The Edwards campaign began broadcasting an ad in Iowa yesterday. I've linked up the YouTube of the ad above for everyone to view — and I wanted to take a bit of time this morning to talk about what is and is not effective with this particular campaign ad and its message.
First off, I love the people in the ad. I was on a media conference call with the Edwards' campaign folks in Iowa yesterday afternoon, and it turns out that all of the folks in this ad are Iowans who are fed up with the mess that is Iraq — and fed up with President Bush and the Republicans trying to duck any responsibility for it. Great use of real people talking about an issue that hits home with far too many hearts in the heartland of America these days.
Sen. Edwards was also on the call, and he answered a few media questions after a staffer gave us a short run-down on the ad and when it would start airing in Iowa (the answer is that it started yesterday) and the fact that this is part of a larger media push from the campaign. One of the more intriguing parts of this, I thought, was how the campaign is tying this in with their overall message about a need for citizen activism — by asking Americans all over the country to visit the Edwards campaign website and to record their own thoughts about Iraq and the need to get American soldiers home.
I think that is a very clever way of pulling folks into the campaign by inspiring them to take action, to use their own voice and speak up on an issue that likely means a lot to them. It's a good move, and one that could really ignite some passion among some folks out there.
However, I think the scripting on this ad is a little…how shall I say this…stale and not nearly passionate enough for what they are trying to do? I've watched it a couple of times, and the emotion on the faces of the folks in the ad is not matched by the words they are saying. I know the Iowa ad is a scripted one, because the words are the same in the ad rolled out nationally on the Edwards website — it is just different people saying the same words in these two different ads.
I dunno. I can't quite put my finger on what it is that bothers me about the ad, mainly because I think the concept is very clever — you guys know that I'm a big supporter of individual empowerment and citizen action. And because the folks in the Iowa ad above are the same folks that I see here in my own hometown — people with kids and grandkids and folks they know in church and all over town, serving in uniform, everyone hoping and waiting with that same bated breath that they all come home in one piece, safe and sound, and dreading a call that says otherwise. (I'm particularly fond of the woman who says, "DON'T back down!" She's a keeper!) But it is the lack of an "ask" in this ad, I suppose, that leaves me hanging.
About Iraq and Congress, Sen. Edwards said on the call that "compromise is a concession on this question…" and that it is "very important that Congress stand its ground." There were a lot of media questions about whether that meant that Democrats would be "cutting and running" on Iraq, or whether Democrats would be painted as soft on defense — and I wanted to yell into my phone that perhaps these reporters needed to go back to remedial math to learn that 70 percent plus means a substantial majority of Americans think that George Bush's Iraq mess is a failure and that they are sick of other people's children paying the price for his ego. But, alas, it wasn't my turn to ask a question — and, frankly, Sen. Edwards was doing just fine answering them on his own (although he does sound like he has a bit of a cold) by reminding them that the American people had already spoken on this issue last fall by taking control of Congress from the GOP and putting both houses in Democratic hands — that Americans want action, not just empty rhetoric.
Guess what I wanted from this ad was more of a call to action — a "call your members of Congress" or a "write a letter to the editor" or something. Anything to get the ball rolling. And then I realized, that's really up to all of us to decide what action we think needs to be taken on this. So, I'm asking: what action are you taking on this issue? And, while we're at it, what do you think of this ad?
I've been trying to get more media access for FDL on campaign calls like this, so we can bring immediate news and impressions to you all about candidate messaging — even this early in the process. There will be a lot of this in the days, weeks and months ahead — and we'll try to get as much of this type of information as we can into your hands when we have the opportunity to do so.
I know we have some Edwards supporters in the audience, and I thought this article was a good first step in examining his health care proposals — as well as an example of how early candidates are getting information into the hands of Iowans this year. (For our Iowa readers, this seems early to me. Is it, or is it a misunderstanding on my part on how things have operated the last few years in terms of reach out timing?) And the NYTimes caucus blog says that multiple polls are showing an Edwards lead over Clinton in Iowa and a very close race at the moment in New Hampshire — but all of this is awfully early. Edwards has done a lot of ground work in Iowa, though, and it will be interesting to see how this all plays out between now and the caucuses. Anyone who can give an on the ground report in early caucus and primary states, please fill the rest of us in on how things are going in your neck of the country. Chris Cillizza has more on the call and the on the ground efforts from the Edwards campaign in Iowa as well. More on the primary doings — and from other candidates' perspectives — as I get the opportunities to bring them to you.
Also, VoteVets has a new ad campaign going with Ret. Gen. Batiste — and I think this ad is very well done. (H/T to nolo.) Take a peek and see what you think as well — frankly, this is not going to make the McCain campaign very happy, and that's just for starters. I have to say, I have never seen newly retired military brass speak up like this. Ever. It's going to be an interesting year.



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ZED!!!
FWIW – I saw the national version of this add here in Cheverly, MD last night on MSNBC during Keith Olberman.
SEND IT BACK! ~ J.Edwards/We the People
OT ~ Mike Gravel, 2008 Democratic presidential candidate, says he has no problem with gay love.
OT
Ha! On Monday, David Shuster hosted for Tucker, check out the numbers ; )
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/
OT ~ General Batiste: “Protect America, Not George Bush”
[Note: Isn’t it all part of the same f-dup thread?]
What is it? You want the same passion from everyone as this woman?
BTW – that woman is me, NOW (not literally) but I think that’s it.
For instance, I wouldn’t have the woman looking at the man, her spouse?, look ahead into the camera. Have passion on your faces, even anger.
And there’s no asking about this issue. It’s telling them – DON’T BACK DOWN!
John Soltz of VoteVets, who lives in NYC and who put all those ads together (one of those with Batiste), had just come back from Iraq in 2004 before the elections. At first he was a highly articulate anti-war activist. But then he backed off for some reason. I’m glad he’s back on the scene.
OT regarding habeus corpus – Spoke with Joe Sestak, he is absolutly voting for restoration. Said he has gotten a lot of calls.
Biodun @ 8
Jon Soltz -
Maybe he had other issues that were more pressing, personal issues.
OT ~ We’re gonna wash that man right outta our hair…
State Dept. erases all reference to top official (ToBuyAss) who quit over DC Madam list.
Cozumel @ 5
maybe now Tucker will shuffle off to Buffalo
I had the pleasure of meeting John Edwards last Thursday in Tucson at a private house party. He has consistently been out front in making strong statements on the issues of the day.
I especially like that he already has position papers on issues. I see the Edwards campaign as the new 2007 version of the Howard Dean campaign. What I am afraid of is someone doing a YeeHaaaa on Edwards.
Wordsmith:
Thanks for the correx. I sometimes get those two spellings mixed up. But I suspect “John” is more common than “Jon.”
The ad is not that bad. It could use some of the ummph that the Lamont campaign put into its ads. Right now I am focusing on the COURAGE part of the message. Everywhere I turn, that is what is being said to me have courage, don’t back down. I will comment more in a second.
The ad, IMO, re-frames the “stereotype” the Repubs created that anyone against Bush or the war is a dirty hippie, flagburnin’, anti-patriotic dangerous, radical librul.
I think this is what it gets across, and I think that is a good thing.
I don’t see anyone in the ad drinking latte either.
Lou Costello @ 6
[Head bowed] Sorry…posted before I got to the end of your post. To many open windows.
The Darfur ads were very effective. I choke up everytime I hear that guy read, “They killed my family”.
How do you get that kind of gravity across in an ad?
Biodun @ 14
Can ya tell I’m anal about names?!
I work in medicine and with what we do we have to be very detail-oriented and so, to me, being accurate about names & the like shows I’m paying attention. It’s also about demonstrating respect in getting it accurate.
And then, some of us marry people who are SO different. *sigh*
meanwhile, CNN hyperventilating over Sharpton v. Romney smackdown…
I haven’t yet made up my mind on any of the Dem candidates (except HRC – no!).
When I first saw the call to action from Edwards online, I almost joined in but I pulled back. Why? Because I was confused if I was supporting the Send the Bill back effort or supporting Edwards for President. Or both.
So I guess what I am saying is, I want to do the right thing by doing the right thing. I don’t want any candidate trying to “own” the grassroots movement or citizen action group. It belongs to the people by definition. Having said that, I also have to acknowledge that I really like that these ads are running. And I like the people in the ad. They are real and not actors, so even if they are scripted, a lack of slickness is a refreshing thing.
