It's time for a bit of a Libby case update. Thought everyone might like a bit of scheduling information, as well as some bits and pieces on sentencing and other news. There have been a few extraneous motions and other filings over the last few weeks, most of which consisted of a notice of intent to appeal and a request for an extension on the filing of the appeal and other matters. It was a long trial and getting even an expedited transcript takes quite a while, and you need to file motions to the court based on exact quotes and information, not on your own personal notes — that must come from an official transcript. So requests for a bit of a delay were neither unusual nor unexpected.
Any appeal documents and post-trial motions filed for argument prior to sentencing will be interesting. But it is really the presentence investigation report that everyone is waiting for at this point.
What is that, you ask?
This is a pretty good description and update on where things stand at the moment: (via Will Sullivan from USN&WR)
Libby's lawyers and special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will get their hands on the report May 15, but the document will not be publicly released–not before Libby's June 5 sentencing nor after. The report will include a probation officer's calculation of what sentence Libby should receive under federal guidelines and a judgment on whether the case merits a different sentence. Lawyers on both sides can contest parts of the report, and the judge ultimately can depart from its findings, but it will serve as a kind of first draft of the eventual sentence.
The presentence investigation is done by a federal probation officer, and is put together via a review of documents, testimony, evidence in the case, and other materials that the jury may have reviewed in coming to a verdict; several interviews and discussions with the defendant and persons identified by the defense team as being able to vouch for the defendant's character; FBI agents and other investigators who may have either interviewed the defendant or investigated this matter; and a whole host of other information. Judges take these reports very seriously, and they often form a very solid foundation for how the judge views sentencing considerations in terms of the federal guidelines applications. All of this is designed to give the probation officer writing the report a well-rounded picture of who exactly the defendant is, and whether or not said defendant has accepted responsibility for the crimes for which he has been found guilty.
And thus the dilemma for Scooter Libby.
Libby is at a disadvantage for the presentencing report, however, because he was convicted rather than pleading guilty. The sentencing guidelines provide leniency for those who accept responsibility for their crimes and cooperate, but since Libby continues to contest his conviction, he will very likely struggle to show remorse about crimes he still contends he didn't commit.
"His lawyers necessarily are hamstrung in their ability to contextualize the offense, given that they have asserted innocence from the get-go," says Douglas Berman, an Ohio State University law professor.
Libby's eventual sentence may depend on the probation officer and the judge's degree of sympathy for him. If he comes off as an unlucky fall guy for higher White House officials, as he apparently did for several jurors who convicted him in March, Libby could be free earlier than the guidelines suggest. But that same refusal to shift blame to his bosses could be read as obstinacy, an impression that might not bode well for Libby's future.
I can tell you from personal experience that not only do probation officers take the writing of these reports and the compiling of this information very seriously — but they generally frown on people who tell them half-truths, who try to downplay culpibility, who refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions, and especially those who refuse to be fully and completely honest with them. In other words, should be an interesting read when it's written up, wouldn't you say?
The presentence investigation report is due to the court on May 15th. And Libby's sentencing is scheduled, at least at this point, for June 5th. Jeralyn has a great walk through of sentencing guidelines calculations and range potential for the Libby case that are well worth a read, for folks who want a peek.
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ZeD☼
HA! Libby! Hi Christy!
FITZ! For old times sake…)
‘Evenin’, Christy!
Would the shorter version of this be: “He nearly snowed a jury, but he won’t be able to fool an officer of the court”?
So. Will there be a pardon post sentence pronouncement?
Who is this guest on Moyers? She is ripping a new one for Condi and Bush.
OMFG
Judy Miller reviews George Tenet.
I think I’m in irony overload.
Nope, no pardon. Scooter original sin was getting caught. When Cheney admitted that he’d never called him after his conviction, that said it all.
I`m hoping for something along the lines of “full extent of the law”.
“If you don’t know what your government is doing, you don’t live in a democracy.” – Jane Anne Morris
Christy!
OT, but I responded to your email, with further thoughts.
Thanks for the update. I don’t know how you keep up.
Jane Hamsher @ 7
I saw that earlier today. She called him self-serving a couple of times. Pot meet kettle.
OT — on Bill Moyers, interviewing Marilyn B. Young, author of (guessing) Iraq and the Lessons of Vietnam = a possible candidate for Book Salon?
Hugh @ 11
Yeah and they’re making her accept comments. They are not kind.
Judy Judy Judy is now writing book reviews for the New York Sun?
Geez, Louise, she was still able to piss me off by the second paragraph. Her partisanslip is showing.
