Well, after weeks of trying to pin every car-backfire, school massacre, and kid with a cherry bomb on phony cabals of Muslim Fanatic Terrorists, Righty Blogistan and the Em Ess Em have finally got themselves a group of real live jihadi. In Jersey. (Where else, really?)
WASHINGTON (CNN) — The federal government charged five alleged Islamic radicals with plotting to kill U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey.
A sixth was charged with aiding and abetting the illegal possession of firearms by three of the others.
"The philosophy that supports and encourages jihad around the world against Americans came to live here in New Jersey and threaten the lives of our citizens through these defendants," New Jersey U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said at a news conference Tuesday.
The men were arrested Monday night and heard the charges against them Tuesday in federal court. They will be held without bond pending a hearing Friday, according to Michael Drewniak, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey.
Well, so much for fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.
You know that Debbie Schlussel is turning clumsy-ass cartwheels of joy that there's finally some Hot Islamic Jihadi Action for her to write about. And of course, their semi-questionable citizenship status has Michelle Malkin melting through her Victoria's Secret white cotton lady briefs. You can go look at their blogs if you want. I don't have the stomach for it. They'll be dining out on these six losers and their woodland paintball games all the way to the 2008 elections and beyond. The Muslim Fanatics are, like, totally among us right now!! Time to start rounding them all up, eh, Internment Girl?
Never mind that we've done this song and dance before with those seven losers in a warehouse in Miami that got arrested last year. Never mind that this is all suspiciously well-timed for the Bush Assministration, whose poll numbers are tanking and whose pet idiot will be making his second (and undoubtedly awe-inspiringly bad) testimony before Congress the day after tomorrow.
No, this time it's different! This time it's important! This time the threat was REAL!
("Wolf!" cried the boy, "Wolf! Wolf!")
So, expect this to be in heavy rotation in the media cycle over the next couple of weeks. They're going to milk it for every last possible fear-mongering, freedom-squelching, race-baiting drop that they can squeeze out. You're actually going to miss the Anna Nicole frenzy. You think I'm kidding, don't you?
I guess the thing that chaps my ass about the whole thing is that there were two other major domestic terror plots uncovered last week, but what has Wolf Blitzer had to say about that? Nothing. Nil.
But just for the hell of it, let's review.
First off, there's the southern-fried militia I like to call the Alabama Asshat Brigade.
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama — Five members of a self-styled Alabama militia were denied bond Tuesday after a federal agent testified they planned a machine-gun attack on Mexicans. A sixth man accused of having weapons and explosives components in his home was approved for release.
U.S. Magistrate Judge Robert Armstrong said he could not grant bond because of the agent's testimony and the large number of weapons — including about 200 homemade hand grenades and a launcher — that were seized in raids last Friday.
And what were they going to do with those guns and grenades?
Kill as many Mexicans as possible.
Adam Nesmith, an agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified that the five men planned an attack on Mexicans in a small town just north of Birmingham, and went there on a reconnaissance mission April 20.
Nesmith said one of the men told an informant that the group, which calls itself the Alabama Free Militia, saw government agents as "the enemy" and had a standing order to open fire if anyone saw government agents approaching.
The sixth man is charged with being a drug user in possession of a firearm. A federal agent testified they found two rooms loaded with guns and possible explosives components, including fireworks, ball bearings, primers, mouse traps, light bulbs and fertilizer.
A lawyer for one of the men has said the case has been overblown by authorities. He said his client began stockpiling items partly because of the scare of the Y2K computer glitch in 2000.
Right. And I bought a whole new spring wardrobe because I like to ride the escalators at the mall.
Then there was this little token of love from the "culture of life":
AUSTIN, Texas – A bomb was left in a duffel bag in the parking lot of a clinic where abortions are performed, but a bomb squad safely detonated it.
An employee found the package Wednesday in the parking lot of the Austin Women's Health Center, authorities said. The immediate area, including nearby Interstate 35, was evacuated briefly.
The device "was configured in such a way to cause serious bodily injury or death," said David Carter, assistant chief of the Austin Police Department.
So, that's two other domestic terrorism plots with actual weapons (which the Jersey Jihadi and the Florida Warehouse Gang never got around to acquiring, by the way) in a week. Of course, because they were going to kill Mexicans and women seeking abortions, well, that's just not sexy like the Nightly News needs for ledes. Those stories barely merit a passing mention, whereas our unarmed Islamic fantasists in Trenton are going to be absolutely ubiquitous.
And don't expect people like Malkin and Pam Atlas and Debbie Schlussel to give any column inches at all to these Conservaterrorists, let alone open up their ever-present cans of fauxtrage. Those people are their readers, so of course they wouldn't want to alienate their fan-base. Nope, it's going to be all Jersey Jihadi all the time for the foreseeable future.
Enjoy!
UPDATE: The kids at Wonkette have precisely the correct attitude on this one.
Ok. So, the plot was: six dudes from New Jersey buy some guns and storm Fort Dix. The Fort Dix that is full of lots and lots of Army reservists with way, way more guns. And, like, extensive military training and shit. Yes, thank god these terrorists have been caught and locked up before they could be killed within minutes of deciding to carry out the dumbest fucking terrorist plot we’ve ever heard of.
Say "Amen", somebody!



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Yeay!!!
Trex!
Cheese whiz, how you doing!?
Congratulations, Cassie! Nice!
Hey KO gave WPITW honors to Dick Morris for his rational for staying in Iraq.
It went from, We’re fighting them over there, so we do have to fight them there,
to
So they can kill Americans over there, so they won’t have to kill them here. *g*
cool post TRex
DO I need to tell them we are here?
Greetings, Mr Rex
I hereby declare the “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here” talking point to be officially revoked.
Alright, fess up!!
Who allowed these people to follow them home from Iraq?
Remember, you’re supposed to change cabs at least three times on your way back to the USA.
It’s kinda interesting that the al-Cracker brigade got little attention in MSM even though they had at least one class III weapon and several hundred home-made grenades and launchers etc, etc. Oh, I forgot they only wanted to kill Mexicans.
Hello, TRex!!
Yeah SnarKassandra!
Go TRex!
You missed the cuban “freedom fighter” who got released from prison for blowing up a jet. But since most cubans are Redubyacans, IOKWYAR.
Just today I saw a picture of Rockwell’s “Freedom from Fear” painting. The neocons don’t want us to have freedom from fear. Fear is their favorite tool of manipulation.
I refuse to live in fear. I will not be afraid because somebody tells me to.
My kids gave me a T-shirt that says on the back:
“I’m not scared.
I’m not afraid.
I’m an animal.
And I will eat you if I have to.”
Remember, its somehow Clinton’s fault because they were refugees from Bosnia or Kosovo. That will be the talkpoint.
Evening all. Great post, TRex. I have to say this smells like standard issue Gooper BS (quick look over there! Nothing to see here.). A bit of a replay of those fearsome Miami terrorists or Jose Padilla.
Gotta keep looking for them terrorists. And terrorists gotta have the dark skin.
This one was a REAL bomb. But I don’t think it made too much news.
If you want whackos , I think the Minute and a Half Boys running around the border will do nicely. It is kind of sickening to watch elected officials kiss up to this bunch.
TRex, we could always listen to DickHead Morris:
“It’s ‘Convenient’ To Keep U.S. Troops In Iraq So Terrorists Can Kill Them ‘Around The Corner”
Congrats Cassie – Never grow up!!
Of course this is exactly why terrorist suspects should be allowed to purchase firearms, as the NRA would have us believe.
We all know what kind of fuckery this is: it’s the “right-wing pig-bigots have a wargasm and go on a jihad against jihadis” kind of fuckery.
SnarKassandra @ 20
The MSM NEVER reports on the rightwing white terrorists who are actually the greatest threat to America (unless of course they actually blow up a federal office building).
It’s OMG I’m at 28% shiteous fuckery.
Evening all. TRex, you are so right. They only want us scared of the terrorists they do not approve of.
SnarKassandra @ 20
Oh, of course not. Because blowing up clinics that provide abortion services isn’t really terrorism or murder as far as wingnuts are concerned.
It’s the one-two Dr. punch at 25 and 26!!
SusanD @ 27
Good point.
Suzanne @ 28
Remember to White Wing Whackos are Dubya’s base.
That was a few months after I started pre-school and my mom was scared because they blew up the preschool inside the OK City fed bldg.
AZ Matt @ 30
We will, we will rock you…
I love rationale that if we leave Iraq, the terrorist will follow us home. Do they have boats now? Isn’t that why we have a Navy? How exactly will they follow us home?
Pectopah @ 35
Smuggled in containers through all those ports that are wide open?
Like a puppy?
Pectopah @ 35
It’s a good thing the terrorists only had enough maps to provide to the 9/11 hijackers, or we’d really be up shit creek.
Pectopah @ 35
And then once they get here, beat all that new and wonderful Homeland Security.
Pectopah @ 35
Really they are actually warm and cuddly ppuies that follow everyone home.
Pectopah @ 35
Jet Blue is running a special, damn them!
Lou Costello @ 39
Several drunken, heavily armed rednecks in a pickup truck could do a better job than Homeland Security.
Jesus! I cannot type tonight. Obviously an overdose of final exams. That should be “cuddly puppies”.
Maybe we can use the freshly-released Cuban terrorist in Miami to fight them here.
EvilDrPuma @ 42
No. They would need 3 or 4 pickups.
