
I’m having a hard time understanding the September deadline, both for Republicans and apparently active-duty military command.
It’s easier to figure out the crassly political motivations of the former, but why the latter?
Yesterday on a thread, someone posted that maybe we were going to have a “Seven Days In September” moment. Then wondered if anyone else understood the reference.
My reply was that it’s quite scary to think that having a coup by the Generals might be a GOOD thing.
tommy yum @ 10
When September was posited as a check point, it was six months before then, i.e., the FINAL Friedman unit.
fyi – three hearings this week that look interesting:
see the links for the complete listings (senate and house)
Tuesday, May 15, 2007
10 am
Senate Judiciary Committee:
To hold hearings to examine the Department of Justice politicizing the hiring and firing of United States Attorneys, focusing on preserving prosecutorial independence. Senator Schumer will preside.
2:30 pm
Senate Intelligence Committee:
To hold hearings to examine the nomination of John A. Rizzo, of the District of Columbia, to be General Counsel of the Central Intelligence Agency
Wednesday, May 16, 2007
1:00 pm
Judiciary Committee Task Force on Antitrust
Hearing on “Prices at the Pump: Market Failure and the Oil Industry”
……
i think the senate intelligence committee hearing may be the most important one to watch. if the comittee is doing it’s job Rizzo will be questioned very closely on his knowledge and responsibility on the creation and current status of our programs of rendition, torture and investigating journalists who report on these issues.
for background, here’s dana priest’s 2005 reporting:
Not fair to put the british royalty in the meele, they got the balls to go while the rest don’t.
Have to dash off for a long meeting but wanted to compliment you on a nice catch Scarecrow.
If Cyntia Tucker is right then things are really out of whack.
Military make it a point not to talk policy and the Hatch Act is enforced strictly within the military.
These guys must be at the absolute end of the rope
I say, if Bush wants until Sept – instead of July, like the Dems are saying now – why not compromise and let him have it. Then he’ll have no excuses and we can get out of there. The Republicans will all agree that it’s time to get out, because three extra months of alienating their voters will have damaged them to no end.
I know Iraq isn’t going to get any better. The Iraqi Parliament isn’t even going to be working through July and August. I feel bad that all those people will have to die to appease Bush’s surge, which isn’t a plan at all, but at least there will be a beginning to the end of the war – which Rumsfeld said was happening a few years ago.
No one knows how to measure progress in this war, so why don’t we define progress as “when our troops start coming home.”
dakine01 @ 11
Really! I temped at an army recruiting office (they were honorable about rejecting druggies, etc) and i said to them that i trusted in the fact they swore to uphold the Constitution that they wouldn’t let this pResident institute martial law. in fact, the major was retiring because of the ‘command environment.’
Is Goodling going to testify at that Senate hearing? I thought she was going to testify for the House, but maybe I’m just mixed up. Is there a date set for her yet?
Hey lhp—
Last spring I asked a friend in the military how important it was that there were 6 generals speaking out about the war.
Answer: HUGE, absolutely unprecedented. And that was a year ago, they’ve only seen the situation slide downward since then.
it’s unprecedented what is happening with the military leadership. i highly recommend you read this paper prepared a few years ago — and how friggin prescient it is:
The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/u…..dunlap.htm
scarecrow – what a sad statement this is… that all of our democratic institutions are unwilling or unable to actually do their job (and i include myself in this).
Georgesimian @ 18
i don’t know who’s testifying on tuesday – there are no witnesses listed (yet)…
selise—
Thanks for bringing us info about upcoming hearings. This is most helpful.
For some time now, the BushCo endgame has been to dump this tragedy into the lap of the next administration,
be it Democratic or Republican, so George and Dick can march off to their respective libraries and say that
somebody else lost the war.
If they have to fire a few generals along the way, they can take the heat.
Never standing for election again has certain advantages.
Kathryn in MA @ 2
Yes! I know that feeling well. Congratulations!
Kathryn in MA @ 2
very good news!
