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		<title>By: big brother</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-687508</link>
		<dc:creator>big brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 10:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear FDL I sent this to Move on:&lt;br /&gt;
Kos,FDL,Next Hurrah,TPM and other blogs keep exposing more Bush administration and Republican crime against the People of the USA. The public trust is in shambles. It is time for a new contract with America, The US Constitution. No more rule by Faith based values that the Bush Cabal and the Oligarchy are hiding behind. Those values are long tarnished by missing virtue. The media is not telling the story. They have spent our International political capital and world credibility. We no longer have a credible military detente in the Middle East. Our National treasury has been given to the corporations that supply the war machine. Our domestic policy is neglected and basic FEMA due diligence does not exist for our Nation. There is great reason for republican Congress people to join you. They are in peril of losing more seats in Congress. Some may care more about their country than their party. The Impeachment will hold their feet to the fire in front of the American people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The rule of law is ignored. While in The Color of Law&lt;br /&gt;
Police officers, prison guards and other government officials who improperly abuse the rights of individual Americans have long been recognized in federal law as a threat to society as a whole. That’s why, immediately after the Civil War, Congress approved Title 18 USC 242 — a statute making it a crime to deprive any person of their rights “under color of law.” (Habeus Corpus)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On this basis alone Bush, Cheney and the rest of the rat pack that comprises the administration must be relieved of command. Bush like any other commander has culpability for the abuse of war powers.&lt;br /&gt;
As chief Federal law enforcement Officer AG Gonzales must be Impeached next week for Contempt of Congress as well as Condelezza Rice for snubbing Congress. Bush like the Enlightened Despots of Europe has usurped the Sovereignty of the People and must be relieved of command as well as Cheney immediately. The window of opportunity is a fleeting chance and must be used now.&lt;br /&gt;
Congress has the podium and must reveal the offenses this administration is engaged in. Please Move On this important concern.&lt;br /&gt;
Thank You,&lt;br /&gt;
Al Barrow, President, Citizens for Affordable and Safe Environment&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear FDL I sent this to Move on:<br />
Kos,FDL,Next Hurrah,TPM and other blogs keep exposing more Bush administration and Republican crime against the People of the USA. The public trust is in shambles. It is time for a new contract with America, The US Constitution. No more rule by Faith based values that the Bush Cabal and the Oligarchy are hiding behind. Those values are long tarnished by missing virtue. The media is not telling the story. They have spent our International political capital and world credibility. We no longer have a credible military detente in the Middle East. Our National treasury has been given to the corporations that supply the war machine. Our domestic policy is neglected and basic FEMA due diligence does not exist for our Nation. There is great reason for republican Congress people to join you. They are in peril of losing more seats in Congress. Some may care more about their country than their party. The Impeachment will hold their feet to the fire in front of the American people.</p>
<p>The rule of law is ignored. While in The Color of Law<br />
Police officers, prison guards and other government officials who improperly abuse the rights of individual Americans have long been recognized in federal law as a threat to society as a whole. That’s why, immediately after the Civil War, Congress approved Title 18 USC 242 — a statute making it a crime to deprive any person of their rights “under color of law.” (Habeus Corpus)</p>
<p>On this basis alone Bush, Cheney and the rest of the rat pack that comprises the administration must be relieved of command. Bush like any other commander has culpability for the abuse of war powers.<br />
As chief Federal law enforcement Officer AG Gonzales must be Impeached next week for Contempt of Congress as well as Condelezza Rice for snubbing Congress. Bush like the Enlightened Despots of Europe has usurped the Sovereignty of the People and must be relieved of command as well as Cheney immediately. The window of opportunity is a fleeting chance and must be used now.<br />
Congress has the podium and must reveal the offenses this administration is engaged in. Please Move On this important concern.<br />
Thank You,<br />
Al Barrow, President, Citizens for Affordable and Safe Environment</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Zen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-687504</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Zen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 09:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s a waste of time talking about it. The Dems don’t have the cojones to stand up to the Toddler in Chief. It should be the same bill, time after time, until he gives in or runs out of money.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a waste of time talking about it. The Dems don’t have the cojones to stand up to the Toddler in Chief. It should be the same bill, time after time, until he gives in or runs out of money.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-687374</link>
