Waxman

I work three blocks up from the White House. I’m running to the window right now to see if they’ve hired any extra services to help them with their destruction needs. You know - the same kind of mobile shredding trucks that helped out the VP a few months ago. I’ll keep you all posted.

Question: How many Bush-administration official does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day. Any report of its lack of incandescence is a delusional spin by the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably; and anything you say about its going out undermines the lighting effect. Why do you hate freedom?

Source unknown

Bay State Librul @ 3

Question: How many Bush-administration official does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day. Any report of its lack of incandescence is a delusional spin by the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably; and anything you say about its going out undermines the lighting effect. Why do you hate freedom?

Source unknown

The next six months are critical. We need to give the lightbulb time to work.

It looks like it is time for me to email my Reps., Senators, Waxman, Pelosi, et al with the latest copy of the Government Computer News…

Thanks for the heads-up on the Spring Cleaning drive (even hard ones) at the White House.

Has anyone found today’s egregiously awful right-wing fluff piece in the WaPo yet? It seems to be missing.

Christy, I’m sure those fine legal minds at the Department of Justice need no reminders of the law regarding the destruction of evidence.

*g*

Nope, I couldn’t even type that with a straight face.

gee, this takes me back to the good old days of Ollie North and Fawn Hall.

lisadawn82 @ 2

I work three blocks up from the White House. I’m running to the window right now to see if they’ve hired any extra services to help them with their destruction needs. You know - the same kind of mobile shredding trucks that helped out the VP a few months ago. I’ll keep you all posted.

I asked a few weeks ago if anyone saw that shredding truck leave Darth’s lair vs. the possibility they just slapped some siding on it and made it part of the place.

Got no responses.

I’m not getting the message here and don’t want to misunderstand. Is this saying that the RNC/WH computers have this feature or that it is just feared that they do?

Remember, factotums…That’s felony.

Do you really want to spend a nickel at the G.Gordon Liddy Home For Wayward Boys, refining your textile skills?

;>)

I’m not buying that “sercure erase” utility, it sounds like it’s bogus

the reason you can’t delete files is the “ghost” of the information can’t be completely “over written” by the native hardware

sometimes the original ghosts can be detected 3 layers deep

there’s no program that’s going to “super charge” the overwrite hardware that I can think of, what is it going to do, give the hardware “extra write ability”?

obsurd

no amount of “scrambling” the data makes the ghosts disapear either

in addition, the “reason’ the article says microsoft didn’t include the command in the os is that somebody might “inadvertantly” delete their files permanently;

Perhaps the company feared that, no matter how difficult its developers made the Secure Erase commands to find and execute from within the operating system — some users would still invariably erase all their data by accident. As a result, Secure Erase cannot be evoked from Microsoft Windows

a rediculous excuse, all the os has to do you need to do is post multiple warnings

the article looks to me like it’s trying to promote a program that will only marginally delete files by scrambling tags or something like that

now I might be wrong but I believe this is a hoax

Are you serious?!?!

They don’t even try to hide their lawbreaking anymore. If Clinton had a shredder truck outside the WH, the GOP would have been calling for the military to intervene.

OT (sorta) - scarecrow asked for a list of committee hearings for this week… here it is, in the epu-land of this morning’s first thread.

There are plenty of these types of tools available which make practical recovery of data difficult. However don’t assume that the invocation of the tool is up to the individual. One of the well known VPN (Virtual Private Network) packages invokes the Microsoft cipher.exe program at logoff. Cipher looks at available disk space and creates a huge random file to overwrite free and “deleted file” space. This invocation happens without the knowledge of the user.

OT–but related:

More from Greenwald in Salon on what constitutes a Beltway “journalist” these days:

The defining role of a “journalist” — especially national journalists — is to serve as a status-quo-perpetuating spokesperson for Beltway power circles. As long as one fulfills that role, one is free to spout any pro-government ideological or political opinions one wants. Anyone who doubts that — or thinks that is hyperbole — should simply review the above-quoted statements from Brit Hume, or Chris Matthews, or the behavior of Tim Russert, or the endless Bush-worshipping behavior from the likes of Norah O’Donnell and Andrea Mitchell, all of whom are deemed to be “real journalists” (except when they are deemed to be too “liberal”).

National journalists are as integrated into the Beltway elite culture as much as the political figures they are supposed to investigate and scrutinize. They love the Beltway system because it is that system that lavishes them with rewards and status, and their job is to defend it, a job they perform eagerly and with glee. What distinguishes Keith Olbermann is not that he expresses partisan views; he does that far less than all sorts of other “journalists” and anchors.