Maybe I misinterpret Edwards and I am open to discussion (I may be in and out, tho…)
When I get a moment I will begin working on an essay prompted by Al Gore’s speech Saturday at the AIA convention. What I have decided after watching the man’s passion for fixing the environment is that we would do better to get someone like John Edwards elected president and have him (or Hillary or Obama) appoint Gore czar of the global environment and have him focus on just that one thing. This next president is going to have such a mess to clean up after the Bushies leave office that I would hate to waste Gore’s talent on all the other crap that has to be done.
Lou Costello @ 18
OOoooo….I think it’s sick when this happens. What a troubled soul…..
Christy,
Thanks for the great work..as always.(And again, it was a privilege to meet you last week.)
A quick thought on the ad. To quote you from this piece:
“hits home with far too many hearts in the heartland of America these days.”
I like that the ad doesn’t ask for a specific call to action……just a reminder that speaking up takes courage and is the right thing to do. That approach would be more inviting in the very red area where I grew up in rural NC and maybe in Iowa also.. My guess is that Mudcat Saunders understands that and that’s the intention here.
BTW, am noticing in the 10-15 NC papers I read every day that there is a distinctly different tone in many of the personal stories about casualties in Iraq. Read one yesterday where the soldier (an only son)had served only three weeks before being killed. The article actually focused on the funeral service and the raw emotion of all who knew and loved this young man. Never would have seen that type of article in the particular newspaper a year ago.
Yes, you’re right on target as usual. The hearts of too many are being broken.
What to do? It sounds simple but I keep sending people to where they can get the information they need about this issue and others instead of their relying on the MSM. I hear back that there’s a lot of forwarding going on and eyes opened. My 85 yr.old mother just sprung for DSL so she can read more easiily.
Edwards – Obama is the contest.
Two titans. Both sending out calls to action on email loops. Both substantial.
Emerging ticket?
I think part of the problem is finding regular people, not accustomed to being on-camera, to evoke emotion. Usually a camera can only capture that in a spur-of-the-moment shot, unless it is filming an actor. The words are great.
We need to know what’s really driving our policy in Iraq, in order to effectively counter it – or at least I feel that way. I’m not sure we do know the true motives driving not just Bush, but Members of Congress of both parties – and there’s a method to their madness that we aren’t privy to, from all appearances.
In that regard, surely Americans and people around the world believe this:
Aggressors in war, and occupying powers, must never be allowed to profit from their aggression or occupation.
But yet today the United States, through its President and its Congress, appears to be promoting massive, unbelievably lucrative, and long-term profits for the already profit-laden American/British/Dutch global oil corporations, as the end result and purpose of our (taxpayer-funded) unprovoked aggression of an illegal invasion and occupation of the sovereign nation of Iraq.
[The American-imposed “oil law” that Cheney is trying to ramrod through the puppet Iraqi parliament mandates that the majority of control and profits for the ‘exploration’ of already-discovered and easily-accessible Iraqi oil fields shall be awarded to foreign oil corporations rather than to the victims of the destroyed nation of Iraq; that “oil law” seems to be the sole reason for the September Stall by the White House, and for our entire occupation at this point, and Congress seems to know this and support it, through its proposed legislation. A modern day “oil rush” for the extremely valuable and untapped natural resources of Iraq, the Iraqi people be damned.]
How can such a war-profiteering policy of piracy be allowed to stand, almost without comment, in our federal government and our country, if we still have any claim left to being part of the “civilized peoples” of the world???
Where is the United Nations? Where is the World Court? Where are the religious leaders? Where are the protectors of the people of Iraq, and of the common decency of mankind?
I agree that the ad is missing the DO part. And maybe it could use a different director. But I like the people.
And as LS @ 16 said
reframing the argument is the effective key.
Re flag (and flag-burning):
I think the Left has let the Right appropriate Stars and Stripes for its own purposes. The flag represents all Americans, not just Repugs and John Birchers. The Left needs to reclaim the American flag instead of conceeding its use to the Right.
The Right was able to appropriate the flag with help from the hippies (disclosure: I was a hippie but never burned the flag) in the 1960s, especially during the Vietnam War, what with all the flag-burning of the anti-war and anti-draft movements (which overlapped considerably).
I for one would like to see leftists of all stripes wave the American flag at demonstrations all around the country. The Left needs to take back the constitution, the country, and the Stars and Stripes.
Good one, pow wow!
And Petraeus is the September Fall Guy.
Prairie Sunshine @ 26
That’d be great or Gore-Edwards/Obama. Even if Hillary would be a great President, at this time her mere presence excites voters Republic voters and that’s too dangerous. This nation simply cannot afford another Republic President.
This is very early for TV. Usually this is Democratic county party picnic and town festival appearance time ( most all small towns in Iowa have festival and parade of some sort in the summer).
Biodun @ 30
My little effort: my picture on the FDL map site is a group of American flags…long may she wave, for freedom and justice for all.
It’s an OK ad.
Pro: A sense of calm. Birds singing. Neatly mowed lawns. Varied ages of people, all who want courageous leadership.
Con: Too calm. People are mad. Why not give some oomph?
Real con: John Edwards does not seem to share the same “I will fight for our rights until I’m dead” passion as one of the women there conveys.
Diagnosis: More passion, please. More fight fight FIGHT.
(By the way, I really like Edwards and one other candidate. I’d vote for either of them in a second.)
Badwater @ 32
I agree about the observation on Hillary. AS much as I want a woman president I do think we need to kick the right to the ground before electing her president. My dream team? Edwards/Obama with Gore as Global Environment Czar. (See my comment above.)
What a bunch of dumb hicks….
Jane (nyc) at 25 — Perhaps this is a softer heartland/southern sell approach — and maybe Mudcat does have internal numbers that show that would be more effective. But what I am seeing from a lot of folks, even folks that would have waked on hot coals for the Bush Administration as little as a year ago, is a simmering disgust and a growing fear for the kids — and older family memebrs — or are headed back for yet another tour of duty in a conflict that is beginning to resemble the nightmare of Joe Haldeman’s Forever War. Am wondering if it isn’t possible to tap into that a bit by giving them something to DO with that pent up frustration, rather than simply saying “I understand it.” But maybe that’s just a stylistic difference with me — I’d rather know that I can be part of the solution than just know that someone else recognizes the same problem that I see, you know?
Was lovely to meet you and so many other FDL readers in NYC last week as well. That was such a fun coffee with you guys and watertiger. :)
Too early in the game for fight, fight, fight?
Make the impression, build the confidence…develop the bond….
Without triggering the turn-off factor.
What’s especially good about this campaign, and Edwards’ positioning is that he’s running straight at the issue. He’d fortunate in not having to vote on this stuff, so he can make his message strong.
For the ask in this campaign, I’d suggest that he ask people to call or write to Hagel, Grassley, Congressman Steve King (202.225.4426) ( “As Nancy Pelosi attempts to force surrender upon our troops, the war against radical Jihadists rages on. Pelosi marched her troops to the floor of Congress to attempt a hopelessly failed mission. There was zero chance that Congress would override the President’s veto, yet she insisted on a frontal assault on the authority of the Commander-in-Chief. General Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, is far more likely to succeed in Iraq than General Pelosi was in her attempt to override a veto. Veteran groups such as the American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars understand the ongoing war and support the President’s veto. But Pelosi and Democrats can’t agree on whether a war exists at all, and they continue to let our armed forces go unfunded,” said King., and Congressman Tom Latham (202-225-5476).
Let these republicans know that a clear majority of these republican’s Iowan constituents want this war ended–and that ending depends on Republicans responding to the people who elected them.
Jose Chung at 37 — Well, that’s one way to win friends and influence people. *g*
I had the opposite reaction to the lack of a specific call to action.
I get goosebumps and my eyes well up when I see ordinary Iowans standing up courageously to say what needs to be said without artifice.
Before there is any call to action, before there can be any change, we need more of this across the country, in every place where folks interact.
Curiously, the thing that struck me as being a little off was John Edwards at the end – he is so different from the people in the ad that it just jars you a little.
Clean up on aisle 37?
Dee @ 27
And perhaps the ad creators actively chose NOT to have people acting all emotional, but more gravitas or what have you.
Repubs and Lie-man know that the opposition is PO’d to the max and they are trying to head off the argument by saying we’re shrill, toxic and vituperative (Thanks Joe for expanding my vocabulary!) And they are soooo condescending, like they are above all that. Defense Exhibit A – Z Melanie Morgan. (As a Californian, I apologize to FDLers for the entire MFA board)
IMO the ads hit the right note for the Heartland.
