
(Wildlife warning found here.)
Hats off to David Mills, writing as "Undercover Black Man", who lobbed a grenade into David Horowitz's little foxhole, "FrontPage Magazine" and got one especially nasty little racist toad taken right off the FP roster (via Wolcott). It's like they say, if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps is the one you hit.
What happened, Mr. Mills?
One year ago, right-wing activist David Horowitz seemed convinced that Lawrence Auster, an occasional contributor to his FrontPage Magazine website, trafficked in "racist" ideas. And he seemed to cast Auster out.
I had sent Horowitz and Jamie Glazov, FrontPage's managing editor, an 11-page letter detailing Auster's views on race, as expressed on Auster's own blog.
(For example, his description of black people collectively as "the savages.")
Concerning my letter, Horowitz emailed Glazov and me on May 14, 2006: "I think it's a persuasive argument for not running Auster unless he publicly repudiates these positions which are racist and offensive."
Sure enough, Auster's essays didn't appear in FrontPage Magazine after that.
Well, that seems unusually ethical and above-board for Horowitz. Maybe he-
Until today.
Oh.
Yes, Lawrence Auster is back, alerting David Horowitz's readers to an epidemic of black-on-white rape.
Well, it's not like that's a hot-button issue or anything. Nobody's ever used a mythical threat of black-on-white rape to foster race hatred and violence in the good ol' US of A, have they? Like, ever?
But what evidence do you have that Mr. Auster is a racist? Are you sure you're not overreacting, here?
His assessment of "black inferiority" was spelled out in an essay originally written in 1995 but published in 2003 in a racialist journal called The Occidental Quarterly. (It is archived on Auster's blog.)
Auster, convinced of "an inherent, dangerous weakness in black ways of thought," argued that blacks are profoundly different from white people.
"Through numerous experiences and observations, I started to have the sense that blacks are more 'non-objective,' they understand things in a much more personal, subjective way than whites," Auster wrote. "They seem to have much less interest in knowledge or beauty for its own sake." Which means that "blacks are in fact less endowed with the qualities that make civilization possible, particularly Western civilization."
Ohhhhh.
Well, clearly, Auster is a racist dickhead who dresses up what is basically 1850's Reconstruction Era racist cant in a tissue-thin veneer of academic language and then wants to know why liberals are so hysterical that they won't just sit down with him and calmly debate that blacks and other non-whites are morally and intellectually inferior to Great White Hunters like him. Mills is right to call out Horowitz on this one, for whatever Horowitz's intellectual and moral failings may be, he does at least try to play-act at respectability, and this tripe of Auster's is just a little too…obvious for FrontPage, methinks.
So, Horowitz moved to cut his ties with Auster.
And that's where the fun starts!
Let's go to Auster's blog, shall we? What's the little Uptighty Whitey got to say for himself?
Horowitz expels me from FrontPage
(Note: When I was first drafting this blog entry, I did not quote verbatim David Horowitz's e-mails to me, but paraphrased and summarized them. However, when I received his final e-mail, in which he totally refused to give any explanation for his behavior and rudely severed our relationship, at that point I felt I had the right to tell how he had conducted himself toward me, and the only way I could do that was to quote his e-mails in full.)
Oh, goody! *claps tiny forelimbs with delight* This ought to be fabulous! Why, there's absolutely nothing in the world I'd enjoy more tonight than a slap-fight between two men who are so histrionic and intellectually dishonest that they make DANGERSTEIN look like the goddamn Dalai Lama.
Here's how it started. This morning I wrote a friendly note to Israeli writer David Hornik, with a cc to David Horowitz, agreeing with Hornik's article today at FrontPage Magazine about the report on the Israeli government's actions in the war last summer. A few minutes later David Horowitz sent me a reply to that e-mail. Horowitz said:
Are you unaware that you have been attacked–and I through you–on Huffington Post?
He gave no further details, but I figured it was probably David Mills, the Undercover Black Man, who I knew from Google listings had been attacking me lately, though I had not actually read any of it.
Oh, bad call, Auster. Know thine enemy and all that.
That David Horowitz had had such an exchange with David Mills last year was news to me. Until my piece at FP this week on interracial rape, I had sent Horowitz several article submissions and article ideas over the last year, mostly dealing with the Islam issue (and none of them, to my memory, dealing with race), and they had all been rejected; I simply figured the pieces were not right for FP. Now it turned out that something else was going on. But I had had no way of knowing that. Horowitz, for whom I've been writing for over five years, and with whom over the years I have exchanged several hundreds of e-mails on intellectual topics in addition to e-mails relating to my work at FrontPage, had never told me about any of this.
On reading Mills's post, I wrote to Horowitz and asked him if he had sent such an e-mail to Mills. He responded with a one-word e-mail:
Yes.
Oh, "Professor" Horowitz. Surely you didn't think you could get away with just that, did you? You just told Auster you cheated on him with a (gasp!) LIBERAL WRITER! GACK!! Ah, god! He's not going to take that lying down!
I wrote back:
Doesn't this require more explanation from you? You never told me this. You never told me you weren't going to publish me unless I repudiated certain positions. You never forwarded to me the material from Mills that led you to decide you wouldn't publish me any more. You told David Mills, a complete stranger, that you weren't going to publish me any more, but you didn't tell me.
Further, since you decided, without telling me, that you wouldn't publish me any more, why are you still publishing me now?
Uh, obviously, Horowitz thought Dave Mills wasn't paying attention anymore and had some extra column inches to fill, and…
Horowitz replied:
Lawrence you're a big pain in the ass.
Someone please note the date and time. David Horowitz tells the truth!
One article from you takes more time and energy than 50 articles from 50 writers and gets me attacked and now is getting me the third degree from you. We have had many arguments over your racial attitudes as you know. I don't think you're the kind of racist this prick Mills describes you as (and if I can find it I will send you the email I sent him defending your current piece). But I do think you have made statements that are racist. I have a million enemies out there and I don't need attacks waiting to happen by publishing your stuff. I published this piece because I forgot my exchange with Mills last year and my overall impression of your work is that it is interesting if obtuse. I forgot I guess also how difficult you are to work with. I'd like to see you defend yourself against the charges Mills is making rather than attacking me.
In other words, "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!! I'm so big and important and now YOU want a piece of me?! Oh, thankless, thankless child! WAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!"
Now, for those of you keeping score at home, we have two fact-free, reactionary, histrionic Right Wing gasbags locking horns via email. Who do you think will call the other a Nazi or a Stalinist first? I'm putting my money on Auster. Of the two, he seems to be the less, shall we say, "restrained" in his rhetoric.
I replied:
You told this stranger a year ago that I was a racist and that you wouldn't publish me any more, and you never told me about this, and now, because I've found about this and have asked you to explain, you call me a "big pain in the ass"?
Is this really the way you want to address me? Is this the way you want to address this issue?
Hee! Here comes The Bluster, soon to be followed by The Threats, which will inevitably be followed by The Usual Tears and Recriminations. Right Wingers always talk the toughest right before the big fat tears leak from their eyes and roll down their flushed, overheated faces.
You write:
I'd like to see you defend yourself against the charges Mills is making rather than attacking me.
I've never ever heard about these charges until today, because you never told me about them. And now because I'm asking you to explain, you say that I'm attacking you?
Please think carefully before you reply and don't reply off the handle.
Or what, Lawrence? What are you going to do if Horowitz snots off at you? Send more angry emails? Round up your blog audience of eleven readers and systematically dismantle the Horowitz Media Empire? Cry like a baby? Hold your breath until you turn blue? Go all Fatal Attraction and boil his pets?
Four hours later, Horowitz replied:
Uh, you know Auster was hitting "Refresh" on his email account every ten seconds for the ENTIRE FOUR HOURS. Horowitz, you torturer!
I want you to go away Lawrence.
I can't believe that David Horowitz and I actually agree on something.
You have caused me more trouble than I care to think about and the fact that you're piling on me while I'm getting letters from my children asking me why I published a racist, and while I'm waiting to see this spread across the Internet, is more than I can handle right now.
Awwwwwww. Poor, poor, pitiful li'l bald-headed thing. It's hard work having to deal with the consequences of your little mealy-mouthed jihad, isn't it, Horowitz? You end up having to joust with Unabomber types like Auster, or else face ominous, vaguely worded threats! Oh, no!
I wrote back to him:
Groan. Of course you did, Lawrence. If there is one thing I have learned about contrary, attention-starved, high-maintenance assholes on the Web like yourself, it's that you will always, always, always have something else you'd like to add. Whether it's Jeff Goldstein, Gay Right Wing Blogger Ace at Ace of Spades, Dan Riehl, or Jules Crittendon, you always think that your next point is going to be the absolutely devastating Last Word, a ruthless rhetorical coup that will slay your opponent and leave him weeping in a pool of his own remorse.
Sadly, no. As is generally the case, your semiotic SCUD missile turns into a DUD missile and you just continue to bleat and wail like you were an hour ago, only more insistently.
I've just learned today, a year after the fact, that you had expelled me from FrontPage. You had not told me that you had expelled me; and you have not given me your reasons for expelling me, since you have not identified any statement of mine that you think is racist and offensive so that I could defend myself; and you have not told me why you never told me that you had expelled me. And when I ask for explanations for all this, you tell me that I am "a big pain in the ass," that I'm giving you the "third degree," that I'm "attacking" you, and that I'm "piling" on you, and then you tell me to "go away" as if I were some bum accosting you on the street.
Your behavior is shameful.
You, the great crusader against campus PC, have just behaved in the most outrageously PC manner I've ever seen in my life.
Doesn't he sound like your worst boyfriend/girlfriend ever in the last fight you had the patience to endure? "It's not that you cheated on me! It's that you LIIIIIED about it!"
