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REP. CONYERS QUESTIONS: Since the date of the firings on Dec 7, 2006, have you discussed this matter with President Bush? AG says that President has given him encouragement, but not with regard to substance. You have already indicated that you spoke with Rove about the voter fraud matter in 2006 — Fall of 2006 — do you have information on whether Rove or any other WH staff member helped to get Iglesias on the firing list either through Ms. Goodling or anyone else who might have been a WH liason? AG says he doesn't recall anything in the documents about that. (CHS notes: What about from conversations or something outside the documents?) AG says that Conyers has more "bread crumbs" than he does, because the committee has spoken directly with witnesses. Conyers says, but you were the one who had the conversation with Karl Rove, not me. AG says he doesn't recall Rove saying that Iglesias needed to be terminated, but that Rove was just expressing his dissatisfaction with Iglesias.
REP. FORBES QUESTIONS: Says that hundreds of thousands of press releases have gone out on this. (CHS notes: Golly, that's a lot! Jeepers. Totally credible number that he didn't just pull out of thin air, I bet.) We are now talking about what is or is not appropriate in terms of contact between members of Congress and the DoJ. Talking about the rise in gangs now — and whether memebrs of Congress could talk about that with the DoJ if they felt that the direction that the DoJ was going was not appropriate. (CHS notes: Ahhh, we get to the attempt to insulate Domenici and Wilson from criticism tack.) Now talking about anti-terrorism and espionage cases in the same context. How are these investigations impacting your office's ability to investigate these other more serious matters than perverting the DoJ? (CHS notes: okay, I'm paraphrasing there.) AG says that he has to multi-task, because that's his job to work on behalf of the American people, and gosh thanks for asking.
REP. BERMAN QUESTIONS: Berman knows McKay from his prior appointment by Bush I. Thinks that the reasons given for asking McKay to resign are incredibly flimsy. Believes that the DoJ comments do a discredit to the AG unless they are rebutted by you — because he believes that McKay was an excellent public servant.
REP. SANCHEZ QUESTIONS: Sanchez asks about Mercer's comments that the USA position is a vehicle for launching party loyalists into positions to pad their resume and as a potential springboard for a federal judgeship. AG says that the office doesn't depend on the USA and that all they need to do is fill the slot with someone who has good qualifications, but the USA doesn't really run the prosecutions and thus, brushes off how important it is to have someone with integrity about the judicial process and apolitical decisionmaking and ethics. (CHS: Okay, I am now absolutely furious. And I am certain that LHP is blowing a gasket somewhere. Because the USA sets a distinct tone and if you appoint someone solely because they are a political hack with WH political shop connections, that certainly sets a tone, doesn't it?)
REP. PENCE QUESTIONS: "Part of the mission of the Justice Department" to preserve the integrity of public institutions. Calling AG's attention to legislation he sponsored on free flow of information act — "federal media shield" — believes that Founders intended that a free and independent press is the chief safeguard to public integrity. The only check on government power in real time is a free press. The rights of the press have eroded, and he's not happy with that. Wants assurance from AG and staff that the DoJ would work with them to pass this legislation. AG says no position on the legislation, and he's not convinced of the need for this — DoJ has only issued 19 subpoenas for confidential source information since 1991, and the department has a rigorous internal process, but I'm happy to talk with you about this.
REP. WEXLER QUESTIONS: Iglesias was placed on the firing list on election day in 2006. Wexler running through all the hierarchy of folks at the DoJ, none of whom including the AG himself, the President and the Veep — none of these people put Iglesias on the list, so who did? AG says what is more important is that Iglesias was recommended to him and that he accepted that recommendation. Wexler says, no, who put him on the list? AG doesn't know. Why was he placed on the list? AG says that the senior senator from NM had lost confidence in him. Wexler says that Moschella told the committee that Iglesias was onthe list because he was an absentee landlord — AG says he didn't make the decision…Wexler interjects, yes, you have been very clear about the factthat you didn't make any decisions on this. There is some back and forth on respecting the integrity of the investigation, and not asking questions — and Wexler is not buying that as an excuse. You know who put them on the list but you won't tell us.
REP. FEENEY QUESTIONS: You've admitted botched PR and botched supervision — aren't the questions that Wexler was asking the very questions that the OIP is looking into? Yes. Now talking about counterintelligence questions and counterterror operations. AG says he can't break it down in terms of assets or resources, but it is the number 1 priority. And now they are having a Justice Rehnquist book club discussion. And on to the NSL questions and privacy concerns.
REP. COHEN QUESTIONS: You don't know who put Iglesias on the list, but you said that the President or Veep didn't — how do you know that? AG says they just would not have done that. You don't know for a fact that they weren't involved in this process either through Miers or Rove, right? AG says the WH has said publicly that they weren't involved in specific names on this. Doesn't know if this was Miers or Rove's idea on the getting rid of all USAs after second term — doesn't have a recollection of that, but in lookng at the documents, there was e-mail traffic just before Gonzales became AG. Did you ask why Cummins was fired? He was asked to leave in June — a change was desired by the WH, because a well-qualified individual (Griffen) was wanted in that spot by the WH. Cohen asks don't you think that a public official who is out there in the public eye, and their livelihood depends on public reputation — don't you think that thereshould be a compelling reason to remove these people rather than just some group of people who decide based on no real defined criteria that they should go. AG says "we don't owe them the job, but we could do better."