What Olbermann does is subjects the statements and behavior of our most powerful government officials to critical scrutiny. That used to be the defining attribute of a “journalist.” Now, it is disqualifying behavior.

For supreme DOD tomfoolery read this: DOD on the job, protecting us from Canadian “poppy” quarters:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...../spy_coins

‘Morning, Christy, FirePups! the guests have finally left, and I can indulge my FDL fix…phew.

Too funny, the sudden interest in data security. As if letting a political operative inside the firewall of Congress while porting government communications over all kinds of unsecured networks to unsecured servers was a perfectly secure way to conduct government business…

Oh, I do hope Hank has set some traps. Reminds me of the time that a certain IT worker, upon reporting to a mandatory meeting, was placed on short-term suspension for “misuse of corporate resources” due to excessive personal content in his emails and on his workstation, some of a highly questionable nature. They told him to leave the premises immediately for a week…

And then the moron goes back to his desk to try to delete materials from his machine. He’s caught by management and security in flagrante delicto and was escorted permanently off site.

Too stupid to be employed by the firm - and he proved it, all by himself. Oh, I do hope we will also find some of the same proof in progress. Sic ‘em, Hank!

The online ad for Nextel on the Government Computer News site was a little too scary for me: “There’s no stopping you…” in bold yellow and black.

Cue the onerous organ music.

When do we throw these crooks in jail?

RickG @ 15

Cipher looks at available disk space and creates a huge random file to overwrite free and “deleted file” space. This invocation happens without the knowledge of the user.

this is probably what the author of that article is talking about

writing a huge file at logoff does nothing unliess it’s writing multiple overwrites and that is simply a scrub

this author is claiming the program will perform as well as a complete scrub in a time period exponentially faster then a secure scrub

sounds like a haox

That must be excerpted from Junya’s new tome: “Disk Drives for Dummies.”

Screwin’ the pooch…a time-honored tradition for any Repug, and brought to a record low by his loutness, the Prince of Pampers, our Preznint-in-name-only, the Cheney Chew-toy, the Loser-In-Chief, Junya - the Master of all that he sees, but only when he closes his eyes.

perris @ 12

I’m not buying that “sercure erase” utility, it sounds like it’s bogus

the reason you can’t delete files is the “ghost” of the information can’t be completely “over written” by the native hardware

sometimes the original ghosts can be detected 3 layers deep

there’s no program that’s going to “super charge” the overwrite hardware that I can think of, what is it going to do, give the hardware “extra write ability”?

obsurd

no amount of “scrambling” the data makes the ghosts disapear either

in addition, the “reason’ the article says microsoft didn’t include the command in the os is that somebody might “inadvertantly” delete their files permanently;

Perhaps the company feared that, no matter how difficult its developers made the Secure Erase commands to find and execute from within the operating system — some users would still invariably erase all their data by accident. As a result, Secure Erase cannot be evoked from Microsoft Windows

a rediculous excuse, all the os has to do you need to do is post multiple warnings

the article looks to me like it’s trying to promote a program that will only marginally delete files by scrambling tags or something like that

now I might be wrong but I believe this is a hoax

perris — there’ve been programs for years that perform what is called a “military wipe” of data. My understanding is that it not only scrambles tags but overwrites content repeatedly so that content cannot be recovered. If memory serves, this wipes the drive and rewrites 7 or more times over data.

I do know that research-quality magnets will do the job, no writing required. But one has to remove the hard drive from the machine for this activity, making it easy to detect intent.

Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act.

Eric Arthur Blair

Secure Erase could work too well, in fact. Although approved by the American National Standards Institute, Secure Erase was shunned by Microsoft and other operating system vendors. Perhaps the company feared that, no matter how difficult its developers made the Secure Erase commands to find and execute from within the operating system — some users would still invariably erase all their data by accident. As a result, Secure Erase cannot be evoked from Microsoft Windows. Most motherboard BIOSes block use of the commands.

Wow! What an interesting choice of terms. They run it just like they run the war stratergy!!! Data or Human Debris…

“NIST defines four levels of sanitization:

* Disposal. The simplest methods, it involves just throwing the media away. It is obviously for the least-sensitive data.

* Clearing. This makes data unretrievable by “a robust keyboard attack,” which includes the use of recovery utilities. Overwriting is an acceptable means of clearing for undamaged media.

* Purging. A higher level that resists data recovery by sophisticated laboratory attacks. Degaussing is effective for purging, but it cannot be used on nonmagnetic storage, such as CDs and DVDs. The firmware Secure Erase capability in Advanced Technology Attachment hard drives is an overwriting technique that satisfies both Clear and Purge requirements.