Which is of course, total bs. Yeah, it's that you cheated. The lie was just the frosting on their overall Unhappy Cake. But, of course, the Prime Directive of Passive-Aggression is that you never, ever fight the real fight. You find a side-issue and then labor it until it bleeds.
But, hey, I lost my bet. Auster never called "Ho Ho" Horowitz a Nazi. Or even Leon Trotsky, let alone "Uncle" Joe Stalin. I'm so disappointed. Still, for one blinkered, ideological blowhard to call another blinkered, ideological blowhard "PC" is tantamount to invoking Godwin's Law, I should think.
If you'd care for some more (and who wouldn't?), you can follow the rest of this sad, sordid falling out in the myriad of posts and follow-up posts Auster has done in the process of nursing his resentment. In fact, it looks like he could keep this going for months.
It's almost enough to make you feel sorry for David Horowitz.
Except that it isn't. Those two deserve each other.
Good luck, little boys! If you're going to kill each other, take it out in the yard. We just had the rugs done in here.
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Nololo
ZeD☼
I still got skillz!
Trex!
WAy to go oddball!!!
Shootout at OK Corral
Congratulations oddball!
Good evening my friends.
oddball @ 4
love it!
Thank you, Thank you
Speaking of racists … did anyone see O’Falafel tonight? According to that putz, Soros rules the world. C & L has the low down. Someone please get O’Falafel his anti-psychotic meds.
Lawrence Auster makes me wish I had a daughter so I could forbid her to marry him.
(Another hat tip to Douglas Adams. Ah, Douglas, you went before your time.)
Lolo, you’ve just illustrated the principle of zedtropy.
Hi y’all. I was really hoping this would be about the queen’s visit, since that is what I blogged about today. Oh well. Read it if you like. Also here.
Texas Betsy @ 7
Hello.
I’ll apologize to all for vanishing last night. Sometime after the 200th post on any given thread, my dialup connection and I often end up in aggressive renegotiations. Last night, I was forced to make some concessions. Sorry about that.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 10
Nope. O’Reilly makes my inner child throw up.
TRex I do not understand a single sentence from your post except this one. “And that’s where the fun starts!”
SnarKassandra @ 13
Well done. I’m not sure which is more disturbing – her carbon footprint or hereditary monarch footprint.
Evening, Snarkaholic Fire Pups!
I don’t have a daughter either, but I will definite forbid my son from marrying him. Oh that’s right, my son lives in Oklahoma, so he won’t have a chance any way (besides, his lovely wife might object).
SnarKassandra @ 13
WOW…the Queen visited today? You see what you miss when you don’t turn on the TeeWee. *wink
EvilDrPuma @ 14
No problem. We do what we need to do.
SnarKassandra @ 13
All I want to know is, did Bush let HM the Queen ruin his garden. Because fair is fair, damn it.
DrDick @ 18
Let me talk to him. I think I can work something out.
Hi y’all, from QE II central. Did you get a load of Shrub in white tie and tails tonight?
Not sure what to make of this, but Trent Lott has joined the chorus of Republic senators and congressmen advising Commander Guy that his latest lunacy has a sell-by date.
http://my.earthlink.net/articl…..2092163629
Oh boy this is SO much fun to watch!
LoudounLib @ 23
Yeah, looked like a cheap imitation of The Penguin.
itwasntme @ 25
Isn’t it though? I love watching assholes autocannibalize.
The only attire in which I wish to see Commander Guy is an orange jumpsuit.
DrDick @ 26
Emphasis on “cheap imitation.” Most Batman villains are a bit smarter than Der Shrubbenfuhrer.
burnspbesq @ 28
Don’t forget the matching leg irons.
Picking up trash by the side of I-10, way out in West Texas.
TREX! But did you have to say:
I mean, us chrome domes have enough problems without having to contend with domehead bashing. :}(
SnarKassandra @ 16
Picture grown men having a pillowfight, except more ridiculous.
DrDick @ 30
I think Bush and all his cronies should be forced to dress as the Beagle Boys when they finally go to the pokey.
EvilDrPuma @ 29
But only a bit.
Mutant Poodle @ 33
It really is something out of a Monty Python skit.
Hey, TRex,
I too had a little run-in with lil Dave Horowitz a while back. Well, actually 2 run-ins, via email.
He’s clearly an idiot.
Here is one post.
Here is the other.
There’s nothing ridiculous about a grown man having a pillowfight — so long as it’s with a kid under the age of six and he lets the kid win.
Oy. The Republican “presidential” debate was so dull that even Jon Stewart couldn’t make it funny.
The Beagle Boys! A great name from the past. Some friends and I once dressed up as the Beagle Boys and went to a Halloween party.
SteveAudio @ 37
Personally, I try to avoid the man like the plague (which is sort of insulting to the plague). His dimwitted acolytes tried to stir things up here at my university a while back, but got basically nowhere. I actually think much of our student body is more progressive than the faculty.
SnarKassandra @ 13
Hey Cassie – nice post.
If you want to have you some British Royalty background, rent The Queen. Great film, and it’ll answer some of your question (and probably raise a few more).
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 10
I may be hopelessly out of touch but before O’Reilly started his nonsense, I had never heard of George Soros. I still don’t know much about him except that he must be some evil mastermind with oodles of money looking to destroy America.
Spa-lash. Evening all. Fine dissection of the pillow fight, TRex.
SteveAudio @ 37
The stupid – it burns!
Suzanne @ 44
Good evening Suzanne. Have your waterproof pillow with you?
Evening, gang!
My, you’re fast tonight!
Mutant Poodle @ 42
And if you’re interested in the famous Queen Elizabeth I, I recommend the equally famous Blackadder II. Actually, I recommend all things Blackadder.
Not that I actually want to look too closely at this. nut Auster – despite being a putz – actually has a point. What sort of schmuck bans you from his blog/publication/mimeographed newsletter/handwritten screed covering front and back of college ruled notebook paper with no white spaces or punctuation and doesn’t tell you about it for a year?
DrDick @ 41
I actually initiated the whole thing by leaving a comment at his site.
I didn’t call him an idiot, I just pointed out his hypocrisy.
He emailed my back, I responded, eventually he admitted that he was a hypocrite, but that it was OK…you’d have to read the post to make any sense of it, sadly.
trex, I know why you are having so much fun and I know why you published this echange, emboldens are mine
hehe
you saw that and said to yourslf;
*trex old pal, davids worst nighmare is seeing this exchange broadcast around the country, and you can do just that*
and then you did
great fun I must say
burnspbesq @ 38
OK – which of these two is the six-year-old?
TRICK QUESTION! They both are!
lolo @ 2
Denied Again, lolo??? Bwaahaha!!! OOPS, TRex!!!!!
TRex @ 47
It isn’t pretty being easy.
That was what you meant, right?
TRex @ 47
Dude: (as the kidz say)
Find that CD yet?
Patrick 4/4, that no spaces broke the margins. Everyone refresh – they should be fixed :)
Mutant Poodle @ 45
Whorowitz is pretty stupid but unfortunately he brings out the stupid in state legislators too.
In honor of the Tasmanian Devil, a clip from the best band ever to come out of Oz.
Midnight Oil
Suzanne @ 44
Evening, Ma’am, I’ll be on my best behavior, tonite!!! *g*
Suzanne @ 56
I sorry.
Bush accused the queen of bein around in 1776– just another day in loserland.
*bows deeply*
My work here is done.
burnspbesq @ 58
Love Midnight Oil!
“Through numerous experiences and observations, I started to have the sense that blacks are more ‘non-objective,’ they understand things in a much more personal, subjective way than whites,” Auster wrote. “They seem to have much less interest in knowledge or beauty for its own sake.” Which means that “blacks are in fact less endowed with the qualities that make civilization possible, particularly Western civilization.”
Did he just call black people republics?
rwcole @ 61
Sigh. If only that was the dumbest thing he’d ever done.
start_beating_around_the_bush @ 64
Ack! That is really going too low, even for a racist bastard.
start_beating_around_the_bush @ 64
That would sure-as-shit piss me off…
rwcole @ 61
And then he had the effrontery to wink at her. What a doofus.
Mutant Poodle @ 65
Actually, it is several steps up from the Merkle massage. I have never seen such a horrified look on anyone’s face as on hers.
Mutant Poodle @ 33
Aah, I see, I see, said the Blind man… I was in a sudden echo chamber, the silence was deafening, Poor Jim….
LoudounLib @ 68
Dickhead.
Have any FDL’ers gotten their Soros paycheck this week? Musta been some mix-up at MoveOn. *grin
evenin’ late nighters
drivin by before retirin’ – wanted to leave this for EDP in the unlikely event he hasn’t caught the buzz yet
Evil Dr. Puma,
Archaeologist Finds King Herod’s Tomb
thought of you and cleter immediately – hope it is as splashy as it looks :)
nighty night, mad progressive love y’all
My brother is 23 and he has pillow fights with my cousin who is 12 and sometimes I also do, but I tend to get smothered too easy.
Lou Costello @ 72
Nope. Methinks O’Really is having an Elders of Zion moment here.
SnarKassandra @ 74
Stick and move, Cassie, stick and move.
I love it when TRex clues us in to all the right-on-right action. Or should that be reich-on-reich? I’d never survive reading all this crap by myself, and TRex’s narrative makes it all readable.
Here’s my favorite:
Next, he’ll complain “you have not told me why you have not told me why you never told me….” Sorta like those Russian nesting dolls, there’s always another complaint imbedded therein.
TRex @ 62
and fine work it was, too.
TRex @ 71
Ask Merkel about her ‘massage’, at least he only winked… Doh!!!!
SnarKassandra @ 74
Think really old farts with no sense of humor (or anything else) having a pillow fight (and no fun at all).
Lou Costello @ 72
I know. I’m two payments behind on my Lambourgini. It ain’t right.