REP. RIC KELLER QUESTIONS: What are your top two priorities over the next few months? (1) Making sure that America is safe. (2) Gangs and drugs and violent crime. (3) Commitment to make sure kids are safe, from sex offenders and otherwise. Keller now talking about the public pain that the AG has suffered — and golly, how wonderful he is because of his passion to make a difference. (CHS says: Awwww…group hug.) Keller says that this whole "scandal" can be summarized by Carol Lam — that's what he tells the folks in his town meetings — Carol seems nice, but according to Keller she was an incompetent, gun-allowing idgit, and how dare people think that her prosecution of Duke Cunningham and many other GOP-attached corruption cases all of which happened to coincidentally be coming to a head at the time of her firing might be…erm…not so much of a coincidence. (CHS notes: Yep, paraphrasing again.) Did you ask Lam to resign because she was prosecuting public corruption cases? No. How about the WH — President, Miers, Rove, Bolten? AG says they didn't say anything to me about that and I'm not aware of it. (CHS notes: Well, that was noncommittal.)
REP. JOHNSON QUESTIONS: Goes through AG's credentials and the credentials of his upper-level staff. And then says instead you delegated an extraordinary amount of power to two very inexperienced aides, neither of whom had much trial experience at all and no law enforcement background whatsoever. You gave these two the power to hire and fire major employees who lead very important criminal cases. You did not inform your DAG or your AAG. What were you thinking? AG says that there is a lot to talk about there, and then begins to talk circles around answering the question. It's filibuster time. AG then says that "my understanding is that they were told." (CHS notes: Jeebus, does this man do ANY of his job himself?) Gets into Goodling making hiring and firing decisions pertaining to career and non-career hiring — AG ducks the question because of a current ongoing investigation referral. Did Sampson have the same power under your memorandum? Yes. Did he in fact play a part in making personnel decisions about DoJ career and non-career personnel? [Hem and haw] yes. They both played a part in putting together the list of fired USAs. Anyone else who assisted them? AG says "if you look at the e-mail traffic…" and refers back to "looking at the documents." Bill Mercer, that Comey was consulted about his views…AG getting very agitated about this line of questioning. Going to put the question on any others involved in writing to the AG.
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Zed!
zed no!
Gonzo must be compelled to explain his failure to pursue Posada, a known terrorist!
Ratz! Abu is a lyin’ sack o’ shit!
Anybody have the committee website linky? Cspan is cutting in and out and driving me crazy.
Question for Gonzo: You signed a secret order delegating authority for hirings and firings of non-civil service employees to your Chief of Staff, Kyle Sampson, and the DoJ’s White House Liason, Monica Goodling.
Can you tell us why the White House Liason should have a role in those decisions?
Your honor, the questioner is leading the witness.
Forbes: all this oversight is hurting your performance, right?
Ok, at what point can we give up this farce and impeach the bastard? At what point will ANY committee charge him??
Forbes: You have so much to do , how do you balance your time with child pr0n, gambling, turrurists?
I can’t wait for a Democratic Attorney General to start going after these Republican accomplices.
don’t know who the next Democrat to be up is, but I hope that his/her time would be yielded back to Maxine Waters.
LS @ 5
HJC feed is pretty good–
http://judiciary.house.gov/default.aspx
Gonzo to Issa: We took longer to replace US Attorneys than the Clinton administration, because we were less prepared.
yes oh my, how can you do your job working so hard to answer all these mean questions Is Waters coming back?
He murderered his parents and want mercy because he is an orphan.
Sheesh!
Berman yielding his time but taking it to make a speech in support of McKay.
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In his opening remarks, the AG said he had spoken to all the attorneys and heard their concerns. Has anyone asked him what those concerns are?
Call 911 my head has exploded!
This is the saddest spectacle. How do these people function? No wonder they think Abu is just a fine guy doing a great job.
Berman finally yielded to Sanchez
damn – right idea – wrong yield!
Gonzales playing the martyr. I have to do these hearings instead of defending the country from terrorists and child predators. But I do it anyway because that is the kind of superhero I am.
Sanchez got Marcy’s list???
IrishJim @ 11
Won’t they all have pardons before then?
I think one of the most important declarations was interrupted. Maxine Waters wound up for a slam (after Gonzo’s interminably empty “I take full responsibility,”) and was stopped by Conyers:
Waters: “If you did take responsibility Mr. Atty General…”
(she wasn’t allowed to say, “You would RESIGN for the good of the Justice department!!”)
Abu throwing sampson under bus since McNulty claimed limited input.
Ask him Sanchez:
If you wanted DAG McNulty to be consulted, then why did you take him out of the process in March 2006?
Gonzo knew more than he told us, he just admitted it…
Excuse me it’s up to Gonzo to keep this country safe? I thought that was why we have our armed forces, et al. How about if he tries to PROTECT this country from the loss of civil liberties? I cannot demonstrate my disgust with this Mr. Gonzales or anyone else in this administration without ……. spitting.
Sanchez: Who had the input? Gonzo: You know more than I.
Sadly, that may be true.
Interesting relevant article
Whitehouse witholding email
To ease load on servers during the hearing, FirePups can chat at http://www.gabbly.com/firedoglake.com
See you there!
Sanchez: I’ll accept that you don’t know anything about how names made list.
Sanchez is doing not too bad. What did you know
So – that’s the new tack….”you probably have more than I do”…..
Gonzales: You probably know more about my department than I do. Pretty much says it all.
why isn’t she asking about that signed order giving Sampson and Delilah ability to hire and fire? And who hired the careers?
Sanchez getting close to the big question: who had the authority to put names on the list.
Gonzo don’t know nuttin’. That’s actually productive.
Now ask: who does he think had the authority to put names on the list? The mailroom boy? The janitor?
Resume enhancement for anyone with an “R” behind their names and a FedSoc check-off in the appropriate box…
Thank you for saving us from terrorists!