EvilDrPuma @ 42
But, that is Homeland Security!
This is the great Islamic plot?
Six guys with guns were planning to attack a 50 square mile military base housing 14,000 soldiers?
14,000 U. S. soldiers can’t defend themselves against six would-be jihadists with, apparently, a collective IQ averaging somewhere around 60?
God, we are in trouble, if people can be made to fall for this.
Pectopah @ 24
I waiting to see if the ACLU has anything to say about that. The operative word if suspect….a person on the terror watch list..what is it now > 400,000. It’s a secrete list but we do know if you write bad things about Bush, if you are photographed by the military at a peace march your on it etc.
I was surprised that every blog I read seemed to support denying legal rights to a person on Bush’s terror lists.
SnarKassandra @ 45
No. They would need 3 or 4 pickups.
Spew!
Trex, Trex, Trex! Don’t you understand?
Only the jihadis want to kill white, right thinking men. I mean shit, Sherlock, do you have to have it spelled out for you in words of one syllable?
White men. Right thinking white men. Killed. Maybe.
Like duh.
Carl from L.A. @ 47
HEY! Many army soldiers are a lot smarter than that.
Sorry I am late. Had to move the lap top under the bed.
Did somebody say gee-had? enough!
EvilDrPuma @ 49
Spew!
Is that a good thing?
Carl from L.A. @ 47
What, you’re looking for logic from the bozo in the WH?
Eureka Springs @ 52
Glad you’re here.
*hug*
hi, folks.
This is horrifyingly depressing…
Thought I would share.
TREX
the epitome of the art of wordsmithing.
SnarKassandra @ 20
Cassie – those are the good bombs. Putting those women in their place.
SnarKassandra @ 53
If you’re me, it’s a good thing, because I’m getting my first good laugh all day. If you’re my keyboard, not so good, because iced tea and computer peripherals are not buddies.
By the way, gang, tomorrow night’s Late Nite will be coming from Jane’s house in CT. Did I mention that I’m going up for the weekend?
dakine01 @ 54
No, but a little perspective from the MSM would be nice. Actually to their credit, CBS seemed to express a degree of skepticism when they reported it tonight.
dmac @ 57
the epitome of the art of wordsmithing.
What’s wrong with looking good at the mall?
SWEET! TRex, that is wonderful news.
SnarKassandra @ 53 asks:
Is that a good thing?
Think milk or soda through the nose from laughing too hard and fast. It’s a good thing for you, not for the evil Dr.
Carl from L.A. @ 47
About 20 years ago in Arkansas, two armed men tried to rob eight armed hunters at a deer camp.
TRex @ 60
Yeah, yeah, rub it in that you get to hang out with cool people and I’m stuck at home grading a stack of final exams.
DrDick @ 43
We can read quick type. No problema!
EvilDrPuma @ 66
Ditto!
SusanD @ 16
That is a great shirt. My daughter had that t-shirt when she was 11. She was tiny, the size of a 7-year-old, and the shirt cracked up everyone who saw her wear it into a dance competition.
On the subject of fear, I had people ask me in all seriousness if I had my duct tape and plastic all ready for the attack they knew were coming when we invaded Iraq.
I just shook my head in disbelief.
They all watched Faux News.
I want that shirt!
Do they come in Theropod sizes?
Carl from L.A. @ 47
I was listening to the news as it came in today, and kept thinking that it sounded more and more lame as the information came out.
patrick rex @ 56
You’re right. Bush sends those men and women off to horror as blithely as if he were feeding branches into a woodchipper.
And with damn near the same effect.
DrDick @ 61 says:
That’s to their credit and honestly I’ve seen some more skepticism on some of the web sites.
Other than KO and Countdown, I tend not to watch too much of the corporate owned media, so I’m not up on their daily ration of cr*ptastic gibberish.
Why don’t you call yourself a dinosaur?
OJ, #69, I got that same question-I didn’t know what they were talking about. When they told me, I almost choked. Do what? With what? Surely, you must be high.
If they know what’s good for them.
The plot did not top KO or Scarborough or even Hardball.
KO did fill in some blanks. These guys are as dumb as the original WTC bombers (remember trying to get the rental truck the deposit back). They made a mock video of them doing the deed, then took the video to a video shop to have it transfered to DVD. They were going to dress up as Pizza delivery guys, take on the army base, then melt into the darkness without casualties. The shop owner alerted the authorites.
This morning, at least on CNN, there was a fair amount of circumspection on the part of the reporters about the bona fides of this report. They pointed out the other examples of “terror plots” that were overblown. I have some hope that we won’t be assaulted by a media storm on this one.
SnarKassandra @ 74
“Theropod” is more specific. And sounds more menacing.
RonD @ 75
I believe that little nugget is Tom Ridge’s legacy.
Carl from L.A. @ 47
Did this bunch at least have their own boots?
SnarKassandra @ 20
I asked the tards over at the CDB message board who did it. Post got pulled.
STTP in Ohio @ 81
Little boots?
Steve @ 65
About the same time, two yahoos in Chicago stsked out a bar on the north side which seemed to do a really good business. After two weeks, they decided to jack the place and burst in with sawed off shotguns. Unfortunately, it was a cop bar and everyone in the place (which was packed) was packing. They instantly drew down and half of them opened fire. One of the idiots actually survived to stand trial. This incident made it into a Stephen Segal movie, because Dennis Ferrina was also in it and had been a Chicgo cop. The story is true and I have been in the bar with some cop friends.
Pectopah @ 77
But didn’t they bring it to the DVD copy place a year ago?
dakine01 @ 80
That and the insipid color-coded terror alert system. During my night in the terminal at O’Hare a few weeks back, you can’t imagine how sick and tired I got of the PA announcing every minute that the alert level had been raised to (cue sinister organ music) “ORANGE.”
patrick rex @ 56
it is beyond depressing, and thank you for sharing. You know, I love humor and laughter…….but when you think about what is REALLY going on……well…..not so much.
TRex @ 70
Me, too! Me, too! I could wear it the first day of class and to finals!
TRex @ 60
Fabulous! I bet it’s nice and cool up there with spring flowers still in bloom. If you take a notion some man needs to make her a pie. She has earned it in the last 36 hours. *s*
Guitar Playing Bastard @ 82
That still makes me so sad. I can remember when Charlie was actually a semi-reasonable guy. I met him a couple of times back in the early 70s and he was alright in those days. Such a bummer as we used to say.
SnarKassandra @ 33
Don’t get me started on OKC…Lone nuts can’t plant second and third devices! Direct link to 2.6Meg WMV
TeddySanFran @ 14
Hey, Teddy, still here? Would like to ask you questions about SF off the loop. If you’re interested, you can email prairiesunshine at msn period com
Thanks.
Olbermann was quite rightly dismissive of this Ft Dix Pizza Delivery terror plot, but I was shocked to see all three network newscasts lead with it bigtime. Well, not shocked, but it was unpleasantly confirmatory of my suspicions about BushCo’s need for the bustup of the Jersey Jihadists.
Fascinating how far away they kept AGAG from the pressers for this one, though, isn’t it?
RonD @ 75
I’m in Southern California (behind the Orange Curtain); that’s a long way to lob a rocket, so it seemed especially silly.
TeddySanFran @ 94
I guess there is a silver lining.
Today was one of those days… seemed like my head was in retrograde all day…
anyone else?
IIRC, USA Chris Christie is the same Riechtard that along with the FBI set up a bogus sting on some looney geezer from Gr. Britain, convicted him and put him in prison for a zillion years.
SusanD @ 27
Sweet sum-up, SusanD
dakine01 @ 80
Tom Ridge! I had almost forgotten that name.
Really, duct tape and sheets of plastic are all you need.
Felix Moronia @ 98
You’ll notice that his name wasn’t on Teh List.
Carl from L.A. @ 47
Wonkette’s snark about this is hilarious btw…
Here’s my stupid question: if Homeland Security is basically making up this stuff, can’t they at least come up with better plotlines? I mean… instead of trying to scare us into rethuglicanism, are they now trying to entertain us into compliance?
TeddySanFran @ 94
At my brother’s base either you get pizza from the place there or you have to meet the deliv people at the gate.
SnarKassandra @ 84
Likely, but I think the USA assigned to the case at the time, was busy prosecuting some Democratic Senator from NJ running for re-election, so he was kind of backed up.
*RRRRIIIIIINNNGG!*
And they’re off!
Monica’s Got Immunity is strong out of the gate, followed closely by Rove Can’t Dodge His Subpoena and Gonzo’s Gonna Lie On Thursday…moving to the outside is 6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object passing Pam Does DC…Anna Nichole is falling behind.
TRex @ 60
Oooooh! Faboo!
Love the contrast you make between Actual Terrorists With Ordnance and the friggin’ Gang That Couldn’t Think Straight, by the way.
Just as long as they are white,
They are precious in our sight,
Doesn’t matter who they blow up in this world!
radiofreewill @ 105
707!
Didja notice how the nightly newscasts segued from this story into promotion for the FBI’s “terror crime prevention section,” previously known as “thought crime detection?”
That term is so judgemental.
I KNEW IT!
Man, things must be pretty porous at Homeland Security if David Chase is able to predict the very week they’re gonna find some Jihadists in Jersey…
DrDick @ 88
I think it was one of the No Fear shirts.
radiofreewill @ 105
I love this! Maybe the Queen would like to wager on this race?! On second thought…maybe not.
patrick rex @ 97
Yep – my boss comes into my office at 5:00 and says “Oh I want you to go to the 9:00 am meeting at the hospital tommorrow (miles from where I actually work) because all the work we get at his meeting; you’ll have to do.” Oh my.
