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12:18 pm ET — Testimony resumes.
REP. JACKSON LEE QUESTIONS: Rep. Jackson Lee is now proceeding to talk on and on and on about Texas jail rights cases which, while egregious and icky, have nothing to do with the USAtty matter before the committee. (CHS notes: My headache continues.) Rep. Lee turned off her own mike inadvertantly, and is filibustering her own time by rambling on without anyone being able to understand what she is saying. AG says obviously there have been serious allegations made with regard to politicization, and that the DoJ has made referrals for internal investigations. These allegations have been made with reagrd to three political appointees at the DoJ. (CHS notes: yep, the pass the buck on responsibility strategy is alive and well today.)
REP. CANNON QUESTIONS: Going through some Margolis testimony and selectively reading the bits that make Gonzales look like he had a great idea to weed out weak performers in USAs offices. Cannon going on and on about Margolis and his opinions of various USAs. Doesn't like Iglesias. AG says that these determinations were made by "senior leadership in the department" as problems that needed to be addressed. AG says in hindsight that he should have had a more structured level of oversight of the process for the USA firings — would have ensured that there would have been at least one face to face meeting with the USAs to have a discussion about their performance. Cannon says, "but you learned from this?" AG says yes.
REP. WATT QUESTIONS: Starts with questions about the firing of McKay. Watt says that McKay was on the targeted firing list as early as 2005 on Sampson's list according to the documentation provided, so how have you said that he only got placed on the list in 2006? Gonzales says he'll have to check on that. Watt says that Sampson told them that theinvestigation on the Wales murder, that McKay was being "overly aggressive in pursuing" the case, and that this upset DoJ employees. AG says that wasn't a reason in his mind that he "accepted the recommendation." They now discuss the Wales investigation, the need for it to be thoroughly looked into, and how it would be wrong to stifle that investigation. Going on to improper motivation for a termination being pressure put on a prosecutor to pursue a case against a Democrat that he declined to pursue as being an improper reason for termnation. (CHS notes: Since the AG has said he wasn't paying close enough attention to the process, how would he know what the rationale was for putting any of these people on the list given that he doesn't really remember what any of the reasons were for firing these people?)
REP. GOODLATTE QUESTIONS: And now we are back to IP laws questions again. (CHS notes: cue the jeopardy theme…) And now onto illegal gambling and untaxed and unregulated gambling sites on the internet. (CHS notes: Um…hello. You can tax the income that someone makes on the gambling, but since you have outlawed internet gamblng you really have little to no incentive for someone to report that income since it is..erm…illegal. And companies that run those sites have no incentive to start their companies here where they could also be taxed because, again, you've made it illegal. But I'm sure the religious voters to whom you are pandering really appreciate that loss of tax income. Ahem.)
REP. WATERS QUESTIONS: Says she'd like to talk to AG about gangs, but she won't do that today. Questions the AG's credibility. Did you review the personnel files after the accusations about these firing occurring for political reasons and did you find any information that any of these USAs were ever notified or reprimanded or notified in any way of problems? AG says he hasn't reviewed the files, but he doesn't think that they had. Did you bring the unredacted documents with you that we have subpoenaed? No, and I can't talk about them because I'm a fact witness. Did you meet with the President to discuss this investigation of the USA firings? AG says he wouldn't characterize this as politically motivated firings. Did you meet with the President about document production? I haven't met with the President to discuss document production. What do you know — what would you like to tell us about the USA firings? (CHS notes: Rep. Waters is a tad bit frustrated with the non-answer answer dance.) AG says that we have provided a lot of information to the Congress, and he's not involved on documentation information because he's recused himself from decisions on the documents due to being a fact witness.
***Note to everyone: I have to take The Peanut to a doctor's appointment at 3 pm ET, and will have to leave here earlier than that to get to the office on time. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up.***
REP. KING QUESTIONS: Doesn't agree with Rep. Waters' characterization, and now we are back to pending investigations before Congress. (CHS notes: He's referring to Rep. Mollohan, I believe — or perhaps Lewis. There is a reference to Appropriations Committee, and both have been under investigation at one point or another. But King is too weaselly to say which he is referring to by name, so I'm not exactly clear which one he means. Did he say a particular name and I missed it somewhere?)
REP. DELAHUNT QUESTIONS: You have been a supporter of the Patriot Act? Yes. You have ability to detain individuals for terrorism reasons? You can't delegate that decision to anyone else, correct? Yes. Delahunt getting into a specific case now — Luis Posada Corriles. AG says that there are still ongoing matters in the Department and he doesn't want to jeopardize that. Delahunt says that the judge was scathing in the release order. (CHS notes: Inference appears to be that someone at DoJ muffed the case. Interesting.)
