We don't expect the men and women we support to necessarily support the same position we do on every single vote. But even in the short time Chris Carney has been in Congress, he has moved further and further away from all the other Blue America endorsees who won seats.
In terms of supporting progressive issues in general, he has established himself at the bottom of the barrel among the freshmen, along with candidates we chose not to endorse, like Jason Altmire (PA), Rahm Emanuel's Heath Shuler (NC), Nick Lampson (TX) and Brad Ellsworth (IN). Some of us were disappointed but none of the writers at DownWithTyranny, Firedoglake or Crooks & Liars chose to castigate Carney. And then something happened that has made us decide to speak up. We realized Chris Carney lied to us.
In the course of last year's midterms I had several relaxed and pleasant conversations with candidate Carney and, unlike other netroots groups, Blue America endorsed him. We encouraged our members to volunteer for his campaign and to help raise consciousness in PA-10 about Don "The Choker" Sherwood... and to donate money to the campaign. 722 of our members made donations to Carney's campaign. We even made a 30 second spot sung by Rickie Lee Jones to help focus PA-10 voters on the issues at hand. And we were overjoyed when he won, convincingly, on election night.
When he wanted our support he told us he favors equality for the GLBT community, something he also made clear to the folks at Project Vote Smart when he checked the little box that indicates he would like to "Require that crimes based on gender, sexual orientation, and disability be prosecuted as federal hate crimes." So weren't we in for a surprise a few days ago when Congressman Carney joined 13 of the most die-hard reactionary Democrats in the House -- near-Republicans who almost always support a reactionary social agenda -- to vote against the Hate Crimes bill. The bill passed 237-180 and all but 14 Democrats supported... well, supported exactly what Carney promised in his campaign he would support, "that crimes based on gender, sexual orientation, and disability be prosecuted as federal hate crimes." I felt betrayed -- like I had been kicked in the stomach.
Based on my research and interview with candidate Carney, Blue America had endorsed him and hundreds of our members had donated effort and money to his campaign. Some of these donors are members of the GLBT community and others have friends and family who are part of that community and others just like to think that the candidates they contribute to will support equality as a core value. Chris Carney let us down, violently.
I requested an opportunity to speak with him and went back and forth with his office a few times until they finally sent me this e-mail:
Hi Howie, I have a short statement for you that I hope will be sufficient. This statement has been issued exclusively to you. Please let me know that you received it. Thanks.Congressman Carney has not wavered from his original position of equality. Treating people the same is one of his core values, creating separate constitutional classes detracts from that goal. This was overarching legislation that created too many classes of people, and Congressman Carney could not support it.
This was a difficult decision and some of our supporters will disagree. As always, Congressman Carney voted with what he saw to be the best interests of Pennsylvania's 10th District.
I explained that sending me the Republican Party talking points -- which have long and routinely been used by the party of hatred and bigotry to try to please their rabidly homophobic base while covering their asses -- is not satisfactory.
So what do I want from Congressman Carney? Well, I'd like him to publicly apologize for a vote that encourages and enables the bigots and haters and I'd like him to return the 722 contributions he accepted from Blue America members. I have had dozens of complaints from members already and one (TeddySanFran) has sent Congressman Carney a letter, copying me, requesting a refund:
Dear Congressman Carney:Apparently, we had a misunderstanding with regard to your support for equal rights for gay Americans when you sought Don Sherwood's seat last year. I supported your campaign, through BlueAmerica on the advice of Howie Klein of DownWithTyranny.com.
Now that you have voted, with some of the most reactionary Democrats in the House of Representatives, against the Hate Crimes Bill, I have reconsidered my previous support of your campaign. I would like to have my contributions returned, please. I am disabled and on a fixed income. I can only support candidates who support gay rights and, more importantly, keep their word to me and to those I trust to evaluate candidates.
I have provided my contribution information below and would appreciate your sending a check as soon as possible, as there are candidates who share my values who need my support. Thank you very much for your attention to this matter.