		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 07:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686394&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cynic @ 135&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685567&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lou Costello @ 101&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685545&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;NorskeFlamethrower @ 94&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;1,512 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Firepup Patriots:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My heart is broken…I realize that my promise to my children that I would keep them safe and  nothing and no one would take their future from them is lost.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We don’t have time here folks, to pretend that the serious, frantic actions of representative politics means a good Goddamn.  WAKE UP PEOPLE…these bastards have already moved their finances and headquarters to Dubai and have retirement estates in Paraguay.  The military is broken and the only trained and equipped military force capable of enforcing any civil order belongs to a Christianist zealot whose hands drip with blood.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This nightmare is real and it won’t stop until we force our elected leadership to lead and  haul the bastards to Leavenworth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KEEP THE FAITH, THE BUCK STOPPED A LONG TIME AGO IN A BANK IN SWITZERLAND!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Tap, tap, tap…is this thing on?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt; I couldn’t have said it better. Or maybe I did with all the &lt;b&gt;links above&lt;/b&gt;. Anyone who still thinks they’re gonna go peaceful into that good night in ‘08 has a rude awakening coming…SOON. May I suggest gold and silver coins? *wink&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, I agree. They’re gonna “attack” this country themselves, just like they did on 9/11. Only this time, they’re gonna kill a hell of a lot more people.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And you WON’T hear about it, or get a dialogue about it, on the MSM, or the blogs, it seems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe On AW.com . . . . . &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like A*P*C, it’s not to be uttered, anywhere else . . . . . &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;N that, is horse shit. Pure horse donkey doo doo. Cuz It IS the first issue at hand. We have LOST our country, and I don’t hear anywhere enuff about THAT, here and now. HMMMMM???? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Harumph.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;(MOD NOTE:  *edited to allow through filters)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686394"><em>cynic @ 135</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-685567"><em>Lou Costello @ 101</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-685545"><em>NorskeFlamethrower @ 94</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>1,512 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..</p>
<p>Firepup Patriots:</p>
<p>My heart is broken…I realize that my promise to my children that I would keep them safe and  nothing and no one would take their future from them is lost.  </p>
<p>We don’t have time here folks, to pretend that the serious, frantic actions of representative politics means a good Goddamn.  WAKE UP PEOPLE…these bastards have already moved their finances and headquarters to Dubai and have retirement estates in Paraguay.  The military is broken and the only trained and equipped military force capable of enforcing any civil order belongs to a Christianist zealot whose hands drip with blood.</p>
<p>This nightmare is real and it won’t stop until we force our elected leadership to lead and  haul the bastards to Leavenworth.</p>
<p>KEEP THE FAITH, THE BUCK STOPPED A LONG TIME AGO IN A BANK IN SWITZERLAND!!</p>
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<p><em><b>Tap, tap, tap…is this thing on?</b></em> I couldn’t have said it better. Or maybe I did with all the <b>links above</b>. Anyone who still thinks they’re gonna go peaceful into that good night in ‘08 has a rude awakening coming…SOON. May I suggest gold and silver coins? *wink</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, I agree. They’re gonna “attack” this country themselves, just like they did on 9/11. Only this time, they’re gonna kill a hell of a lot more people.</p>
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<p>And you WON’T hear about it, or get a dialogue about it, on the MSM, or the blogs, it seems.</p>
<p>Maybe On AW.com . . . . . </p>
<p>Like A*P*C, it’s not to be uttered, anywhere else . . . . . </p>
<p>N that, is horse shit. Pure horse donkey doo doo. Cuz It IS the first issue at hand. We have LOST our country, and I don’t hear anywhere enuff about THAT, here and now. HMMMMM???? </p>
<p>Harumph.</p>
<p><em>(MOD NOTE:  *edited to allow through filters)</em></p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-686394</link>
		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 21:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685567&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lou Costello @ 101&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685545&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;NorskeFlamethrower @ 94&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;1,512 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Firepup Patriots:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My heart is broken…I realize that my promise to my children that I would keep them safe and  nothing and no one would take their future from them is lost.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We don’t have time here folks, to pretend that the serious, frantic actions of representative politics means a good Goddamn.  WAKE UP PEOPLE…these bastards have already moved their finances and headquarters to Dubai and have retirement estates in Paraguay.  