REP. ISSA QUESTIONS: Issa now using his time to gripe about Carol Lam and individual cases to try and make his political pressure look noble and Carol Lam look like a slacker. (CHS notes: Not at all predictable.) Issa asks because of this process, you may be gunshy about firing someone, and I want you to be more stringent in requiring USAs to do what i think they should do — so will you do that? AG says this process has been liberating for him, in terms of talking with USAs about where they are falling short. And now we're onto the "blame Clinton" portion of the program, with the how USAs are replaced at the start of a term — or not. Issa calls the Bush Administration "less partisan." (CHS notes: totally credible coming from a non-partisan guy like Issa…yep.)
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Christy!!
heh lolo beat me :(
Thank you FDL.
I wonder how many hit’s you’re getting from DC?
Let’s please be judicious with our comments.
Thanks,
Lee’s mike just cut out damn it. I was enjoying her diatribe on the Texas Youth Justice and civil rights violations.
Almost EPU’d from last thread:
Q: In Soviet Russia, to succeed one had to belong to the Communist Party. So much so that the Communist Pary was called The Party. Of course, every Soviet citizen was free to join The Party.
Under your regime, we see a Party membership test for hiring US staff attorneys. We see pressure to prosecute Democrats on slight or imagined bases and pressure to ignore likely true corruption of Republicans.
My question: In terms of elections in this country, Karl Rove has declared supremacy of “the math.” In terms of citizenship and the full enjoyment of the rights, privileges, and responsibilities of American citizenship, has your office engaged in a systematic, intense, Soviet-style campaign to deprive Democrats of that citizenship and make the Republican Party, like the the Communist Party, “The Party”?
EPU’ed I would like to see asked:
How big a problem do you think voter fraud is? Give me numbers.
Are poor and minorities most often involved in such prosecutions?
Do the poor and minorities most often vote Democratic?
Is voter suppression a bigger problem than voter fraud? Give me numbers.
When voter rolls are purged are the poor and minorities most often affected over other classes of voters? Give me numbers.
Why did 80% of prosecutions of state and local officials for corruption involve Democrats? Please explain. How is this not partisan?
this is really sad/pathetic
Did they turn Rep. Jackson Lee’s mike off?
Sheila Jackson Lee GO GET HIM!
sound just got cut???
Lee:How’re you going to fix it? Gonzo: refer it to somebody.
dakine01 @ 7
Embattled AG now accused in teen sex scandal ‘cover-up’
that Gone-Zo / Texas Youth Commission issue has more legs…
hahah he doesn’t want the American people to beleive that the entire department is politicized
What the hell is going on?????
First Lee goes on and on about non-related topics, and then she asks him what is he going to do to fix the problems he created?
Lee seems to have been napping during Conyers’ opening remarks. Why am I not surprised?
Cannon still trying to discredit Sanchez.
Cannon R-UT
The reason these questions are all over the place is because the hearing is “Oversight Hearing on the United States Department of Justice” so I guess they figure they are “overseeing” all of his crap, not just the AG crap.
Gonzo delegated authority for the USAs to a tier 4 law student. How capable could his judgment be?
ya know, Abu is getting a lot better at his new part-time job as a witness.
I am SO pissed that the R’s are so much better prepared for this hearing than are the Dem’s.
dakine01 @ 7
So was I. Sure, the “matter before the committee” is an important one – very important. But what she’s getting at goes pretty close to the heart of the matter too. The way Houston area US DOJ resources are allocated is quite racist, and quite rightly pisses Rep. Jackson Lee off royally.
How many R’s will join the big Yang lie?
Re Texas jail cases, weren’t there some sudden and unexplained deaths of assistant USA’s in Texas that could be related?
Cannon’s powder is all wet… more distractions…
jayt #24-fear of prosecution is a powerful motivator.
these house yokels are killing me too. both parties…
“Urinating on the preznits leg”
What a delicious thought
OT — Bush on CNN live presser from the Pentagon sounding even dumber than Abu. It’s so painful to ever hear him off script.
Ed*ard Teller @ 25
Add to the fact that the republican kissing-up is somewhat dulled by reminding the committee that under Abu-G he hasn’t saved or improved anything…
Did he really just say “urinate on the president’s leg?”
So much for hardball. AG’s got it too easy today.
WTF is Cannon getting at?
Cannon is having to spoon-feed a bullshit rationale on Gonzo’s behalf.
Question: Fired attorney McKay says:
“It seems that given that no one takes credit at the Justice Department, that it can only be coming from one place, and that very strongly means the White House,” McKay said.
Explain why he’s wrong.
If you don’t and you can’t tell us who at Justice did it, then isn’t it the W house? Who else? Aliens?
Commons3nse @ 34
Ed*ard Teller @ 25
dakine01 @ 7
Lee’s mike just cut out damn it. I was enjoying her diatribe on the Texas Youth Justice and civil rights violations.
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So was I. Sure, the “matter before the committee” is an important one – very important. But what she’s getting at goes pretty close to the heart of the matter too. The way Houston area US DOJ resources are allocated is quite racist, and quite rightly pisses Rep. Jackson Lee off royally.