Gnome at 43 — Sometimes, a little rude ignorance can be instructive, no?
OT – I can imagine Cheney being as welcome around the nation as OJ. The main difference being the travelling MASH unit and Secret Service protection.
I’ve always believed in the Edwards/Obama ticket–and have said that here on many occasions. It’s a highly attractive and potent ticket for all sorts of reasons that I cannot even begin to unpack here (OK, say cop out).
But that’s my bias.
It’s actually typical for introductory campaign ads. The idea is to build a “relationship” with the targeted viewer, on the idea that first impressions count above all else, and only after the viewers have seen the nice-and-fluffy ad do you go on to the fire-breather ads. They’re banking that it’ll be harder to demonize Edwards if he defines himself as a Good Family Guy first.
If your brain was but a tiny fraction the size of your gall you would be the smartest individual who has ever lived. You cowardly SOB, you are an embarrassment to humanity. You have no shame or decency, sir. You are much less than a man.
Bush tours tornado disaster area
President to meet survivors of Kansas town destroyed by 205 mph winds
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
Hugs all around! What leadership!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
As long as we don’t feed them. Actually, the comment wasn’t framed well enough to tell whether it was snark, ignorance or snotty elitism.
Tinman, scarecrow [with no insult to our own treasured Scarecrow] and Cowardly Lion all in one,
OKK.
Hope all’s well after yesterday’s big blow.
Today the heartland’s got the big blowhard.
I’m an Edwards supporter, but the one thing I saw in the 2004 primary and have noticed in this campaign, is that he takes a while to develop a narrative that matches his passion.
Some of it is lack of political sure footedness, and some is his training as a scripted trial lawyer.
My dream ticket is:
Pelosi/Edwards 2007 — running as incumbents in 2008, with Al Gore as Uber-Secretary of the Interior/Biosphere, Bill Richardson as Secretary of State, and Comey/Fitzgerald as Deputy AGs for Public Integrity.
katymine @ 13
no use to be afraid. it’s probably going to happen, especially if Edwards gets a full wind in his sails. it will just be a sign that they fear him. let ‘er rip!
Edwards is an experienced national campaigner, unlike Howard Dean ( i was a Dean supporter, still am). if that’s the worst thing that happens to him he’ll be fine.
I view Senator Clinton as a hawk on the Middle East. This precludes the Senator, unless Clinton changes radically, from ever being a great prez. I don’t want to think about Senator Clinton, but I have to. We all do.
If not Gore, then Edwards.
CNN with G Wastrel Bush in Kansas.
Talking at 33 rpm:
People have basements. Brighter days ahead. Thank the Senators for being here.
(Gov not so much?)
Personal report: M.de Plume was sprung from the hospital yesterday. He has a lovely stitched up face, but I have to follow up on the heart issue. Since IANAD, no one seems to be understanding what I saw on the monitor in the ER – fibulation, not the arhythmia that is normal for him. (All the de Plumes march to a different beat . . .)
Badwater @ 50
Not to detract from the topic at hand, but I especially enjoyed the WH attempts to frame this as the fault of the Democratic governor of Kansas. I think it was Think Progress who came up with the requests the governor had submitted dating back to Dec. 2005…..
And Cheney in Iraq – what a day!
The problem with this ad was identified a long time ago by Mick Jagger in ‘I Can’t Get No Satisfaction.’
‘When I’m watching my tv
And a man comes on to tell me
How white my shirts could be’
We are being told. We aren’t being engaged.
We are being treated as an object. It leads to passivity and not action. We can’t get no satisfaction.
OT ~ This is for Howie:
Indiana Freshman Democratic Congressman Joe Donnelly Explains His Vote Against the Federal Hate Crimes Bill. {see comments}
Prairie Sunshine @ 52
;0)
I want someone who will restore the country to its citizens, not the oil companies.
BAGHDAD – Vice President Dick Cheney said Wednesday that Iraq remains a dangerous place…
Cheney remains dangerous.
Chee-knee must not cut and run from Iraq or the terrorists will follow him home.
Puppydog principle.
Gnome de Plume @ 57
IANAD, BIHAVHS: I am not a doctor, but I have a visiting heart surgeon. So what is the question? And what frequency fibrillation?
Lou Costello,
The ad you posted ends with “Congress must act to protect our troops”, whereas the on Christy posted ends with “Senator Collins, protect America, not george bush”. Just so you know your link wasn’t entirely duplicatory. (is that a word? also sorry, I can’t bring myself to capitalize gwb’s name)
Love the ad either way, but it’s interesting to see the variants to get an idea for the targeting and such.
Bush pedals his tricycle to Kansas for a photo op, it’s beyond outrageous.
Prairie Sunshine @ 56
I’ve never seen a mobile home with a basement.
Why does George Bush hate Americans?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 55
From today’s Globe:
Close your eyes, bro….
This is my Rep. A ‘good’ Dem. A member of the ‘Out of Iraq Caucus’…
I do not understand. I’ll have to make inquiries.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Weird how his quote about the ‘good heart’ kinda echoes 43/Putin or something….
Maybe he just wants to support a front-running female…I dunno.
Hope he comes to his senses.
No Disrespect intended, but I watched it twice, and think that the only thing off the mark is a little bit of staccato editing between the speaker changes. Neither the message nor the messengers seem lacking in sincerity or conviction. Yes,I am biased. HRC polarizes people, and mobilizes the fear factor in otherwise disenchanted GOPers far more than anyone else’s middle name or pricey haircut combined could ever accomplish. Also, John Edwards is sending a message and running a campaign that poignantly ties back to RFK’s 1968 run – one that was never finished, and this seems like both the time and the opportunity for that to run its course. Remember, John, “each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice . . . .”
Elliott @ 68
There is NO evidence that George Bush hates Americans. He came to console the living. That there were only ten deaths in an F5 tornado is a miracle. Everyone is doing all they can. Despite the Governor, there is NO evidence that there is any impediment to the Federal government moving resources to the storm area.
having lived in Iowa for fourteen years i felt pretty good about the ad. it’s easy that these people were being themselves and not “acting”. there are an awful lot of Americans who don’t express their feelings in an urgent or dramatic way.
i haven’t signed up with Edwards, at least not yet, but i have to say that i’m impressed. he keeps stepping up to the plate. to me, that counts for a lot, and i expect it does for a lot of average Americans. good on ‘im. a few more months of this and he just might be the contender that will be hard to stop.
Phoenix Woman @ 48
That makes sense to me. When I talk politics with my Mother (mid 80’s, Catholic, fiscal conservative, private type) I have to keep my emotions in check or I’ll lose her. If I get too hot she recoils. Repeated, easy reasoning does it.
((((M.de Plume))))
Elliott @ 68
it’s definitely a smart move. mobile homes are tornado magnets.
I like the Edwards ad. I like Edwards’ positions and his declarations that “We are better than this,” “We can do better” and “Silence is betrayal” borrowed from Martin Luther King, Jr. Watching his MLK church speech reminded me of Al Gore saying to the NAACP, “I am home!” What Mr. Edwards lacks in apparent passion is more than made up in his positions and statements, though I deny that they are passionless. (Bias: I/we are Edwards supporters.)
I like this latest VoteVets ad, too.
Bush goes for photo ops in NOLA, and KS, anywhere there is a terrible disaster. He’s like a vulture, a carrion crow.
No photo ops at military funerals though. Is anybody surprised?
It definitely has a Midwest flare to it. Communities, parts of the country, groups all have their unique expression. I actually like the ad. If it were done in New Orleans I’d expect a totally different tone. What does come across strongly is the sentiment. Perhaps Edwards could do something similar in various parts of the good old USofA.
What a bunch of statistically-smarter-than-you hicks!
Putting the finger on the difference in the 2 adverts: Real people on TV never look as natural as professionals.
Primordial Ooze @ 65,
THX for that. I pride myself on adding to the main and not re-posting over it. Funny thing, when I went back to check CHS’s link, uploaded by VoteVet, it won’t load. But my link, uploaded by Wesley Clark, no problem! Interesting.
