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		<title>By: Cranky Observer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-688164</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 20:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&gt; Libby is at a disadvantage for the&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; presentencing report, however, because he was&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; convicted rather than pleading guilty. The&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; sentencing guidelines provide leniency for&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; those who accept responsibility for their&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; crimes and cooperate, but since Libby continues&lt;br /&gt;
&gt;  to contest his conviction, he will very likely&lt;br /&gt;
&gt;  struggle to show remorse about crimes he still&lt;br /&gt;
&gt; contends he didn’t commit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have no brief for Irving Libby, but I have never understood why this “process” isn’t considered double jeopardy and held grossly unconstitutional.  It is clearly unjust to require a person to prove his innocence (yes, I know what the book says; the fact is the defendent is pretty much required to prove innocence in 99.5% of criminal cases) and then double-penalize him for making the (constitutinally-protected) attempt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cranky&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Libby is at a disadvantage for the<br />
&gt; presentencing report, however, because he was<br />
&gt; convicted rather than pleading guilty. The<br />
&gt; sentencing guidelines provide leniency for<br />
&gt; those who accept responsibility for their<br />
&gt; crimes and cooperate, but since Libby continues<br />
&gt;  to contest his conviction, he will very likely<br />
&gt;  struggle to show remorse about crimes he still<br />
&gt; contends he didn’t commit.</p>
<p>I have no brief for Irving Libby, but I have never understood why this “process” isn’t considered double jeopardy and held grossly unconstitutional.  It is clearly unjust to require a person to prove his innocence (yes, I know what the book says; the fact is the defendent is pretty much required to prove innocence in 99.5% of criminal cases) and then double-penalize him for making the (constitutinally-protected) attempt.</p>
<p>Cranky</p>
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		<title>By: hychka</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-687635</link>
		<dc:creator>hychka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 14:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/000559.htm&quot;&gt;Libby sentencing game&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pretty good!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Pretty good!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fairfax</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-687614</link>
		<dc:creator>Fairfax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 13:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do federal probation officers serve at the “pleasure of the president”?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do federal probation officers serve at the “pleasure of the president”?</p>
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		<title>By: deandra</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-687509</link>
		<dc:creator>deandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 11:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What’s truly sad is that all this business about Libby’s sentencing is irrelevant.  He’s going to be pardoned by Bush at the speed of light.  Republicans don’t let courts of law define them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s truly sad is that all this business about Libby’s sentencing is irrelevant.  He’s going to be pardoned by Bush at the speed of light.  Republicans don’t let courts of law define them.</p>
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		<title>By: larue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-687389</link>
		<dc:creator>larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 07:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686864&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jayt @ 41&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Libby is at a disadvantage for the presentencing report, however, because he was convicted rather than pleading guilty. The sentencing guidelines provide leniency for those who accept responsibility for their crimes and cooperate, but since Libby continues to contest his conviction, he will very likely struggle to show remorse about crimes he still contends he didn’t commit.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The unavoidable rock and hard place for any defendant planning an appeal. The best Libby can possibly do at sentnecing is “I’m really sorry all this happened, &lt;b&gt;but&lt;/b&gt; it wasn’t my fault/intent.” That’s all he can possibly say with an appeal in the works.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The real question, imho, is whether he stays free on bond until the completion of the appellate process.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My bet is that he stays out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How soon before these folks begin to ‘disappear’ from the streets? :grin:&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686864"><em>jayt @ 41</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>Libby is at a disadvantage for the presentencing report, however, because he was convicted rather than pleading guilty. The sentencing guidelines provide leniency for those who accept responsibility for their crimes and cooperate, but since Libby continues to contest his conviction, he will very likely struggle to show remorse about crimes he still contends he didn’t commit.</i></p>
<p>The unavoidable rock and hard place for any defendant planning an appeal. The best Libby can possibly do at sentnecing is “I’m really sorry all this happened, <b>but</b> it wasn’t my fault/intent.” That’s all he can possibly say with an appeal in the works.</p>
<p>The real question, imho, is whether he stays free on bond until the completion of the appellate process.</p>
<p>My bet is that he stays out.</p>
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<p>How soon before these folks begin to ‘disappear’ from the streets? :grin:</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-687201</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 05:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686911&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cassandra @ 81&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT but… Profuse apologies to those who have responded to my comments in previous threads but got nothing back from me!  These threads fill up faster than I can read them and by the time I go back to answer, the thread is closed and people have moved on.  I enjoy the comments here very much however, even as a lurker.  In time I’ll get to know you all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Apologies also to Cassie for appropriating her name.  I used to be a member of Truthout’s forum until they closed it down last fall and Cassandra is the name I used.  I’d like to keep it in case I ever run across any of my old chums.  But I think Snarkassandra is a fine name and I’ve enjoyed your comments.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was the Libby trial liveblogging that lured me here, and I’ve stayed!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cassandra,&lt;br /&gt;