Abu just set himself up. “investigations ongoing but depends on competence of incoming USA” then time expired for sanchez.
Pence up now bringing up ft dix and the “six” arrested this week.
LS says:
May 10th, 2007 at 10:17 am
Anybody have the committee website linky? Cspan is cutting in and out and driving me crazy.
Go to MSNBC.com. That’s where I’m watching.
JEP @ 24
Sanchez got Marcy’s list???
I sent them to Conyers’ office (?)
In a special National Journal online exclusive published today, Murray Waas reports that the Bush administration has withheld information from Congress that would reveal efforts by senior officials at the White House and Justice Department to conceal Karl Rove’s role in naming Timothy Griffin to be the new U.S. Attorney in Arkansas.
From the article:
Full coverage appears at: http://news.nationaljournal.co…..510nj1.htm
What?!!?
Another brain dead Republican: Thank you for donning you mask and cape and arresting those terrorists in New Jersey.
Phoenix Woamn @ 45: sounds like Waas has some leakers at DoJ that are not happy at the perversion of their dept.
IrishJim @ 11
That is the big question; will there be follow up after 01/20/09? The Dem Congress will have two years to expose these criminals and have voters demanding prosecutions. But will they take names and follow up? I can hope but I don’t think they will…heal the country..bring us together and all of that bullshit will be the theme after 01/20/09.
Some one hand Pence a hanky to wipe his face off.
LS at 5. I can’t get either of the videos (C-span or HJC) but it’s also on c-span radio.
IrishJim @ 32
Murray Waas’s ’senior executive branch official’ has come up with the goods again. And it confirms the surmising based upon the list of withheld emails. And fills in the gaps that join up with bits of the public doc-dump.
B-but he’s recused himself from production, no? Or is this Schroedinger’s Lawyer doing quantum testimony again?
Wordsmith @ 36
You have more bread crumbs to follow than I do.
Pence pontificating about a “free and independent press.” Sounds like he’s aobut to start channelling scooter.
did Pence just say “progeny of cases?” offspring of cases? do cases make little cases?
Wexler from Florida going back to Iglesias and KKKarl’s involvement
Filthy, scum-sucking scoundrels.
To borrow from Pence’s comment:
We (the People) can fire you for any reason, and for no reason, Mr. Pence.
oh who slelcted? asking by names, great plan Wexler!! ^5
spurious @ 54
Hansel?
Shouldn’t the democratic congress critters stop allowing people to get away with saying “nothing improper here” It seems to me that if this was put in from of a GJ indictments would follow faster than ham sandwiches.
Wexler: you did not select iglesias. Did Sampson? Did Comey? Did McNutly. Did Margolies?
Answer None of the above
Did prez? Did VP No and NO
Wexler: None of these people put Iglesias on list so how did he ge3t there?
Wexler is getting dodwn to the nitty gritty
Are we getting FINALLY to the question of WHO selected THE LIST?
Are we shouting now?
oh this Wexler guy is great! He’s channelling Marcy and Josh marshall!
Go Wexler…
Good, get Abu on the record as to who “didn’t” put him on the list.
ASK ABOUT MIERS and ROVE please.
Wexler needs to call bullshit on consensus. He’s getting there, but he needs to be explicit.
This isn’t the fucking Book of Daniel.
Hugh @ 23
Yeah, what fucking total crap. He’d be out there right now with the MSNBC news crews bustin’ Pedos on camera if he didn’t have to be on the Hill.
Wexler: Who f*cking put Iglesias on the list?
Wexler: you don’t know how he got there?
Abu: not surpirised he was on list but no one knows how he got on list
You accept responsibility but you won’t tell us anything about how he got fired.
Ask: ‘Do you care who put Iglesias on the list?”
Now please ask the follow-up question. If you don’t know who put him on the list, then how do you know why he’s on the list?
And if you don’t know why he’s on the list, then you don’t know if he was fired bc he wouldn’t take vote fraud cases?
Get him, Wex…
LIAR, LIAR, LIAR!!!!!
IMPEACH THE MOFO!!!!!!
You made the decision as to accepting the list; it’s a national secret.
You don’t know who the mystery person might be?
Mr. Wexler needs a fan…..whooboy
I’m so loving Wexler!
Wexler did his homework AND ate his wheaties this morning!!
thank you representative wexler!
“you won’t tell the american people who put mr. iglesias’ name on the list to be fired. it’s a national secret?”
The problem with Cspan Radio is that you do not know what party the Congresscritter belongs until they make an asshat of themselves……
Have to keep turning it off and on due to the aggravation. My desk can only tolerate so much head exploding in one morning.
Biodun @ 69
It’s funny the way the webcast works. Wexler is clearly saying “fucking” every third word, but somehow we don’t see that or even see his lips make that movement.
IMPEACH!
Gonzo: “I accept full responsibility for this.”
Then fucking resign already!
Wexler – “do you run the department of justice?”
Why didn’t he ask him if Rove put him on the list?
okay, so now I include Wexler on the list, along with Maxine, as to who the next D should yield their time to.
Wexler looks and sounds like John McEnroe… in a good way
Feeney of FLA up to offer another reach around. But maybe not.
BOOYAH! Wexler: “You didn’t make ANY decisions, you’ve been clear about that!!”
Bahahahaha!
Tula’s upstairs with a new thread for folks who are looking for an alternative to the hearing.
Wow!
That woke up some folks!
Now back to sleep with the Repubs.
sheesh investigation ongoing at OPR brother…… I can’t answer because I would be interefering
Wexler makes me proud to be a Floridian. Feeney is a Repub waterboy. Abu sounding rattled.
