There’s been some healthy discussion lately about how to build up a blog community, mostly in the context of encouraging more diversity within the progressive online movement. Jenifer Fernandez-Arcona wrote a good diary here, and Matt Stoller identified some best practices for using an online platform to build power here.
I’d like to jump in with some things I think we’ve learned here at FDL about how to build a successful online community and platform, with the caveat that this is just my point of view, and I’m not saying everyone has to do it the way we have. I’m also not saying that our model would apply directly to all communities, for example, to communities who traditionally remain excluded from widespread Internet usage due to economic pressures and structural lack of access. So, grab your salt, and keep the grains handy as you read. Successful case studies are helpful, but they’re not the end of the conversation.
Tip #1: Post Fresh Content Every Day, Multiple Times Per Day
If you want to generate a pretty highly trafficked blog community, then the “physics” of the online audience and medium demand fresh content all the time, multiple times per day. People will come when they feel they might be missing something good if they don’t stop by. That doesn’t really happen with just daily content, because people can scan and absorb in one quick sitting a few blog posts at once. That means, if you post content daily, they can surf through your blog once or twice a week.
That can become a vicious cycle. There is a lot of competition for eyeballs out there. With other sites doing more content than you do, you risk falling behind, and people may fall out of the habit of checking your site. Blogs can have a shopping mall effect: everyone goes there because everyone goes there, and your specialty shop may have great stuff, but if it’s in an out of the way location, people may just miss it.
Tip #2: Enlist a Group of Writers
Because of the incredible demands involved on your time for Tip #1, you really should get help. Even Atrios, the Cal Ripken, Jr. of the blogosphere, has people with keys to the site like Attaturk or Thers who jump in when he’s busy. If it takes you an hour or half an hour to write a post, expect to do two or three times as much time in reading before you write, because the only value you have to a reader is the ability to bring a fresh perspective. That means reading so you can connect some dots or do some digging and research. That might mean reporting, as TPM does through its network of sites, or it could mean higher level commentary and the provision of insight, the way Steve Gilliard, Digby or Taylor Marsh do, to name a very few.
Tip #3: Build a Brand and Exploit a Niche
In the business world, more than one company can exploit a given niche. For example, both Borders and Barnes and Noble sell books in retail stores. There are many frozen food companies. But in the blogosphere, it seems to me that each successful blog does something unique, and once that territory is claimed, there’s no real opportunity to grab that audience by doing more or less the same thing, unless the first mover retires from blogging.
For example, Jane Hamsher saw a niche for a strong woman’s voice in politics whose point of view was rather broad in terms of progressive politics. Steve Gilliard has a niche that combines journalistic critique, great historical knowledge (especially military history) and an African American perspective. Glenn Greenwald brought an incredibly focused and knowledgeable voice on civil liberties issues to break out in a timely fashion on the NSA wiretapping story, and now he’s broadened that brand to include devastation of right wing arguments and trenchant media critique. (By the way, he also posted more than once per day, in the form of updates to the main post throughout the day, when he was at his old site before joining the Salon team). John Amato at CrooksandLiars does self-hosted video content mixed with pop culture, especially music (he’s a former professional musician).
Your brand has to be a genuine reflection of your passions. You can’t fake passion in this medium, and the demands of writing so much content require you to have a lot of fire in the belly to keep after the kinds of stories and issues that animate you. When you recruit people to join your blog as a group, as in Tip #2, be sure you don’t dilute your brand/voice, but bring in people whose style and perspective complements it. If you create a site where people can post their own content, such as DailyKos, you can open up the doors a bit to all kinds of ideas, but some process for sustaining the brand by having a system to give the most front page real estate to people you select should be in place, otherwise, your brand will be a muddle. This creates dissonance and mush, and flame wars tend to drive people away. This is why no one really reads message boards any more.
Tip #4: Cultivate Reader Participation
It’s impossible to create a community blog without a comments section. If you want a wide audience without that, you have to be a celebrity of sorts in your own right. In politics, this pretty much means being a right winger, as Hugh Hewitt, Matt Drudge and Andrew Sullivan have long been quoted, promoted and courted by establishment media outlets. On the progressive side, we have to build our audiences organically. How?
Interact with your commenters. When you post, hang around to respond to comments and questions. People like to react to what you’ve written, so engage with them. This is another great time demand, because time you invest in reading through comments is time taken away from all the reading and writing you need to do to keep your audience. On the other hand, once your little community begins to take root, some of your best story ideas and the links you need to research them will come from your commenters.
The other part of this is you need to have some community standards for discourse. Whatever your rules are for community discussion, be consistent with them. Over at Steve Gilliard’s site, people do a bit more smashmouth give and take than they do here, but people there know the inherent rules. DailyKos has a pretty well running community process for weeding out those who behave destructively, though even there, things get a bit more raucous than they do here, or at MyDD, for that matter.
I think the gender branding of the main part of the community has something to do with it: FDL is fronted by strong women, attracts more women as readers, relative to most other sites, and therefore may reinforce a bit more emphasis on relationship building, and not just the competitive winner versus loser debate dynamic. Some comments should be removed: for example, here at FDL we have a standard that content we deem to be bigoted or racist is not acceptable here, which is part of our dedication to create a safe community for commenters as best we can.
Tip #5: Do Consistently Great Writing
You can’t be great all the time, but you can try.
The medium demands you get to the point with style and wit as quickly as you can (this blog post notwithstanding!). Long or academic type meta-reflections on whatever interests you are not likely to be popular except with a narrow band of readers. Get to the point. Reread The Elements of Style. Omit needless words.
There are plenty of really bright people out there whom I would like to read more, but they make it hard for me to find their point. Very, very few people (like, almost no one) can write longer posts like Digby and get away with it, because Digby’s clarity of thought and depth of insight are so legendary that a whole subgenre of posts has emerged, called, “What Digby said.” I confess there are a few people where I just jump to the last paragraph and then read paragraph by paragraph backwards if they catch my interest once I find their main point. Don’t take a long time to wind up.
You can write a bit longer if you have a real flair, with wit and imagery that entertain, or if you’re telling a great story interspersed with blockquotes and tidbits that break up the page for the eye (TRex here at FDL does this really well), especially if you are offering content outside of the rush of the news cycle during business hours. But shorter is almost always better. This post could be shorter if I had time to edit it better, but I don’t. The value in a longer post like this is that it’s offering fresh, original content that is action oriented, so for its core audience, the people I want to reach, it hopefully has value.
This illustrates another writing tip: help people discover what they can do to change their worlds or improve their lives. People want hope, and they can take more control of their lives with encouragement. If your message is persistently pessimistic or fatalistic, don’t be surprised if it’s hard to build an audience.
I almost think I should have put this tip first, because without this, you will have no opportunity at all to do any of the rest. What’s more, you have to keep this up. This is a ticket to admission item for building and keeping an audience.
Tip #6: Make Online Friends
A lot of people talk about promoting your blog, and that’s important. But gratuitous blog whoring can hurt your reputation. The real issue I think is making friends. How do you do this?
Go to other people’s comment sections. Become known in other blogging communities. Chat. As you chat, you will find opportunities to share with people content you’ve created that fits the interests of people in that community. Again, this takes time, but it has to be done. That’s how you make friends.
Notice this is different from an effort to pressure others to link to your post, particularly if you accuse someone of being racist or sexist just because they don’t know what you’re up to. Look how much time it takes to do this stuff. If people aren’t linking to you, it’s much more likely that the reason is because they don’t know what you’re up to, assuming your writing is really good and your stories and issues seem to be appealing to the larger blogger’s audience. It is true that people tend to find most easily those with whom they have the most in common, but online or off, building bridges means making friends.
Please note, I’m not saying progressive bloggers who value diversity and who understand the marginalization of traditionally disempowered communities should not make an extra effort (in the context of all of the above) to look around to see what else is out there, but I am saying that this is a two way street, and making friends works a lot better than launching attacks. Attacks, in fact, are more likely to backfire, as any human being is going to be a little cautious about sharing an audience with someone who has made a big point of attacking the potential referring person’s character.
Bringing new ideas is good. Everyone needs accountability. I’ve learned from people who have criticized me even when I have not believed their criticisms to be fair or fully informed. In general, people can learn more from critics who share new ideas in a spirit of friendship or potential friendship, and certainly, that’s the approach most likely to lead to the kind of links you want to help build your community and site.
Tip #7: Know Yourself and Why You Want to Blog
This is all a lot of work. It’s a helluva lot of work. It’s consuming, invigorating, exhausting work, and so far, very, very few people have been able to support themselves doing it (and even at a site like this, with our audience and track record, you won’t yet find any here). A number of bloggers are working together to help bring more resources into the blogopshere so that even smaller blog site hosts can gain more financial support for what they’re doing. This is an effort designed to help build a movement, and not just to help a few already big blogs or bloggers. I can’t say much more than that, but there are efforts underway, so we’ll see what happens.
