Clay Risen has an interesting article in the Joe Lieberman Weekly about Barak Obama and the fact that in the first quarter of this year, he raised more money from investment banks ($479,209) than any candidate in either party (Rudy G was second with $437,442). He also nearly doubled Hillary Clinton's take of $47,900 with $85,350 from private equity firms.
Risen then goes on to note with irony that at the same time as he's pulling in these high dollar donors, Obama is also the "grassroots candidate," which I think is a bit unfair. Nobody ever criticizes Republicans for appealing to LCD lizard brains with one hand and raking in corporate cash with the other. His speculation as to why Obama outstrips Clinton, however, I thought was interesting. Why are these young hedge fund managers flocking to Obama? What is the upside? Risen works his way through the usual tropes — baby boomers vs. Gen x-ers, establishment Democrat Clinton vs. international "hyper-wired" Obama — before getting to what I think is the heart of it:
There is also a more Machiavellian element to these young turks' support. Precisely because the Clinton dynasty has been around so long, the door to her innermost fundraising circles–and thus influence and possible White House posts–is largely closed. The top jobs in a hypothetical Hillary Clinton White House aren't exactly taken, but they're not available to newcomers, either. Obama's door, on the other hand, is wide open. So it's no surprise that while Wall Street stalwart Rattner is a big-time Hillary backer, his right-hand man at Quadrangle, Steiner, is going with Obama. The same is the case with Jamie Rubin, the son of Clinton's economic consigliore Robert. "If we all lined up for Hillary, we wouldn't have even gotten into the anteroom, let alone seats at the table," one of Obama's young fundraisers told New York. "But that's not how it is with Barack. We're already at the table."
To think that someone can win a Presidential race without courting big money is naive and criticizing a serious candidate for doing so is unrealistic. There probably is no room at the Clinton inn and it's quite natural that young, ambitious money would seek Obama out as their candidate. It's actually of more concern that at the same time Obama is courting hedge fund managers he blew off the firefighters union. It may be nothing, there may just have truly been a scheduling conflict and some may be jumping the gun to conclude that he is not going to court labor based on this one incident.
Still, the firefighters will (or at least could) play a big part in cracking Guiliani's reputation as "America's Mayor" and I have to say I'm not sure that a Democratic presidential candidate who isn't actively trying to win their support is making the absolute smartest political move. And as someone who thinks that the future of progressive politics is going to depend on working closely with labor to push workers' rights, it's something that certainly bears watching.



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Zed????
Hi Jane, Money Honey?
lolo @ 2
Denied again!!!
Hey Jane! Congrats, Millinery Man?
PS: I heard your scream all the way from NJ but I thought it was a catfight…
Yes! Jane!
“And as someone who thinks that the future of progressive politics is going to depend on working closely with labor to push workers’ rights, it’s something that certainly bears watching.”
Jane!!! ((lolo))
If I haven’t done so, let me be clear. I do not want Hillary or Obama as my next president.
Hi Jane, and Thanks Jacqrat. I have a suggestion for that vote.
Money?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3m-gOelA8g
Jane, I did hear one of NYC’s firefighters top union folks speak on Air America. But, of course, that’s not really mainstream radio yet.
Once again the corporate owned media double standard is in play. Dems are not supposed to be rich and are hypocritical if they’re rich and live in a big house while working for those less fortunate. And they’re not supposed to be “grass-roots” and raise money from rich people. The smell of that double standard cr*p is overwhelming.
Hopefully the firefighters will flock to Edwards.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 9
Love them….
Senator Clinton is insidious. And if that’s not bad enough, I don’t like her politics.
No KO : (
“Retail sales are being closely watched since US consumers have helped keep the world economy afloat in recent years, borrowing against the rising value of their houses to finance spending on everything from new cars to flatscreen TVs.”
Looks like the U.S. consumer is about to tell the money lenders to make their own damn money.
Greenspan’s a Gloomy Gus.
-GSD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 7
I agree with you on Hill, but, Obama’s got MoJo! He is a viable and electable candidate!!! I’ll admit partiality on geographic reasons, but, He has Charisma!!! I like Edwards too, but, Obama is the Man!!!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 7
How about John Edwards?
Notice the media either ignores him or mocks him?
