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	<title>Comments on: Blue America:  Chris Van Hollen Knows How To Beat Republicans, And Plans To Do Just That As DCCC Chair</title>
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		<title>By: radlib1</title>
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		<dc:creator>radlib1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 06:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TeddySanFran - I love your posts and I love your passion. You, to me, are a true great American patriot. Keep it up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TeddySanFran &#8211; I love your posts and I love your passion. You, to me, are a true great American patriot. Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 23:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686370&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;PLovering @ 196&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686148&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;STTP in Ohio @ 164&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686134&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;PLovering @ 161&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;witness the GOP presidential debate last week, it was one rich white man after another sucking up to the extreme right of the party&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whoops!  Strike one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dems don’t win without white men voters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frankly, that goes without saying. Remember, that’s all that &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; vote until the 1900’s.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We just don’t need as many of them as they do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, if Hillary runs, you can kiss the men goodbye&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What the hell does that mean? Do you have something subtantial to add?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686370"><em>PLovering @ 196</em></a><br />
<a href="#comment-686148"><em>STTP in Ohio @ 164</em></a><br />
<a href="#comment-686134"><em>PLovering @ 161</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>witness the GOP presidential debate last week, it was one rich white man after another sucking up to the extreme right of the party</p>
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<p>.</p>
<p>Whoops!  Strike one.</p>
<p>Dems don’t win without white men voters.</p>
<p>Frankly, that goes without saying. Remember, that’s all that <em>could</em> vote until the 1900’s.</p>
<p>We just don’t need as many of them as they do.</p>
<p>Well, if Hillary runs, you can kiss the men goodbye</p>
<p>What the hell does that mean? Do you have something subtantial to add?</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 23:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686133&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Michael P. @ 160&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Baldersash.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The SOLE reason that Van Hollen defeated Connie Morella was the redistricting that occurred before the election.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Maryland General Assembly radically altered the district lines to benefit CVH.  In other words, the State Dem party changed the rules because it had been unable to beat the beloved Morella in previous election cycles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way, I’m a MoCo Democrat.  And I fondly remember to outstanding service that Connie provided for her district.  She was a good legislator, and a great woman.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, but that’s crap. She might have been good, but she voted with Bush every time. (Former constituent - Bethesda)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686133"><em>Michael P. @ 160</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Baldersash.</p>
<p>The SOLE reason that Van Hollen defeated Connie Morella was the redistricting that occurred before the election.  </p>
<p>The Maryland General Assembly radically altered the district lines to benefit CVH.  In other words, the State Dem party changed the rules because it had been unable to beat the beloved Morella in previous election cycles.</p>
<p>By the way, I’m a MoCo Democrat.  And I fondly remember to outstanding service that Connie provided for her district.  She was a good legislator, and a great woman.</p>
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<p>Sorry, but that’s crap. She might have been good, but she voted with Bush every time. (Former constituent &#8211; Bethesda)</p>
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		<title>By: PLovering</title>
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		<dc:creator>PLovering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 21:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686148&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;STTP in Ohio @ 164&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686134&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;PLovering @ 161&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;witness the GOP presidential debate last week, it was one rich white man after another sucking up to the extreme right of the party&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whoops!  Strike one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dems don’t win without white men voters.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frankly, that goes without saying. Remember, that’s all that &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; vote until the 1900’s.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We just don’t need as many of them as they do.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, if Hillary runs, you can kiss the men goodbye&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686148"><em>STTP in Ohio @ 164</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-686134"><em>PLovering @ 161</em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>witness the GOP presidential debate last week, it was one rich white man after another sucking up to the extreme right of the party</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>Whoops!  Strike one.</p>
<p>Dems don’t win without white men voters.</p>
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<p>Frankly, that goes without saying. Remember, that’s all that <em>could</em> vote until the 1900’s.</p>
<p>We just don’t need as many of them as they do.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Well, if Hillary runs, you can kiss the men goodbye</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka Springs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 21:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686310&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LeftyMN @ 194&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Please Mr VanHollen, find us a viable candidate in MN CD-6, our current Mr Kline is horrible…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p.s. Coleen Rowley isnt a viable candidate..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you find us a Tim Walz kindof candidate?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s wrong with Coleen?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686310"><em>LeftyMN @ 194</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Please Mr VanHollen, find us a viable candidate in MN CD-6, our current Mr Kline is horrible…</p>
<p>p.s. Coleen Rowley isnt a viable candidate..</p>
<p>Can you find us a Tim Walz kindof candidate?</p>
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<p>What’s wrong with Coleen?</p>
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		<title>By: LeftyMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeftyMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please Mr VanHollen, find us a viable candidate in MN CD-6, our current Mr Kline is horrible…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p.s. Coleen Rowley isnt a viable candidate..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you find us a Tim Walz kindof candidate?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please Mr VanHollen, find us a viable candidate in MN CD-6, our current Mr Kline is horrible…</p>
