I see the wingnut reverence for Nathan Bedford Forrest rears its head again. Think Progress has the video. From Roll Call:
On Monday, Rep. Ted Poe took to the House floor to discuss foreign policy matters. To make a point, the Texas Republican invoked the words of Civil War Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest: “Git thar fustest with the mostest.”
The Carpetbagger says:
Poe’s spokesperson told Roll Call, “The reference to Forrest was used in an historical context comparing the request to Congress for support of the Confederate troops to the request that is being made today by our Generals in Iraq.”
Now I'm no civil war historian but I don't think that Forrest, a Confederate general, ever made a request to "Congress" for trooop support because things were a bit strained at the moment, as I recall.
Nathan Bedford Forrest is a figure still revered throughout the south. His roadside statue in Brentwood, Tennessee (above), executed by shall we say a less than gifted artist, somehow captures the spirit of the man who was born poor and became exceptionally wealthy as a Memphis slave trader before the war (the statue frightens my young cousin Ben every time he drives by).
The thing Forrest was most famous for at the end of the civil war was his role as the Butcher of Fort Pillow. Before the battle, according to Union officer Captain W.A. Goodman who bore a note from Forrest to General Chalmers, Forrest agreed to treat all Union troops as prisoners of war if they agreed to surrender. Said Goodman:
When the note was handed to me, there was some discussion about it among the officers present, and it was asked whether it was intended to include the negro soldiers as well as the white; to which both General Forrest and General Chalmers replied, that is was so intended.
Chalmers did not agree to surrender and Forrest attacked. Said Sergeant Achilles V. Clark of the Confederate Twentieth Tennessee:
The poor deluded negroes would run up to our men fall upon their knees and with uplifted hands scream for mercy but they were ordered to their feet and then shot down. The white men fared but little better. Their fort turned out to be a great slaughter pen. Blood, human blood stood about in pools and brains could have been gathered up in any quantity. I with several others tried to stop the butchery and one time had partially succeeded but Gen. Forrest ordered them shot down like dogs, and the carnage continued.
Accounts vary but several have black Union soldiers being buried alive and nailed to boards and tortured before they died. The total number is also in dispute, but one Forest trooper, W.R. Dryer, said that "the fort was defended by about 450 blacks and 250 whites. We captured about 40 Blacks & 100 Whites and killed the remainder."
Forrest's report, filed three days after the battle was over, said he hoped it would "demonstrate to the Northern people that negro soldiers cannot cope with Southerners."
Forrest used the butchery of Fort Pillow to justify further killings of black soldiers throughout the war. Adopting typical racist victimization posture, he wrote to the Federal Commander in Memphis, Washburn that he had heard reports "that all the negro troops stationed in Memphis took an oath on their knees, in the presence of Major-General Hurlbut and other officers of your army, to avenge Fort Pillow, and that they would show my troops no quarter." He went on to tell Washburn that he had conducted all his wartime operations "on civilized principles," and proceeded to use the "oath" (which Washburn confirmed they had taken) as an excuse for further slaughter. He really had no choice, you see.
Never mind that Poe is a flaming idiot and Forrest never uttered the quote in question with regard to requesting funding or other (Forrest apparently said some version of this when asked about his success on several occasions, but the cracker talk seems to have been inserted by enterprising journalists after the war). A southern congressman uttering an approving quote from Nathan Bedford Forrest, who went on to become the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan and was largely responsible due to his reputation throughout the South for growing its ranks exponentially, is completely unacceptable.
(All quotes in this post taken from the book Nathan Bedford Forrest by Jack Hurst. Photo from RoadsideAmerica.com.)
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I seem to recall that Forrest’s post Civil War claim to fame was as a key founder of the Ku Klux Klan. Interesting fella for a Republican to quote.
sheesh, that’s none too subtle of a dog-whistle to the cracker crowd…
Of course, I do not usually gossip…
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wait! are you telling me that statue is not photoshopped ?!?!?
Hey, Jane, this is OT — ;) — but I thought of you this a.m. When checking in on MSNBC, I saw Larry Elder (ugh) discussing, of all things, pay inequality. Gloria Allred was on the phone and did a good job describing the inequity and the realities of the discrimination. (Elder, no shock, was a buffoon, but at least he gave it national TV & radio time.)