The military is broken and the only trained and equipped military force capable of enforcing any civil order belongs to a Christianist zealot whose hands drip with blood.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This nightmare is real and it won’t stop until we force our elected leadership to lead and  haul the bastards to Leavenworth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KEEP THE FAITH, THE BUCK STOPPED A LONG TIME AGO IN A BANK IN SWITZERLAND!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Tap, tap, tap…is this thing on?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt; I couldn’t have said it better. Or maybe I did with all the &lt;b&gt;links above&lt;/b&gt;. Anyone who still thinks they’re gonna go peaceful into that good night in ‘08 has a rude awakening coming…SOON. May I suggest gold and silver coins? *wink&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, I agree. They’re gonna “attack” this country themselves, just like they did on 9/11. Only this time, they’re gonna kill a hell of a lot more people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-685567"><em>Lou Costello @ 101</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-685545"><em>NorskeFlamethrower @ 94</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>1,512 dayz and the killin’ goez on and on and..</p>
<p>Firepup Patriots:</p>
<p>My heart is broken…I realize that my promise to my children that I would keep them safe and  nothing and no one would take their future from them is lost.  </p>
<p>We don’t have time here folks, to pretend that the serious, frantic actions of representative politics means a good Goddamn.  WAKE UP PEOPLE…these bastards have already moved their finances and headquarters to Dubai and have retirement estates in Paraguay.  The military is broken and the only trained and equipped military force capable of enforcing any civil order belongs to a Christianist zealot whose hands drip with blood.</p>
<p>This nightmare is real and it won’t stop until we force our elected leadership to lead and  haul the bastards to Leavenworth.</p>
<p>KEEP THE FAITH, THE BUCK STOPPED A LONG TIME AGO IN A BANK IN SWITZERLAND!!</p>
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<p><em><b>Tap, tap, tap…is this thing on?</b></em> I couldn’t have said it better. Or maybe I did with all the <b>links above</b>. Anyone who still thinks they’re gonna go peaceful into that good night in ‘08 has a rude awakening coming…SOON. May I suggest gold and silver coins? *wink</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, I agree. They’re gonna “attack” this country themselves, just like they did on 9/11. Only this time, they’re gonna kill a hell of a lot more people.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-686306</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 21:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685649&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brisingamen @ 111&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685477&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;IrishJim @ 39&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Somewhat OT.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find this article from Raw Story to be very disturbing. Why is the White House worried about taking control in case of a catastrophic incident? I am bothered by this announcement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_Changes_continuity_plan_0510.html&quot;&gt;Raw Story&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What it could mean is fewer people knowing about a potential attack. Actual practice is to start moving the ’shadow government’ out of the District when a situation begins to heat up. (Sort of an extreme version of Cheney and his secret bunker.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The bad news about this is, if the White House is in charge, they might only alert members of their political party when an attack could be on the way.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The best evidence of which I’m aware (which is publicly known) that our government knew 9/11 was going to happen was the short-selling of stocks (an indication someone thought those stocks were going to lose value in the very short term). The reason it’s very clear is that the short-selling occurred in the airlines whose airplanes were actually hijacked. That means we didn’t just suspect they were going to use airplanes, we knew specifically which airlines would be involved. Then there is the specific dates when the short-selling occurred. That tell us they knew to within a day or two when it was going to happen. Finally, if anyone looked at the records they would discover who did the short-selling and that would lead, like a trail of bread crumbs, to those in government who knew and spread the word.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s all there for those who want to connect the dots.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I saw Lee Hamilton and Tom Kean on a talk show last night and couldn’t stand it. Hamilton was saying how the 9/11 wives were great. I was wondering why everyone wasn’t calling for the investigation. What did Hamilton and his bunch have to hide. Hamilton was saying how those wives didn’t always agree with the commission findings. I was wondering how there could be any difference of opinion if the facts were clearly identified or why they didn’t investigate further to clarify issues. Clearly the commission wasn’t wanted and had to cover up things while doing their work almost in full public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why would anyone in America want to hide stuff about the 9/11 attacks? I can’t imagine why unless they would be embarassed or indicted as a result.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, to tie this in to the story about the ’shadow government’, who gives a flying f***. They have no shame and they’re already crapping on us. What more could a shadow government do? It’s just different faces (or shadows, I suppose) of the same government running things now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;MONEY, POWER, FOREVER are the goals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ANYTHING GOES is the tactical attitude.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or, to paraphrase Karl Rove, America is fair game.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-685649"><em>Brisingamen @ 111</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-685477"><em>IrishJim @ 39</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Somewhat OT.</p>