TRex @ 71
My sentiments exactly.
PS And re cheating and lying — has anyone ever come home to a monogamous mate and said, “Hi, honey, I’m home from cheating on you but I’m not lying about it!” and gotten off any easier than if they cheat, lie, and get caught? No, I didn’t think so.
Lou Costello @ 72
No, dammit, and I was hoping for that…I need that bridge to early retirement! ;-)
what a drama queen. thought the point of the internet is that you don’t have to rely on anyone else to publish you.
cbl @ 73
Actually, I didn’t know about it…but this seems to be a step or two up the credibility scale from a lot of the Biblical archaeology we’ve seen in recent years. (I still don’t know how the James ossuary could fool any thinking human. I could tell the inscription was in two different hands, and I can’t read a single letter of Aramaic.)
Lou Costello @ 72
I’m tellin Ya, Lou!!! As Faux News has it, half the posters, fugetabout the commenters, are raking in the Moolah!!! Oh mighty Soros…..
Please consider this the do not quote comments that have comments already quoted and/or comments that have links comment. The margins will thank you and you will be helping prevent the return of the cranky mod.
TeddySanFran @ 77
Next, he’ll complain “you have not told me why you have not told me why you never told me….” Sorta like those Russian nesting dolls, there’s always another complaint imbedded therein.
When I got to end of the post I could just visualize the guy breaking down in tears, sort like “you don’t love me anymore” kinda thing.
Pathetic… .
TRex @ 81
Uh-oh Lou, I mighta spoke too soon….
Suzanne @ 89
Doh….
When I got to end of the post I could just visualize the guy breaking down in tears, sort like “you don’t love me anymore” kinda thing.
Pathetic… .
All those tear stains the poor guy is going to have to remove from his white sheet-like attire.
CTuttle @ 92
Right over here in this corner CTuttle…
Speaking of pillowfights …
big business for health insurance reform
Suzanne @ 89
Do you ever get the feeling some *sip, ok, swig* enjoy the chastisement?
Patrick 4/4 @ 94
Oh No!!! I’ve incurred the wrath!!! :((
burnspbesq @ 95
Sounds a bit more like mud wrestling to me.
“right-on-right action.”
Teddy, Teddy, Teddy. Don’t you know that you can get arrested for possession of that filth? Even in San Francisco, there are limits.
Suzanne @ 89
With all due respect…I’ve never seen these broken margins that you speak of and I was wondereing if there isn’t a way your programmers could fix it so commenters couldn’t do anything that would screw up the thread.
Just askin’ (especially because I always link).
Well, I don’t know much about this nutcase Auster, but from reading Mr. TRex’s article, this guy sounds alot like another nutcase from some years ago.
There was a professor….hmmm….Shockley?….I think that was his name. In any event, that professor held much the same stupid beliefs as Auster. Gosh….wonder if Auster also PLAGIARIZED from that nutcase professor? Oh, who knows. But this little pissing contest outlined in the article is devine entertainment.
Ghostman
burnspbesq @ 99
Yeah, you’ll have Interpol down on all of us for things like that.
AZ Matt — think how pathetic he must be to have to go to Horowitz fer love.
This is why Bush wants to bomb Iran, he is afraid of students voting. It might spread: NYT
DrDick @ 102
Yeah, you’ll have Interpol down on all of us for things like that.
Mmmm….Interpol… Hey, are they the ones clogging the toobz?
burnspbesq @ 58
Didn’t AC/DC come from Down Under?
start_beating_around_the_bush @ 96
*Swig* Sure do!!! Hic!!! You should drop the ‘around’!!! lol!!!
*MOD NOTE: bold tag closed
TeddySanFran @ 103
Probably Whorowitz was worried he would want alimony! *g*
Hide that right-on-right stuff under this stack of Mother Jones and High Times. You wouldn’t want your friends to find out you’re one of them, would you?
Lou C – when the comments are quoted it narrows the width of the comment inside. If there is a long link inside and it is quoted and then requoted it can bust the margins. Depending on your screen settings, some see it sooner than others. The page will no longer fit in the window.
Been following the Auster story over at UBM. Mills’s “race-crazy” tag really does sum it up. That, and DrDick @27:
Hee. Yes.
Ghostman @ 101
Unfortunately, this BS has been circulating in various forms since the late 19th century. It provided the basis for the eugenics movement in the early 20th century. It is also the basis for the wretched Bell Curve (which actually builds on research done by a British psychologist named Jenkins (?), who sought to prove that working class Brits were congenitally unfit for self governance).
CTuttle @ 91
I think someone should make that an entry on Wikipedia, just like Friedman Unit is.
Lots of open bold tags tonight folks. Please check to make sure all the tags are closed. Thanks
EPU’d:
TeddySanFran @ 106
Suzanne @ 110
(the unspoken end of this sentence is: if you have a PC instead of a MAC)
just sayin.
Damn it, AZ Matt, you always have to rain on the parade!!! Sheesh!!! Gloom and Doom….
DrDick @ 112
Ah, The Bell Curve. Did you ever chance to look at the “revised” edition of Stephen Jay Gould’s The Mismeasure of Man? It was “revised” in the sense that Gould added a new foreword and several essays gleefully pointing out that he had already refuted Herrnstein and Murray more than a decade before they ever went to press.
TeddySanFran @ 115
Too true. She has had me giggling all day. A welcome relief from grade finals, I must say.
TeddySanFran @ 114
Love the look on Nancy Reagan’s face!
How the Inca Leapt Canyons
Intersting story in the NYT’s on Inca bridge building technology. Pach knows all of this of course!
If anyone missed the link to d r i f t g l a s s yesterday in the ‘Face the Snark’ post, go now!
Not Cassie-safe. *wink
TeddySanFran @ 116
We’ve had probs with firefox on the mac as well.
EvilDrPuma @ 118
I have actually used some of those chapters in my race and ethnicity class.
Well, now it all makes sense: when he was a kid, David Brooks had pet turtles named Disraeli and Gladstone.
DrDick @ 124
They’re well worth it. But then again, Gould was always worth it. I miss that man.
Okay, gang. Heading home.
See you in a bit.
EvilDrPuma @ 126
Indeed.
G’night T, I’ll be outta here by the time you get home. Safe travels!
Here in Tasmania the little Devils are suffering from a swiftly spreading disease that causes cancerous growths which disfigure their faces and, I belive, are incredibly painful. I mention this only because I cannot help but picture Auster (and many other Reich-wing racists) with a horribly disfigured expression on his face. Sometimes I can’t help but hope that people who spew such filth are kept awake at night by their own painful conscience. But I know that that assumes they have a conscience. Sigh. I also wish the Tassie Devils didn’t have this awful disease.
Suzanne @ 110
I understand the concept Suzane and I guess I’m just lucky to have a nice monitor set to a hi-rez so I’ve never seen the margins bust. It’s just that being able to quote the comment you’re replying to makes for a much better conversation. It kinda irks me to see a single comment that’s an answer to a previous comment way up thread with no point back to the original. If I wanted that, I be at Atrios. LOL (I was asked by RBG(?) to please embed my links, easy enough)
Hhmmmm @ 130
The difference is that Auster and his ilk are born that way and their disfigurement is self-imposed, unlike the Tasmanian devisl, who do not deserve this.
Re: DrDick@132,
I fear that Auster et al. were taught to be that way rather than born that way, alas.
Lou Costello @ 131
Unembedded links are indeed one problem, but more common is the quote of a quote of a quote . . . which can happen easily on threads like Late Nite when one pun invites the next, leading the first punster to retaliate. The next thing you know, the margins are gone.
The easy solution is to cut out one (or more) of the inner quotations, leaving enough context to help your reply make sense.
Hhmmmm @ 133
I have to agree with that. Auster made have been born predisposed to being an asshole, but the odds are that he was rewarded for being an asshole somewhere along the line.
julia @ 135
This is true.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 10
Did he have any new charts?
Note the Freudian slip in Larry Auster’s scribblings:
“blacks are in fact less endowed with the qualities that make civilization possible, particularly Western civilization.”
As Jesus’ General would say, Larry is unsatisfied with his little soldier, which probably has trouble standing at attention as well. White racists typically have an inferiority complex about this issue in particular, and Larry subconsciously gets a charge outta saying, “blacks are in fact less endowed.” All the other white racists nod in agreement, then sob uncontrollably.
Hey all! Nice post as always, TRex. Any chance Auster and Coulter might hook up? They seem like the perfect couple. Oh yeah, I forgot that Ann is a good Christian who obviously must be a virgin because she’s single and waiting until marriage, just like all good right-wing Christians. Too bad, I guess Auster won’t be able to score.
OT: Gotta send my hockey condolonces to newtonusr – your Sharks played very well, and frankly I’m surprised they were eliminated by my team tonight. I expected a different outcome to the series.
Off to bed… g’nite!
C&L has the Oraley/Soros clip up.
Suzanne @ 140
You left out the spew warning.
bonkers @ 138
Does “endowed” mean physical or intelligence?
Patrick 4/4 @ 49
Somebody who avoids fights except the ones he starts himself. Horowitz can pretend he’s not doing it because he calls his site a “magazine,” so he can just not accept any “submissions” from this guy, but he’s still just using that as an excuse to duck an argument.
On the other side of the crazy pair, how clueless do you have to be to go from front-paged to banned and not realize it for a year, and then only when someone points it out to you?
burnspbesq @ 58
I beg to differ
;>)
…And I’m still waiting on my FOX check for using my artwork without permission – The Soros delay, I’ll just chalk up to the usual tardiness among the rich – They’re such children.
;>)
Hi everybody. S #142-not usually.
Does front page mean that you can post there?
