People in the blogosphere became familiar with the battle in Connecticut to require all publicy funded hospitals to offer Plan B contraception last year after Joe Lieberman made his famous comment about it being only a "short ride" to another hospital for rape victims who had the misfortune to be treated at Catholic hospitals.
Maura brings us the good news:
After three hours of debate in the Connecticut House of Representatives, the Compassionate Care for Victims of Sexual Assault Act passed the House in a decisive vote of 113 in favor and 36 opposed.
I'll link to the official vote tally once it is available.Here's the full roll call vote.The vast majority of speakers who spoke in favor of the bill cited the importance of ensuring a consistent standard of care at all Connecticut hospitals, so that any rape victim who seeks medical treatment in the immediate aftermath of rape would be offered medically accurate information on emergency contraception and, if the patient wished, would be given the full dosage of the medication at the hospital.
Congratulations to everyone who made this happen. It's a real victory. Supporters of the bill even included Lieberman buddy Jim Amman. Looks like people in CT care about as much what Joe thinks on the matter as they did about his non-participation in the annual JJB dinner recently where few mentioned his name and Ned Lamont got a standing ovation, which is to say not at all.
I'd also like to take a moment here to thank Urban Pirate and CT Bob who last year tried to organize a silent march from one hospital to the next during the Lamont campaign. The idea got shot down by those afraid that it would offend Catholics in the state (which never made sense to me since 74% of the state's Catholics thought Plan B ought to be offered in Catholic hospitals, but whatever). It was really heartening that two men were really committed to womens' reproductive rights and went to all that trouble, Bob even went down and paid money and took out a permit. We were gonna dress up in hospital gowns (because they often confiscate clothing after a rape) and push around a hospital gurney. A nice piece of political theater that never happened.
I can't find a link but Maura was over here the other day when the bill was being debated telling stories at the expense of male CT legislators whose ignorance about basic reproduction was quite astonishing, matched only by that of Ann Althouse.
And you were what, surprised?
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ZeD☼
ZEDDDDD?????
Hi Jane.
On Topic!
Jeebus I can’t keep up with you guys today!
Okay, back to previous comment thread for a sec…I think I tossed a hand grenade in and then left to put up a post.
Great news from Connecticut especially after the Supremes’ decision!
The mainstream media has done its part to conflate Plan B and abortion. On crappy preteen soap operas of all things.
Who was the legislator who took a call from the Archbishop of Hartford while presiding over the Connecticut House’s debate on this issue? Huzzah on him for telling the story!
Thanks for telling the “short-ride” protest story, Jane — I did not know what happened with that swell idea. Probably another consultant who didn’t bear listening to after all….
lolo @ 1
Again, lolo!!! Jane you’ve been a busy beaver today!!! Awesome Posts!!!
Jane Hamsher @ 5
that thread made my head hurt.
Good on the Nutmeggers.
Is this an appropriate topic for this blog? I ask one particular person and wonder if I could be let in on the joke?
lolo @ 1
Lolo, you zed-stealing minx.
Mutant Poodle @ 13
she is good, no? methinks she has multiple screens going or something…
randiego @ 14
Let us devote this thread to a discussion of lolo’s apparent, if narrowly applicable, superpowers.
Cool article Jane. I would love to have seen Ned get the standing ovation. It would have been fun to watch the reception RG Joe would have gotten with his name blasted over the announcer.
Hi Jane!
Maura and CT Bob were awesome in the campaign and a pleasure to work with. Memories of last summer will linger long into the next election cycle and beyond.
It’s great to see the good guys win one, especially since this usually affects the most vulnerable women who never should have to deal with the political nonsense on top of dealing with just having been raped!!!!!
My note to the Human Rights Campaign, declining to contribute after their endorsement of Joe Lieberman: apparently lesbians don’t get raped.
Lieberman’s stand was unconscionable and it’s very heartening to know that CT has repudiated it.
Great News!
Wish we could have put JoeLie’s vicious comments in front of a few more potential voters, it would have been fun to raise a little (more) hell.
It was a real pleasure interfacing with the issues groups in CT who were pushing this measure. As a newbie to organizing, it was great to see true professionalism in action.
Kudos for making this have a wider audience, Jane.
OFF-TOPIC:
Loo Hoo @ 12
The joke is that Pach posted a Saturday nite late nite about gaydar, and a commenter took the position that “this is not an appropriate topic for this blog.” Merriment ensued, particularly around refunding that commenter’s subscription or revoking that commenter’s privileges. To say “this is not an appropriate topic for this blog” has become shorthand, for a.) we are taking ourselves a little too seriously right now AND b.) we have forgotten whose blog this is.
OK, just out of curiosity, where does Jodi Rell – who will appoint Lieberman’s successor when he is revealed to be an empty suit with neither a heart nor a soul, just resumes for BFF John McCain – line up on this piece of legislation?
Glad to hear that the state of my youth can apply reason to a situation.
I must whole-heartedly concur, however, it might take a couple of threads!!!