Blue America doesn't ask much of our prospective endorsees. On GLBT issues, for example, we don't ask them to promise to support a gay marriage bill; we just ask them if they will fight for gay equality, even if they have to exhibit some leadership in a tough environment. If they can't do that, we may still root for them to beat a much worse Republican, but we don't raise money for them. We expect the candidates we endorse and raise money for to support a woman's right to choice, to support serious campaign finance reform, to favor serious proposals to end the occupation of Iraq, to support gay equality-- and, like I said, to be willing to exercise leadership on difficult issues. I mean, sure we want candidates who are for the minimum wage and who oppose the dismantling of Social Security, but those should be the easy issues for Democrats.
Yesterday I joined 3 or 4 other bloggers on a conference call with DCCC chairman, Chris Van Hollen. He was waxing eloquently about the importance of the D-Trip's Frontline Program when I asked him a simple question about faithless incumbents. I wanted to know if he felt it was kosher for the DCCC to ask unsuspecting Democratic contributors to give to this program not knowing that their hard earned dollars would be going to Democrats like Jim Marshall (GA) and John Barrow (GA) who voted with the Republicans to sustain Bush's veto of the Iraq spending bill and like freshman Chris Carney (PA) who joined Republicans to vote against the Hate Crimes legislation last week. Chairman Van Hollen graciously suggested that it is up to the netroots to inform Democrats about where these congressmen stand on these issues.
Consider yourselves informed.
(Note: Howie has this diaried up on Kos. If you're a Kossak please go hit the "recommend" button and help get some attention for this, it is not okay to make promises to raise money and then forget about them -- JH)
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Stop hypocrisy! (Go Howie)
No need to ask us or any blue America donors for forgiveness, Howie. Last year, you did more for establishing a new vetting process for progressive candidates than any non-career political organizer I can think of. They ALL couldn’t possibly turn out OK.
OK?
Chairman Van Hollen graciously suggested that it is up to the netroots to inform Democrats about where these congressmen stand on these issues.
The dismissiveness just blows my mind. Rahm couldn’t have done better himself.
Thanks, Howie. I’m going over to Kos right now.
Give ‘em Hell Howie! And let Mr Carney know that liberals have some pretty good memories after we’ve been lied to.
Sometimes, we… through no fault of our own, misjudge. But we get up and fight sgain another day. Political betrayal of trust is an awful thing. I feel bitterness toward a Democratic candidate for president in 2008. A candidate who not so long ago I would have walked on live coals for. I was fooled. But I am not a fool.
Howie, I was not here yet when all this occurred, but I commend you for taking responsibility, telling us clearly the status of your correspondence with the congressman, and for your integrity.
Somewhat OT — The bill also has provisions for hate crimes against the disabled. Wish that got coverage also.
Texas Betsy @ 7
And, of course, seniors and the military, which the Republicans were really gung-ho for… until the Democrats added them.
Howie, I’ll contribute anytime to your recommendations. You went out of your way to present the best candidates you could; Congressman Carney is the one at fault for lying to those he took money from.
It takes a strong and character-filled person to apologize, and an even more amazing person to apologize for the bad position another party put him in.
Congressman Carney, you should be ashamed of yourself and your actions. I’ll be thrilled to write a check to the progressive opponent that will be unseating you in the next election.
-S
Ed*ard Teller @ 2
amen.
howie - this is exactly why i trust you…. your good judgement, openess and willingness to rethink when new info comes in. thank you.
The perfect example for me of bing fooled by a Democrat is Joe Lieberman. Hard lesson to learn.
I support Mr. Klein.
Howie, I know this is a disappointment but try not to beat yourself up. The guy is a fuckwad, he lied, and if nothing else, we can take this as a lesson learned and perhaps be a bit more vigilant about who we support, and a little more demanding on the front end.
Think of it this way, now you don’t have to waste any money on him in ‘08, we can find someone else, a challenger against a repuke, who will better use the money.
It sucks but if we learn, it’s not in vain.
Voting in PA is always a matter of holding your nose.
Eli @ 8
Eli,
What was the story with the military and seniors? I saw that the ammendment was defeated on a “near party line vote” but the article did not go into any more detail than that.
Keep up the great work Howie.
dakine01 @ 5
Umm, not in every case.
not your fault, Howie. keep up the great work!