<p>p.s. Coleen Rowley isnt a viable candidate..</p>
<p>Can you find us a Tim Walz kindof candidate?</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 20:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/10/AR2007051000104.html?hpid=topnews&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....id=topnews&lt;/a&gt;this article has the numbers in it.&lt;br /&gt;
cinnamonape at 188&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyone know what they vote differences were between the two month supplemental and the McGovern Amendment (IAIRC) funded fully until next year…but gave a firm deadline for withdrawal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the folks like McErney think that the two month supplemental is the FASTER and more effective way to get us out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the funding stalls in two months then withdrawal has to begin nearly immediately unless Bush undertakes an(other) blatantly UnConstitutional Act. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/10/AR2007051000104.html?hpid=topnews">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..id=topnews</a>this article has the numbers in it.<br />
cinnamonape at 188
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<blockquote><p>Anyone know what they vote differences were between the two month supplemental and the McGovern Amendment (IAIRC) funded fully until next year…but gave a firm deadline for withdrawal.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps the folks like McErney think that the two month supplemental is the FASTER and more effective way to get us out.</p>
<p>If the funding stalls in two months then withdrawal has to begin nearly immediately unless Bush undertakes an(other) blatantly UnConstitutional Act. </p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 20:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-686228&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cinnamonape @ 188&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone know what they vote differences were between the two month supplemental and the McGovern Amendment (IAIRC) funded fully until next year…but gave a firm deadline for withdrawal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the folks like McErney think that the two month supplemental is the FASTER and more effective way to get us out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the funding stalls in two months then withdrawal has to begin nearly immediately unless Bush undertakes an(other) blatantly UnConstitutional Act.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/05/10/no-withdrawal/#comment-684760&quot;&gt;my take&lt;/a&gt; is that mcgovern’s bill &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rules.house.gov/announcement_details.aspx?NewsID=2651&quot;&gt;h.r.2237&lt;/a&gt; funds a withdrawal. the new bill &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rules.house.gov/announcement_details.aspx?NewsID=2649&quot;&gt;h.r.2206&lt;/a&gt; (that passed yesterday) funds the occupation, but with constraints.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-686228"><em>cinnamonape @ 188</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Anyone know what they vote differences were between the two month supplemental and the McGovern Amendment (IAIRC) funded fully until next year…but gave a firm deadline for withdrawal.</p>
<p>Perhaps the folks like McErney think that the two month supplemental is the FASTER and more effective way to get us out.</p>
<p>If the funding stalls in two months then withdrawal has to begin nearly immediately unless Bush undertakes an(other) blatantly UnConstitutional Act.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/05/10/no-withdrawal/#comment-684760">my take</a> is that mcgovern’s bill <a href="http://www.rules.house.gov/announcement_details.aspx?NewsID=2651">h.r.2237</a> funds a withdrawal. the new bill <a href="http://www.rules.house.gov/announcement_details.aspx?NewsID=2649">h.r.2206</a> (that passed yesterday) funds the occupation, but with constraints.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;chris bowers has an interesting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/5/11/154524/095&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; up at mydd… and one part of it fits well (i think) in this discussion thread:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We were quite fortune that the splits we saw in IL-06 and CT-Sen did not happen on a wider scale. If they had, Republicans would still control Congress. Gong back further, such a split would also have resulted in the privatization and destruction of Social Security. In the fights that we did win in 2005-2006, victory only happened because the establishment and the movement were on the same page. Neither side can win without each other, as virtually every election made perfectly clear from 1994-2004. The Democratic Party was in the wilderness until the progressive movement rose to challenge the conservative movement. It was only when the progressive movement reached maturity that Democrats took over Congress. They needed us to close the fundraising gap, convince them to run on Iraq, stretch the electoral playing field, keep the base excited, challenge pro-Republican media coverage, and generate new campaign ideas. At the same time, movement challenges to neoliberals and DLC-nexus control over the party have never succeeded unless we have formed a coalition with dissenting establishment elements. Howard Dean getting crushed by a wide array of backroom alliances late in the 2004 primary campaign, but requiring the backing of state party chairs to win the DNC, is a good example of this. We can’t win without each other.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chris bowers has an interesting <a href="http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/5/11/154524/095">post</a> up at mydd… and one part of it fits well (i think) in this discussion thread:</p>
<blockquote><p>We were quite fortune that the splits we saw in IL-06 and CT-Sen did not happen on a wider scale. If they had, Republicans would still control Congress. Gong back further, such a split would also have resulted in the privatization and destruction of Social Security. In the fights that we did win in 2005-2006, victory only happened because the establishment and the movement were on the same page. Neither side can win without each other, as virtually every election made perfectly clear from 1994-2004. The Democratic Party was in the wilderness until the progressive movement rose to challenge the conservative movement. It was only when the progressive movement reached maturity that Democrats took over Congress. They needed us to close the fundraising gap, convince them to run on Iraq, stretch the electoral playing field, keep the base excited, challenge pro-Republican media coverage, and generate new campaign ideas. At the same time, movement challenges to neoliberals and DLC-nexus control over the party have never succeeded unless we have formed a coalition with dissenting establishment elements. Howard Dean getting crushed by a wide array of backroom alliances late in the 2004 primary campaign, but requiring the backing of state party chairs to win the DNC, is a good example of this. We can’t win without each other.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 20:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cinnamonape 181&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you might want to post your idea at an address/site they gave us today. i like your idea.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dccc.org/rapid_response_network/&quot;&gt;http://www.dccc.org/rapid_response_network/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cinnamonape 181</p>
<p>you might want to post your idea at an address/site they gave us today. i like your idea.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dccc.org/rapid_response_network/">http://www.dccc.org/rapid_response_network/</a></p>
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