* Destroying. What NIST calls the “ultimate form of sanitization.” Paper and flexible media such as tapes and floppy disks can be shredded. But incineration, pulverization, disintegration or melting are required for more robust hardware. This often must be done at a specialized outside facility that can perform the work effectively and safely.”

Rayne @ 22

perris — there’ve been programs for years that perform what is called a “military wipe” of data. .

that’s right rayne, that’s the way you scrub data when using the native hardware, it takes quite a bit of time.

one write with 1’s, one with 0’s, one random and repeat any number of times

this article claims that the time a scrub takes is not neccessary with this “native utility”

it starts out saying a military scrub isn’t neccessary you can delete data in much less time without multiple overwrites

Frank Probst @ 4

Bay State Librul @ 3

Question: How many Bush-administration official does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: None. There is nothing wrong with the light bulb; its conditions are improving every day. Any report of its lack of incandescence is a delusional spin by the liberal media. That light bulb has served honorably; and anything you say about its going out undermines the lighting effect. Why do you hate freedom?

Source unknown

The next six months are critical. We need to give the lightbulb time to work.

We need more funds for more lightbulbs because this one is working so well…for now. But we will need more lightbulbs. Uh oh, this lightbulb isn’t working so well, so yeah, we need the funding.

I bet *I* could fully erase the offensive files.

Not on purpose, of course - I’m just a computer-dolt.

Mandrake @ 24

Secure Erase could work too well, in fact. Although approved by the American National Standards Institute, Secure Erase was shunned by Microsoft and other operating system vendors. Perhaps the company feared that, no matter how difficult its developers made the Secure Erase commands to find and execute from within the operating system — some users would still invariably erase all their data by accident. As a result, Secure Erase cannot be evoked from Microsoft Windows. Most motherboard BIOSes block use of the commands.

Damn. It sounded to me like a Microsoft ‘Help’ file. Or instruction from one of their user’s manuals.

Just sayin’…

(I hate that kludge of computing.)

:->

perris @ 26

that’s right rayne, that’s the way you scrub data

this article claims that the time a scrub takes is not neccessary with this “native utility”

I’m really rusty at this, been a handful of years since I had to worry about scrubbing when decommissioning equipment for IT provisioning dept. But I think the wipe program only invoked OS-level scripts, just in a particular sequence that the OS and/or user would not typically call up on their own.

Rayne @ 22

there’ve been programs for years that perform what is called a “military wipe” of data. My understanding is that it not only scrambles tags but overwrites content repeatedly so that content cannot be recovered. If memory serves, this wipes the drive and rewrites 7 or more times over data.

I do know that research-quality magnets will do the job, no writing required. But one has to remove the hard drive from the machine for this activity, making it easy to detect intent.

the standard mac OS disk utility offers 35 pass disk erase… far more than DOD specs. and it doesn’t require any special software - it’s in the operating system!!!

hard to see how anyone could recover data after that….

Biodun @ 16

OT–but related:

More from Greenwald in Salon on what constitutes a Beltway “journalist” these days:

The defining role of a “journalist” — especially national journalists — is to serve as a status-quo-perpetuating spokesperson for Beltway power circles. As long as one fulfills that role, one is free to spout any pro-government ideological or political opinions one wants. Anyone who doubts that — or thinks that is hyperbole — should simply review the above-quoted statements from Brit Hume, or Chris Matthews, or the behavior of Tim Russert, or the endless Bush-worshipping behavior from the likes of Norah O’Donnell and Andrea Mitchell, all of whom are deemed to be “real journalists” (except when they are deemed to be too “liberal”).

National journalists are as integrated into the Beltway elite culture as much as the political figures they are supposed to investigate and scrutinize. They love the Beltway system because it is that system that lavishes them with rewards and status, and their job is to defend it, a job they perform eagerly and with glee. What distinguishes Keith Olbermann is not that he expresses partisan views; he does that far less than all sorts of other “journalists” and anchors.

What Olbermann does is subjects the statements and behavior of our most powerful government officials to critical scrutiny. That used to be the defining attribute of a “journalist.” Now, it is disqualifying behavior.

Man, Greenwald can write. I wou;dn’t care to get on his bad side.

Rayne @ 30

perris @ 26

that’s right rayne, that’s the way you scrub data

this article claims that the time a scrub takes is not neccessary with this “native utility”

I’m really rusty at this, been a handful of years since I had to worry about scrubbing when decommissioning equipment for IT provisioning dept. But I think the wipe program only invoked OS-level scripts, just in a particular sequence that the OS and/or user would not typically call up on their own.