Howie,
This is very calssy of you.
You got lied to, you got punked, you are the victim here not the victimizer.
While I’m not a fan of Democrats eating their own, I think there is some merit to publicizing acts by “faithless incumbents” as you call them.
A so called Deemocrat who won’t vote like a democrat, is just taking up a seat a real democrat could be occupying.
I realize it’s nt nearly as simple or clear cut as that, but conceptually, it resonates.
Checking in for a minute. It’s a disappointment, but you guys have done some great work. It’s always important to keep hope alive.
first, let me admit that i haven’t read the hate crimes bill. i’m going to go find it in a minute and see what it’s about, i just want to express my reservations here first.
i am 100% in favor of upholding equal protection before the law; i am also kindly disposed to policies that actively support real parity - affirmative action, the e.r.a., etc; and am against those that seek to exclude a class of people from protection under the law. if someone could help me understand how a hate crimes law is in fact the right way to bring about equality, i would be receptive and much obliged. it doesn’t seem fundamentally sound, though, to me. i see a great deal of what goes on in this country as motivated by a kind of hatred of the poor and disenfranchised in general, yet we do not guarantee court appointed council to the indigent from the perspective that it is hateful to try them without council. does this make sense?
Carney is obviously a Bushie-in-training. Smoke him out and make him admit he’s one.
He’s in now and his seat is safe in 2008 so he don’t give a damn.
tw3k @ 15
I was critical of Blue America backing Joe Sestak, but have since come to regard Sestak’s service in a positive light. And Weldon is gone!
I suppose it shouldn’t surprise me that so many folks out there who criticize the Hate Crimes Act don’t seem to have bothered to read it.
For one thing, hate crime laws don’t criminalize hate speech, they simply add an additional charge (and possible additional punishment) to “violent crime motivated by bias”.
For another thing, such laws are inevitably worded such that they equally apply to minority and majority citizens subjected to bias-driven crimes. That is to say, if someone is attacked for being white, or straight, or a Christian, that too is properly considered a hate crime.
(And if someone then wants to say — and I’ve seen this — “yeah, but but but … this helps minorities more ’cause they’re attacked more”, all I need to do is say, “Yup, that’s correct. And …?”)
Always important to mention John Barrow at a time like this.
Thanks Howie, This betrayal slipped by me up until now.
Lines must be drawn and betrayal must be punished.
No regrets.. we helped change the seat once, we can do it again…)
What’s next?
What did Carney have to gain by opposing this bill? Are far right bigots a large component of his constituency?
Conservative districts usually breed conservative voting records. Don’t know much about this one- but it harbored a gooper previously- so it may be pretty conservative.
redX @ 24
How safe is his seat? Who says his seat is safe? As safe as Tauscher in the CA-10? Safer?
The Blue Dogs are as safe as WE let them be. Don’t forget, 2008 has primaries, too.
oddmommy @ 29
it’s nuts. he was elected while promising support for this type of legislation… so, it doesn’t make any sense for him to argue (now) that his vote represents his constituency.
redX @ 24
Why? There’s no way a challenger can’t be found in the next 12 months?
I don’t believe it.
Thanks for sharing Howie’s remarkable post Jane. I saw this on Kos and wholeheartedly agree it deserves wide attention. Sadly, in my livid state I stupidly hit the disagree vote link and of course cannot undo my careless error not recommending the post.
Aggghhhhh - heartfelt apologies and hopefully the pro Howie comment I left will count more favorably then my inept rushing to hit the wrong recommended button. ;~(
Eli @ 3
Yeah, silly me, thinking it was incumbent on a candidate(no pun intended) to state his positions clearly and honestly. No, it’s our job to know what he’s thinking.
He must have thought you meant Tammy Bruce kind of gay people who are happy to sacrifice their own rights for the greater good of George Bush
He joins a long line of distinguished liars such as Mary Matalin who told the Lincoln Logs in 2000 that George Bush would probably support gay marriage after all she did.
Ed*ard Teller @ 25
3rd and 5th here, both R strongholds
falasafa @ 22
Nope. This is a complete red herring.