OT..Rayne posted this earlier today..
Don’t Strip ESA Protections From Wolves in WY and ID
Target: U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/770149370
The Republicans want to kill most of the wolves in Idaho and Wyoming because they eat a few cows and sheep every ear. Sign the petition..it probably won’t help..but it can’t hurt. When I lived in Jackson Wy..I saw a occasional wolf up North, killing them would be a crime.
Quick! Somebody Google “no fear t-shirts”!
TRex @ 109
And generic, while you are obviously a resplendently feathered and most imposing thunder lizard.
OJ, #100, It was without a doubt the stupidest thing I have heard since the early 80’s, when some Ray-gun admin retard was saying nuclear war was no big deal, because everyone could just dig a hole and protect themselves with dirt. IIRC, the quote was,” With enough shovels, we’ll all be OK.” Then that thing about Vis-Queen and Duct Tape-I thought I was having a flashback.
Zig alert :) beware of quoting comments that quote comments that quote comments.
Yes, it was a No Fear shirt. I just went over to their site and looked around. Apparently they don’t make that one anymore.
thunder lizard is WAY better than therapod.
TeddySanFran @ 94
I heard it unfolding on NPR this morning, while I was stuck in traffic, trying to get into LA. As more info was available they began to talk about how this didn’t sound like much of a plan.
No Fear does have a shirt that would be great for Dim Son.
“Been there, wrecked that”
SnarKassandra @ 120
But less specific (actually just the English translation of dinosaur). Theropods are particularly large and rapacious carnivores.
TSF #108..”Thought crime detection”…somebody please elaborate?
It all depends who your friends are.
LINK
I wasn’t paranoid enough already.
DrDick @ 123
Well, Velociraptor actually wasn’t all that big (what you see in “Jurassic Park” is more of a Deinonychus-sized beast)–but I still wouldn’t want to meet a pack in a dark alley.
SusanD @ 122
Now, that’s funny.
TRex @ 60
hope you get some of that swell PIE
{green with envy}
The investigation of this New Jersey group began 16 or 18 months ago. They were having trouble getting weapons (so the report goes) because of their foreign status. At least until the FBI delivered some functionally disabled assault rifles to them.
May is a good time for new product roll-outs.
EvilDrPuma @ 127
I wouldn’t want to meet a pack on a brightly lit freeway or anywhere else. Custom built killing machines.
SnarKassandra @ 120
Ya, and we could call him Liz for short!!!
dakine01 @ 91
Remember “Long-haired Country Boy”?
I saw CHarlie in ‘76, at Winterland in SF. He was campaigning for Jimmy Carter and told everyone to vote for him.
What happened to Charlie is EXACTLY why I think religion is the bane of human existence.
FYI, I just got news of this in my e-mail this evening:
Interfaith New Sanctuary Movement to Launch
RonD @ 126
but you will be if they keep ignoring you
Does cheeze whiz help soothe TRex’s chapped ass?
Great post. I wish someone would do a poll to see how many people actually believe these “uncovered terror plots” are actual threats. I’m guessing that all of the 28% backwash might not even buy it anymore.
(Speaking of the backwash… I pulled out a recording of the Colbert performance at the 2006 WH Correspondent’s Dinner the other day. My brother, who doesn’t have cable, has never seen Colbert. Not only was he blown away, I was laughing just as hard as I did back when Colbert delivered that smackdown live. Wow, brass balls.)
I am still furious about that terrorist Melanie Morgan appearing on the News Hour….
She threatened a guy and included anyone who might be listening that would dare question US in Iraq..
Disney has invaded PBS with a fascist.
Gunga Djinn @ 130
… does this sound like entrapment?
DrDick @ 131
Exactly. And some creationists seriously believe humans could have shared a planet with these things. (These would be the ones who don’t think the entire fossil record was God committing a little fraud on the eighth day, of course.)
Thanks Cassie! that’s it-off to hide under my bed and wait for the end. Good nite, everybody.
Evening firedogs, I hope all is well. I’m going up to read.
RonD @ 140
I am not ignoring you.
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 133
“Long Haired Country Boy” was our theme song in BG. His was the first band to play the beer bar I frequented back just before the “Uneasy Rider album came out. Two dollar cover cuz he’d backed Dylan. I spent a little time on a break with Charlie and the bar owner in a puff puff pass.
EvilDrPuma @ 139
Do you get a lot of them complaining to you that they do not believe in evolution and learning about it makes their heads hurt? I get about 3-4 a semester in my intro classes. I’m pretty sure that there are many more who do not say anything.
At the first turn!
It’s Monica’s Got Immunity followed closely by Rove Can’t Dodge His Subpoena with Gonzo’s Gonna Lie On Thursday challenging…6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object has closed the gap, leaving Pam Does DC and Anna Nichole two lengths behind…
So it’s these 5 guys against the Army at Ft. Dix….. HAhahahahahaha ahahaha hahaha hahaha. Geez, I would think they could come up with something better than that. I hear the FBI had infiltrated the group, sounds eerily familiar.
opie_jeanne @ 138
Of us, the media, or the six guys?
Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 89
Tomorrow’s Wednesday. How long are your weekends?
dakine01 @ 91
Just think “Uneasy Rider”……his younger self will live forevah.
LOVE that tune…..therefore will indulge myself by quoting– for those not familiar, basically it’s the story of a hippie whose car breaks down in Mississippi and ends up in a “redneck joint called the Dew Drop Inn”;
Just when I thought I’d get out of there with my skin
These five big dudes come strollin in
With some old drunk chick and a fella with green teeth
I was almost to the door when the biggest one
Said, you tip your hat to this lady, son
And when I did all that hair came out from underneath
Well, they all started laughin and I felt kinda sick
And I knew I’d better think of something pretty quick
so I just reached out and kicked old green teeth right in the knees.
He let out a yell that’d curl your hair
but before he could move I grabbed me a chair
Said watch out folks, this is a fairly dangerous man
Well, you may not know it, but this man’s a spy
He’s a undercover agent for the FBI
And he’s been sent down here ta infiltrate the ku klux klan
Would you believe this man has gone as far
As tearing Wallace stickers off the bumper of cars
And he voted for George McGovern for president
He’s a snake in the grass, I tell ya guys
He may look dumb, but that’s just a disguise
He’s a mastermind in the ways of espionage
Yeah, he’s friend of them long haired hippie type pinko fags
Betcha he’s even got a Commie flag
Tacked up on the wall inside of his garage……
There’s more, and it get better.
Sorry, Charlie.
Post has been updated to include the Wonkette gang’s well-spoken snark.
DrDick @ 144
It’s funny, I’ve yet to encounter the problem. I have my answer all ready for them, though: I will not imagine that I can force them to believe anything, but I will imagine that, if they are enrolled in my class, they will damned well learn it. Who knows, if they get it right, they might become the first creationist to actually make a valid argument.
Eureka Springs @ 147?
Of us, the media, or the six guys?
It reminds me of the DeLorean entrapment defense.
That is SO SO SO funny !!!!!! ROFL
RonD @ 124
They were going on and on about how the FBI isn’t just trying to find crimes that have been committed, but crimes that are being planned or conceived. Not many steps to detecting thought crimes, for my taste.
oj@138
That seems to USA Christie’s MO.
Amen, Brother and Hallelujah!
solai @ 148
Um – yup??
Well, this weekend is special. Normally, they are only two days, but for Jane, all things stop as long as they need to.
oddmommy @ 149
Now just wait a minute Jim
You know he’s lyin’
I been livin’ here all mah life
Why I’m a faithful follower of brother John Birch
And I belong to the Antioch Baptist Church
And I ain’t even got a garage
You can call home and ask mah wife…
TRex @ 150
That was some sweet snark, TRex.
TRex @ 158
Is everything OK?
AZ Matt @ 132
Speaking of Liz, has anyone else heard the story that The Simpson’s Matt Groening hired Liz Taylor to say Maggie’s first word (”Daddy”) but after about forty too sexy takes, he got frustrated and she told him to fuck off? Can’t remember where I heard it, but I know I heard it.
Another great post Trex, 93 on the Fuckery Index.
Thanks.
Suzanne @ 160
Gang snark.
They’ll have a little ’splainin’ to do if they go with “thought crimes”. Especially since they tell women complaining about threats from their S.O. “we can’t do anything until he does something”.
EvilDrPuma @ 151
That is actually pretty much what I tell the class the first day when I give them the rap about evolution is the only scientific explanation for how species change and how new species arise (and by the way, no we cannot discuss creationism, ID, or any other superstitious hocus pocus).
Steve @ 114
I am an animal lover, and I signed the petition.
It is the repub population that needs to be “controlled.”
SnarKassandra @ 153
See my post above about the armed robbers and the cop bar. It would have been instantly over and ugly.
TeddySanFran @ 162
I heard that as well. I think it was on the Fox Movie channel where they were doing some highlights of the new movie but may be wrong. But I did hear it within the past couple of days.
Speaking of Liz, has anyone else heard the story that The Simpson’s Matt Groening hired Liz Taylor to say Maggie’s first word (”Daddy”) but after about forty too sexy takes, he got frustrated and she told him to fuck off? Can’t remember where I heard it, but I know I heard it.