Get on Topic I don’t want to get in trouble. *g* When are you going to give me a handicap? teeheehee
lolo @ 24
No, but I am considering hypnotizing you a few minutes before the next post is due out.
lolo @ 24
Nay, not a handicap, fair maiden. Methinks your horse should have a few extra pounds in the saddle to make zedding fair game for us mortals.
Mutant Poodle @ 21
I read she said she’d sign it without reading it. Not sure what kinda dog-whistle code that was to the legislature — “pass it with secret restrictions and I won’t call you on it???” — but I’m pretty sure that’s what she said.
This is great news. Congrats to all that made it happen. And, I’m still mourning Ned Lamont’s loss.
RevDeb @ 17
Reading your comment just made me conscious of the flippant compliment I wrote above about this being a “cool article”. Your last sentence above is a powerful reminder of just how much was at stake in this “small political battle”.
Lifting a glass to Maura and CT Bob both for fighting it.
Texas Betsy @ 25
Way to to go, TB!!! Give the rest of us a fighting Chance!!! *g*
TeddySanFran @ 20
Poor Pach was horrified since he rarely talks about that subject. For the rest of us it was one of those FDL bonding moments.
Thanks, TSF!
I’m glad the rape victims of Connecticut can get the plan B. Too bad if it’s only rape victims.
Amen, Hosanna, and Hallelujah!
TeddySanFran @ 27
Translates: I think this stinks but I ain’t gonna say it cuz it would REALLY p*ss people off.
Rell’s having to do a LOT of damage control with the CT legislators because of her CoS, so she’s prol’ly not going to raise too many hackles on something like this.
TeddySanFran @ 27
Well, it makes as much sense as most GOP utterances…
Speaking of gaydar, whose snark was it that gave us “9.6 Gannons on the Cohndar”? A classic.
Was that Trex, or Jesus General?
lolo @ 31
I hate it when the good stuff happens late on Sat. night. I usually have to turn in early in order to be bright and ready for Sunday mornings at work. Drat!
Then again, if I’m not yet bonded with the FDL gang, by now . . .
hi RevDeb, are you home now or still in Pa?
TeddySanFran @ 8
We couldn’t talk about it at the time and I was thinking about it when I was talking to Maura yesterday so I thought I’d mention it. They deserve props for their efforts, it was a great idea.
dakine01 @ 34
Sorry, sudden skull density. CoS?
Loo Hoo @ 32
I agree. What a weird paradigm, your sexual assault trumps my weird religious hang up?
Missed that. Going to go find it and enjoy.
I wanna talk about American Idol.
What’s a “Sanjaya?”
(for everyone who misunderstood last post and thinks they cannot go OT here now)
Mutant Poodle @ 15
randiego @ 14
Mutant Poodle @ 13
lolo @ 1
ZeD☼
Lolo, you zed-stealing minx.
she is good, no? methinks she has multiple screens going or something…
Let us devote this thread to a discussion of lolo’s apparent, if narrowly applicable, superpowers.
I have a few extra ZEDS here if anyone is in need.
Jane Hamsher @ 43
The chi-channeling utterance of a new-age martial artist?
Mutant Poodle @ 40
Chief Of Staff
Jane Hamsher @ 43
It’s a drink involving red wine and fruit juices. Served in India.
Jane Hamsher @ 43
Oh that’s wine with some fruit in it.Hi all!!
jane_jericho @ 18
Men get raped. Rapists really are not particular, they want to inflict violence.
Jane Hamsher @ 43
gesundheit
smapdi @ 41
I work in michigan, in as a pharmacy tech. In the particular area where i work? We’re the only pharmacy that stocks Plan B OTC to be able to buy in a roughly 10 to 15 mile radius. It irks me that the county i live in is that idiotic about something so simple. Conservative christian country, i live in. Here in west michigan. I’m proud to work at a pharmacy that carries it for its intended purpose. Which is to help.
(but we’re a pharmacy run by women, which to me makes a HUGE difference. We’d likely rebel on a pharmacist that refused to dispense birth control pills.)
Speaking of Gaydar, whats an Urban Sombrero? ;)
Happy Cinco de Mayo, mateys.
OT (I have Jane’s permission) Do you think that the hit-job the AP did on Olberman (comparing him to O’reilly) will bring on a ‘Special Comment”. I hope so. It’s warranted.
From the Hartford Courant story Jane links to about HoJo’s bud Jim Amman:
But they will not provide the medication if the woman is ovulating because they believe that the medication could not be a contraceptive at that stage and thus would lead to an abortion.
Unlike when the controversy arose last year, Plan B is now widely available at pharmacies as an over-the-counter medication for those 18 and older. It still requires a prescription for those younger than 18.
My bold and question: Isn’t that the whole point for having to use the Plan B? Or am I just an idiot xy? (don’t answer that last please, I already know the answer and it’s yes) :})
lolo @ 31
True.
I have an On Topic question; Isn’t the ‘Plan B’ drug available OTC? I know the Partisans at FDA had had their slimy paws all over it, but, I thought it had finally been approved!!! Considering the kerfluffle that certain Pharmacists wouldn’t honor the requests?
This is wonderful news!