(((newspaperbrat)))) awwww
Not your fault Howie, your batting average is still pretty high…
katherine graham cracker @ 36
When do Republics not lie? You know they’re lying about the surge review in the fall. It’s clear that if you are not willing to lie, you are not welcome in any capacity in the Republic Party.
Twisted Martini @ 40
Oh, no, it’s not Howie’s fault in the slightest. As the saying should go: “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me a thousand times, shame on you a thousand times, for you are only destroying yourself.”
Howie, just one suggestion: Video of campaign promises (”I approve this message” kinda thing) before the check is drawn.
This news certainly doesn’t diminish my willingness to donate to Blue America supported candidates in the future.
OT- I might be mistaken, but isn’t RNC chair mike duncan supposed to be talking to Big Hank today? Wonder when we might get a nugget from that one.
Eureka Springs @ 39
You’re too kind dear ES - and thanks for the hug cause I’m soooo mad at myself and as always your compassion in the face of carelessness proves comforting. Hugs right back at cha!
EvilDrPuma @ 42
Amen.
looseheadprop @ 20
I think it’s significant that he came on FDL, lied to people to get their money and then went off and did something else. I think if we let this slip, say it’s okay then we’re setting ourselves up to let it happen again.
With Blue America we’re trying to build a community fundraising aparatus that supports progressive candidates. You can’t pretend to be one just to get our $$$ and then go off and turn in to a Blue Dog and think there will be no consequences, or everyone will be taking big bucks from MBNA once they get into office.
Howie, this post is exactly why BlueAmerica, and not the DLC/DLCC, is the organization I trust to help me make decisions about electoral contributions and campaign work.
My, he’s got those strategic negotiating skills down cold. I’m sure that works really well–for the relationship$ that matter.
BlueAmerica: the anti-thug.
Maybe Carney was just afraid of Gay-Bashing Bashing!
“I think it’s significant that he came on FDL, lied to people to get their money and then went off and did something else. I think if we let this slip, say it’s okay then we’re setting ourselves up to let it happen again.”
Jane’s got it here, pups. We have to do something.
Jane Hamsher @ 47–
Exactly. I don’t think any of us are naive enough to think we’ll never call it wrong, or that all of the politicians we support will always honor the promises that got them elected. But if we don’t deliver consequences when someone tries to use us like this, we might as well give our time, money, and passion to the DLC.
Consequences. My new favorite word.
retirin’ in five @ 50
Agreed. In many jurisdictions, this is called “fraud,” but apparently some politicians feel that it’s okay for them to do it.
oddmommy @ 29
Perhaps Congressman Carney is actually a closeted bigot who just mouthed the appropriate words at the appropriate time… All the while thinking of the GLBT community as less than human.
I’ve made a note to myself to write him a handwritten letter tonight expressing disgust at his contemptible and bigot-supportive behavior.
A man, let alone a “leader” who lies, straight-faced, while hiding his true nature as a bigot or an enabler of bigots and racists is beyond low. He’s worthy of scorn and contempt.
And Howie… One out of what, 35? I’ll take that batting average any day!
oh sweet jesus Howie - my yet to be born grandkids will owe you their thanks for all you have done to date - I am certain it will only sharpen your radar in the future
I am up for hearing and hopefully participating in any “consequences”
and shouldn’t we be out looking for a disabled gay veteran to run against this little puke ? *g*
Oooo, that’s harsh, Howie. Are you sure this isn’t a case of a person from a particularly conservative district getting cover from his Democratic colleagues? Or maybe he *did* think the bill was too inclusive. Mayeb he would have been more comfortable with more narrow language.
Having not read the legislation, I can’t say what he might have objected to. But I do know that however decisive his victory last fall, he comes from a very conservative part of the country. You’re talkin’ big time evangelicals there not to mention Christian sects like the Moravians and Mennonites. This is getting into Monica Goodling country, know what I mean? I guarantee you that the Republicans would have beaten his vote like a giant drum if he had voted for it.
Hey Nate…PEACE brother! Doolittle in jail yet? *wink
I don’t know….