If you don’t want to do all that work, or you can’t afford to, that’s fine. Know yourself. I could not have done what Jane did writing new content all day every day for more than a year, doing all the things I’ve described above, even before Christy joined the site. I ended up here by being a community member who, through my content and banter, made friends with people here, and when Jane and Christy, exhausted, needed front page help, they asked me. I do politics part time around the edges of running my own business. I know my limits.
If you like to do what you do as a blogger, and recognize that it’s not going to generate anything more than a loyal, small following, that’s fine; there’s nothing wrong with that at all. I had a conversation recently with a blogger who had come to that realization for himself and was accepting it, even finding the acceptance a bit liberating. Not everyone should be doing this stuff, because there are many more ways to lead a fulfilling meaningful life, and many more ways to do your part to promote change in our society.
Blogging is not the be all and end all: it’s just one activity among many. For those who can make a go of it, it does become addicting and thrilling to feel as if you’re having an impact on our society, touching people’s lives and giving people hope by helping them find their own collective power. I’m always learning as I do this, and that’s extremely satisfying in its own right. So, know yourself. This can be a great ride, but the demands of building a highly trafficked site are great. Do what’s best for you, because if you have a passion for promoting progressive change in America, we need you for the long haul. Don’t burn yourself out.
I hope people accept this post in the spirit in which it’s intended. These are just some thoughts meant to be helpful to anyone who wants to build a successful online community or power base. I’d like nothing better than to see more progressive online communities emerge, especially those that can give voice to the needs and concerns of traditionally marginalized people. No site can be all things to all people, and that’s a good thing, though we can all work to collaborate and support each other when we share common values. This post is one such attempt by us here at this site.
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Madness, madness, madness.
Pach for US House!
Spurious: heh.
Get this Democrats. It’s game time.
Ed*ard Teller @ 2
LOL!
“Skeletons” does not even begin to capture the counterargument. . .
#8 – Seek to expand your knowledge of issues that are important but about which you understand little.
There’s a big difference between when somebody in a discussion group references an article written elsewhere and when new information seems to be distilled during a post’s comments by the sharing of new knowledge. I keep hoping consensus building at a blog like this will be the kind of place where maybe some rational solutions to intractable problems like Palestine/Israel finally make positive headway.
Pachacutec @ 2
All-purpose! Re Tip #1, this creates addiction–as has been amply demonstrated on this site.
Pachacutec @ 4
That used to be mine, but I’ve outlived most of the people who would have brought them out of the closet.
The “Mainstream” is trying to Catch the Blog Wave.
Rather ham-fistedly I must say. Here’s an example from the L.A. Times, involving an op-ed I wrote for that paper that you’ve doubtless heard of.
Pachacutec @ 5
But Pach, that was centuries ago with the sacrifice stuff…..
uh…..right?
Yes, and your attending to these salty bits is what keeps us coming back!! Keep up the good work!!
Hello Pach…
Cool post on a way cool site. Very nice of you to share.
Pach! so this is what you’ve been up to. nice work.
Cassie and her friends are finding some trouble with #1 since they are all involved with end-of-semester exams and papers. Their new content has slowed to a trickle, but I think they have the other two covered well.
haha. Strunk and White. required reading.
Non-wealthy women. Wealthy women: Republicans are not your friends. Vote Democratic.
Please forgive the OT:
How did Abu do at the hearing today? Did the dems finally ask any pertinent questions?
hmmm seems to be the missing post time…ah technology. BTW You guys are great atkeeping it civil. You make it look seemless and that adds a great deal to the expirience of blogging here. I choose to not engage with the namecallers/hate mongers and love that they are so rarely here
TiredFed @ 15
Especially when 2 of your bloggers are in middle school and only one of 11 is a HS graduate.
Re Tip #3, I sure hate being a ‘consumer’ to whom a ‘brand’ is targeted. Is it all about marketing? Most newcomers to this blog seem to express a sense of relief that they’ve found this vein of smart, articulate, like-mind people.
Good afternoon Pach!
I must say. You always arrive in style.
Lines of adoring greeters & the whole train.
And just in time.
Who could possibly keep going with a pity-party now?!
Game ON!
spurious @ 20
YES!!!! (Friendly was nice too.)
Pach, great article. I’m going to save it for future reference. Well done!
Pach, this was just beautifully written.
I especially like that you did not discount the small, non-content-specific, less travelled blogs, but gave them credit for being what they are.
Not everyone is up to being the NYT of Blogs, and many don’t want to be – we are, however, quite impressed by, and grateful to those of you who choose to subject yourselves to this kind of enterprise. Thank you.
TexBetsy @ 19
excellent!
btw, I think the “branding” has already been accomplished naturally. Now, that wasn’t so hard, was it?! *g*
I know that posting often enough is the problem I had with blogging. Giving someone else the keys would have helped, but I didn’t have enough people sticking around long enough and writing substantive comments that justified it either.
I had the blog buddies thing pretty much down; I was part of that crazy Thers/Eli/NTodd crowd over at the Blue Satan’s crib. In fact, Theri was the one who encouraged me to blog. Still, I was terribly niche. Some pop culture refs, some bitchy feminist rants, some political analysis. Oh, and lots of sex stuff. Not many blogs out there had weekly sex toy blogging and hunk of the week blogging (including a real guys hunk of the week competition–probably my most popular feature). I was happy to fill that little niche!
Problem was, I spent a lot of time filtering out the spam/troll crap. It got old. Mostly, though, I just burned out.
gotta go pups. have fun!
LJ/Aquaria @ 26
You need an aunt with time on her hands to check the comments for moderation 3-4x a day while you work, go to school, sleep, etc.
Log Cabin Republicans: The GOP is not your friend. Please vote, volunteer and contribute to the Democratic Party. We need you. We hear your concerns. And we will act.
Gore/Edwards in ‘08.
FDL has certainly found a productive niche – you’ve got the right to share your lessons learned, I’d say. One large, newer, and commerical-laden blog has decidedly lost its way of late, I’d say, but FDL seems to keep improving.
On the ‘expand our knowledge’ front, while the House prepares to vote on whether or not to get out of the oil war in Iraq, see the links below for vital information that has been withheld from the public by the media and by the Congress (not to mention by the administration):
The “in the midst of a civil war in Iraq” language is actually a con – a red herring Congress is using to obscure the unreported truth that the struggle is in fact between Iraqi nationalists made up of cooperating and united Sunni, Shia, and Kurds who are trying through their Parliament, without any assistance from America or Britain, to save a united Iraq and Iraqi oil, and those corrupt Iraqis America is propping up whose goal, in line with America and Britain, is a weak national government and, especially, to separate Iraq’s black gold assets from its people.
Those outside Iraq who want to steal that gigantic pool of Iraqi oil, are in fact helping to foment civil war by favoring a three-way split in Iraq between Sunni, Shia and Kurds using puppet leaders like Maliki, and end-running the Iraqi Parliament. Talk about the opposite of democracy, and the definition of war crimes. And our United States Congress seems to think this is just hunky-dory – at least to the extent that they can’t be bothered to tell us that this is what we are waiting for before we pull back to our permanent bases. [Same reason Tony Blair is trying to hang on until July in Britain, perhaps, and Wolfowitz (and his World Bank-imposed conditions for Iraqi oil) needs to remain in office just a little longer.]
“Civil war” is code, in other words, for the “oil war” that is actually raging in Iraq today. And America through its military has most decidedly taken a side in that oil war, unbeknownst to the American people. We have sided with those corrupt Iraqis prepared to sell out their people by giving control over Iraq’s enormously-valuable natural resource (its “sea of oil”) to global oil corporations for the next 30 years.
Members of Congress: Tell us the truth about the reality of the oil war in Iraq. Your complicity in obscuring the truth by blaming Iraqis for their vital resistance to our colonial grab for their oil fields is a sham and a fraud that you are helping to perpetrate on the American people. Weren’t the lies that led us into this disaster enough?
The slowly-emerging truth:
Http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/51624
Http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/51657
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/51572/
Brief OT question for firepups? Does anyone have a link to the text of the end the war bill on the House floor? If so please share a link. ty
Oklahoma kiddo @ 16
Since i started voting at 18 OKiddo. It’s now 12 years later. I’ve just gotten rowdier in my disagreements than i used to be. But still a liberal girl.
spurious @ 20
Same here. I’m a newbie who showed up for the Libby stuff, so that was my first impression. It didn’t dawn on me that this was a “woman’s issues” site per se. I guess that is just cuz there’s so much corruption to clean up??? (which affects both men and women…) Grab yer swiffers!
Uh oh, I think I can taste my toes again. my two cents FWIW.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
Try to cheer up, OK. Things are much better than they were at Mission Accomplished time, if you can look at it that way. I know it’s frustrating as hell, but we’re moving in the right direction (dang, I never thought I’d use that slogan!)
If you don’t like “brand,” how about substituting “community culture?”
I am a private sector consultant, after all, so that language does not clash for me, but we do have a culture here, a community, and we try to protect and nurture it.
Does that help?
For the record, my two hunks of the week winners were NTodd and Rorschach.
TexBetsy @ 14
Howdy, TB!
Wow, pow wow is on it again..)