I’m saying that whatever the article is talking about is not going to scrub a hardrive unless it performs the full routine which it claims is not neccessary with the program

I think the article is a haox

perris @ 33

I’m saying that whatever the article is talking about is not going to scrub a hardrive unless it performs the full routine

I think the article is a haox

I hope it’s a sting

off to work,see all firedogs later

OT ~ What’s wrong with America? I mean besides Bill O’Reilly. Link to Bill Maher

Elliott @ 34

perris @ 33

I’m saying that whatever the article is talking about is not going to scrub a hardrive unless it performs the full routine

I think the article is a haox

I hope it’s a sting

it might be a sting actually, I was thinking the same thing

perris @ 33

I’m saying that whatever the article is talking about is not going to scrub a hardrive unless it performs the full routine which it claims is not neccessary with the program

I think the article is a haox

So…is it a trap? heh-heh. I hope so.

OK firedogs,

I just received one of those retarded “chain email” messages inviting me to drink the Republican koolaid. Anyone want to volunteer to vet it and send it back?Elliott @ 8

gee, this takes me back to the good old days of Ollie North and Fawn Hall.

Funny you should mention that Elliott. I just received one of those retarded chain emails inviting me to drink the koolaid. It cites Oliver North as the first person to warn America about Osama Bin Laden. This email is an attempt to smear Gore as a stupid Dem who didn’t know who Osama Bin Laden was…

If the Repubs were/are so concerned, why didn’t they take care of business back then?

i dunno, you average desk jockey will not find it very user friendly.

OT–

Then there is this crucial tidbit about Tenet in today’s Salon:

May 7, 2007 | If you go by the book jacket of his new memoir, “At the Center of the Storm,” George Tenet is enjoying the life of a retired government servant teaching at Georgetown University, where he was appointed to the faculty in 2004. The former CIA director played up the academic image when he kicked off the recent media blitz for his new book by doing an interview for CBS’s “60 Minutes” from his spacious, book-lined office at the university. His academic salary, and the reported $4 million advance he received from publisher HarperCollins, should provide the former CIA director with more than enough money to live comfortably for the rest of his days and leave a substantial fortune to his children.

But those monies are hardly Tenet’s entire income. While the swirl of publicity around his book has focused on his long debated role in allowing flawed intelligence to launch the war in Iraq, nobody is talking about his lucrative connection to that conflict ever since he resigned from the CIA in June 2004. In fact, Tenet has been earning substantial income by working for corporations that provide the U.S. government with technology, equipment and personnel used for the war in Iraq as well as the broader war on terror.

When Tenet hit the talk-show circuit last week to defend his stewardship of the CIA and his role in the run-up to the war, he did not mention that he is a director and advisor to four corporations that earn millions of dollars in revenue from contracts with U.S. intelligence agencies and the Department of Defense. Nor is it ever mentioned in his book. But according to public records, Tenet has received at least $2.3 million from those corporations in stock and other compensation. Meanwhile, one of the CIA’s largest contractors gave Tenet access to a highly secured room where he could work on classified material for his book.

(snip)

selise @ 31

Rayne @ 22

there’ve been programs for years that perform what is called a “military wipe” of data. My understanding is that it not only scrambles tags but overwrites content repeatedly so that content cannot be recovered. If memory serves, this wipes the drive and rewrites 7 or more times over data.

I do know that research-quality magnets will do the job, no writing required. But one has to remove the hard drive from the machine for this activity, making it easy to detect intent.

the standard mac OS disk utility offers 35 pass disk erase… far more than DOD specs. and it doesn’t require any special software - it’s in the operating system!!!

hard to see how anyone could recover data after that….

I’ve been wondering about that, with everything being discussed MS-cetnric. I used it upon upgrading from System 9 to 10.2. Took about a half hour on a 9 gig HD. (233mhz CPU may have added a molasses factor…)

But, she was sure clean, and ready to rock after that!
And, I’ll proudly add, as a ‘Microsoft-free environment’. I can be done. Not that I’m particular, or anything. *g*

Coincidence? Why, yes. Now I’m waiting for someone to tell me the sun is going to rise in the North.

Rayne @ 38

perris @ 33

I’m saying that whatever the article is talking about is not going to scrub a hardrive unless it performs the full routine which it claims is not neccessary with the program

I think the article is a haox

So…is it a trap? heh-heh. I hope so.

xxxxx-fingers crossed-xxxxx

So, why aren’t all the “lost” e-mails obstruction of justice?

oops, my message submitted before fully edited. Dang!

HillCountryGal @ 43

Coincidence? Why, yes. Now I’m waiting for someone to tell me the sun is going to rise in the North.

Speaking of the sun, have you checked dopplar?

OT - Report: Saudis, US sponsoring covert action against Iran

LS @ 47

HillCountryGal @ 43

Coincidence? Why, yes. Now I’m waiting for someone to tell me the sun is going to rise in the North.