SnarKassandra @ 142
Looks to me like Auster is encompassing both intelligence and moral qualities. Racist eugenicists tend to believe that moral characteristics are unvarying, genetically determined traits…even though “unvarying, genetically determined traits” are a contradiction in terms and morality is learned.
looks like salon.com may have dropped a turd in the punchbowl:
EvilDrPuma @ 147
They are just stupid then.
Good night.
Sorry, Peterr. I figured the fact that oraley was in it was in and of itself a spew warning. On the other hand, I have been practicing keeping a completely innocent look on my face :)
Night, Cassie. And, yes, they are just stupid.
How beautiful to see this guy glommed onto Horowitz. Horowitz has been snobbishly, intellectually dishonest for longer than I care to think about, and I can’t think of many who deserve it more. Thank you T-Rex!
SnarKassandra @ 149
SnarKassandra @ 149
Yes, coming from a historically long line of stupid. A tale for another day.
‘Night, Cassie.
G’night, Snk. Sleep well.
punaise @ 148
They’re still talking about Rahm’s salvatory strategy of pouring money into strategically chosen losing candidates?
darkblack, have you challenged FOX on the use of your work? You should, you know.
Weird question (or maybe not) – is teh stooopid genetic, or acquired?
Redshift @ 143
I picture him waiting by the phone/inbox wondering, “Why doesn’t he call me? We used to be so close. Should I call him? Change my hairstyle? Annotate The Bell Curve? David tell me what you want – I can be that guy…”
Eugene Robinson has a nice little look at the GOP debate in tomorrow’s WaPo. It starts like this:
With a crew like that, Auster would no doubt have felt right at home at the Reagan library last week.
The Dems debate that included Hillary, Obama, and Richardson, on the other hand, would have made him very, very nervous, what with the impending collapse of western civilization and all.
TRex, you must have a strong stomach to wander into those rightwing pastures looking for something like Auster and Horowitz to chew on.
That’s what I was thinking. And yes, Horowitz is a big old chicken to avoid telling Auster he was done with him.
Enjoy your little spat, fellas. We are!
And Trex, you are in fine, fine form tonight, as always:
That’s so mean I shouldn’t laugh at that, but I am. Oh, yes I am. :)
LoudounLib @ 158
Stupid is acquired. Mental disabilities are at least partly genetically determined.
EvilDrPuma @ 162
And may I say, that this bunch has worked very hard at it.
DrDick @ 163
You may.
Thanks EDP, I probably should have said that was a rhetorical question ;-) Just a late nite musing.
TeddySanFran @ 116
Ohhh, NOW I get it! I’ve been wonderin’ just what the heck this “bust the margins” thing was about, and I could never get an adequate explaination for it. But I have a Mac. Oops. Did I bust a margin? Sorry.
LoudounLib @ 165
I don’t believe in rhetorical questions. :-P
And what is the difference between STUPID, STOOPID & WILLFULLY IGNORANT?
:-) EDP
punaise @ 148
Found a homeboy to do his legend rehab, eh?
;>)
TeddySanFran @ 157
They have more money than many monied men, Teddy… I, by contrast, lease-to-own the air I breathe.
As my last name is not Quixote, that windmill must remain untilted…for now.
:)
Texas Betsy @ 168
I don’t bother with distinctions like that.
Pelosi for Peacepunaise @ 148
Don’t turn you back on Rahm. He’s a fox in the hen house. We know where his real loyalties lie. Dean’s 50 state strategy was the winner in ‘06. That and a bunch of GOP losers following Chimpy into the sandbox he calls Iraq.
Texas Betsy @ 168
Actually, I normally use “stupid” to refer to mental deficiencies, which are sometimes genetic. Much of what falls under heading of Teh Stoopid is actually ignorance or self-delusion, both of which are acquired. And, yes, this bunch are monumentally and aggressively willfully ignorant.
Peterr @ 141
I’m still laughing, If I’m spewing Father, It’s in a modest way!!! Bwaahahaha!!!!!! Can’t you just smell Billo’s Fear!!!!
[Mod Note; please understand that the close tag…in other words, the backslash inside the brackets, goes at the end of your html formatting…not the other way around.]
burnspbesq @ 58
Yeah! We saw the tour in the summer of ‘93, just post-Reagan/Bush, and at the first break, Peter Garrett said “your country has recently emerged from a long dark time.” Unfortunately, he had no way of knowing the nightmare would return, but I was thinking of that a lot this past November, and playing Midnight Oil as campaigning theme music.
Sadly, they’ve broken up now, but at least it’s for a good reason — Peter Garrett is in Parliament. (This Parliament, not that Parliament.)
CT you are reversing your tags.. the one with the / goes at the END not at the beginning.
DrDick,
That willfull ignorance i just can’t imagine. My family encouraged curiousity about everything. The reason why i still have that curiousity and that willingness to learn and adapt is because of that.
*shudders* Being that stagnant in mind and self is just a pure anaethma to me, and likely many others here.
Redshift @ 137
I don’t have the stomach to watch it. This sounds like a replay of the 19th-early 20th century “International Jew” meme. Billo just had to substitute Soros for Rothschild and his script was already written. I can’t believe that Abe Foxman and the ADL aren’t all over this guy.
Texas Betsy @ 168
er … Tommy Thompson, Dumbya & Tenet?
Well, Fire Pups, it’s an early night for me. Tomorrow brings more of the joy which is finals week. About 100 essay exams to grade between now and next Monday. Glad I mastered speed reading in graduate school.
Re Rahm:
He’s an asshole, but he’s our asshole.
I’d rather win and need a shower, thank you very much. A good loss is still a loss.
Good luck with that, Dr D!
DrDick @ 180
Have a fun time. How many more days?
Suzanne @ 176
Uhoh, Whadda I do???
Petrocelli @ 178
I’d put Dubya in willfully ignorant. At least that was Molly Ivins’ assessment, if I remember the quote correctly, “Bush isn’t stupid, but he’s willfully ignorant and proud of it.”
CT, when you wanted to bold the word smell you typed in the code for “close bold tag smell open bold tag”
Suzanne @ 187
Roger, Ma’am! ;)
Oh, I keep forgetting to mention — For DC-area people, Ms. Redshift is DJing at the Code Pink party on Thursday night (kickoff for the Mother’s Day weekend antiwar actions.) She’s really good; everyone should come on out!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 106
is the pope bavarian ?
TeddySanFran @ 116
Thanks for the explanation..I got a rap on the knuckles yesterday by the mods..I’m on a Mac with a 30′ screen so I guess I don’t see it.
punaise @ 148
It’s a book review of an attempt at creating a hagiographic legend, all right. As one raised in Illinois, I am disgusted with how all Illinoisians, and all IL politicians, are lumped into the Daley/Chicago machine so beloved by Rahm. “In Illinois, politics is not about ideology. Politics is about winning elections so you can give jobs to your family and contracts to your friends.”
Ever heard of Paul Simon, anyone?
The worrisome part to me, though, is the very end of the review:
More reason to make it clear who won the seats that put Nancy Pelosi in the Speaker’s chair.
Steve —- I am having screen envy!
On the other hand, I can carry this mac in the little pouch under my wheelchair.
But 30 inches, oooh!
Lou Costello @ 122
driftglass is always heady brew ……
G’night all, the Bush economy means I have to work overtime tomorrow (or rather, later today). Peace!
LoudounLib @ 195
Sleep well LL
thanks TB, you too :-)
julia @ 135
but sometimes and asshole is just an asshole.
– siggie freud
OT.. but the killed US prosecutors may be getting some traction.
U.S. attorney John McKay may have been fired for a reason so unspeakably vile that it would be unbelievable–if it didn’t involve the Bush regime
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..-been.html
Texas Betsy @ 193
Went through a year of eye surgeries and it really helped; otherwise it is obscene.
I’m still watching ‘American Blackout’ on Google video. What they put Cynthia McKinney thru was criminal. I guess that’s just the GOP way. You can see it all coming out in the wash/USA scandal. Death to the Permanent Repuglican Majority.
Ohhh, but their pain to me is like drops of the sweetest, most precious nectar squeezed from the rarest, most delicious of fruits. I am powerless to resist.
Bon Appetit!
(# 37)
kirk murphy @ 203
But we don’t need to improve food safety! AGH!
This thread is a good illustration of something I brought up earlier today:
365
Bob Schacht says:
What TRex documents very thoroughly here is male discourse style, and if you read the books by Tannen, IIRC, you should recognize what’s going on.
We were treated to a demonstration of male discourse style at the end of this same prior thread, say from #373 to 390. The most important thing in classic male discourse style is that one must be right at all costs. Relationships don’t matter, politeness doesn’t matter, group feel-good doesn’t matter. What matters to men is BEING RIGHT, and the heck with everything else. Jane put up with it for a while, but then turned to snark instead of continuing the food fight.
IIRC, women’s discourse style tends to pay more attention to the relationships involved. In other words, there’s a recognition that the discourse occurs in a social context, and that context is more important than the mere outcome of a particular discourse outcome. But I’m open to correction on that.
Of course, we’re speaking of general tendencies here, not absolute rules. Men can be kind and sensitive, and women can be bitches (Ann Coulter comes to mind. In fact that photoshopped pix of her with the sea lamprey mouth has formed an indelible impression in my mind).
Bob in HI
Fascinating. I am often aware of how kids and teens communicate differently according to gender, but have never considered how it might apply to adults.
What I find
difficultawkward here is that I often do not know who is male and who is female.Texas Betsy @ 206
Muaahahahhahahaha! The plan is working…
The infamous xx/xy question has come up before. Some names (like mine) are easy. Others are very gender neutral.
Off topic —
There WAS a conspiracy!