Great Post Pach!
I would add to the “make friends” section: link to people relentlessly. Bloggers notice and love links regardless of whether they drive a ton of traffic or not.
Second, I would encourage any blogger interested in joining an inclusive discussion/community group for progressive bloggers to email me to join Blogs United. There’s about 150 us now and we mostly discuss the nuts and bolts of running a progressive blog.
This is an open, non-secret group that has its roots in the local and regional bloggers who turned the tide in 2006.
What I need to sign you up: Your name, URL, one sentence description of your blog, your city, state and Congressional district.
Email: kidoaklandactivism@comcast.net
Mandrake @ 34
I’m not so sure. I mean, we’re better off than when the thugs controlled Congress……but it upsets me that day after day goes by, the bastards are still in power, and all the bad stuff is still going on.
Mandrake @ 34
That’s OK Mandrake – at least you didn’t say “move America forward”. bleech!
spurious @ 20
FWIW, I disagree with Pach on #3, or at least would seek to clarify: You build an audience by being a uniquely valuable source of information/opinion on a topic of interest. FDL wasn’t built around Jane having a “strong woman’s voice” with a progressive point of view; it was built on being the go-to site for people interested in Plame. Then, people stuck around because of Jane’s voice, plus Christy, Pach, TRex, etc.
Pach gets this right in describing how Glenn Greenwald established himself. Similarly, DKos was built around being the go-to site for following elections, Juan Cole as a source of unique info about Iraq, etc.
Mandrake @ 34
;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 16
Oklahoma kiddo @ 29
I’m sensing a theme. Would it be quicker if we just cut to who might consider the GOP their friends? Say, big oil, fundies, and Halliburton?
Everyone else, out of the pool!
make no bones about it
do-si-do @ 33
I never thought of this as a “women’s issues” site. I think of it as a site that has great political and journalistic writing that just so happens to have many talented, brilliant women as writers, as well as men.
I guess, for me, this is the anti-Oprah site. It’s so refreshing to hear intelligent women weighing in on things that really matter as opposed to “how much do I hate my body” kinda stuff.
Pachacutec @ 35
works for me! ;)
aliasofwestgate @ 32
You go liberal person! ;0)
Mutant Poodle @ 37
howdy MP
Pachacutec @ 5
My sister says, “Skeletons hell, I’ve got a whole damned grave yard in there…”
kid oakland:
Yes, linking to people does get noticed. We do look at who links to us via Technorati because we like to understand how people see what we’re doing, the laudatory and the critical. Accountability all around.
We also like to see when people pull a little further on a thread of thought we’ve tugged a bit, which might prompt us to follow up and link back to what someone else has done. That’s how this collective online mind works.
dakine01 @ 50
Pol Pot would envy the number of skeletons I’ve collected. [sigh]
Yes! I like that characterization. I was attracted here way back in fall ‘05, pre-Plame, by the intelligence and wit of the writing.
Swopa’s right: another element of this is to find a great story that’s undertold and tell it better than anyone else, with research, wit and insight. Glenn did that, and so did we, or I should say, Jane. The Plame story brought Christy in, then the rest.
Don’t mean to be a broken record, Eureka, but the more I think about this, the more deceived I feel and the more appalling it all seems from every angle.
TexBetsy @ 21
And civil. And not prone to the ad hominen attacks that drive one off many other blogs, or overpopulated by pornographic spammers.
Pow wow @ 30
I just about blew chunks while watching Newshour last night. Kids are dying and Bush is accusing Congress of playing political games. I have no words to describe this abomination of a president.
Mutant Poodle @ 44
Big Pharma. Big banking.
Swopa @ 42
Swopa, love ya man, but there’s a reason I didn’t hang out as much at Needlenose or TalkLeft in re: Plame.
It was Jane’s as well as Christy’s voices that resonated for me. They were direct and clear, they were familiar like sisters, they were very much in touch with their righteous anger. Damned hard to separate the unique qualities of their voices from their individual femininity.
pow wow @ 55
Just honored and thankful to be here with you! I have record collection if you need more :)
TexBetsy @ 19
Strunk & White is good. Reading blog posts of people you admire is good. Reading writers who are skilled is good. How do they do it? Not to copy them, but to understand, and see what tools might work for you.
Especially when you’re starting, go back and read what you’ve done. How could it be better/tighter/stronger? What worked/what didn’t, and why? In time, the things you see after you’ve left something behind for a spell appear to you as you go.
Blogging is some kind of hard work. I used to post odd items for a friend’s blog, and it was hours before I felt I had it nailed, both in content and style. And almost always, looking back, it could have been better.
In time, you find your voice. It may never be easy, but it can be a smoother ride…
Mandrake @ 46
“Anti-Oprah” site. Love it! ;)
Mutant Poodle @ 44
Your point is well understood. And I want to have open arms to those who have not in the past voted Democratic, to feel free and comfortable knowing my party welcomes them with open arms. :0)
LJ/Aquaria @ 52 says:
I think if you’ve lived and are semi-honest with yourself and others, it’s awful damned hard to get older WITHOUT accumulating more than a few skeletons. As an accumulator of a few myself, I know whereof I spake. ;})
Eureka Springs @ 31
HR 2237, from my rep (jim mcgovern)
Rayne @ 59
I’m sorry, you don’t fit in with my thesis. I am therefore forced to conclude that you don’t really exist. :)
Pachacutec, I would rather know how i could or how anyone could write for this blog. I work six days a week to make ends meet but occasionally i can come up with something worth reading. I am certain that many others here could do the same. The commentors here seem way above average and certainly seem to know what they are talking about. Why not just make this site so much better by including the general community in the ongoing writing? Please let me know if this is possible. If the answer is personal my email is xoites@gmail.com
Thanks.
ok gotta go, dogs, luv ya!
Love ya for your vigilance, your voice, and vision.
dosido
PS it was a hoot watching the debates with y’all.
ciao
spurious @ 56
For which we send many thanks to the mods!
Somewhat OT, but…speaking of winning friends and influencing people, it looks like Rudy’s campaign has scored a big strike against it in that endeavor:
Rudy Snubs Iowa Farm Couple
House roll call vote on Iraq, procedural vote on withdrawal
Pachacutec, this is such a cool post. THANKS! We need all the help we can get.
My question is — how can you get your bloggers to write more than one post per week?
Thank you, selise.
Thank you for this post Pach.
I too, will save it for reference.
Unfortunately, I am swamped at work right now.
I could not even keep up with the Abu lie fest.
I have a small blog and I find it hard to post very often. That is key.
I might have to kick myself in the seat and crack down.
I find it therapeutic, especially after being here most of the time. On my own blog I can open ‘er up and let fly.
I don’t like to blog wh*re, but if you want, click on my name for the link. Be prepared, it ain’t much.
*g*
I was attracted to TRex’s snark on late night at first. He takes no prisoners, and i started watching this blog just before the elections last year. But i’ve started to really watch the blog in the mornings for Christy, Jane and everyone else. It was one of those things that just clicked.
The insights here work for me. I admit, the snark is a big attraction. The flavor of it is more paltable here than at DKos or C&L. I still watch all three sites, but this is the place where i make voice known as a commenter.
oddmommy @ 40
But, the way I look at it, the wheels are coming off. Nothing like subpoena power.
I just hope that most Publicans will continue to act like a**holes about the war right up to ‘08 so they will be utterly discredited for years to come.
I am sorry all this is underlined but the mods will be proud of my first attempt to de-nest and I’m just getting the hang of it (I think . . .)
SnarKassandra @ 72
Simply create an endowment that pays all their bills. :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 77
We don’t have many bills. We are still in HS.
Mandrake @ 45
It’s not. Whatever it started out as, by now it’s evolved into an all-inclusive liberal political community.
Pachacutec @ 34
Yes, much better!
SnarKassandra @ 78
Then my advice is to stay there, never graduate. It does not get any easier anyway. ;)
Swopa @ 66
Yeah, that’s one of the points I’ve made about the periodic (quarterly?) question of “Where are the Women Bloggers?“
Until quite recently, we didn’t “exist” even though there were enough of us to have our own annual BlogHer convention.
Ahem.
Oh, Pach, I’d like to add my own favorite resource and go-to for blogging, for anybody thinking about taking it up or doing it better: See Dave Pollard at How to Save the World’s Blogs & Blogging.
Incredible wealth of content there. Truly excellent, from someone that companies would pay handsomely to provide this kind of material.
CD @ 70
Oh, and the four world Series rings the Yankees gave him are worth a bit more than the $50 NYC gift limit…
spurious @ 20
In this case then, the ‘brand’ is a blog with ’smart, articulate, like-mind people’, which you like, correct? People generally consume what they like, – making them ‘consumers’, right?
It’s just terminology.
Re: writing here. . .
Our writers here mostly come from this community, though many have their own blogs. Swopa had his own blog, but also guested here, and he comments here, so he fits that description.
Howie and Jane have known each other for a couple of decades, way before blogging, and Jane kinda got Howie into blogging.
Jane and Christy talked back and forth about Plame in diary comments, and Jane then invited Christy to front page here.