Speaking of the sun, have you checked dopplar?

On my way right now. One can never be too careful or too assuming, yes?

EvilDrPuma @ 32

Man, Greenwald can write. I wou;dn’t care to get on his bad side.

Mornin’, EDP…how are you doing today?

do-si-do @ 46

oops, my message submitted before fully edited. Dang!

preview is your friend, ;)

speaking from too frequent experience

Blank Kludge @ 29

Mandrake @ 24

Damn. It sounded to me like a Microsoft ‘Help’ file. Or instruction from one of their user’s manuals.

Just sayin’…

(I hate that kludge of computing.)

:->

Well, I’m operating under the assumption that a Windows OS was being used with the e-mail exchanges which would mean the OS would autmatically reject the “scrubbing” program. Of course, have no way of knowing that, but what would be the alternative?

Any computer geeks wanna address what kinda OS the RNC was/is using?

twolf1 @ 48

OT - Report: Saudis, US sponsoring covert action against Iran

another chapter of “stupid and immoral”?

we’ve got to impeach this idiots - i don’t know another way to stop the insanity….

Cleaning hard drives before disposal is standard operating procedure (or should be).
Nothing nefarious there.
You would want your bank to follow this procedure before decomissioning equipment.
Even after rewriting empty sectors, some residual megnetic traces can be detected by sophisticated methods.
IIRC the DOD standard used to be 7 overwrites for sensitive stuff. Then destroy the platters for really sensitive stuff.
There are handy windows based tools (Eraser53 comes to mind) as well.
Secure-Erase runs from a boot disc. I would only use it for decomissioned hardware (before reinstalling the OS on a donation machine or otherwise disposing of the hardware.
Never on a running machine.

Blank Kludge

It’s a heckuva web there in Missouri, all right. Glad Claire’s asking for a little “show me” session in front of the Judiciary Committee.

Mandrake @ 52

Any computer geeks wanna address what kinda OS the RNC was/is using?

Check with luaptifer at ePluribus Media; he’s done quite a bit of the techie research on this. I don’t think RNC was using anything except off the shelf MSFT stuff.

South Specific: “I’m gonna wash those files right out of my hair”

Also, I am curious as to whether or not, if such a scrubbing program were to be implemented, wouldn’t it seem extremely suspect if NOTHING shows up, e.g., prima facie evidence that the e-mails and other docs subpoenaed were wiped out intentionally - that fraud was involved?

I mean, how much control would you be able to have over a program that is designed to just wipe out everything on a hard drive? You can’t really pick and choose, I would imagine, what you want to scrub.

Well, I’m operating under the assumption that a Windows OS was being used with the e-mail exchanges which would mean the OS would autmatically reject the “scrubbing” program. Of course, have no way of knowing that, but what would be the alternative?

Any computer geeks wanna address what kinda OS the RNC was/is using?

Not a true geek here, but from what I’ve read about U.S. Gov’t computing I’d think your assumption is valid.

Remember the broohaha about the IT guy in MA last year who wanted to move State docs sytem from MS-based ’standards’ over to open source? Just an example.

do-si-do @ 39

Funny you should mention that Elliott. I just received one of those retarded chain emails inviting me to drink the koolaid. It cites Oliver North as the first person to warn America about Osama Bin Laden. This email is an attempt to smear Gore as a stupid Dem who didn’t know who Osama Bin Laden was…

If the Repubs were/are so concerned, why didn’t they take care of business back then?

That’s too funny,
Ollie North was worried about Abu Nidal (who was sooo ’80s)coming to get his family. But now I forget what Ollie did to irk Nidal so. But I don’t recall any warnings about Bin Ladini.

that “Ladini” was originally a typo, but I like it. Bin Ladini is very much a Houdini, just disappearing like that! tora*poof*bora

Peterr @ 55

Blank Kludge

It’s a heckuva web there in Missouri, all right. Glad Claire’s asking for a little “show me” session in front of the Judiciary Committee.

Yes.
edit: It kind of irks me that their mantra for disasta is ‘Who could have anticipated/imagined etc.’ when there were forces diabolically anticipatin’ all over the place.

EvilDrPuma @ 32

Biodun @ 16

OT–but related:

More from Greenwald in Salon on what constitutes a Beltway “journalist” these days:

Man, Greenwald can write. I wou;dn’t care to get on his bad side.

Agreed, Also Greg Palast is one of the premier
investigative journalst… along with our gal Marcy….