Good morning everyone. Congrats to Kathryn, who along with Selise spent her Saturday helping RevDeb pack up fragile thingies. I just carried the boxes. We were rewarded with a fine dinner.
dakine01 @ 11
Good mormin’ folks -
Yep. I saw that. I was ruminating like that back around mid-Jan. w/surge announcement and bad vibes about Iran…btw, Jan. 10 speech had Patrriots shipping to the region; ayone know exactly who/where/why? they’re ending up?
Also, along the same line of 7Daze…watch for the Joint Chiefs picks for the baseball playoffs. THAT would really be trouble…
[REALLY ‘out there’ fact, the NYT had a full page ad for that movie on Nov 22, 1963. Was that an AM or PM paper back then? The back of a section. I’ve wondered if that was a signal…I know, X-Files…]
Also, as an aside, NPR’s report this AM from Iraq addressing ‘ANY political movement?’ had a 3 second deadair drop out before: “In a word: NO” and details of oil non-agreement. Host covered afterward with ‘cell-phone drop out’…but as I’ve seen noted exactly the same here before, the line was crystal clear for about other entire 5 minutes of interview. Something/someone is doing something behind the scenes.
—–
…and congrats to Kathryn in MA!
Don’t hold your breath waiting for a generals revolt. They’re all too worried about their cushy post-retirement jobs at military contractors. And the few who do stand up will be dismissed, others who support W will be trotted out.
Selise at 13: nice work on Rizzo. Thanks for the updates.
Tommy Yum — lots of generals telling Murtha that the Army is breaking; they’ve had enough.
[And best wishes to the little guy.]
egregious @ 19
eg -
Does this military friend have political leanings in one direction or the other and would that have any impact on his/her reaction? It would be nice to think that the WH idiot will (in future) cause some change of heart as to the political party many in the forces chose to support.
egregious @ 5
Same to you.
I AM HARRY!
another breakfast slam for ya Scarecrow -
((((tommy yum and family)))
tommy, as one who has been vexed by the question of active duty silence – I suggest you read Night of the Generals – Vanity Fair – no, it’s not as if one of them openly explains it, or says anything that makes it all okay, but you’ll come away with a greater understanding of brass ethos -
again, it could easily be a Friedman Unit gambit and Atrios among others says I’m a fool but I think it has nothing to do with operational realities – it’s the same as the Baker Hamilton flim flam – it is political cover for Rep. congresscritters and Petraeus was laying down a marker for the active brass
At doctors office, I picked up a People magazine. Noticed a particularly smarmy PR piece on Prince Harry (is that his name?) going to Iraq with captions/leaders like (paraphrase): He’s going to boost morale take charge, blah blah. I wonder how much money it will take to make sure that the Prince will not be a casualty.
tommy yum @ 10
My guess is that the generals are seizing on the September date because Petraeus promised a progress assessment and congressional Republicans are talking about doing something by then. I’ve been suspicious all along that the Goopers (and especially the Bushies) intended to take their statements about the next Friedman unit and say “okay, we said everyone had to wait until we could see if the ‘new plan’ was working; since it didn’t, here’s another new plan, now you have to wait and see if it works again.”
I think the generals are trying to use that to box them in and make sure they don’t weasel through the September “reassessment” like they have with all the other Friedman units. At least that’s what I hope.
tommy yum @ 10
They’re broken & want out. And who can blame them, after being the proverbial fish in the barrel for at least the last 2 years.
Wacc—people in the military are pretty uniformly conservative. Pun intended.
allan_in_upstate @ 24
here’s my current hypothesis – i think the administration (and by extenstion both houses of congress) are between a rock and a hard place. our buds the ruling saudis would be very pissed at us if we leave iraq to (mostly) the iranians – we’ve made that part of the world far more dangerous for them (they could end up like the shah of iran). bushies don’t mind pissing of both friends and not-friends… but in this case, the saudis control a very big oil spigot… and tanking our economy (and it won’t be just ours) is well within their ability.
so what do to?
play kick the can… and sad to say, i’m afraid that the dems are getting caught up in this too. damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.
when there is no decent choice – i’m afraid it’s human nature.
bad enough just being in Iraq, but every soldier currently there is there knowing their life is at extreme risk for a liar’s cause.
.
Excellent Post!