Whenever someone from Naral or Planned Parenthood Action League (or whatever the political branch is called) calls asking for donations I always tell them about their organization’s endorsement of Lieberman, and I tell them how he got the nickname “Short-ride Joe”.
I’m always very polite to them, saying that “this isn’t personal” and that I realize they are not personally responsible for it. But I tell them about FDL and I try to encourage them to come here, and I encourage them to talk to the other people in the organization.
I also talk about Lieberman’s vote for cloture on the Alito nomination. They always seem surprised and interested.
solai @ 53
nah Keith can handle it. Besides, responding would make him seem just like Mr. Thin-Skin himself, O’Reilly.
OK, semi-OT. How is it that current and former sports reporters have more heart than, say, um, Washington “journalists”?
I speak first of Keith Olbermann, and second of Peter King of Sports Illustrated, who went on a rant about 4-5 months ago about the tragedy of New Orkleans, and had this to say in his column this morning:
Amen.
Urban Pirate @ 52
Oy, typing quickly, part of my brain back in the other thread.
Thanks, Urban Pirate! Appropriately credited now.
Jane Hamsher @ 43
A people magazine guest at the white House Organization of Reporters and Editors dinner.
I think Urban Pirate may be too modest to say it himself, but I believe he was the one who worked with Connecticut Bob on the protest.
I’m not sure I know of any commenter named Urban Sombrero (but maybe I’m just out of the loop on this one).
Boy, what you miss when you step away from the computer! Those last two threads were something else.
To Sree Sreenivasan, “Blogging remains a luxury for the young — or the bored.” To me, and I suspect many of the folks who hang around at FDL, I’d say that blogging is not a luxury — it’s a matter of policial life and death.
Exhibit one for making that case: this post, and others over the last year carrying on the fight for women’s rights in CT.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Professor S, but blogging is not a luxury to those with a passion for justice: it is a necessity.
solai @ 53
Doubt it. He doesn’t seem like the type that would let that get him too riled up.
*xyz @ 62
My mistake.
Mutant Poodle @ 59
Amen.
Even HALF as much!
RF — I have had that same experience when I tell callers about NARAL’s support of Lieberman, and the coverage it gave other politicians like Boxer. Why do they continue to be surprised? At some point, this message has to sink into the organization and make it into the call scripts, but not yet.
solai @ 53
Nah, just a WPITW award. And maybe for himself in his self-deprecating way. He has done so a couple of times in the past so not unprecedented.
Peterr @ 63
And who gave you permission to step away?
SnarKassandra @ 66
Even HALF as much!
Howdy, Cassie! How was Spiderman? [Need to know if I should see it.]
TeddySanFran @ 38
I’m home now. They voted. I’m in. Lots to do—selling one house, buying another . . . the one we wanted we made an offer on. The sellers are not being very flexible. We may keep trying or we may look for something else in the same area. Want to keep in the Admiral’s CD.
I am one step this side of comatose. so. tired.
Wonderful news, Jane.
Gawd I still get so angry when I think of RGJ’s words..
You should DEFINITELY go see Spiderman 3. But watch 2 and 1 at home before you go.
I wasn’t horrified. I was hysterical. But I behaved myself and did not execute anyone with my famous comment section ouzi.
SnarKassandra @ 73
I think I was just sent to my room…
try new Flex-Contempt! it allows for varying degrees of contempt for Joe Lieberman depending on his latest inanities. now available in bulk quantities.
SnarKassandra @ 69
My five year old. It wasn’t so much permission to step away as a demand.
CTuttle @ 56
It is approved for OTC use. We have to restock it now and then just to keep it ready. It doesn’t move a lot, but when it does it goes quickly. There are pharmacists in existence that won’t even dispense regular birth control pills. Those are the ones i’m glad i’ve never worked with, becuase my difference in opinion would be very, very pointed with that type. They seem to gather more in the south than here in the north.
BCP are used for much more than just preventing pregnancy. But the religious nuts forget that. Even the ones that are degreed pharmacists! It’s a right, not a privaledge!
Mutant Poodle @ 75
You can watch TV and comment on a blog at the same time.
Thanks, Jane. Nice to see my name in lights. :)
Pachacutec @ 74
Wanna borrow my tazer?
xoites defends Constitution @ 49
They aren’t likely to need emergency contraception, however, which was my point.
I don’t care if this is OT:
The National Guard can’t respond to a Force 5 tornado in Kansas because it’s in Iraq. Half the trucks, flatbeds, humvees, well trained National Guard personel.
This is George W. Bush’s Greensburg. I hope we can remember that we can’t help our own. Katrina?
SnarKassandra @ 79
Maybe you young whippersnappers can. TV is in one room; computers in another. Clearly bad space planning.
Boston1775 @ 83
that was also a major problem with katrina. Over half the first responders for LA and MS were in Iraq so not available to do their primary task.