Jane Hamsher >
That is what those circuit breakers are for. When they pop ya just reset them and go on with things.
Did she say anything about the aspens ?
“Against stupidity, the very gods themselves must contend in vain.” – Friedrich von Shille
Scarecrow @ 12
This person (Young) is excellent.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 16
Yep. Incredibly articulate.
Re: Libby sentencing
John Sirica wrote the book in Watergate:
Take judicial notice of the general cesspool in which Libby waded, and throw the book at him to see if he would like to cut a deal and help drain it.
Crack him.
Character witnesses? Is there anyway Jane or Marcy can submit their input? You couldn’t find more knowledgeable people on the planet.
Will FDL be live-blogging the sentencing?
June 5th is the day Paris goes to jail. Maybe the MSM will connect the 2 jailbirds and he will get some air time. yea right. What if Abu pressures the judge? Christy…..
Anyone ever figure out who Harriet was referring to with the ‘we’ll f*** ‘em” remark?
solai @ 21
Founding Fathers?
Jane Hamsher @ 7
We were giving EW some love yesterday, during the Abu Roast at FDL. Sending love to you, Christy and everyone who makes FDL so great.
Thanks for the update Christy!
Not exactly epu’d from downstairs, but…
emptywheel on C-Span 2-
Noon eastern tomorrow (Sat), C-Span 2 broadcasts Marcy’s 46 minute speech on her book, Anatomy of Deceit!
Hey Jane,
How about Tenet for a book salon. Can you imagine. He would think he died and went to hell. He would get shredded. But he doesn’t know that, can you ask him? Please!
lolo
newtonusr @ 24
Thanks! I love her.
More Marilyn B. Young, please. To think of all the wrong-headed or merely clueless pundits who populate the cable shows and Sunday news shows, and here is this woman with spot-on commentary about Condi, the war, etc. A big thank you to Bill Moyers. If there is a YouTube of the show, I’d love to circulate it to some of the silly shows–they might like her for her bluntness and because she is a new face.
Albert Fall reminds us of Judge John Sirica. I seem to remember that he sent the Watergate burglars to jail pending appeal, and that was one of the things that broke them. I could not confirm that with teh Google, so anybody remember this?
lolo @ 25
Now, that’s just cruel and vicious. I approve, of course.
Hmmm, isn’t Judge Walton known as “Long Ball” Walton?
In short, doesn’t he generally give the MAX allowable upon conviction?
Christy — you’ve got mail. Thank you.
lolo @ 25
he was on jon stewart for heaven’s sake. he fears nothing, that anti-depressant he uses must be industrial grade…
JustWondering @ 30
Even if that weren’t so, Walton bent over backwards trying to give Scooter’s lawyers room to make their case, and by the end they had pretty much squandered his good will. So if sympathy from the judge is a factor, Scooter may be in trouble.
CityGirl @ 27
I think PBS has video on their website.
i kept tellin’ you all to watch the bill moyers show…..i don’t say if it isn’t worth your time…..it was a keeper……..on pbs………watch it, had a ton of stuff in it………harry the prince, regent university in depth and where there grads are…..iraq……too much to mention, you missed out, see it on the web
jane sent you an email
nite all, love you pups.
EvilDrPuma @ 29
i’m hoping this is not a slam dunk.
Throw the freakin’ book at him. And not some little book, either. Not The Pet Goat or Hungry Hungry Caterpiller. Something fat. Harry Potter perhaps. A fresh new hardback, with pointy edges, and a crispy dust-jacket that will leave a nasty paper cut.
Jane@7 and Hugh@11, I was just reminiscing on all the malarkey Judy was spewing during the Run-up and Occupation of Iraq!!! While reading her critique, I thought to myself, where was her skepticism then!!! The MSM echo chamber knows no bounds, shows no shame!!! :P!!!
JustWondering @ 30
Yes and he also ruled Sibel Edmonds a state secret.
greenwarrior @ 36
Tenet may think he’s plumbing the depths of regret over those words, but I think he can go deeper.
Libby is at a disadvantage for the presentencing report, however, because he was convicted rather than pleading guilty. The sentencing guidelines provide leniency for those who accept responsibility for their crimes and cooperate, but since Libby continues to contest his conviction, he will very likely struggle to show remorse about crimes he still contends he didn’t commit.
The unavoidable rock and hard place for any defendant planning an appeal. The best Libby can possibly do at sentnecing is “I’m really sorry all this happened, but it wasn’t my fault/intent.” That’s all he can possibly say with an appeal in the works.
