Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is testifying today before the House Judiciary Committee. The committee website is streaming video and C-Span3 is broadcasting it as well. During liveblogging, please stay on topic in the comments, and please try to hold yourself back from extraneous comments where possible to be kind to our servers. Thanks!
While we are waiting for testimony to begin, the WaPo has some interesting tidbits about the former AG in Kansas City having been asked to resign as well. This ties in to a lot of the reporting that The Muck has done on Schlozman, and ought to make for some interesting questioning. The big question in my mind this morning is who else the committee has talked to at this point that we don't know about — and that ought to be a question on the AG's mind as well. Paul Kiel at The Muck also has a good summary of the Gonzales opening statement for today. Shorter Gonzales: If Kyle Sampson had been a better employee, I wouldn't be in this mess. Yep, the pass the buck on responsibility trend continues.
The milling about in the hearing room has begun, and live coverage of it has started on C-Span3. Rep. Conyers and AG Gonzales are having a few words privately at the witness table before proceedings begin. I will update every fifteen minutes or so on the liveblogging. It is now 9:34 am ET.
Committee called to order at 9:37 am ET.
REP. CONYERS: Welcomes AG and says that he hopes that committee members will focus on the USAtty scandal and that any other matters not related to that will be saved for other upcoming oversight hearings. (CHS notes: Cutting off the unrelated filibuster tactic at the start. Good move, if it works.) Proper functionong of the DoJ is critical to the functioning of government. And I am sure that we agree that politicization "casts doubt upon any action or inaction that your department and your employees take."
Goes through questions raised as to how some cases were or were not pursued, says that we need to have answers as to who put together "the list" and notes that there is seemingly little actual knowledge admitted on this. Talks about letter from DoJ employees re: subjecting career employee hires to political litmus tests, discusses secret delegation of authority letter to Sampson and Goodling, goes on to question of destruction of e-mails and stalling on giving the Committee access to folks at the WH, etc., etc.
Conyers says the WH may be covering: "Who came up with the list? And why?" When will we get the entire truthful report on this matter? Conyers reminds the committee that the matters at hand are very serious — the reputations of good and honest public servents have been besmirched and former USAttys have been pressed to not cooperate with this investigation, the Hatch act may have been violated, and the DoJ's most precious asset — it's reputation ofr integrity and independence — has been violated. Until we get full answers on this, that will unfortunately continue.
REP. LAMAR SMITH: We have held three hearings with 18 witnesses, and have interviewed a number of people, we will soon hear from Monica Goodling and we have access to testimony in the Senate. Then goes on to belittle the potential for wrongdoing here and downplays the impact of substantial politicization of the DoJ's activities. Serious questions remain unanswered, but we shouldn't kid ourselves. Talks about an LATimes poll. Goes on to talk about terrorist attacks now and our scary porous borders. We have concluded hearings with all the major players in the Department, with the exception of Goodling. (CHS notes: the "nothing to see here, moving right along" ploy is not really working for me as a strategy this morning.) Tries to portray this as a fishing expedition with a leaky boat metaphor. We should talk with WH employees under the offer given to us from the WH, and be grateful they have offered it. Yield back balance of my time.
REP. CONYERS: Now introducing AG Gonzales via a background statement.
9:48 am ET
Point of order from Dan Lungren regarding a protestor banner from someone seated directly behind the AG. Conyers is annoyed with the folks in the audience — sounds to me as though they tried to discuss with the folks who are there what would and would not be permitted in terms of committee decorum during the hearing, and that someone didn't follow whatever may hev been discussed, just based on the back and forth.
AG GONZALES: Will summarize his written statement on record with the committee. Have done lots of things to protect America, including its children, but I am here to answer questions. My recollections about this matter have not changed (CHS note: since my last "do not recall" fest). Gonzales still accepting responsibility for the firings being done in a public spectacle sort of way. Says he has been extremely forthcoming about information thus far, and that he has soberly considered his prior testimony and conduct. Although the process was not as rigorous or as structured as it should have been, my decision to ask for resignations was not done for improper reasons, and so it should stand.
I did not ask these people to resign for improper political gain. I did not do that, nor would I. I have met with USAttys over the last few weeks to get suggestions in improving this process. I have learned lessons from all of this. I look forward to working with folks at the DoJ in the future and with this committee. And now listing some of the things that the DoJ does well.
REP. CONYERS QUESTIONS: How did the USAtty termination list come to be? Who suggested putting most of these people on the list? And why? If we can answer these questions, outside of the reticence of the WH to cooperate on this, answering this would go a long way to moving his forward. Gonzales says he accepts responsibility for "the process," and then launches into the "Sampson let me down in the way he conducted this process" discussion which is detailed in his written statement. Conyers interrupts and says we've been through this and yet you still aren't answering the questions — that should take about 3 sentences. Gonzales says "it is my understanding that Mr. Sampson went through a process of talking with a number of individuals, senior leadership of the Department"…Conyers interrupts and says, "So in other words, you don't know?"