Egregious – thanks for correcting my spelling! I will be drawing a picture of what my dad and I saw and faxing it over to the cardiologist. Here is a description of it – you know how there is a base line from which the various contractions of the heart register at regular intervals above that line? Well, pericodically, the peaks that are nice and regular would suddenly resemble a geiger counter or a seismometer encountering something significant – racing up and down on either side of that line. Then it would return to normal. It looked like when the patient is moving or the leads are being tampered with, but he was lying perfectly still. This was in the ER. (He was in for failure to stop when a steel post suddenly ran out in front of him while he was walking the dogs.)
The ad was OK. I think I might have preferred one person, talking extemporaneously (is that the right word?) about Iraq. Then, the speaker could reinforce Edward’s message or a variation on that theme. The feel I get is that the people are not professional actors and that is good. But there are a lot of average Iowans who can talk in an informed and genuine way about the subject without a script. So, I think they should be allowed to do so. Do a couple different ads with different people but the same message.
Also, the cutting back and forth to different people is choppy and interrupts the narrative flow, IMHO.
I like the idea. It’s just the execution that needs to be tweaked.
Christy,
Thanks for the excellent post. As a native Iowan, the televised ads are a little earlier compared to ‘04. I would point out that Romney has been running an Ad here for at least 2 months.
I like the ad. I do agree that it seems a little too scripted. I think they could have had a few more individuals as well.
Edwards has never stopped campaigning in Iowa. I do believe Vilsack announcing an early run, through a wrench in the process this year. Some insiders believed Vilsack was only running so HRC would not have to campaign here. If that was the strategy, it did not work out too well because Vilsack only lasted about 3 months.
Edwards is well respected here and is building momentum. I know you had issues with the lack of a call to action with the ad. I would like to point out that a lot of Iowans by nature are civic minded and would know to contact their congressional representatives. And yes, I did write our Republican Senator, Grassley asking that he start representing the majority of his constituents.
Again, Thank You for the great post.
I like both ads, the Edwards ad and the VoteVet ad.
The people in Iowa are easy to relate to. They have the same degree of “stiffness” before the camera that I would have in the same situation.
From Froomkin:
Wow, I always suspected that Odierno was an idiot. Now I know. He’s already pushing the surge past September, past the beginning of the year, to April almost a year from now. Not one but two Friedmans from now. Oh and that this would put a decision on the surge in the middle of a Presidential election campaign and with only months remaining in Bush’s term, just a coincidence, just a coincidence.
There are generals out there who need to be demoted and fired for stupidity if nothing else.
Don’t be fooled by Europe’s mood. Globally, the left is reawakening
The political ructions of the past week can’t hide a progressive resurgence – even in the belly of the capitalist beast
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..08,00.html
Personally, Edwards is attractive to me, but his policies are a bit weak in my estimation (except for the parts about inequality in wealth distribution). Obama? I don’t need no stinkin’ rock star for a president. Actually, I would like to see a serious, even dour, policy wonk for president, like, say, Winston Churchill.
Some Generals stood up before the invasion. General Zinni. Now the Israeli lobby is after Zinni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Zinni
General Wesley Clark before the invasion
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..clark.html
I followed both Clark and Zinni’s words closely before the invasion. Along with Madeline Albright, Scott Ritter, Zbigniew Brezinski, El Baradei etc. They all warned against the invasion. Ritter was everywhere trying to tell the American people the intelligence was bull shit. El Baradei too!
Many Generals have come forward after the invasion. General Odum
http://www.democracynow.org/ar…../04/144240
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..sub16.html
650,000 Dead Iraqi’s 4 million refugees, who knows how many are injured.(we sure do not count) These fucking right to lifers (Bush, Rice, Kristol etc) sure leave a lot of people dead in their tracks….their bloody murderous tracks
Isn’t a “surge” a short, sharp increase? If it goes on and on and on how can they continue to call it a “surge”?
smapdi @ 78
Is “hicks” the repug talking point of the day? What gives? Please explain yourselves. We don’t understand drive-by monkey talk.
Biodun @ 30
Amen!
I live in the Midwest as well, although I’m a CA transplant, and I like this ad very much. I think it will play very well with the “normal” folks who live and work in the typical towns and villages that are scattered throughout the Midwest (and I daresay other non-urban areas around the country).
It’s gentle, non-threatening at first glance, but it makes a very quiet statement. And the people that make this statement look NORMAL. They look old and young and they don’t have perfect hair, teeth, or clothes.
Someone above said it was a platform on which to build, I think, and I agree. We Midwesterners aren’t terribly loud, unless college football is involved, and we aren’t usually openly rebellious. So this low key approach hits the right note. IMHO.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
Oklahoma kiddo @ 87
The voters in France apparently disagree. They, the Germans and the Brits are tired of Islamic Radicalism.
Gnome de Plume @ 90
The troll (@30 something) was so hungry! Being an Iowan in recovery, I couldnt help it.
SusanD @ 90
I agree. It’s more like Republican priapism.
Gnome de Plume @ 90
dew naht feed the trools. if they’re drive-bys they’re already gone, if they’re lurking, you’ve just given them an opening …….
I like Edwards much better than Clinton. At least Edwards has said that his 2002 war resolution vote was a mistake and he is sorry for it. Clinton keeps repeating the horseshit line “if only I knew then what I know now”.
Hillary you should have been listening to the Diane Rehm show before the invasion. One expert after the next questioning the validity of the intelligence and the wisdom of invading a nation that had not attacked us. You Senators should get out more. Like out on the streets before the invasion. The folks looked like they were from Iowa (and many of them were)
What did you hear in those intelligence meetings that convinced you to vote “yea”? What?
I want the funding cut off for the U.S. sponsored horror in Iraq. I want no attack on Iran. I want a fair settlement of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I want my party, the Democratic Party, to do the right thing.
I think it is pretty hard to beat the music to the HAVE YOU HAD ENOUGH ad. It would be perfect for Mr. Edwards. I agree, the ad doesn’t hit my mary spot at all.
SusanD @ 88
We were right to have called an escalation.
Christy hope the peanut is feeling better, and hope you have been able to rest.
SusanD @ 77
Well, at least the sleeves are are rolled up for hardly working. Punk!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
Good thing the US is never leaving Iraq per Condi. Too bad that can’t be said for Cheney.
OK, break time. Time to do some hick hop
*ilbo @ 102
More likely headed to the ranch…
Mmmmmmm. Brrrrruuuuusssshhhhhh.
Have commenters here seen the original with the professionals? And the re-make with the professionals followed by the ordinary folks sending in their clips saying “We the People.”
The versions should be compared, especially by Iowans here. I want to know what the Iowans here think about the change from 1st-2nd-3rd versions. Thanks – I would appreciate your comment.
http://johnedwards.com/wethepeople/
I still think drains in the ears or adnoids removal should be looked at with the peanut. I’m only saying this because my son was three and everytime he came off the antibiotics, he was sick again. He has not been sick since and he is 19 years old. He was sick every 60 days. I’m also sure Christy knows this already and has looked into it.
Vice President Dick Cheney’s surprise trip to Baghdad today was meant to deliver a tough message to the Iraqi government – put off your vacation plans and get back to work.
U.S. officials have been livid since discovering that Iraq’s fledgling parliament – hardly a hive of activity in the first place – was planning to take a two-month summer recess, postponing work on a bill spelling out how oil money would be shared among Iraq’s ethnic and sectarian groups or a law authorizing new regional elections.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/…..e-script/4
Gnome de Plume @ 81
I hope you are in touch right away with your cardiologist. This does look like fibrillation. What kind of emergency room are you in, a hospital? It needs attention.
Are you still in the ER? Did the heart convert back to normal rhythm?
Please remember -I- am not a physician and my visitor is giving advice without data or patient nearby.
fahrender @96 – I recognized smapdi as a sometime poster, but was confused by the whole hick thing. I still don’t know if the hick reference is to the folks in the ad or to us commenting on it. smapdi? Maybe because IANFI (I am not from Iowa) I am not snapping to the code word being used.
707! They need the blue pill. (I know: not nice, but hey!)
I think this is a great ad. The “actors” are top-rate.
The director should have had each person read the entire script rather than just their one line, allowing for the editor to blend and fade rather than straight cut, which comes off as choppy, when what you want is a smooth flow as if all the people are speaking with one voice. The camera should have been hand-held to give it a more intimate feel and the editing should be tighter. *shrug*
Badwater @ 104
This is consistent with their anti-abortion position, isn’t it? Iraq is feeling birth pains of democracy that will be stillborn if we don’t get out of there. Pro-life.