The real question, imho, is whether he stays free on bond until the completion of the appellate process.
My bet is that he stays out.
dmac @ 35
night night dmac
cleter @ 37
War and Peace. It’s the perfect blend of irony and impact velocity.
dmac @ 35
Thanks for the head’s up. It’s on at 10:30 here
cleter @ 37
How about the Talisman hard cover, or a PDR.
CTuttle @ 38
Ah, but she was the reporter Libby knew would be sympathetic to the line that the CIA was wrong/incompetent, whereas the VP’s office knew the truth about Saddam. She’s still shilling.
lolo @ 26
Just DVR’ed IT!!! Mahalo!!! Marcy!!!
If you hear Ann Coulter’s out of jeapordy, you might want to read this:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/l….._0511.html
Scarecrow @ 46
I whole-heartedly Concur!!! It seems Ms. Judy is trying to atone for her sins!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 43
The set of Encyclopedia Brittanica that’s collecting dust in my basement.
EvilDrPuma @ 40
yes, for sure! and at least he’s regretting SOMEthing he did. judith miller, of take-us-to-war-now fame can only regret tenet. as okk might say, i find her regrettable. (pats self proudly on the back for being so civilized, when inwardly seething at the b*tch)
EvilDrPuma @ 43
LOL – in fact, choking on my dessert.
CTuttle @ 38
Hey CT, I see all MSM’s interviews of Tenet as being orchestrated by the White House and as the old adage goes, an enemy of my enemy is my friend. I say we take whatever info. Tenet can provide to skewer Bush & Co. and use it for just that purpose.
If Leahy & Co. gets Tenet, Richard Clarke, Ritter & O’Neill to testify before Congress, I think some very interesting things will be learnt. He seems to be holding back information the same way Comey was holding back, waiting for the right question, or perhaps the right time.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 48
Thanks for that!
It’s gratifying to see that the Feds may take a close look at this, but to read Arthur Anderson’s reference to a piece of slunkmeat like Coulter as a “celebrity” gives this lefty the willies.
greenwarrior @ 52
I feel an obligation to live up to my name.
solai @ 50
EvilDrPuma @ 43
cleter @ 37
Throw the freakin’ book at him. And not some little book, either. Not The Pet Goat or Hungry Hungry Caterpiller. Something fat. Harry Potter perhaps. A fresh new hardback, with pointy edges, and a crispy dust-jacket that will leave a nasty paper cut.
War and Peace. It’s the perfect blend of irony and impact velocity.
The set of Encyclopedia Brittanica that’s collecting dust in my basement.
I endorse the sheer volume of mass, but it would be an insult to Britannica!!!
OT. But watching Moyer, he just said, “Doesn’t God get tired of being introduced into the political scene, SHE has better things to do.” That was a great line!
Petrocelli @ 53
Oh Wise One, I agree, the more we learn, the better to ‘Hoist them on their own Petard’!!! :0!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 55
707 – thank goodness i finished the dessert before i read it.
CTuttle @ 58
Petrocelli @ 53
CTuttle @ 38
Jane@7 and Hugh@11, I was just reminiscing on all the malarkey Judy was spewing during the Run-up and Occupation of Iraq!!! While reading her critique, I thought to myself, where was her skepticism then!!! The MSM echo chamber knows no bounds, shows no shame!!! :P!!!
Hey CT, I see all MSM’s interviews of Tenet as being orchestrated by the White House and as the old adage goes, an enemy of my enemy is my friend. I say we take whatever info. Tenet can provide to skewer Bush & Co. and use it for just that purpose.
If Leahy & Co. gets Tenet, Richard Clarke, Ritter & O’Neill to testify before Congress, I think some very interesting things will be learnt. He seems to be holding back information the same way Comey was holding back, waiting for the right question, or perhaps the right time.
Oh Wise One, I agree, the more we learn, the better to ‘Hoist them on their own Petard’!!! :0!!!
I had Gandhi take over my body last night … a bit scary, yet tranquil … sending love to everyone I knew and didn’t know …
… kinda like John Lennon before Yoko. *g*
So sorry, I thought the limit was 3 quotes … (slinks away, head hung in shame)
Petrocelli, Gandhi, MLK, Mandela, etc… are more relevant today, than yesterday!!! It is a travesty the levels mankind has sunk to, across all religions, nationalities, ethnicity, gender,…!!! :(((!!!
Petrocelli @ 61
Uhoh, I’ll be back, I need to step away!!!
albert fall @ 18
The king will pardon him. Money on it. During Watergate Ford did the dirty work. Here, I’m sure Bush will be proud to honor this selfserving…er selfless American.