My image for what’s happening now – with shifting forces from here to there etc is MUSICAL CHAIRS!
Yes, the army is reduced to playing “musical chairs” with the troops.
And we all know how that ends.
It’s a relief that some generals are speaking up and that some are refusing to continue feeding their troops–the mostly young people for whom they are responsible–into the meat grinder. More of them need to resist and to speak up.
What troubles me is the basis for most of their objections–that if they just had more troops and more and better equipment, they could continue the occupation of Iraq. I suppose it’s a reflection of their professional limitations that they do not address the advisability of improving our military’s performance as an invader and occupier, imposing our will by force, but it’s a reminder that the generals can contribute to the policy discussion, but never lead it.
You note that “John McCain tried to argue to Tim Russert … that what the Iraqis want doesn’t matter.” To the extent that the generals continue to discuss how we could have succeeded in a fundamentally violent and illegal enterprise, they share McCain’s willful ignorance. The generals don’t appear to be ready to acknowledge that their allies and adversaries in Iraq may choose to cooperate or not from one day to the next, but they would never consent to our domination in the long term.
The wrongness of our position in Iraq is deep and fatal.
No one has mentioned that I got the ghost of Rumsfeld to appear in the picture. Or that Bush is talking instead of listening. [sigh] ;)
Maybe Gen. Petreus drawing the line on the Geneva Convention against Bush is a sign that the Military isn’t ‘lock-step’ in line after all.
eCAHNomics @ 29
Maybe, but there’s a political/career consideration there too. Even if he’s enough of a suckup to support Bush even though it’s a disaster for the forces, the next military yes-man would be the one left holding the hot potato when Bush leaves office. Will there be anyone who will see that as a positive career move? Especially since to avoid it they don’t have to take a personal risk and advocate getting out, they just have to not speak up in support of staying?
Scarecrow @ 43
I’m not awake enough for subtlety. *g*
That’s just silly. Bush children do not serve. They don’t even pretend to serve like George W. did. The Bush children simply party on, not troubling their beautiful minds.
I have a feeling troop levels is going to be the main subject in the history books. And how the Republicans couldn’t argue for increasing troop levels without admitting failed strategy. And how Democrats couldn’t argue for increasing troop levels without appearing pro war. Jeesh what a mess.
Redshift @ 45
I noticed the hand in motion, and then that it wasn’t holding a conductor’s baton. And the uniforms were Army.
Props on the Rummy ghosting…
Agreed on the subtlety and early AM fog…
edit: btw – Bremer will be doing a WaPo chat at 3 pm eastern today.
just fyi…
Scarecrow @ 43
Because that is normal. Bush is ALWAYS talking instead of listening. To listen implies having a brain.
LandSurveyor @ 48
It’s a horrible game Chimpco is playing. They can’t increase troop levels. They can’t call for the draft without admitting “failure” (as if this war can be won. The premise of win/lose is oversimplistic and should be ditched.)So the troops in Iraq are going to get slaughtered, until Chimpy waits for 2008 or something. I mean what is is strategy anyway?
Lately I’ve been hearing ‘September or October‘. So they’ve already added a month to their firm cut-off point. This is all just a farce. Come Sept. it will be ‘give it till spring’. No more waiting…bring our soldiers home now.
oddz n enz -
Odierno – was in charge for the Willy Pete episode at Fallujah
and an active duty commander: Yingling – has already spoken out – about the failure of military leadership – completely unprecedented
Armed Forces Journal
dakine01 @ 50
. . . and a heart.
OT– Did everyone see the WaPo article this morning?
More is trickling out…
“Voter-Fraud Complaints by GOP Drove Dismissals”
US Attorney Firings
mui @ 35
Plenty. There were also concerns that his presence would jeopardize the soldiers in his unit – as he would be a target.
I wonder how much of the Queen’s crankiness while she was in the US had to do with the fact that Bush’s wars are putting her much loved grandson in harms way.
