Comments on: False-Flag Operation

By: jc_fromOR

jc_fromOR — Mon, 14 May 2007 16:20:43 +0000

Hey, big brother!

Too much to cover here. Hope we have another thread on immigration

By: big brother

big brother — Mon, 14 May 2007 06:48:46 +0000

Oregon is 98% lily white hipcoracy here. Demos and Neo cons sleep in the same bed. Loboyism is PAYOLA yo mama! In the name of Jesus as a cover for crimes against humanity. Mr jc_from OR… I am a duck and cheap labor in Oregon comes from Mexico.
I am so so sick of hypocricy. Let’s be fair to everyone. Let human kindness not faith based bigotry run our National Policy. Make the Drug czars pay for welfare for migrant laborers Make the farmers who use the labor build housing and health clinics for them. It is time for our latin allies tyo take responsibility for their own Corporate farmers should pay for welfare and we in our food stores will pick up the tab in higher cost for food.OK. Put the $30 Billion in food stamps back on the table (alcoholics and drug addicts) were not the group that was most hurt. It was American families 35% who cannot get food on the table for 3 squares a day. Hungery kids in America have to go to school to get fed! Halafuckinlueah. Yeah the Pastor of these large neocon churches get the pik of the congregation. Hers how it works find a babe and put here on a committee with access to the Pastor group. Then put any person of color in jail for life for a third drug bust. Justice for sale you got buck get good representation. Got political influece and walk.
Meanwhile the Queen of England is suptuously dining at the Bush WH. Why don’t all you rich pigs try fasting and donating the food to the bankrupt food banks??? These compassionate conservative need a rest… the whole BUSH administration should be IMPEACHED NOW!!! Monday morning file the Impeachmet articles Kucinich is ready go cat go!!! IMPEACHED… the whole complict administration. Forget the surge let’s have purge.

By: jc_fromOR

jc_fromOR — Mon, 14 May 2007 02:18:47 +0000

Geralyn Horton @ 161
Geralyn, You state you cannot support immigration or a guest worker program, and are sorry to be on the ’side’ of bigots & state that we must put our house in order in order to survive. I hope I paraphrase you fairly. I’m not sure, though, that that is the question we face. In the top post, PW mentions a Nation article. I noticed and read a recent article about a raid on an industrial-size meatpacking plant in Greeley, CO in which agents swept a terrified workforce and bundled a sizable portion of it off to Mexico. Children were literally left stranded in daycare while this happened. The Feds promised followup on the social devastation, but did not deliver. Within weeks some of the same workers were trickling back. Why? The jobs were obviously not beeing scooped up by legals. The fact is that our workforce is largely immigrant and this has been a feature of it for some time. Are we going to accept the social consequences or are we going to just let a class of workers become the eternal scapegoats. The current immigration is the logical outcome of NAFTA. Fences and draconian enforcement will probably result in deeper divisions in the workforce and come no closer to a solution.

How about for a start, repeal NAFTA, repeal tax-breaks for US corporations fleeing overseas? Lets encourage protection, rather than the destruction of rural economies in Mexico and elsewhere by pro-globalization policies of our government. That should help to slow illegal immigration. Then how about universally available birth control here in the US. I would not say we should try to make this a top export, but please, let’s not continue to let the puritans from Reagan forward to continue to stigmatize and criminalize women and forbid them to control of their lives. I don’t think that we will ever come close to having a handle on immigration from the south until these two general questions are addressed. Should we enforce immigration laws? Yes, we must control our borders. But unless we take into account the social factors at play, I think we will either be simply bailing out a sinking boat or will be overtaken by a brutal regime of culling of our commnities by an ever expanding migra. I don’t think any progress can be made against the trends you mention while a purge of millions of our residents is going on.

By: The Oracle

The Oracle — Mon, 14 May 2007 01:37:47 +0000

THE NATION has been running ads on Air America.

Last week, I heard one in which the guy representing THE NATION literally conducted a “swift boat” attack on John Edwards, repeating Republican talking points, until I wasn’t sure if I was tuned into Air America or Fox News or CNN radio.

Anyway, I’ve heard of Air America’s “open” policy in accepting ads from across the political spectrum, but to hear a spokesman for THE NATION slamming a Democratic Party presidential candidate over, of all things, his hair, made me wonder if THE NATION has been DLC’ed?