When Gonzales says that I take full responsibility, I wish someone would say No you don’t. You haven’t taken repsonsibility for anything and if you did you would resign.
Ok. New rule.
No one can ask any questions unless their last name begins with a “W”.
Waters, Wexler, Waxman, and may I add – Wheeler
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT OPR IS DOING IF YOU HAVE RECUSED YOURSELF?!
Gonzo: “See, if you weren’t investigating me, I could answer your questions.”
I like how Wexler is riling up Gonzo. He’s more likely to slip up that way.
Who had the authority to put names on the list? If you found out that it was the guy who brings in the coffee, would you find that problematic? Do you give a fuck who put names on the list?
Feeney trying to mollify the quesitons but give Abu a chance to make nice about using OPR and IG to investigate.
Could he explain what exactly he means by ‘taking responsibility’? What actions has he taken aside from saying the words to prove that he has done so?
RonD @ 92
Issa does the oposite for those of us in CA
Feeney (R): Tongue the bung…
emptywheel @ 80
This is one of the things Abu has been working on–cleaning up the internet so you can hear the swear words! That is why he doesn’t know how those names got on the f–king list!
Wexler, the greatest FL Congressman, followed by Feeney, R-FL thief.
FINALLY — Wexler is calling bullshit on the “I take responsibility” crap from AG. The Democrats should have each taken one fired attorney and run through the exact same line of questioning with AG.
EllenG @ 93
Um, I yield my time to Sanchez. Or my next door neighbor (in CDs), Conyers, who actually finished teh question that Waters set up.
Dee Loralei @ 91
but sec clearances to get to NSA?
not so much…
Well, a conspiracy w/43 helped.
Waiting for Maxine..
New Rove talker: I wasn’t surprised to see Iglesias on the list because of Domenici’s complaints.
Someone needs to ask: Did Domenici put him on the list?
EllenG @ 93
And Whodes
OHC #101, unfortunately we also have Opie Putnam, dist. 12., who wants to be Tom DeLay when he grows up. Sheesh.
Feeney: “… a great book that Justice Rehnquist wrote …”
O_o
(head explodes)
Conspiracy to obstruct justice all around (including the Repub Reps) Impeach them all.
How can Gonzales know that whole list of people who DIDN’T put him on the list if he doesn’t know who DID!!!!!
Feeney has major conflicts of interest here, in the Top 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress.
There was something weird going on in his district, too, should have had DOJ on him.
I want to know why these kinds of folks aren’t expected to recuse themselves from the Committee Hearing.
CONYERS – MAKE THEM STAY ON TOPIC!!!
Go Cohen!!!!
emptywheel @ 80
Fern @ 112
Stop it. Now we can’t be having questions such as this.
Hugh @ 23
imagine Bush will steal this comment to emphasize his confidence in Gonzo
RonD @ 108
Not to worry. Putnam will never grow up…
Abu will provide information as he gets it!
I thought he was recused?
Even after having been clearly implicated in the Plame scandal, Rove moves freely through the various channels of Dubya’s adm. administering his Machiavellian machinizations. Apparently, Rove maintains full security clearance.
Rumsfeld too, is still managing Pentagon affairs after his termination.
Rove is running the country.
Cohen of TN trying to follow-up on Wexler.
C: How do you know P and VP were not involved.
Abu: I have faith
Cohen back on the list (Iglesias)
Cohen from Tennessee–this should be good!
emptywheel @ 73
cohen on follow up now… fingers crossed.
Zap. How do you know that Bush and Cheney were not involved? I just do.
Whoa Mr. Cohen, getting right to it.
Here there, that’s a good question. How do you know Bush and Cheney weren’t involved.
AGAG: The WH has said it was not involved in adding or deleting people.
Note the perjury dodge here. He’s not asserting they weren’t involved, he’s saying only they have said publicly (not under oath, not in front of Congress) they weren’t involved.
Please please please point out that Miers was involved in firing Cummins and ousting Yang.
‘I have no reason to believe…I just know that they wouldn’t have done that.’
I just e-mailed the committee and said they really need to have a staff member reading here and TNH, to see what kind of questions they should be asking, because the performance hasn’t been too great. URLS were included for the clueless. I also suggested reminding Abu that lying to Congress is a crime.
Abu: back to I have no recollections on anything dealing with rove or miers
“I didn’t anticipate the WH being involved in the process…”
umm, isn’t it the prez who is to choose who gets removed?
RonD @ 108
and Asshat Mica in district 7.. UHGG
He just said “I don’t recall” 3 times to a question that wasn’t asked.
RonD @ 108
OHC #101, unfortunately we also have Opie Putnam, dist. 12., who wants to be Tom DeLay when he grows up. Sheesh.
Not to worry. Putnam will never grow up…
sad but true… I get nothing back from him but Republicant boilerplate…
emptywheel @ 126
Are you wired to Cohen’s mnid?
Cohen…”How do you know it wasn’t Bush or Rove?”
Gonzo: “I know they wouldn’t do that…”
Like Colbert says, he FEELS it….the truthiness in his GUT!
Gonzo appears to be sssstruttering more with Cohen…
They’re starting to get him to talk–suddenly he is slowly remembering a few things here and there like a little email traffic.
Griffith was well qualified? hahah go Cohen!
abu can’t give any straight answers to cohen
With Waters Abu couldn’t look at the files on the attorneys. Now he is testifying that he was looking at various emails and other material. So I guess the idea is that he only can’t look at a file if it is inconvenient.
It shouldn’t be hard to ask Gonzo to list the people in DOJ who he considers had the authority to say ‘put this US Attorney on the list’.