TRex, Siun and I were commenters here. Phoenix Woman and Eli were bloggers with their own sites who commented here a lot. Scarecrow was not a blogger but we plucked him out of the comments, just as many of us before had been plucked. Marcy was a “longtime” blogger at dailykos and then at The Next Hurrah, who joined us to cover Plame and who keeps dropping by. looseheadprop was a commenter here who pinch hits from time to time.
We’re pretty full up on writers now, and we even had some other folks helping out during the Libby Trial because the need for fast, fresh content was so highly accelerated. We’re very grateful to those folks for helping us get through, and they remain an email away when we need help.
The point is, there’s no formal application process, but we’re always scouting ahead of time for a potential need. We like to elevate from within.
You’re right, our comment community is a rich lode of talent, and we do make it a priority to scout and promote new talent and new voices for those occasions when opportunities arise.
SnarKassandra @ 72
To quote the late Al Capone, you can get a lot farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.
To which I’d add (on a more serious note), what are your carrots & sticks? Does positioning on the home page relate to posting frequency? Or is it purely chronological?
Swopa @ 42
For me it was Jane’s unique grasp of the media, the Mighty Wurlitzer. Plame not so much, but that’s me ; )
Thanks, Pachacutec. i guess i will have to say something intelligent now and then. I will see what i can do.
Mandrake at 76: I’ve had that underlining attack me too!
Appreciate the optimism.
I heard a comedian on XM this morning doing a riff of Bush whining, toddler-like, how much bad sh*t do I gotta do before somebody NOTICES me?!
It’s tough, Snarkassandra, for people with full time work, or full time student, to focus on providing content for a blog 24/7. Very hard. I do just one or two posts per week myself these days because I have to run my business. . . and do the work!
It’s tough in any volunteer community, and a small percentage usually do most of the work. The challenge is to find the right people, and maybe for a youth site, you might need to carve up shifts and time slots across a larger writing pool. Maybe look beyond a given high school to a national netwrok? Could MySpace help?
If you have other questions and you want me to think about your specific situation more, email me.
Rayne @59: I never looked at it that way because as a Southern woman, you are just NOT supposed to get angry however, I have stayed pissed off since we invaded Iraq and am therefore considered a freak because I’m really supposed to be focusing on beautifying my condo, planting flowers and getting pedicures.
I would get so frustrated by the ignorance of the people around me (although some of them are FINALLY waking up) that I thought steam would come out of my ears sometimes.
That’s what I love about the FDL gals! They’re just as outraged as I am about the same things so I don’t feel so alone.
I personally reject the Oprah cult because it’s too ME, ME, ME oriented. I respect Oprah for her accomplishments incredible success in the face of incredible obstacles, but her agenda is just to consumerist-oriented.
Pachacutec @ 84
As always, the cream rises to the top.
Have been blogging for a year and a half about politics, medicine, humanitarian work, and mental illness. You might not see the connections but trust me, it all works out.
I’ve had high traffic times and see how much work would be involved to keep things at that level. For me, not worth it [see prev. mental health topic] but it certainly is within grasp of many people.
If you feel passionate about an idea, start a blog and go for it. Starting a blog is really easy, if you want to know how, ask here.
For me it’s worth a lower level of traffic and lower stress. ymmv
rayne @ 81
If I may be so bold, I would recommend Pandagon which also cover a variety of liberal issues. Just as I discovered the Lake during the Libby hearings, I discovered Pandagon after one of the bloggers got caught in the Edwards bru-haha. It is educational for a middle aged liberal WM to learn how many times I’ve been an idiot (albeit inadvertantly) from a feminist or GLBT or other perspectives. But it’s also fun sometimes tho not as much fun as the lake.
Take it away Democrats. We gonna do what’s necessary in ‘08! Listen up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gvqO9TBuOo
Mutant Poodle @ 85
The top spot is chronological, but you have to have a national topic and not a local one.
oddmommy @ 39
It is easy to be worried. The thought of the Christian ‘domionist’ political machine and the right wing ‘Christian’ Blackwater mercenaries waiting in the wings scares me to death.
Women. Get angry! Do the heavy lifting. Put these Republicans where they belong.
OT: Shrub just said “I’ll miss Tony Blair. Tony’s the sort of guy that when he tells you something you can take it to the bank.” Didn’t we get the Niger memo from the Brits?
OT to Eg — any word from Gnome de Plume and the cardio-issues from yesterday?
Bush just said “radicals” and “extremists”. Hmmm.
P J Evans @ 68
Yes! They really can’t be thanked often enough.
Excellent post Pach. I’ve got one for ya:
#8) Scour your comments for leads/tips/updates for all posts. I’m a news junkie and ‘linker’. My online ‘friends’ call me Israel Bissell. I surf around constantly and bring my findings back here ASAP. (It used to be C&L but we all know what happened there.)
oddmommy @ 88
Do you ever listen to Randi Rhodes? Listening to her right now and she’s been talking about the hearing today. I looove her cuz she’s as p*ssed off as me! Another one of those “angry women” I like.
oddmommy @ 88
Another plug for a Pandogon blogger. Chris Clarke over there offered a quick tutorial on using/writing html a couple of weeks ago. So I use what I learned there rather than the buttons as I find it easier. But that’s me and I’m an idiot sometimes. :})
Here is a question that I wanted to put to the older folks — since I was still a kid during Watergate — and any historians out there…..has there EVER been a time in American history, including Watergate, when this country was run by a government as thoroughly and utterly rotten to the core as this one??
I mean, my understanding is that even Nixon accomplished a few positive things.
Ed*ard Teller @ 2
Pach would actually make an excellent congressman.
Lou Costello @ 102
We get our best and most original story ideas from links in the comments.
retirin’ in five @ 99
I haven’t heard from Gnome today. If you’re here please light a fire under yr cardiologist, it’s potentially quite serious with the fainting along with ventricular fibrillation. Second opinion possible in your community?
For me, it’s all about the writing. Whoever the author, Jane, Christy, PW, EW, Pach, Trex, Scarecrow, or that Swopa person (*g*), if the writing makes me smile, laugh, frown, cry, or best of all, think, then I keep coming back, and back, and back….
I’m not forgetting the commenters, either! What a great community is FDL. And, of course, you’re all so good-lookin’!
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Firepup Patriots:
Huston, We have a problem!!! The Democrats are bailin’ out on the Iraq war fundin’…the fascists are gettin a vote ta recommit with instructions. It’s time ta hit the steets Firepups!!
KEEP THE FAITH, IT’S TIME TA MAKE ‘EM BELIEVE WE’RE SERIOUS!!
realworld @ 98
Italians, custom made to our request.
oddmommy @ 105
I’ve studied history somewhat and was in college during the H2Ogate. Grant’s terms were fairly corrupt as was Harding’s one term. But in total, I think this mis-administration is clearly at the bottom for lack of accomplishments combined with corruption.
LS @ 100
See, they’re “rebranding” here. They’re moving away from “terrrism” and using terms like “Islamic extremists” and bleh, bleh, bleh. I have noticed other Pubs doing this. They ALL got the memo.
Jane Hamsher @ 106
Isn’t he in or near Stenys district? oh Pach..)
Lou Costello at 102:
#8) Scour your comments for leads/tips/updates for all posts. I’m a news junkie and ‘linker’. My online ‘friends’ call me Israel Bissell. I surf around constantly and bring my findings back here ASAP. (It used to be C&L but we all know what happened there.)
I love all the extra bonus gifts (links to cool stuff) I get this way, but no clue about what ‘happened at C&L’.
SnarKassandra @ 95
Not that you’re the problem, but what would make YOU want to post more often? Is that applicable to your peers?
It’s tough when there’s no money (why Pach mentioned that passion thing) but I remember this coming up and Peterr (I think) mentioning that FDL bloggers were on a schedule. Perhaps knowing that you have to post every other day would be less stressful than having no schedule but thinking that you need to always be getting a post ready. Make sense? Pach is right – it’s work, and if you guys think of it that way (fun work, that you’re passionate about, but nonetheless…) maybe that will help.
And (speaking as a former executive, maybe ask your peers what would help. Their solutions will tell you a lot (I would think) about what motivates them.
OT:
Listening to HJC replay. Gonzo is busted. He stated that he has not been in contact with the material witness of the investigation because he is a “fact witness”.
Yet in his testimony about Schlozman he stated, I just spoke to Mr. Schlozman this morning….? Sclozman has been requested to testify in the investigation. Hmmmmm. Which is it Abu? Are you discussing with the witnesses or not?
oddmommy @ 105
Harding was really bad. So was Fillmore.
Final house vote, 5 minutes, electronic vote.
Distressing number of Dem no votes. Is there an election coming up any time soon?
oddmommy @ 105
Let’s see, Harding and the Teapot Dome scandal (IIRC, that involved oil). I understand Grant’s presidency was no shining moment either.
But the Idiot-in-Chief’s over-the-hill-gang is a dazzling combo of malevolence and incompetence.
Pachacutec, this is great!
