And yes, Al Qaeda is the big buzzword attached to everything because they need poll numbers. They NEED to beat the “terrr terrr fear fear” drum with a renewed fervor. It wins elections. They can’t very well do that with all this truth and facts shit all over the place to be had by just anyone yanno! We’ll keep seeing more of the rovarian “news” plants in the NYT and WaPo as well.

Next, they’ll be calling off the election because we’re at war doncha know . They’re “staying the course”… make no mistake on that.

Could my thinking be so far off? When no one else has made the same point, or at least in the direction of my point, as me, I wonder if I could be that far of the logic concerning this kidnapping.With the kidnappings, this administration is taking the opportunity to boast the contention Al Qaeda is in Iraq, so they need to stay there to fight the war on terror.

For the last 4 months, there has been a huge debate on whether to put timetables in Iraq. One of the arguments has been: If we leave now we would be strengthening Al Qaeda and Iran. What more evidence is needed to make the case for occupation in Iraq when you got 5 dead US solders and 3 missing? To add in this logic, a Al Qaeda affiliate has made claims to the attacks. There is another reason why this administration needs Al Qaeda to be in Iraq.

I know most people have heard the many complaints we have abandon our efforts to hunt down Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Couldn’t you make the case you were doing what Americans want you to do if you were hunting down Bin Laden’s group in Iraq, especially after you just lost solders and cannot account for all of those involved in the attack?

Because I don’t believe anything this administration and his general cronies, not all are cronies, put out, I am always looking for the next lie around the corner. I have had it with the delvers of Bush’s propaganda: Fox news and their wantabees CNN, MSNBC, Washington Journal,and the rest all have a conservative slant in their news reporting.

So far, the connection to Al Qaeda being responsible for this attack is weak, From what I know about Al Qaeda, they usually take direct responsibility for their attacks very quickly after the attack. Think about 911. It did not take long for the murders, Bin Laden and the real Al Qaeda, to take credit for their crime. Why would they take this indirect approach now?

If I were doing the propaganda thing to seek support for this war, the last thing I would want is the media “turning over the same rocks” I did. They would get the true discovery. Yes, it better to bar them from the make up site, and feed them the information you want them to have.

Joseph

Alfred Kelgarries @ 83

how about this scenario:

a concentrated uprising in baghdad and elsewhere cuts off us troops; supplies are unable to get from kuwait or kurdistand or saudi arabia. attempts to bring in supplies by air are partially successful until a chemical or dirty bomb attack leaves the airport useless.

the us attacks from carrier based planes to no avail. house to house fighting in BD leads to thousands of US dead, many more captured and killed after torture (helpfully submitted to the internet afterwards). Finally in desperation the US begs Iran for help; Iran sends in its Republican Guards and “escorts” the us troops out to Iran, forcing them to leave their heavy armor and weapons behind. they are then “debriefed” for about a month and sent home a few planeloads at a time for maximum media punch. the shia government of iraq then, with help of the RG, slaughters all reachable sunni, while turkey invades in the north and effectively decimates the kurds, turning the oil over to the Iraqi govt in return for promises to keep the kurds under control. the saudis can do nothing, they can’t take on iran and iraq (with us weapons) both. Kuwait and SA expell all us forces to avoid similar bloodbaths in the region.

Prove me wrong, folks. THIS is the disaster I see coming. Chimpy wants it to happen on the next Dem Prez’s watch but he may not be that lucky…

Phreakin spookily eerie and all things easily possible.

Tanbark woulda said this, so I’m gonna email him direct and use yer words if ya don’t mind to shove it down his gullet cuz he’s so damned always right . . :grin:

I buy into all you say, hoss, only, I’m not sure it works out as neatly as you posit. My version has a lot more slaughter in it, in paybacks for Islamic Desocratins. Heads will roll. As the Old Caliph would have done.

I’m not sure, they ain’t entitled to do so, either. I’m NOT about religons being one up on anyone. But I’m about politics and peoples holding their ground and being rightous. I haven’t seen a lot of rightous in humans for a few thousand years now . . . . anyone else? Bueller?

How? I’ve heard MUCH macho talk about this WINNING shit, but, no one ever says HOW. Other than more firepower, more killing, yadda yadda.

SE Asia is a special spot for me, as my pops was in it in the 50’s and early 60’s from a ‘Befriend The Peasants’ perspective. He and his programs got shit on when the butter went to guns.

Tell me how.

That move began LONG ago, google Leo Strauss.

Then, Neocons.

Then, Contract With America.

And reread Eisenhower’s farewell speech about the MIC.

So far, the american people, and the blogs, and the MSM, and everyone for the most part, have rolled over and played possum to either PARTS of the scene, or all of it.

Money talks, Big Bro Walks It All.

Who or how will change this?

Is McNulty scheduled to testify?

I have an impression he’s been called to do so? Where’d my feeble pea brain get THAT idea? I dont’ keep track of a lot of stuff so well . . . . some things just stick hard. Oh well, GO FDL PUPS!

GSD – all my sources say yep, Tet plus developing. Tribes north and south uniting (note, this transcends sunni and shia)- think supply lines and exit routes, increase of attacks on Green Zone, reactions to the walling in of neighborhoods followed by US air bombardments on those neighborhoods, and more …

And I thought I had already read on AW.com by someone in past 7 days that there WAS a unity movement to demand US Withdrawl. Unlike Tricky Dick, it IS time to pull out in the middle of a screw.

Still . . . . it’s all the same game from both aisles. What will be done about that?

For those of you old enough to remember the media coverage of the Vietnam War, you’ll remember how vividly it was brought to us every evening on our television screens by the nightly news programs.

I remember, I watched it every night. I grew up watching it.
I remember the last chopper out and our boys pushing them over the side of aircraft carriers.
I remember even though I was young.
Nixon in 73 ended it, finally, way too damn late for way too damn many.
It seems our current government has absolutely no recollection.
I remember.

I remember, too, busted.

It’s almost UNBELIEVABLE they’d even SAY they were gonna block journalists from combat zones, and it’s unfathomable how they will actually enforce it. I DO expect, there will a HUGE increase in dead periodista’s in the next few weeks, though . . . . . including some bodies that were not even literate, much less able to report. Just shot, hacked up, and called a journalist. Examples, as it were.

Wierd scenes inside the gold mine, wierder and wierder every day, and heading to more and more hidden and nasty blacker and blacker ops daily.

How much will the public stand for this?