Maybe I’m being naive here. We want candidates and representatives who think about policy before blind loyalty don’t we? Is it not possible to disagree about this piece of legislation and still support the rights of the GLBT community? I think there is room for disagreement between friends. We should examine his entire record, not simply one vote before we toss him to the wolves.
Badwater @ 41
Yes, I think the “surge review” is a cheap trick to get Dems back in line and a CYA for re-election. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know the “review” has already been written and the evidence is already been constructed. All while they are whining about “political gameplaying”. Thanks for caring.
I’ll say it again to the bushies: Stop manipulating me!
Gah.
DLCDNC.DLCCDCCC. I do actually know that.retirin’ in five @ 50
Another thing you never want to have happen is for the competition or some opposition camp to be the first ones to point out the snub to the donators. By coming out and bringing this to our attention before someone else can call anyone out, you only strenghen your credibility and proof of caring.
Lou Costello @ 49
Indeed! And maybe his exposure as garden variety weasel like most Blue Dog dems whose alliegance is unto himself first and foremost. Thanks to Howie’s leadership and innate integrity I hope and trust such Blue Dogs will think twice before seeking Blue America consideration in the future.
Sigh. It’s OK Howie, we all get fooled some of the time.
Apparently there’s not even one G/L/B/T citizen in all of PA-10, nor the parent, sibling, child or friend of a G/L/B/T person living in Carney’s district who would benefit from the protection this bill offered.
I don’t recall if I contributed to Carney thru FDL, but I know I did contribute to him.
I understand that not every Democratic legislator can be convinced/pressured in accepting full gay marriage, but surely something as simple as protecting GLBT people from hate crimes should be a no-brainer for any good Democrat.
Come on gang, let’s make sure Carney knows that it’s not nice to tick off foks who helped you win that seat in the first place!
ny nick @ 57
Looks like we’re in the minority on this one. I worry about things like this fracturing a fragile coalition. It is reminiscent of the single issue politics that Markos lamented. In the end, the bill passed and Carney won’t be singled out in his very conservative district for it. Who knows if he might have voted for a different bill? I doubt that he is a bigot. Most likely he’s just a pol.
The “September Review” has 2 purposes:
1) Stop the Murtha ‘Two month plan’ before it catches on.
2) We’ll be heading into Iran by then.
How do you prepare for another war without
looking like you’re preparing for another war?
Send them to the ME and turn right instead of left.
portia -
then please explain Murtha; a socially conservative guy from an equally conservative district voting for it
Hi Howie –
I think the real lesson here is that following up on “our” candidates is critically important. If they don’t follow through on their promises once they are in office, then we know to support someone else next time (hint hint — know any good candidates we could support against Carney?).
So from me, you will receive only thanks for the work you have done to vet candidates for us. And if they lie to you that’s their fault, not yours. And of course when we refuse to support them next time, that’s their fault, too…
Howie, thanks for a great post. No apology necessary.
Lou,
and some of us believe it’s true purpose is to provide cover for Repubs to put down the Chimp and slowly back away before 08 gets going in earnest -
p.s. Atrios says I’m a fool, we’ll see
portia.vz @ 55
Perhaps, but he could have said something like… I know my constituents overwhelmingly want me to vote this way even though I strongly disagree..
Hi Howie, I have a short statement for you that I hope will be sufficient. This statement has been issued exclusively to you. Please let us know that you received it. Thanks.
While Congressman Carney really enjoyed all of the contributions from your Blue America pac and the other little silly progressive groups out there, he had his fingers crossed when you all spoke with him. Hell, he’ll say anything for a buck. Did you really expect that he would keep his word? HAHAHA!
(Not your fault, Howie.)
I’d like to read the legislation; can anyone provide a link?
portia.vz @ 55
Before the election, when Carney filled out that survey for Project Vote Smart (link in the post above), he didn’t feel like this would have completely sunk him. Why did he say one thing before the election, and operate differently afterwards?
I don’t think it’s because of the specifics of the bill. After I read that post-vote statement issued to Howie, I can’t understand why Carney would have told PVS he supports hate crimes legislation last year. Something smells here, and I don’t think it’s Howie.