I heard some talking head say that Obama snapped at his aides in public. I was in the other room so I don’t know who it was. Guess he is getting cranky.
Here is another troubling fact about Obama.
He is co-sponsor of a bill to address climate change, the McCain/Lieberman bill.
That is not the troubling fact. McCain/Lieberman is an OK climate bill with some teeth.
The troubling fact is that Obama is also co-sponsor of legislation to provide incentives for coal-to-liquid transportation fuel. This isn’t clean coal power generation that may in fact have a future if carbon capture and storage technologies work out. Coal-to-liquids makes global warming worse and is another way to prolong our addiction to fossil fuels rather than move to renewables and technologies like plugin hybrids.
If you are serious about fighting global warming you don’t co-sponsor a bill that will build an infrastructure for coal-to-liquids.
Obama is getting a lot of good press but I think he needs to explain inconsistencies like simultaneously supporting climate change legislation and coal-to-liquids incentives.
dakine01 @ 11
We never see the ‘anti-government Republicans’ getting pegged as hyprocrites for making money hand over fist from the federal government.
-GSD
Oklahoma kiddo @ 7 – i don’t want mitt, rudy, or john (mccain) as my next president
solai @ 18
That’s cuz they’re scared shitless. He’ electable.
As an Edwards supporter, I think he must be doing something right because the media doesn’t seem to like him. Tough !
lolo @ 19
Sound like a typical establishment smear.
Just like the hooey about the “brave band of Republicans” who confronted Bush! How very fricking timely.
-GSD
OT but this is taking outsourcing to a new level! Article from Newsweek on a California man outsourcing local news coverage to reporters in INDIA!
Money, Money, Money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o16uVon2NRQ
I want Edwards for many reasons. Not the least of which is that I think he could re-unite this country in a way that we haven’t seen since we’ve fallen prey to all of Bush’s (Rove’s) tactics to divide us.
dakine01 @ 11
Right On, Bra!!! One thing I had not noticed in the current discourse, was the fact, Obama led the Pack, in small contributors!!! Hill’s shift of $10 Mil. from her Senate War Chest to her Prez War Chest, was the only reason she won the Quarterly’s!!!
lolo @ 12
I don’t have any particular affection for the firefighters, they’re notoriously conservative and they backed Joe Lieberman in CT. Still, as Tom Schaller said, 2006 Democratic victories were “fueled by votes from their base: union families and households, women, nonwhite voters and younger voters.” It just does not seem particuarly smart to assert one’s independence from special interests by shunning labor (not that I know that this is what Obama is doing), particularly if Rudy winds up with the GOP nod and the firefighters could be so critical in kicking a hole in that 9/11 hero crap he likes to spin.
Money Honey I assume you mean Penny Pritzker? Obama’s Finance Chair as a Billionaire I’m sure she introduced Obama to all the right people at the right parties which given her age might explain why the young Democrat super rich all seem to be behind Obama. I wonder though the Democrats are getting more money than the Republicans I have assumed that it was all souless corporations trying to suck up to power. Could it be that the there is a split in the super rich with the bigger half going Democratic and the largest part going for Obama? We won’t know for sure until the election is over but this trend is very interesting. This trend could blow all Karl’s circuits once he admitts his “math ” is wrong.
Patrick Kennedy @ 20
Re Obama on energy, Illinois is a big state for corn to ethanol so it is unsurprising if he is a big supporter of it. Similarly, I wonder if the coal to liquids deal is connected to coal interests in the southern part of the state.
jane in case it’s spotlighted, a typo
who isn’t actively ‘trying’…….to win their support
I remain committed to not wanting Clinton or Obama. I also remain convinced that Gore or Edwards would trounce Rudy, or whatever Republican those guys put up, including Fred Thompson. Come on Senator Clinton… and Senator Barack, be states-persons. Pull out and announce you will support Gore/Edwards. For the sake of the country, the world and the party.
dmac @ 33
who isn’t actively ‘trying’…….to win their support
thank ye
I’m from Illinois and have been watching the junior Senator. Obama is a good poser but he’s just like the rest of them. Don’t be fooled by this guy. He talks smooth but he’s more like Clinton and Lieberman than not.
America wants a change. BushClintonClintonBushBushClinton? Nope.