I’ve been almost not here the last month, due to the loss of my major client. If anyone who missed me wants to see what I’ve been doing, click my link — but warning, it involves a little utility I’ve written. I do not mean to blogwhore!
So often I get overwhelmed with what is wrong with the world. This post reminds me that the infrastructure is being built to reclaim truth, justice, and the American way.
dakine01 @ 112
And beyond Nixon (the previous champ) in trying to turn the government into a tool for the retention of their own power.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 94
OK, that was some good, dirty blues! Just one little harsh on the groove, there: the Election ‘08 banner at the top of the page with “Spotlight on Duncan Hunter”! ;0)
Watch out, everybody, I think OK’s goin’ down to Washington to kick some fleshy, white, men butts!
Gotta bug out. Y’all have a great evenin’!
Mandrake @ 90
I think that’s the underlying archetypal message hidden within The Wizard of Oz: are you a good witch, or a bad witch?
Women for too long have been dismissed, and their anger used against them as a tool for the purpose of dismissal, and all too common in Southern culture. But being highly effective in one’s anger changes the entire equation — in other words, being a good witch over being a bad witch. Embracing righteous anger and putting it to purposeful use is incredibly powerful, can save a nation (think Joan of Arc).
And lo, strong women like Jane and Christy, effective, purposeful, angry, were able to break through the bloggerhead locking women out of the upper echelons of bloggerdom. Call it branding or community culture, but it worked for me.
dakine01 @ 93
Pandagon is one of many out there who are effective bloggers, but I am a politics addict and this place is the fix that works best for me, with The Next Hurrah, AtLargely and Michigan Liberal following closely.
LJ/Aquaria @ 118
Bush takes the cake and the plate.
Let’s not forget James Buchanan. Awful President, Bush might have some competition there for stupid.
Mutant Poodle @ 61
Once upon a time, I was a professional editor. If you really want to improve your writing, try printing it out and making the changes in ink on the page, then keying them in. The object here is to slow you down so that you think harder about every word (is it necessary? does it say exactly what I mean?). Eventually this will not be necessary; but for beginners, it should help a lot.
Elliott @ 126
I dunno. Harding had a stroke before he could do worse damage.
egregious @ 108
Yeah, Gnome! Get on it! When we get to Boerne in five years, we expect a full FDL housewarming from Mr. & Mrs. Gnome and all the lesser Plumes and Plumettes.
randiego @ 115
The mods were/(are?) small minded and way to powerful. It’s one thing to keep trolls to a minimum, but when they started ‘editing’ comments to fit their own personal perspective, it kinda chaps your ass. I don’t know if JohnA. knew how his mods were acting, but you can’t fight city hall. I adore free speech and intelligent discourse, everything I find here at FDL.
Rayne @ 125
I agree that this place is best for my poltical jones but Pandagon also has helped feed the need. I visit about 15 or 20 each day, about five multiple times a day but spend significant amounts of my unemployed day here and Pandagon.
But you neglected to mention MaryFuckingScott O’Connor!
Fuck!!!!! She’ll be pissed!!!!
Mention her now!!!
Harding, Grant, et al…….did any one of them start a f*****g useless war that killed tens of thousands of people?
Recently, I heard a Repub describe how terrorists become terrorists. The language used was that they were regular people who became “radicalized” by political and/or religious propaganda. What concerns me about this talking point type of language is that it may be a beginning to frame and define regular people who hold certain opposing ideas to the “mainstream message” as “radicalized” and one word away from the definition of terrorist. With the president’s current ability to define who is and who is not a terrorist, that just creeps me out.
LJ/Aquaria @ 127
he should have stayed in Wheatland,
and if only G. W. had stayed in Crawford, minding the brush down there.
Sorry. I meant MaryF******Scott O’Connor
Pach, you are to be commended. I read the entire post. Admittedly, I am normally turned off by long posts that go on and on and never get to the point. Consider it a compliment that I read it for what that is worth. You made points.
It may not be so for everyone but as an example, Matthew Yglesias was one of those sites for me, even prior to his association with TPM that I thought had posts too long and complicated, even if I agreed with everything he said. He seemed to regale in long posts that never brought it home. It was no surprise to me when he and TMP parted ways. Still, with his new site I still want him to get to the point. It is a bit like wanting Conyers to reign it in and bring it home today. Frustrating.
I must admit to increasingly coming to FDL for the live blogging, the civility, and the content. To me content is king and the posters and frontpagers here are top notch.
Sorry for the ramble. Obviously, I am no contestant for starting or being a primary contributor to a blog. But. I do know what I like and why I come here.
oddmommy @ 134
Buchanan’s ineptness pretty much made the Civil War inevitable, so I’d say yeah.
IrishJim @ 117
No, I believe he said he spoke with the head of Civil Rights, whom I assume to be AAG Wan Kim.
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Firepup Patriots:
The Iraq War funding bill is goin’ down in flames and Tony Blankley was jest on Hardballs tellin’ Tweety that we will be in Iraq indefinitely if the troops are there in January of 2009. He said that Bush had lost the confidence of the American people on Iraq but that no Democrat had won their confidence to handle a withdrawal.
This is it folks, the Democrats are bailin’ out on our boys in the desert…there is no recourse but to organize a MASSIVE march on the Democratic officials in Washington. Get hundreds of thousands in front of the Lincoln Memorial and send in waves of 1,000 at a time to the capitol.
KEEP THE FAITH BROTHERS AND SISTERS, THOSE KIDS THEY SENT TO DIE OUT THERE ARE COUNTIN’ ON US!!
Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but there’s an interview with fired U.S. Attorney David Iglesias over at My Left Wing.
oddmommy @ 134
Would the destruction of many Native American tribes count? I’d have to double-check, but my memory is insisting that Custer’s campaign and demise happened during Grant’s watch. And there were atrocities committed by the US Army.
randiego @ 82
I know, but language is important. Just look at the Rove/Newtie/Atwater discipline of ‘defining’ their opponents.
Great post Pach. FWIW I’ll soon post a reply that I hope will help fdl, a blog I’m totally addicted to. But in a good way…
The reply won’t be in this string but it will be here in spirit.
Keep on truckin (((FDL)))
OT ~ CNN bashing Michael Moore about going to Cuba. Never once mentioned that ‘Fahrenheit 9/11′ was right. There’s a post idea for ya Pach. A list of all the things that MM said turned out to be true. *wink
emptywheel @ 140
Thanks EW.
Ed Rooney @ 133
Stopped reading her a year ago. I don’t relate well with people who constantly yell at me.
OT: Revolting, fact-free hit piece by Dan Goure on NPR spinning Wolfie’s problems
as upright Neocon vs. corrupt eurotrash World Bank.
Not wise of NPR to run crap like this during a fund drive.
spurious @ 144
I’m sure this has been said b4, but the part of George Orwell’s “1984″ about the effective manipulation of language has always struck me as a purely brilliant insight……and lo and behold……
Pachacutec @ 35
Brand == community culture
Brand Consistency == cultural integrity
Consumers == audience, community
I’m cool w/ jumping back and forth between the two worlds. But, I like community — captures the back and forth better.
Brisingamen @ 143
The list of Presidents involved with that could take a while. I’d say most of them up until the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 (Coolidge).
oddmommy @ 150 says:
Well he did have the benefit of Goebbels’ activities. And I believe the War Department name change to Department of Defense had occurred so it’s not as if he was operating without examples.
oddmommy @ 40
I’m having trouble with this today too … I wanna see some change!!!!!!
oddmommy @ 105
No.
Great post, Pach!
The key I think is to remember that this blog thing is a communal activity — there are great and distinctive individual voices in the liberal blogosphere, and all sorts of different communities, but the main point for me is that this is a movement consisting chiefly of people who thought they were all alone out there in, say, the fall of 2002.
I tend to read blogs that have some understanding that it’s an “us” and not a “me” activity.
I also like blogs that make fun of Jonah Goldberg, because he’s a dope.
I was in college when Nixon resigned (dating myself). We had a party that night, watched him make the announcement then spent the rest of the night celebrating. But, speaking from the point of view as a 20yr old, we hated him because of Vietnam. We did not think he had destroyed the country. Others may have had different opinions, but for the college kids, it was all Vietnam.
Women, you have the power. What power!? The power to set this nation on the path to freedom.
pow wow @ 30
Great work!
and thank you. I had it completely backwards (see below).
So this is the neo-cons’ brilliant strategy to seize control of the oil the neo-cons forbade Iraq from exporting to the US.US to Iraq:
Give us your oil, or we’ll take our war and go home.
Yes: that’s the key.
The rest is right on, too.
The Speaker is doing the job.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 97
and not to be too mean and snarky, but after watching the rethugs over the last weeks, we are talking some *heavy* lifting if we try to put those guys in the trash where they belong.
Hi Pach-thanks for the advice. As a small blogger out in the hinterlands, I appreciate all the help I can get. You and the rest of this site, writers and commenters, are a wonderful group with which to hang out, and have set a very high bar for intelligence and quality. Thanks again.