So, hey, it’s not just HRC & you & *some* of us at the lake who value the discussion!
Peace, and thanks.
Such an ugly statute for such an ugly man.
cbl @ 6
Nope. The photo does not do it justice, either. It is probably the most spectacularly ugly work of art I have ever laid eyes upon. In its own way it is a hideous masterpiece.
lotsa honks for this one…
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I have seen better sculpting artwork in the nearest McDonald’s playground.
Why are there so few rightwingers with artistic talent?
-GSD
invoking kkk founders. repugs, they must be so proud.
Great post, Jane!
That is one funny looking statue.
I’m somewhat embarrassed to admit that my mother named a cat for Forrest, because it was born a day or so prior to its litter mates and using the “quote” as the reason. I was not fully aware of Forrest’s history at the time or would have raised at least some objection. We wound having to put the cat down after it had attacked first a cousin, them my parents over a T’giving weekend. Maybe it was Forrest reincarnated.
GSD @ 11
we’ve answered this before, i think.
artists are generators of creativity, the think-for-yourselfism essence that authoritarians recoil at.
GSD @ 11
GSD, what so ever do you mean? Don’t you recall the beautiful sculpture of a pregnant Britney Spears? Now, that was art.
(ugh, I need a shower after saying that)
I still can’t understand why so many military bases are named after Confederate generals. Fort Bragg, Fort Benning, Fort Hood — major bases, all named after failed Confederate generals who were, in essence, traitors.
This kind of goes with the piece Glen Greenwald has up today, about how neocons excuse themselves and each other when they betray the nation’s secrets, but are very dismissive of anyone else’s concerns about due process.
Somehow it’s seen as honorable to have taken up arms against your country if you did it in the service of slavery, in the service of authoritarian, anti-democratic, paternalistic domination. Honorable enough to have a base named after you by the same army you took up arms against.
But those who criticize an illegal war we were lied into are traitors. Go figure.
Somewhat fitting that the revisionist history epic Forrest Gump, opens with a big tee-hee about how the General represents nothing more than people going a little crazy now and then before proceeding to bash the dirty hippies.
kaleidescope @ 14
they were all Dix.
My heros? Steven Colbert and Jon Stewart.
Sunlight @ 3
Well, the Republics seem determined to become a small, regional, southern party. I hope they achieve that goal soon.
Oh, dear. That statue. I recall thinking when it went up that it looked like it was meant to be the centerpiece of a KKK miniature golf course. I don;t recall that any of my Confederate ancestors turned over in their graves as a result of that thought, either.
As for Poe–well, getting things straight requires critical thought. Seriously, how long has it been since the average Republican could manage that party trick?
We’ll just call it ‘Katrina Redux’ ~ White House Blames Gov. Sebelius For National Guard Shortages GOP-SOP
Chertoff just said something weird on CSPAN about privacy I think (I just caught the tail end) something like, people have to be “unaculturated” to understand that they don’t own their own information…I want to hear what he actually said, but the “unaculturated” word was telling.
Racism exists in all regions of this nation. It is true however, that more than a few racists and bigots are more coy, refined and subtle in their pronouncements and implementation of this philosophy, and in promoting this defect in their seemingly inherent profile.
Nola Sue @ 7
Yes and then there’s this.
Gee - that horse looks like something Atrios would award Pony Boy when Bush’s approval rating hits a new low. Yikes!
I don’t know how you caught this, Jane, but it is so revelatory.
I have never been south of the Mason Dixon line because of a visceral feeling of utter creepiness that falls upon me when I contemplate it. People reassure me, but there is something preternatural about the disgust I feel.
I ask myself why I should have these feelings 140 years after the end of the Civil War.
Well, it is clear that there are people whose universe is a mirror image of my own: frozen in the Confederacy. For them too, these brutal generals live.
I cannot say how repulsed I am at this account.
Lou Costello @ 23
GOP = SOB
just sayin’
Mornin’ Jane (at least here in HOT LA)…
…trooop support?
Now, as for content, while I agree that this is unacceptable, are you, um, surprised?
I suppose that those who would like to defend Ted Poe would say that he is too ignorant to be a bigot but that he is trying. I think that just as Poe romanticizes the Confederacy, we romanticize the Congress. One of the principal reasons that we are in our current mess is that the Congress is made up of some of the most venal and bone-achingly stupid people on the planet. I will stop here because I do not wish to be accused of exaggeration.