That’s not a ‘fact witness’ thing. That’s a delegation of authority question. That’s a ‘who’s running the shop’ question.
Could a firepup phone it in, if you please? I’m a bit shy about talking to congresscritters’ offices.
Did he just say Tim Griffith???
This of course may not be on topic. But when exactly is the ABA, and other attorney organizations going to speak out on Gonzales? Ever?
Mr. Gonzales: Do you consider communication by e-mail to be different from “speaking to” people at the WH?
just my little suggestion
The President isn’t involved when AG is serving to pleasure him?
Wow, AGAG got silent there all of a sudden, huh.
Please circle back to Miers’ involvement in Cummins’ firing, Cohen. And while you’re at it, please note that you’ve already ceded that Bogden was removed to make room for another USA.
Now he is remembering various quotes and statements. They hit him hard–he gets defensive and he starts to talk fast! haha.
Gonzo’s sweating & stumbling with Cohen…
Steve’s fixin to kick some a$$, he’s an atty. And was on TN State Senate for years, great guy
Mr. Cummings???
Ohmigosh, he’s making me swoon. Bout time.
His babbling is just designed to burn up hostile questioners’ time.
Oh here we go…. the “I don’t have recollection…”
And WHY are things like ‘they like playing squash’ – ‘they passed 3rd grade with flying colors’ germane to qualifications. Throwing shit like this in is about smoke screen.
KICK ASS….compelling – word of the day.
RonD @ 108
OHC #101, unfortunately we also have Opie Putnam, dist. 12., who wants to be Tom DeLay when he grows up. Sheesh.
and Asshat Mica in district 7.. UHGG
Gaahhh. They don’t call it Floorduh for nuthin.
Feeney’s Abramoff’s golfboy. He thinks it costs $5k to golf at St. A’s.
I don’t recall inquiring why any of these officials were asked to leave!
Gonzo keeps not recalling!
Cohen is very good. Gonzo is ducking hard but still spouting BS.
Cohen is my new hero…
Gonzo is having a ‘talking point stroke..’
The President and his
staffflunkies don’t have to have compelling reasons for anything they do. They just do what they want to because they can.Potus and VP did not add or delete from list, but President can hire or fire whoever whenever…which is it?
WHO FIRED THE USAS?
Keller of Orlando offering a cover quesiton about what are abu’s top two(abu offering three) priorities for end of bushco term
jayt @ 130
Not just that – but the President would have to select a replacement – so how could they not be involved?
Commons3nse @ 135
My question – in the light of the Waas revelations in the Nat Jl today, why are you so confident that the WH’s statements can be taken at face value
Why so many FL representatives on this committee?
Shorter Gonzo: A compelling reason standard for firing is too high for the US Attorneys. But there’s no compelling reason to fire me.
Abu is keeping us safe from terrorists, drugs, and sex offenders. Think about the kids!
September 11th!! September 11th!! September 11th!!
When all else fails, invoke September 11th!!
AArrghh, Keller, too!
Gonz: 9-11, American Dream, gangs, drugs, crime, wristband!
Our world has changed… We are a paranoid people now. Danger and fear are everywhere.
Bush apparently likes to surround himself with dumb suck-ups.
That’s it, he’s a hero for not stepping down!!!
It all makes sense now…
That’s it. Cheney is POTUS and Rove is VP.
Abu now raising “I got into public service to make a diff in people’s lives.
did president bush arrive at the white house on september 11 as gonzales just claimed? i thought he went into hiding in nebraska or somewhere?
Abu’s priorities:
Save the country from terrorists, gangs, drugs, and child predators.
Other possibilities:
Jump tall buildings at a single bound, move faster than a speeding bullet, . . .
Progressive lawyers and attorney’s interested in justice. Are you doing your bit. Are you applying pressure to the ABA?
trash Lam time again by Keller.
dakine01 @ 134
memo to self: Teach Marcy & Christy how to transmit messages through telepathy.
Gonzo: I got into this business because I want to make a difference in people’s lives…
Oh spare me! 9/11 blah, blah, blah…
He was on the WH lawn when Doofus got tired of flying around the country avoiding doing anything and decided to ‘come home’ or at the very least, cheney said it was OK.
now he’s talking about 9/11… way to go, Gonzo!
he can give such a clear, succinct answer to what he’s going to do for the next 20(sic) months, but to nothing else! what’s up, Gonzo?
selise @ 174
I believe he went back to the WH that evening after flying all over the place.
Abu still sounding rattled…
but getting a sweet pat on the head by the Repub from Fla.
and btw, who’s gonna pay this dimwit a million per year after watching even a portion of his performance on the Hill?
Has Abu ever prosecuted a case?
Is he not recalling as well as the last time he testilied? Is anyone out there keeping track?
Gonzo: I wear the bracelet of a dead child sex victim to remind me of my passion for the job.
Umm.
H’okay.
That was classy.
Question: Why do you believe that you can be (or better yet, ever were) an effective AG?
Answer: I am effective because the President feels pleasure for me.
LS @ 172
Yup.
Woodhall Hollow @ 186
Are ya sure that’s not pleasure FROM me?
Somebody point out that Cunningham was under investigation and was a signer of the letter w/Issa!!!!
Commons3nse @ 158
I’m in that odious Marsha Blackburns district, so I consider Cohen, my true congressperson :-)
If they have a round 2, can the Dems only let Cohen, Waters, Waxman, and the other W ask the questions? If you haven’t proved you can ask tough questions in round 1, you don’t get to move on to round 2? Please can we, huh, Mr Chairman??