Gonzales says that what he really needed was to talk with Sampson about this to refresh his recollection, in order to protect the integrity of the investigations he didn't want to taint the investigation information. Conyers goes through the Iglesias firing, and the involvement with Rove and Sen. Dominici putting their thoughts about Iglesias on the list. Gonzales says that he has no reason to believe that it isn't correct — but that he doesn't recall whether he was aware of that or not at the time that he made this decision, but he did have several conversations with the senior Senator from New Mexico wherein he was unhappy with Iglesias. Rove raised concerns about voter fraud investigations about 3 districts, of which NM was one. (CHS says: Where is the follow-up on this? What were the other two districts that Rove referred to? Arrrrrrrgh!)
REP. SMITH QUESIONS: Gonzales says he would not retaliate for partisan political reasons. Did the WH ask you to do so? Not that I recall. I don't believe that the WH ever did. Have you tried to mislead Congress? Of course not, I realize I have been inartful and overly broad. I said things that I should not have, but I've tried to support truthfulness and being forthcoming and accountability.
10:05 am ET
AG says that every public official should wake up wondering on how morale is in their department. Focus on doing your jobs and providing Congress with the information they need. The American people want to know that the DoJ is doing its part to keep them safe. Mentions predators and pedophiles.
REP. SANCHEZ QUESTIONS: Mentions the report on Graves being the 9th potential USA fired. Sanchez asks if there are any more they should know about? AG says it's always been his understanding that the focus of this investigation was only about those 8. (CHS notes: In other words, I'm going to try not to answer that, thanks.) Sanchez now asks about Yang — was her resignation entirely voluntary? Gonzales says that as far as he knows it was voluntary. Talking about the bonus for going to the firm. Goes into the fact that Yang was investigating Rep. Lewis? AG says he thinks he may have been aware of that but that they have a lot of public corruption cases going on…and that the AG is not troubled by the fact that the firm to which Yang went is also the firm representing Rep. Lewis. AG: The American people need to understand that this isn't even remotely improper and the investigation will continue. This is more of an appearance for the law firm and not the DoJ. (CHS notes: The DoJ would have had to sign off on a waiver to allow her to move to that firm, as I understand it. Did they do so — were there restrictions placed on walling her off from the Lewis case? They should ask about this. And about the AUSA from Yang's office who was also hired by the same firm.)
REP. SENSENBRENNER QUESTIONS: Has some questions about public corruption investigations as well. Brings up Rep. Jefferson questions — various folks who have already pled guilty to attempted bribery and other charges. Says his constituents in WI are asking about this particular LA congressperson's case. Gonzales says he cannot talk about the case. Sensenbrenner getting cranky now in a faux indignation way as he and Gonzales go through the "AG is too much of a good guy to talk about Jefferson, so I'll do it for him on the record."
Now going through a colloquy on on whether Rep. Lewis is a "target" (which is a specific legal term), or whether he is merely under investigation. We're having a lovely dance back and forth on this now, and the AG says that the DoJ is not confirming the Lewis is a target.
REP. NADLER QUESTIONS: Do you recall when Goodling started as your assistant? Doesn't recall, maybe fall of 2005?
10:22 am ET
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lolo @ 0
I guess I got those two yesterday cuz you weren’t around. ;})
gabbly link anyone ?
Thanks Christy ahead of time for your effort!
PERFECT picture! Both a puppet and a liar!
Cut the strings, Congress!
I just can’t get enough of the picture of Abu sitting silently, forlornly, and all alone at the witness table. I could watch this every day.
OMG, Christy that is one great photo.
Christy:
Do you have a list of questions that SHOULD be asked, just in case the committee members need a little encouragement?
:)
Conyers just told Gonzo that he has been wasting the committee’s time!In a polite way butit still is a slap down.
Here we go oooohhhh Abu looks like hell, look at those bags under his eyes. HA! Is it getting to him yet?
Abu looks like he’s lost a lot of weight. Clothes don’t fit right.
Lost his appetite, huh?
gabbly link -
gabbly
Truman: The buck stops here
The Bush Administration: The buck stops there.
A Republican farm team! Conyers is not pulling any punches out of the gate is he.
lolo @ 11
Actually -my first thought was – oo he looks pissed. Like, “Good God, I can’t believe they have the temerity to tell me to do this. Didn’t I expalin myself last time?”
Petrocelli @ 8
It’s perfect.
okay — it begins! — here
is my own fantasy photo op, given
that i expect a lot of “i don’t
recall rememebering” out of him. . .
. . .IF i could ride a unicorn to work,
and ski on a swiss-chocolate-matterhorn,
right in my own back yard. . .
oh — yeah — also, a live streaming
video link to the judiciary realmedia,
is at the above, too. . .
back shortly. . .
