
It's hard to determine who's dumber: Mitt Romney spouting off nonsense or Perry Bacon, the WaPo reporter who doesn't bother to fact-check what Romney says.
To wit, here's Romney making an ass of himself about the French, whilst talking to students of Regent University, the fourth-tier religious school founded by Pat Robertson which has supplied so many Bush Administration flunkies:
"There is no work more important to America's future than the work that is done within the four walls of the American home," Romney said. He also criticized people who choose not to get married because they enjoy the single life.
"It seems that Europe leads Americans in this way of thinking," Romney told the crowd of more than 5,000. "In France, for instance, I'm told that marriage is now frequently contracted in seven-year terms where either party may move on when their term is up. How shallow and how different from the Europe of the past."
Except that this is total bullshit he or one of his running buddies picked up from some third-hand remembrance of a French romantic comedy entitled Seven Years of Marriage. Last I heard, French filmmakers weren't in charge of rewriting French law. (Oh, and the film's plot — seven years of marriage making a married couple's thoughts turn to straying – looks to have been inspired in part by the American classic film The Seven Year Itch. What was that about French immorality again, Mitt?)
But wait, it gets better:
And he twice referred to the Virginia Tech shootings on April 16 in which a gunman killed 32 people before killing himself.
"We're shocked by the evil of the Virginia Tech shooting," Romney said. "I opened my Bible shortly after I heard of the tragedy. Only a few verses, it seems, after the Fall, we read that Adam and Eve's oldest son killed his younger brother. From the beginning, there has been evil in the world."
He added: "Pornography and violence poison our music and movies and TV and video games. The Virginia Tech shooter, like the Columbine shooters before him, had drunk from this cesspool."
Well, except for the fact that he hadn't:
Just after the shooting, Dr. Phil and religious anti-game crusader Jack Thompson were all-too-quick to point the finger at video games as being somehow at blame. We can now confirm that not a single video game was found in the dorm room of the killer…
[...]
…Also, according to Cho Seung Hui's roommates, the man never even played video games during his rare appearances in the common living area in the dorm.
Land o' Goshen! You'd think that the WaPo reporter would note some of the spots where Romney's speechifying head-butts reality, so that it would be crystal-clear why this guy has no chance at the presidency despite the wads of money he's raised. But no: Every statement is reported unchallenged.
Arrrghhhhh.



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raven @ 1
Whatevah it takes bra! Whatevah it takes. LOL
My favorite Romney from the debate:
Its not just Osama,
its the Sunnis and the Shia…
HI PW, what happened to journaism? Back in the day, the stuff had to be factual. I have been out of the US but I recall reading that some MSS|M or other Fox maybe? had been taken to court over inaccurate reporting. The court, I heard, ruled that the news didn’t have to be accurate. Am I making this up or did it really happen? I go to google.
Hi Raven. Lovely zed.
ROOTZ!!!
I’ll be moving to PA and through the Rootz list I’ve already made contact with someone in the Progressive Dems of the county I’ll be living in!
Love them roots. Now that I’m home, I’ll have to send some $$ along to boost it.
And yes, Willard is dumb as a post politically. All he’s got is a mouth full of white teeth and a good hair cut. Beyond that is nothing but ambition. He’d lose big in MA where he was gov. No one here that I know liked him at all.
Like they said about Oakland. There’s no there there.
You all know that there’s a post right under this? Put up 2 minutes earlier.
PW,
Great Post! Mitt might be smarter than a post but not by much.
Seven years of marriage, huh?
Did he say anything about seven brides?
HotFlash @ 4
Phoenix Woman says:
But PW, you KNOW the the only task for corporate owned media is to be stenographer for the rich and powerful. Besides, it’s only DFH’s that care about things like facts. Facts can only get in the way of the narrative so at best they’re optional.
solai @ 6
ok, it’s gone.
The other post crashed I Think. I posted a comment and got the ‘white screen of dead post’
I didn’t do it honest!
Joe Scarborough just said, “I agree with Arianna Huffington,” about Iraq, and then realized he’d better explain himself. Poor Republicans; they’re so confused these days. (that’s not OT is it?)
lolo @ 12
It’ll come back later.
Scarecrow @ 13
WOW! Joe Scar agreeing with Arianna? He’ll lose his wing-nutter card. Although I think he actually gave it up voluntarily some time ago.
Scarecrow @ 14
Wasn’t it a heads up for a Salon deal?
No comment…judge for yourself.
OT ~ Dick Morris is an asshole!
drivin’ by
has this been posted yet ?
Romney hires Blackwater Vice Chair Cofer Black
back in a bit
What happens if all of us send a correction to the newspaper? Will they start checking it?
damn frenchies – buncha fornicators.
OK, found a story about Fox and a succesful whistleblower suit that was overturned by the Florida Appeals Court. Project Censored. Involves Fox, Bovine Growth Hormone and Monsanto.
PW!
solai @ 11
zombies were hungry
She said “Land o’ Goshen!” ;)
Ah well, who has time to fact check nowadays. It might have caused the the article to miss the deadline for the Sundays issue. It’s more important to show that you got “the get” than to actually enlighten your readers.
But Romney looks so Presidential…so what if he’s having trouble winning arguments with phytoplankton. After all, phytoplankton don’t hate our freedoms.
Or something like that.