Murray Waas have revealed contents of witheld emails showing WH and Sampson contacts:
via JMM at Talkingpointsmemo:
Quoting so you wont have to leave this horror show. and can someone send this to Conyers?
“Several of the e-mails that the Bush administration is withholding from Congress, as well as papers from the White House counsel’s office describing other withheld documents, were made available to National Journal by a senior executive branch official, who said that the administration has inappropriately kept many of them from Congress.
The senior official said that Gonzales, in preparing for testimony before Congress, has personally reviewed the withheld records and has a responsibility to make public any information he has about efforts by his former chief of staff, other department aides, and White House officials to conceal Rove’s role.
“If [Gonzales] didn’t know everything that was going on when it went down, that is one thing,” this official said. “But he knows and understands chapter and verse. If there was an effort within Justice and the White House to mislead Congress, it is his duty to disclose that to Congress. As the country’s chief law enforcement official, he has a higher duty to disclose than to protect himself or the administration.”
LS @ 171
Yes, but Bush is The Decider or The Commander Guy. Republics must be so proud.
ROTFLMAO
AG has been saying that he has had nothing to do with the firings, now he’s being asked about his motivations in events that he claims he wasn’t involved in and doesn’t really remember.
“On a scale of one to ten- with one being a person who knows nothing about what goes on in Justice- and ten being the best attorney general ever- rate your fitness to hold the office the president has put you in?”
Abu: bothers me to disparage individuals so I’ll do so discretely .
LS @ 182
Yeah, they had to get Air Force One back to help fly the bin Laden family’s harems out of the country.
Will someone ask Gonzales about the meeting he had with the US Attorney’s where he told them they work FOR the White House????
Gonzo: It bothers me to have to disparage people…
Hahahaha! Canon is going on about what a great resume Griffin had…doesn’t he know that it was padded (source: TPM)?
Dee Loralei @ 193
I’d vote the republicans off the show, the island, the room, etc….
Oh, please, someone follow up on that. In response to a question of whether BushCo fired Lam because she was prosecuting Foggo/Wilkes:
A rather curious answer, rather than just “no.”
Now please, someone, go back and establish the fact that when he approved the firings, Gonzales didn’t know why people were fired, so if BushCo HAD fired Lam because of her investigations, he would never know.
And he’s sure unwilling to answer the question in straight fashion.
Timothy Griffin was also an aide to Karl Rove who had been the principal opposition researcher in the Bush 2004 campaign. Oh but that doesn’t count.
Is Hank Johnson leading up to something?
Time to put up a new Gonzo thread?
Hugh @ 201
And he’s under investigation for election fraud matters, but that doesn’t matter either. Ho, hum.
dakine01 @ 174
And he has – thuosands of people can thank him for making America their torturer.
Is it me or do the Dems speak VERY, VERY
S-L-O-W-L-Y?
Dee Loralei @ 192
they need more than the few (5?) minutes they are given. abu is too good at ducking and running out the clock.
here it comes–why did you listen to flacks like Sampson and Goodling rather than experienced prosecutors!!!!
Johnson, build Gonzo up.. insert knife between ribs! ^5 And he’s asking about the douvle super secret order!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hank Johnson asking about hiring of McNulty and Margolies as top two deputies. but you delegated extraordinary amount of power to Monica and Kyle who hwere junior and limited experience in law enforcement. Why did you sign march 6 order giving the power to hire and fire to these two junior/inexperienced people?
Johnson: You’ve delegated an extraordinary amount of power to two young aides who don’t have experience…
The Secret Order!
Dems need a course in ‘dynamic questioning.’ The meandering inquiry style is reducing the impact.
Abu trying to tap dance
Mr. Hank Johnson is building up to something.
Look at Gonzo….there’s a lot there; (it was hard to listen – hard to concentrate)
dakine01 @ 212
Another zap moment. Why were your pants around your ankles in the porn theater?
hahaha he didn’t do the secret order I smell Rove’s dirty fingers!!!!!!!
Murray Waas has a bombshell. Go read:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003194.php
This guy’s low key, but quite good. “Why did you give so much responsibility to clueless kids?”
Jane S. @ 207
Is it the Georgia thing?
Excellent question!!!!
Answer the damn question, Mr. Gonzales.
Though please ask him, yes or no, whether he knew that Goodling and Sampson were invovled in the review of career employees. Focus, focus.
Finally, some more questions on the secret order regarding firings and hirings.
I’m glad to see this, but I wish they would narrow down and separate the roles of Sampson and Goodling.
Specifically, why does the *WH* Liason have any role in this?
IrishJim @ 32
Holy shite!
Murray does it again.
And yes Christy, I am having a meltdown. My lifetime republican law partner, is having a meltdown.
Any decent human being, and especailly if they are a lawyer, would have a meltdown.
I have so much rage right now. Need to find a way to harness it into productivity.
Wordsmith @221
Yes, it’s the Georgia thing. Trust me. ;-)
In light of today’s Murray Waas piece today would it be naive to think Waxman or others on this committee received an advance copy before this mornings hearing?
Ask Gonzo why the DOJ didn’t turn over that document in one of the dumps that were requested!
Wordsmith @ 222
He is asking good stuff but he uses up so much time, he is going to lose his opportunity for follow-ups.
Abu can’t answer Johnson’s quesitons about Monica and Kyle.
Why would it be appropriate for a clueless underling to be calling the shots on political appointees?
smell the flop-sweat?
emptywheel @ 223
Yes!!!
This is the thing that could finally break this open.
Wordsmith @ 222
Maybe more of a Buddhist thing?