Teddy, wasn’t it on KO?
I was sure that this bust was a sign that someone was going to resign today. To me that was the significance of the raid. Was hoping for an announcement regarding Wolfowitz….or Gonzales…..or Cheney…..or Doolitle……or Lewis…..or Rice……………………
Thanks for this post. Very important issue that each one of us needs to get out there to the uninformed…NOW! Please try to educate everyone you know that gets news only from Conglomerate sources about this. The propaganda mill (i.e. The Media) is how the neo-cons have gotten into power. We need shut this thing down.
A few days ago, Shrub had a news conference where he mentioned al-Qaeda around thirty times (heard Randi Rhodes talking about it). It was so bizarre, even for the bizarro-boy king.
Obviously, this has been a coordinated effort. A day later there’s a “big story” about binForgotten’s #2 (or 3, or 5…whatever, lost count) Zawahiri saying he’s wants the Democrat’s bill to be signed by Bush. I actually saw a headline in a “mainstream” outlet that said, “Al Qaeda #2 Supports Dem Plan.” Here’s another article where he mentions Halliburton:
http://www.reuters.com/article…..9520070506
Now, we have the “plot” to attack Fort Dix. Let’s see what the fallout is now that they’ve named people. Does anyone find it strange that 5 of the supposed 9/11 hijackers that are still on the list, are actually alive, some with families and leading productive lives?!?
Pick up the NY Times this morning, and ‘lo and behold! Another strange story about an al-Qaeda wanna-be, but turns out he’s mostly just a talker. But we get a big story about him!
This has been going on for years. We’ve done alot of pushback already, but we’re just getting started. Action!
Nah, everything’s fine. Just a visit. I may attempt to vlog an interview with Kobe.
Heading home.
See you kids in a bit.
Yes, but I LIVE with a Nat’l guard soldier and not a cop. So that is why it is so funny.
I think we better occupy Albania pronto so that no more of these terrrrristsss can follow us home.
-GSD
DrDick says;
“Do you get a lot of them complaining to you that they do not believe in evolution and learning about it makes their heads hurt? I get about 3-4 a semester in my intro classes. I’m pretty sure that there are many more who do not say anything.”
There was a story on NPR awhile back about a strict creationist (The Bishop Usher, 6000 year old type) who got a PhD in paleobiology from a top twenty school. His thesis was something like “A New Classification of Amphibians” btw they went extinct 100 million years ago. He saw no irony in this situation.
Is it me, or does that read like a scene from Dr. Strangelove?
Can’t have a good terrorist attack without FBI-supplied weapons, now can you?
Yes.
Other than the fact that I totally agree w/ bringing up this argument, I’m going to go against the conventional left-wing grain here (of which I am a member) and say that I’m glad the FBI was on top of this and busted it open.
I’m not a “fraidy-cat” but c’mon kids we gotta give props when the shit works. Why spend time questioning every operation ?
(haven’t read any comments yet, just went “knee-jerk”)
I believe it is the Doolittle defense that says distracting actions are taken the day before an anticipated bad news for bush day.
opie_jeanne @ 138
That thought crossed my mind…I mean, they knew about these guys for over 12 months??
opie jeanne- I guess one could add a little tin foil and include the military in the list of folks this could have been intended to alarm.
After all they will need to hate us all when posse comitatus (sp?) is signed away by Bushco in ‘08.
SnarKassandra @ 174
Oh, I know. Every cop in Chicago tells that story. They all love it. But I have to say Wonkette is definitely on mark here. These are clearly the dumbest f**king terrorists since someone taught Jonah Goldberg how to type.
do-si=do @ 180 says:
Saving for a rainy day doncha know…
“Mr. Shah, a jazz musician and martial arts expert, demonstrated the move on the neck of his stand-up bass. “You give them internal bleeding,” he said. “It fills their lungs with blood.”
And I thought Miles Davis had the 1000 yard stare down pat.
-GSD
Moving through the second turn and into the back stretch!
Monica’s Got Immunity has started crying but holds-on to a slim lead over Rove Can’t Dodge His Subpoena – who seems reluctant to mix it up.
Gonzo’s Gonna Lie On Thursday, with 6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object in tow, makes a strong move to the outside in a bid to challenge for the lead.
Pam Does DC is whipping Anna Nichole, who seems to be perking-up.
GSD @ 175
Does Albania have oil?
Suzanne @ 179
So there’s still hope?
Eureka Springs @ 137
Yer f-ing kidding me?!? Melamine Whoregan given legitamacy!?! Anyone who gives to PBS, please stop and explain this is why. Media Matters is becoming more and more crucial by the day.
DrDick @ 166
Hey, if they sign up, you have to suppose it’s because they want to hear it, whether they “believe it” or not (and I doubt evolution gives a zark what they believe).
DrDick @ 182
Oh, I know. Every cop in Chicago tells that story. They all love it. But I have to say Wonkette is definitely on mark here. These are clearly the dumbest f**king terrorists since someone taught Jonah Goldberg how to type.
ROFL regarding Goldberg. Gawd, what an idjut.
opie_jeanne @ 186
I think they have zinc…that’s a mineral.
solai @ 187
Suzanne @ 179
I believe it is the Doolittle defense that says distracting actions are taken the day before an anticipated bad news for bush day.
So there’s still hope?
Doolittle claims his NoVA home was searched the day before Abu was supposed to testify so that it would be a distraction from Abu’s testimony.
There is always hope.
from an article in the Guardian:
EvilDrPuma @ 189
Yeah. Every time this happens, I want to bang my head on the lecture and ask “Why in the name of all that’s unholy did you sign up for a class where you know we are going to study this?!!!
Eureka Springs @ 137
Yes, I am still boiling too! I can’t believe she made it on the show. They may as well have interviewed that crazy guy who crashed military funerals saying they died because gays are in the army. As much credibility!
And Blue Star families??? I had never heard of that. Oh, a little research and voila, a quaint tradition from the Great War resurrected just for 9/11 and afterwards. No offense to authentic Blue Star or Gold Star families, but anything this woman says makes it all COUNTERFEIT.
My family had military members with medals out the wazoo (I am not making this up) and I am APPALLED that this woman is on the air screaming for victory!
Real military people know they are doing a job. Period. They are professionals. IF you say go to Kosovo, they go to Kosovo. If you say, go to Iraq, they go to Iraq. If you say, ok job’s done, I’m sure they would be quite okay with it.
Couple her insult with Patrick Rex’s post at 56 and it is beyond the pale. Military families ought to tell her to just park it.
patrick rex @ 193
I am now FRENCH! Bon Jour
dakine01 @ 159
And my ultra-favorite part:
I guess I shoulda gone ahead and run
But I just couldn’t resist the fun
Of chasin them all just once ’round the parking lot
Well, I had ‘em out there just a stepping and thrashing
Like their heads was on fire and their asses was catching…..
We love ya, young Charlie…..
dakine01 @ 183
Saving for a rainy day doncha know…
Zackly.
DrDick @ 194
And say it that way, too. With the “unholy.” So they can really freak out.
I am supposed to change that to Bon Nuit and Good Night and Buenas Noches.
Bye!
SnarKassandra @ 196
Yeah and they ALL get a whole month of vacation every year.
AZ Matt,
I seem to remember Bush saying something about how we wouldn’t have anything to do with countries who shelter terrorists.
And now we free Carriles?
Did anyone here from Detroit go to the Detroit Economic Club’s meeting today? Their guest speaker was “The Honorable Alberto Gonzales”, and the radio ads said Gonzo would “focus the discussion on Department of Justice initiatives and policies”. I would have loved to have been there, just to ask him a few questions about the DOJs initiatives since he took the helm…
Alas, I had to work. curious if anyone else made it.
I get two :)
SnarKassandra @ 200
Gute Nacht.
I had to post something sort of droll after the big down earlier at #56.
Unfortunately, the French just elected their own A-rab-hatin’ righty, so those long lunches, 35 hour weeks and making “le pont” may go the way of the thunder lizard…
SnarKassandra @ 200
G’night, Cassie. Sweet and insubordinate dreams.
patrick rex @ 206
That’ll learn ‘em to appreciate the left again.
DrDick @ 194
Yeah. Every time this happens, I want to bang my head on the lecture and ask “Why in the name of all that’s unholy did you sign up for a class where you know we are going to study this?!!!
Back in the Dark Ages when I was in college, I took Evolution. I wanted to ask some of my classmates the exact same question, except that I knew the answer: many of them were Bio majors. The department head and several of the other staff members were anti-evolutionists (mind boggling) and this poor teacher spent half of every class apologizing to the non-believing Believers for offending them.
EvilDrPuma @ 208
Well, the fact is that their right wingers are somewhere well to the left of Howie Klein, so they’re not going to lose their unions and paid vacations, but they may lose some of the best stuff…
opie_jeanne @ 209
Back in the Dark Ages when I was in college, I took Evolution. I wanted to ask some of my classmates the exact same question, except that I knew the answer: many of them were Bio majors. The department head and several of the other staff members were anti-evolutionists (mind boggling) and this poor teacher spent half of every class apologizing to the non-believing Believers for offending them.
Jumpin’ Jeebus Christmas! How do these people do it? ALL of modern biology and medicine is grounded in and derives from evolutionary theory. There is simply no way to understand them without an evolutionary framework.
patrick rex @ 210
This is true, and not just of France. It took me a while to realize that in Holland, “right-wing” is nearly synonymous with “anti-immigration.” It sure as hell doesn’t mean what it means here, ’cause there’s no way on God’s earth that the Republicans would run an openly gay presidential candidate.
patrick rex @ 210
That’s true. Here in the US, I’m pretty much left fringe, but anywhere in Europe I would be only slightly left of center (think the unfortunate Ms. Royal).