A lot of the big money has maxed out to Hillary, so they’ll get no more love from her. I had lunch today with one who has started doling it out to Obama but in chunks “because he’ll know I haven’t maxed out to him yet,” and he loves the attention.
I paid for my own meal.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
That is what I am dreaming and praying for! I trust them.
Robert Greenwald joined us at the end of the last thread. I invited him to come here, hope he saw it!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
I was excited about Obama in the begining but his DLC ties bother me. So I’m checking out others. Have you seen Bill Richardson’s Ads? They were on Crocks and liars earlier this week. Funny and informative about who he is and his qualifications.
Here is the lnk to his website. See what you think.
http://www.richardsonforpresid…..binterview
No kidding about the FF’ers & RGJoe – there’s a lesson there! Democratic politics/policies are so transparent wrt their support for “the working stiff”, even real heroes. How could FF’ers possibly mistake their own interests as intertwined with Lieberman’s, or conservative, anti-labor types? They must believe their union is immune from the conservative leering eye. They may get a surprise.
Howdy Twain!
Loo Hoo @ 39
He did, oh I hope he joins us he is such a patriot.
Hugh @ 32
Coal is big in southern Illinois. That is not a sufficient reason for a supposed supporter of climate change legislation to support funds to build a coal-to-liquids infrastructure. CTL, unlike biofuels, is bad, bad, bad for the climate. Given the kind of greenhouse gas emission reductions we need to make it is not a close call. It makes me seriously wonder how deep Obama’s convictions run on the issue of climate change.
lolo @ 42
I hope so too.
lolo @ 15
Is someone sitting in?
@ 45
Allison Stewart. She is smart as a whip but I miss KO.
Al the Spook here with more on the Rudy-Iowa story from TPM…seems McCain is jumping into the breach. This should go MSM by tomrrow or sunday at tha latest…
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe…..y_campaign
Whew! Allison is fine with me, lolo.
recent long New Yorker profile of Obama. “The Conciliator”. I can see why many are captivated by him, yet I’m not overwhelmed by someone who seeks compromise just for the sake of compromise.
For my love. I know you’re reading this and I will be up there (Tahlequah) in the morning. Early. Leavin’ late tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
I hate to be the ill-informed one at this site, but I don’t understand the whole ‘hedge fund’ issue that keeps coming up. It was mentioned in the debate and again in the Edwards interview on ABC and Jane referred to it in her post. What am I missing?
GSD @ 25
I heard the recording of Obama himself telling the firefighters he chewed out his staff (my phrasing) for the scheduling mix up that prevented his personal appearance at their convention. IMO, not a cool thing for a boss to do. Ever.
Gore/Edwards 2008!!!!
Loo Hoo @ 39
Loo Hoo!
@ 48
My husband hasn’t said that he misses KO either.
Patrick Kennedy @ 43
I was just trying to point out where Obama’s position probably came from. I think coal to liquids is a bad technology. I am not a big fan of ethanol either. It is a carbon based fuel and contributes to global warming both in its production and its use. It also depletes some of the most productive soils in the world.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 47
HA! He finally does something right. Too bad a dem didn’t beat him to the punch. This will spread like wildfire now.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 50
OKK and Love, that is too sweet!
Patrick Kennedy @ 43
And besides that, Coal Gasification is nothing but a Red Herring, otherwise ND would have been the new Saudi Arabia for the last 20 years
How much money would the progressive community have had to have raised for him to vote against the Patriot Act renewal?
a sell-out, soul-less, DLC, poll driven triangulator will never get my support, sorry, we have seen where going with that type has gotten the Democratic party.
doodz –
the dem nominee will be better for the country than the rethug
let’s all work hard for the d’s we favor in the early going, without savaging the others, so that we get the dem in the white house next time around
i know a lot of people voted for nader over gore because gore was too dlc, and that made it so much easier for the rethugs to steal it and get dumbya in the white house
please let’s not cut the legs out from the dems we like second best
thnx
jane
yer so welcome, head held high, good nutrition, good friends, good attitude, yer doin’ good.
@ 48
She is cute, smart, young, sassy but I hate the theme music she uses for her show in the morning so I don’t watch it much.
AP – Republican Mitt Romney is expected to report financial assets between $190 million and $250 million, an amount that would likely make him the wealthiest of the 2008 presidential candidates.
wtf @ 60
Love your name. Use it in vain often.