Solai @ 52
They have been hinting that it might be 2008 until they will be able to start to begin to think about possibly taking actions toward thinking about assessing the s
plurgeScarecrow @ 30
you are most welcome.
i had a more detailed comment prepared last night, when my ibook crashed (kernal failures – yikes!)… spent hours last night trouble shooting, and am on hold with apple tech support now… no email, but at least i have my old imac to surf the toobz.
mui @ 35
You’re not the first person I’ve heard express hostility toward Harry for doing his duty. It would be better that no British troops were in Iraq but as long as they are why shouldn’t a member of the royal family shoulder some of the burden?
Perhaps he’ll set an example for the poodle’s boy, you know the one who did an internship with with wingnut congressman from California. Or better yet it may inspire the military age sons of some of our war mongers, such as willard’s 5 healthy boys to sign up.
ok, i suppose this is obvious to say, but i’ll say it anyhow.
even though it’s great that there’s a rising tide of opposition within the military and the republican ranks to the war and the way it’s been conducted…
even though some of them really and truly, no lie, this time for sure, say that september is going to be the line they draw, and that if things aren’t improved by then, they’ll….think of something else…
even though it’s quite hopeful that eventually even the white house will be forced to take steps toward withdrawal (and that’s the hardest idea to accept)…
even still, september is FOUR-PLUS MONTHS OFF. think of all the needless death and suffering before then. is there nothing that can speed this timeline along?
Kathryn in MA @ 4
Congratulations! That is what I have been shooting for for over a year now. I have walked in your shoes and I know what it’s like. Very best wishes!
cbl @ 53
There’s another one as well – Lt Col Bob Bateman who posts sometimes at Altercation, offered his support to Yingling.
selise @ 58
AppleJack
Blair quits as prime minister
*sigh* What’s chimpy going to do without lap dog?
Congrats Kathryn! Mornin’ Scarecrow! Best wishes to all at the Lake and….Why does Dickhead Cheney hate America?
Blank Kludge @ 28
times has always been an a.m.
klyde @ 59
Which is why I have to offer some small kudos to McCain and his family as his sons ARE serving. One is a Navy officer and the other enlisted in the Marines iirc.
I keep saying this. Maybe I’m blowing smoke but using some point between July and Sept for a progress report is a very smart move on Bush’s part. Here’s why:
Compare this graph:
http://icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx
with this graph(look at the bottom of the page):
http://www.globalsecurity.org/…..limate.htm
Every single year of this war casualties have been down significantly between June and Oct. The reason: The weather. If you map casualties against average temp for a month you get a very close inverse match.
Why does this matter:
In Sept, Bush will be able to say: Violence is down. The surge is working. Stay the course. We need to start debunking this now so that that it can’t be used.
Remember Tony Snow saying this war is not like “Oz — black and white one day, color the next” when it comes to “victory”?
Well, it seems very close to Oz when we look at our leader: no brain, no heart, no courage (lots of nerve). Then there are the men behind the curtain trying to control action and limit self-damage.
Unfortunately, it’s not all a dream; it’s a nightmare.
Well, well, well, looks like we’re about to turn another corner in Iraq.
Good mornin’ firepups and Happy Monday. Off for more coffee and back with a serious comment.
klyde @ 59
Right. But he’ll be privileged for sure. And it has been reported that the “proletarian”
soldiers are lacking in basic equipment. It
costs the gov. how much money to protect McCain and Graham for their little shopping trip?
Good morning, all. I hope all moms had a lovely Mother’s Day. That includes pet moms as well!
I visited my mom for Mother’s Day weekend. I’ve tried to explain what the progressive blogosphere is doing right for our country and I think she is catching on. Being 77 years old, it’s hard for her and my dad to understand. My dad just thinks computers are evil, period! But I really think my mom’s starting to “get” it. =)
Has anyone seen reports indicating that the ‘resistance’ in Iraq has united across sectarian lines – Sunni and Shia – to throw the ‘occupier’ out?
Is it no longer a Civil War between competing internal factions, but rather a War of Nationalist Independence against an invader?
If it’s a ‘United Kick the Invader Out’ movement, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it spread like a fever throughout the Region – possibly even taking down all the ‘Royalty’ that supported Bush.
When complex systems fail – they don’t fail partially – they fail catastrophically.