I just got here and haven’t read all the comments so I hope this hasn’t been asked.
How did Firedoglake start?
I’d be curious to know the history here and how you all got involved.
and when all else fails, write a post about blogging:)
oddmommy @ 40
This is what 1973 felt like. It seemed like too few could see how bad things had gotten with Tricky Dick, that no one was listening, nobody cared…but the Senate and courts kept plugging away, slowly but surely. Even Bernstein and Woodward weren’t household names at that point, really, and they were pretty much lone voices (although Sy Hersh would show them up for fun, every now and again).
Sometimes it takes a while, and we never know what will make the dam break for good. But we’re in for a big one this time.
solai @ 157
Well for some of us, we did recognize that he was trying to corrupt the political system with the break-in. But then, he only had the AG in his pocket, not most of the rest of the DoJ as well. Plus he had to work around a Dem house and Senate, unlike the present occupier of space.
“This is what 1973 felt like.” On steroids. Them, not us. But we’re getting there.
dakine01 @ 153
Well he did have the benefit of Goebbels’ activities. And I believe the War Department name change to Department of Defense had occurred so it’s not as if he was operating without examples.
I reckon. Though there was an aspect of it, in particular, about the actual reduction of language, elimination of words, that struck me as particularly powerful…..i.e., how can you articulate a concept that goes against the “groupthink” if there isn’t even a word for it?
I would say president bozo is doing his best to move that one along with his own shining example of how far you can get with a limited vocabulary.
retirin’ in five @ 130
Was Gnome experiencing fainting and ventricular fibrillation or is this a reference I’m not understanding?
solai @ 164
There are some comments I’ve made above that give some history, but it really started with Jane furious around the 2004 election and starting a blog to sustain her sanity.
But she very deliberately and consciously set out to do all of the tips outlined above. She surveyed the landscape and proceeded with a plan, and then worked her butt off like nobody’s business.
Greenwarrior — Gnome’s spouse.
LJ/Aquaria @ 166
In ‘73, most of the National media was of the “Watergate is a two bit break-in story. Nothing to see here. Move along.” I believe Joseph and Stewart Alsop were fulfilling the Broder role in those days.
Solai, I equate with your time frame. It was Vietnam. As it is Iraq now. There may be fewer bodybags, but there are so many more living, breathing, broken souls. They and theirs — and we who care about them — are congealing like a beast to fight back.
And if the Democrats in Congress don’t get it why we put them there, well, we are only one election away from reminding them.
LS @ 134
Jesus. Me too. And I wish congress would investigate Bush’s use of paramilitary mercenaries.
solai @ 164
Iirc Jane wanted a place to keep all her kos posts together. A few emails here and there “and before you know it you’re at 100,000.”
Christy joined approx October 2005 with her prosecutor view on Plame and the combination of Jane and Christy was magical.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 161
Speaker Pelosi is the only highly placed elected official we have these days who comes close to acting “Presidential” — I was excited about her being Speaker, and she’s exceeded my hopes.
I was only 12 when Nixon resigned, but I had watched the hearings thanks to my grandmother; I was out of school for a rather long time due to a serious illness. Anyway, the storyline confused me a lot, until my grandmother recommended that I make a list of the people and what was talked about. I remember sitting on the floor and spreading out blue-lined notebook paper with names inside boxes with lines drawn between them, when they testified, what was asked/answered. When I did go to school, she kept notes for me (very sweet of her, since she had crippling arthritis in her hands and could barely write). After a while, “the list” covered our whole living room floor, but I understood it all. I wish I’d kept all those papers.
dakine01 #173-as usual, you are right on. The Alsop brothers! Yes, they were indeed the Broder-surrogates of the day. Watergate was when I discovered Hunter S. Thompson, who Frank Mankiewicz (McGovern’s campaign manager) described as the “least factual but most accurate”. I think his ghost now lives on in the blogosphere.
LJ/Aquaria @ 178
I was a sociology major with military and political science minors at the time. Even had a class on American Presidents during the spring of ‘73 so following H2Ogate was pretty much mandatory viewing and reading.
oddmommy @ 149
Exactly.
RonD @ 179
Evans and Novak were no gems, either. I learned then not to trust anything Novak says. I haven’t been wrong since.
retirin’ in five @ 172
Thanks and heartfelt wishes for good care and speedy recovery to Gnome’s other half.
RonD @ 179
I used to literally wait beside the mailbox for my subscription to Rolling Stone every two weeks in order to read Hunter’s latest diatribe from the campaign trail in ‘72. Fear and Loathing indeed.
LJ/Aquaria @ 182
IIRC it was Tip O’Neill who coined the name “Errors and NoFacts”
retirin’ in five @ 172
Son, I thought.
I thought there was to be more of the hearing after the vote. That the US Attorneys were to be last. Did I miss it and they already did that? Or….?
LJAquaria, also thank the Powers for Katherine Graham, without whom the WaPo would never have taken point against the Administration. I did something very similar, only I used a portable tape recorder to make charts of the players. I, also, have never forgiven Gerald Ford, both for the Pardon, and for essentially being the FBI’s guy on the Warren Commision.
Right, Kirk, @ 159. It’s actually much closer to:
US to Iraq: “Give us your oil, and then we’ll take our war and go home.”
Armed Services Appropriations hearing with Robert Greenwald video at The Gavel:
LINK
Woman. Take care of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3deToKl_Dg
LS @ 135
They’re (GOoPers and MSM) starting the reframe already, I’ve heard. I was told that Reagan is now a ‘moderate’, the folks just to his left are ‘progressives’ (the DINOs and RINOS?), then the ‘liberals’ (the DLC Democrats?), then the ‘radicals’ (like us).
Until they give names with the categories, it’s hard to know where the boundaries are.
retirin’ in five @ 168
Sort of, except there was a more solid majority, some Republics with consciences, and no Holy Joe. In addition, Nixon was actually doing the job of ‘President’.
pow wow @ 189
I’ve been thinking we’re doing what we’re doing to get the oil contract signed for the oil majors and that the bases are in place as security for the majors, assuming the contract does get signed. In other words, we’ll keep killing and fomenting til our oil companies get what they want and then we’ll hang around to kill anyone who gets in their way. Very bad policy for Iraq. Ugly and makes me sick that it’s happening and that MSM has adopted duck and cover as its method of covering that story.
LJ/Aquaria @ 165
One thing that is worse now is the composition of the Supreme Court.
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Firepup Patriots:
This is NUTHIN’ like 1973. The Democratic majorities in both houses were experienced and professional and there were still enough Harvard trained, east coast and Illinois patrician Republicans that the executive bureaucracy was not completely corrupted. In fact, the corporate oligarchy bailed out on Nixon because the VietNam War was killin’ the economy and Nixon wasn’t “one of them”.
This is much more dangerous than 1973 because we don’t have a snowball’s chance in a hot place of impeachin’ the bastards and we can’t get defunding legislation thru our own Congress! This is a nightmare that only a courageous Democratic Party leadership can get us out of…we can’t wait for 2008 unless Al Gore comes outta the closet in his Superman cape.
I’m serious here folks, if Mrs. Clinton and the corporatists win the White House we will be in Iraq until she drops a couple a nukes on Tehran and Damascus and we won’t hafta wait a few more years fer global warmin’ ta get us…the stone age will look like the Renaissance.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE GOTTA GET SOME HORMONES TA THE CONGRESS!!
dakine01 @ 184
What a great time to be young! (I mean, since I was a girl and all and not subject to the draft.)
Hunter S. Thompson, Richard Brautigan, and everything seemed possible.
they’llthenNorskeFlamethrower @ 196
and
P J Evans @ 192
it’s weird when the Clintons who are somewhat to the right of nixon are too liberal for the mainstream. puke puke puke
I am not the happiest Democrat.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 200
cuz you’re paying attention …
LindaR @ 197
Bush hid from the draft in the National Guard. He’s made that unsafe now. He won’t start a draft now because there’s no place for a Bush to hide.
greenwarrior @ 198
this was meant to be an edit for my comment at 194. 4th line down, “they’ll” should read “then”
i clearly have no idea how to edit. any help would be appreciated.
[Mod:fixed]
And I am not a Clintonite.
Greenwarrior – you nailed it!
Both parties creating delays and endorsing the hydrocarbon bill so we can steal Iraqi’s oil …
shame
Time to send another campaign contribution to Kucinich.
Ugly is the word, greenwarrior @ 194. Unbelievably ugly. And as far as I can tell, you’ve got it exactly right. Quite a kick being considered successfully-conned dupes by our Members of Congress, huh?
Badwater @ 202
he could go Paraguay Way
I am virulently anti-DLC.
The thing that really got me hooked on fdl was the run-up with fitz.
I found the haloscan threads and was riveted by the lucid parsing of incoming evidence spattered by the indelible stains of 911 conspiracy. I ate hungrily and digested the meal over a course of year and found myself well above the media cycle.
To reiterate the things that brought me here are the lucid minds that keep me in rapt awe.
i dunno, the idea of brand strikes me in a similar fashion as the idea of atheism. I don’t go around calling myself a gentile. perhaps vestiges of ism.