That Hillary and Obama are the Democratic frontrunners says a lot about how broken our Presidential selection system is. One is a DINO. The other is a DINO in training.
lolo @ 62
Though I like the visuals (vestigial remnants of sexism do manifest themselves) of Ms Allison, she just doesn’t bring the snark as well as KO.
Sorry for the Off topic but it is following money – just a different trail.
Is this today’s Friday Night News Dump?
I apologize in advance if it has already been discussed – been offline today.
dmac, You’re back. Yes I am terry olson, why did you ask?
Suzanne @ 67
This is news to me. I was hoping Wolfowitz was resigning,
Suzanne @ 67
I wonder if EW knows about this?
dakine01 @ 66
That’s it! I’ve been sitting here pondering….
I don’t mind her as a ‘replacement’ but there’s like no “oomphft”.
solai @ 64: heh; thnx much
Oklahoma kiddo: romney has a 1/4 billion dollars? whoa. what does he pay for a haircut
“nobody could have predicted” that the mormon multimillionaire would run such a craptacular campaign from the gitgo
punaise @ 49
You should forgive the expression: Amen. We’ve had a little too much of that. Like others, I’m leery of Obama’s DLC ties, his courting of the public-religion sentiment, and his rock-star pose. The last two decades have made me intolerant of anything that smacks of “seeming.” I want the real deal.
Suzanne @ 67
Wonderful news, Suzanne!
Solai- It really is an oversight issue – the SEC’s oversight. Imagine the stock market without the SEC looking over everyone’s shoulder checking the books. Hedge funds exist in a vacuum. A hedge fund can profit from a market decline or even the failure of the Egyptian cotton crop or whatever is ‘hedged’.
dakine01 @ 26
How may I provide you with excellent coverage today?
Pardon the OT.
I’m in NYC listening to Randi Rhodes on the stream from San Diego.
She had someone on named Wayne Masden (sp), someone she relys on who is saying that Dick Cheney is on the DC madam phone list big time.
She’s calling for folks to call the various ethics committees to have the DC madam and Jeff Gannon hauled before Congress to testify on a number of relevant issues.
Thought folks ere might want to give her a hand.
Update:
She also said something about ABC being given the exclusive and then killing the story…
Solai @ 51, I don’t know what hedge funds are either. I have heard Edwards is invested in them and doing well. He reportedly said it’s connected to his poverty mantra.
I confess I am not very enthused about any of the Democratic candidates. They may be qualified to well qualified, but something is missing. Of course, the Republic candidates are total loonies.
The New Yorker article on Obama left me clueless as to what he’s all about. I’ll read it again.
Just went to all the network news websites. Not on there yet.
punaise @ 49
I don’t trust Obama much, charming as he seems to be. So far, I like Edwards. Clinton is slightly more palatable than slime on a rock. Or maybe not, now that I think about it.
Suzanne @ 67
I haven’t seen it but I can’t say I’m surprised. One of Carol Lam’s last acts as US attorney was to return the original indictment against him. Wilkes also has connections to Jerry Lewis IIRC.
NPR
Bill Moyer’s Journal
Mitt Romney speaking at Regent University’s Graduation
interview with Pat Robertson, etc……..interesting, in depth. where they all go after they graduate.
watch it.
opened with Harry serving-where’s the Bush family?
smapdi @ 75
And, if you happen to make any money on your hedge, the salesperson makes 20% of your profit. It’s very risky.
greenwarrior @ 80
I don’t either. We’ve had a few in-depth discussions at Americablog about Obama. Something is out of synch. There’s something underlying that veneer that sends off all kinds of crazy signals…bells, whistles, flying froot loops, sirens… et al.
smapdi @ 75
So, when the question came up in the debate was that millionaire code for ‘are you gonna mess with my money’?
Prez: Gore
VP: Hagel
Sec State: Obama
Sec Def: Webb
I think Obama needs to cut his teeth in a cabinet position first. I see him as a great Secretary of State immediately replacing the need for people like Karen Hughes and stupid programs designed to catapult our propaganda upon the people of the middle east and beyond.