Q&A on Palast from the May 2007 Sun Mag is
here
http://www.thesunmagazine.org/377_Palast.pdf

Bit NOLA @ 17

For supreme DOD tomfoolery read this: DOD on the job, protecting us from Canadian “poppy” quarters:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...../spy_coins

clearly a good use of national resources … evil candians planting spy quarters in our contractors pockets!

do-si-do @ 39

I just received one of those retarded chain emails inviting me to drink the koolaid. It cites Oliver North as the first person to warn America about Osama Bin Laden. This email is an attempt to smear Gore as a stupid Dem who didn’t know who Osama Bin Laden was…

If the Repubs were/are so concerned, why didn’t they take care of business back then?

It’s already been debunked by North himself.
North’s website, has his response, click on “email response.”

lee5 @ 63

Bit NOLA @ 17

For supreme DOD tomfoolery read this: DOD on the job, protecting us from Canadian “poppy” quarters:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...../spy_coins

clearly a good use of natioanl resources … evil candians planting spy quarters in our contractors pockets!

A quandary that could have been solved by a phone call to the Mint. But no, first lets make a security crisis out of it.

Rayne @ 56

Mandrake @ 52

Any computer geeks wanna address what kinda OS the RNC was/is using?

Check with luaptifer at ePluribus Media; he’s done quite a bit of the techie research on this. I don’t think RNC was using anything except off the shelf MSFT stuff.

Thanks for the link but I did not see the article on there. However, that was my guess that they would be using Microsoft so they would be powerless to “scrub” their HD and my guess is even if they did, there would be some very suspicious-looking computer forensic clues left behind.

If you want to wipe a drive past any point of retrievability, there is nothing better than a 5 pound magnet from your 70’s style power tower speaker. As well as being useful for picking up nails after roofing a house, one of these bad boys will set up an interesting magnetic interaction with a hard disk in close proximity such that it might not recover for standard service purposes, much less data mining for ghost images.

After an hour or two sitting on a 5 pound magnet, if you can fdisk the drive (once is good, twice is better) then you are probably safe from the CIA, FBI and NSA labs. Actually, you’re probably safe from almost anyone except a 15 year old with a basement full of hardware, time on his hands and no friends.

I’d keep a sharp eye out for delivery orders of large stereo speakers to any government offices. Those are the folks Henry should target!

Mandrake @ 58

Also, I am curious as to whether or not, if such a scrubbing program were to be implemented, wouldn’t it seem extremely suspect if NOTHING shows up, e.g., prima facie evidence that the e-mails and other docs subpoenaed were wiped out intentionally - that fraud was involved?

I mean, how much control would you be able to have over a program that is designed to just wipe out everything on a hard drive? You can’t really pick and choose, I would imagine, what you want to scrub.

Absolutely correct — and there’s more than one way to check the content. If you draft an email using commercially predominant programs, there’s something on your hard drive. If you sent it, there’s something in a mail server at your end, and at the recipients’ end. If they reply, there’s more of the same in the opposite direction. And if you sent to a Blackberry user, or your email was forwarded by a recipient to yet another recipient with a Blackberry, there’s a record of the transmission in the Blackberry server.

And then mirror drives and backups and RAID sets and so on…

Stupid to try to erase, even if it was remotely possible to select one email and do a military wipe on that one file only — because you have to get them all.

Bwa-hahahahahahahah!

An Update from Greenwald here:

UPDATE II: In his column today, Kurtz quotes the paragraph of the AP article claiming that with Olbermann, NBC is “stretch(ing) traditional notions of journalistic objectivity,” and calls it an “interesting tidbit.” For Kurtz — who vigorously defends Brit Hume as a fair and objective news anchor — “interesting tidbit” is the sum total of his commentary on the Olbermann controversy.

Kurtz’s weekly chat is today at 12 noon Eastern (in 40 minutes or so) — here — and you can ask him to elaborate on this matter, including his views as to whether there is a difference between Olbermann and Hume in terms of their credibility as a journalist. I have no doubt his response will be instructive (if not actually responsive).

The first words out of the chimp’s mouth offend the Queen and embarass a nation (via huffpo):

President Bush: “You helped our nation celebrate its Bicentennial in 17…1976…”

(Pause and laughter)

Queen Elizabeth: (Inaudible)

President Bush: “She gave me a look that only a mother could give a child.”

(Laughter)

Mandrake @ 66

You’ll have to look for content that luaptifer has authored; he’s also contributed or co-authored other content. If you are at ePM, search for diaries by him or for diaries about gwb43.com.

Rayne @ 68

Stupid to try to erase, even if it was remotely possible to select one email and do a military wipe on that one file only — because you have to get them all.

Bwa-hahahahahahahah!