I think these are bound to happen for two reasons. First, this sort of stuff is par for the course at the agencies late in a second term that is going badly. The WH just doesn’t care that much as all the little posses that form to inflict vengeance on other political appointees. I should note that the real motivation is just as likely to be some internal turf fight, but not sticking with the team provides a great pretext.
Second, Gonzalez has no time to mend fences. He has just long enough for a purge, though—Congress or no Congress. Gonzalez want s to keep shaking that Bush family tree for business, which probably includes a return trip to Vinson & Elkins, a huge firm with a strong presence in DC. (Pretty competent firm, by the way, Gonzalez notwithstanding. I assume they never let him near a pen.)
The AG forced to resign just doesn’t have that some sparkle on the resume, ya know?
Franks of AZ up and giving standard redubyacan praise.
Comey was consulted? Yes, but his list had nothing to do with the list.
C’mon! Keep pressing Gonzo on why the *White House* Liason would be given a role in hiring and firing decisions at the DoJ.
And not just a role, but a secret delegation of authority?
Oh, for fuck’s sake Conyers: we don’t want an answer in writing. We want a list of names who had the authority to put people on the list. Time expired, my arse.
O. MY God! He just infered that people added names to the list without knowing that was what they were doing!!!!!
Someone has to ask him how that works….seems like he knows a little more about Kyle’s process than he has let on.
Franks: Judge Gonzales?
Gawd, Trent Franks. My congressperson – yuk!
LS @ 171
dont get hung up on titles. Cheney is the power. Bush is a figurehead. Rove is the curtain that Cheney hides behind.
Franks: Terror & Sex, Sex & Terror. Hard Job.
AZ Matt @ 240
My condolences…
AZ needs to target Franks next year… The problem is that district is sooooooooo huge… from Glendale, Sun City to the CA border. Lots of desert and wingnuts over there.
“The Republican Party: Where The Truth goes to Die.”
TiredFed @ 241
Ding !
Now what that question from Mr. Johnson that was to be submitted in writing?
And, Mr. Franks, just because Gonzo is here answering (read nonanswers) does not mean crime is going to rampant in the streets or investigations will not continue.
TiredFed @ 241
Without a doubt!
did Franks (not Barney) have his face pushed in?
Abu’s life has been challenging recently? So is his ability to tell the truth.
Does Gonzo’s suit look a little roomy? Is he having trouble eating?
Woodhall Hollow @ 239
Now that would be interesting: if Sampson ‘aggregated’ names from DOJ discussions without explicitly telling people that he was compiling a list of those to be shitcanned.
Biodun @ 241
He was a TX supreme court judge IIRC.
On behalf of the State of Arizona, I would like to apologize for the worthless blob of protoplasm known as Trent Franks. He is among the dumbest mofos I have met in my entire life.
Franks is a putz…
5 minutes is simply not enough to do much of an effective job of questioning a witness. In fact, it’s fairly ludicrous.
Both parties should be made to choose x number of rep’s who have sufficient time to do a thorough job at the time of actual hearing. Those who do not actually speak at the hearing are not necessarily out of the loop – they can, and should, participate and contribute *before* the show goes on stage.
It’s strange watching political hacks taking sledge hammers to the foundations of democracy.
Bit by bit they are tearing this nation to shreds.
While never taking any resposibility.
-GSD
JF @ 253
If IIR Franks is an big-time a**-licker
Have you ever fired anyone to affect a specific case on a Tuesday while you were wearing a green suit and an orange tie? Well, have you? No. OK then, nothing to see here. Move on.
AZ Matt @ 240
Is his accent from Arizona? Sounds more like bible belt than cowboy to me.
Rove’s list talking points for Repug members of HJC:
(1) AG saving us from internet gambling.
(2) AG going after those intellectual property pirates
(3) AG has over 110,000 employees, of course, he can’t manage them.
(4) Carol Lam is bad.
(5) 9/11, 9/11, 9/11
(6) Bill Clinton fired 93 guys.
hurry up and let Gonzo get back to work… there are criminals waiting… that’s what I’m hearing here… no concern for the malfeasance that’s occurred in the DOJ…
jayt @ 256
that’s why they need to pick 2 or 3 effective questioners and cede their time to them.
What happened, I naively ask, to determining plain justice? The contortions they go through to avoid the truth could be harnessed and make us independent from foreign oil or anything else..
This guy has no sense of irony. He says that if political people block investigations we would read about it in the paper, cause the career people wouldn’t shut up about it.
Isn’t that what has been happening? I,m thining Paulose for starters.
jayt @ 257
Yes yes yes. Yes.
In Gonzo’s babbling about Goodling/Sampson and the authorization, did he say that he hadn’t seen the authorization? He said that it came about because of a change, but he didn’t say he decided to make the change. He’s been coached on what those documents are after the fact. His memory is too rehearsed and clear about why it came about. Go back and ask him. Did he personally sign the authorization at the time of the date of the authorization, to give them that power.
doesn’t sounds like a round two
Franks: I want to thank the AG. Country has been safe since 9/11. (WTF?)
Franks:
And Mr. Gonzales, have you ever drop-kicked a cute, big- eyed, little puppy?
Gonzo:
No sir!
Franks:
Well there you have it! We can all go home now.
Haha, he wasn’t expecting that habeous corpus question at all. That was beautiful.
habeas corpus questions. Oh oh…
TiredFed @ 263
Not only do I agree with you, but I’ve said the same thing, here, on several occasions.
Where are my comments?
Ed*ard Teller @ 260
Lots of carpetbaggers here…. Renzi was from VA and what the Repugs do is bring in THEIR boys and until recently they were elected.