I also think an Obama/Hagel ticket or some formation of a reasonable Republican and a Democrat together could really be what this country needs.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 34
I think I’m with you, OKK. Not sure because I reserve the right to change my mind several times during the next few months. Anyway, Obama just strikes me as too “Madison Avenue” and HRC is too establishment (along with some of the other candidates).
Kucinic just seems weird to me, but I’m still paying attention. I wonder if he’s “electable”. He would make a great cabinet member, if not prez. And watching Edwards of course(though, goodness gracious, put your arm around your wife when announcing medical problems! )
I don’t know about Gore. Seems like a “do-over” but I like what he stands for, fer sure.
JMHO
It’s been said before and I’ll say it again. I will support the Democratic nominee…period.
But, I hope it’s Edwards.
dmac @ 82
You. are. sh*tting. me. What a knucklehead.
Bush spoke at St. Vincent (?) in Latrobe PA with nuns protesting on the street.
the PBS Bill Moyers show is saying where all the Regent University graduates have gone in the Bush administration, what a lot of pups have been asking, he is telling………
wtf @ 60
absolutely what i intend to do. i think we’ve all had ample evidence of what many of us were saying in 2000 and 2004 – that there is a difference between democrats and republicans and that it can get worse. that sums it about up for me.
Speaker Pelosi is my Great White Hope.
solai @ 85
So, when the question came up in the debate was that millionaire code for ‘are you gonna mess with my money’?
–
Could be, but could also be “what are your plans to head off an economic crisis caused by hedge funds”
Still nothing about Foggo on news sites. Can’t check TV. Basketball is on. Mustn’t touch remote.
HeirofPatriots @ 36
I’m not fer im, or agin im, yet. But, in comparing Obama and Clinton, I think it was Josh Marshall (or someone over there) that posted a list of Obama’s and Clinton’s Senate votes. I don’t think they differed on more than a couple votes, if that. Things being as partisan as they are – that may be expected, but I was still surprised. Peas in a pod people.
dmac @ 61
yer so welcome, head held high, good nutrition, good friends, good attitude, yer doin’ good.
TRex is chopping vegetables as we speak, and then we’re gonna watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Good times.
Very smart post, Jane. Very very smart.
dmac @ 90
So much for distancing yourself…
Hugh @ 65
perfect analysis, imho.
“savaging”.
It’s like saying
“don’t go around savaging your spouse just because he/she lies, cheats, sleeps around and spends all the household money, and besides, he/she is not as bad as your ex! a truly manipulative, nasty peice of work.
Why, every even numbered year he/she says the sweetest things – you must forgive and give them another chance!
After all, we’re married, so don’t even think about looking at any dirty 3rd party candidates…”
Sorry, the left is NOT married to the Donkey party, and if we stopped acting so codependent, maybe we wouldn’t get betrayed all the time?
It’s like Lucy always yanking the football when Charlie Brown tries to kick it, ffs.
Democrats. Listen. Do not compromise with the Republicans. On anything. I’m being very serious here.
Memo to Hill and Barack:
Watch. Listen. Learn.
Moyers is on now….if you can get to the TV, this is a must watch. He’s covering the scandal….from Regent to Monica and Griffin….he’s doing what FDL does and what the MSM doesn’t.
dmac @ 90
Bill Moyers is an American. And he is an Oklahoman. ;0)
ManagedChaos @ 86
Other than the war which it took him way too long to become against, Hagel is about as far right wing as you can get. Do you really want a replay of Bush’s brain/Darth Cheney economic policies? For example, Hagel voted FOR Cornyn’s ludicrous bill to do away completely with the Fed minimum wage.
FWIW, the “Unity08″ candidates will most likely be McCain Lieberman as they’re about the only ones who buy into Broder’s “Third way” nonsense.
Reality is, except for the 28%ers, a honestly constructed poll would show the vast majority of the voters in favor of Dem policies. Why do you think the Redubyacans have to lie and steal elections? They can’t present their policies honestly or they wouldn’t even win dog catcher races.
holding out for Gore, but steadily losing hope that he will run.
john in sacramento @ 102
Oh, thanks for posting the link. I mentioned this earlier how cathartic it was. Don’t miss it firedogs.
Just the right amount of sarcasm. My fantasy 15 minutes of fame right dere on teevee.