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Add to the fact that the republican kissing-up is somewhat dulled by reminding the committee that under Abu-G he hasn’t saved or improved anything…
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Abu’s done wonderful things for (read: to) the at-risk children of TX, no?
wow so now Iglesias should have been fired?
Cannon is laying the groundwork for a statement that the firings were performance related.
This is truly a disgusting display. Professional water carriers.
At least some of the Repubs on the Senate panel asked a few tough questions. Not that the House dems are doing much better today.
I didn’t realize SJL had Biden’s disease in *addition* to being a compulsive liar and nutjob (no, seriously: she routinely wins “Craziest Congressperson to work for” in surveys, and when asked why, one former employee said, simply, “She lies.”)
Biodun @ 36
Margolis good and loved, Iglesias and Lam bad bad bad and deserved to be fired… nothing to see here, move along
Chris @ 43
Well, well, well. I was wondering how long before we’d see/hear from you.
Mel Watt up
I forwarded Marcy’s questions to Conyers’ office via e-mail. Wish I had access today to a fax machine.
Granted, I am not able to focus my entire attention on the shenanigans going on right now (damn that work), but it reads as if there is nothing but BushCo sycophants asking questions of Abu. Is anyone drilling this guy?
Dee Loralei @ 39
What Gonzo meant: “Who could have foreseen that Iglesias would fail to report to me those phone calls back in October 2006.”
noen from epuland:
With all due respect, I think people are delusional if they truly believe that any staffer, dem or repub, would ever spend an instant of their time on a blog. We are the rabble, they don’t associate with the likes of us. And it isn’t how things work anyway.
I’m happy to say that you’re simply wrong about this. You don’t hear much about it if you don’t talk to staffers yourself, because they prefer to keep a low profile, with the focus on their elected officials. They also prefer you not discuss conversations and emails. But it really isn’t that hard to put yourself in regular touch with a staffer, especially your own member of Congress.
I ain’t no Jane or Christie–I just live in comments. But they are paying attention, believe me.
During this talk , she makes it very clear who was reading the live blog of the Libby trial, just for one example.
Cannon trashing Lam.
Someone needs to ask Gonzales if he respected Comey’s judgement re Lam.
God–now he is slaying Iglesias.
Of both Lam and Iglesias “Not exactly paragons of competence”
Iglesias would’ve been at the top of his list to fire.
These guys have no shame and they are dumb to boot–just going to piss the fired ones off even more.
Watt: What happened with McCabe?
Cannon trying out beer-pitcher stories to prop up the fantasy that the USAs were fired for performance reasons, relating hearsay and undocumented water-cooler scuttlebutt to base the decisions on.
More amusing is Gonzo’s push to say, *underbreath* “Yes, yes I f*cked up, BUT, ah, ah, I’ll change…really, I’ll do better, we’re working on it, etc.”
Abusive drunks do this too, the flowers and promises after the beatings…
Has anyone asked if Abu has directly discussed resigning with the President? I would like to know if the two of them have had a conversation about Abu’s resignation, and what is the substance of that conversation?
Has Abu offered to resign and been told not to? In other words, is the holdup Abu or Dear Leader?
Watt: are you aware of any reason why McKay on list in ‘05 when it was not supposed to be compiled until ‘06?
Abu: have to go look…
Watt: we already asked Kyle and he’s talkin’ loud.
Woodhall Hollow @ 50
Iglesius is gonna go all Tom Cruise on them, if they don’t quit trashing him on the congressional recordI
YAY! Thomas Wales, he needs to have justice.
jayackroyd @ 50
I’m glad to hear that jayackroyd. What happens to me is that when things look really bleak, like now in this hearing, I get despondent and my darker fears start coming to the front.
Watt on a good track, but questioning almost incoherent. AARRGH!
RE Cannon: worth noting that Safavian worked for him.
I like this Watt guy, we need 1oo more like him asking these kind of probing questions
If they’d just read the questions from Marcy’s list, we’d get to the point a hell of a lot faster.
OOOh Abu AMOST said “When I made my decision” but caught himself and said “When I received the recommendation”
“I don’t recall that “that” (voter fraud) was the reason.
ASK HIM–what was the reason, as you recall it????
This hearing was a complete waste of time.
Woodhall Hollow @ 64
He doesn’t know what the reason was but he knows it wasn’t voter fraud. That makes complete sense.
Goodlatte R-VA (interesting name…)
Goodlatte, changing subject, softball
We (Dems) need to learn how to ask artful questions and not deliver them in such a protracted manner.
List some big hits and land a right cross…
Aggh, again with the IP questions!!
C’mon, Chairman! Any good comments moderator could keep this hearing on topic better than this!
Karl really got through to these guys–ask questions about intellectual property.
