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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/08/substance-more-please/#comment-679074</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;West Virginia may have a low percentage of college grads, but politically it’s history is coal miner’s, unions and Democratic governors &amp; federal gov. reps. Our only Republican rep in my lifetime is the current one and she’s the daughter of a former governor, so she has reputation and credibility. Mostly we’ve been Dem until the last couple of presidential elections where Bush “won”. How he won, but we got a Dem governor at the same time, is a mystery. Must be dem little black boxes we’ve been using to vote on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d agree that once the collegiate grad level increases there’s more Dems in charge. However, there’s a chicken &amp; egg question to solve: which comes first, high tech information industry jobs or intelligent college grads?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We in WV don’t have a lot of high tech jobs, so most of our grads have been moving out of state (thus fewer WV grads in the current state population).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe you need to check the percentage of college grads for people born in a state, rather than those currently residing there. In some states there was a mass exodus during the depressing 1980s. In a few states like WV that slowed during the 1990s, but the escape is probably going on today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>West Virginia may have a low percentage of college grads, but politically it’s history is coal miner’s, unions and Democratic governors &amp; federal gov. reps. Our only Republican rep in my lifetime is the current one and she’s the daughter of a former governor, so she has reputation and credibility. Mostly we’ve been Dem until the last couple of presidential elections where Bush “won”. How he won, but we got a Dem governor at the same time, is a mystery. Must be dem little black boxes we’ve been using to vote on.</p>
<p>I’d agree that once the collegiate grad level increases there’s more Dems in charge. However, there’s a chicken &amp; egg question to solve: which comes first, high tech information industry jobs or intelligent college grads?</p>
<p>We in WV don’t have a lot of high tech jobs, so most of our grads have been moving out of state (thus fewer WV grads in the current state population).</p>
<p>Maybe you need to check the percentage of college grads for people born in a state, rather than those currently residing there. In some states there was a mass exodus during the depressing 1980s. In a few states like WV that slowed during the 1990s, but the escape is probably going on today.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-678440&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Steve @ 146&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;More Gooper blood in the water:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ted Stevens’ Son Identified In Corruption Case&lt;br /&gt;
By Laura McGann - May 8, 2007, 12:11 PM&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003172.php&quot;&gt;www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003172.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clearly another plot by the WH and Gonzo to imply that he really WASN’T telling his Attorneys to go soft on Republicans, and target Democrats before the 2006 elections.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wait a sec…it’s 2007….and Bush isn’t running for President again! More important to toss a few sacrificial lambs on the blazing BBQ of Conngressional investigators to make sure that the Presidents former lawyer doesn’t start to squeal like infected pork roast!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-678440"><em>Steve @ 146</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>More Gooper blood in the water:</p>
<p>Ted Stevens’ Son Identified In Corruption Case<br />
By Laura McGann &#8211; May 8, 2007, 12:11 PM</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003172.php">http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003172.php</a></p>
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<p>Clearly another plot by the WH and Gonzo to imply that he really WASN’T telling his Attorneys to go soft on Republicans, and target Democrats before the 2006 elections.</p>
<p>Wait a sec…it’s 2007….and Bush isn’t running for President again! More important to toss a few sacrificial lambs on the blazing BBQ of Conngressional investigators to make sure that the Presidents former lawyer doesn’t start to squeal like infected pork roast!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/08/substance-more-please/#comment-678980</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 23:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-678430&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 138&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;According to the Army, the combat brigades would deploy for up to 15 months. The Army also said that close to 1,000 additional support troops from the U.S. Army Reserves would also deploy in August. Those would come from two units, an engineer battalion from Fort Thomas, Ky., and a signal battalion from Fort Huachuca, Az.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The 10 brigades are: the 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment in Germany; the 4th Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division from Fort Stewart, Ga.; the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Brigades of the 101st Airborne Division from Fort Campbell, Ky.; the 3rd Armored Calvary Regiment from Fort Hood, Texas; the 2nd Brigade, 1st Armored from Germany; 4th Brigade, 10th Mountain Division from Fort Polk, La.; 2nd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division from Hawaii; and the 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division from Fort Hood, Tx.