The picture above is Perfect.
Abu’s expression is extremely tight-lipped, and he’s obviously thinking “Screw you.”
“Who created the list and why?” — bottom line!
Democrats. Do not compromise with Bush on anything. The Republicans view accommodation as weakness. This is not the time to help the GOP.
WASHINGTON – As Democratic leaders feud with the White House on Iraq war spending, lawmakers from both parties are working quietly to break the impasse. So far, no luck, and the next vote is Thursday evening.
“Enough is enough,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. “It is time to get a clean bill to the president’s desk and really support our troops.”
I’d like to see a “clean bill”, alright, Mr. Boehner. A clean bill of impeachment.
Support our troops? Bring them home.
Conyers opening statement “Who created the list and why?” mmmkay.
Abu Gonzo looking grim and unsmiling.
Conyers lecturing him with opening statement that lays the wood on him. He’s not mincing words.
Bob in HI
Gabbly
JMM at TPM said yesterday that Abu is a zombie at this point, the undead in some kind of liminal existence, and he sure looks the part this morning.
Conyers has a pretty strong opening statement. I hope the committee does better with a real target, instead of Comey.
gabbly link
Smith is my congress critter. Redubyacan apologist extraordinaire and idiot.
How many times will he say “I did not like the plan” or “I did not like the process”?
THROW ROVE UNDER THE BUS! FROG MARCH PLEASE!
Can you call Gonzo a lair any more openly than Conyers just did. This is sort of throwing the book at Gonzo. This issue isn’t going away is it. Get use to it Gonzo.
As soon as lolo gives that haircut, I’m getting the next zed.
Just wanted to say thanks Christy while I’m snoozing through Smith!
Quzi @ 21
The likely suspects: the Tooth Fairy, Jimmy Hoffa, Saddam Hussein, Bill Clinton.
Quzi @ 21
The bottom the top and the middle line!
Well, we already know Gonzales “doesn’t know” how the list was created, he’s the little bulldog guarding the White House.
Lamar Smith believes this huge sprawling mess can be wrapped up pronto, after Goodling’s testimony?!?
Oh Christ, Lamar Smith has invoked Virginia Tech and the Al Qaeda attack in Spain … he’s disgusting! I hope Conyers smacks him down but hard!
GO CODE PINK Thank you Medea Benjaman. Please don’t let that guy stand right behind Gonazles, that was so annoying when Valerie Plame testified
Ranking member Lamar Smith (R-TX) wanting to wrap things up and accusing Democrats of playing politics. Wants to accept administration’s terms of inquiry with WH Staff (no transcript, no oath)
Bob in HI
Lamar Smith telling the truth: There’s no “there” there.
Are you here Helen? If so, can you give me the good stuff wrt to Abu?
The Republican Smith is doing a standard: Nothing to see here. Move along.
AbuGonzo looks like ALL of the blood has drained from his face. Look at his lips! They’re downright blue. Where’s that smart-ass smirk of his?
Thanks Hugh
What does Karl Rove do to these people that they are willing to perjure themselves and look like incompetent idiots rather than just tell the truth, “Rove made me do it.”
kdh22 @ 40
I’m here. Suffering thru opening statements
Ooh. Conyers brings up WaPo. One more attorney on list.
Nutwing Lungren protesting against banner.
Who’s being escorted out?
CODE PINK OVER THE TOP!
Helen @ 45
Great…not the suffering, but that you’re here
Looked like a Code Pink person.
Are we doing shots every time Abu says, “… pleasure (of) the President … ” ? *g*
WoW I have NEVER seen HJC get so upset! Damn Lungren, but that chick really needed to go.
Conyers asking for audianceto keep from demonstrations
Abu: I gave you a statemenat about protecting our nation,our children. Am here to answer to the best of my ability” BWA HA HA
ugh, i haven’t missed abu’s smug little voice
Medea Benjamin (Code Pink) tossed for “wrong attire”; Abu not sworn, but now giving opening statement.
Time to hit the mute button. I’m not going to listen to him babble on – it’s the same statement made to the Senate. Heard it before.
I can’t decide whether to count lies, or “I don’t recalls”.
Gonzo: Status quo is what it is. Your move.
LOve the photo with this entry, Christy… Still chuckling as Gonzo says “undignified”
Sadly to say that the bozo that stood behind Valerie Wilson is from AZ. The local Code Pink group is very proud about her (taking that loosely) disruptions and getting air time.
There is a time and place for protests, these hearings are WAY too important.
Who was tossed and why? What did the ’sign’ say?
OT (sorry, Christie, but this seemed important enought) Breaking over at TPM:
Here’s the latest on the back-room negotiations over the Iraq short-term funding bill House Dems are to vote on today: It looks as if for the first time, the House is also going to hold a straight up-or-down vote on whether to end the war.