SusanD @ 165
Only some thoughts are crimes.
Down the back stretch and into the far turn!
Monica’s Got Immunity got distracted by the undraped Venus de Milo statue in turn 3, passed by the wheezing Rove Can’t Dodge His Subpoena, with Gonzo’s Gonna Lie On Thursday and 6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object following right behind.
Pam Does DC holds up a copy of the NYT for Anna Nichole and says ‘wanna take my place?’
landofthefree @ 136
This is one for the history books, and it is even funny in transcript form. I mean, it took real large cajones to deliver that. I thought about how fed up a person would have to be with the establishment to actually do that to their faces!!!
Talk about a surprise attack!
re: Melanie Morgan
DAMN. What rock did that thing crawl out from under? I’ve never seen or heard her before, and all of a sudden POW! Coulter on steroids, on PBS.
Someone needs to cork that thang.
Hey do we know if OKK is OK?
DrDick @ 211
Repeat after me: “We believe in micro-evolution. There is no proof of macro-evolution. Turnips do not change into fish.”
Idiots still haven’t figured out that the difference between micro-evolution and macro-evolution is analytical scale, not qualitatively different phenomena.
EvilDrPuma @ 212
I think that the important word there is “openly.”
I think that what’s happened in France is that the sort of “We’ll support an open society in public but privately vote against the Brown Horde” behavior was what put Sarkozy the Fink in office. They have their own anti-immigrant hysterical press there….
Anyone wonder why The Shooter is leaving his undisclosed crypt for a jaunt through oil country?
US Vice President Dick Cheney leaves Tuesday on a four-country visit of the Middle East, looking to shore up support for Iraq among its neighbors and increase pressure on Iran, US officials say.
Up to no good.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @ 212
This also highlights why it is so important that we yank the political center (or more acurately the perceived center) back hard left. The Repugs have shoved it so far to the right that overt fascists are now acceptable.
DrDick @ 222
Yup.
Gunga Djinn @ 217
I was in shock.
However, I did notice and applaud that Woodruff insisted that both guests say who they represent before speaking.
Spocko’s Brain is where I first learned about Melanie Morgan. She is a right wing shock jock out of KSFO in San Francisco.
Spocko has been successful in getting some of her advertisers to pull their accounts from the station because of her vile, hate-spewing, racist comments. Spocko has joined us in the Late Nite comments many times.
DrDick @ 211
Jumpin’ Jeebus Christmas! How do these people do it? ALL of modern biology and medicine is grounded in and derives from evolutionary theory. There is simply no way to understand them without an evolutionary framework.
I.
Do.
Not.
Know.
This was in 1976, at a California State University with outstanding science and engineering programs. I was startled that science majors.. or anyone attending college could be this blind; I attended church regularly, and I didn’t understand the hysteria this subject raised in these people.
Somehow seems appropriate that James McMurtry’s “We Can’t Make It Here Anymore” is currently playing on my stereo. Great and thoroughly appropriate lyrics.
Europe, and quite a good sized chunk of canada i think. There is a right wing there, and Harper is Bush-lite. But a vast majority are far to the left of him.
I keep an eye on how many times his parliament tells him to stuff it. They’ve done away with quite a few of the nastier ‘home security’ laws that showed up in the 9/11 hysteria, even with him in power.
Sometimes you have to wonder if there is more than one Waxman:LINK
Chairman Waxman Requests Information from Executive Compensation Consultants
Chairman Waxman writes to six leading executive compensation consulting firms seeking information about the services they provide to large U.S. corporations.
GSD @ 221
Madsen says Cheney’s on the Hooker List.
Which Cheney remains the question.
Suzanne @ 231
Bwah! Good thing I didn’t have a glass of water handy.
AZ Matt @ 229
Nothing in the Constitution forbids a member of Congress from cloning himself several times, as long as he only votes once.
opie_jeanne @ 232
Fortunately, I had just swallowed before reading that. Could have been ugly (and expensive) otherwise.
There’s been a spill coming out of turn 3!
Rove Can’t Dodge His Subpoena was screaming ‘don’t touch me!’ as he passed Monica’s Got Immunity, but she got clingy and down they went!
Coming out of the dust cloud and into the final turn, its -
Gonzo’s Gonna Lie On Thursday neck and neck with 6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object, followed by Anna Nichole who is closing with a second wind.
Pam Does DC has pulled-up lame and gone to the trackside Baskins and Robbins concession.
Republican Secretary of State resorts to racist rhetoric in his attempt to block a Democratic bill to install satellite voting locations for the 2007 Gubernatorial and state elections:
http://www.dailykingfish.com/s…..diaryId=74
EvilDrPuma @ 233
I think he has achieved omnipresent and is working on omniscient. Omnipotent comes later.
EvilDrPuma @ 219
… I have two nieces, one at Yale on a full-ride scholarship and the other attending a local Christian college.
*sigh*
The one at the Christian school tries this argument on me all the time.
do-si-do @ 224
I missed that part, but googled her and found that her ‘Move America Forward’ org is a GOP shill operation. Which basically means the taxpayers are paying for her to spew her bile.
Az Matt:
Likely he finds some scarily competant aides and works closely with them. He’s had 6 years to build a good one, after all. *evil grin* And gather targets.
opie_jeanne @ 238
Not surprised. There is clearly a playbook of creationist claims. And everything in it is pure patented crap.
TRex @ 109
Don’t you think it’s impolite to call someone ‘big boned’? I do. Just because he’s a little on the chunky side doesn’t mean you should think less of him. Sure, he’s been on an all-veggie diet, but it just doesn’t help if you’re a carnivore. Sure, the South Beach Diet works for some people, but T might eat the entire beach and an hour later he’s hungry again. What’s a therapod to do?
Go figure.
A Latino immigrant accused of killing over 70 people in a terrorist attack gets himself some judicial slack.
Oh yeah. Anti-Castro Cubans aren’t really Latino or terrorists in winger-world.(Al Jazeera link)
-GSD
Ok, finally finished reading (took me 39min). Have had a wonderful laugh and a shake of the head(PatrickRex@59).
Down the Home Stretch, here they come!
Gonzo’s Gonna Lie On Thursday doesn’t have the legs to match 6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object and slips into second.
It’s 6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object pulling away from the flagging Gonzo’s Gonna Lie On Thursday.
Up comes Anna Nichole, moving smoothly into second to challenge 6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object for the lead – 2 furlongs to go!
EvilDrPuma @ 242
When I point out the patented crap, she reverts to the argument that it doesn’t matter, really, that Jesus’ message is all that matters…. which just annoys me.
Well, heck, if that’s all that matters to her, then why make such a fuss?
The niece at Yale has embraced the idea that “it’s my education, so give it to me, dammit!”
landofthefree @ 203
Isn’t that the same place where Obama spoke yesterday?
Dayam. Tossing $2 ticket on Rove’s Gonna Dodge into the air. Double dayam.
Good night all. The Angels lost *pathos* so I need to watch some Boston Legal with Mr Opie_Jeanne.
Suzanne @ 179
Yes — it’s good we have a name for it now, too.
Gunga Djinn @ 177
Funny, the news didn’t say anything about the FBI providing the guns, the functionally disabled guns.
I wonder why. Damn Liberal press.
Good thing Shooter was protecting the Queen.
Only in the movies.
Amen.
EvilDrPuma @ 242
Here is my take, and I am not sure why THIS is so hard for the fundies to respect:
1) There is a religious way of viewing our history and our understanding of the world. It can teach us life lessons and impact our relations with God.
2) There is a historic/scientific way of viewing our history and our understanding of the world. It can impact our relations with the world around us.
#1 and #2 do not need to match.
Texas Betsy @ 254
That is because for the fundies, there is only ONE way of viewing the world: through a highly selective and bizarre reading of the Bible.
Texas Betsy @ 254
Well, first, a lot of that fits my worldview too. But I can’t say that I see much about any religion’s fundamentalists that has to do with respect. It’s more about control to people with the mindset that makes religion in such a form appealing.
OT..From TPM:
(May 08, 2007 — 11:07 PM EST // link)
Bingo! I think we have our 9th fired US Attorney — and one replaced in short order by one of the Bush DOJ’s prime ‘vote fraud’ scammers.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
Well, it’s that time of night again. Tomorrow I have to slog through more of that pile of finals (fortunately the scheduling gods were smiling on me and most of mine were on Monday). The good news is that I am on track to be done with them by the end of the day on Friday. Whoooo Hoooo! In the mean time, I am going to curl up with the kitties and dream of a world without Republicans.
Attention mods —- having trouble with IE and now using FireFox so I may look like Cassie.
IMHO, my youngest daughter has the right idea. She explains it thusly: Science is the process that man uses to try to find out how God did it. She sees no conflict between religion and science.
Here’s the deal: a few days ago, Helen received step-by-step assistance in providing links. I printed the directions. I’m still having issues; specifically, when the little window opens for me to paste the address in, I’m called to click on “ok” or “cancel.” Well, “cancel” clearly won’t help, but “ok” only prompts a nasty “no address provided,” or some similarly tacky message.