Intellectual property again…
Woodhall Hollow @ 51
They’re not “dumb”, at least not in a strategic sense. They got their marching orders today: that Gonzalez has “weathered the storm” and instead of showing the ambivalence and confusion they did in the Senate a couple weeks ago they’re to 1) “move forward” by stressing Gonzales’ duties and, er, accomplishments and 2) evidently to adopt Rove’s tactic of going at the Democratic strong points (i.e., the kernels of the scandal): don’t shy off attacking Lam or asserting that there is rampant voter fraud.
ok who wants to bet money Kkkarl told them to talk about intellectual property all day, because durnit, this is an oversite committee for the entire DOJ
About this “voter fraud” issue. Has anyone asked Abu why some USAs didn’t pursue complaints in their states? Why DOJ didn’t find those USAs’ decisions acceptable?
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More property law red herrings, these Republicans got together and came up with diversionary talking points, this “property law” one seems to be the main shiny object…
OMG…. OT Alert….. OT Alert…..
Repug Obstruction of investigation… EEEEKKK
Another round of you have a department that employs thousands of people so how could you possibly know what you’re top officials were doing?
Goodlatte, like a good sychophant: tongue the bung.
What do you recall? If not, how do you know?
Weasel words have to be challenged at every point.
So let’s get down to cases, General Gonzales what is your position on toenails?
from coffee to Irish coffee.
This is physically painful to watch.
Now we are getting to the kids–gambling on the internet. Oh MY!
Goodlatte: Illegal gambling. (WTF?)
As far as I can tell Gonzo is in charge of thousands and thousands of people therefor he is allowed to be incompetent.
Fresh baked bread (with blue cheese) with old lies…one hell of a combination.
GAMBLING????
geez, this is getting ludicrous…
A chicken in every pot, and a casino in every home?
Dee Loralei @ 74
This intellectual “property theft” is a weird one–and one I don’t entirely “get.” One of the very first of Jay Garner’s first moves, when he was Furher of Iraq, was to sign a bunch of orders on this topic.
Listening to the concurrent Red Herring Fests of Gonzo on the Hill and The Commander Guy at his Pentagon presser this morning is about more than I can stand.
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goodlatte on illegal gambling now, online and such and serving abu a softball.
Dee Loralei @ 74
ok who wants to bet money Kkkarl told them to talk about intellectual property all day, because durnit, this is an oversite committee for the entire DOJ
and Abu’s answers are very well rehearsed, it seems. He sure doesn’t stumble when answering Repub questions, does he?
(not to suggest that he would have known what was coming, or anything)
/s
Conyers is letting the R’s run their own parallel hearing in real-time.
You know, I’ve seen a lot of polls regarding the concerns of the American people and I don’t recall a single one that mentioned the evils of illegal gambling. Maybe I haven’t been looking in the right places.
Thank you, Rep. Waters! Direct, specific questions!
Oh Christ: even our best are pursuing personal agendas.
Fuck this – I’ve got resumes to get out.
RonD @ 70
I don’t believe that is how committees work. Any rep has the right to do whatever they want with their allotted time. I suppose that Conyers could keep them in line, but he doesn’t seem interested in doing that. At least from what I’ve read here.
Maxine brings us back to the point! Excellent.
Maxine Waters tying firings to illegal gangs prosecutions and asking why the atty’s fired
GO MAXINE!!!
Credibility on the line?
Did you review?
He’ll have to answer negligence..
Yup, “I just don’t know.”
Ohh. I thought this was going to suck. But at least Maxine Waters is hammering him on whether or not he has done his job.
Waters: “Have you reviewed the files??”
Gonzales: “No”
maxine had her wheaties this morning, at least.
RonD @ 93
she is damned good! Push back Dems!
GO MAXINE!!!!
waters just woke me up, I just wish there’d be more substance to the energy
Then name a Special Counsel.
We love you Maxine!
GO MAXINE! Abu: I’m recused from giving the documents becuz I’m a fact witness? WHAT the F*CK is he talking aobut?
Did you meet with the President?
Bush on the line!
Maxine is asking some real questions.
Did you review personal files?
He did not reviewed the files.
So you did not know if they had been advised, reprimanded, suspended re work performance.
Are you resisting giving us documents?
Man-she goes on and on?
Maxine Waters is HOT
she sizzles
Answer the question Gone Zo—
“Have you met with the president…?”
Three cheers for Maxine!
Maxine has brought out the brickbat!
Whoah! He’s as much as pleading the fifth!
Thank God someone has finally shown up on the Dems side who seems to get it. Thank you Rep. Waters.
Waters: have you discussed these firings or doc requests with the President?
Gonz: I am recused.
OK, I stand corrected
substance: “the president?!”
President DID NOT ask for the AG’s opinion?
Waters on fire. Finally someone who can ask not only questions but the right questions.
Maxine finally asking the real questions.
Get him on the larger issue, Maxine–did he meet with the president to talk about the USA firings–that’s the ones he’s trying to avoid answering.
Have you met with the President?
Did you discuss this with the President? Did you advise the president re document production?
Did the pres ask his opinion..
New talker: recuse, recuse, recuse.
What do you know? Hahahah ^5 Maxine!
She’s pushing “are you totally ignorant or totally illegal?”