OT-
Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius on Keith, talking about the equipment needed to help in the disaster being in Iraq…
Peterr @ 63
It is that and more. Can you imagine what this country would be like right now if the only thing we had to rely on was the MSN? By now, anyone who disagreed with the Bush Administration would feel so isolated that he or she would be convinced nobody out there, anywhere, agreed with them. Bush could do with us and the world as he would want. And i could just imagine it. Me, you, all of us as “anti American” Democrats/Liberals being profusely whipped while lugging coal out of some coal mine to please the energy masters Bush so loves.
newtonusr @ 86
She’s fab. Has been bringing people in KS out of the dark side.
aliasofwestgate @ 51
smapdi @ 41
Loo Hoo @ 32
Thanks, TSF!
I’m glad the rape victims of Connecticut can get the plan B. Too bad if it’s only rape victims.
I agree. What a weird paradigm, your sexual assault trumps my weird religious hang up?
I work in michigan, in as a pharmacy tech. In the particular area where i work? We’re the only pharmacy that stocks Plan B OTC to be able to buy in a roughly 10 to 15 mile radius. It irks me that the county i live in is that idiotic about something so simple. Conservative christian country, i live in. Here in west michigan. I’m proud to work at a pharmacy that carries it for its intended purpose. Which is to help.
(but we’re a pharmacy run by women, which to me makes a HUGE difference. We’d likely rebel on a pharmacist that refused to dispense birth control pills.)
Bless you!!! On several fronts!!!Peterr @ 63
It is a Necessity, for our Sanity!!! FDL is on a par all its own!!! Thank Y’all for the intelligent debate, the pursuit of intellectual curiosity, and, reasoned thought, that I have never failed to experience here in the Lake!!! *g*
Jane Hamsher @ 81
Sure. Want your pantyhose back?
(That’ll get ‘em going.)
I keep my computer on my lap.
RevDeb @ 17
YOU and all the other dedicated firepups were all AWESOME and following the CT threads on FDL during the primary and general campaign deserving of a collective Pulizter IMHO. Oh and Jane I do so hope Lieberman is aware you are now a resident and it keeps him awake at night! heh heh…
Rape? Dead in Iraq?
The BBC had more depressing news from Baghdad.
Report about the growing “humanitarian crisis” there. Hundreds of thousands dead, millions of refugees, kidnappings, not enough food and supplies while they sit on the second largest oil reserve in the world. So absurd! So Criminal
A dear friend who just returned from northern Iraq (she was in Iraq before the invasion with the Christian Peace Maker Team) and has been back 4 times accumulating close to three and a half years there. She shared once again that many Iraqi’s firmly believe that the right wing zealots who lied us into war desired chaos in Iraq. That the quagmire was not a mistake! That the under estimated troop numbers, the lack of securing the historic sights and the release of Sunni military officials and police was a strategic manuever to increase the possiblity for killings, kidnappings and the built up hatred between the Sunni’s and Shiites to have an enviroment fo blow up and continue to escalate and eliminate. The Iraqi people are comparing it( although far more people are dying and suffering) to the Sabra and Shatilla massacre where the Israeli military provided cover for the Lebanese phalangist to massacre Palestinians. That we have provided cover for this genocide to take place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S…..a_massacre
Peggy said that many Iraqi’s believe this. They do not think that the Bush administration could have made so many horrendous mistakes, and that they never intended to secure the peace. That the issue is taking control of the oil(privatizing, the Iraqi oil had been nationalized in the early 60’s) That the U.S. and Israel not only want control of the oil but the region. That it does not matter how long it takes or how many Iraqi’s die or become refugees in the process of privatizing the oil.
I am so ashamed of what my country has done to the Iraqi people. (must be that Catholic guilt or simply having a conscience.)
The Bush administrations and “some” of the American peoples brutality is naked in Baghdad for all of the world to see! So sad that many Americans are too busy to notice the suffering and death in Iraq (and the MSM is sure not showing them any pictures,) too busy driving SuV’s
What a HUMANITARIAN CRISIS our invasion has created!
RevDeb @ 88
Yep. Love her. And courage and real smarts to win there, although it seems Kansas is waking up.
Poor Joe: The Loathe that dare not speak his name must be pretty substantial.
Off Topic -
quick copy/paste on Gonzo’s travels according to googlenews:
He’s got to be fucking kidding…after all we’ve just learned about gutting civil rights div.
Plus, there’s Jud/Comm members of both houses up thru that neck of the woods.
Guess Cheney’s rubbing off on him – Gonzo to MI “Go Cheney yourselves!
I’ll click a link or two and learn details, I guess.
back later.
—-
Oh. On Topic: Good for CT!
Punaise #76, I’ll take a truckload!
Here’s the gaydar thread. The fun starts at about comment #19.
Snarkassandra – I hope Aunt Betsy gives you a mulligan (pass) so you can come out of your room! ;~)
newspaperbrat @ 99
I am not in my room. I told MP to go watch spidey 1 and spidey 2 before he goes to spidey 3, and he said i sent him to HIS room.
Pachacutec @ 74
There was some ouzo though.
RevDeb, Guess this means you officially got the new job. Congratulations, girlscout! It will all come together on the housing. Best wishes!