So, knowing it’s too late and, likely, I’m too old, I’ll just tell you: The Washington Post has a story about US Attorney Todd P. Graves’ and how Sen. Bond’s then-counsel — without the senator’s permission — contacted the WH about removing Graves two years ago.
Just keeps getting better — guess the question list for Mr. Gonzales will have to be adjusted slightly so that we can hear a few more “I can’t recall” answers.
Maybe tomorrow I’ll master the link. Sounds like a plan.
TB you are still looking like TB :) I’m not having any problem with a PC running Firefox.
Suzanne @ 260
I entirely agree.
Melanie Morgan!!! Argh!!! Can Somebody, Anybody, SHUT HER UP!!! Sorry, The News Hour, just came on in my neck of the woods(HST)!!! What a B*t*H!!! Evening, fellow travelers!!! :)
Boston Legal was VERY political tonight and got into Gitmo detention and torture a lot.
The writers on that show have as much more more guts than the West Wing had.
Other Pat: When that little window comes up, PASTE the address you want to link and then click on ok. It will them prompt you to type in the name of what you want to give the link, for example, WaPoo article.
DrDick @ 258
sleep well
I think I need some sleep. Good night, all, and be excellent to each other.
EvilDrPuma @ 268
Be excellent to yourself and your family!
G’nite EDP.
Suzanne @ 266
Thanks, Suzanne — I’m disappearing now to give that a try.
Thanks, Suzanne — I’m disappearing now to give that a try.
Just remember the PREVIEW button is your friend. After you have done the little windows bit, preview your work.
Isn’t there a Monty Python skit where dumb-ass mobsters try to shake down the Army?
“Nice tanks you got there. It’d be a shame if something were to ‘happen’ to them, wouldn’t it?”
MarkH @ 252
Think it was on PBS Newshour, just before the Melanie Morgan Meltdown.
It’s coming down to the wire, folks!
Gonzo’s Gonna Lie On Thursday says he’s not going to quit.
6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object says he’s legit, but Anna Nichole says she’s more tha a good celebrity skit!
*poof*
It’s Anna Nichole by a lung(e) over 6 Jihadi Bright Shiny Object and Gonzo’s Gonna Lie On Thursday!
And that about wraps it up here at FDL Downs for tonight, now back to you…
EvilDrPuma @ 263
Me too.
Ok, so I didn’t sign off. Waiting for Mr Opie_Jeanne to get into his jammies so we can watch some tv together.
Elliott @ 273
Yes. Don’t think they made the national press though.
CTuttle @ 264
The desperate cries of a drowning woman. Move along. Nothing to see there.
Just see her frenzy for what it is. The thrashing of a hooked fish. Recognize that and you can begin to sit back and enjoy her pain.
Hi everyone-couldn’t sleep. What’d they try to pull while I was away?
EvilDrPuma @ 223
We can all thank the Clintons with their pantented triangulating three step for a lot of that.
DrDick @ 258
Hey! I still haven’t switched teams… yet.
RonD @ 279
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/
Bingo! I think we have our 9th fired US Attorney — and one replaced in short order by one of the Bush DOJ’s prime ‘vote fraud’ scammers.
As noted earlier, there are a handful of other US Attorneys who resigned in 2006 under what now appear suspicious circumstances, especially given who subsequently replaced them.
OT..Deval Patrick is a really good person. I think if Obama falls short, Deval will be the first African American President.
BOSTON, May 8 — Gov. Deval Patrick on Tuesday unveiled a $1.25 billion proposal intended to help the state maintain its status as a pre-eminent place for stem cell research and other life sciences.
The money would provide grants for university and hospital scientists, establish special research centers to make their work faster and more efficient, and train workers for biotechnology businesses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/us/…..ref=slogin
Suzanne –
Not that this is what you signed up for tonight, but I still have this ornery window that won’t allow me to click on anything — ANYTHING — until I click either “ok” or “cancel.”
Clearly, I’m screwing up a step along the way.
1. Type short phrase for the link.
2. Highlight that phrase.
3. Go to other window and copy the URL.
4. Return to FDL window and click on “link.”
5. New little window opens — (leave computer to help high-schooler with a Catcher in the Rye costume; return to computer)
6. Taunting little window does not allow this user to click on “edit” in order to paste.
7. This user, by now more tired than frustrated, is ready for bed.
8. — thanks.
From the narrow escape file-If we hadn’t won in Nov, and the Repub plan was still just humming along, how screwed we would be- ((((shudder))))
Other Pat @ 284
Play with your right click.
Hi Betsy, how was the concert?
RonD @ 285
Is that like a “what kind of fuckery” question?
Other Pat:
I don’t try to do it via edit. I right click in the space provided and then highlight paste on the menu that pops up. I am on a PC running Windows and Firefox.
RonD @ 287
Very nice. Too long, but very nice. Kids sang beautifully and my son was ever-so-handsome in his tuxedo shirt and bow-tie.
It’s a cousin to the “what kind of fuckery” question-the “how kind of fuckery” question.
You guys are amazing! Thanks.
Wildfire Rages in Los Angeles
Homes were evacuated as hundreds of firefighters battled a fire in sprawling Griffith Park, northwest of downtow
In reading TRex’s post and the thread, it very refreshing to see the obvious skepticism towards this Questionable case!!! Numerous comments pointed out the sheer hilarity of attacking a Mil. Post! What hasn’t been pointed out, so far, is Ft. Dix isn’t even an Active Duty post!!! It was BRAAC’d about ten years ago! It was turned over to the State and Local Govt’s!!! It is still utilized by the NJ ARNG and Army Reserves, but it is no longer AD!!!
Great to hear. Not many things more pure and beautiful than a bunch of kids singing their hearts out.
MarkH @ 265
They have a strong cast and two lead actors with no shame and a helluva lot of guts too. They don’t CARE what the govt thinks. *grins* Plus, it’s comedy. Therefore they can frame it any way they want and manage to sneak it under the ‘radar’.
TRex @ 278
Evening, TRex!!! Excellent post, sorry, I had to vent!!! *g*
TB, that fire is where the City Zoo and Giffith Park Observatory are located. Cookie Jill over at Skippy’s place has a post up about it with links for tracking it via LAFD.
CTuttle, the only angle that would have made sense to me was an attempt to rob the base, to steal weapons. Used to be pretty common. If they were going to try to do what everyone says, well, that’s just plain stupid.
Other Pat @ 284
try this order of your own instructions
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4-A paste url into box
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5very funny
Bushie-gate
ES, you get threatened with any of those tornadoes today?
It worked, Other Pat! Yeah!
RonD @ 299
I totally agree, IIRC, didn’t TSF, mention the robbers in a cop bar analogy!!!
Thanks, you guys, for your help and patience in assisting this techno-challenged — but very appreciative — avid (rabid) pup.
Christopher J. Christie – Bought and paid for, so he needs to deliver.
Here’s a good blog keepin’ tabs on Christie, though nothing yet about today’s events.
opie_jeanne @ 238,
This sounds like the arguments used at a church I went to for a shortish time.
I felt the theology was pretty much fear-based. “If you believe in evolution, you’re a Satanist and will go to Hell. Even Darwin recanted on his death bed!” I heard that said a lot.
That was definitely one church where I felt eyes were upon me….not the Eye of God, either.
Suzanne @ 302
Nope… We Hillbilly kayakers are sure loving the rains though..)
Other Pat, that ties hand in hand with the Josh Marshal TMP post about the 9th attorney.
Other Pat @ 301
Holy unified corrupt parties.
Did Rove do a power point presentation entitled:
How To Destroy American Democracy?
-GSD
I think it was one of the Doc’s, but I have heard similar stories all my life. Natural Selection applied to would-be criminals.
Suzanne @ 298
Oh no. I didn’t know about that fire.. been watching the minor one in Orange County.
From Other Pat’s link:
OK, GSD, big shiny link..can’t resist…must read…”pop”
Other Pat @ 301
APPLAUSE!
Army Commander Apologizes To Afghans For Civilian Deaths: “This Is A Terrible, Terrible Mistake”
TexBetsy #316: A horrible situation all the way around. At least the brigade commander had the decency to stand up and apologize. Small comfort, but an act of integrity.
Thanks again, Suzanne, Texas Betsy, Eureka Springs and GSD.
Now that I’ve accomplished tomorrow’s goal, I’m gonna have to come up with a new one. ..
got it: Pretending to work while refreshing comments on FDL. Well, that one’s not hardly new.
. . we’ll sleep on it. night, all.
g’nite other pat sleep well
Former PM Ehud Barak calls for current PM Olmert to step down in Israel.
Olmert is on Wolfowitz and Gonzales time.
-GSD
(Teddy, you meringue?)
Trex I’m wondering if you’re aware of why Guitar_Playing_Bastard gave the snort above which I’m rather convinced was aimed straight at Jane. I’m sure it’s why I’m still hearing *crickets* on what I asked him earlier on why he thinks it’s ok or acceptable to ridicule Jane & Christy for hours and hours last night and half of today on one thread, relentlessly, on their own blog and then think everything is all hunky dory to mingle with more snide remarks, or that us oldtimer women are just going to forget the whole fucking sordid sexist mess we were subjected to. Here’s a nutshell:
Brave Dickless Wonder comes back with this, said directly to Jane:
Bwahahahaa
So tell us all again on an actual current thread (not one that was ready to expire that you thought only Jane was watching
battling and bitchslapping) and clarify for us please: You are going to get -rougher- with whom exactly and with what army? I’d say threatening Jane isn’t the smartest fucking thing you’ve done lately, it certainly wasn’t the wisest.Texas Betsy @ 316
Much, much more like this please.
this is killing me. I can’t quite recall, but the timing of the raid on the kung fu cultists in FL was mighty conspicuous. Anyone recall what was afoot that the WH needed a giant smoke bomb to escape the public at the time? Same thing with these guys as with the FL folks – they had them infiltrated and pinned down with the ability to expose them at any time over a considerable duration for maximum need or effect.