Has THE NATION, in an attempt to be as “fair and balanced” as, let’s say, Fox News, allowed Republican “moles” to infiltrate their staff, “moles,” like in the case of the DLC, whose purpose is to undercut and undermine the progressive, liberal Democratic Party by promoting a wingnut agenda from within?

Just curious.

By: sporkovat

sporkovat — Mon, 14 May 2007 00:53:30 +0000

I thought anytime one hears the word “false flag operation” the correct response is “conspiracy theory” and then censorship by the net nannies?

It’s as simple as “comment-allez-vous?”

“tres bien”

then

censor censor censor.

By: Tennessean

Tennessean — Sun, 13 May 2007 21:48:54 +0000

Yes indeed, but you should have pointed out as well that this has nothing to do with FAIR–Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, which is a reputable media watchdog group.

Carry on…

By: Maggie

Maggie — Sun, 13 May 2007 21:04:41 +0000

I’ve been very surprised with the response I’ve heard from so called progressives regarding immigration. It appears that this is an issue that unites many Republicans and Democrats,some(Dems) of whom agree completely with Dobbs.

By: Geralyn Horton

Geralyn Horton — Sun, 13 May 2007 20:42:02 +0000

I am very sorry to be on the “side” of hate-filled bigots, but I can’t support either immigration or a guest worker program. We the American people already use far more than our fair share of the world’s resources. There is a widening gap between the rich and the poor here as well as globally. In theory, I would like my USA to be more of a meting pot: to welcome anyone who loves the ideals of the Bill of Rights and wants to build a multicultural community where the best from a rainbow of traditions work together to achieve liberty and justice for all. But– NOT until there is some sort of rational plan for a sustainable economy that employs people at jobs that pay enough for a decent standard of living. NOT while we tolerate crumbling schools that push out a shameful % of students and nub the brains of countless graduates. NOT when we are at the mercy of a totally dysfunctional and insane health care system the cost of which per per citizen is half the earnings of a full time worker on minimum wage! NOT while we are fearful and at war. We are headed for a crisis as it is: one that may result in gated communities of the entitled and their servants and security guards with the desperate masses fighting each other for survival outside in slums of toxic waste. Until we hammer out a social contract that shames or taxes into diminishment the wasteful habits of our throw-away winner-take-all consumer culture and inculcates a sense of mutual respect and stewardship, we Must Not Grow! We must set our house in order, take care of all our children and the aging, before we invite others to join us.

By: radiofreewill

radiofreewill — Sun, 13 May 2007 20:07:08 +0000

It’s not easy being a Pappa, either:

Highway 61 (Jaw-slackening live slide performance by Johnny Winter)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8siLZ4zNbY

By: silence is complicity

silence is complicity — Sun, 13 May 2007 20:05:55 +0000

linda @ 84

Sigh. I know the threads are moving on, but this one came home to me all the way to the bone, so I am decloaking to add a comment. First, Happy Mother’s Day to Everyone. This is a day to nurture your inner mother as well as honor your mother.

But, I have had happier days. I have spent the past few days doing some genealogy research - many relatives from Kentucky and Tennessee. Sadly, through family stories, I’m learning there is more than one KKK member attached to my tree and not so distantly either. I agree with many of the posters here - the roots of bigotry lie in fear and greed. It is to the advantage of those in power to foment hatred and false fears among “the masses”, to keep people divided and attacking each other, especially those who are different in some clearly definable way. (Remember the Kris Christophren song “Jesus Was a Capricorn”? - I’ll post a link if I can find one). “Everybody’s got to have somebody to look down on….”

I am beyond appalled and saddened at (what seems to me to be)the willful ignorance, meanness and hatred of people of color that has rotted many of the branches of my family tree. I don’t know if it is possible to pry open a closed, bigotted mind, but racist campaigns and ads certainly feed the fear and hatred, and feed the selective attention process of those eaten up with bigotry. Is it possible to innoculate people against bigotry? The problem of bigotry is both extremely personal and completely communal. We human beings have a long way to go. Corporations and dirty politics are part of the problem; families like mine are part of the problem. Where and how does it end? Thank you Phoenix Woman for exposing these people. Exposure is a good place to start.

Your story very much touched me. But I’d like to point out that it seems within your family the hatred and the bigotry disappated and left. Or at any rate, someone raised you well enough that you are not steeped in it. So there does seem to be hope.