As simple as that…
MAXINE ROCKS: What do you knwo mr AG? What can you tell us today? Why are you wasting all this time? Your reputation is on the line
hmmm – stopped myself just in time – Go Maxine!!
Is “recuse” an admission of guilt?
Finally!
What do you know, Mr. Attorney General?
Yes! Maxine is landing punches at will!!
“What DO you know Mr. Atty General?”
BOOYAH!!!
I think that Maxine Waters deserves a dozen roses for doing her job and doing it VERY well.
The Democrats were aware that this thing was scheduled right?
YOu know nothing–is that right?
Got him. He said I do know something.
So she asks, what do you know? Tell us what you know!
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR YOURSELF?
Why can’t witnesses present evidence?
“I’m not involved,” I’m only the attorney general…
Are you recused, or not, AGAG?
Is “fact witness” the new talking point?
Now king of Iowa offering another reach around
King from Iowa; Here’s an old Delay clone…
Go Maxine!
You are MORE than a fact witness! The buck stops with the man at the top!
As nice as the fury was, Waters had him pinned down on whether or not AGAG met with Bush specifically as it pertained to discussions, after the fact, about the USA firings. ANd then she let him go.
Give Maxine more time! Argh! She was finally making Abu spazz out, big time!
King trying to bitch slap Maxine Waters….
Why can’t it be contempt of congress for failing to review the files of the fired employees, when he hasked for extensions, to do just that??
Well, if you’re a fact witness, give us all the facts!
WHo’s this woman tearing into him? She’s GREAT!!!!
King back on Jefferson.
Open and honest answers?
Open and honest non-answers I would argue.
Yay Maxine.
He’s Schrodinger’s Lawyer, in a flux state between recusal and involvement.
Is this fucker responsible for anything at DOJ?
emptywheel @ 145
yes, but he sure was slippin’ and slidin’.
skilly @ 148
good point…
katie g. @ 149
Maxine Waters of CA (LA/Watts iirc)
katie g. @ 150
Maxine Waters, of CA (Los Angeles). She has always been a major ass-kicker.
Another Republican buffoon up. Oh his poor little ears were offended by Waters’ language.
It’s pretty clear that a lot of Congressman are still junior cubs in training. They don’t have those “prosecutor-go for the jugular” skills that Leahy and Whitehouse and Feinstien have perfected from experience. Perhaps, their staffs are lacking as well. It appears that this committee is not going to give us much other than making DOJ suffer a little more. It looks like if anything sustantial is going to materialize, it will be from the Senate Committee and from what investigators from sites like FDL and TPM can uncover.
skilly @ 148
It’s probably not contempt, but it is gross incompetence.
hahah DOJ not investigating Jefferson more deeply because he was chairmen of appropriations
Tom @ 64
I strongly disagree. We’re less than four months into investigations of abuses dating back over 72 months. One step at a time. I’m also troubled that some people here are getting totally different takes on three African-American Dems than I’m getting. Go, Maxine!
emptywheel @ 140
I wish we could call the office of one of the Dems who is coming up and give him some of your follow-ups to Waters’ great questions. I think he landed himself in a precarious trap–you either completely recuse yourself or not but you can’t have it both ways.
Offended? Maxine didn’t call Abu a lying sack of shit, even though she obviously wanted to. And after Cheney’s remarks, these Rs really have no leg to stand on with claims of offensive speech in the Congress.
pseudonymous in nc @ 153
CYA for this Administration
The house judiciary committee is a clear indication of the difference between the two houses. The minority packs it with zealous idealogues- for one thing- it’s the place where an impeachment bill would start- and when you get into the partisan character of congresscritters- the partisanship is much more dramatic among people who are elected in districts where their party has a 15 point advantage as opposed to the state wide races in the senate. It’s about what the founding fathers expected.
King follows the republican line: Tongue the bung…
xargaw @ 159
Paul Hodes needs to be on HJC.
Pseudo #153-brilliant! Schroedinger’s Lawyer! Quantum theory applied to obstruction of Justice. Priceless.
Shorter Steve King: find someone black to blame for everything.
What a fucking piece of work he is.
Dee Loralei @ 160
Like they didn’t investigate Lewis when he headed the entire apporpriations.
Oh please, King claiming partisan political witch hunt?
Hugh @ 164
Yup.
…And here’s a little peck on the cheek, mr. General.
Delahunt of MA up
Delahunt on delegation of the powers.
King is the biggest tool.
Patriot act b*%#h slap coming up?
Jane S. @ 106
The special prosecutor provision was allowed to lapse during Bush’s first administration. If you want a special counsel, the new provision would have to be passed by the House AND the Senate.
I just don’t see that happening.
Now, if they’ll impeach Gonzo, they can investigate the whole mob…
emptywheel @ 174
EW–Abu is protecting our children from internet gambling. He deserves some love.
tommy yum @ 154
Slippin and slidin if for press conferences. We need to pin him down here.