Farm-raised fish were fed contaminated material
muzzy, you are right, there was something suspicious in the timing of the fl arrests. i can’t remember what it was…
Muzzy @ 323
Someone should construct a Master Time Line for the entire Bush Administration.
Houston taxi drivers protest security rules
Frustrated local taxi drivers descended on City Hall today, protesting security requirements at Houston’s airports that they say threaten their business.
A few hundred drivers, toting handmade signs and chanting demands for “justice,” marched around the reflecting pool at 901 Bagby, before filing inside with plans to vent their concerns in front of City Council.
The group’s chief issue, leaders said, is a recent requirement that drivers picking up passengers at Bush Intercontinental and Hobby airports have new photo identification badges.
“It violates the constitutional rights of the cab drivers in that in enacts a very, very strenuous background check,” said Deric Muhammad of the local Ministry of Justice for the Million More Movement, a group helping represent the drivers. “Many of them are being put out of business and not being allowed to work at the airport system for something they may have done in the past.”
Airport officials say everyone else doing business in their facilities is required to wear a badge and undergo criminal background checks.
“We believe that security is something everyone needs to be focused on in this day and age,” said Mark Mancuso, a deputy director at the city’s Aviation Department.
House backs Bible courses in public schools
AUSTIN — The Texas House voted overwhelmingly Tuesday for a bill that would require school districts to offer elective courses that study the Bible as literature and a historical document.
The bill by Rep. Warren Chisum, R-Pampa, would require school districts to make the course available if 10 students request it. The House gave the bill tentative approval in a 145-0 vote.
Among provisions added by the House Education Committee was one to require approved textbooks for the course. Chisum unsuccessfully tried to restore the bill to its original form, in which the Bible itself would have served as the text.
Some House members feared that would encourage use of the Bible for promoting religion.
At present, at least 25 of the state’s 1,039 public school districts offer a course about the Bible.
r.g.ratcliffe@chron.com
OK. That’s it for me. Going to try for some sleep.
Suzanne @ 325
I think it had something to do with Gonzo..
Late to the thread folks, watching people being evacuated from Los Feliz area in LA due to big fire in Griffith Park.
Shez, thanks for the heads up. I’ll alert the mods.
HEY MODS!! DID YOU SEE SHEZZY’S COMMENT UP THERE?
g’nite, TB. pain free sleep wishes.
Copper thieves target cellphone towers
An exact number of thefts was unavailable, but an official reports that numerous copper thefts have been reported by telecom companies, and individual contractors.
NOW I am going to bed.
Good nite TexBetsy. Best of all tomorrows.
Suzanne @ 333
Thanks suzanne
I think i’m going to try this again too. Goodnite everybody, and thanks for all you do.
My late grandfather trained for World War I at Fort Dix. He went to France as a first leiutenant. He saw what a Global War really looked like. I wonder what he would think of Bush’s “Global War on Terror.” Not much, probably.
TRex @ 332
I was wondering when someone would comment!!!
leiutenantlieutenantRonD @ 337
Nite, RonD & TB!!!
I didn’t know my grandfather well…he served in WWII was among the first to fly in and see Hiroshima…he had a nervous breakdown shortly after…took decades to recover, if he ever really did.
neurophius @ 338
I did my Basic there awhile back, but not that far back!!! ;)
Texas Betsy @ 328
They tried that at my son’s HS last year. According to ET, Jr. the kids who signed up were all Goths, atheists and agnostics who were looking to tear the teacher apart for a whole year. They cancelled the class just before the school year. He signed up. Ended up taking weight training instead.
ET – That’s hysterical!! You don’t happen to know any parents that might have suggested the student maneuver, do you? *s*
ET, I saw this on TPM:
(May 08, 2007 — 01:15 PM EST // link)
Feds’ Alaskan corruption investigation bears down on Sen. Ted Stevens’ (R-AK) son, Alaska state senator Ben Stevens.
Have you discussed this here tonight?
Tenet is on TDS here on the West Coast.
I had a strange dream last night. I dreamed about rabbits. Passive-aggressive lop eared rabbits the size of Shetland ponies. In the dream I had to get them all to the same place at the same time and was not having a lot of luck. In the morning light the symbology was pretty clear, but it sucks when events get so bad that they invade your dreams.
I’m still puzzling over the lop eared part though.
neurophius @ 344
Just back from turning in grades at college and an orchestra rehearsal in Anchorage. Yeah, I’m aware that Ben Stevens’ days of freedom are numbered. Hopefully, his father’s efforts to use Federal funds to create fisheries projects as sole fiefs of young Ben are going to gain more light now that the dam has broken.
When I took The Bible as Literature in college, it was a ferociously in-depth and propaganda-free course. I remember in about the second week of class, when we were studying the Hebrew Torah, Nevi’im, and Ketuvim, this poor little Jesus-loving Sorority Girl was, like, “Gawd, y’all! Wheyun are we gon’ start studying the BAH-ble?”
“This is the Bible,” said the professor, “Just not the parts they told you that you could read. There’s a lot more Bible than you get in the King James.”
I hope these school courses will be similar.
ot: a huge debt of gratitude to the helicopter pilots risking their lives to do night water drops on the griffith park fire in l.a.
i’ve spent the last 2 hours at the top of my neighborhood watching the fire’s progress. the pilots are still doing drops and so far are saving homes and – most especially – saving Griffith Park Observatory, just re-opened after 4 years of renovation.
fire is still going strong, and it can all change in an instant…
Regarding the suspicious timing of the FL crew getting the trap door sprung on them last June, I found this thread at Americablog. Plenty of references to the opportunistic timeliness of the FL raid, but I feel like there was something else not discussed in the comments. References include Rove getting back in the saddle after eluding Fitz, Iraq situation deteriorating going into midterms, Abramoff, and some other vague suspicions.
check it : http://www.americablog.com/200…..nient.html
buenos sueos
rosalind, oh, that is terrible. my prayers that there is no loss of life from this horrific fire.
Alright, gang. Bedtime for dinos. Big day, tomorrow.
See you all soon.
Good night.
TRex @ 348
Yeah. Texas is a big place with a very diverse population. Who knows what will happen from school to school. I’d love to take the course from your state’s Rep. Lynn Westmoreland.
Knowledge of the biblical underpinnings to so much in Western literature is disappearing almost as fast as W bumper stickers.
g/nite big guy. don’t forget to duck when ya get in the plane tomorrow. sleep well and enjoy the packing :)
I’m duly scared. I’m buying a tank and a howitzer section.
Richard Clarke spoke at a local college last night and was signing books afterwards. I asked him if he thought Tenet deserved all the criticism he was getting, he laughed and said “No one deserves all the criticism they get.” Ok, but is some of it fair? He said that the way Tenet was explaining it, he wasn’t doing himself any favors.
Since this during the book signing and we had to keep moving, I didn’t ask him to elaborate any more than that. They were friends, so I didn’t expect him to slam Tenet or say anything harsh.
Eureka Springs @ 343
It just happened, actually.
ET – trying to catch up with TPM’s AK reporting… Does Alice Fisher have her paws in this affair? VECO or Son of Stevens?
I sincerely hope Guitar_Playing_BASTARD starts to take his meds again.
Or stops the binge drinking.
Eureka Springs @ 358
Yes she does, but my theory on how she’s playing her cards is being dissed right and left. Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel she’s highly involved in the timings of many recent and upcoming indictments of GOP criminals, hoping to heighten the contrast between her efficiency and the hopeless failure of her dead man walking boss.
Jacqrat, the folks backstage are dealing with it. Personal attacks are not permitted.
ET, do you think Alice Fisher has set her sights on Abu’s job?
Wow, no wonder the thread died so early. I usually get here at the tail end, or beginning of Late Late Nite, but it doesn’t usually get rough.
It’s the internet, it’ll happen. Bless you mods, for all you do.
Suzanne @ 362
The other day I thought she had her sights on it, but she’s probably looking for a GOP senate or house seat opening. I’m not sure what she might be able to declare as her home state or house district.
I gotta give this thread props. Not a single busted margin and I was able to watch Tenet on TDS. Only one open link tag and one open italics tag tonight.
(furiously knocking on wood in order to try to prevent a jinx)
You guys have done good tonight. Thank you.
I have returned in order to bust some margins.
HI Suzanne!
hey tb how’s texas tonight?
Suzanne @ 367
Not bad. How’s by you?
You guys have little idea of how a military base works, do you?
The guards will have guns, and there’ll be somebody they can call to mobilize and stop the terrorists…but not before they could kill a significant number of people. Its not like soldiers walk around base with weapons and ammo issued at the ready. Most of the weapons are safely locked up in heavily secured arms rooms, and ammo is kept in a completely separate area.
So by the time the guards at the gate know what’s what, and back up has been called, six armed men could do a decent amount of damage. It still amounts to pretty much a suicide mission, but then that’s not so unusual for these idiots, is it?
L @ 369
Many soldiers are armed on base.