Last night, Nancy Pelosi called a bunch of liberal members into a meeting and told them that she didn’t have the votes to pass the bill, according to a source familiar with the meeting.
I wish Helen Thomas would sit directly behind Gonzales. A goddess of truth! Oh happy day. Where are you Helen Thomas? We need you!
Abu: Never meant to mislead – in fact I have been very forthcoming. Reasonable people may decide otherwise, my decision to ask for resignations was good and still stands.
jayt @ 57
I’ll betcha there are more lies!
Never for partisan purposes. Ever.
Unfortunate and undignified spectacle for which Gonzales takes full responsibility.
And he did this how?
Although he had only a limited involvement in the process.
So I suppose he is only taking limited full responsibility.
Jane S. @ 44
This is indeed the question.
Abu: preserving integrity of public institutions.
ccmask @ 30
I love you ccmask, how funny are you so damn early in the morning!
katymine @ 60
That scene took a way from Valerie’s testimony. Distracting.
Code Pink blew that one!
Opening from Abu:
I don’t know nothing and I’m sticking to it!!
Conyers: Point-blank: Who made the list?
Conyers: How’d the list come to be? If we can answer that, we would make incredible gains to put issue to rest.
Abu: I accept full responsibility
Gonzo: I cannot properly handle the firing of USA’s but please trust me to handle the most important law enforcement decisions for the country.
Helen @ 69
As if he would know a damn thing wrt integrity
Who made the list and why?
spurious @ 68
He reminds me of J Edgar Hoover. He panders to their ambition and makes them feel invincible and important. He draws them into his schemes, either overtly or tacitly and then leaves them dangling in legal jeopardy. He probably has a secret file on every single one of them.
Abu: I directed Sampson to consult with senior leaderhsip cuz they’re smarter than me.
Conyers: But you’re the one we’re talking to. How id the list come to be. Who suggested the names. Hat will take 3 sentences. Butyou can take more
Gonzo smirking: you know I’m not going to tell you that.
Conyers: “Tell me something“
Here we go “I did not like the process”
Conyers is on him like cold’s on ice!
Wow. Bullshitting from the start.
Who put names on the fucking list, dammit? And if you don’t fucking know, who would you consider had the authority to do it?
Name fucking names, you fucking weasel. Consensus = nonsensus.
“others” throw the others under the bus.
Abu=Protecturer
Abu: Sampson was doing it.
Conyers: yep we been here. You’ve been asked this before
Abu: In order t oprotect this process. OPR and OIG got in my way to answer to question.
Conyers: So to protect the integrity of the investigation, you’re not gonna answer questions?
All attorneys, regardless of party affiliation, should be absolutely outraged at what has been done to the DOJ, and to the profession. It will take time to get the bad taste of this experience out of the American peoples mouths. What Bush and the AG have done is nothing lesss than criminal. The only thing that stands between us and fascism is the law. A very few rotten apples threaten the barrel.
Gonzo: The senior leadership did it.
Conyers: So you don’t know and/or you won’t tell.
Here we go again. Abu, doing same old song and dance: Senior leadership. Consensus. Sampson aggregator. Performance issues.
Conyers: You’re not answering questions. (getting very impatient.)
Conyers: Who came up with the idea for the list?
Abu: Doesn’t really answer. He says he directed Sampson and Goodling etc.
Conyers: Doesn’t let him off the hook.
Abu: It is my understanding that Sampson blah, blah, blah
Conyers: You’re saying you don’t know. You didn’t answer the question.
“That answer should take about 3 sentences!”
YES.
Poor Rep. Conyers, I am feeling your pain and frustration.
This is great! Conyers couldn’t pronounce Iglesias and STILL is kicking Gonzales up and down the floor.
How do you try to tell your kids government service is honorable when this guy is allowed to lie like this?
Whatever you may say about the process, there was nothing illegal about it. Even if Karl Rove dictated the names, it still wouldn’t be illegal.
Abu “let me see what other’s said”
limited modified hangout moves to stonewall.
pseudonymous in nc @ 84
How important can Rove be? Give him up! He is not worth it! Give him up, so that “the process” can move on!
Maybe we should count how many times Rove’s name comes up!
Kansas City Attorney; San Diego; Guam; Minneapolis, how many does that make now?
Infuriating the way the media keeps saying “8″ since it’s at least 12 and there’s a couple of others I’m forgetting.
Why isn’t he sworn? Does it matter?
Abu; “I don’t recall that I was aware of that” AND HERE WE GO.
Conyers: Karl was involved with Inglesias?
Abu: Looking to give an accurate answer
Conyers: So you wanna see what everyone else said?
Abu: Mr Rove told me about Voter fraud cases esp in New Mexico. No specific recolection
Conyers: “You’re not under oath, and you said you always tell the truth.”
Why isn’t he under oath?!