He doesn’t know if Americans are being held and deined Habeaus Corpus.
He’s hemhawing.
He’s in effect saying, “Could Be”, by saying I don’t know, I haven’t thought about it.
Yes, ask him why he doesn’t think about it!
Gonzo: “…if there was any attempt by the DOJ to effect replacement of USA’s for political reasons, I can assure you you’d hear about it.”
NO SHIT SHERLOCK. What do you think we are hearing about?
Filthy, scum-sucking scoundrels.
Americans being held over 1 month with habeas?
Gonz doesn’t know.
Are US citizens being held? I don’t think so. God help us all.
To those who may know about the actual committee room setup — is there a clock (a la a scoreboard) where the participants can see their remaining time?
There must be or Abu has a buzzer in his pants for how long to stall the Dems when they actually ask a tough, clear, concis question.
Gonzo is astounding in his fantasy. No people being held without trial????
Does he read?
LS @ 267
Yes: the memo’s up at tpmmuckraker.
“So if you had it to do all over again, these 8 would still be toast.” Hilarious.
This is just embarrassing. Why wait until 2:30, just end it now. I used to like Conyers, now I’m not so sure.
He doesn’t know if Americans are in custody, being denied their constitutional rights, because he hasn’t thought about it?
Wouldn’t knowledge of this come from outside his head?
“We” would have used a different process.
WHO THE HELL IS WE??????????
Man! Gonzo is pathetic!
Gonzales thinks a lot about things, doesn’t do anything, but boy, does he think about them.
Abu doesn’t know anything about anything but he stands by his decision whatever it was and given that he probably doesn’t remember it.
BobbyG @ 285
But he’ll have his job until ‘09
this guy looks like Alito… in a good way
anwaya @ 281
I know. If you look at his signatures, they are stamped. They are not original signatures. That is what I’m getting at. HE didn’t sign them. Someone else did.
Jane (nyc) @ 279
yes. there is a system of green/yellow/red lights in most hearings.
Cites busting Ney before the election as proof of non-partisanship!
Does it seem that the Repugs outnumber the Dems?
Gonzo’s Cartesian postulate…
Je pense, donc je suis (I think therefore I am)
Je panse, donc je suis (I bandage therefore I follow)
LS @ 290
yup. looks like autopenned. usually COS and Deputy have autopen access. hmmmmm
The dems have really fallen down on this–with a few exceptions. It’s like they are giving up. Maybe they are focusing more on the Iraq War funding?
anwaya @ 284
LS, are you suggesting the authority was backdated?
oops. sorry about the ziggy
katymine @ 294
Does it seem that the Repugs outnumber the Dems?
I think it just seems that way because they’re better organized and doing a better job in general.
the dates are typed, too. that’s unusual – different font.
9-11
IMPEACH THIS PRICK!!!
oblio @ 283
I said it earlier, but it bears repeating – we’re less than four months into investigations of abuses going back almost 73 months. Conyers is handling this hearing much like many I’ve watched him participate in or run over the past 42 (!!!) years. He hasn’t exactly made me happy today, but I’d recommend nobody jump to conclusions based on the pace of today’s event.
There was a lot of speculation that the order was backdated to throw Sampson and Goodling under the bus to save the asses of Abu, Rove and Miers.
New thread upstairs.
great catch, LS! (and Tired Fed!)
Another entree to give Gonzo the chance to promise how it’ll get better…sound familiar?
Justice is just around the corner…
Biodun @ 295
Nice, how about…
Je panse, donc j’essuie.
I bandage threfore I wipe.
TiredFed @ 300
Nice catch TiredFed! Does this committee care enough to revisit the document?
I’m suggesting that either the documents are backdated (especially, because the Cort document (dated in February is signed by Allen for Cort), when Cort still worked there. Cort no longer worked there after June, so if the documents were backdated to cover someone’s butt, they would have someone sign for Cort. I think they should ask Cort why he didn’t sign his own document at the time.
Also, it is important to know who had the power to use a Gonzo autopen on a document that is authorizing this unprecedented power.
This must be looked into. IMHO.
Look, in all the docu dumps there was a whole lot of back-and-forth about shitstorm/PR message, with Sampson and Goodling(?) in on the plan and planning.
The plan to weather the storm and gum it to death in good faith (I know, that’s for Pryor/Cummins/Griffin, but it stands for policy. Or at least a metaphor.)
Looks like it has worked.
NEW THREADS UP!
Fresh liveblog thread up and running. And, for those who want something other than the AG, Tula has a fantastic labor thread available here. Please drop by and thank her for it!
How can we discuss Abu in the new thread?
Woodhall Hollow @ 305
Maybe that’s what set off her 45 minute crying jag in Margolis’ office. If I was an eager, loyal koolaid drinker and got tossed under the bus IN WRITING, I’d cry too.
she says “anyways;” how cute!
I just read Murray Waas’ article in the NATIONAL JOURNAL about the WH and DOJ with holding documents & e-mails. Dean Boyd of the WH says they handed over 6000 documents. So what? If they are only talking about the Junior Prom, they don’t mean crap. Turn over 10,000 and if they keep the important and incriminating 10 what the hell good are they? Where do these cretins get their logic? I’m sorry, a rhetorical question.
She’s letting Abu Gonzales delay her to use up her time. She’s too polite.
Please move up to Jane’s liveblog thread everyone — before you lock up the servers. Thanks. Or, in the alternative, check out Tula’s thread for a great labor update.
nellieh @ 318
“Tonight on ‘60 Minutes,’ a doctor with a flashlight shows us…”
And by this auto pen reference suggesting it is a forgery?
Impeach Gonzales!