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of these have had at least one tour in Iraq, except for one of the 101st Brigades…which served in Afghanistan. Whats odd is that the 1st Brigade, 4thn Infantry just returned from Iraq. They are already talking about sending them back again?????&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-678430"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 138</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>According to the Army, the combat brigades would deploy for up to 15 months. The Army also said that close to 1,000 additional support troops from the U.S. Army Reserves would also deploy in August. Those would come from two units, an engineer battalion from Fort Thomas, Ky., and a signal battalion from Fort Huachuca, Az.</p>
<p>The 10 brigades are: the 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment in Germany; the 4th Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division from Fort Stewart, Ga.; the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Brigades of the 101st Airborne Division from Fort Campbell, Ky.; the 3rd Armored Calvary Regiment from Fort Hood, Texas; the 2nd Brigade, 1st Armored from Germany; 4th Brigade, 10th Mountain Division from Fort Polk, La.; 2nd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division from Hawaii; and the 1st Brigade, 4th Infantry Division from Fort Hood, Tx.</p>
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<p>All of these have had at least one tour in Iraq, except for one of the 101st Brigades…which served in Afghanistan. Whats odd is that the 1st Brigade, 4thn Infantry just returned from Iraq. They are already talking about sending them back again?????</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/08/substance-more-please/#comment-678736</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 20:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-678394&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Blub @ 103&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-678334&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Prairie Sunshine @ 56&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ummm.  Yeah.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Each day now increases my amazement at how the shrub WH has managed to erode the Federal government’s capacity for even basic operations.   Even as shrub has geometrically increased the shear scale and size of the government, they’ve managed to transform the agencies, at almost all levels, into a collection of feudal patronage mills which get next to nothing done and spend trillions doing it.  Even basic functions, like drafting implementation rules for laws that the rethugs WANTED, are now beyond the cabinet agencies’ capabilities.  Meanwhile, political commisars (from the Regent Universities of the world) roam around, obstructing any prospect for dissent, much less progress and/or innovation.  … and much funding is now directed into newly structured propaganda/PR functions.  Students of public administration will be studying the shrub transformation of the US government into a black hole, for generations.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They are wasting Billions to protect Corporate oil interests.   Check out Veco’s mission statement at their web site.   What a joke!!!!&lt;br /&gt;
The Alaskan Oil Bribe,  “Tip of the Iceberg”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.&lt;br /&gt;
        Thomas Jefferson&lt;br /&gt;
        3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-678394"><em>Blub @ 103</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-678334"><em>Prairie Sunshine @ 56</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Ummm.  Yeah.</p>
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<p>Each day now increases my amazement at how the shrub WH has managed to erode the Federal government’s capacity for even basic operations.   Even as shrub has geometrically increased the shear scale and size of the government, they’ve managed to transform the agencies, at almost all levels, into a collection of feudal patronage mills which get next to nothing done and spend trillions doing it.  Even basic functions, like drafting implementation rules for laws that the rethugs WANTED, are now beyond the cabinet agencies’ capabilities.  Meanwhile, political commisars (from the Regent Universities of the world) roam around, obstructing any prospect for dissent, much less progress and/or innovation.  … and much funding is now directed into newly structured propaganda/PR functions.  Students of public administration will be studying the shrub transformation of the US government into a black hole, for generations.</p>
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<p>They are wasting Billions to protect Corporate oil interests.   Check out Veco’s mission statement at their web site.   What a joke!!!!<br />
The Alaskan Oil Bribe,  “Tip of the Iceberg”</p>
<p>I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.<br />
        Thomas Jefferson<br />
        3rd president of US (1743 &#8211; 1826)</p>
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		<title>By: blub</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/08/substance-more-please/#comment-678551</link>