Why would the super rich start trending Democratic especialy the younger ones who are supporting Obama? Is the guilt of being rich when others are poor which manifests itself as the famous Liberal Guilt or the less famous Hatred of poor people/worship of being wealthy, getting wealthy trending toward the Guilt swing of the pendulum again? Could the excess of Newt and the stupidity of Bush have produced a societal counter reaction could the super rich have looked at those two while growing up and said I don’t want to be like them?
Unity08 – feh, pshaw, etc.
if you have the stomach for it here’s an interview found at Robert Sheer’s truthdig.com
smapdi @ 92
hmmmm…must consult w/ my friend the financial wizard. No personal experience w/ this and it seems to keep popping up. Last time he was here, I made him explain the up side of the declining dollar. That was the price of dinner.
Sally @ 92
I like our Speaker. ;0)
Matt Stoller @ 97
Thanks, Matt. Coming from you…
Thank you (who?) for at last finding the elusive caption to that picture.
According to the Sacramento Bee’s website, it is on the AP wire and is authored by:
By ALLISON HOFFMAN – Associated Press Writer
Published 5:37 pm PDT Friday, May 11, 2007
Jane Hamsher @ 96
TRex is chopping vegetables as we speak, and then we’re gonna watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Good times.
TRex and Veggies??? Where’s the Beef??? Is the Carnivore, we all love and adore, switching Sides??? ;)
loo hoo at 68-
i left you a message at the other thread when you first asked, whichever that one was.
no big deal, was only wanting to verify-was waiting for a slow thread,
saw an email addy one night that said terry, and threw me, had been out of town and missed a lot.
only wondered because when i first came to the lake we bonded…….wanted to know if it was you, really. that was it. just something that was hanging out there and wanted to know.
and believe me, bill moyers journal, everyone watch it……..even goes into judges from Regent University……..quite revealing and appalling at the same time. culture wars. in depth.
Gore. I lament this man not running.
Edwards is now my choice.
Jane Hamsher @ 96
TRex is chopping vegetables as we speak, and then we’re gonna watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Good times.
Yay! Is Kobe at his feet looking up with adoring eyes?
Breaking News, Firepups! Brad “The Shloz” it taking a long nap and regrets he cannot testify before your committee. Please go Cheney yourselves and put the video on QTube so all the non-partisan lawyers at DOJ can enjoy it. Yours truly, The Department Of Omerta — Justice, that’s it! Justice…
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..014094.php
lolo @ 70
OT, but cool:
Speaking of emptywheel, Noon eastern tomorrow (Sat), C-Span 2 broadcasts Marcy’s 46 minute speech on her book, Anatomy of Deceit!
solai @ 109
and who says financial wizards don’t have a heart?
Here’s a link to the Foggo/Wilkes story.
New charges filed against former top CIA official, contractor
http://www.fresnobee.com/384/story/47208.html
ManagedChaos @ 86
What qualifications do you think Obama has to be Secretary of State, I’m wondering? This isn’t snark, it’s a real question.
newtonusr @ 120
thanks!
The pix at the top. Yuk.
dick c @ 122
…an ABC affiliate too
Alfred Kelgarries @ 119
Mr Sergeant at Arms, do your duty and bring the defendant before this committee. The Government’s business takes precedence over vacations. But nice try schmuck.
So Mitt’s the richest? At $250m, he’s about as rich as Cheney, but way behind Rumsfeld.
Here’s a San Francisco Chronicle link to the Foggo Wilkes story – same AP article.
Wasn’t the original indictment filed by Lam just days before she was forced out the door? Why the new indictment?
punaise @ 106
what he said.
Suzanne @ 129
At a quick glance thirty counts against dusty now vs eleven in first indictment please increased counts against wilkes and another new defendant.
greenwarrior @ 118
Yay! Is Kobe at his feet looking up with adoring eyes?
Yes but the one who is really smitten with him is Lucy. (No, we haven’t told her yet.)
FYI, new thread
jane at 96
Good times.
too funny!!!!!!!!!!!
my best friend who just got her knee replaced, who i went to pay nursemaid—–her favorite show is buffy, she has all of the seasons, we couldn’t find season two..missing in her house somewhere, i couldn’t find it…i brought season three home with me…..i wouldn’t have watched them in a million years without her translations….almost crosses my line of blood and gore….
funny…….and i fed her good food while i was there, chopping veggies and such………she got me hooked on buffy, we watched buffy constantly……….she and her husband are my best friends, for 30 years……they met trying to keep track of me with each other when i went missing in the big city, they are not allowed to compare stories……..
glad trex is giving you respite. watch that tail.