It’s so interesting how upset we get when new democracies vote for something “we” didn’t want. “Wait, that’s not how democracy works…you’re just supposed to pretend. wink wink.”
Oh, and Mr. Cheney…who’s right on the Iraq is dangerous/safe call? You or McCain?
Gnome de Plume:
I think “hicks” is referring to the folks in the ad… FDL commenters hicks? Not.
I think the problem with the delivery of this ad is that each person only spoke (and was taped on)a short phrase. If each person had spoken a whole sentence and then been edited down to the bits they wanted, the delivery and cadence would have been more natural and the bits would have flowed better.
GdP – I was taking offense to a troll upthread who seemed to be calling the Iowans in the ad dumb hicks.
OK — I grew up in Oklahoma. I KNOW what a HICK is. At age 22, I moved to California, and have lived here for over 30 years.
These are not hicks.
Get your facts straight.
I just wish Bush would quit trying so hard to overcompensate. His “manly” brush-clearing, his “manly” bring it on statement, his “manly” stay the course crud.
I wish he’d stop trying to act like a man and be one!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
Personally I think they are taking this break to avoid having to deal with the issue.
fahrender @ 96
not to worry, Christie dispatched him, as per usual
Thanks egregious. I am in a smallish town with a decent hospital, between two cities with good docs. M. de Plume has a more serious underlying condition so I have an eagle eye on him constantly. (I sent Christy some info on his disease and what we have done to further the cause. Since you are a medical angel you might want to know about it, too. I will contact you.)
Shell @ 113
I agree there isn’t anything wrong with the actors, but it just doesn’t hit you in the gut. I think that these campaigns should actively seek help from bloggers….imagine how much attention it would get if there was a contest to help create an ad? Remember all of the attention the super bowl created when they requested people send in their ads to be chosen to run during the super bowl? Might also be a way for the MSM to bring attention to the ad, even though they would be knocking it…
Jet — great analysis of the ad!
SusanD — great analysis of the un-man
OT
Firedoggies,
I spoke earlier today with Gori, at Congressman Adam Smith’s office. She said since Skelton’s bill was in early stages no opinion yet. So I next asked what is the Congressman’s position on Habeas Corpus? Same answer. I then asked, when our conversation ends. I’m to understand the Congressman’s position today, as a democrat, on the Armed Service Committee, is willing to deny Habeas Corpus? And to my total Fucking shock, her answer was yes. I then asked her to send me Congressman Smith’s official response by mail, which she said she would do. I can’t Fucking Wait to get this bullshit!
Shell @ 118
I’ve been to Oklahoma! This is what was confusing me! Thanks Shell.
Well, I’ve never been to Spain but I’ve been to Oklahoma. People tell me I was born there but I really don’t remember.
Firedoggies,
I spoke earlier today with Gori, at Congressman Adam Smith’s office. She said since Skelton’s bill was in early stages no opinion yet. So I next asked what is the Congressman’s position on Habeas Corpus? Same answer. I then asked, when our conversation ends. I’m to understand the Congressman’s position today, as a democrat, on the Armed Service Committee, he is willing to deny Habeas Corpus? And to my total Fucking shock, her answer was yes. I then asked her to send me Congressman Smith’s official response by mail, which she said she would do. I can’t Fucking Wait to get this bullshit!
Iowan here:
This ad will play well in Iowa. I am an Iowan by transplant(from Minnesota) and have travelled extensively. Believe Me
The two Americas theme plays well in small town America as well as the inordinate sacrifice of the volunteers from the Midwest who” saw” the military as a step up. At what price?
Small town America has been decimated by this Preventive war.
The ad is good. The people are very genuine, I think it will play well in the Midwest.
It is “A Beautiful Day” here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt0oa4IqNqg
If the Iraqi Parliament shortens its vacation, it’s not clear that members won’t take an unofficial one anyway. Beyond that, even if the Parliament does meet, it remains doubtful they will accomplish much of anything. It’s not much of a government and Iraqi priorities (and timetables) are not Washington ones.
I, unfortunately, can’t see the ad (firewalled at work) but someone upthread mentioned “courage.” Edwards needs to shout this word loud and clear.
The Bushies dare not utter the words “sacrifice” or “courage.” Why is that? Well their chickenhawk credentials prevent them from talking about it. So what is their message? Fear. Scary terrorists. But don’t worry, we’ll protect you, now go drive around, buy some more gas, and shop.
It’s horseshit.
Edwards, or any candidate, who talks about courage, how Americans have “nothing to fear but fear itself,” will win the next election.
Edwards’ personal story is so compelling (he’s lost a son, Elizabeth’s continuing fight, John speaking consistently from his heart) that he’s got the market cornered on courage. He can inspire the whole country if he really wants to.
That is a compelling message-”courage” works with both substance and soundbytes.
Edwards/Barak in 08? I’m starting to like the sound of that.
ccmask @ 108
Same deal with my now-15-year old. For a year or better, he had ear infections, strep, tonsilitis, sinus infections every time he was off antibiotics. After the adnoid removal and ear drains inserted, he never had another ear infection. His tonsils remain so has had some throat infections, but the surgery took care of the really painful maladies. He was two, maybe three when he had that done.
Have heard from others, though, that their children didn’t fare so well. But, like I said, that was 10-plus years ago. For what it’s worth….
I agree with Christy that the ad is a little stiff, but do you remember when Lamont was just beginning? His initial ads were a little stiff too, and then something happened in their technique that made them more natural and spontaneous. I don’t know who was behind that change but it really worked.
sofistic @ 136
Maybe it was Jet ;-)
Changing screen names is cause for banning from this site.
Please pick one and stick with it please.
Thanks.
15 minutes after Cheney leaves Iraq, the Iraqis will have forgotten he was ever there.
Hugh @ 135
Except for the smell.
Do you remember when Bill Clinton remarked that Edwards could “talk an owl out of a tree?” I think he can, but he needs to impart that to his ads. How, I don’t know, but someone out there must know.
Gnome de Plume @ 123
Did the heart convert back to normal rhythm before you left the ER? If not, you need to insist your cardiologist take a look without delay. Needs attention.
Hugh @ 137
No one should ever forget Cheney. He should be the constant reminder to never let Republics have any power again.
Gnome de Plume @ 82
If you have a question, it is always a good idea to pass it by your physician. From the little I understood from your description, it could be something as simple as a loose lead or incidental movement. The wave forms in atrial fibrillation don’t change. They just come at irregularly irregular intervals as they say.
OT–
From Romenesko:
Please do… “Do not be dainty with leave-taking.”–Macbeth.
Hugh @ 138
In no small part, that’s because they’ll never actually see him to begin with.
Gnome de Plume @ 111
i don’t know either, and it doesn’t matter what it actually meant. I let Christy respond if she feels a response is appropriate, or if other action is necessary. what i do know is that anybody who writes like that is up to no good and the best way to deal with them is just to not respond. they never like that and it frustrates them. ergo, it’s the way to treat them …..
egregious @ 140
Yes, it must have because they kept him for observation and had him on a monitor all night. But they kept him because of it being a head injury and the fact that he fainted in my arms during triage. There was no record of those fibs. I did point them out to the ER doc and he paled when he saw the monitor, but it did not make it into his report, so our family doc and his cardiologist are pooh-pooing it. That is why I have to follow up. It was probably the shock, but still, what if it happens again and I could have done something to avoid tragedy?
Oh, for heaven’s sakes, people — smapdi has answered that a coupla times now — it was intended as snark, albeit perhaps not as good as smapdi intended the snark to be since no one appears to have gotten it. Please, let it go — I’m too tired for the “is he or isn’t he a troll” stuff today. Thanks.
RBG
I would rather use prober. Sorry for my violation. The message I sent is entirly factual. I used my real name because I am mortified by this fucking shit.
Randy Gorsuch
Please listen to Neil Conan’s interview with John Bolton over a week ago.
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..Id=9942906
Conan allowed Bolton to rant and rave about Iran! Bolton repeated unsubstantiated claims about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program. Conan never challenged these claims not once.
Please listen and then contact the ombudsperson at NPR and let them know that you expect more challenging questions coming from Conan.
http://www.npr.org/contact/
Neil Conan basically provided a stage for Bolton to repeat these claims that are not based on hard evidence. Allowing inflammatory rhetoric to be repeated could increase the possibility that the Bush administration would pre-emptively strike Iran. Deja Vu Folks
Deja Vu Neil Conan.