Abu is starting to visibly squirm–and his brow furrows are getting deeper and he is hunching over the table more.
RonD @ 169
So is Monica G Schroedinger’s cat’s lawyer?
emptywheel @ 145
Yes, that was close. I hope someone gets back on it.
this guy, Delahunt, was a DA in Mass… hoping he’ll get to it.
So is Monica G Schroedinger’s cat’s lawyer?
Hahaha, if we open the box will she be alive or not?
Delahunt asking about Posada Carriles! Hell yes!
Hmm. This is nice.
For those who don’t know, Posada is a known terrorist. He was just let go, after a botched illegal immigration case. Of course, he’s a Cuban, so terrorism is okay. A codicil to the law IOKIYAR, the IOKIYACC, It’s Okay If You Are a Conservative Cuban.
Just phoned representatives Sanchez and Waters offices to congratulate and thank them. Their staff was very appreciative and wanted to know how I knew. I just realized I lost an opportunity to tell them to tune in to FDL. Will phone them back.
I think I understand. It was planned that Gonzo doesnt know anything. Cant perjure, cant lie. He’s not ignorant, this was planned.
LJ/Aquaria @ 164
sorry if this is OT, but which remarks by Cheney?
Abu trying to skirm out of delahunt’s question.
Surprise…Gonzo not answering.
Jane S. @ 163
We need to put Marcy in Congress so she can ask these questions herself.
Can you imagine Gonzales facing off against Marcy? I can think of nothing I would enjoy more.
Abu: I’m concerned about what I know.
Well so are WE!
Abu:
“I’m concerned about what I know”. Yeh, so are we …. also about what you don’t know.
Harvard must be so proud — Abu and Dubya as alums.
carmen @ 190
Tell them they should follow up on Waters’ questions specifically, did Abu talk to Bush? Has he completely recused himself?
Bringing up the Carriles case, why has he not been taken in as a terrorist?
Short answer: Hypocrisy, because he was our terrorist.
parsley sage @ 190
Telling Leahy to get f*ck’d on the floor of senate.
Marcy in Congress? Now there’s an idea!
Oh God–this Carrilles case goes right to the heart of the DOJ hypocrisy. The guy is a known terrorist. Problem is that the cuban right-wingers love him. If he is not careful, he is going to start arguing habeus corpus for non-citizen accused terrorists.
This is BIG.
parsley sage, the VP told Senator Patrick Leahy, on the Senate floor, to “go f**k himself.”
Not making that up.
Yesssssssssss, prosecute this SOB
delahunt tying carriles to abu support of patriotic act.
So if Gonzo is recused, and not making decisions about documents, who is making those decisions?
Delahunt is getting very close to saying they spiked the case on Posada. He needs to push on this–Gonzales is trying to sqirm out due to “ongoing investigation” claims. But as Delahunt has said, it is Gonzales’ responsibility to affirmatively to protect us from terrorism.
This is pretty good.
Under the current patriot act, Gonzales can designate anyone as a terrorist!!!!! Why haven’t you?
The buck stops with you on this one!
I can’t believe Conyers had to cut him off–regretfully.
Kissa Issa up now. admitting he’s critic of lam but trying to weasel out of it by claiming illegal immigration and gun crimes not being prosecuted.
Hugh @ 158
Hey Hugh, can Conyers conclude certain cause for contempt of Congress? *chuckle*
Please … EW, Christy, Mary4, somebody puleeze pool the questions from today’s blog and fax them into every congresscritter’s office. the Dems are again looking vapid in an important hearing.
Issa’s a crook! He knows the law from both sides…
I hope Delahunt is going where I think he’s going…
Nope, doesn’t look that way…
Where *is* he going?
time up – and I still don’t know what he was trying to do. Wasted time.
He’s NOT a General! Dear lord these people are really pathetic.
EllenG @ 204
The DAG, one would presume. Though if you have to recuse yourself if you’re involved in the firings, it might be up to the DOJ janitor.
parsley sage @ 190
“Go fuck yourself.” He said it to…Leahy or someone like that.
Maybe a reason for this kabuki
from thinkprogress
Issa and the Coyotes
But you’ve already apologized for EVERYTHING!!!
You poor AG!!
EllenG @ 205
Scalia/Silberman flunkie Paul Clemons, our Solicitor General. Also a big fan of the unitary executive.
Now you feel better about getting those documents, don’t you?
Waters is one of the few dem committee members who doesn’t have a law degree. Most of the rest of em were law professors.
Delahunt–a real prosecutor. He set Abu up real good on this one. Basically accused him of purposely undermining the case against Carilles through purposeful incompetance and backed him into a corner re the Patriot Act and his so-called unlimited powers do accuse anyone as a terrorist!
jayt @ 211
Delahunt was on teh cuban terrorist who got freed this week aftr blowing up a plane. Abu had called him a terrorist and under patriot act, has the power to declare terrorist and throw in jail. Why isn’t carrilles in jail under patriot act as terrorist?