When the Gun Smokes and the Press Doesn’t Smell It
Media Silence on Kent State Revelations
By BOB FITRAKIS and HARVEY WASSERMAN
From Counterpunch
The 1970 killings by National Guardsmen of four students during a peaceful anti-war demonstration at Kent State University have now been shown to be cold-blooded, premeditated official murder. But the definitive proof of this monumental historic reality is not, apparently, worthy of significant analysis or comment in today’s mainstream media.
After 37 years of official denial and cover-up, tape-recorded evidence, that has existed for decades and has been in the possession of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), has finally been made public.
It proves what “conspiracy theorists” have argued since 1970—that there was a direct military order leading to the unprovoked assassination of unarmed students. Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) documents show collusion between Ohio Governor James A. Rhodes and the FBI that aimed to terrorize anti-war demonstrators and their protests that were raging throughout the nation.
It is difficult to overstate the political and cultural impact of the killing of the four Kent State students and wounding of nine more on May 4, 1970. The nation’s campuses were on fire over Richard Nixon’s illegal invasion of Cambodia. Scores of universities were ripped apart by mass demonstrations and student strikes. The ROTC building at Kent burned down. The vast majority of American college campuses were closed in the aftermath, either by student strikes or official edicts.
Nixon was elected president in 1968 claiming to have a “secret plan” to end the war in Southeast Asia. But the revelation that he was in fact escalating it with the illegal bombing of what had been a peaceful non-combatant nation was more than Americans could bear.
As the ferocity of the opposition spread deep into the grassroots, Nixon’s Vice President, Spiro Agnew, shot back in a series of speeches. He referred to student demonstrators as Nazi “brownshirts” and suggested that college administrators and law enforcement should “act accordingly.”
On May 3, 1970—the day before National Guardsmen under his purview opened fire at Kent State–Rhodes echoed Agnew’s remarks by referring to student demonstrators as “the strongest, well-trained militant revolutionary group that has ever assembled in America They’re worse than the brownshirts and the Communist element and the night riders and the vigilantes. They are the worst type of people that we harbor in America.”
(snip)
kirk murphy @ 202
I don’t understand..they are mixing problems…premature birth maybe..birth defects most likely in the first trimester’ which would be fall or early winter.
What ever the data, another reason why corn to ethanol to motor car full is a bad idea.
Suzanne @ 208
Girls are icky and smell funny. *wink (I’m a baaaaaaad boy.)
Equally off topic
Atheists go on the political offensive in God-fearing US
By Tim Shipman in Washington, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:43am BST 07/05/2007
By day, Joe Zamecki works as a landscaper and valet in Austin, capital of George W Bush’s home state of Texas, which is regarded by many natives as God’s own country.
In his spare time, however, he is quietly working to undermine the dominance of America’s God-fearing majority. He is one among a growing band of “out” atheists, and wants a US that is “one nation under no god”.
Atheists observing a Day of Reason, atheists go on the political offensive in God-fearing US
Atheists in Idaho observe a National Day of Reason on America’s National Prayer Day
On Thursday, while Christian Americans were celebrating National Prayer Day, Mr Zamecki, the state director of American Atheists, was leading a demonstration against the public display of the words “In God We Trust” in the state legislature.
Atheist groups from Los Angeles to Little Rock observed a National Day of Reason instead.
Groups including Atheists for Human Rights and Atheist Alliance International – “Call 1-866-HERETIC” – are setting up summer camps and an internet recruiting campaign.
Mr Zamecki told The Sunday Telegraph: “We are seeing support for atheist groups grow. Those with no religious affiliation are the fastest-growing group in America, more even than Muslims.”
Official figures show the ranks of the non-religious have doubled to 13 per cent, or 30 million people, since 1990.
Now a hard core of five million atheists is seeking the political clout that has made Christian conservatives and the Jewish lobby powerhouses in Washington politics.
Auster is as obvious as a blinking neon sign:
*RACIST* (racist) *RACIST* (racist) *RACIST*
That Auster was afflicted with the dullness for nary a year before being clued-in that he wasn’t on Team Horowitz anymore – that’s not surprising. Auster seems like a decal on the underside of Horowitz’ side-view mirrow, or a barnacle that latched onto his hull a while back.
What is surprising, imho, is that Horowitz EVAH had Auster on his team! Let’s face it – Auster’s only talent IS being a mediocre paper-mache-science racist. Whatever Auster might think he’s saying – even dressed-up in faux academic garb – everyone hears him calling the Hate Dance, using the code words to throw gas on fire. He hasn’t apparently ever been anything different.
So, when was it – ever – to Horowitz’ advantage to associate with Auster?
Texas Betsy @ 208
Disgusting.
Being a grasping fraud has a way of making for strange bedfellows.
What are the odds on the Hate Crimes Bill?
Any bets?
Well, folks, I’m off to beddy-bye. Be excellent to each other.
EvilDrPuma @ 217
Sleep well Evil Doc.
Patrick 4/4 @ 207
The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy!!!!
Steve @ 198
Mon dieu – appreciate the link but can’t recall a more chilling post since the outing of Valerie Plame but at least she lived to tell her story. Nor do I understand that the only comment thus far was the one I just left on the post. Bookmark the linky firepups and read it as soon as possible.
TexasBetsy, Here’s one in your neck of the woods:
New Tape Suggests Kennedy Assassination Inside Job
TribeScribe @ 216
Slim, to none, sadly it’ll be Shrub’s Third veto!!!
TRex @ 201
On behalf of those of us who dare not venture into the loathsome, squalid, fetid dens of the right-wing rabid weasels for fear of burst blood vessels, nosebleeds and such, I thank you.
Bob Schacht @ 204
It seems neither sex has a monopoly on “right fighting.”
It is a debate style, albeit a relatively unsophisticated one.
I’ve always found improv rules helpful for getting people out of their bunkers.
You have to find a way to offer a sincere yes to some part of their viewpoint and
then rejoin them with yours (”Yes, and”)
As I said in EPU land on the HRC thread,
what on earth did we expect to accomplish in 15 minutes?
Having promised “update” of Feb. column predicting Bush “comeback,” Broder did not mention it
During a May 4 washingtonpost.com online chat, Washington Post columnist David Broder told readers that his then-upcoming May 6 column would be his “best effort at an update” to his February 16 column in which he asserted that President Bush was “poised for a political comeback.” In his May 6 column, titled “A War the Public Will End,” Broder did not in any way address his assertion that Bush had been “poised for a comeback,” much less note that the predicted comeback did not occur. Rather, in that column, Broder took the position that Bush has a short-term advantage over Democrats on Iraq because Bush “has a clear plan” for the war strategy, whereas “[t]he Democratic-controlled Congress … lacks agreement on any such plan.” Broder asserted that Bush’s “high-risk policy” of “apply[ing] more military force in and around Baghdad in hopes of suppressing the sectarian violence and creating space for the Iraqi politicians to assemble a functioning government,” had “no guarantee of success. But it is a clear strategy.
(continues)
In the lull here, I went back up and was rereading the post . . .
“But, of course, the Prime Directive of Passive-Aggression is that you never, ever fight the real fight. You find a side-issue and then labor it until it bleeds.”
Can you say “Iraq war debate”? Sure you can.
I am turning in early tonight. Have fun y’all!
Texas Betsy @ 226
You too, Aunt Betsy!
EvilDrPuma @ 161
OK, I was going to skim all the comments before commenting, but I gotta stop here. Your first sentence is flat-out wrong and your second sentence is only partly right on a technicality. I could do a 2000 word essay here, but that would be overkill. Let’s just say we differ where on the dial “partly” rests.
Let me just suggest one of the categories out of the many that poke holes in your sweeping generalization.
The largest known source of mental retardation is Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. This is not genetic, but happens when women drink while pregnant, especially early on, before signs of pregnancy are evident, but also in all other trimesters as well. The alcohol messes up the developing brain of the fetus.
And just what category of mental disability is it that you think is primarily genetic?
Again, I am not dismissing the role of genetics entirely; but statements like yours are so ugly I could not let it pass.
Maybe I’ll see downstairs someone else who has poked holes in your theory; if so, sorry for my lack of patience.
Bob in HI
Peterr @ 225
BINGO.
Also known as the Land of Cowardice and “As If.”
This Trifecta CF is not only about positioning and profiteering,
it is earning George his Red Badge of Courage.
Trex, you rock!
OT but of vital importance to the central California coast environment. Clint Eastwood and Peter Uberroth (among other corporate moguls) Pebble Beach Company is about to seal the deal for approval of the California Coastal Commission State commisioners on PBC’s nefarious plan to destroy the last standing old growth coastal Monterey Pine forest on the west coast. Gov. Ahnold has helped his corporate and Hollywood compadres by appointing a conservative majority of recent Coastal Commission members and not reappointing veteran Commissioners who were on record they would deny approval.
Our last best hope is to find swift contact information – preferably email contact with journalist Andrew Gumbel who wrote the first story warning readers of the dangers of this project years ago. If any late nite firepups can help locate the email address for Andrew Gumbel please forward same to me, newspaperbratATgmailDOTcom asap.
For the whole sordid history google the citizens activist site concerned residents of pebble beach and monterey county
Thanks for indulging this interruption but we locals are getting rather desperate for reality based reporting on this unspeakable abuse of power by Dirty Harry and his uber-rich posse of fellow rethuglicans.
The whole bunch of them think nothing of taking down 20,000 trees for another 18 hole championship golf course and plush resort and other fragile flora and fauna for profit and ego and pride inside the gates to Pebble Beach on the Monterey coast between Carmel, Monterey and Pacific Grove.
They’ve gamed a permanent majority of our county Board of Supervisors, Planning Commissioners, staff and duped the public with a phoney baloney Measure A, and now have the governator in their pocket as well. Our last hope truly is the independent media and fearless reporting by real reporters.