I contacted his office in DC to ask if Rep. Poe considered Nathan Bedford Forrest a personal hero in light of his history as an early leader of the KKK. I was advised that Nathan Bedford Forrest was not involved with the KKK and I should “google” him and it would verify that fact. I did, and the first link (civilwar.com) not only verified his involvement with the KKK, but his actions at Fort Pillow in massacring Union troops (mainly black)and his accumulation of wealth as a slave trader. I faxed this information to his office and am awaiting his reply. I also let them know video of his floor speech was linked to by the Huffington Post so he could not cry it was taken out of context.
Does anyone still doubt the R in Republican is for Racist?
I think this just plays to his base: Will racist role hurt potential 2008 candidate Thompson?
LS @ 24
unaculturated = brainwashed
watch the Commander Guy start firin’ the catapult
Does that make Fitz Sherman?
Lou Costello @ 31
It plays to people who are too stupid to distinguish between an actor and his role or between fantasy and reality.
Badwater @ 21
At which point, Nixon’s “southern strategy” will be fully and completely realized.
That statue looks like an action figure from a claymation movie!! What’s that movie, Toy “something”…
Lou Costello @ 23
Those people are such scum.
Why’s that guy on the horse wearin a skirt?
Jeff Koons ?
and yeah Jane, was hoping you caught Ms Allred beat back the ‘partial birth abortion crap’ as a “politicized term” this morning
Fern @ 34
Like I said…His GOP/Coulter/Limpbaugh/Bigot BASE!
And Bill Maher.
spurious @ 39
Give the surface a little prick and there lurks hatred of brown and black people, hatred of anyone who may need help, hatred of women, hatred of other. And it is a matter of little pricks.
Thanks for spotlighting this Jane…great work, as always.
I remember last summer being astounded to hear that George Allen had named his only son Forrest. Of course that was before I learned more truths about “Macaca” himself.
My friends who live in VA were always too embarassed to talk openly and honestly about their Governor/Senator. Reminds me of my growing years in NC and the ignominious representation of beloved state by Jesse Helms.
Re; above comments about the South. There are racists and jerks everywhere…plenty of them here in Gotham. I remember my grammy in rural NC saying about such people “honey, he just doesn’t know any better”. Then she’d proceed to talk about how people can and should learn and that it’s up to the rest of us to make sure that happens.
and Bill Moyers
These ‘white are supreme’ groups are active in virually every state in the union. And then there’s the John Birch Society, among other groups. These guys are everywhere.
I’ve lived in the Matanuska-Susitna Borough in Alaska for 24 years now. It is an area where a lot of oilfield workers who came to Alaska from the deep South have relocated. During those years, through teaching, coaching, participation in scouting and so on, I’ve gotten to know about ten kids named Forrest. All were named after the Confederate general and co-founder of the KKK. A few are adults now. Only one has apparently changed his name. To Bob. Imagine saddling a kid with your demented dream of white superiority, haughtiness and cruelty for the person’s entire life.
Alison @ 28
Please realize that there are many of us who were born and raised in the South, and do love it, who are appalled by the racists and red-necks. The south has many fine and good people and has brought much great literature and music to the country and the world.
Having lived all over the country, I have known racists in all parts of the country. That is a reality. There are blue/liberal enclaves sprinkled throught the south, great food and beautiful weather and scenery. Please don”t condemn the entire region because of the idiots like Poe.
My great-grandfather was in the Confederate army and spent 1 1/2 years in a yankee prison camp. At the same time, I had a 3 great-grandmother who freed her slaves in the 1830s as it was “inappropriate for one human to hold another in involuntary servitude.” Many other liberal southerners have quite similar histories. It is a long battle but we’re fighting it one step at a time. (climbing back down off my soapbox once again)
Looks like an early Dixichick, ya bitch.
Jane Hamsher @ 9
Eh. Mah. Gawd.
OT - Marcy scores again. She is a force.
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http://www.census.gov/acs/www/.....02T040.htm
As is clear from this site, gooperism flourishes where the level of higher education is low. Nationwide about 26% of people have college degrees. When you get to that figure- gooperism virtually disappears- get down to 20% and gooperism flourishes. It ain’t just about geography!