New Thread
I’d like to hear Hillary’s answer to one question. Why do you want to be president?
Suzanne @ 128
Perhaps this…..
It’s Christy and it’s a Libby update!
Lucrezia BorgiaLurita Doan is on my teevee!And not in jail.
epu’d again
i didn’t even see it coming….
dakine01 @ 105
I can’t think of a worse ticket than McCain/Lieberman. One is senile and the other Israel’s b*tch. Heck, they’re both Israel’s b*tch. Wait, who isn’t Israel’s b*tch? Name them and they get my vote. Oh yeah, I’m a Jew from Long Island.
Edited * and released by Mod
do-si-do @ 107
i like it :-}
Suzanne @ 129
Marcy weighs in, tangentially.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 136
No doubt EPU’ed, but “To advance the good of the people” is not the answer.
Re Edwards and hedge funds:
http://www.newsmax.com/archive…..3926.shtml
solai @ 51
Haven’t had a chance to read all the responses in this thread but here’s the quick & dirty on hedge funds:
The ultra-rich invest in them.
They shy away from regulation like a vampire hides from sunlight.
The last time a really big one collapsed (Long Term Capital Management), it almost took down our financial markets with it.
Greenspan had to call all the major banks and brokerage firms into his office with checkbooks in hand to fix it.
“To avoid the threat of a systemic crisis in the world financial system, the Federal Reserve orchestrated a $3.5 billion rescue package from leading U.S. investment and commercial banks.”
Link to article
Edwards worked with one that was found to have a significant position in sub-prime loans, which are now imploding across the country.
Hence the controversy.
Risen’s thesis makes perfect sense. You can only triangulate for so many decades before every corner’s angles are really, really tight. Hillary’s an inveterate triangulator, Obama’s a tyro triangulator. If you want somebody who will govern like Hillary would have governed twenty or so years ago, then Obama’s your candidate.
If anyone is still here….thank you
greenwarrior @ 123
Obama studied international relations and has lived overseas for one thing but do you really want to talk about qualifications? What qualifications did Kindasleezy Rice need to be Sec of State? Being the worst National Security Advisor in the history of this great country? What qualifications did Gonzo need to be AG? What qualifications did Karen Hughes have to run public diplomacy and public affairs throughout the world?
The bottom line is this: I am more confident that Obama would surround himself with smart people rather than the Bushies surrounding themselves with loyalists. I’m neither a Republican nor a Democrat and certainly not an Obama cheerleader but Obama’s worldly attributes and his charisma could be used to regain some of that lost credibility in the world community.
punaise @ 106
I’m a fellow holdout as well; I think it’s too early to lose hope. The longer he can hold out, the less crap he has to deal with now.
The moment he announces all the nonsense begins; the campaign bus rides, the nonstop press scrutiny, “what’s your position on _____” asked of you all day everyday.
Who in their right mind would sign up for that one day early?
newtonusr @ 120
Whao, kewl! My Saturday plans have been adjusted.
dick c @ 122
Thanks, hope they can nail him.
things come undone @ 108
Could they want to own the next government? Assuming it is democratic.
all those who support a third party in 2008 are ensuring a rethuglican victory; it’s really just that simple
like those who voted for nader
sometimes i wonder if nader isn’t the best thing that ever happened to karl rove …
Um, didn’t I see somewhere that TNR is now (or soon will be) the Joe Lieberman semi-weekly? (Saying something interesting, but apparently beyond TNR’s comprehension, about the level of demand for a Joe Lieberman Weekly.)
Alfred Kelgarries @ 119
Okay, Brad. But no fishing on Lake Tahoe at dusk, OK?
Late to the thread but it’s been a beautiful day in the tall timber.
Rightwing flagpole (as in “run it up the RW flagpole and see if it sells”) and mediocre entertainer Rush Limphead was really trashing Edwards today on his job as a hedge fund advisor consultant, whatever it was. Bet he wouldn’t be so quick to trash Edwards if he were suing the oxycontin pushers. Hey, anybody heard him calling for those drug dealers to be going to prison? No? Didn’t think so….