Breaking: House To Schedule Straight Up-Or-Down Vote On Withdrawal TodayTPM
Abu: Rove had conversations on voter fraud prosecutions (?!?) Some talk with Domenici on Iglesias.
WaterboyII, starring Rep. Smith.
Now Rove’s butt=boy from Texas is going into the list Karl gave him to read so Abu can look like a virtuous man.
What a fucking charade.
I’d like someone to ask “Who’s Mr Consensus? For which branch of DOJ does he work?”
Would one of you please answer this question: Even if Karl Rove dictated the entire list, and said “fire this guy” “Keep that guy”; if there was no investigation obstructed by that, what would be illegal, immoral or unethical about it? This investigation has never made sense to me.
Folks may lose it with the avoiding today.
Smith: Did the WH ask for the list
Abu: Not that I recall
Sm: Did you mislead?
Abu: Looking back my statements were broad butI did not intentionally mislead.
Can Conyers conclude certain cause for contempt of Congress? *chuckle*
Gonzo: “I’ve been inartful in some of my statements to the press… perhaps in my zeal to defend the department…” (sorry, I’m gagging)
What’s this “I’m just a fact witness” stuff? Isn’t Gonzales responsible for what goes on in his department?
Wow. Smith Abu = plausible deniability.
S: Did you fire folks for partisan reasons?
A: “I wouldn’t do that.”
He didn’t say “No.” Why can’t he just say no?
we don’t buy it…”nothing improper took place here” We don’t buy it! Give it up and Give up Rove!
As we all know, voter fraud is such a pressing problem in this country, that and the horrendous rise in stealing pink flamingos from people’s lawns.
I wouldn’t retaliate for partisan political reasons. BWAAAAHAAA. That’s a hallmark of this Administration. Ask Valerie Plame.
Get Rove, and you get the ‘big boys’.
Smith – has this controversy hurt the dept?
Abu: The american people want to know if the country is safe from terrorism.
Is making false statements easier to prosecute than perjury?
Shorter Lamar Snith..the Dems are interfering in smooth operations of DOJ.
Sanchez: Any nore that we should know who were forced out?
Abu: I thought this was about the 8
ccmask @ 102
Thank God for Nancy Pelosi! I just wish we could get this voted on in the Senate. Then we’d see which Democrats are working to keep this war going behind the scenes. [sorry for off-topic, got excited]
Go, Linda, go!!!!!
What about Yang?
Go Sanchez…. YES follow that one…
Is there some reason why “LibertyLee” isn’t banned? Their codeword racist confederate name is bad enough, but the rightwing talking point spewing is annoying.
Gonzo: By dragging me in here, you’re leaving our nation’s children vulnerable to pedophiles!!!
Deb Yong – got a 1.5 Million job? Was her resig voluntary?
Abu: Yep.
Why would she get so much $
Abu: Cuz she’s a great lawyer. She’s a woman.
Were there more than the 8? Err, with regard to what we are talking about here. IOW again not answering.
Yang, Hiffelfinger, Graves, for example.
Capital J @ 127
Is Mark Foley in town?
Gonzales read the polls…Americans want the truth. Americans are tired of the spin, the hogwash, the complete and utter bullshit! You will not help restore faith in the justice system until you tell the truth!
Tell the committee who and why! You are digging the hole even deeper! How low can you go?
I can’t say that I…that I..thatI…that I..
Attorney General Porky Pig, ladies and gentlemen!
….and she’s Asian.
A Bush administration trifecta.
Linda Sanchez on Fire! You go girl! He wasn’t expecting that. Bwahahahahahah
Another Gonzales. You lead; I’ll follow. I have no guiding principles, Master.
AP – Prime Minister Tony Blair said Thursday that he will step down as prime minister on June 27, after a decade in office in which he … followed the United States to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Capital J @ 124
and terroist! Horseshit, hogwash, spin and lies!
Rep SANCHEZ;
The same lawfirm hired one of Yang’s AUSAs. THis argument is totally FOS.
Re Yang, Abu is trying to square not knowing anything with leading the Department of Justice.
Sanchez- same firm that hired her was the Lewis firm. Any probs with that?
Abu: Nope the USA’s don’t do the prosecutions, AUSA’s do
Snachez: So it’s cool she did it?
Abu: No conflict of interest. Americans should understand…
linda sanchez, i love you
“I don’t recall” is a lie all by itself…
Abu – “I suspect Ms. Yang was hired because she’s an attractive Asian-American woman and thus a desireable hire for any firm…”
Excuse me – I have to leave for a moment to adjust my make-up.
Sanchez banging!
He’s off balance.
Good stoccatto questioning.
Sanchez, poorly phrased question: Are there others forced out? Only 8?
She gives Abu too much wiggly room.
Was Yang’s resignation voluntary? What about bonus payment? 1.8 million bonus.
Abu: She’s outstanding attorney.
Sanchez: Were you aware of investigation of Jerry Lewis.