In regard to cultivation, the metaphor falls into place too easily, plant the seeds and they will grow.
You have great minds here. Feed these people with support and content. I, for one, have your back to the best of my ability.
I haven’t thanked every contributor every time and I would to take this to do so. Thank you.
The thing that _really_ strikes me, as an artist, is that FDL is a sketch pad. people leave marks in a moment of time to share with anyone that will listen. This is an important idea, that flourishes here, that i would argue is at the heart of FDL and makes it ever so human.
A technical point:
I follow links from here. If not to read than to let the other server know I’m reading.
I follow links from the article rather than from the home page to let the server know what caught my interest.
Thank you for your thoughts.
If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. — George Bernard Shaw
now the read the comments.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 209
It does show. :-)
allan_in_upstate @ 149
NPR’s The World also had a reporter on from Roll Call who was saying that Pelosi was pushing the 2 month funding bill to appease liberal Democrats, forgetting that it’s not just the “fringe” but 70% of Americans who want us out of Iraq. her remarks went unchallenged. The media resemble this Administration neither ever learns or wises up.
Badwater #202, It could also be argued that he’s more likely to start a draft now that he doesn’t need to worry about evading it. Deferments will be available for those who can afford it, which includes everybody he gives a shit about.
Another thing that makes FDL successful is the quality of the commenters. I rarely find anything of interest in the comments of other blogs. Here, I feel like I miss half the story if I don’t read the comments.
FDL does a great job of making people with good things to say feel appreciated. Perhaps the dull people just decide to leave because it goes over their head!
Badwater @ 211
Really? I hadn’t noticed. ;0)
Siun @ 205
We are not going to steal Iraq’s oil. The situation is too f*cked up. And once Iraq settles down the first thing that is going to be tossed in the trash is Iraq’s hydrocarbon law (that is if it ever gets passed).
RonD @ 188
A most disappointing end to the whole thing. A trial would have been so much fun. Ford gets the bad rep for pardoning the guy, but one has to wonder if any other R wouldn’t have done the same, to call 1600 PA Ave home. I don’t think too many Rs would have done anything differently. Hell, Nixon was ready to pardon himself, if he could get away with it.
>Reread The Elements of Style.
Hear, hear.
Reread it annually.
1,511 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizens Jane, Christy, Pachacutec, TRex and the Firepup patriots:
Isn’t it about time that the progressive blogosphere organize direct action on Washington with coordinated demonstrations in every state capitol? Remember the “Rubber Stamp” action? If FDL, Kos, Eschaton, Digby et al could coordinate with Move On, I’m sure we could get a bunch of high powered Democrats especially a couple that aren’t holdin’ office (can you spell Gore and Edwards) to draw lightnin’ to a March on Washington.
It has become clear that the Democrats in Congress are not strong enough to confront the weakest and most unpopular president in history and if we don’t get some balls to those folks, we are gunna lose the whole God damned shootin’ match by 2008.
KEEP THE FAITH WITH OUR HISTORY AND WITH OUR CHILDREN…TIME TA STEP UP FOLKS!!
Isn’t it possible that Leahy and Waxman have information that we don’t know about and that the testimony today (seemingly limp) somehow flies in the face of what they might already be in possession of (e.g., info similar to the Waas article). They’ve been interviewing a lot of people. Everything seems to take so long without a Perry Mason moment, however, look what happened to Libby.
The assumption that Republican = good, Democrat = bad is so embedded in the MSM’s brains that it has become an underlying assumption — a Truth as unquestioned as gravity.
Which is why every time the assumption is implied it must be exposed.
We have to purge the sneer from the word “Democrat.” The good news is, that purge has begun. (Will someone please tell Gwen Ifill?)
Hugh @ 216
I could easily see that it won’t work out the way they’ve planned it. There’s something else nagging at the back of my mind. A pipeline that’s being built or being resurrected and used to smuggle the oil out through the south. My memory of this is very hazy. Anyone remember/know more?
So there is not much light shining between the parties on the hydrocarbon bill? And what else?
I’m so damn radical.
If they think the majority of the Democratic Party are radicals, wait until they meet the radical Democrats!
(I figure being radical is a good American tradition: what do they think the Founders were?)
Badwater @ 193
To me the entire past year has felt like the summer of 1974 but i am still waiting for the resignations. Maybe the steroids are making everyone stupid.
TJ, I agree with you re the quality of the comments (my own being an exception, though I try!).
And I think the reason the comments here are so great is because of the MODS!
The mods keep the place clean, well-lit, tidy (Late Night maybe not so much) and create the framework for a robust commentary.
In my opinion.
spurious @ 195
Lots of differences, but the feeling before the dam breaks…That’s all I’m getting at. It’s really frustrating now, but it’s always frustrating when it feels like we’re the only ones who “get it.” It was the same thing, then. It seemed impossible to bring Nixon down then. He seemed untouchable.
1974 proved he wasn’t, and that he could be brought down. But it wasn’t one great big revelation that did it. It was the steady drip, drip, drip that started spilling over everything until it became a flood.
At least 26,000 Iraqi oil workers may have started a strike today.
Also, fyi..
I think the is the vote on the war bill tally page.
I find the use of “radicalization” similar to “radicalization” of bees, into killer bees. It has a somewhat “threatening” sound, sort of like “undertoad” (someone must know what undertoad is).
FYI, Jane is upstairs with a new thread
Oklahoma kiddo @ 224
and we love you for it Kiddo!
Siun nailed it right here a couple weeks ago-the elegant solution here, to fight the prospect of lomg-term resource wars, fight terrorism, fight global climate change, is a unified paradigm shift to move beyond using oil as an energy source. Keeping one’s eyes on the prize-REPLACE OIL.
LS @ 220
Chip away at the stone .
These hearings are having a real effect on these bastards, otherwise you wouldn’t be seeing the lying sacks of weasel shit do what they are doing. Mainly trying to cover their asses by any means. Going around the official Whitehouse email system and then having to go back and delete everything says a great deal about their fuckery.
Murray Wass dropped a bomb in their camp today( God bless him) and the fur is going to fly.
Keep tightening the screws I say.
The latest from Jane, new thread:
No Withdrawal
LS @ 230
The undertoad is what made me cease and desist from ever reading another John Irving book EVER ever ever. He breaks my heart every time. No more.
“The word undertoad comes from the phrase Under Toad which was coined by John Irving in his book The World According to Garp. In the book, the youngest child, Walt, is constantly being warned to “watch out for the undertow” while playing in the surf, but he mishears the word as Under Toad:
Garp…realized that all these years Walt had
been dreading a giant toad, lurking offshore,
waiting to suck him under and drag him out to
sea. The terrible Under Toad.”
Maybe this Administration is permeated by Under Toad.
LJ/Aquaria @ 227
spurious @ 195
LJ/Aquaria @ 165
One thing that is worse now is the composition of the Supreme Court.
Lots of differences, but the feeling before the dam breaks…That’s all I’m getting at. It’s really frustrating now, but it’s always frustrating when it feels like we’re the only ones who “get it.” It was the same thing, then. It seemed impossible to bring Nixon down then. He seemed untouchable.
1974 proved he wasn’t, and that he could be brought down. But it wasn’t one great big revelation that did it. It was the steady drip, drip, drip that started spilling over everything until it became a flood.
I remember. And I sure hope you’re right!
Eureka Springs @ 229
Maybe a better site to check out is this:
http://www.opencongress.org/
The results are here:
http://www.opencongress.org/roll_call/show/1139
And here:
http://www.opencongress.org/roll_call/show/1138
1,511 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Firepup Patriots:
The very big difference between 1973 and 2007 is that today the entire justice system is corrupted startin with the supreme Court and workin’ through the entire federal judiciary. The corporatists didn’t control the entire justice system or the mass media down to the local level like today. I’m tellin’ ya folks, coordinated marches in a 4-day weekend behind one or more high profile Democrats who are not holdin’ office could shake the tree. Edwards would hafta get out in front of an action like that because he is tryin’ ta call up a populist, mass movement and he knows he doesn’t stand a chance in hell of winnin the nomination unless he mobilizes the 70% anti Iraq war folks.
We gotta force the Democrats runnin’ for the White House to step up…out of Iraq now!
KEEP THE FAITH, GOD HAS GIVEN US THIS MOMENT AND SHE’S WAITIN’!!
xoites – thank you.. will bookmark that site..)
allan_in_upstate @ 149
The fundraising blocks on KQED this drive seem far longer than the prior drive.
And the familiar on air voices sound more stressed (vocal tone and rate higher than prior drive, IIRC)
No wait to reach live bodies in the fund raiser phone rooms, either.
Lines are open…
A polite opportunity to discuss how NPR National News’ neo-con/neo-lib content and commenters are inimical to San Francisco values.
Call now!
Polite calls to the local fundraising volunteers also provide an opportunity to discuss educational campaigns directed at local sponsors of NPR National News.
Gee – how many SF progressives want to subsidize rightwing talking points on KQED’s drive-time radio news?