We must be making progress, if we’ve acquired a Resident Troll as well as drivebys (like the one at 37). I wonder how well trolling pays.
I think that the consequences of thaving the Guard in Iraq indefinitely is sinking in on a lot of people who have been backing the war because ‘the terr’ists will follow us home’. I think they may be seeing that the terrorists are in the White House, and we have to throw them out ourselves.
Thanks Christy. I must need a snark tune up or something. :)
I shoulda quoted the comment but I thought that would be troll encouraging. I wont feed a troll again, I promise!
Sorry to be hijacking the thread on medical stuff. M.de Plume did say after I told him about it that he did feel a fluttering in his chest during that time, so yes I am following up.
smapdi @ 151
Hey, you’re doing better getting past your badly-worded joke than John Kerry could manage. Cheers!
Jose Chung @ 37
troll?
smapdi is not a troll. (I saw the snark in that post.)
LibertyLee is a troll. Jose Chung is a troll (visiting from Digby’s place).
One more medical comment, but this time for Christy and other parents of kids with ear problems. My daughter had the same ear infection issues from the time we moved to Houston from Canada when she was two until we had her tonsils and adenoids out at six. Never had an infection after that, and she is now 25, so we were fortunate.
do we need to perform a hicksterectomy?
Punaise has arrived to save the day!
P J Evans @ 156
Libertylee is not a troll. Just trying to talk. I regret that one cannot disagree without being having one’s motives challenged, but I have tried to be very courteous with the folks here.
Gnome—We cannot imagine anything you did to cause this, so don’t worry about that.
We are concerned about the blase attitude of the ER doctor in combination with the cardiologist who is thinking things are fine.
I don’t know if you have any opportunity to get a fresh look at the situation from another physician, ideally another cardiologist.
This can be serious. The fainting was an important symptom. The cardiologist ignoring this in combination with the ventricular fibrillation concerns me very much.
My visiting surgeon advises that the monitor in the ER might have recorded history that your cardiologist could review. Hope this helps and please remember I am not a physician and you need the real one.
Some in the Edwards camp is blaming his falling polls numbers on the bad press from his $400 haircuts. Can any serious person honestly think that Edward’s haircut is the sole source of his lagging campaign?
If only it were that simple.
I think that America senses the same opportunism in Edward’s ever-changing positions that I’ve felt during his 6-year non-stop Presidential campaign:
1. He was for the war in Iraq before he was against it.
2. He was for the $87 billion before he was against it.
3. He was for being part of the Senate looking for bi-partisan solutions before he was against it.
4. He was for his campaign donors paying for his $400 haircuts before he was against it.
5. He was for the “global war on terror” before he was against it.
6. He was for secret service protection before he was against it.
Further, Edwards claim latest claim that Iraq is his #1 priority, is undermined by the fact that he has yet to even go to Iraq! He claims that this is due to scheduling conflicts, despite having done little besides other than run for president for over 6 years.
If Kathy Griffin, Robin Williams, and the Dallas Cowboy’s Cheerleaders can find the time to get to Iraq, why can’t he? Clearly, it isn’t a priority for him.
Edwards is a political weathervane that seems forever fixed pointing in one direction: his own personal ambition. America, it seems, senses the same something in the air.
Kathleen @ 154
Was it the smell of rotting timbers and goat hair that gave it away?
P J Evans @ 151
but retirin’ in five is not. He just suffers from the Costanza Syndrome — from time to time a decent comment, followed up by a series of gaffes and bad puns.
BTW — the lyrics were Hoyt Axton; song recorded by Three Dog Night. I assumed all of us dfh’s would remember. Fini? Donita? GPB? You left me twisting in the wind.
Fern @ 121
Yeah, they’re taking the time to say goodbye to their families and get their affairs in order before pissing of one or another of the armed groups who’ll be gunning for them after they “cheat” somebody out of their “fair” share of the oil revenue.
I just read Glenn Greenwald’s post on the MCA and habeas corpus. He used the Harry Reid quote “We want to do this.” I actually was the first to find and post that one when I investigated the legislative history of the MCA bill a day after its passage in the Senate last September. (takes bow here) I’m glad to see it being used. It’s the reason why when people start complimenting Reid I tend to be more doubtful and take a wait and see attitude.
I try to listen to Democracy Now a couple times a week. Norman Finklestein fighting for the truth in regard to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and fighting for tenure at DePaul Univ.
http://www.democracynow.org/
I thought the ad was dreary and lacked energy. Everyone in the ad seemed like they had been up all night doing take after take. Except the old single woman looked like she was ready to get her shotgun out.
Christy, I scrolled down just to answer your questions about the ad. I thought the first ad was good and I agree that the second is flat.
I think a good approach is to film people talking about the subject from their hearts and minds.
The skill will be in the editing.
I always know when I hearing the real thing. (Unless it’s Meryl Streep.)
The heart of the heartland?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR57I6qUnWg
mrobinsong @ 107
I liked the first ad and I think it would be recieved well in the “Metropolitan” areas of the state – Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Quad Cities. The 2nd ad was a little too cheestJoeCHI @ 162
Edwards is not falling in the polls in Iowa. He is leading the polls in Iowa. He is also the only Democratic candidate that wins head to head against any and all potential Republican candidates. What camp do you represent?
P J Evans @ 152
In ‘09 we can draft them to go work in Iraq, fixing their mess. They can come back when the people there great them in the street with flowers.
Egregious, no I did not take it as being anything I did that caused it – I was referring to having been able to do something in the future. I had an uncle with a serious health history survive sudden cardiac death because my aunt knew CPR and all the life saving stuff he needed until the EMT’s got there. I will be signing up for a class to get certified in all that once I get this fib thing under the cardiologist’s nose. (I knew all that first aid long ago as a girl scout.)
Okay, so I’m marking JoeCHI at 159 down in the “not likely for Edwards” column. *g*
Actually looking back through my files, the quote from Reid that I found was this:
This was at the point where Frist and Reid were discussing on the Senate florr how to ensure that the MCA would be dealt with (and passed) before the Senate adjourned before the November 2006 elections.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 175
So where does he fall, do you think…McCain or Giuliani?
I’m going to comment from my position as a long-time advertising executive [don’t hold it against me :)], rather than what I like or don’t as a consumer of advertising (and yes, we can, and do, change hats).
- There’s always a trade-off when we opt for “real people” instead of actors. Real folks deliver believability, not great script readings. You take the best readings you get. Also, it’s entirely possible that these Iowans simply aren’t angry yet. Disappointed, maybe. Disgusted. Concerned.
I’d posit that most people are not as angry as engaged netroots folks and activists, and that the emotions coming out in the spot are likely more universal that what readers and commenters here feel. And I’m positive that focus groups and/or quantitative research directed what we call the “tone and manner” of the spot.
- Agree that the editing’s a bit choppy, but the reason I would have opted to use several people instead of one or two, would have been to give almost every viewer “someone like me” to identify with. One or two speakers would have made for easier editing, but more difficult self-identification among viewers. The second is the more important goal.
- I hope that Phoenix Woman is right in her observation that this is an intro ad, and more “urgent” spots will follow in time. Product and service marketers are good at rolling out a story, or running umbrella “brand campaigns” with quick-hitting, short-lived promotions beneath the umbrella. Politicians, not so much. I’d love to see a political campaign execute a long-term plan, with rapid response spots (or quick fixes to the plan) aired as needed.
- I freelance now, but in my agency life, I’d have expected a long, serious discussion on whether to include a call-to-action or not. I’d have been on the “not” side of the equation. This spot wants to get people emotionally engaged. Remember, not everybody is. The Edwards folks aren’t just preaching to the choir. Asking people to get up, now, and call their Congresspeople risks stopping that budding emotion in its tracks.
You need awareness before you can get consideration. And consideration precedes contact (and/or trial) and purchase. I read this as the equivalent of an awareness spot. Too early for the “contact.” Still, a tough call.
- Editing aside, the production values are rather good for a political ad. Some, but not all, of the Ned Lamont spots I saw had great production values, as did Eliot Spitzer’s in New York. And that’s about it in that area, sad to say.
OT ~ The Coulter/Limpbaugh/Bigot base have got their girl… Bush’s New USAID Nominee: Hispanics Are ‘Lazy’
Just cruising the news stories and was struck by the similar attitudes (and whines)from Paris & Wolfowitz~ they both feal so wronged by others and so innocent of any wrong doing on their own…..