		<dc:creator>blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-678493&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;rwcole @ 170&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Once 25% of the population gets a college degree, gooperism virtually disappears. Interesting!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, presumably they do teach you a few things in college, say, the difference between 1976 and 1776 and why British royalty can’t live to the ripe old age of 230 … but I presume this means you don’t go through Yale in a drunken stupor, never actually attending classes or cracking a book.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-678493"><em>rwcole @ 170</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Once 25% of the population gets a college degree, gooperism virtually disappears. Interesting!</p>
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<p>Well, presumably they do teach you a few things in college, say, the difference between 1976 and 1776 and why British royalty can’t live to the ripe old age of 230 … but I presume this means you don’t go through Yale in a drunken stupor, never actually attending classes or cracking a book.</p>
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		<title>By: RonD</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/08/substance-more-please/#comment-678526</link>
		<dc:creator>RonD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“There is no form of government but what may be a blessing if well administered, and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional Convention, 1787&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“There is no form of government but what may be a blessing if well administered, and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.”</p>
<p>-Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional Convention, 1787</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/08/substance-more-please/#comment-678499</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”&lt;br /&gt;
        Thomas Jefferson&lt;br /&gt;
        3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  “Then came the War against Terrorists”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Minutemen or the Insurgent, I can’t recall!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”<br />
        Thomas Jefferson<br />
        3rd president of US (1743 &#8211; 1826)</p>
<p>  “Then came the War against Terrorists”</p>
<p>The Minutemen or the Insurgent, I can’t recall!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/08/substance-more-please/#comment-678493</link>
		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Once 25% of the population gets a college degree, gooperism virtually disappears. Interesting!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once 25% of the population gets a college degree, gooperism virtually disappears. Interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: James Joyce</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/08/substance-more-please/#comment-678486</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.&lt;br /&gt;
   Thomas Jefferson, speech, 1808&lt;br /&gt;
   3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FOR THE CHRISTIAN FASCIST / And Bernard LAW&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. State churches that use government power to support themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of the church tends to make the clergy unresponsive to the people and leads to corruption within religion. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.<br />
   Thomas Jefferson, speech, 1808<br />
   3rd president of US (1743 &#8211; 1826)</p>
<p>FOR THE CHRISTIAN FASCIST / And Bernard LAW</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/08/substance-more-please/#comment-678484</link>
		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 18:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s the bottom 20 in terms of college degrees:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;31  South Dakota  23.6  22.0  25.3&lt;br /&gt;
34  North Carolina  23.4  22.2  24.6&lt;br /&gt;
34  Wyoming  23.4  19.9  26.9&lt;br /&gt;
36  Arizona  23.2  22.2  24.2&lt;br /&gt;
36  Wisconsin  23.2  22.0  24.4&lt;br /&gt;
38  South Carolina  22.7  20.2  25.2&lt;br /&gt;
39  Idaho  22.6  21.0  24.3&lt;br /&gt;
40  Iowa  22.2  21.0  23.4&lt;br /&gt;
41  Ohio  21.9  21.4  22.4&lt;br /&gt;
42  Tennessee  21.0  19.8  22.2&lt;br /&gt;
43  Oklahoma  20.7  19.9  21.5&lt;br /&gt;
44  Alabama  20.6  19.8  21.4&lt;br /&gt;
44  Indiana  20.6  18.3  22.9&lt;br /&gt;
46  Louisiana  20.4  19.2  21.6&lt;br /&gt;
47  Arkansas  19.7  18.5  20.9&lt;br /&gt;
48  Kentucky  18.8  18.0  19.6&lt;br /&gt;
49  Nevada  18.6  17.6  19.6&lt;br /&gt;
50  Mississippi  17.7  16.5  18.9&lt;br /&gt;
51  West Virginia  16.1  14.8  17.4  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pretty much a red state paradise with the surprising exception of Wisconsin. Arkansas and La. are not as red as most others on the list- and Ohio appears to be recovering from it’s bout of gooperism- but the correlation is certainly striking.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s the bottom 20 in terms of college degrees:</p>
<p>31  South Dakota  23.6  22.0  25.3<br />
34  North Carolina  23.4  22.2  24.6<br />
34  Wyoming  23.4  19.9  26.9<br />
36  Arizona  23.2  22.2  24.2<br />
36  Wisconsin  23.2  22.0  24.4<br />
38  South Carolina  22.7  20.2  25.2<br />
39  Idaho  22.6  21.0  24.3<br />
40  Iowa  22.2  21.0  23.4<br />
41  Ohio  21.9  21.4  22.4<br />
42  Tennessee  21.0  19.8  22.2<br />
43  Oklahoma  20.7  19.9  21.5<br />
44  Alabama  20.6  19.8  21.4<br />
44  Indiana  20.6  18.3  22.9<br />
46  Louisiana  20.4  19.2  21.6<br />
47  Arkansas  19.7  18.5  20.9<br />
48  Kentucky  18.8  18.0  19.6<br />
49  Nevada  18.6  17.6  19.6<br />
50  Mississippi  17.7  16.5  18.9<br />
51  West Virginia  16.1  14.8  17.4  </p>
<p>Pretty much a red state paradise with the surprising exception of Wisconsin. Arkansas and La. are not as red as most others on the list- and Ohio appears to be recovering from it’s bout of gooperism- but the correlation is certainly striking.</p>
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