<p>I find this article from Raw Story to be very disturbing. Why is the White House worried about taking control in case of a catastrophic incident? I am bothered by this announcement.</p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_Changes_continuity_plan_0510.html">Raw Story</a></p>
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<p>What it could mean is fewer people knowing about a potential attack. Actual practice is to start moving the ’shadow government’ out of the District when a situation begins to heat up. (Sort of an extreme version of Cheney and his secret bunker.)</p>
<p>The bad news about this is, if the White House is in charge, they might only alert members of their political party when an attack could be on the way.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The best evidence of which I’m aware (which is publicly known) that our government knew 9/11 was going to happen was the short-selling of stocks (an indication someone thought those stocks were going to lose value in the very short term). The reason it’s very clear is that the short-selling occurred in the airlines whose airplanes were actually hijacked. That means we didn’t just suspect they were going to use airplanes, we knew specifically which airlines would be involved. Then there is the specific dates when the short-selling occurred. That tell us they knew to within a day or two when it was going to happen. Finally, if anyone looked at the records they would discover who did the short-selling and that would lead, like a trail of bread crumbs, to those in government who knew and spread the word.</p>
<p>It’s all there for those who want to connect the dots.</p>
<p>I saw Lee Hamilton and Tom Kean on a talk show last night and couldn’t stand it. Hamilton was saying how the 9/11 wives were great. I was wondering why everyone wasn’t calling for the investigation. What did Hamilton and his bunch have to hide. Hamilton was saying how those wives didn’t always agree with the commission findings. I was wondering how there could be any difference of opinion if the facts were clearly identified or why they didn’t investigate further to clarify issues. Clearly the commission wasn’t wanted and had to cover up things while doing their work almost in full public.</p>
<p>Why would anyone in America want to hide stuff about the 9/11 attacks? I can’t imagine why unless they would be embarassed or indicted as a result.</p>
<p>So, to tie this in to the story about the ’shadow government’, who gives a flying f***. They have no shame and they’re already crapping on us. What more could a shadow government do? It’s just different faces (or shadows, I suppose) of the same government running things now.</p>
<p>MONEY, POWER, FOREVER are the goals.</p>
<p>ANYTHING GOES is the tactical attitude.</p>
<p>Or, to paraphrase Karl Rove, America is fair game.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-686247</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 20:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685478&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GeorgeSimian @ 40&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Whatever happened to “while their troops stand up, our troops will stand down”?  That’s not even part of the plan anymore, is it?  What about the fact that we are no longer funding any rebuilding in Iraq?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does anybody really know what we’re even aiming for in Iraq?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We can’t read their minds, but their actions indicate some clear goals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They want to make money off the war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They want to lock in future oil profits too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They want to drag it out as long as possible to make more money.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They want to end it when they choose for political purposes, to claim victory and run the parade through the 2008 Republican Convention to win the presidency again and continue the war forever.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They want to claim victory, in the end, to avoid having to admit defeat, so the next time they’re in power they can do it all over again without any hesitation or shame.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They are simply using it as a tool to achieve nefarious goals which had nothing to do with national defense. They’re all war criminals — including the whole lot of them in the administration and in the wider ranging Republican party support structure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-685478"><em>GeorgeSimian @ 40</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Whatever happened to “while their troops stand up, our troops will stand down”?  That’s not even part of the plan anymore, is it?  What about the fact that we are no longer funding any rebuilding in Iraq?  </p>
<p>Does anybody really know what we’re even aiming for in Iraq?</p>
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<p>We can’t read their minds, but their actions indicate some clear goals.</p>