Our State Democratic leadership is in their grasp as well and since Eastwood and his powerful PBC fellow boardmembers invite our state leadership to PB for golf and hospitality each spring where they raise thousands of dollars for their coffers since the Eastwood/Uberroth and Arnold Palmer and other CEO’s formed PBC’s board of directors.
Keep Horowitz’ feet to the fire!
Peterr @ 226
I’ll give you an, Amen, Reverend!!!
I’m not lurking, just scuba diving here at the lake. Funny but I can hear every post down there. Oh yeah TRex does so rock!
OK, having actually gone back to read the piece on Rahm Emmanuel, I retract my slur aimed at salon.com. I gladly transfer said scorn to the author, and more particularly, the subject of the apparent hagiography reviewed in the article.
This snippet from the review was noteworthy:
As it turned out, Emanuel was just the kind of shameless asshole the Democrats needed to win back power.
.We have a winner! Eat it wingers. State won’t recall anti-Bush license plate.
What kind of fuckery is this!
Lawrence Auster is an out-and-out racist, but Horowitz is far worse in his own way. Auster doesn’t get up and jump and shout whenever an African American is screwed over by the legal system or blown away by the cops with 35 9mm rounds for reaching for his ID.
But when it comes to the Palestinians, Horowitz becomes gleeful whenever the next horrendous atrocity against innocent civilians – and by that I mean Palestinian civilians – occurs. I haven’t read Horoputz’s take yet on the Winograd Report, but I imagine it seeths that thousands more Lebanese children didn’t die.
Lou Costello @ 72
No, in fact I’ve never gotten my “liberal agenda.” How long you gotta be a liberal before you get an agenda, anyway?
Ed*ard Teller @ 238
ET, it truly is a travesty, how little empathy is felt for the Palestinians, how little ink is used in their cause!!! However, A*p*c/et.al… is well represented by the finest money can buy!!!
*MOD NOTE: Edited with * to allow to pass through filters*
Margot @ 239
What Agenda, ya mean you have to have an Agenda! Too much, I’m outta here!!!
CTuttle @ 239
Are You Serious?
CT, yes, that word is in the filters. If you look at how I modified it, you will then know, as other do here, how to avoid the filter that traps it.
Suzanne @ 242
Capiche!!! What kind of Fuckery is THAT!!!
CTuttle @ 243
The spamfilter is an anti-semite! *wink
Not fuckery, CT.
Very EPU’d and somehow lost because I probably used a Heritage Foundation source to hoist Mitt “Ze Franch are decadent Pepe Le Pews who mate like crazed Tom Cats” Romney on his own petard.
The Heritage Institute site did a survey of divorce rates across the world. France actually had one of the lower divorce rates in Western Europe (about 38.2/100 marriages), tied with the Netherlands. Germany, Belgium, Denmark, the UK, Norway, Finland, Austria, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Luxemburg, Estonia and the Czech Republic had higher rates than France….but lower than the United States. In fact, the only country to tie the US in it’s extraordinary 54.6/100 rate was Sweden!
So it’s puzzling why Mitt should suggest that the French divorce every seven years “at the pleasure of either partner” when the US clearly has far greater divorce rates. Why isn’t he ranting about the immorality of the AVERAGE American? Why isn’t he attacking the rampant PROMISCUITY of his political rivals McCain, Gingrich, and Giuliani? Why didn’t he attack Nancy and Ronald Reagan when he had the opportunity in front of the millions of evangelical conservative viewers if he thinks divorce is evil. Why attack the French?
And what is Romney going to do to discourage divorce? Is he going to look at all those nations that have low divorce rates like…Saudi Arabia (where men can divorce wives with a simple “I divorce you” three times in public…but women cannot without the males consent…yet men are allowed three wives). Maybe his issue is with BOTH the male and female being able to initiate divorce proceedings? AS IN FRANCE?
Or is he going to compel women who flee to shelters to go back to their abusive husbands? Or men and women to stay in loveless marriages? What precisely is he going to do to stem this (ahem) problem if he is elected President?
The nation wants to know? He seems to think that what happens in the four walls of the Harembedroom is somehow his business, or that of the state?
I fear my last minute revision and slow muddling may have been missed so am shamelessly asking fellow late niters to revisit my plea at 231 requesting help finding email info on journalist Andrew Gumbel. Any and all suggestions welcome! Thanks all.
Lou Costello @ 244
LOL, Lou, but its a friggin PAC, albeit a maligned one!!!
somewhere in this sordid affair there is room for the phrase:
Let sleeping blogs lie.
The site administrator, not this lowly moderator, is the person that you need to have this dicussion with if you wish to pursue it.
I am a volunteer moderator here at Late Nite folks and not the all knowing, all seeing Wizard. That is the Site Administrator.
Would you like me to let him know of your concerns regarding this term?
CTuttle @ 239,
Horowitz’s type of hatred predates the lobbying group whose name you invoked. I learned a lot recently about the situation in Palestine between 1946 and 1950 by reading Ilan Pappe’s The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. I discovered this interview of Pappe – who is preparing to emigrate from Israel because of the hatred there recently engendered by his research – by Scots MP George Galloway.
The creation by people similarly motivated as is Ho-ho-horowitz of various pre-internet publications, which have now led to blogs, internet journals and turn-in-your professor sites was discussed as part of the same plans which gave us that particular lobbying group. Because operations like Horowitz’s are quite independent, they were easier to get up and running through the 50s. The internet has made guys like Hoputz so ubiquitous that he’ll eventually get lost in the clutter.
Good.
Now I’m watching a VERY INTERESTING series on YouTube: The Meaning of Life
npb – sounds pretty dire. wish I could help.
npb, i already gave you the only thing i knew of. perhaps the morning crew will have some suggestions for you – be sure to check back on this thread in the morning.
DrDick @ 112
You’ve got the right idea but it wasn’t Jenkins, who was an American. There was a Brit involved, around the time of WW-II, and I’ve just spent half an hour chasing around trying to find. . . BURT!!! Sir Cyril Burt!!! –my memory synapses finally clicked! The Wikipedia needs to be updated, because while they have a bio on him, there’s nothing about him in the Race & Intelligence articles. A particularly nasty case of falsified evidence that influenced the shape of British education policy for a generation.
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 250
newspaperbrat @ 231
Here you go:
agumbel(at)yahoo(dot)com
http://andrewgumbel.com/
punaise @ 148
BARF. Now I need to clean off my keyboard. You’re right about the turd. He’s a DLC tool.
Bob in HI
Just back from Conservapedia, where I visited their definition of France so I could do a screenshot before it gets changed.
punaise @ 235
Leave it to punaise to find the most substantive sentence in the article.
CTuttle @ 248
If I may
It (the filtered reference), indeed a legitimate organization under U.S. law, used directly seems to arouse 9/11 conspiracy theory types, anti-semiticals, and other dubious elements….Like gum on one’s shoe.
That may be the reason for its inclusion, as I have seen that practise elsewhere.
CTuttle @ 256
errr, actually I was commenting, rather incoherently, on the topic of the post. FWIW there’s nothing untoward about filtering for A*P*C…it wreaks a lot of havoc behind the curtain, we are told. my unsolicited advice? just let it go.
Ed*ard Teller @ 259
You’re so evil!!! Pappe was there at the epicenter, I see!!! I think I’ll dig a little into it!!! *g*
Margot @ 238
It’s a hidden agenda. *g*
Bob Schacht @ 258
did you mean DLC stool?
(anyway, see my update at #235)
darkblack @ 261
Thirties, hmmm, the Reich, I’m groping around here!!!
Ed*ard Teller >
Ah yes, the very fluid toobz
Looks to be quite the “hot time” up Alaska way the last few days. Some deep shifting of the political “geological plates” goin on sounds like.
Bout time I`d say.
“…The growth of state power is neither a caprice of history nor the fruit of “paganism.” It is the consequence of the community’s effort to protect itself against irresponsible economic power.” – Reinhold Niebuhr
Damn! I forgot to mention two things:
1. Great essay, Dinodog! I can see the image of you actually saying and doing *claps tiny forelimbs with delight* .
2. I hate every minute of this goddam fucking war!
CTuttle @ 266
I’m not following your inference.
Texas Betsy @ 208
I really hope that at Kent State they change the plaques to reflect this, fixing blame securely where it belongs. What’s at Kent State now? Is there a plaque on the sidewalk where the famous picture of the student murdered in cold blood lay???
Maybe more than a plaque– a memorial? The slimy bastards that did this deserve to have their names emblazoned in history forever for what they did.
And if any of the villains are still alive, has the statute of limitations expired?
Bob in HI
At the end of TDS tonight, Jon Stewart said George Tenet would be his guest tomorrow night.
punaise @ 265
Tool, stool, either works for me :-)
–Yeah, I saw your update, but it was too late.
The barfing had already happened. Thanks for clarifying, however.
Bob in HI
Ed*ard Teller @ 259
Oooh, they’ve even got a little animated French flag. How tech-savvy of them!
darkblack @ 269
In essence, censorship, or at a minimum, control the medium!
Suzanne @ 271
That interview sounds like a “slam dunk” for Stewart!
daCascadian @ 267
Vic Kohring, the AK state representative busted last Friday is a longtime adversary and friend. I’ve invited him many times to conduct a patriotic number with my band. He conducted us in Sousa’s The Thunderer once at the state fair parade. We rehearsed tonight, talked about Vic’s demise a bit. He shoulda taken my offer. It’s hard to conduct a 50-person band when you’re cuffed. Might make a helluva fundraiser stunt, though.
Bob Schacht @ 228
Er, we started out on the difference between stupid and stoopid, so I don’t think any of this was intended to be a serious clinical discussion. Sorry if any of the remarks came across as offensive.
Josh Marshall ponders Doolittle’s claim that he is being tossed under the bus to give Abu Gone-zales some breathing room.