Talking boycott of local sponsors with KQED during fund drive.
And talking about KQED’s power to reclaim NPR National News from the neo-cons/neo-libs.
I love pledge drive.
And when KQED publicly works to retake NPR National News for the public – not the megacorps – I look forward to supporting them again.
But if you don’t donate KQED will close. I won’t hear my NPR.
Good news – we have a second NPR staion in town.
I don’t want to give KQED nothing – but I don’t like NPR News.
Then give forty percent less than you usually would, and explain why (During fund drives KQED folk said 40% of their NPR payments went for news programs.) If 40% isn’t the right deduction for you, well – you know what is.
Why target the stations?
A. They broadcast the programs. They choose to put NPR National News on the air, and they have to pay a lot to do it.
B. NPR member stations pay NPR to carry NPR National News. KQED chooses to pay NPR National News to provide open mikes to neocons/neo-libs.
C. KQED has the largest listenership of all the stations in the network. NPR charges stations by listeneship: the largest stations pay the most. KQED does more to fund NPR National News than any other NPR station.
But I don’t live in the Bay Area – how can I change NPR National News?
Lots of progressive urban areas have two or more NPR stations. For this campaign, target the larger station (they pay more to support NPR National News). Keep supporting the smaller staion.
I’m…uh…getting around to subscribing.
Great! This is the time to support the smaller staion, and send contact the larger station to let them know they need to change NPR National News.
The local station says NPR makes their own editorial choices and are fiercely indepenedent.
And when the Easter Bunny left so many chocolate eggs on the lawn for them last month they were so happy they squealed for joy…NPR member stations just so happen to be the purchasers and primary carriers of NPR National News. And NPR just so happens to have annual meetings where all their station-customers come to tell NPR what they want to buy.
Next time the local station manager needs to bring the news manager – and the station Board of Directors – to tell the neo-cons to get the fuck out of the editors’ offices and broadcasting booths.
“Scram, neothugs and neo-libs. Y’all have commercial radio to spout your cults of death and greed.
Our listeners won’t pay for your place at the public’s mike anymore.”
But our local station supports NPR National News content.
And you have another choice? Cool.
Why give your progressive dollars to create airtime for people who hurt us?
Pach,
Thanks for this great blog!
Much of the same tips apply to e-mail lists, with which I have some experience as moderator and owner. So I’d like to add my 2 cents. You wrote, regarding Tip #3
This pertains to a theme I’ve brought up a number of times in the past week: Think carefully about what kind of gender balance you want in your blog community. As Deborah Tannen has shown in several books, men and wome have different discourse styles, and if you want a healthy balance of both, you’ll need to work at it.
One way to work at it is by having both men and women on your front page (role models), like FDL does. But another way to work at it is to gather a group of moderators who are sensitive to gender discourse styles, and who don’t allow men to dominate the comments, e.g. by flaming and other anti-social behaviors. I have some experience in flame control and academic courtesy on lists, but I don’t have as much “street” knowledge of discourse styles as FDL moderators do, who somehow manage to keep a wonderful gender balance on FDL. Of course, to some extent this is accomplished by the example of the front page writers, who set the tone.
DailyKos seems to have some sort of gender balance, but MyDD seems way over-weighted towards male participation. I’m sure its not a matter of their wanting it that way, but on many blogs the gender balance is notably skewed.
The other thing is to pay attention to ethnic diversity issues– and here I don’t have any tips at all, because I don’t even know what a blog looks like that is ethnically diverse. Of course, that’s difficult to “see” on the web, but most blogs I know are dominated by “Whites” (aka Anglos, Caucasians, etc.), with few identifiable minority voices in the mix. We need to get better at that.
Bob in HI
bartkid @ 218
Eschew excessive under-rereading!
Eureka Springs @ 241
You are welcome. It is a new site and well worth visiting.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 240
Our justice system has always been corrupt. It’s just more obvious now, and more of us are speaking out about it.
TexBetsy @ 14
One thing I am in awe of, in blogs like FDL and DailyKos, is the amount of work that goes into a good main-page article. It is not uncommon for a good FDL article to tie together half-a-dozen web links around a coherent theme, and I know from trying to write such blogs, it ain’t easy to do– and I’m an academic who loves footnotes! It takes me huge gobs of time to work out a blog that approaches FDL standards, and I don’t know how y’all do it.
But I wouldn’t worry about Cassie. She’s already good, and is learning so fast that its scary.
Can’t resist one more suggested tip: Leave a few loose ends for the commentors to tug on! I have a friend who’s online work is so perfect and complete that there’s nothing left for anyone to say. A good blog grabs people’s interest, engages their attention, and gives them something to work on and add themselves.
Bob in HI
NorskeFlamethrower @ 240
I want my habeas corpus back. I don’t really like the combination of no habeas corpus, demonstrations, the Miami solution and Blackwater. Nor that the new talking points start pushing liberal democrats into the camps that are left of radical.
Pachacutec @ 84
This illustrates another good tip to add to the list: Every good blog provides a way for good commentors to be promoted to front page writers.
Bob in HI
tw3k @ 210
bah, typos :P
bartkid @ 218
I need to re-read the The Elements of style more often. Additionally I need to slow down and re-read my own writing.
I thought it went:
1) wait for a group of conspirators in the White House to out a CIA agent out of revenge.
2) Write about it.
3) ?????
4) Profit!
Thank you for the wonderful tips! My blog is fairly new and I’m still learning. :)
LindaR,
Richard Brautigan…Trout Fishing in America Shorty, my hero.
Stewart Brand…The Whole Earth Catalogue with the continuing story of D R’s trip and the Anaheim Flash
The first Starship album…Blows Against the Empire “Two thousand years of your goddamned Glory”
I hope this Bush crowd goes quietly.
spurious @ 20
It’s about knowing what you stand for. In this case, the “brand” is smart, articulate, like-minded people.
EPU-City!!!
Just to let you know, Pach, since comments aren’t quite closed yet, I hated like fury to cut out early on this, but we had another must-go thingie tonight.
Pooped, & goin’ ta bed now, but look fwd to reading your article & all the enlightening discussion tomorrow.
An added bonus, I see Phoenix Woman comes ’roundin’ things up at her #256 by describing, in much clearer terms, what I was trying to imply at my #25 lo those hours ago. I do think we’re nicely in synch over the idea of “branding”, or whatever you guys decide to call it.
Cool place to be, this Lake. ;->
Hi, Adie! Just got home myself after seeing a production of Titus Andronicus. Bloody, bloody, bloody.
Hugh @ 216
I sort of surmised that is what the Bl*ckw*ter boys were for, once the Department of Offence was neutralised or compromised from the plan
greenwarrior @ 222
IIRC In the first days of the invasion it was reported that Halliburton had lain a pipeline into that port area “to provide ‘water’” from Kuwait, again memory has it reported a 16″ pipe – which carries a whole lot of water, considering there is the Tigres/Euphrates supply at hand. But then, pipes have a remarkable quality of working either direction and work with all kinds of liquids. This was from Irish Times of the period (ireland.com).
Pach, you are one of the best, and I agree with you about what makes FDL one of the best. Digby, too. But, dear god, I miss Billmon . . .
Damn…
I wish I’d known all this a few years ago.
In 3 years, less than 10 comments.
God why?!?!?!?
WHY??????????????
*cries uncontrollably*
Thank you. I found it very helpful. In fact, I decided to order “The Elements of Style”.I don’t think I’ll ever have a site, but I am too timid to even blog. Your article gave me the beginnings of a progress plan.
Pachacutec @ 258
Hi back Pach. You’re the best!
I’m getting really slow start this a.m.
Wrote that last upon getting back from bloody, bloody good Cleveland Orchestra concert ;->
now coping w/ marching orders of sorts, to prep & clean & heavenknowswhat, soas to be ready to help roundabout30yrsold “kids” treat us on mom’s day. hm-m-m. where to begin….
I WILL get yer screed read. It’s already bookmarked in special spot, so it’s not lost in the fray, sigh….
….. now, where’d i bookmark that dustcloth last year?….. maybe just play games with the cat a tad longer ……
…anyone tell you ADHD (or whutever they call it now) shows genetic link?
…. oh? nuthin…. nebbermine…. mebbe i should climb on that xrcise bike after/before i dust it….. yes? no? mbt%@pfftdgh-n-n-n- *wanders off aimlessly, or so it would appear*
tatateeta @ 263
my Strunk&White-loving hubby would point out yer split infinitive… sigh
listen to ME, child: JUST JUMP IN & DO IT!
Preferably here in the Lake. The water’s perfect! The sharks are friendly & helpful.
& it’s much more fun to learn by doing, rather than planning too too much ;->
oddmommy @ 105
Well, yes and no. You have to go back to the Grant administration (1868) to find one as BLATANTLY dishonest and incompetent, but I believe the consensus among historians is that Grant himself was just inept and unwisely loyal to his friends (unlike W).
FWIW, my personal take on history indicates that EVERY government (of whatever flavor or era) is basically a kleptocracy – like Lord Acton said: “power corrupts”