<p>They want to make money off the war.</p>
<p>They want to lock in future oil profits too.</p>
<p>They want to drag it out as long as possible to make more money.</p>
<p>They want to end it when they choose for political purposes, to claim victory and run the parade through the 2008 Republican Convention to win the presidency again and continue the war forever.</p>
<p>They want to claim victory, in the end, to avoid having to admit defeat, so the next time they’re in power they can do it all over again without any hesitation or shame.</p>
<p>They are simply using it as a tool to achieve nefarious goals which had nothing to do with national defense. They’re all war criminals — including the whole lot of them in the administration and in the wider ranging Republican party support structure.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-686176</link>
		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 19:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685536&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 88&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yeah right the invasion of Iraq was not about “oil and Israel”.  Iraqi oil was nationalized in the early 60’s and now we are busy (hello drowning in blood Paul Bremer) trying to privatize.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A sea of Iraqi blood all for access and control of their oil.  Outrageous and criminal!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Absolutely! And aided and abetted and funded by both sides of the aisle and their Big Brother.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-685536"><em>Kathleen @ 88</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Yeah right the invasion of Iraq was not about “oil and Israel”.  Iraqi oil was nationalized in the early 60’s and now we are busy (hello drowning in blood Paul Bremer) trying to privatize.  </p>
<p>A sea of Iraqi blood all for access and control of their oil.  Outrageous and criminal!</p>
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<p>Absolutely! And aided and abetted and funded by both sides of the aisle and their Big Brother.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-686172</link>
		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685527&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 81&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots/liars are pushing hard for “Divest from Iran” legislation across the nation.  They need to be stopped!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Iaea’s El Baradei (who called the liars out on the carpet before the invasion, but our MSM ignored him)  has said that there is no “hard evidence” to back up the unsubstantiated claims about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program.  El Bardei has asked that the zealots/liars “inflammatory rhetoric” about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program to be “turned down”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;General Wesley Clark, General Zinn, Madeline Albright, Zbigniew Brezinski, Flynt Leverett, Scott Ritter and many more have all said that diplomacy is what is needed in regard to Iran.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please read this article at Anti-war.com&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=10949&quot;&gt;http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=10949&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hadn’t gotten to AW.com today yet, so thanks for Lobe’s read, he’s always on spot.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My Devil’s Advocate tells me, this action Lobe is writing about is code for “We’re goin in, boys, get yer $ outta there now, and we’ll cut you back in when things settle down.” I don’t see Lobe’s article in ANY positive light as to bringing economic pressure on Iran, I see it as saving US business interests and giving them a heads up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-685527"><em>Kathleen @ 81</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots/liars are pushing hard for “Divest from Iran” legislation across the nation.  They need to be stopped!</p>
<p>Iaea’s El Baradei (who called the liars out on the carpet before the invasion, but our MSM ignored him)  has said that there is no “hard evidence” to back up the unsubstantiated claims about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program.  El Bardei has asked that the zealots/liars “inflammatory rhetoric” about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program to be “turned down”</p>
<p>General Wesley Clark, General Zinn, Madeline Albright, Zbigniew Brezinski, Flynt Leverett, Scott Ritter and many more have all said that diplomacy is what is needed in regard to Iran.</p>
<p>Please read this article at Anti-war.com</p>
<p><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=10949">http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=10949</a></p>
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<p>I hadn’t gotten to AW.com today yet, so thanks for Lobe’s read, he’s always on spot.</p>
<p>My Devil’s Advocate tells me, this action Lobe is writing about is code for “We’re goin in, boys, get yer $ outta there now, and we’ll cut you back in when things settle down.” I don’t see Lobe’s article in ANY positive light as to bringing economic pressure on Iran, I see it as saving US business interests and giving them a heads up.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-686163</link>