215/206: Recusal
I think what Abu is doing is using recusal when it suits him to squirm out of answering questions or producing subpoena’ed (sp?) material but inserting himself into the investigation when that suits him as well.
parsley sage @ 190
I believe he told Sen Leahy to f**k off or some such thing
Too much talk about Gonzales staying FOREVER…
LJ/Aquaria @ 215
6/22/04.
jayt @ 211
Implying a double standard. People have been grabbed out of the justice system at a second’s notice under the ‘unlawful combatant’ provision. The terrorist designation can be applied regardless of ongoing cases. But Posada Carriles has received the hands-off treatment — and the judgment suggested the case was set up to be dismissed, a kind of reverse-entrapment — because BushCo doesn’t want to piss off the batshit fringe in Miami.
oblio @ 212
I just realized something , if it is true and He is/were a “General”, wouldn’t the plural be Attorney GeneralS, and not AttorneyS General?
examples of Gomzo spooning out fodder for Limbaugh et al- who’ll say Gore’s fault for ‘inventing the internet’. wait for it.
So when is the committee going to start with the “let me disabuse you” talk before Gonzo starts humiliating them?
snowbird42 @ 215
that’s why that one guy as trashing Iglesias so badly
dakine01 @ 221
F.O.B.
Friend of BushCo
NOW WE GET MORE STALE OLD “CLINTON DID IT!!!”
Abu didn’t know anything, now he knows things.
How weird how his memory comes and goes.
oblio @ 213
It’s a Washington thing to refer to the AG this way. Still it is stupid.
Jane S. @ 196
Did it. They listened for quite some time taking notes. Hope it helps to give our reps more depth and more connection to the resources available at FDL.
Issa – will you promise to get rid of anybody who is not following the policies of the president?
transparency is good, I guess, even from fools like Issa who obviously don’t understand what the DOJ is supposed to do.
Note to Isaa – Abu is no longer the prez’s attorney.
i missed this morning’s testimony – ISP down. i was so pissed off to miss this important hearing that i went to the local starbucks to use their wifi. then i just got more pissed off listening to nonsense about on-line gambling, IP law enforcement and disorganized dems.
lame lame lame. new staff doesn’t begin to explain the lameness.
and then a brief breath of saneness – maxine waters, i love you. (here’s a crappy picture of me, revdeb and maxine in meridan CT the morning after ned lamont won the primary)… but she was so rightly pissed off that abu got away without answering her most important question (what about this has abu discussed with the president).
now, back to lame-assed questioning… WTF is going on? did the dems not meet to plan their questioning? did they not prepare for this hearing?
i want my oversight!!! ok, i’m whining like a three-year-old…. and that’s not productive. so, any ideas on what action we can take? that’s what i’m going to be thinking about. the offices of each of the dems on this committee are getting a phone call tomorrow. today i’m taking notes.
It looks like Issa and Gonzo shop at the same tailor shop.
Karl Rove’s meeting with Republican HJC members:
“So just remember–ask him about piracy, internet gambling, and most importantly, emphasize, Carol Lam is a very bad lady.”
Virginia (Boucher?) just yileded his time ot conyers. Wish he’d yielde it to Maxine, Naddler or Delahunt
Conyers up!!!
Shorter Gonzalez: We were less prepared than the Clinton administration.
fianlly – someone with enough sense to yield their time.
Lateral to Conyers! Something’s happening…the BUSH word!
Yeah Carmen 236!
Is somebody going to start feeding Conyers Marcy’s questions?
THANK YOU, CONYERS!!!
AGAG is all worried about being recused from document discovery, but he’s happy to have spoken to Bush since the firing.
Ask him Conyers–ask him if he has spoken to Karl Rove since then.
We all know Bush is not capable of “substance.”
Tell us something we don’t know.
Rove on the table!! Lie coming soon!!!
Conyers finally asks the question
Did karl get Iglesias on the termination list through Kyle or Monica?
Abu: I dunno
dakine01 @ 222
Because he isn’t so much a terorist as he is a CIA black-ops agent. Owned and operated by papa Bush.
dakine01 @ 221
The judge that freed carrilles was appointed by bush. Carrilles was working for the CIA when Poppy was head of CIA… in 1976 when the Cuban plane was blown up.
There is no bottom to the depth these bushies will go to
“I don’t recall” means “I have to lie here.”
Gonzo has talked with President. He gave words of encouragement (”Keep up the coverup, Fredo!!!”)
Bob in HI
OK: time given back to Conyers to ask questions. O/T. but Giuliani is speaking to Regent University’s “Execut8ive Leadership Series” (??) on 6/26.
AZ Matt @ 237
the same Sicilian tailor?
conyers: We know NM folks spoke to karl. Karl speaks to you about voter fraud in NM
Abu: NM and others like Philly
I gotta tell you. That ‘um hum’ from Conyers when Abu said that Bush has basically been giving him words of support was the best line of the whole day. I almost spilt my coffee out of my mouth laughing at that one.
nomolos @ 251
But the case was either conducted with staggering incompetence, or designed to collapse at trial.