Bush is a Loser
cbl @ 53
This was a great article. When I read it a while back I thought this has got to be pulled soon. I was presently surprised the link still works. That in itself is interesting.
More evidence of Republican nervousness wrt to Iraq, at ThinkProgress.
The capture/search for the missing US soldiers is getting lots of coverage. Read through the second page for a long list of the violence in Iraq yesterday.
This is only tangentially related, but I have to strongly recommend a movie I rented from Netflix this weekend, “Sir! No Sir!” that digby recommended a few months back. It’s a documentary about resistance to the Vietnam War from within the armed forces. It left me shaken.
twolf1 @ 63
hmmm… looks good. thanks for the tip. but, right now, i’m getting kernal crashes at start up. :(
realworld @ 68
Very good point.
Major General Paul Eaton is up next in the votevets que – a little preview on what to expect
Real Time w/ Bill Maher
Happy Birthday today to ND Senator Byron Dorgan! One of the Senate’s finest.
Thanks for your post, Scarecrow. America’s military finest deserves far better than the civilian misleadership has given them.
And keeping our MIA 3 in heart and mind today.
mui @ 35
About the same as it did for Charles Robb and Roger Stauback in the Nam.
(need to note that Robb did command an infantry company in Vietnam but there are area of operations that are much higher risk than others, even for jar heads.)
egregious @ 23
Morning everyone!
I, too, deeply appreciate the “heads-up” about hearings. Things are popping around here at the moment, and I keep finding myself missing important stuff that I’d at least like to record & see after-the-fact.
Many thanks selise, and everyone else. I’m slowly getting caught up.
Questions of MY day: How on earth is it possible for whudub to ignore reality any longer???!?!
Or is he truly bigthyme’s sockpuppet, & nothing more?
These people are quite simply, willfully tearing a significant part of the world to shreds!
Can’t someone with a loud, LOUD voice ask dumbya to contemplate how he’d feel if furrin’ ruffians ripped their way through his back yard, & then simply said, “whoopsie. wrong shrub. oh well. clean it up, heathen.”
Why oh WHY would high-profile “gurus” in the MSM pretend to be so clueless?!?! Are they utterly shameless & heartless as well?!?! (hello timmeh? helloooh lou; tap tap tap – I know that, Dawgs, but they think they are, so ….spotlight is my friend…)
Keep up the good work dawgs. u keep me goin’.
*sigh*
dmg @ 60
Tragically, no. Those of us who have been calling for an end for 4 years now were ignored at best, demonized at worst. Unfortunately, due in HUGE, HUGE part to the mainstream media, it has taken this long for mild discomfort to set in, not to mention and outright rage (which is there and WAS there but more on that below). To those of us who have been aware of the facts for years, that is a tragically amazing reality. So, yes, it’s going to be slow going, I am afraid.
And the msm bears an inordinate amount of the responsiblity for not just failing to do their jobs, but being active participants in the marketing of this tragedy.
Damn the lot of them. My contempt for them exceeds my contempt for Joe Lieberman by light years.
Let the progressive blogosphere flatten them like a wave of righteousness comparable to that of the civil rights movement.
Long live FDL and their brethren and sisteren.
Sermon ended.
dmg @ 60
precisely! obvious! necessary!
rinse & repeat!
THANKYOU!
dmg @ 65
I gotta switch to plastic. No more tinfoil.
Tangentially, I caught a replay yesterday of ‘Fresh Air’ segment w/Beschloss (sp?) the Presidential historian. Played tape of JFK and I think Cokie’s dad, Russell (?) Sen. – LA. (Warren Commissioner, too, iirc) from I think just after ‘I have a dream’ Aug ‘63. Talking about the possible southern ‘revolt’ of Electoral College electors coming in ‘64 and JFK/civil rights.
Maybe things were ’simpler’ then, but these two went back and forth like grandmaster chessplayers. Each anticipating the others stand and move. Fascinating, captivating and amazing.
I wonder if anything close is to that kind of exchange is even possible with the Nut in the WH and someone like Lott, or Hagel or….