One last thing: There are few Christian groups with stronger credentials on peace and human rights than the Mennonites and Moravians. I know a fair number of folks in each group, and while in some matters they are quite conservative, more than a few of them would be upset with Carney’s position opposing this legislation.
portia.vz and ny nick: I don’t think any of this outrage would be happening if Carney had been up front about the realities of his district. He could have said that he wouldn’t be able to support this kind of bill and still get elected. I’m betting most of us would be just fine with that. At least then we could make an informed decision about whether we wanted to support the guy *knowing* that he couldn’t vote for such a bill.
It’s not *just* the bigotry, it’s the lying.
JF @ 16
Eli @ 8
Texas Betsy @ 7
Somewhat OT — The bill also has provisions for hate crimes against the disabled. Wish that got coverage also.
And, of course, seniors and the military, which the Republicans were really gung-ho for… until the Democrats added them.
Eli,
What was the story with the military and seniors? I saw that the ammendment was defeated on a “near party line vote” but the article did not go into any more detail than that.
Hopefully someone not on a Treo can elaborate, but IIRC, the Republicans claimed to oppose the bill because it didn’t include seniors or soldiers as protected groups. Democrats said Okay, we’ll add ‘em, and the Republicans voted against it anyway. Much to everyone’s surprise, I’m sure.
Mod note: Zig freed for the treo impaired.
Sounds as if the sucker lied- and then tried to brush Howie off with a weasel e-mail when confronted. Bad character and bad politics. He should at least have called and dealt honestly with the issue- that was chicken shit.
He should not be forgiven- but we should also be aware that if you put a politician in a conservative district- he will begin to look rather conservative- that’s the way the damned thing works. Otherwise he/she won’t be re-elected.
I don’t like his vote, but remember, he voted for Nancy Pelosi for speaker, and his opponent would have voted for John Boehner. So Blue America did its job. Don’t ever regret electing a Dem over a Republican.
Just work to put a better Dem in via the primaries.
portia.vz @ 63
As highly as I would put the issue of hate crimes legistlation, that’s not what I see as the problem here. It’s that Carney said one thing before the election, then acted in a completely contradictory way after he won.
When I looked at the Project Vote Smart survey, I found myself asking one question: are there other “convenient” answers here?
I expected more integrity from a candidate who ran on an “integrity” platform.
Folks, the makeup of Carney’s district isn’t the issue — it’s the same district he won in 2006. He knew this bill was coming up this year, and in 2006 he checked the box on the survey saying he’d support the bill. He also assured Howie in 2006 that he’d support our rights and support this bill.
Howie did not misjudge.
Carney lied.
Carney took our money under false pretense.
Carney owes us our money back.
He’s welcome to represent his district.
He’s welcome to change his mind.
He’s not welcome to take our money under false pretense.
I’ve only got so much money to give to candidates, and they must meet strict standards: Howie’s. If candidates are gonna lie to Howie and not get called on it, what’s the point of having Blue America at all?
Electing Democrats to create a majority is well and good, but there’s plenty of places for lying, fraudulent Democrats to go and get their money. Blue America is not one of those places.
I want my money back.
I want Blue America’s integrity back.
cbl @ 68
You can see that with the GOP
circlejerkdebate the other day and Lott and Boner looking for ‘Timetables’ already. They’re heading south (pun intended) and they know it.Glenn @ 76
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No one vets candidates better than Howie Klein
Just so that candidates don’t make a habit of punking the netroots, I feel that some example should be made of this @sshole.
However, other than supporting the pants off of whoever runs against him in the ‘08 primary, and possibly following TeddySanFran’s example of asking for our money back, I’m out of ideas.
portia.vz @ 55
I beg to differ, comparing us to Monica Goodling is apples and oranges. It is against the law to discriminate against job applicants because of their party affiliation. While it is the job of every citizen in a democracy to hold their elected officials accountable. If they lie to us to gain our support and then do something other than what they promised, it is our responsibility to remove them from office.
Yeah, I’ll echo the “weasel” sentiments. It’s not so much that he voted against the bill, but the fact that he took our money under false pretenses. “Hey, I can get all this netroots money and support, and all I have to do is answer a few questions the right way? Awesome!”