Suzanne is this a zoo warning?
tb, we’ve been in the mid-80’s during the day. currently sitting at a very comfortable 58 degrees at the little cottage by the creek in the redwoods.
i gather ok kiddo had some tornadoes earlier today. was that too far north of you or where you in for some of those thunderstorms yourself?
TB, I was just over at the LATimes site and they said the zoo was evacuated due to the fire.
Suzanne @ 372
This is a LARGE state. He’s probably 300 miles north. Perhaps more.
My zoo question had to do with whether comment #369 might elicit a no-feeding request.
I have no current knowledge of the preparedness of our stateside military bases, TB.
One thing I did learn in my years in law enforcement was that one can never be too prepared for any type of disaster, whether natural or man-made.
different kind of question
my son installed a program on windows XP that starts up whenever ANYONE logs in to the computer. how can i change it so it doesn’t start itself every time under my account?
Oh crap, that one has something to do with the preference settings – which I have no knowledge of since I am the only one who uses this system.
we all use all 3 comps. gets complicated sometimes.
going to try to get more sleep.
sleep well suzanne and all lurkers
Suzanne @ 376
And the quicker you go through the “aw shit!” stuff afterward, the better. Train, train, train – it seldom goes exactly right anyway.
My motto when I was a public safety trainer – It’s all hypothetical until it happens.
Ain’t that the truth, ET. It all boils down to training in nasty situations, whether involved in a shooting or a building collapse. Training is the autopilot one draws on.
That’s it for me tonight, folks. G’nite all.
{{{{Suzanne the awesomest mod}}}}
TRex @ 60
Awesome! Welcome back to CT, TRex; just heard from Jane, glad to hear she’s doing well.
CTB,
Been out on the Sound in your boat lately?
Suzanne @ 383
Funny you should mention that Suz…why is this not news?
E. Howard Hunt makes deathbed confession tape on JFK/LBJ released by Saint John Hunt, his son, posted a clip.
Lou Costello @ 388
uh, move along folks, a messy spill here on aisle K.
Nice one huh Ed*T…It’s all coming out.
SusanD @ 37
Barney’s in big strife then.
How does the conspiracy to assasinate JFK tie in with the conspiracy to invade Ft. Dix, N.J. and destroy Greensburg, Ks with a coconspirator, Act of God?
Maybe Bush will have the answers when he comes to Kansas today for his photo op and promises larded with lies.
Good morning, pups. The French can bask in MoDo’s attention to their electoral process today, and Thomas Friedman writes on Israel and Hezbollah.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and because a) I’m running late and b) I wanted a treat there are Krispy Kremes. Enjoy.
‘Morning, FirePups. Time to take the little guy to school, but I couldn’t resist commenting.
There was a particularly nasty domestic terror plot that was thwarted but never completely unwound a few years ago, buried in local press for the most part. Involved some nice white American people and cans of cyanide.
Mornin’ all!
Cheney in Baghdad, bomb in Arbil kills 14
That Alabama Mexican thing is really scary and I hadn’t heard about it before. It’s doubly scary because it’s the direct result of Republican Anti-Immigration scare tactics to try to pass racist, unethical and unhelpful anti-immigration laws. If you preach hate from the top, it panders to the worst. This is really an awful story.
You guys don’t wake up early enough.
Good morning!
morning everyone
Georgesimian @ 398
I’m too sleepy to understand if you are kidding.
{{{{{{{egregious}}}}}}}}
And hey, folks, I’m listening to Scarborough on MSNBC telling Christopher Hitchens how well his book is doing on Amazon. After Hitchens just got done telling him before the break.
Can the msnbc early a.m. lineup suck enough?
I’m sorry, stickin’ to my guns, I miss Imus!
What’s up?
I knew I could count on the …..Well the people at this hate America website to come up with some George Bush plot behind this arrest. Not even credit to law enforcement. Such a pity.
Texas Betsy @ 377
See the start button in your lower left corner. Right click there and select “Explore.”
you’ll see the Start Menu directory. You can look at your own, you can also look at something like:
C:Documents and SettingsAll UsersStart Menu
See if you can’t take the icon for that offending program (it’s just a shortcut) and just put it in your son’s directory only.
Prairie Sunshine @ 402
me,too. Despite his ugly side, his show was good. They should have made him clean it up, but left him on. He was an advocate for many liberal causes. And, believe me, I hate that remark that got him fired. I’d watch his interviews then switch channels for all his nonsense. And, I miss those interviews.
yolo @ 404
Ummmm, I’d comment but they ask us not to feed the trolls. Please, moderators, let me feed him. Please,pretty please.
solai @ 407
Maybe it’s that Melanie Morgan bitch who was calling an Iraq vet anti-american last night.
Outrage in a can, indeed:
solai — don’t waste your time and effort. Obviously somebody does not have the reading comprehension to understand the point of the post. (Maybe a graduate of RegentU?)
solai @ 406: The ones who should have been fired are the CBS honchos who wrote into his contract that he do and say exactly what he was doing.
And as his attorney pointed out, they had the 7-delay button.
’twas their cynical driving down of the substance side of his show by writing into his contract he continue the edgy crap.
But how do Redstone and Moonves fire themselves, eh?
CNN reporting massive wildfires in Hollywood Hills and LA’s Griffith Park.
Going to be a long, hot summer.
What happened to Imus, Bill Maher and the Dixie Chicks has made me re-think the whole ‘boycott advertisers’ strategy. People are celebrating the Ann Coulter boycott, and I understand that, but such boycotts are so easily used for harm that I’m thinking it’s not a good idea. As in “I disagree w/ everything you say but will fight to death your right to say it” The problem is that I don’t want to be the only one playing by the rules.
Here’s how Iraqis feel about us invading them based on lies, in order to unleash regional forces to tear apart what had been a nation that looked to the West and not to religion as the model for development.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsSIokfbuGg
Must get ready for work. Have a nice day, everyone.
solai — the right has been using the boycott approach for a very long time, epitomized by the Parents Television Council (launched by Brent Bozell). The ability to shake down an entire network for a single bare breast was the work of PTC mustering more than 90,000 angry parents to the phones and threatening their advertisers after attacking the network and FCC.
We are only beginning to clue in to the fact that the rules have changed since the 1980’s; if the networks only respond to outrage directed not only to them but to advertisers, then we need to learn to play by those rules.
thought I’d take a short walk down memory lane just to see who was USA Miami at the time of the 7 terra suspects were arrested -
well that and that Florida may be an electoral battleground in 08
- nominated and then confirmed by Senate 6/9/06 – 3 months after change in Patriot Act by-passing Senate (13 days before arrests)
- served as Asst AG in Civil Rights Div
- served on NLRB
- clerked under Alito
well now, I feel better
DOJ link
China detains managers from suspect firms
Companies exported contaminated wheat gluten, rice protein
New thread upstairs…
New Thread upstairs.
OK, we will all be safer if everyone has guns. Lots of guns.
BECAUSE the bad guys with guns know (being rational thinkers and all) that they will be shot down like dogs.
So these bad guys were going to attack a whole freaking Army base??? Didn’t they get the NRA memo?
L @ 369
Thanks for setting that straight! We should not have assumed that a defense installation is prepared to defend. Weapons & ammo need to be secured, just as our fighter-interceptors were on 9/11. Who knows what could happen if they weren’t.
[sorry, even in deep EPU, there are some things that need to be said.]
they must have followed ahead
Since most people who write here hate the military as well as their country. It is no suprise you do not know anything about a military base. And the troll thing is kind of childish. Yet it is expected. Such a pity.
It’s a conspiracy! Conceived by Karl Rove, the true power behind Chimpy Bushitler! There are no terrorists, or at least none from those fair lands in the Middle East! Only rightwing instigators of trouble and mass mayhem perpetuated in an evil plot for world domination!
What all the people here need to do is hold hands and sing “We are the People”. That will show those would be evil doers that their nefarious plans will come to no good.
wronwright @ 424
NOW THAT’S FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She let Hillary Rodham Clinton, a noted WAR HAWK, off the hook. And you all approve? What’s up with that?
Well, I must be banned, the final act of a chickehshit chickenhawk Clinton supporter.
Besta luck, weaklings.
yolo at 423 — Oh, really? And your evidence for that would be what? We have a number of veterans who write here — both on the front page and in the comments. I have friends and family currently serving in uniform — who have done multiple tours in both Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact, members of my family have proudly worn our nation’s uniform for more thn two centuries — which I have written about here on numerous occasions. We also have folks who post here regularly with friends and family currently serving, and we have done drives to send stuff to military personnel as well as to help out military family in desperate need for assistance.
So, unless and until you decide to get your facts straight, I suggest your keep your mouth shut lest you continue to prove yourself to be an idiot.
Idiot is not a very nice name. I am sorry I am very familiar withe the writers and hacks you link to and quote from. The liberals in the US do not like the military and are taught in college that the military is bad,religion is worse and Howard Zinn actually knows something about history. I hope what you say about your actions and the military are true. I do know the things you write about and respond too are nothing but completely biased BDS. I think if you do not mind I will come here more often. And unlike you and most liberals I will not call people names nor try to suppress thoughts.
TRex @ 348
The kids who took the Bible as Literature class at my college all swore the teacher was an atheist; I can’t remember if the teacher announced this or they just thought so because all the good little Fundies had to work their tails off to pass it. I got a look at one of the tests and it was not one that you could BS your way through.