[my bold]
cockroach bytes

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6632939.stm
“A senior aide to embattled World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz has announced his resignation
.
Kevin Kellems said an ongoing scandal surrounding his boss made it difficult for him to remain effective in his role at the Washington-based institution.

Mr Kellems, who had also worked with Mr Wolfowitz at the White House, is expected to leave his post next week.

Sort of EPU’d - rats leaving a sinking ship?

mc @ 70

The first words out of the chimp’s mouth offend the Queen and embarass a nation (via huffpo):

President Bush: “You helped our nation celebrate its Bicentennial in 17…1976…”

(Pause and laughter)

Queen Elizabeth: (Inaudible)

President Bush: “She gave me a look that only a mother could give a child.”

(Laughter)

Poor Queen Lizzy. She must hate that man. Considering she has had a lifetime’s experience in looking bland and gracious in unpleasant public situations, it’s quite something that the veneer cracks here.

Rayne @ 68

Bwa-hahahahahahahah!

Well, yes. exactly.

Unless you can drop 5-lb speaker magnets on your drive, the organization’s server, and at their off-site back-up storage location (plus the same for any other organization that received the file/e-mail), it’s very hard to “disappear” any file from an organization that runs anything close to best-practice IT.

That said, we are, of course, talking about the Republican National Committee…

selise @ 53

twolf1 @ 48

OT - Report: Saudis, US sponsoring covert action against Iran

another chapter of “stupid and immoral”?

we’ve got to impeach this idiots - i don’t know another way to stop the insanity….

Why oh why would Iran be looking to bolster support in Iraq? Someone please tell me why would Iran feel the need to seek more allies in the region?

I tell ya. The US always gets outsnookered by Iran. It’ll happen this time too.

-GSD

JeffinBerlin @ 73

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6632939.stm
“A senior aide to embattled World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz has announced his resignation
.
Kevin Kellems said an ongoing scandal surrounding his boss made it difficult for him to remain effective in his role at the Washington-based institution.

Mr Kellems, who had also worked with Mr Wolfowitz at the White House, is expected to leave his post next week.

Sort of EPU’d - rats leaving a sinking ship?

The beginning of the Wolfo-blitz.

-GSD

GSD @ 76

selise @ 53

twolf1 @ 48

another chapter of “stupid and immoral”?

we’ve got to impeach this idiots - i don’t know another way to stop the insanity….

Why oh why would Iran be looking to bolster support in Iraq? Someone please tell me why would Iran feel the need to seek more allies in the region?

I tell ya. The US always gets outsnookered by Iran. It’ll happen this time too.

-GSD

Politics in the regions is positively Byzantine in its complexity and subtlety. The Americans don’t stand a chance, in the long run.

This one is by the author Rayne cites…gwb/rnc/congress and the single contractor, etc.

http://scoop.epluribusmedia.or.....22612/9031

Might be able to use that to start…

Good info, but above my payscale. I’m just a kludge, a blank one at that.

Fern @ 74

Poor Queen Lizzy. She must hate that man. Considering she has had a lifetime’s experience in looking bland and gracious in unpleasant public situations, it’s quite something that the veneer cracks here.

I think she does fantasize about driving a monster truck around various places, maybe not the Rose Garden, but prolly over George W.

Elliott @ 72

Rayne @ 68

Stupid to try to erase, even if it was remotely possible to select one email and do a military wipe on that one file only — because you have to get them all.

Bwa-hahahahahahahah!

[my bold]
cockroach bytes

Yep, they’re pretty much helpless on this one.

Darn those internets!

Mutant Poodle @ 75

That said, we are, of course, talking about the Republican National Committee…

Somehow I don’t see these folks being smart enough to pull off a plot to detonate a massive EMP device big enough to take down all DC, let alone get Blackberry and any and all commercial/private email systems through which their collection of RICO communications have traversed. Nor would they be smart enough to pull off buying a targeted worm.

mc @ 70

The first words out of the chimp’s mouth offend the Queen and embarass a nation (via huffpo):

President Bush: “You helped our nation celebrate its Bicentennial in 17…1976…”

(Pause and laughter)

Queen Elizabeth: (Inaudible)

President Bush: “She gave me a look that only a mother could give a child.”

(Laughter)

Bush’s last comment almost sounds proud that he got the Queen to ‘crack’ her facade. Good grief, he’s such an embarrassment.

Talk about “tidbits”:

I did not know that WaPo’s Mary Ann Akers, who avidly and voraciously drinks the Kool-aid about the leftist blogosphere concocted by Lieberman gophers, is married to Newsweek’s Mike Isikoff, a “Beltway journalist.”

christine @ 83

mc @ 70

The first words out of the chimp’s mouth offend the Queen and embarass a nation (via huffpo):

President Bush: “You helped our nation celebrate its Bicentennial in 17…1976…”

(Pause and laughter)

Queen Elizabeth: (Inaudible)

President Bush: “She gave me a look that only a mother could give a child.”