Yes, Plan B is now available “Behind the Counter”. It’s not quite the same as OTC (like aspirin or Benadryl) because a consumer can’t just pick it up off the shelf in a pharmacy — it has to be dispensed by a licensed pharmacist, and a woman has to show proof of age because it cannot be dispensed to a woman under age 18.
The issue of availability of EC to rape victims in emergency rooms is still important, however. First of all, in CT, if a woman is raped, the rape kit and EC are paid for by state victim’s services funds. If a woman is sent away from an ER without EC, she’d have to shop around to find a pharmacy that agrees to stock it, find out if that same pharmacy actually has it in stock, find out if that pharmacy actually has a pharmacist working at that hour, and then pay $50-100 out of pocket to buy it. For many women in poverty, $50-100 is an entire family’s food budget for two weeks or more, not the kind of cash every woman would have in her purse in the event of rape.
Given how long a person often has to wait in an ER to be treated, and how many hours can go by while a woman is waiting for the many stages of a rape exam, evidence collection, etc…each hour that ticks by is an hour that makes EC less efficacious. And each hour that goes by while a woman is suffering the emotional torture of wondering whether she may become pregnant prolongs needless emotional suffering.
CT’s legislation mandates a standard of care in ALL CT hospitals, religious and secular, so that every rape victim will know about the availability of EC to prevent pregnancy while she is in the ER. If she wishes to use EC, she will be offered the full dosage while she is at the hospital, not be forced to “shop around” for hours and hours to find it elsewhere. She will not have to pay for it out of pocket. And the bill even allows hospitals to contract with a third party to provide the medication if they do not want their own personnel involved.
Mutant Poodle @ 84
SnarKassandra @ 79
Mutant Poodle @ 75
SnarKassandra @ 73
You should DEFINITELY go see Spiderman 3. But watch 2 and 1 at home before you go.
I think I was just sent to my room…
You can watch TV and comment on a blog at the same time.
Maybe you young whippersnappers can. TV is in one room; computers in another. Clearly bad space planning.
No TV in this house. We have a TV tuner card in a computer, it cost $19.95. I can watch TV in a window while blogging, answering e-mail and playing solitaire.
Pachacutec @ 98
Personally, I thought the fun started at the top of the post, with that video clip of Lindsey Graham talking about sausage.
zig alert!
MP — if you use a DVD you can watch on your computer and hang out here at the same time. Or else get the tuner card.
Loo Hoo @ 102
Thank you!
Yes, it’s official and I have faith that all will work out. Too many things have fallen into the right places that I know it will be fine.
That’s good to know Maura. Thank you. I forgot to mention the other restrictions. I’m just happy it is available and that CT is making that decision to make it available in hosptials. Not something i’ve heard of locally myself. But i suppose i could ask one of the pharmacists that quit retail and went over to work in one of our many hospitals about what they do.
Jane Hamsher @ 81
So sorry, please no tazer that’s reserved for TRex.
Rachael Maddow laying out the whole DOJ scandal on KO
Peterr: The Paul Lynde pic at the end still cracks me up. Pretty sad when you keep laughing at your own joke.
Maura, you’re an amazing human being.
Thank You.
Rachael is doing an excellent job. She was fabulous. I hope she gets a shot at the Imus timeslot.
In case anyone is interested, “Sir No Sir” and will be on Sundance Channel this evening @ 8 PM Central time, followed by “Ground Truth”.
http://www.sirnosir.com/
Great work Maura!
You have been a trooper throughout. The folks in CT are lucky to have you there forcing justice upon them.
thanks for this good news Jane
(((Urban Pirate))) ((((Connecticut Bob))))
Pachachutec – I understand the ‘voice of the gods’ rationale keeping you quiet, but plenty of us miss having you in the threads for the very same reasons you were called up to ‘the show’
LS @ 115
Thanks.
Anyone have any election data on how likely it is that the Dems can expand their majority enough next year that we can make Lieberworm irrelevant? You will stop hearing all that “I might switch parties” crap in an instant. The idea that he is sitting on his hands as the chair of the Oversight committe while Leahy and Waxman are doing all the heavy lifting just makes my blood boil.
solai @ 53
Glenn Greenwald already did a special comment on that story.
Jane: I think the best fun on this blog was “the kiss” tour in Ct. Except for the
Oh, shucks, Brady, you shouldn’t have post.
RonD @ 119
Indirectly, yes.
Pachacutec @ 90
Yeah keep the panties. They look better on you anyway.
Has anyone heard anything about what the status of Phase II of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence is at this time?
Where is Republican Senator Pat Roberts (is he still doing his best to delay, divert and destroy this investigation?)…now there’s a person I would not trust with a 50 foot pole.
going google fishing?
Urban Pirate and RevDeb, THANKS!!!! Means a lot coming from you. :-)
While we’re reminiscing about Connecticut, you all might appreciate this gem of a quote from a column yesterday by Ken Dixon at the Connecticut Post, who is at the top of the list of CT journalists who have little but scorn and disdain for bloggers:
http://www.connpost.com/kendixon/ci_5820622
I think I’m going to adopt that as my personal motto:
Maura: Proudly Soiling the Flow of Public Information since 2003
From the previous thread:
dick c @ 355
solai @ 292
The more I think about it, the more I don’t like the idea of restrictions. If the MSM were to interview someone, you would not want them to be restricted to certain topics. Same here, but more so. The net is our last refuge.