CTuttle @ 62
Fear not my good man, there are many to take their place.
We need only awaken to our highest potential … our inner light can dispel all darkness.
Petrocelli @ 23
Yes and Happy Mother’s Day to you both! KOBE! (that’s my American Eskimo’s name too!)
lolo @ 34
They do! They do!
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/jour…..index.html
dmac @ 35
Nighty-night.
OT – Billions in oil missing in Iraq, US study finds
Henry has to remind Hayden he wants Plame info:
Waxman to Hayden letter
dmac @ 35
Left-coasters have another 2.5 hrs for Journal. Can’t wait.
OT – News to me, is this news for you guys – Marcy?:
New charges filed against former top CIA official, contractor:
30 counts…. wow.
OT – Ex-WV-USA PO’d re AbuG/DOJ
Yo CHS!
newtonusr @ 54
I can’t make myself watch it. Anything new?
twolf1 @ 69
Jeebus! So much for securing the Oil Ministry.
neokneme @ 73
Where will this number top-out? 7, 8, 9, 10… and counting.
Between the oil and the missing pallets of US currency, the whole country/occupation exercise is a sieve.
And where/with whom do we think these ill gotten gains reside?
Terre @ 72
This is so ironic because they were trying to have it thrown out for leaking to the media. Now this. hahahahahahahahaha Nothing from EW on this yet. I already checked. I bet she is standing on her chair clapping and jumping up and down.
twolf1 @ 69
Well, if anyone asks why our gas prices are so high, just mention the missing oil – that might perk up the ears of those too stubborn to listen to the truth.
neokneme @ 73
holy shit another fired attorney!
OT but… Profuse apologies to those who have responded to my comments in previous threads but got nothing back from me! These threads fill up faster than I can read them and by the time I go back to answer, the thread is closed and people have moved on. I enjoy the comments here very much however, even as a lurker. In time I’ll get to know you all.
Apologies also to Cassie for appropriating her name. I used to be a member of Truthout’s forum until they closed it down last fall and Cassandra is the name I used. I’d like to keep it in case I ever run across any of my old chums. But I think Snarkassandra is a fine name and I’ve enjoyed your comments.
It was the Libby trial liveblogging that lured me here, and I’ve stayed!
CTuttle @ 56
War and Peace. It’s the perfect blend of irony and impact velocity.
The set of Encyclopedia Brittanica that’s collecting dust in my basement.
I endorse the sheer volume of mass, but it would be an insult to Britannica!!!
Hasn’t Her Majesty already suffered enough this week?
Christy -
Just been catching some BBC coverage a reverse diaspora back to Armenia esp. from U.S.
What was curious was the BBC analyst pointed out that repopulating a country “without having the rule of law in place” was probably not a good idea.
Just reinforcing your commmentary in so many Bush Admin hijinx and sidesteps that continue to erode things here.
Oh. And a USA/WVA now pops up:
http://www.localnewswatch.com/…..;id=107800
I dunno.
Just in case there’s something there….
——
As for Tenat’s book, throw THAT at Libby…
Weird how the NY/DC nexus gives us the ‘Judy and Woody Revue”.
edit: I see lolo and Yahoo! just tbeat me…
Thanks lolo – at least I’m not repeating. I also checked over at emptywheel’s place, and didn’t see anything either.
kirk murphy @ 82
The set of Encyclopedia Brittanica that’s collecting dust in my basement.
I endorse the sheer volume of mass, but it would be an insult to Britannica!!!
Hasn’t Her Majesty already suffered enough this week?
Good point, just throw Bush at him.
lolo @ 78
I vote for those thirty charges, if convicted, to be served consecutively…. Meanwhile, Scooter’s old buddy Wolfie is going from bad to worse too… his announced mgmt shakeup is proving to be little more than moving two aids to offices further away from his own, and bank employees have taken to wearing blue ribbons, symbolizing an end to corruption and, in particular, Wolfie’s firing.
We live in interesting times…
Washington DC, here’s my message to you for Christmas 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zzT92BmDu4
Got to hit the road. Goin’ to pick up the ’squeeze’. ;0)
Washington Post Editorial Board, Richard Perle Collude To Spin Pre-War Iraq Record
Cassandra @ 81
Cassandra welcome!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
Safe driving kiddo.
Cassandra @ 81
Welcome!
Send Snarkassandra some M & M’s and all will be cool (don’t tell TexBetsy).