(Laughter)

Bush’s last comment almost sounds proud that he got the Queen to ‘crack’ her facade. Good grief, he’s such an embarrassment.

The Queen mother obviously would not fit in well at a Skull and Bones towel snapping session. More is the pity!

Mutant Poodle @ 75

Rayne @ 68

Bwa-hahahahahahahah!

Well, yes. exactly.

Unless you can drop 5-lb speaker magnets on your drive, the organization’s server, and at their off-site back-up storage location (plus the same for any other organization that received the file/e-mail), it’s very hard to “disappear” any file from an organization that runs anything close to best-practice IT.

That said, we are, of course, talking about the Republican National Committee…

MZM’s first contract was for such things…later contracts even more shadowy. (Joking, but still…these bloody tangled webs are everywhere.)

Rayne @ 82

Mutant Poodle @ 75

That said, we are, of course, talking about the Republican National Committee…

Somehow I don’t see these folks being smart enough to pull off a plot to detonate a massive EMP device big enough to take down all DC, let alone get Blackberry and any and all commercial/private email systems through which their collection of RICO communications have traversed. Nor would they be smart enough to pull off buying a targeted worm.

Stop giving them ideas!

If I’ve been sending out “problematic” emails from my DOJ/WH computer, wiping it clean would only be one element of the problem. There are also all those computers of the people to whom I sent my emails.

And if just one of those computers has an incriminating email . . .
And if just one of Henry’s subpoenas finds its way to that computer’s owner . . .

That’s the problem with obstructing justice — all those damn loose ends. You’ve got to sweep each and every last one of them up, or you’re headed for the John Mitchell Suite in the federal prison system.

Each
And
Every
Last
One.

Getting much sleep, Karl?

Rayne @ 68

Stupid to try to erase, even if it was remotely possible to select one email and do a military wipe on that one file only — because you have to get them all.

Bwa-hahahahahahahah!

Elliott @ 72

[my bold]
cockroach bytes

Mandrake @ 81

Yep, they’re pretty much helpless on this one.

Darn those internets!

I just flashed on grey goo here

Clueless Kurtz:

Anonymous: Hi, Howard. We hear incessantly about how this group or that group is funded by George Soros, as though that fact, by itself, proves the group’s political affiliations. But those groups do not purport to be nonpartisan newspapers or sources of news. The Politico claims exactly that. Surely it is notable that those who created The Politico, who are funding it, and who are in charge of its operations, are long-time Republican operatives and those firmly implanted in right-wing circles. What do you think?

Howard Kurtz: If John Harris, Jim VandeHei, Mike Allen and Roger Simon are longtime Republican operatives, somehow it’s escaped my notice.

Biodun @ 84

Talk about “tidbits”:

I did not know that WaPo’s Mary Ann Akers, who avidly and voraciously drinks the Kool-aid about the leftist blogosphere concocted by Lieberman gophers, is married to Newsweek’s Mike Isikoff, a “Beltway journalist.”

we need a Hugh-type list of who’s zooming who.

Biodun @ 84

Talk about “tidbits”:

I did not know that WaPo’s Mary Ann Akers, who avidly and voraciously drinks the Kool-aid about the leftist blogosphere concocted by Lieberman gophers, is married to Newsweek’s Mike Isikoff, a “Beltway journalist.”

Achey and Inky, sittin’ in a tree, H-Y-P-E-I-N-G…

;>)

Rayne @ 82

Mutant Poodle @ 75

That said, we are, of course, talking about the Republican National Committee…

Somehow I don’t see these folks being smart enough to pull off a plot to detonate a massive EMP device big enough to take down all DC, let alone get Blackberry and any and all commercial/private email systems through which their collection of RICO communications have traversed. Nor would they be smart enough to pull off buying a targeted worm.

Mandrake’s right: Stop giving them ideas!

Peterr @ 88

That’s the problem with obstructing justice — all those damn loose ends. You’ve got to sweep each and every last one of them up, or you’re headed for the John Mitchell Suite in the federal prison system.

Can we resurrect Martha Mitchell and make Karl share the cell with her?

Every time I turn around Rudy the G is involved in more white-collar thuggery.

A pair of companies owned by Rudy Giuliani represented both a debtor and a creditor in a recently concluded bankruptcy proceeding, a potential conflict of interest that wasn’t disclosed to the federal judge overseeing the case, records show.

http://online.wsj.com/article/.....primary_hs

Frank Probst @ 4

Bay Sta