Thank you punaise – you have helped by your concern and
YOU TOO Suzanne – earlier today but after hours for London-based Independent I left an urgent email request to their editor who frequently publish Andrew’s articles to forward my request to him. He has been teaching at UCLA in recent times and the irony that he may actually be in state at this time keeps my hope alive he can be tracked down sooner than later.
Meanwhile we’re working overtime to get a meeting with AG Jerry Brown before the June mtg of the California Coastal Commission. He stepped to the plate for us in 1980 as governor and helped we the people stop PG&E from building a supertanker port at Moss Landing. Who knew Dirty Harry had such political power to be a much bigger problem then PG&E? After a decade old battle even the Sierra Club had given up on that campaign after a decade long fight. Eastwood and Uberroth & company have proven a much more formidable foe and give new meaning to corporate greed and avarice in this modern Bush era and gutless MSM.
is this new news?
Ed*ard Teller >
Defense fund could probably use the money.
“…the art of life is more like navigation than warfare…” – Alan Watts
Suzanne @ 271
Yeah. I hope he takes the bastard apart. I’m not sure I can bear to watch it live; it’s too personal, but if it goes well, I’ll catch the replay.
punaise, perhaps this is the start of the republicans standing up to the rethugs (and trying to save their own vulnerable seats).
CTuttle @ 274
But it’s like herding cats, isn’t it? “Alright loonies…Rile ‘em up!”
;>)
Really, monomanical types, and those suffering from deep-rooted inferiority complexes that express themselves with racism are most uninteresting to talk to.
Why inflame them into some well-rehearsed screed at the expense of a conversation.
We’re all (mostly) adults that know what A*P*C means. It inhibits my free speech not at all to choose whom to share it with.
Redshift, I’m with you. Jon has made huge strides as an interviewer. His interview with McCain – he stayed on topic and would not let McCain change the frame.
I want him to verbally rip Tenet to shreds. I want Tenet to leave tomorrow night seeing the blood on his own hands. The blood he could have prevented being shed had he stood up when it counted.
persiflage @ 273
Jeebus.
Bill Maher had a better blog entry on France than ConservaPedantia.
Pathetic.
Voltaire, #1 in Healthcare, Has Bullet Trains will travel
Suzanne @ 284
Ding!
George Tenet should either give his “Medal of Freedom” [barf] back to the White House, or go find some rock to crawl under.
Suzanne @ 284
Sic’em, Girl, smell that blood!!!
Suzanne @ 284
Hear Hear!
Direct questions about his profiteering.
ALL of it.
Bob Schacht @ 204
I just revisited that thread and noticed that the wrangling went on for another 15 comments or so, well past 400.
This illustrates another characteristic of male discourse: they will not back down. They become like a bulldog who has chomped onto something and will not let go.
And the heck with any damage that happens while they’re hanging on to their precious point. They not only will not let go, they won’t go away, until most people just leave in disgust. In their minds, they think this means that they have won. And winning is what its all about, right? For classic male discourse, anyway, as described by Tannen, IIRC. And is this not what TRex was describing up top?
Bob in HI
newspaperbrat @ 287
or as the true heir to HST
once put ithas repeatedly said here:Attack – ATTACK – ATTACK!
Suzanne @ 284
Is it possible after all this run TDS has gotten that Tenet has no idea he’s walking into a buzzsaw?
Let us pray…
neurophius @ 288
First, he needs to give all his ill-gotten proceeds to DAV/VA, etc…
“First, he needs to give all his ill-gotten proceeds to DAV/VA, etc…”
Indeed.
Gonna be an interesting show for sure. Tenet is not going to find a sympathetic audience in attendance. He’s already shown that his buttons are easy pushed – just look at the 60 Minutes interview.
Redshift @ 277
Thank you. I am relieved. Please accept my apology for not having read more carefully. I am somewhat snark-impaired.
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 297
could be a symptom of the malady dreaded in these parts: snarkolepty :~)
Is it possible after all this run TDS has gotten that Tenet has no idea he’s walking into a buzzsaw?
Let us pray…
newtonusr oh pretty pretty please with whipped cream and a cherry on top please let him walk in thinking this is a slam duck interview.
Suzanne @ 295
He spends a lot of time stating the interviewers name when pressed, playing for time. Tweety had him and let him off tonight, but not until he’d worked up a good sweat, stating, “Chris… Chris…”.
Gonna be fun.
punaise @ 298
Not bad. I liked your scuba metaphor above (ET watches bubbles rise) even better.
This is odd. You take a shot at Goldstein and he hasn’t (yet) shown up to get the Never-Ending Last Word.
Maybe he broke the Google button on that fancy new ‘puter the dupes at Protein Wisdom bought for him.
Suzanne @ 299
‘Dunk’, Suzy!!! ;)
As one who is complicit in an Iraq war based on lies, with thousands dead, how can he even stomach the idea of hawking his book on a comedy show?
He will deserve whatever Stewart dishes out.
slam duck
yum, a roast!
blushing, CT. sometimes the mind tricks the fingers.. other times, the fingers pay back the mind :)
Ed*ard Teller @ 306
What kind of quackery is this?
CTuttle @ 303
Ya think maybe Bush will go straight past being a lame duck to being a slam duck?
neurophius >
“…the times, they are a`changin…”
I am SOOOOOO ready to move beyond all of this crap.
“Once you go through something you think will kill you and it doesn’t, every day is like a present.” – Elissa B. Terris
Ed*ard Teller @ 306
Just what Suzanne wants for the Sleazeball, Roasted (pick a meat)!!!
shiteous quakery, neuro.
I would, however, prefer that bush go from being a lame duck, and bypass the slam duck into being a dry drunk in the slammer.
ET, scuba reference was bluejeansntshirt at 234 (unless it was something else)
Redshift @ 309
LOL!!! As long as it is Dead and Gone!!!
CTuttle >
Will that be a white tie & tails affair or not ?
“All animals except Man know that the ultimate purpose of life is to enjoy it” – Samuel Butler
Suzanne @ 311
I’d settle for duck a la Ranch,
serving time nearserved in CrawfordSuzanne @ 306
In which case every Bushbot in the country should be digging in his or her own eyes to find the real mote they’ve been so remorselessly gouging out of everyone else’s. Owwww!
well…. maybe next week.
I’m picturing georgie more in the orange or perhaps a black and white horizontal stripe. Jumpsuit of course to remind him of how far he has fallen since his time as commander codpiece.
daCascadian @ 315
Too formal!!! ;)
punaise @ 311
and when you come up from scuba depths,
you begin snarkeling
punaise,
darn! good metaphor even so.
Suzanne @ 318
See DaCascadian, I knew she could pick out the proper attire for Commander Codpiece!!!
Suzanne @ 311
Isn’t there a rule here against mods getting on a roll? You’re awesome, Suzanne.
CTuttle >
For the Black & White stripe outfit on Commander Guy I`d probably be willing to do white tie & tails daily for the duration !
“…you cannot save your face and your ass at the same time…” – vachon@shadrach.net
Ed*ard Teller @ 323
There ought to be one!!! ;)
TribeScribe @ 319
oh, good reef!
punaise @ 326
Groan!!! I’m Floundering!!!
CT, I would, of course, accessorize the jumpsuit with a white metal – very shiny (only the best) chrome handcuffs and leg irons. no shoelaces in the shoes, natch.
and when you come up from scuba depths,
you begin snarkeling
oh, good reef!
Groan!!! I’m Floundering!!
oh, for the halibut
We’re keeping her too busy trying to keep us from building zigs, she doesn’t even realize how silly she’s made that awful fuck Tennet. I doubt Stewart will do better than slam duck.
Suzanne @ 328
Ooh,Ooh, talk mean…
Suzanne >
Ohhhh, very trendy amongst the ReThug set these days. Set a proper tone would the Decider !
“Politics is just high school with guns and more money” – Frank Zappa
Ed*ard Teller @ 329
aw shucks, et, that is high praise indeed. it truly was freudian.
Ed*ard Teller >
I know what we are all hoping for is Slammed Duck.
“…Ambition must be made to counteract ambition…” – Federalist No. 51
CTuttle @ 330
Suzanne @ 328
CT, I would, of course, accessorize the jumpsuit with a white metal – very shiny (only the best) chrome handcuffs and leg irons. no shoelaces in the shoes, natch.
Ooh,Ooh, talk mean…
No. That mean enough? *wink*
Suzanne @ 332
I must have missed that part. Tenant is the peter principle cubed, though.
Suzanne @ 335
Ooh,Ooh, talk mean…
No. That mean enough? *wink*
*g*!!!
slammed duck, cooked goose, whatever….
oh, good reef!
Groan!!! I’m Floundering!!!
oh, for the halibut
this Lake needs no bleating apparatus
*snort*
TribeScribe @ 338
that de-bends.
punaise @ 339
That’s Punny!!! LOL
mutzali @ 337
Anyone willing to pay the recent Alaska GOP casualties’ legal fees at this point are also gonna be smoked turkeys. Or soaked.
oh, good reef!
Groan!!! I’m Floundering!!!
oh, for the halibut
this Lake needs no bleating apparatus
*snort*
that de-bends.
shark it to me.
Suzanne @ 342
You folks are really trouting out some bad ones tonight!
Ed*ard Teller @ 341
Shouldn’t it be smoked salmon!!!
Not to carp, but this is a fine kettle of fish! And a whale of a time.
that de-bends.
shark it to me.
You folks are really trouting out some bad ones tonight!
I feel no remorahs
Suzanne >
Flippity floppity !
“There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept.” – Ansel Adams
punaise @ 339
O’Reilly is accusing the guy putting the most money against the failed war on drugs of giving us narcosis.
OK, this is getting deep…
that de-bends.
shark it to me.
You folks are really trouting out some bad ones tonight!