Terre @ 72
Are these new? Thet seem splendeliciously convictable:
1. On this article, looks like Libby goes to the pokey for awhile. For me, the only suspense will be if the Judge immediately orders him to jail, or lets him stay free pending appeal. I hope for immediate jail….but I got a feeling he’ll be treated like Martha Stewart….free on bail during appeal.
2. missing Iraqi oil money: that’s Cheney’s friend Chalabi at work. He’s a thief.
Ghostman
kirk -
I’m assuming so. The article is dated today, posted about 4 hours ago, and says the indictments came down yesterday.
Sweet justice. Ya think Cunningham has reserved a couple places at the lunch table?
snicker, snicker
Arianna on Maher:
Bush is a delusional fool and fanatic.
Tell it sister!
New Thread
TRex has Faux Outrage upstairs
twolf1 @ 88
Good catch.
Terre @ 79
Bartcop says its being piped into Kuwait and sold as Kuwaiti oil. No meters, no accounting, and plenty of chaos to create a diversion.
Scarecrow @ 12
Comments by Condi Rice on Bill Moyers this evening caught my attention.
I did not know that the Iraqi government invited us to invade their country.
I don’t know the full story on Warner, the WV prosecutor who was fired. But, in WV no Repub is going to win the governor’s seat unless they’re very well known. In the most recent election where the Repub prosecutor’s brother ran for governor he was a virtual unknown and his opponent was nephew (I think) of a very very well known former politician (who should’ve been governor himself). It was a slam dunk election and the idiotic Warner family shouldn’t known better. Whether he was fired for political reasons is beyond me. I hope he was fired for sound reasons: it’s the romantic in me (I hope not everything the Bush people do is for corrupt stupid reasons).
PLovering @ 100
The clips of Condi were amazing. She’s quite the liar. Did Rose challenge her on any of those lies.
You know, I think our press is just not quick on their feet. No bias intended, just not quick enough or knowledgable enough to challenge the lies. But anyone would be able to challenge the ‘Iraq asked us to come to their country’ lie. Unless she was referring to Chalabi.
More really bad food news.
Even if you’ve never seen tofu, genetically modified soy is on your menu in the US.
You eat GM soy.
If you serve store-bought food to your family, you almost certainly serve GM soy.
And momma rats, if you eat GM soy, your babies’ll probably die young.
If you don’t sufffocate them and eat their brains first.
Oh – just a six hundred percent (600%) increase in deaths.
GM soy killed more than half the babay rats.
Hey – it could be worse. At least the momma rats above weren’t eating the Monsanto strain of GM soy.
The strain that makes momma rats suffocate their babies and eat their brains.
Oops – silly me. Both studies were done with Monsanto’s Round Up Ready GM Soy.
Happy Mother’s Day and Bon Appetit!
Kirk Murphy @ 103
Do all soy products contain GM soy?
solai @ 102
Rose was struck dumb by Condi’s outrageous string of lies.
Flabbergasted, eyes darting all over the place, grim lips. His brain exploded.
PLovering @ 105
- ‘… Iraq asked us to come to their country’ lie
I totally agree with Condi, except they got the translation wrong … Saddam said “KISS my ass!”, not “KILL my ass!” *g*
At last! Another Libby fix! Its about time!
Bob in HI
Petrocelli @ 23
Me, too! JANE!!! CHRISTY!!! EW!!!
Love ya lots!!!
Bob in HI
Cassandra @ 81
Cassandra,
I think we may have crossed paths over at Truthout. Or maybe MyDD?
Bob in HI
jayt @ 41
How soon before these folks begin to ‘disappear’ from the streets? :grin:
What’s truly sad is that all this business about Libby’s sentencing is irrelevant. He’s going to be pardoned by Bush at the speed of light. Republicans don’t let courts of law define them.
Do federal probation officers serve at the “pleasure of the president”?
Libby sentencing game
Pretty good!!!
> Libby is at a disadvantage for the
> presentencing report, however, because he was
> convicted rather than pleading guilty. The
> sentencing guidelines provide leniency for
> those who accept responsibility for their
> crimes and cooperate, but since Libby continues
> to contest his conviction, he will very likely
> struggle to show remorse about crimes he still
> contends he didn’t commit.
I have no brief for Irving Libby, but I have never understood why this “process” isn’t considered double jeopardy and held grossly unconstitutional. It is clearly unjust to require a person to prove his innocence (yes, I know what the book says; the fact is the defendent is pretty much required to prove innocence in 99.5% of criminal cases) and then double-penalize him for making the (constitutinally-protected) attempt.
Cranky