		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 19:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685526&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;EllenG @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The concept of giving benchmarks to the Iraqi government would only make sense if they wanted us to stay and we wanted to leave.   Then we could say, “if you want us to stay, you have to do x”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They don’t want us to stay and with the exception of BushCo, we want to leave.  So benchmarks are just another way of moving the goalposts so Bush can leave office and have his mess cleaned up by someone else.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Beg to differ. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Dem’s are no different than BoyKing and PNAC. Only the NeoCons and BoyKing HAVE a PNAC. The Dem’s are gonna fall along with it, as they take money from the same sources that the NeoCons and BoyKing and ReThug/Fundie’s do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our current situation is one of the USA having BECOME Big Brother, and who rules the ‘roost’ is almost irrelavent. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I DO think the present admin, on behalf of Big Brother, will make a concerted grab for permanent power concentrated within the Executive by staging the next MOST HORRIFIC domestic terror act to do so.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t believe for ONE minute that anything that goes on in the House or Senate with a slim Dem Majority means anything to our futures other than a dance to see who will wear the crown . . . . the end results are all gonna be the same. It just makes for good Goebbel’s like PR to have it SEEM like there’s still two party’s involved in running this country. There aren’t.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-685526"><em>EllenG @ 80</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The concept of giving benchmarks to the Iraqi government would only make sense if they wanted us to stay and we wanted to leave.   Then we could say, “if you want us to stay, you have to do x”</p>
<p>They don’t want us to stay and with the exception of BushCo, we want to leave.  So benchmarks are just another way of moving the goalposts so Bush can leave office and have his mess cleaned up by someone else.</p>
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<p>Beg to differ. </p>
<p>The Dem’s are no different than BoyKing and PNAC. Only the NeoCons and BoyKing HAVE a PNAC. The Dem’s are gonna fall along with it, as they take money from the same sources that the NeoCons and BoyKing and ReThug/Fundie’s do.</p>
<p>Our current situation is one of the USA having BECOME Big Brother, and who rules the ‘roost’ is almost irrelavent. </p>
<p>And I DO think the present admin, on behalf of Big Brother, will make a concerted grab for permanent power concentrated within the Executive by staging the next MOST HORRIFIC domestic terror act to do so.</p>
<p>I don’t believe for ONE minute that anything that goes on in the House or Senate with a slim Dem Majority means anything to our futures other than a dance to see who will wear the crown . . . . the end results are all gonna be the same. It just makes for good Goebbel’s like PR to have it SEEM like there’s still two party’s involved in running this country. There aren’t.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/the-changing-terms-for-iraq-success/#comment-686141</link>
		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 19:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-685505&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lou Costello @ 64&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;They’re playing for keeps and we’re &lt;em&gt;ALL IN.&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/8/11534/72040&quot;&gt;Cheney’s Middle East Trip and the Iraq Oil Law.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Lou, I hadn’t seen that link and info, although one just KNOWS Cheney is there for oil, and leverage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the ONE thing I just don’t get about all this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wouldn’t the PRIVATIZATION of Iraqi Oil be a direct threat to OPEC, UAE, House of Saud, et al?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or, are there back door deals to sell them weapons and keep oil prices high for their profits, and a promise of ‘protection’ from Iran (including an imminent invasion of Iran)? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s the ONLY thing I can’t quite reconcile about all of this . . . how House Of Saud has allowed us to do what we’ve done which SHOULD be a direct threat to them in SO many ways . . . . thanks in advance for any feedback. Great info, links and thoughts FDL Pups, I sure appreciate it all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems to me the heat under the pan of water us frogs are Hot Tubbing in has been kicked up MORE than an Emeril BAM!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-685505"><em>Lou Costello @ 64</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>They’re playing for keeps and we’re <em>ALL IN.</em> <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/8/11534/72040">Cheney’s Middle East Trip and the Iraq Oil Law.</a></p>
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<p>Thanks Lou, I hadn’t seen that link and info, although one just KNOWS Cheney is there for oil, and leverage.</p>
<p>Here’s the ONE thing I just don’t get about all this.</p>
<p>Wouldn’t the PRIVATIZATION of Iraqi Oil be a direct threat to OPEC, UAE, House of Saud, et al?</p>
<p>Or, are there back door deals to sell them weapons and keep oil prices high for their profits, and a promise of ‘protection’ from Iran (including an imminent invasion of Iran)? </p>
<p>That’s the ONLY thing I can’t quite reconcile about all of this . . . how House Of Saud has allowed us to do what we’ve done which SHOULD be a direct threat to them in SO many ways . . . . thanks in advance for any feedback. Great info, links and thoughts FDL Pups, I sure appreciate it all.</p>
<p>It seems to me the heat under the pan of water us frogs are Hot Tubbing in has been kicked up MORE than an Emeril BAM!</p>
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