Abu: We have public prosecution cases every day. Don’t recall.
Sanchez: you don’t think its improper for her to go to law firm representing Lewis?
Please Gonzales don’t tell us what is important!
Everyone in Linda Sanchez district should be really proud of their Congresswoman… She has a good grip on Gonzo’s pant leg and really going to town!
Kathleen @ 116
Abu will never give up Rove. Karl knows how many innocent people Abu and Bush put to death in Texas. Taking an ass-whipping from Congress is far preferable to facing murder charges.
Gonzo thinks the Yang thing on the up and up.
Of course. To him there IS NO conflict of interest when you are shielding repigs. That IS the main interest.
I think I may be aware, but I don’t remember.
So Abu knows more about the hiring at Yang’s law firm than personnel matters at DOJ?
I get the sense that the House Dems are not going to be as polite or as deferential as the Senate Dems. This is good.
Abu re Miers looking for Yang to be leaving? “I think I may be aware of that”
Aaarrrggghh.
Is he still under oath from last time? I wouldn’t ask him driving directions with out him being under oath.
katymine @ 144
Oh yeah – she scared me at he Comey hearings. But now she is rockin’
LibertyLee @ 96
So why are they lying about it?
Repug: MONEY IN THE FREEZER, MONEY IN THE FREEZER
Sensenbrenner…quick shut off his mike!!
Here come the Democratic felons now…..quick follow up…Doolittle’s wife…..Cunningham
Let’s list all the Republicans who are under suspicion.
emptywheel @ 138
Yaay, EW and Christy here to skewer to Abu … it’s an FDL Bar-B-Q !
“The American people need to understand…” Cripes.
2 Dems in a row. Are Lundgren and Smith the only Repugs? Why isn’t Lundgren questioning?
Perjury is still illegal. Misleading Congress is still illegal. The only reason to lie is to hide something else.
– We can’t allow a NYT article into the record because it says something bad about Jerry Lewis
– Democrats do it too
Great pushback by the GOP.
Abu: can’t talk about the money in the freezer.
Do you think this is a payback? I see Karl’s little hand behind this. After all, this kind of activity is Mr. Rove’s field of expertise.
AP – Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore is under investigation by the U.S. Treasury Department for taking ailing Sept. 11 rescue workers to Cuba for a segment in his upcoming health-care documentary “Sicko,” The Associated Press has learned.
Kevster @ 156
If you had evidence that they fired to interfere with corruption investigations, do you still think there is no crime?
Sensenbrenner. Has issues.
We’ll initiate a prosecution as soon as my impeachment seems imminent.
Ah, Kotex’s constituents want to know when that uppity n-word Jefferson will be locked up. After complaining about Jerry Lewis’s precious little reputation. Dear me.
How about them missing billions off the pallets…oh, right…money in the freezer.
Helen @ 152
I think they might have got him on the record in private. Sensenbrenner is OT. Red Herring
Sensenbrenner:What is going on with the DOJ?
Abu: can’t comment.
Terroist, Pedophiles and money in the freezer! Get back to the fucking topic Sensenbrenner “what the dickens is going on”
that’s what we want to know
Abu trying to look balanced. Tells Sennsinbrenner that he can’t comment on Jefferson.
Isn’t it great the Sensenbrenner is no longer in any chair positions?
Glorious.
Actually asking about Jefferson is not a bad thing. Wouldn’t we all like to know the back story on that one?
Is this political tampering?
Just tell me one thing: IS HE GONNA BE UNDER OATH? ;)
Jefferson should go
Sensenbrenner already gets a special place in hell for his leadership role in the Clinton impeachment. Can’t stand to even listen to him now.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 162
Uhhh…yeah.
Senselessbrenner: “There has to be a bribor and bribee” — aauugghhh!
Now the lawyers on the GOP side are doing pro bono work for Jerry Lewis.
Trying to undercut Sanchez.
Jane S. @ 167
If I saw evidence of real crime, then yes. If it was just an appearanceissue, then no.
THis is ripe. The REpublicans are all panicked to get accusations of Lewis into the record.
Why are they so worried?!?!!??
Sorry, brain fart. Why in the world did I think Sensenbrenner was a Dem? For some reason I was thinking McDermott.
Sanchez on NYTimes article again.
lungren running firewall for porky pig and Abu.
Kathleen @ 175
My opinion? They’re holding up the prosecution so they can keep bringing him up
We try to protect the reputations of people????
Ron Brown?
Vince Foster?
Susan McDougal?
Web Hubbel?
Methinks Dan Lungren protests too much.
Yo, Sensie:
What about Duke Cunningham!?!?! DO you think he was convicted, maybe? Rotting in jail already, your former colleague. He’s got ties to the Lewis matter, as does Wilkes and Foggo.