I,too, as did a poster up-thread, found that if I used too much emotion in a discussion I would lose my mom.
However, even if I lost her temporarily because of her delicate sensibilities I always got her back. In fact, she seemed to be fascinated by my emotional displays, and the one thing she never doubted was my sincerity.
I think it is incumbent on the photographer to find the emotion. Maybe there simply isn’t enough time to follow a subject around with a camera until the subject forgets the camera and allows the deeper power of his/her true emotions to show up. Regretfully, as much as I like Edwards and as much as I agree with the sentiments expressed in this ad, I think it would be too easy for me to write it off if I were on the other side of the issue.
retirin’ in five @ 165
I knew it – I had a 3 Dog Night Greatest Hits album when i was a kid.
Lou Costello @ 180
At least she’s fair, from what I read…she’s prejudiced against everybody.
ruffian @ 179
But, thank God, Wolfowitz never pranced around in a skimpy swimsuit to shill fast-food burgers.
Good ad IMNSHO.
As a native Kentuckian and sometime hick, these folks ain’t hicks. :})
And may I say the pups are on FIRE today.
Biodun @ 30 Ya got me thinking about John Prine’s classic: “Your Flag Decal won’t get you into heaven anymore, It’s already overcrowded by your dirtty little war…”
Christy @ 38 Now you’re going to force me to go back and re-read Forever War again. Haldeman is such a good writer.
Badwater @ 46 in re: Cheney and OJ: Did you see where OJ got booted out of a steak house in Louisvill over the weekend? Owner said he didn’t desire to serve people who had acted like OJ. Said the only honorable thing OJ’s done since the murder of his ex was to leave peacefully.
Oklahoma Kiddo Looks like you survived the violence of teh night. Thanks for It’s A Beautiful Day. Their music is also welcome through my speakers. And like John Prine mention above, once again far more appropriate than it should be.
Kathleen @ 89
Hmmmm. The Lieberliar dots connect. I posted something about this way in EPU-land on a thread of Jane’s yesterday, but I think this sort of thing explain’s Lieberman’s behavior. He is neither a Dem or a Rep. He is a Likudnik. Israel has been wanting the US to take Saddam out for years. Now they want the US to “deal” with Iran. And when Joe goes on about fighting “the terrorists” in Baghdad so we don’t have to fight them in the homeland, he is not talking about Connecticut–he is talking about Israel and (perhaps more significantly) the occupied territories.
The “Israel” lobby is incredibly powerful–which is likely why Reid et al are handling Joe with kid gloves. Or perhaps, marginalizing him–biding their time until ‘08.
man, lots of trolls today – looks like CHS hit a nerve
Kathleen @ 168
There is an interesting piece on the Finklestein Dershowitz “battle” in Nation this week.
Thanks for the heads up on the Democracy Now interview.
In my humble opinion Dershowitz is a dreadful little man….is he related to Lieberman?
This John Edwards ad is the type of ad that groups opposing Bush should be utilizing.
Start using the American voice against him. I would love to see commercials with ordinary Americans telling Bush just what they think. The uninhibited the expression the better!
retirin’ in five @ 165
I missed the ref to Jeremiah, (assuming that’s what yer talkin’ about here)
I’ve got a great trivia question about Hoyt Axton’s family. VERY few get it.
EvilDrPuma @ 183
From ThinkProgress:
An equal opportunity bigot! It’s like female Archie Bunker.
BTW: I love machines.
Am I the only one who cant log on to Ameriblog ?
Bison @ 188
It could go a long way toward hitting Bush where he lives, in his fake folksiness.
Lou Costello @ 190
Leona Helmsley has a sister?
As for the ad. I like it–I think it is too early in the season for a more hard-hitting ad. I think it does a good job of highlighting the disconnect between the voices of regular people and the Beltway stenographic noise machine. It would be great if they ran during news casts.
And putting out the image of regular people speaking truth to power. Hopefully,as Celtic Muse has suggested, the Edwards campaign has a series of these lined up which will become more passionate as caucus time approaches. It is still way too early to “peak” emotionally (hopefully a lesson learned from the Dean campaign).
It occurs to me that one purpose of this ad is to begin to build an Iowan volunteer base, which they will need. Again, a lesson learned from the Dean campaign (the Deaniacs in Iowa not being well recieved by the natives).
OT to Randiego — “…when I was a kid.” Is that some age snark you’re throwin’ at me :-)
OT to dak — different song, same Axton. The comment was “..never been to Oklahoma” and the lyrics that I haven’t thought about in years just kinda jumped out. What’s your trivia?
Pat @ 193
I cant either.
Edwards is my choice. Should Gore not change his mind. About running. Gore/Edwards. Now that would be fine. Edwards is in possession of the right stuff.
retirin’ in five @ 195
Who wrote the song Heartbreak Hotel AND founded a record company. Name both. Extra credit if know the full origin of record company name.
retirin’ in five @ 196
I LOVE Hoyt Axton–and it was so cool that he was the Dad in the movie Black Beauty (I was a real horse lover as a kid)!
retirin’ in five @ 195
hey i loved that record
Whatever. I want a drastic change in policy by our government on Middle East policy.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 198
I’m with Fred Thompson/Rudy Giuliani
dakine01 @ 191
I’m too tired from work to Google. C’mon Dak. Give it up.
Hmmm. I guess everybody’s googling Hoyt and Heartbreak Hotel about now. ;})
dakine01 @ 185
THe OJ incident is going to be interesting. His lawyer is already talking about it being discrimination because he’s black. (Um, don’t think so, myself. Although I might have let him have a table – next to the hallway to the restrooms.)
Don’t make me go find my copy of Forever War. It’s somewhere in one of the Magic Boxes (which hold many years of life, they’re just all in storage).
Gee I guess only white people live in Iowa – not a black, Asian, Hispanic, etc. among them.
Unless that’s true, this is a major faux pas for an alledged grassroots, progressive guy.
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retirin’ in five @ 202 says:
Hoyt Axton’s mother, Estelle wrote “Heartbreak Hotel”. She was a co-founder of STAX records out of Memphis, home of Otis Redding, Isaac Hayes, Booker T and The MGs and many others. Name derived from Jim STewart (her brother) and Estelle AXton.
dakine01~
whoa- that is trivia!
LibertyLee @ 202
I’m with Fred Thompson/Rudy Giuliani
Now there is a big shocker. A film actor and a thief…haven’t we been there before?
Whoops–not quite. Hoyt’s mother did write Heartbreak Hotel and a couple of hundred other songs, but her name was Mae, not Estelle. Estelle Axton and her brother Jim Stewart founded STAX records. (Elvis also recorded Never Been to Spain.)
LibertyLee @ 202
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Nah. This is fish-in-a-barrel stuff.
DaVeep @ 202
Thanks, Dak.
That’s right about Elvis. I forgot. If someone posts that Kevin Bacon recorded it also, I’m outta here.
P J Evans @ 206
The idea of giving a black man a bad table has overtones here in the south, even as an analogy.
I hope we are above that?
pluege @ 204
We may be white but we have a tolerance of diversity that would make you proud. Unassuming hard working folks who have a sense of community and compassion.
I know, I am prejudiced in our favor. I have lived everywhere and done everything. Home is here and I am a proud well informed Iowan.
DaVeep @ 211
Nothing like screwing up my own trivia by mashing things together. Ah well, my lesson for the day. Thanks!
Celtic Music @ 178–
This is another place where the netroots are pioneering campaign tactics, I hope and believe, digital production and distribution being so much faster and lower-cost than broadcast.
A web-produced ad or song going viral won’t reach everybody, but it’s increasingly important to any messaging strategy and it might make the difference in a close race. I completely agree that response time and flexibility are critical as the campaigns heat up.
Christy, thanks for helping progressives like Edwards to stay in touch with the netroots constituencies.
As a former phone sales person, NEVER, NEVER READ a pitch. NEVER READ A PITCH.
You have to memorize it, and own it. You have to be able to say it forwards and backwards and sing it in your sleep. Then you can begin to breathe life and emotion into it. Then you can begin to say it naturally, like a conversation. That’s why they tell you they’re not taping when they are. You look more natural. Unscripted: the gold standard.
pluege @ 205
In all fairness, Iowa’s minority population is about 6% total.
pluege @ 207
the percentage of minorities in Iowa is quite small. i lived in Waterloo/Cedar Fall where there are a fair number of people of color. I worked under three black administrators and roomed for a year with a Native American. statewide you will not find many people of color, especially in small towns and in the rural part of the state. the ad didn’t go for tokenism but it wasn’t unrepresentative either.