I think we may have crossed paths over at Truthout. Or maybe MyDD?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686911"><em>Cassandra @ 81</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT but… Profuse apologies to those who have responded to my comments in previous threads but got nothing back from me!  These threads fill up faster than I can read them and by the time I go back to answer, the thread is closed and people have moved on.  I enjoy the comments here very much however, even as a lurker.  In time I’ll get to know you all.</p>
<p>Apologies also to Cassie for appropriating her name.  I used to be a member of Truthout’s forum until they closed it down last fall and Cassandra is the name I used.  I’d like to keep it in case I ever run across any of my old chums.  But I think Snarkassandra is a fine name and I’ve enjoyed your comments.</p>
<p>It was the Libby trial liveblogging that lured me here, and I’ve stayed!</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Cassandra,<br />
I think we may have crossed paths over at Truthout. Or maybe MyDD?</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-687197</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 05:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686844&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Petrocelli @ 23&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686824&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jane Hamsher @ 7&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OMFG&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nysun.com/article/54262?page_no=1&quot;&gt;Judy Miller reviews George Tenet&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think I’m in irony overload.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We were giving EW some love yesterday, during the Abu Roast at FDL. Sending love to you, Christy and everyone who makes FDL so great.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Me, too! JANE!!! CHRISTY!!! EW!!!&lt;br /&gt;
Love ya lots!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686844"><em>Petrocelli @ 23</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-686824"><em>Jane Hamsher @ 7</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OMFG</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/54262?page_no=1">Judy Miller reviews George Tenet</a>.</p>
<p>I think I’m in irony overload.</p>
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<p>We were giving EW some love yesterday, during the Abu Roast at FDL. Sending love to you, Christy and everyone who makes FDL so great.</p>
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<p>Me, too! JANE!!! CHRISTY!!! EW!!!<br />
Love ya lots!!!</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-687120</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 04:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;At last! Another Libby fix! Its about time!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last! Another Libby fix! Its about time!</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-687057</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 04:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;PLovering @ 105&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;-  ‘… Iraq asked us to come to their country’ lie&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I &lt;em&gt;totally&lt;/em&gt; agree with Condi, except they got the translation wrong … Saddam said “KISS my ass!”, not “KILL my ass!” *g*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLovering @ 105<br />
<em>-  ‘… Iraq asked us to come to their country’ lie<br />
</em></p>
<p>I <em>totally</em> agree with Condi, except they got the translation wrong … Saddam said “KISS my ass!”, not “KILL my ass!” *g*</p>
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		<title>By: PLovering</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/11/libby-sentencing-news-update/#comment-687046</link>
		<dc:creator>PLovering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 04:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686980&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;solai @ 102&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686963&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;PLovering @ 100&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686830&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scarecrow @ 12&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT — on Bill Moyers, interviewing Marilyn B. Young, author of (guessing) &lt;em&gt;Iraq and the Lessons of Vietnam&lt;/em&gt; = a possible candidate for Book Salon?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Comments by Condi Rice on Bill Moyers this evening caught my attention. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I did not know that the Iraqi government invited us to invade their country.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The clips of Condi were amazing. She’s quite the liar. Did Rose challenge her on any of those lies.&lt;br /&gt;
You know, I think our press is just not quick on their feet. No bias intended, just not quick enough or knowledgable enough to challenge the lies. But anyone would be able to challenge the ‘Iraq asked us to come to their country’ lie. Unless she was referring to Chalabi.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rose was struck dumb by Condi’s outrageous  string of lies.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Flabbergasted, eyes darting all over the place, grim lips.  His brain exploded.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686980"><em>solai @ 102</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-686963"><em>PLovering @ 100</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-686830"><em>Scarecrow @ 12</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT — on Bill Moyers, interviewing Marilyn B. Young, author of (guessing) <em>Iraq and the Lessons of Vietnam</em> = a possible candidate for Book Salon?</p>
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<p>Comments by Condi Rice on Bill Moyers this evening caught my attention. </p>
<p>I did not know that the Iraqi government invited us to invade their country.</p>
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<p>The clips of Condi were amazing. She’s quite the liar. Did Rose challenge her on any of those lies.<br />
You know, I think our press is just not quick on their feet. No bias intended, just not quick enough or knowledgable enough to challenge the lies. But anyone would be able to challenge the ‘Iraq asked us to come to their country’ lie. Unless she was referring to Chalabi.</p>
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<p>Rose was struck dumb by Condi’s outrageous  string of lies.  </p>
<p>Flabbergasted, eyes darting all over the place, grim lips.  His brain exploded.</p>
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