Capital J #178: Sensenbrenner is wrong. Ref: Teapot dome. Someone convicted of paying a bribe someone else is acquitted of receiving. Or vice-versa.
pseudonymous in nc @ 187
That would seem to be his assignment for the day.
Sanchez is persistent.
Red Herring
lots of ‘em. Too much back and forth – get control of this Rep Conyers!
Sanchez: “My words seemed to get twisted.”
One of the things that shows Gonzales is lying is that while he asserts that he does not know about big things he shows knowledge of details. So with Yang he doesn’t know anything about her then he suddenly knows that she left for personal reasons.
Cannon- BLAH BLAH BALH they are fighting amongst themselves.
Conyers: I am not gonna put up with this. We have to ask Abu questions.
Canon, lungren and Sensenbrenner are all static today. Their point? To waste time?
OOOHHH!!!!
Jerry…do it, Jerry.
oh boy Jerry Nadler is gonna rawk I can feel it!
Was it after she accepted Jesus as her personal savior?
There seems to be some confusion as to whether Gonzales is under oath.
I can’t imagine that the committee would allow Gonzales to testify without first putting him under oath – but could someone please let me know definitively?
Thanks.
He’s not under oath.
Nadler: When did Monica start?
Abu: Um, dunno 2005?
Nadler: Was she involved in hirings/firings?
Abu: Now I am aware. She would have had some role.
*xyz @ 201
He was not sworn. Conyers made a reference to him not being under oath.
Abu G doesn’t even know when Goodling came in and started hirings and brownies.
Nadler is going to nail him: He’s starting with her role in hirings of AUSAs. He’s going after the partisan tests in hirings.
Nadler: ask why Taylor needed to override Goodling’s interference with that one AUSA.
mui @ 196
Kotex, certainly. I don’t think he’s devoted a huge amount of time to HJC oversight hearings since he lost the gavel and the opportunity to bully people.
Unfortunately, (ducks) the GOOPers are right on this one. Sanchez overreached on using the word ‘target’. Its a term of art in investigations and she should have known 1. better than to use it casually and 2. that the Goopers were gonna jump all over it.
You know, I know we’ve been waiting for years to get Conyers back in the Chairman’s seat, but Christ, get your act together guys.
*xyz @ 203
It is a crime to lie to Congress even if you are NOT under oath.
Nadler: Was Goodling involved in hiring decisions?
Gonzo: “I’m certainly aware now of allegations…”
*xyz @ 200
Conyers remarked that he was NOT under oath (!?!?!?) but he has a “reputation” for telling the truth.
Get Jerry further away from that mike. He’s gonna start poppin’ his p’s
Gonzo brings absolutely no notes to the testimony – how unprepared could you be??? He doesnt’ even know when Monica started working there. This incompetent AG is one big waste of time.
nadler – did she look at political affiliations
Abu: If that happened, should not have
Nadler: she pleaded 5th – what crimes were committed?
Abu: Dunno. I always hope that DOJ employees would cooperate
No life on the other side
By Haaretz Editorial
It is difficult for Israelis who move freely throughout their country to understand Palestinian life in the West Bank, which becomes more difficult from year to year, from one agreement to the next. After it was decided to remove West Bank roadblocks to allow for movement that does not endanger Israeli security, it turned out that additional surprise roadblocks had been established.
In the last month alone, 546 roadblocks were counted, in addition to various procedures, magnetic cards, enclaves that non-Jews are prohibited from accessing and roads that only settlers are allowed to use – conditions that generate a frustrating uncertainty for the Palestinians.
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Nadler – he’s my congressman. Some of these questions are irrelevant.
pseudonymous in nc @ 205
Who’s Kotex — and why that nickname?
What on Earth does Jefferson have to do with Gonzales’ politicization of the DOJ? Nothing but a big diversion…
emptywheel @ 204
EW: you’re pi**ed, huh? Don’t know how you’ve controlled yourself this long! PEACE smart one!
So let’s be clear. We shall not call Jerry Lewis a crook although we all know he is one, in fact, one of the biggest ones in one of the most corrupt periods in our history. Maybe they could have compromised and called him the Honorable Corrupt Congressman from California.
Capital J @ 211
Just to specify, Nadler was going after the hiring of AUSAs, which is distinct from Gonzales’ secret memo giving her authority over hiring of political hires.
The AUSA thing by itself is a violation of law. The USA thing is obstruction of justice, but it’s a harder case to prove.
Nadler – 67% of Americans believ they were fired for political reasons. Comey said they were great USAs.
Abu: I think the American people care about terrorists. The children – let’s talk aboutthe children
new thread
Capital J @ 219
Sessenbrenner is an heir to the Kotex Corporation. He’s a sanitary napkin. Usually he’s referred to as “Tex”. He hates that nickname. lol
I’d really like them to stay on point – who put the names on the list.
Nadler – most Americans think you lied.
Abu: Not true. We have been forthcoming
Nadler – if it is true that you had nothing to do with this and didn’t have a clue what was going on how can we believe that you can run the dept?