“On topic” conversations are good for getting deeper into a subject. It’s like working on anything — stay in an area and make more progress in that area. Jump all over and you cover a lot of bases, but just barely — and there’s a good chance you won’t get to anything new. Free ranging conversations are good for introductions and general exploration. To every season…
TeddySanFran @ 258
Scarecrow’s comment brings me to the central question: on-topic is an FDL rule, but was the topic itself HRC’s? Because it’s a pretty easy topic — can you imagine someone here being in favor of the current gender pay inequity?? Narrowing the topic to a topic without much controversy would be a trend I’d try to avoid, I guess.
Everyone “here” may be in favor of equal pay, but the question is: what can be done about it? If the subject were “easy” I’d think it would be fixed by now. More controversial subjects tend to be ones that keep Congress polarized. I think it may be a good time to push for equal pay. People need a little break issues that have Bush at their center. By comparison, equal pay seems like a fresh breeze.
I’ve only been reading here for a week or so. It was the YouTube music links that hooked me. Kudos to everyone involved here.
xoites: What is “funny” about the equal pay discussion is the Equal Rights Amendment and how it was defeated way back when. The big argument coming from Phylis Schaffley and Anita Bryant was that if the ERA passed we would see women in combat.
All women got out of this debate was combat.
Pachacutec @ 98
With BINGO at #77. Thanks!
Sorry, i have a lot to learn about importing from another thread.
Did someone mention gay bingo? I love gay bingo. :-)
David Corn on Wolfowitz, Condi, Tenet and Israel…nothing on Phase II
http://www.davidcorn.com/
ccmask @ 121
Ah the good old days when I did Late Nite. Kinda miss ‘em.
Excellent Maura, it’s great to see you stop by again. Thank you for those important details.
What utter crap this is. I keep forgetting all women are identical, ovulate exactly on the full moon and bleed exactly the day of the new moon in harmony with Nature! *smacks forehead*
Jane Hamsher @ 131
I know what you mean. I’m having a hard time staying up, though getting a full night’s sleep seems impossible too.
Loo Hoo @ 127
Now there’s a suggestion for future improvements: we could really use a “Best of FDL” link list — that post and the thread was one of the best. Too, too funny.
Maura @ 129
I wouldn’t know what to wear.
Loo Hoo @ 127
And Siun sums it up nicely @ #92.
imagine, you’ve just been raped and after being questioned to relive it all and been examined, including taking of evidence from your body, having to call someone and come and help you and having to say to them what just happened and you had to travel down the road to avoid a pregnancy caused by a rapist……..imagine it…….
lieberman should never rest because of it.
i wish this would have been available years ago. and now that it is, people who don’t want to imagine the human side of what happens to people are trying to stop it…….i actually hate them really i do. and i don’t hate anybody.
sex without consent/rape is one of the least talked about things in america. and what comes from it is talked about even less. they don’t even have accurate numbers on it because of the stigma attached. about time it’s coming out into the open, i’m glad.
thanks jane
Jane Hamsher @ 123
Pachacutec @ 90
Jane Hamsher @ 81
Pachacutec @ 74
I wasn’t horrified. I was hysterical. But I behaved myself and did not execute anyone with my famous comment section ouzi.
Wanna borrow my tazer?
Sure. Want your pantyhose back?
(That’ll get ‘em going.)
Yeah keep the panties. They look better on you anyway.
Run, Jane, run!!! Pach, I hadn’t seen the Gaydar thread, much regrets, DefJef, was out of line, I was happy to see that many FDL regulars/posters promptly gave the smackdown he so righteously deserved!!! If I had viewed it, I would have taken a number!!! Keep up the excellent work!!!
Zig freed by Mod
Maura @ 129
I just gotta know what this is. Enlighten me please.
dmac @ 137
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Talk about a case of “the pot calling the kettle black. Kristol calls Tenet “whiny”. Can’t get much whinier than Kristol!
http://www.weeklystandard.com/…..5cglnt.asp
You know kids, running around the piano with underpants on your heads is fun, just plain fun.
Hey Jane, My heart… I feel for you..
I like this place, but if Jane doesn’t keep her edge and Christy her southern … well, edge,
dakine01 @ 140
It brings images of the movie “Alien” to mind.
Kathleen @ 141
…because they had already used “conflicted” on Matt Dowd,
then FDL is MSM.
ok, top this for o/t
Archaeologist Finds King Herod’s Tomb
(it’s actually a little o/t bon bon for the resident archaeologists – couldn’t resist)
Guardian
Boston1775 @ 142
You are of course assuming i have a piano.
…and undies…
Jane Hamsher @ 43
The better question is: How many FDL’ers watch anything on Faux? The only thing I watch on there is sports.
Boston1775 @ 142
Do you have underpants where you are supposed to also?