The birthplace of the KKK is Pulaski, Giles County, Tennessee, which is on the northern border of Alabama. I had an aunt who had a farm near Prospect, Tennessee which is in Giles County. My aunt had a black share cropper family who lived on the farm. When I was eight I visited my aunt for most of that summer and played with the boy in the share cropper family. I’ve sometimes wondered whatever happened to him. Was he able, and inclined, to rise above that station in life?
Subway Serenade @ 50
That’s not a dig at the Dixie Chicks, pray tell?
Sometimes it seems that a few of those from the North are as bent on re-fighting the Civil War as some from the South are. It’s all so aggravating.
Last time I checked Jimmy Carter and Al Gore are from the South. So is Bill Clinton.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
So is John Edwards!
dakine01 @ 49
Cristy Hardin Smith is from West Virginia and still lives there. There are many liberals and many Democrats in the South, we are just simply outnumbered by the rapturists and such. We try to make a difference, but it’s very hard when you are surrounded by a lot of ignorance and backward thinking. Those who are so “disgusted” should instead feel sorry for the lot of us who ARE progressive because it can be a very lonely, isolating existence filled with a sense of utter helplessness at ever enlightening your neighbors and friends.
I recently saw “The Good Shepherd” and there’s a line in it that I can’t get out of my head. Matt Damon says to a “foreign” looking character, “It’s our country, you’re just visiting.”
Apart from the inherent racism in the line, it does go to the heart of what much of White America thinks of all the Blacks, Hispanics, and immigants, legal and otherwise, that live here.
That these attitudes still exist here does not surprise me in the least. That so many of us reject the view that this country “belongs” to white males gives me a small measure of hope.
Forrest sounds like a “stand-up guy”. He sounded like he did a “heck of a job”.
What do you expect from the party that’s stirring up racism across our country in the name of “immigration reform”, just because it’s popular among their racist, idiotic base.
IrishJim @ 58
w00t!
GSD @ 11
A goop with artistic talent?
BwaaHaHaHaHa
Way off topic but a friend of mine just called me and told me he was trying to pick something up at Washington Hospital Center in DC where, he says, the Queen seems to be. He can’t get near the place. It is surrounded by fire equipement and police cars. Has anyone heard anything?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 56
Amen. When you attack the South with ad hominems, you are attacking Southern progressives as well, and we need all the support we can get, for obvious reasons!
Word, OKkiddo
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
Again, WORD!
I think what people should clearly define is the politics of the South. The sad truth is that the poltics of the South is still dominated by the regressive, racist neo-Confederate holdovers who still look dearly to the days of the “Old South”. The Trent Lott, Strom Thurmond, Jess Helms, Lee Atwater, George W. Bush-Karl Rove wing of the Republican Party.
There is much about the South that is wonderful, beautiful, charming and 100% American.
Racism and slavery are not included.
-GSD
One of the principal reasons that we are in our current mess is that the Congress is made up of some of the most venal and bone-achingly stupid people on the planet.
The Texas Legislature makes Congress look like it’s populated by 535 reincarnations of Pericles.
punaise @ 46
and Russ Feingold
1,510 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Patriots:
Thanx for this post, I hope that FDL and the progressive blogosphere will become transmitters of truth to get the rhetoric used by these fascists into mainstream consciousness. Americans everywhere need to hear these words and their historical context on the evening news and at every campaign stop every Republifascist candidate for office makes. We must attach these criminals to their history and hang it around their necks…anyone heard from George Allen Jr. lately?
I have been sayin’ for some time that the battle we are engaged in right now is the final battle of the Civil War. The peculiarly American fascism that has power today has its genesis in the antebellum South and the vocabulary and formal ideology was developed and masterfully articulated by the Firebreathers like John C. Calhoun and Henry Clay in the 1840’s and 50’s.
Make no mistake about it, this American fascism is not new, it is as old as America and has an historical identity wrapped quite closely into the fabric of the heroic period of the early nation. These people believe what they say and their progenitors like Nathan Bedford Forrest have committed the heinous crimes we associate with brutal tyrannies far from our shores.