“Have you ever been with the president when one or both of you were not wearing trousers?”
whomever was just up turned it into a Clinton-bashing thing… ridiculous and desperate… Republicants need to find a new scapegoat… and stay on topic!
I love how Gonzo couldn’t answer why the administration isn’t pursuing a known terrorist who was just freed by a US judge… Posada…
nomolos @ 251
It was a rhetorical quesiton at the end.
Wow! He remembers when something happened!
Bob Schacht @ 253
That’s what it’s all about, isn’t it? It’s about protecting Bush.
Sid58 @ 255
Well, that’s about right, because he chose Bernie Kerik as a trusted advisor. That’s precisely the kind of leadership those Regents U folks believe in.
The judge the freed carrilles was appointed by bush. Carrilles was working for the CIA when Poppy was head of CIA… in 1976 when the Cuban plane was blown up.
NOW I get it. thanks. also explains why Delahunt mentioned the judge’s comment about the case being a piece of crap.
Issa embarasses California.
He sure remembers what happened on Election Day!
“Bread crumbs?”
now we got Hansel and Gretel…
show me your crumbs and I’ll show you mine
“I have no recollection..” means “I have to lie here, Karl told me to…”
ooohhhh…
Nice. Good for Conyers. Thanks EW!
miracle/sainthood for the EW…
plus a song:
http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/wheel.html
Abu: I will contiue to search my memory mr chairman (but don’t hold your breath for any valid answers to your questions)
Question for Gonzo: You signed a secret order delegating authority for hirings and firings of non-civil service employees to your Chief of Staff, Kyle Sampson, and the DoJ’s White House Liason, Monica Goodling. Can you tell us why the White House Liason should have a role in those decisions?
noen @ 251
sadly the two are not mutually exclusive (being a terrorist and a cia agent).
AG says Conyters has better access to DoJ staff than he does?
WTF? AG can’t meet with his own staff?
“attacking you…”
Since when is Justice an attack?
I will continue searching my memory Mr Chairman”!!! jeez, what a putz!
LJ/Aquaria @ 157
She went to work for Lamont.
emptywheel @ 246
Just in case you don’t know it already, we love you, your comments, your passion … *smack*
Forbes of VA following Issa’s reach around and back on Lundergans WOW a lot of people work at justice line.
That was a nice touch by Karl–
“Remember to emphasize this fool manages 110,000 employees. Don’t mention that he gave authority to just 2 of them to bypass the rest.”
Oh great….how many employees do you have?
More softball questions and /snnoringg*
110,000 people, and he doesn’t know a thing about ANY of them?
Now lets blame some of the Katrina victims…
The Reps ask such fatuous questions, I use them for my “potty breaks” and to refresh my iced tea… where’s the substance boys? Sheesh.
xargaw @ 159
Congress approved $225 million for investigations. Why aren’t they spending it for this? Get some lawyers to lay out the questions for the congress critters.
Gawd how lame was that?
“keep searching your memory…????!!!”????
This is a guy who DOESN’T WANT TO KNOW…
Forbes trying to sidetrack Maxine’s quesitons on gangs.
Other than Waters, this committee hearing has been pretty frightening.
I doubt they will be able to handle Monica Goodling and the immunity may be a big mistake if they are not prepared to go after her for the truth.
Can’t Henry Waxman take over?
can we ask about gangs in the military?
New thread -RonD got the zed.
CSPAN 3 is cutting in and out…is there another link I can listen to??
how about a rep replying to “I don’t remember”
“It may have indeed happened, but you just don’t remember it.”
pseudonymous in nc @ 153
We have a winner….
New thread.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
dakine01 @ 278
Someone really ought to educate these Republicans about safe sex and the problem with having multiple sexual partners within over the course of one-day hearing.
“So General Gonzo- are you aware of any justice in the justice dept?”
If you had a job to do and we wanted you to do that job and you wanted to do that job, would you do that job? Would it be approriate for you to do your job?
Do you like it when I do it here?
I think one of the most important declarations was interrupted. Maxine Waters wound up for a slam (after Gonzo’s interminablly empty “I take full responsibility,”) and was stopped by Conyers:
Waters: “If you did take responsibility Mr. Atty General…”
(she wasn’t allowed to say, “You would RESIGN for the good of the Justice department!!”)
Fresh thread.
emptywheel @ 291
* snort! *
Dammitall, now I’ve blown my beverage all over my laptop…
Why are they allowing him to get away with this “fact witness” crap?
EllenG @ 204
That’s what I wanted to know, too!
Oops, EW answered @218
Bob in HI
Carmen 233
BRAVO! Way to Go!!!
More please? Anyone?
Love the idea of scooping up from Marci, Hugh, Mary4, Christy et all & delivering pkg to all the Dems.
Maxine Waters always gives me hope.
Then I remember I’m “repped” by Regula. *sigh*