The other thing he played was just after Hinckley’s attempt on Reagan. The ‘play’ was Haig and the rest gathering in the WH and ‘figuring out’ their move. Blame ‘THE SOVIETS’! Casper Weinberger talking about going to ‘heightend alert status’ – which he needs to clarify as NOT DefCOn 4 or something….
Beschloss was stunned and amazed at their muted and subdued non-panic matter of fact discussion.
But, if you look at it from the perspective of that it wasn’t unexpected….
Like I said, plastic, please…
Mandrake @ 83
Amen
radiofreewill @ 73
Google searching Juan Cole’s site, it seems that there have been feints/ attempts (genuine?)at some kind of nationalist alliance for some time.
radiofreewill @ 73
“Bush is a Loser” We’ve heard it often but that really says it all. The Progressives have needed an easy to meme sobriquet for this a**hole and “loser” works for me..
brendan @ 76
Sorta related, but I saw Amy Goodman on CSPAN last night and she said AWOL’s are in the thousands. Of course, this goes largely unreported.
Her source? The Pentagon.
Fern @ 56
Militants will target Prince Harry. Link found from Juan Cole.
Dear VoteVets.org Supporter,
Today, we are launching our second of three “Generals” ads. Last week, you made our historic ad featuring retired Major General John Batiste a smashing success. From when it launched on Wednesday, through the weekend, it was the talk of the news and discussion shows, and even featured in a Sunday New York Times story! Today, retired Major General Paul Eaton debuts in an ad, again taking on the false notion that the President listens to his commanders on the ground.
kdh22 @ 65
i don’t think he hates, necessarily.
he just doesn’t bloomin’ care.
that’s what makes him so horribly dangerous.
it’s not just ticker-trubble with this guy.
i think he’s seriously sick in the head.
i’ve known people w/ serious disease.
that didn’t make them better or worse as people.
it did tend to peel back some layers, tho, to reveal more of their inner personality.
the center of this particular onion is a festering, rotten mess.
im*eech
NOW!
Morning, Scarecrow.
Mmmm, substantial breakfast, thanks!
I have been wondering about the AWOL’s. Some of them turn up here (Canada), a few end up in Scandanavia, some go home to face charges but thousands? I would wonder how many are transferring to Blackwater and other better-paid jobs. Anyone heard anythinga bout that?
While General Batiste’s stand on his principles is to be admired, he nonetheless refers to engagement with the “enemy” in Iraq as a noble purpose. However, any reference to Iraqi’s as the “enemy” misses the simple point: The Iraqi’s fighting us are not our enemies. George Bush caused the US to invade their country. Shock and awe. Come invade my neighborhood in Boston – the birthplace of the Revolution – you’ll find more than a few insurgents. Until the concept of Iraqi’s as an “enemy” is eliminated from the paradigm entirely, can the matter be fully remedied.
The inimitable Ms. Hamsher has the next thread up.
‘Morning, FirePups. Busy day here, no rest for the wicked.
Been wondering for over a year when the military would finally have enough of the crap foisted on them by the White House and OVP and begin revolt. The problem has been the slow, systematic removal of all the non-Kool-Aid drinking military, beginning with Shinseki; there have been fewer and fewer folks with institutional memory in place to object in a way that would make a difference.
Watch this carefully, as we are watching a parallel: the U.S. Attorneys and the DOJ have undergone the same systematic poisoning. Will the remaining white hats in DOJ be able to muster the firepower to stop the catastrophic failure?
Will the white hats in the military be able to do the same?
radiofreewill @ 72
Bush is a Uniter, not a Divider.
Just to remind everyone – I believe this is “Whistleblower Week” in Washington – there ought to be some riveting testimony… I hope C-SPAN gives them some airtime.
BTW – It was great to see Amy Goodman and Greg Palast on a panel discussion yesterday – strong performances by both.
Adie @ 82
See my sermonization above. ;)
But the short answer is, somehow, after all this, they can please their masters and still sleep at night.
If they continue to move the goalposts in promising that our troops coming home, as they have since the beginning of the invasion of Iraq, this ‘war’ the appointed one will be out of office and relieved of the blood he has spilled.
I don’t believe a blasted thing the media or bush/cheney/rove says.