The anti-fascist progressive movement can take back our politics and the White House and the Congress without the solid South…indeed, the fascist Confederate history of this region is the wedge issue to split the South politically until demographic and economic changes can finish the bastards off.
But remember Firepups, these people will kill with impunity whether by politics or gunshot and we ignore the reality of their moral corruption at our own peril.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS FIGHT BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT!!
xoites defends Constitution @ 64
God save the Queen.
Leave it the Curse of W. to be the end of her reign too.
-GSD
I strongly support two Southerners for the Democratic nomination for president. Gore and/or Edwards.
possible moronic convergence . . .
a few weeks back, The Oracle of Santa Monica (aka Digby) posted about them returning to their anti semitic roots, someone downthread was asking as to why all the talk about immigration again, and I see an ‘English Only’ story was in heavy rotation at MSNBC this am -
it’s all they have left
The legend of Forrest has also been promulgated by the US armed forces, as I have heard an Army armored cavalry officer describe him Forrest as a cavalry “genius”
Yeah, I don’t wanna get in a pissin’ match about who’s racist-er. Count me among those who’ve lived around the country and will attest to there being plenty o’ prejudice *and* progressives on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line.
Feel free to move about the country, Allison.
My dad, as southern-born as they come, has been a loud-mouthed civil rights advocate all his life, much to his parents’ and bosses’ confusion, and my gratitude & pride. His attendance at the “wrong” meetings in Alabama in the 60s cost him tenure.
IMHO, when you run into a truly progressive southerner, you’re looking at someone who has really examined the issues and taken a stand. It’s not just a sociological question, but a deeply-felt matter of utmost humanity.
Again, peace.
Mandrake @ 59 says:
You’re exactly right. I’m in Texas now but have lived in Fl and AL as well as growing up in KY. Have also lived in NH, MI, MA, IL, CO, HI, CT, and NY over the years.
One of those interesting little facts, most of the Appalacian areas were anti-secession, feeling it was the rich/low-land people pushing for war. That’s how West Virginia came into being, by seceding from Virginia after Virginia seceded from the Union.
Well, it is clear that there are people whose universe is a mirror image of my own: frozen in the Confederacy. For them too, these brutal generals live.
The Union had Sherman, but this does not excuse Forrest. Wars create monsters and unleashes monsters.
The media has treated the South as a subject of ridicule for a hundred years. Some of it is deserved and some of it not. You don’t have to go there. Nobody will force you to. I haven’t lived there in over forty-two years but it is my roots and it isn’t the horror that you seem to imagine.
what dakine01 said ….. (@49)
GSD @ 71
OMG. Prince Philip is here also. I thought they were at a NASA thing today. Nothing on MSM about this.
I heartily condemn ‘regionalism’. No matter what region against which it is practiced.
Google news says Queen is scheduled to visit kids at the hospital today. Maybe it’s just security, etc.
Forrest is a gooper delight. He was born poor and stupid and then became rich and famous- through the slave trade. He apparently was bit of a genius in calvary tactics and killed lots of yankees- first Grand Klugle or Keagle- or Beagle of the Klu Klux Klan on top of it all. Self made man.
LS @ 80
Oh, ok. Normal DC hyper security then. Thanks.
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Citizen oklahoma kiddo:
Gore/Edwards or Edwards/Gore…I’m tellin’ ya that these are the only tickets that can save America in ‘08. Mrs. Clinton would be worse than a wingnut in the White House.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T GIVE THE BASTARDS ANY ROOM TA BREATH!!
Bill Moyers is an Oklahoman.
rwcole @ 81
A Beagle Boy of the Klan! I bet Scrooge had fun beating him to protect the money-bin, huh? (sorry, coulnd’t resist)
My ticket, unless or until Gore says otherwise, is still Edwards/Clarke.
Raw Story:
pre-macaca’d? not sure the cracker crowd can distinguish role-playing from reality.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 84
Kentucky was schizophrenic (for lack of a better term). Lincoln was born in Hodgenville and his family went north. Davis was born in Hopkinsville and his family went south.
Lincoln’s wife was from Lexington, KY. One of his brothers-in-law was a Confederate General iirc (John Breckenridge).
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 69
Stephen Colbert is a Charleston, SC native!
Lincoln’s wife was also nutty as a fruitcake.