Jeez, someone do a “what day is it, who am I, how many fingers am I holding up, what season is it” test on Abu to see if he’s oriented to time, person and place.
Abu: “We’ve been very forthcoming”
Doesn’t that qualify as perjury right there?!
If you weren’t involved, how can we believe you really know what’s going on?
I thought Nadler would do better than just read back polls.
Helen @ 225
The point is that even if the firing of the US Attorneys WERE for political purposes, there is nothing wrong with that. They serve at the pleasure of the President. The error was in not simply saying, the Administration felt we needed to make a change, just like a baseball team. But the error was not a crime.
NSL’S! Right on!
lolo got theZeD☼
There’s a newThread
Gonzo remembers everything he claims to forget.. Just re-translate every time…
Nadler: (poll) 67% of people don’t believe you. How do you expect them to have confidence in DoJ?
Abu: (whine) Murkan people most concerned about what I’m concerned about: terrorism, protecting kids . . .
*Abu some of us our concerned about justice, upholding the constitution etc. etc. He patronizes us*
Nadler: grilling on info collected on innocents.
We are taking steps….
We’re gonna make retroactive laws that allow use to collect whatever info we want on whoever we want whenever we want…
And calling this asshole General doesn’t make him one
Fresh thread.
So is it the Kyl type of questioning making appointments and golf dates found in the Senate Hearings?
Need to do a OT rule…. OMG…
Who is the guy calling Abu “General” about 7 times now, asking about intellectual property theft?
ccmask @ 105
Called my Congresswoman and asked that she vote FOR withdrawal from Iraq.
clichy @ 238
They call him General because they sure can”t call him Specific!
LibertyLee @ 110
Big ‘if’ there: it looks as though in the Lam case at least there’s prima facie evidence of obstruction.
Perhaps you disagree
You can not move forward until you clear up the past. What communications (e-mails etc) are they still waiting for? Why no questions about this?
Coble: I am shaking in my shoes and I think the American public should too for intellectual theft and piracy. particularly I am concerned for the welfare of major corps like Disney and Warner Bros.
Did I hear that right? There was a meeting with BUSH and Rove and AG concerning voter fraud cases in OCTOBER 2006?
I can’t stand this anymore. I just have to say. He is just such a weasel!
LibertyLee @ 110
I told you this yesterday, and obviously you didn’t bother to read my reply.
MOST of the USAs who were fired were in the middle of cases that would have led to prosecution of Republican candidates for corruption.
At best this is suspicious, at worst it’s obstruction of justtice. If Rove or anyone in the White House was doing this to help GOP candidates win in their states/districts, it’s corruption pure and simple.
Doesn’t it bother you that the most powerful arm of the US government was more concerned with the political background of the folks they were pursuing, rather than pursuing criminals no matter which party they belong to?
Liberty Lee:
How would you define real evidence of Obstruction of Justice?
LibertyLee:
There is more than scant evidence, there is OVERWHELMING amounts of evidence of wrongdoing from past and present employees not to mention the emails showing wrongdoing and the illegal meeting in the White House to attempt to influence Confressional testimony! What exactly do you need as evidence for an investigation, a video tape? Did you ignore all testimony given by ALL of his employees over the past few weeks that is in DIRECT contradiction of his testimony? DId you ignore ALL the released emails showing clear evidence of wrongdoing? Who made the list? Obviously the White House produced the list since EVERY employee testified they did not make the list! Why did he testify they were fired for performance when all the other employees deny that is true? Did you even bother to read the testimony? How about the testimony of all the fired prosecutors? Keep in mind they were ALL from YOUR party! Appointed by YOUR Prez. They wouldn’t go along with the crimes so they were ousted. The good men left in your party that will not stand for this are few and far between, the bulk of this party are criminals evidenced by the enormous list of them that are in JAIL or on their way to jail right now. What a shame on the entire Republican party that they would harbor these criminals. It will ruin the entire party ( not to mention our country), the GOOD Republicans who are willing to support these criminals ( Lamar and Lundgren shame on you) are criminals themselves by association. They are aiding and abetting. Every American, regardless of party should be ALL FOR oversight of either party. Don’t you realize their crimes affect YOU?
You would let our country and our Constitution fail in an effort to support these criminals just because they are of your political party?
This is precisely what is wrong with the right wing party. They are willing to allow their elected members lie cheat and steal our country into ruin, trounce the Constitution and sink this country even when there is a mountain of evidenciary testimony of severe wrongdoing rather than to weed out the criminals from their own party.
What a bunch of treasonous criminals.
We are on to you and we will work hard to weed out all the existing plants you have placed in our system so far and we will oust you from office and work hard for MORE oversight and transparency of BOTH parties. My party affiliation has nothing to do with me wanting corruption out of my government! WE are the voice of the majority, get used to it.