I have a feeling that future Blue America candidates in red districts are going to find themselves getting grilled a little extra when they visit here. Be sure to tell ‘em who to thank.
TSF @ 78 Word(s).
I’ve got limited intellect. I’ve got even less time. But I can spare a few sheckles in this the BushCo economy to deliver a message. We need, if you will, “The Howie Fund,” to deal with this kind of betrayal.
Portia at 63–
I’m going to point out, with respect, that Markos positioned himself squarely in the old, familiar “You women and minorities need to shut up and get us elected and we’ll get to your agenda after that–eventually” tradition. Which, frankly, hasn’t done much for women and minorities in the last 40 years. It’s a mug’s game, in fact.
The charge of single-issue politics is a red herring, imo. As someone pointed out during the debate about equal pay as a fitting issue for the Hilary Clinton guest appearance, every issue connects to every other issue on the progressive agenda. But beyond that, when a guy I supported because he said he’ll fight for me and mine turns out to be a liar, he doesn’t get a pass. No way.
That’s pretty clear, and it makes him a liar based on his email to Howie.
Howie, Thank you for your integrity. The reason he gave in his letter of explanation is beyond lame (and shows a very corrupted way of thinking)
The Constitution was written by a bunch of white guy slave owners..and has been extended and fine tuned. (why its lasted over 200 yrs) it allows for tweeking, a fine aspect of it,indeed . It works if we work it so to speak.
Ensuring the complete inclusion of * WE” the people into our Constitution, which then is honed with laws,to enable the implementation of inclusion and protection. Our Civil Rights. This country has been dominated by white guys for way too long but i digress.
WE the people means everyone and HATE is not a family value. Our families are rainbows. They include women, married or single mothers, somebody’s daughter or son, the disabled, the eldely, the young, workers, tax payers, recipients of social services. people with insurance , people with or without health. People with handicaps to a some degree and some in perfect health.
-the peeps they work for US. To govern us away from the mob mentality and to increased well being of ALL the people. The little guy, not the Corporte Giants. And look out for OUR interests and tax dollars…Our needs from a good government.
And as for the criminal code , it too evolves. Pre Meditation in murder for example..NOT an a minor part of any mandatory sentencing laws and guidelines. NOT all crimes are Equal. etc. The FBI says one in six crimes/murders are Hate Motivated.
YES he should apologize and give back the money. He lied to an important constituency - not a mere “interest group” Thank you for bringing this to our attention..And standing UP.
i want to write this Carney, fellow and ask him what he was thinking and why did he lie ? Earnestly. Just my 2.5 cents
PP
What kind of extra grilling would have worked here, though, really? What are we asking Howie to do that he didn’t do here?
Carney checked a box.
Carney talked the talk.
When the vote came, he bailed on us.
His reasoning mirrors reich-wing talking points.
We deserve a refund.
Good job, Howie. Looks like Carney may be a one-term congressperson almost like Katherine Harris.
And it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy .
TSF, Thank goodness you showed up! I really wanted to hear your thoughts.
One little issue with your points. All others points are spot on, imo.
Blue Americas integrity remains intact due to this quick heartfelt response, imo. If someone is lied to and at that point in time there is little or no evidence to suspect it’s a lie, I don’t see how that in and of itself mars integrity..
I have to confess that one fear that I have is supporting and donating to a candidate that I believe is a real Democrat, only to find out that they are a wolf in sheeps clothing. There is nothing to prevent it. All they have to do is lie. Maybe they will be thrown out of office in the next election, or maybe not.
Do we have a Joe LIEberman in the making?
What kind of extra grilling would have worked here, though, really? What are we asking Howie to do that he didn’t do here?
I’m not saying it’ll work; just predicting that the next blue-candidate-in-red-district who is a guest here is going to get some pointed “We got punk’d before, how do we know you’re for real?” questions.
Again, not saying that that will be either fair or effective, just making a prediction.
Thank you, Howie, for the follow-through in keeping track of performance vs promises.
Admitting when things go wrong is something the Bush administration cannot seem to bring themselves to do. That’s one of their greatest failings, and one of the clearest differences between them and those such as yourself.