Bill O – WPITW, claims the IU study on his comments is biased due to Soros.
cbl @ 146
That is so interesting. I love archeology, fossils, and all that stuff.
Boston1775 @ 145
Sputter, sputter, WTF??? Not a snowball’s chance…!!! Go, Bosox!!!
I’m not yet convinced that having one of our Senators here to answer questions on only one topic is a good idea. I’m sorry, but it sounds like they can use a website for their own gain with little risk. Now, of course, if the topic itself is very controversial then I might be more amenable. But to have a safe topic with these limits is not much different than the MSM journalist who is given a list of allowable questions before and interview.
I love this site and realize that much of what is done here has no precedent. Therefore, I didn’t give the controversy much thought at first. But, now that I have, I would hesitate letting a politician frame the debate by having limited topics.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 148
And not even so much there. I’m still trying to figure out how McCarver got proclaimed great baseball announcer
Rayne @ 134
I like this one ; )
Boston1775 @ 145
This is obviously a Fox News affiliate, Bean Man. LOL :)
CTuttle @ 152
I agree. I don’t want to be part of mainstream.
dakine #150, I don’t know about you, but I am so utterly sick of hearing wingnuts complain about Soros, when they’re perfectly OK with Richard Mellon Scaife and the whole network of right-wing think-tanks, foundations, and character assassins he’s been funding for 30 YEARS.
*head explodes*
The “inflammatory rhetoric” iin regard to Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program has settled down at National Review and the Weekly Standard.
Sure hoping that this silence is not deadly…for Iran!
The editors at national review banking on Wolfowitz. I am sure they have been banking with Wolfowitz for a long long time.
http://article.nationalreview……NlM2QzMzg=
Someone was asking about Gay Bingo — here in CT, the Mid-Fairfield AIDS Project hosts Gay Bingo every month or so — it’s a riot!
http://www.mfap.com/gaybingo.htm
dakine01 @ 150
But of course!!! Who else is he going to blame??? His own Rantings?!!!
Dana Milbank all decked out for cocktail queenies on KO.
RonD @ 158
Why not just let them complain about Soros and not worry about it?
Soros is beside the point and so are those who vilify him.
Cozumel @ 155
Whoops! Link…
http://firedoglake.blogspot.co…..1732276415
Murdoch buying the WSJ is OK though.
Eureka Springs @ 162
And on fire!!!
LS @ 115,
That is amazing! huge thanks for that link.
RonD @ 158
I still haven’t gotten my Soros check yet.
Winking at the queen? Jesus.
cbl @ 146
Were there any WMD?
Ledeen even off his let’s bomb bomb Iran obsession. He tries to lash Tenet.
http://article.nationalreview……U1MTNkY2E=
Some how Ledeen is just not very convincing! His “Masters in Competitive Intelligence” seems to be getting in the way
I got a zed!!!!!!!!
ls at 143
yes, in a way, but in another way, it’s yours, too. quite a dichotomy
K.O. and D.M., what a dynamic duo!!!
RonD @ 158
As always, whatever they’re whining about loudest is what they’re doing beneath the surface
Scarecrow @ 170
That is not off topic, off topic is ANYTHING concerning Paris Hilton.
((((dakine))))
Let’s come from another angle of perspective here. It’s one thing to take care of something in a thread you don’t happen to like or agree with anymore than the commenter did, it’s quite another to gang up and make said poster the butt of every joke since, by name, a commenter who still comments here as quite a few people have done for the last several weeks now.
Is this commenter a financial supporter here? Do you know who is and isn’t? Does it surprise any of you that people were offended at the way he was treated and did think about withdrawing their support to the site because of it? Or that lurkers refuse to comment because they feel they will be next if they dissent?
solai @ 114
Kudos for Rachel, and an endorsement of her appearance in the Imus slot, may be directed to:
countdown@msnbc.com
dabrams@msnbc.com
kolbermann@msnbc.com;
Eureka Springs @ 162
ES – Did you catch Bushwhacker outpacing the Queen down the steps like a 5 year old brat – jeeze – you’d think Uncle Turdblossom would have had the wit to make him watch Helen Mirren in The Queen fer god’s sake and learn you NEVER walk ahead of the Queen of England much less look back at her with a twisted 3 year old smirk. Her contempt for Bush was almost painfully obvious throughout every clip KO shared.
Which begs the question – the Brits got rid of GWB’s poodle Tony Snow – so why can’t we rid ourselves of Shrub? We all know he is hopeless, dangerous and mentally unbalanced.
TeddySanFran @ 178
I just sent an email to all 3.
Everybody does it…spies that is. Justin Raimando on the upcoming A*P*C trial.
This is a great article!
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2…..ticle.html
What happened to the old Book Salon host and why did they change to a new one?
SnarKassandra @ 183
Probably pre-mature articulation and posting. But youll most likely keep your zed, based on past performance. :})
Phoenix Woman has moved in upstairs
I think you meant Blair ;-)
Shez @ 177
While i do not condone “piling on” nor scapegoating and while i was not here for this incident (so it may appear i am talking out of my hat) i do believe that if you write something for public consumption you should have the heart to stand up for what you say and be willing to take the brick bats that may ensue. I also believe, however in civility. I only chastise the most persistentand obtuse trolls who roam these sites.