About four more months of U.S. forces being killed. That would be at least the approx. 360 since Jan. 10 surge initiated. 3/day.
I wasn’t following closely, but others say it was about 2.5/day prior.
I keep track now. I more or less called the surge ‘operation bloodbath’ – for U.S. soldiers AND Iraqi civilians – when he went on TV in Jan.
Going to be a bloody summer in Baghdad.
OT (sorry)
Re: voter fraud
Somebody pointed this out upthread:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..eheadlines
Waxman needs to get Rove under oath now!
LaFourmiRouge @ 98
Awesome, yes. It was immensely gratifying to see Palast speak since I’ve never had the pleasure before. And always a rejuvinating breath of fresh air to see Amy Goodman, of course. Honestly, these people are my frikkin’ heroes.
I guess that’s why I’m on a “Blame the Media” tangent this morning, although that’s really something I do on a daily basis!
How can they hope to recruit large numbers? Besides the obvious danger to life and limb, our soldiers are being treated horribly. They now know that their medical care will be lacking, they can’t email their families w/o oversight (think that’s delaying messages getting home?), they can’t use ‘myspace’, they’re being nickle and dimed to death over equipment and on and on. So, it’s not just the big things. Our soldiers are being treated shabbily and word is getting out.
Solai @ 104
I have been wondering the same thing. But, per my earlier comment, the unreported story is that AWOL’s are in the thousands – I learned this from hearing Amy Goodman speak on CSPAN last night. Naturally, we don’t hear about this on the “news.”
Mandrake 99.
Thanks. I did read. Much appreciate everything you write.
but
rummy’s not the only one who can ask rhetorical questions, eh?
Keep Singin’ ;->
mc @ 102
{{{{{THANKS!}}}}}
This is NEVER OT. It’s key to everything that’s happening under this administration. imho.
oh, did I say thanks? ;->
Mandrake @ 89
also underreported — a friend who has many contacts among iraq-stationed troops says the number of them on prescription drugs, specifically antidepressants, is alarming.
cbl @ 79
I found this disappointing. He says it would be bad for the troops to defund them and bring them home but was not asked how so? Keeping them alive is bad for them? Stopping putting them into situations where they don’t know if it’s right or wrong to kill civilians is wrong? Squandering our international support further is good for them? I was really disappointed Maher didn’t challenge him on this.
Scarecrow @ 75
Bernhard has an interesting take on the abduction, Mahmoudiya Amnesia
Lincoln County Democrats invited our VeteransForPeace Squadron13 bus to
march with them in the “Loyalty Days” parade which took place on Saturday May
5th, 2007. The parade organizers were informed ahead of time that a bus would
be included in their entry and permission was granted. Then 2 hours prior to parade time they were advised that peace “doesn’t support the spirit of our
community” (yes she really said that – see the video!).
Isn’t Jane from Newport?
The second in the series of VoteVet ads is up. General Eaton served 33 years in the U.S.Army:
http://www.votevets.org
Coincidence to announce this after The Generals start speaking out or what?
Defense Department blocks some Web sites
snip…
“The Defense Department will begin blocking access “worldwide” to YouTube, MySpace and 11 other popular Web sites on its computers and networks, according to a memo sent Friday by Gen. B.B. Bell, the U.S. Forces Korea commander.”
and snip…
“The sites covered by the ban are the video-sharing sites YouTube, Metacafe, IFilm, StupidVideos, and FileCabi, the social networking sites MySpace, BlackPlanet and Hi5, music sites Pandora, MTV, and 1.fm, and live365, and the photo-sharing site Photobucket.”
http://tinyurl.com/225f5v
New CCN Troops & Vets entry has posted — part 2 from Ilona Meagher on PTSD.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/12064
jinny @ 112
Thanks, jinny — I’ll add an update.
I’m casting my memory back to post-1970 Vietnam war. I just don’t remember ANY newly retired generals coming out against the war and speaking publicly in opposition to it. There were enlisted men, and junior officers like John Kerry, but major generals who had recently commanded divisions? This is unprecedented and it’s interesting that more isn’t being made of it.