Edwards is the real one who rouses fear in the hearts of the Rethuglicans… and he can rally the firefighters. Edwards is the one who will have room at the “inn” as young turks will come to realize.
And when he shaves his hair in solidarity with Elizabeth and other cancer survivors, it’s gonna blow a hole right through the CW on this race.
That and his cred to be able to point to the need for well-reasoned regulation to prevent more Enron-style thugs looking for new ways to crank up granny’s monthly energy bill…or price at the gas pump.
The Neocons want Hillary but fear Edwards.
Funding Obama keeps Edwards back in the pack.
It’s a setup.
Damnit! Yer quote function aint’ workin’. Anyway, it’s appalling that even here on FDL you find Obamaites cauterwauling about ‘Hope’ and ‘The Man’ and similar drivel.
Look what his country needs is a politics of policy not personality. Whether a person is black or a woman is irrelevant as to their deserving of progressive support.
Totally beside the point.
It’s what policies they would implement that matters.
Obama and Hillary are ‘Money Party’ tools plain and simple. If you support either you are not a progressive and need to scurry on over to FreeperLand where you belong.
“Obama outstrips Clinton”
Hmmm… I don’t much care for this construction, umm, well, because those two acts would appeal to different audiences. Don’t ya think?
A lot of us who have followed Hillary Clinton’s protracted, ongoing battle with the Bush Admin over funds to track and treat sick firefighters and other ground zero workers suspect she may have the firefighters union endorsement sown up.
Here’s a piece in today’s NY Daily News:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new…..print.html
Is that why Barak phoned it in?
wtf @ 154
actually, it depends on who starts a third party. if Brownback or Gingrich were to do it and Giuliani was the GOP candidate the Dems would walk off with it. i don’t want to rile any lurking Naderites but he certainly wasn’t to the right of Gore. you can draw your own conclusions.
as to the Obama Hillary Edwards triangle, i like Edwards simply because
1. he’s willing to take a stand and
2.he seems to be less in somebody’s back pocket.
i’d vote for Gore in a New York minute but he hasn’t given any indication that he’s even considering a run. the longer he does that the more i’m inclined to start dating John. i’ll definitely be a lot less disposed towards Gore if he is being coy and then jumps in around November or December. if that is the game for this next election some movers and shakers out to go knocking on Russ Feingold’s door. now, he is the man as far as i’m concerned.
John Edwards is paying his dues now. that alone shouldn’t guarantee him anything, but at least in my book it means something. every day that goes by makes him look better and better to me.
i mean, i do think that about obamma
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Why do posters on this webpage continue to disparage Obama, and extoll Edwards? I don’t get it. Obama is probably the most intellectually capable, most genuine candidate the democrats have to offer. If anyone has read the New Yorker piece on him, he is the best candidate to attract the much-needed moderate conservatives, and is the concilliatory candidate amongst this bunch of partisans and political opportunists. He is tough (telling Australia’s president to go pound sand and send more of his troops when he criticized Obama’s stance on the surge was brilliant–you have to notice that the Repubs are scared of this guy because he puts up a fight), quick-minded, and would solidify the progressive mindset prevalent in our society because we, as a society, are more than willing to support someone based on his abilities, not his skin.
Edwards? He is everything that is WRONG with politics: he is smarmy, he is disingenious (the “people’s” candidate who eats at Wendys, but buys the typical house associated with new money and conspicious consumption; his daughter is a new money Manhatten socialite, a proto-typical “people can eat cake” vixen who embodies everything Edward’s backers despise, and anyone who continually accepts his numerous mistakes and passes it off as opportunities to clarify his stance, gets TWO $400 haircuts, fluffs his hair endlessly on camera for all of Youtube world to see, and trots out his wife–yes, he trotted her out for the whole world to feel sorry for him and get a boast in his ratings, and trotted out the memory of his dead son the next week, simply saying that he is still struggling with the demons. One WEEK after he sees the boast in his numbers after his wife’s announcement–is someone who does not get my vote.
Edwards has no substance, he genuflects way too much to the poll numbers, is completely disingenious “man of the people” and can’t stop doing that damn thumbs-halfway up sign. Why does everyone continue to support this guy?
Obama for President. Evan Biah for Vice President.