There are a lot of people who read these comments on these blogs and are intimidated to speak. In a way i can’t blame them. Public airing of personal political views can be scary. Maybe it should be. Maybe you really need to have your thoughts in order before you decide others should share them. However, anyone who puts forth their views politely (assuming the views themselves are not offensive) should be treated with dignity and civility.
Those who flail about with a big mouth with little regard for the truth or the feelings of others sooner or later get a tongue lashing.
Eureka Springs @ 162
Shall we all write to Ombudswoman Howell and complain about Milbank mocking the Queen’s visit, like folks did when he wore the orange hunting vest after Cheney shot an old man in the face?
TeddySanFran @ 188
I posted a link last thread to the guest list for the dinner. Interestingly, Pelosi and her hubby were the only Dems. and no Daddy or Bargoyle although not-jenna was invited.
Where is the verifiable evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program? Where?
Isreael still pushing hard for confrontation with Iran….
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..noped.html
Poppy and OldBar are going to be at the Brit Embassy dinner tomorrow nite. Perhaps Dim Son was worried the old man would barf on QEII. Thanks for the list — according to the WaPo it was “top-secret.” Didja notice that Liz Cheney (without any honorific) and her husband The Hon. Philip Perry were listed with the C’s?
Kathleen @ 190
It is in my left shoe, if you ask me nicely i will take it off and say, “My Foot!”
Shez @ 178
Well I do know that I was pretty severely cudgeled and called a troll on my first visit here, and I didn’t like it one bit.
LoudounLib @ 186
Did I write Snow – blushing brat – if I only had a brain! ;~)
TeddySanFran @ 191
Sure did. As well as Toothless Mitch and his wife together but not noted as spouses.
Our mods are trained to deal with expressions of bigotry, intentional or based on ignorance, in the threads. Given the rather blatant homophobia in the past comments in that thread, we all took it pretty easy on him. No one gets a pass to say that stuff here without pushback to anyone, and saying it to a front pager is not an exception. We’re community members, too.
His comments were not deleted or modified. But he got the feedback of the community. I could have dissected, line by line, the sulfurous homophobia of the comments I was fielding, but commenters got after him a bit so I didn’t have to, and anyway, I really wanted to keep a light hand, and I did.
One could argue that I should have dissected the homophobia line by line,for educational purposes, but when I’ve done that in my life as a front pager, that’s when people say I’m being a bully. So I let the community use humor to deal with the situation, rather than rancor. I’m quite pleased with the way it all went down.
RonD @ 119
Here’s Congressional Quarterlies prognosis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U…..ions,_2008
I tend to think that things will go one or two more seats in the Democrats favor. Republicans have to defend about 2 seats for each the Democrats currently hold. Several incumbents like Kansas’ Roberts, Sununu of NH, Mitch McConnell, Smith of Oregon, and Domenici of N. Mexico may be in trouble. But it really depends on who runs. Many of the Republicans haven’t declared yet and the Democrats have yet to field obvious contenders.
Gov. Sibelius of Kansas has just made a resounding statement with the above law…and the fact that it won so easily suggests that Kansas is swinging back against the Conservative tide.
Kathleen @ 124
It’s hard to know what goes on in the Intelligence Committees since many of their hearings are in secret and they have to agree on what can be declassified. And it seems that Rockefeller generally has run a tight ship with leaks. In fact the only major leaks seems to be coming from Republicans who are flipping out over defecftions by Hagel and Snowe to the Democratic majority (8-7) which gives the Dems on the Committee a 10-5 vote…good enough with the Chairs vote to prevent blocking actions.
Here’s the scoop from the fear-crazed Republican leakers (sometimes its good to see what they are saying, extracting the rhetorical bulldada). One can see the tide is turning.
http://www.americanthinker.com…..rt_ii.html
And here are some earlier statements from Rockefeller suggesting that two reports of the Committee will deal with treatment of captives and domestic surveillance. But I thought there was also a major section on how “policy-makers” used the material from the intelligence agencies and other sources forthcoming. That will deal with the issues of stovepiping, use of bogus sources,ignoring intelligence that contradicted pre-drawn conclusions, etc.
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/…..34970.html
http://www.realcities.com/mld/…..546019.htm
Shez @ 132
Yeah, how the hell are they going to determine that the woman is ovulating? Are they going to compel her to do a hormone test against her will? Are they going to interrogate her regarding her cycles? Or will they simply assume that any women not menstruating is “ovulating”?
“She refused to allow us to test! Or she gave ambiguous answers! So we have to assume that she is ovulating!”
What a bunch of Jesuitical misogynists!
This is awesome, Jane. I hope you’re feeling well.
Some of the Testimony on March 13 regarding the bill. If you skip to the way bottom you will see some of the citizen right to lifer objections.
Can someone explain to me why anyone who supported Ned Lamont, and is against Joe Liarman, would support the biggest Joe supporter of them all….namely, Mr. Obama?