Not to carp, but this is a fine kettle of fish! And a whale of a time.
I feel no remorahs
Eel have no ray-grets in the morning.
TribeScribe @ 347
Ah, one of my favourite parts of Late Nite – World Championship Wordplay.
Ed*ard Teller @ 341
Smoked sellman?
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 349
When Stewart is through, Tennant will have haddock.
Suzanne @ 349
SOS, we’ve run aground upon the shoals of Punniness!
May 8th
Harry Truman`s birthday & VE Day.
Nice date match.
“The inaudible and noiseless foot of Time” – William Shakespeare
did the CIA or Bushbots use any fishing metaphors in the run-up?
When Stewart is through, Tennant will have haddock.
Maybe he’ll break out in whelks?
All you gulls and buoys fishing for condiments in the Sea of Told You So should never egret the shellfish ones who made all this senseless humor possible.
Ok, folks. That’s it for me tonight. I’m otter here. G’nite all.
xoites defends Constitution @ 357
Unfortunately, I do. But we can laugh! Glad you broke surface here today, xdC!
Suzanne @ 358
Good Nite, Ma’am!!!
{{{{Suzanne}}}}
Over at Political Animal bad Jim says
“A democracy which makes or effectively prepares for modern scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic.” – Aldous Huxley
Ed*ard Teller :
Glad you broke surface here today, dC!
You certainly are making it difficult for me to be crabby.
Nite all, from here in the heart of oceania, Aloha!!!
xoites defends Constitution @ 363
So many lurkers out there still clamming up, though. They still think we need to prawns of the old pols, maybe?
Ed*ard Teller @ 365
Maybe we should adopt them them, or perhaps we could become foyster parents.
CTuttle @ 364
Sleep well. By the end of the week Oceana will no longer be at war with France. We never WERE at war with France. And – besides – Bill O’Reily will end the boycott on their economy, which is actually why the conservatives won. He was friggin’ strangling ‘em…
Listening to the Preludio from Hietor Villa-Lobos’ Bachiananas brasilieras Number 7. Again and again. A great composition in respect to his use of the woodwinds. Thinking about where to go in one of my next pieces. Talking to my friends here sorta at the same time.
later, pups.
for anyone who’s still up, here is a fine artistic representation of the Auster/Horowitz contretemps.
Mumble, mumble, late as usual (getting up and going to lay some cubic droppings (yes really!) time for us nocturnal foraging marsupial tanks)…but I wish to register a protest on behalf of my marsupial bretheren at the speciest implications of your image. Tassie Devils may be noisy carrion eaters who (collectively) face the threat of extinction because of their sexual habits (see Devil Facial Tumor Disease), but they are not in the least racist, or even speciest. Just because they greet each other with all the verve and subtlty of a GOP convention doesn’t make them “Friends of David” (let alone Dorothy).
Love and grumbles,
Wombat
Gazonga @ 369
Ok, not as expensive as Water World or Howard the Duck, but i still find myself scratching my head trying to figure out why it was made in the first place.
what?
never mind.
tell me later.
i’m busy.
Good morning, pups. In the NYT Bobo got to meet the Queen and Bob Herbert writes that John Edwards had something important to say and nobody paid any attention. (I guess he hadn’t gotten a haircut.)
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
Coffee and tea are ready, and warm, buttery croissants. Have a good day.
Mornin’ all!
What time does morning start around here??
Marion in Savannah @ 373
I also wrote about the queen’s visit on my blog.
twolf1 @ 374
Good morning.
Looks like the price of gas will go up even more: 3 oil pipelines bombed in Nigeria
Hi SnarKassandra, how are you this fine morning?
twolf1 @ 379
Wide awake for no reason. I don’t need to be up for another hour. Playing with BLOGMAD and my own blog.
How are you?
Snarkassandra, I’ll bet you didn’t drag your poor, innocent turtles into it!
Marion in Savannah @ 381
But I’ll bet you didn’t drag your turtles into it…
No turtles. But I did use 2 news sources. I am learning blog-writing-style from TRex and others around here. :)
Does this mean that the Bushies are gonna fire somebody today?
SnarKassandra @ 383
Terror Suspects Arrested In Jersey
Minor historical point:
Reconstruction came *after* the Civil War, so “Reconstruction-era” would be mainly 1870s and 1880s.
I only bring it up because this was one of the biggest turning points in our nation’s history.
In this time period, blacks had political and civil rights, and were winning office even in the South as Black Republicans, and white economic populists were winning office as Populists.
We could have been a different country. Civil rights could have come half a century earlier.
We chose to allow the Southern upper classes to hire a ‘contra’ army of terrorists — white supremacists often going under the ‘Klan’ name — to murder and harass Blacks and white Populists out of power.
We even had our only un-reversed coup d’etat: The then-largest city in North Carolina, Wilmington, had a majority black city government. In 1898 it was overthrown by force and replaced by white reactionaries (Democrats).
We had a chance. We chose to let the Southern white supremacists turn back democracy for another 50 to 75 years.
Maybe next time we won’t miss an opportunity.
twolf1 @ 379
What time do they post a morning post?
Silly post this morning. You can tell I am up early and bord.
http://frecklescassie.wordpress.com/
El Cid @ 385
We studied all of that in 8th grade. Except for this part:
No surprise
SnarKassandra @ 386
Usually the first morning post goes up between 8 and 8:30 eastern — sometimes later, rarely earlier.
Well I won’t be here. See ya later
Thomson in talks to buy Reuters for $17.6 bln
SnarKassandra @ 389
Have a good day!
good mornin’ y’all. a bit OT but have you seen the writeups of the interviews with fired US Attorneys on the House Judiciary committee site? Very compelling reading.USA Q&A
Darth headed to the Middle East
twolf1 @ 393
good. let’s hope he decides to stay.
seriously, is he going to retract everything Rice says? Is that why he’s going after, not with?
yup.
“be an attempt to try to clear up what might be viewed as mixed messages from Rice by some…”
I shoulda read the piece before commenting.
who do you supose the SAO is? haha. bet Bush never told Cheney to go.
TiredFed @ 394
Maybe he plans to go hunting with Prince Bandar.
mornin’ all
mornin c. kinda quiet this am
cbl @ 398
Mornin’ cbl.
twolf1 @ 397
lol. mebbe they will go after that wascally wabbit OBL.
Did you all read the Enron books? One revelation was that they worked against one another. There wasn’t cooperation between the diff groups and they may even have sabotaged one groups successes to enhance their own. That’s how Cheney’s office works.
gotta go pick up my son at VT. how he amassed a van full of stuff in a year I will never know. he told me to take the seats out!
anyway, y’all have fun today. will be reading the threads tomorrow night.
solai @ 402
isnt it amazing how someone with virtually no Constitutional authority can manage to take over a country?
It started with Bush’s half-assed effort to find a veep. He puts a guy in charge who wants it for himself. Did he even look at the other options or did he think ‘well that was easy, I didn’t have to read any resumes’
Chevron Seen Settling Case on Iraq Oil
Must go get ready for work. Will see you all later.
Trex late nite posts are always a fun way to start out the day. AM is when I can get to read them.
I always get an image of a mean, extremely immature junior high boy when I read or hear Rush, Beck, Horowitz or any of those arrested development jerks. I once got a reply from John Gibson after I disagreed that people who objected to the 24/7 coverage of Anna Nicole were snobs. He told me that I was full of gooey, brown stuff.
just over at Empty’s place trying to catch up on all the ‘fronts’ opening up in USA saga – in this case Alaska – but something tells me Texas is up next and it’s gonna be a barn burner – now off to Big Orange to see if I can find the article from Sunday
Clicking on “Read the rest of this entry” in Firefox browser gets me a page of garbage, but it works OK in IE…
TiredFed @ 404
It’s amazing to me that there are so many similarities between Enron and Bush’s WH. And Bush and Ken Lay being best friends. Total incompetence, mismanagement, chronism, piling on debt, hubris, ego. The only difference is that Bush controls the DOJ. Let’s hope that comes to an end soon.
TiredFed @ 404
“Amazing” is one word for it; I can think of others…
Georgesimian@411
It’s amazing to me that there are so many similarities between Enron and Bush’s WH. And Bush and Ken Lay being best friends. Total incompetence, mismanagement, chronism, piling on debt, hubris, ego. The only difference is that Bush controls the DOJ. Let’s hope that comes to an end soon.
Yeah, let’s hope so, or it’ll be time to join Ken Lay in Costa Rica or wherever he is.
Oh, that’s right-he’s supposed to be dead.
My bad.
New thread upstairs…
TRex:
With an appreciation of how much delicacy the subject requires, I have a criticism of this post. I followed the Wolcott link, read the excerpt of the Auster piece, and was pretty surprised to see a provocative and dramatic statistic (I have no idea of its veracity) that indicates black men rape white women at something like 10 times the rate white men do. You provide the link as some kind of evidence that this guy Auster is a “racist”, then leave it at that. I happend to know that Horowitz is an extremist, a war monger, and, at least as far as Arabs are concerned, is definitely a “racist”. I’m not going to go reading his rag to find out more. Moreover, my political decisions aren’t swayed by Republicans trying to pick at the race scab, and I don’t wish to delve further into the statistic Auster offers.
That said, your post is the kind that only an echo chamber can produce. I advise you to keep it confined to the echo chamber. If you ever trot out such a statistic to white male voters it’s guaranteed to antagonize them: first you goad and provoke with a statistic that, unless you’re mathematically illiterate, indicates a racial disproportion in rape, then you imply anyone who interprets it the wrong way is “racist”.
Race is a difficult topic — stick to where you can prove racism empirically, and where it has political relevance: voter suppression and election tampering, for example, are things you can prove and which even some prejudiced white men will feel affronted by; it violates the vestigial sense of fair play many still have.
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