OT: Farmed fish intended for human food fed melamine contaminated food (CNN)
RonD @ 86
Clarke or Clark?
dakine01 @ 88
Shirly Temple and Adolph Hitler share a birthday. Funny how everone in my family all thought exactly the same thing at the same time about everything. The bathroom rush was murder!
way OT: on strictly esthetic grounds, the top two ads on the front page at DKos happen to nicely color-coordinated with the site themes.
GSD @ 67
i’ll go further. the folks cited above wouldn’t even stoke the old ugly fires if it wasn’t effective as a political tool.
meaning they don’t believe this crackerism themselves — they are merely nihilists seeking power.
Norske,
I have to disagree with the aspect of your comment (#70) that makes it seem as if the entire South is fascist and racist. Max Cleland and John Edwards and Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton and Al Gore, whatever your feeling about them, are not racist, and they were all elected by southerners. James Webb, etc. but I won’t belabor the point.
We need the South, as much as we can get of it in our camp and we won’t get it with your kind of rhetoric.
Jeepers fucking cripes. The idiots are too idiotic to know how big of idiots they are. You can’t excuse ignorance, but you can pity it when it is displayed in such quantity.
Thanks, Jane…I guess. I’m going to go have a beer and think happier thoughts.
Shirley Temple turned into a right wing fascist ambassador.
Uh…Mpoodle, you got me. Clark(e), Wesley, is the man.
rwcole @ 95
with dimples
OK,
Will Rogers my favorite oklahoman !
While the Southern plantation owners are the most responsible for slavery, most people in the South did not own slaves. Northern industrialists profited greatly from selling to those Southern plantations.
IMVHO, it is not possible to give Lincoln enough credit for what he achieved. At the same time though, that he was anti-slavery, he was for most of his life, a supporter of legalized white supremacy. Even among abolitionists, there were very few who were not in favor of legalized white supremacy. I don’t believe that the Union General, William Tecumseh Sherman (who found no fault with Forrest at Ft. Pillow in his official inquiry) had any problem with slavery. One of Lee’s best Generals, and a close friend of Grant’s, Longstreet was an abolitionist, but chose to fight with the South on account of states rights. Grant’s father-in-law owned slaves in Missouri. Legalized white supremacy was just as prevalent in the North as in the South both before and after the civil war. Lynchings were more common in the South, because there were more African Americans down there. A lot of Southern families, who profited less from slavery than wealthy Northerners, paid a horrible price in terms of dead and wounded. It’s that reservoir of suffering that Toe so repulsively taps into. A whole generation of Southern men were wiped out. North had more people and didn’t pay nearly that steep a price. With all that said, I met a guy from Alabama at Gettysburg a few years back who was still pissed off, because after the Civil War his family received no compensation for the six slaves they had to set free. Maybe he had relatives in Texas named Toe?
I write all this, because I think it’s important that we not demonize the south in a way that is not historically accurate. To be sure, the South has specific responsibilities that the North does not. At the same time, the North’s record before and after the Civil War is not that great on issues concerning African Americans.
FWIW, Forrest was a complex guy. He later distanced himself from the KKK and if wiki is to be believed, in 1875 he met with the forerunner of the NAACP and advocated for African Americans to have the right to vote. Whether it’s true or not (I suspect it is, because it appears that he died a man of modest means), it doesn’t excuse his conduct at Ft. Pillow. He was the commanding officer, it happened under his watch.
Nola Sue @ 75
Holy Moses! You said it. You should hear my dad sometime. He doesn’t mince words about his Democratic viewpoints and will challenge his ill-informed Publican brethren with the facts at the drop of a hat. And he is also pro-Union/pro-Labor. Gasp! That is akin to satanism down heah!
But don’t get in his way with a bunch of Bush-worshipping crap. He will pare you down to size in seconds flat.
We could sure use Virginia- and La., Arkansas, and North Carolina are all within reach. Texas will be blue eventually as the hispanic population grows.
o.k. folks, bedtime here in Dresden. catch y’all on the flip side.
rwcole @ 97
See? :)
Human pile of shit Tony Snow joins in the smearing of Gov. Sebelius of Kansas.
Says she should have asked for help.
Yet the facts show she has been for years.
Kansas gets Katrina’d.
-GSD
cbl @ 101
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