You can’t be expected to vouch for the guaranteed honesty and true moral fiber of all the Blue America candidates. Rather, we expect and trust in your best judgement. That’s all we ask.
Thankyou for your honesty and candor.
Maybe, if I could ask one small favor, I would like to request, by way of penance on your part, s’more indications of how well Sen. Sherrod Brown is measuring up, even though some Blue America contributors lost faith in him for awhile during the recent elections.
Carry on, stalwart fella! ;->
yea, chin up brother. welcome to politics. it happens.
TeddySanFran @ 87
And Howie deserves an on the record public apology from Carney for starters. Is Carney’s contact info already posted somewhere today.If not I’ll be oh so happy to dig in and post it in the comments.
1,510 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Peterr:
Bless your heart, your response to portia.vz and ny nick was elegant, I wish I could be so gracious when takin’ down folks who would give away the game to win a single battle. There is a point at which progressives hafta learn ta seize the moment and stop bein’ afraid of those “very conservative district(s)”. There is a reason that districts (north of the Mason-Dixon Line) are “very conservative” and it is usually that the liberals are scared to death to pick a fight. It is necessary to advance progressive ideas and candidates in “very conservative” districts in order to prepare the ground for moments like 2008 is shapin’ up ta be. When progressive candidates and ideas are given legitimacy in conservative areas, it makes it possible to elect a progressive when the voters are recoverin’ from 8 years of fascist ineptitude.
Anyways, the hate crimes vote is a fundamental, it exposes more about the politician’s real values than the nature of his/her district. Human rights ain’t negotiable!
KEEP THE FAITH, THEY DON’T HAVE ANYWHERE TA LAND NOW!!
There are many progressive reasons to worry about bills like this one, which are often bad laws no matter good their intentions. It is not clear that you want to expand federal criminal jurisdiction this way. It is not clear that the intended beneficiaries receive any help. It is not clear that the criminal law is more just when it treats certain motives and classes of victims unlike others. In fact, many people who study these things — including some progressive legal scholars and lawyers — worry that it will backfire terribly. I haven’t read this bill, but an intelligent discussion should not take it for granted that a law of this nature deserves such unquestioning support that we accuse a man who votes against it of betraying his promise.
Here’s the email that I just sent to DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen. On www.dccc.org, click “About DCCC” on the homepage to get the dropdown menu with “Contact Us/”
Dear Congressman Van Hollen:
I am an active Democrat in Massachusetts who was very happy when you became Chair of the DCCC. I am very sorry to have to write now about reported comments of yours on the recent vote of Representative Chris Carney (D - Pa) against the Hate Crimes Bill.
As a former federal prosecutor, I never like to see the prosecution have to prove up an extra element — in this case, the mental element of hate — to get a conviction. Yet state and local law too often fail to bring to justice those perpetrating hate-driven assaults on and murders of gays and other minorities, as well as other damaging conduct that would have been covered by that bill.
Congressman Carney campaigned on a platform of equal rights for all Americans. He voted against the Hate Crimes Bill.
Of a conference call you had yesterday with Howie Klein and several other bloggers, Klein reports (www.firedoglake.com, 9 May 2007) the following:
“I wanted to know if he felt it was kosher for the DCCC to ask unsuspecting Democratic contributors to give to this program not knowing that their hard earned dollars would be going to Democrats like Jim Marshall (GA) and John Barrow (GA) who voted with the Republicans to sustain Bush’s veto of the Iraq spending bill and like freshman Chris Carney (PA) who joined Republicans to vote against the Hate Crimes legislation last week. Chairman Van Hollen graciously suggested that it is up to the netroots to inform Democrats about where these congressmen stand on these issues.”
Chairman Van Hollen, “caveat contributor” is not enough.
If the DCCC holds out a candidate as honest, and asks for our money to support him or her, then that candidate had jolly well better be honest.
I’ve given occasionally to the DCCC. That my money would support the campaign of a Member of Congress who votes against the rights of gays etc. is not acceptable.
Thanks for frankly letting me know that I’m better advised to choose my candidates and contribute to them directly rather than through the DCCC.
Sincerely,
Eli @ 91