Just noticed Tucker doing a hit piece on Edwards. Talking about him working for a hedge fund…Blah Blah Blah. Tucker is such a tool. Why is it he has a show?
Between Tucker and the attempted takedown of JRE on “This Week”, does anyone else see a pattern here?
Someone must be worried. Guess the PTB in the MSM don’t want any real discussion of some serious issues, especially the realities of NOLA and poverty in this country. Guess those topics are just not sexy enough for ratings.
JoeCHI @ 163
Thank you!
Jane (nyc) @ 222
JRE? PTB? MSM? NOLA? Can’t discuss this….don’t know the acronyms. (MSM & NOLA, I get)
Dee @ 27
I agree with you. I like the premise of the ad, and several of the people who spoke gave the impression that they were at least somewhat passionate about what they were saying. One woman in particular soun-ded like she was rea-ding, and my gut instict was that she didn’t really feel as passionate about what she was saying – but, then you remind me that these are not professional actors. Many may be nervous speaking into the camera. I hope Edwards will continue with this type of campaign, but will make sure to use people who eat the camera, who really demonstrate the passion with their faces and body language.
I was expecting to see something at the end that said, “Speak Your Mind, Americans. Write or call your members of Congress and tell them you want our troops to come home to safety.” Then, show the congressional switchboard 800 number. That would have been a nice touch, as it would give people ideas as to how they can stand up and make their voices heard.
They could have also suggested other ideas, like writing LTEs and joining with others in your community. Give a few options on little things people can do to make their voices heard (sort of like they did at the end of “An Inconvenient Truth”.)
At the end of the ad, Edwards could speak about how it is truly American to speak your mind and voice your opinions, and our leaders desperately need to hear the voice of We The People.
In my opinion, that would be a passionate, heartfelt ad that can call people to action. For almost six years, we’ve been told to shut up and trust our government. That’s not working out very well for America. It’s time to stand up and speak our minds, as it is the American way.
pluege @ 207
Exactly why those of us in larger States have been campaigning to have a say in the choice of a candidate for President. Neither Iowa nor NH are respresentative of the face of America.
jinny @ 226
Perhaps not in this video, but Iowa and NH are just as representative of the face of America as anywhere else in the U.S. Of course if you’re talking diversification of the ‘American face’ – that’s another issue.
jinny @ 223
if you’re here to make an argument, please do so. if you’re here to regurgitate RNC talking points don’t waste my time.
They love John Edwards in Iowa. Why is it we don’t hear this on the political commentary? He will get my vote.
The Edwards Iowa ad is wonderful. It is the exact message Congress needs to hear. Will they?
I think you put your finger on what’s wrong. It’s scripted, and people can tell when something is scripted.
It would have been more labor-intensive to go around the state with a camera and cut in 30 seconds of unscripted stuff along the same lines, but I think it would have been worthwhile.
Good take.
Ad looks good to me.
Here’s what’s wrong – regular people’s “regularness” is heightened by TV. What I do is tape & tape real people interviews till I know they have long forgotten the camera is there. You then pan for gold during post production and string all the nuggets together in a logical chain. Sure as hell trumps a pre-written script. Let the people you interview write the script – Found Art, baby!!!
pow wow @ 28
I am more interested in the HOW than in the WHY–cuz the “why” is well-covered in the history of empires, in a general sense anyway. What do empires do? They make war for land and resources. And they prevent anyone from gaining power who doesn’t agree.
But I just want to briefly list the “whys” that I believe are relevant to this empire, today.
I think there are several drivers of the Iraq War (and associated fascism), but the first and foremost are the war profiteers–what Eisenhower called the “military-industrial complex” which needs a big war every 20 years or so to feed the beast. They now MANUFACTURE war for that purpose (profit).
Then: unholy of alliancie of the war profiteers with, a) oil corporations and other global corporate predators (with other interests in looting and destroying American democracy and its great progressive middle class–for instance, to stop environmental regulation and prevent accountability, say, the Seattle ‘99 spirit spreading against labor and environmental impacts of “free trade” –i.e., global corporate piracy); b) the super-rich; c) rightwing ‘christian’ nutballs; d) Israel supporters who back the rightwing Israeli vision of Israel as an armed medieval fortress (–so detrimental to Israel as a potentially good cultural influence in the Middle East, with devastating impact on Israel’s reputation and strategic position, via its association with the most hated regime on earth–the Bush Junta–v. bad pick of allies for Israel); and e) every Republican dirtbag in the country, out to make a buck off the US taxpayer teat. Totally out-of-control Republican dirtbag-ism, riding the coattails of major Bush/Cheney thievery and immorality.
The Unholy Roman Empire. Declining and falling from the get-go, even as its “patriarchs” tried to cement it, once again, with a state religion.
But I am not so interested in the WHY as in the HOW. There, I think, lay the answers for strategy. The How.
I long ago realized that the Democratic leadership is in on the HOW, when I discovered that they all–all but 2 in the Senate*, and half the House Dems–voted FOR the “Help America Vote for Bush Act” of 2002. Same month as the IWR (and closely related to it). This bill appropropriated $3.9 billion to fast-track electronic voting all over the country, run on “TRADE SECRET,” PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations.
What the…?! I declared to myself. How come the Dems were not screaming at the top of their lungs and chaining themselves to their desks to get this changed. How come you hear not a whisper of objection out any of their mouths? Not then. Not now.
Oh, they’re dicking with the bill now, but nothing serious. A 2% audit. Har, har.
DIEBOLD: Run by a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser;
ES&S: Spinoff of Diebold, initially funded by rightwing nutball billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist ‘christian’ Chalcedon foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things).
What the…?! (–that phrase keeps occurring to my mind.)
These are the people who “counted” 80% of the nation’s votes in 2004, under a veil of corporate secrecy. And more now. Now they want New York!
That will complete this fascist coup.
Until we restore vote counting that everyone can see and understand, and boot these fuckers out of our election system, nothing much can be changed.
More war. The US is never going to give up this foothold in the Middle East. Mark my words. More global corporate predation. More looting and gouging and outsourcing of jobs and suffering at home. The Constitution is gone. It ain’t never coming back until we have TRANSPARENT vote counting again.
So, while I look with interest and joy upon the great American activist and democracy-loving community and all its many good works, protesting war, fighting the “unitary executive,” trying to restore basic human rights in the USA, I’m focused on our most basic power–our only power, really, other than passionate yelling–our right to vote.
I think it has to be a grass roots, citizen-driven demand at the local/state level for transparent vote counting. However we can get it done. Let them keep their shiny new machines. Just count the goddman ballots (once we restore the right to a visible ballot), and post the results BEFORE any electronics are involved. All of the results. Every vote.
And if that happens, on a widespread basis, we’re going to see remarkable change in this country, very fast. Things we can’t even dream of now–90% cut in the military budget, down to a true defensive posture (no more wars of choice!), dismantling of bad actor corporations, and seizing their assets for the public good, busting up of the fascist corporate new monopolies, restoration of the progressive tax, the “greening” of America.
The greatness of democracy, as a political idea, is that it enables the ship of state to change course, when it is headed for disaster. The ossification of our democracy–this stuck pattern of warmongering and other fascist policy–has some specific causes. Those are what we need to address. And priority #1 among them is this COUP in our voting system from transparent to non-transparent vote counting.
It’s staring us in the face. How could this ever have happened? It is outrageously undemocratic.
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*(You will be surprised at the exceptions. The only 2 Democratic Senators who voted AGAINST the “Help America Vote For War Act” were Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer. But I don’t think it was out of their great love for democracy. I think it was more New Yorkers’ attachment to their old, reliable, virtually unriggable lever voting machines. It would have been an affront to New Yorkers. But Diebold/ES&S is now worming itself in. I hope to God New York resists them.)
I’m ok with the ad – I think an important group will connect.
This commercial isn’t directed very well and is too scripted. My educated guess, Too Many Takes…
Christy, I liked it. I thought it was straightforward and simple. I liked Edwards’ statement that he, not his staff, etc, approved this message.
Thanks for posting it.
As we head into the campaign, I think it would be good if we could compare the spots of the three frontrunners.
I’d like to see what kind of commercials Obama and Hillary are running, at about the same point in time.
Can you swing that?