Lou Costello @ 17
Is that news?
punaise @ 20
They fight with their feet and f**k with their faces!
raven @ 16
Yes, but I don’t think it was supposed to come up the same time as Phoenix Woman’s thread — we sometimes forget to fix the schedule time before saving, and a post just pops in.
lolo @ 12
Yeah – but did you get the zed?
raven @ 26
Wait…need pictures…
This is classic.. and I wish I could capture the phenomena crisply… Goopers KNOW that they have to lie to the unwashed right wing christian whackos- and they have NO idea how outrageous to be when they do it.
It was like a black hole. What happened? Maybe it launched on the wrong day and Jane pulled it. Cassie got the zed I was ready to pounce but saw it was a book salon and had to type an appropriate comment not my usual ZeD☼.
so strange!
lolo
.
Helen @ 28
I think Cassie did – she was bragging in the previous thread and the linky went into the empty toobz…
lolo @ 31
My ZED is gone!!!! :( :( FDL owes me a zed!!!!!
No one ever seems to care when I talk about this, but the racism against French people that comes from the Right Wing as a matter of POLICY, really disgusts me. I guess everyone thinks it’s fine to bash the French, and the British do it all the time, but my problem is that it is done in an organized way by the GOP and the Bush Administration.
The French didn’t buy into the war in Iraq, so they became the enemy. It became OK to say that Kerry looked French as an insult. But look, this was a Presidential election strategy. It is racism in a institutional way.
Not to mention that Bush should be nice to our allies so that they will help when called upon. If Cheney and Rummy hadn’t gone through Europe insulting the populations, then their Governments might have been able to support us in Iraq.
Now that it appears that the right wingers are taking over in France, can we now go back to “French fries”?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 35
Curly fries are better.
dakine-left you a hug last thread, no need to go back just a hug
((((dakine))))
last fall was at a friend’s house and rare we were in living room with tv on-republican, although never talks politics–gardening and food…….showed romney on tv, she said romney looked presidential……..scary……….he did, well spoken and clips were all about his movements, no talking……….
looks presidentail, what does that mean really? think about it. i did.
lots of americans think this way, and are going to vote that way……
has the thinking shifted enough to include someone who looks everyday american? whatever that is? or are we still stuck on looking for the great white father? i think most are still stuck on that, including some people here………looks still count all over america, that’s image, that’s pr…….how many of us are looking for that?
on my mind lately hearing everyone talk.
who do we really want to lead us?
SnarKassandra @ 33
Pachacutec did it; that’s why we banned him.
Romney-Guilliani-McCain=3 coins in the fountain
We got french goopers in charge now- everything will be fine.
SnarKassandra @ 33
My ZED is gone!!!! :( :( FDL owes me a zed!!!!!
Don’t worry, when the post comes back your Zed will be there. That’ll be your second, I think? So you earned the right to be SnarKazzandra if you want to.
Hope this isn’t OT, but I did a search of the previous thread before posting.
Scarecrow @ 13
Heh! Not at all.
Did everybody have the chance to get their zeds? I was kicked offline for a bit.
dakine01 @ 15
I still believe that JoeScar will wh*re himself out to whatever audience he thinks he can play to. When he follows or is on the wing nut shows, he’s a wingnut, when he follows Keith, he tries to hold on to Keith’s audience.
Goopers know that they have to lie and be outrageous when they address the unwashed heathen christian right- but they have no idea how far to go with the lyin and outrageousness- so they say things that are – well- bizarre.
If that had been Gore making the French marriage claim, I can imagine what the MSM would be saying. “Al Gore invented the 7 year marriage contract, sold it to the French, and laundered the money through a Buddhist temple!”
EPU’d – Jane, thanks for the nice words in the last thread about our Plan B victory here in CT. It sure felt good to win one, even as the opposition forces gather to refute our victory, such as the article in today’s Waterbury Republican-American that I discussed on my blog:
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2007…..-that.html
I’m sure we’ll be battling for this one long after the governor signs this bill into law.
PW, the WaPo has an ombudsman! You may direct your comments to her. She will address them in her column if they reflect well on the paper.
Never mind.
Phoenix Woman @ 43
The zed was right in front of me, and I froze. Then I thought I was in limbo. Congrats raven.
Helen @ 28
SnarKassandra beat her to it…
Off to do stupid chores and clean the stupid kitchen. I hope I have time to come back.
bluejeansntshirt @ 49
Phoenix Woman @ 43
Scarecrow @ 13
Joe Scarborough just said, “I agree with Arianna Huffington,” about Iraq, and then realized he’d better explain himself. Poor Republicans; they’re so confused these days. (that’s not OT is it?)
Heh! Not at all.
Did everybody have the chance to get their zeds? I was kicked offline for a bit.
The zed was right in front of me, and I froze. Then I thought I was in limbo. Congrats raven.
You know, I’ve been around here a while and I still don’t get it. I was having trouble enough with the constant “Fitz”!
Perhaps we can talk the French into bombing Iran now.
Everybody does it! Spies on the U.S.
Justin Raimando on the upcoming and underreported A*P*C trial at the American conservative
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2…..ticle.html
bluejeansntshirt @ 49
ya gotta move fast here! ;-)
Cassie – ck mail.
dmac @ 37
I saw the hug and thank you.
The nutters have been doing the “looks presidential” number ever since JFK. They think that’s the only reason he got elected. But it’s the same mentality that had people voting for the Chimp because he’s the one they would have preferred to have a beer with. Estupido.
LoudounLib @ 55
she who hesitates is lost
lolo @ 12
lolo, did you get a ghost zed?
Q: “Tell me something you don’t like about America?”
Mitt Romney: “Nothing!”
Shorter Harold Ford Jr.(D-INO): Forgive him.
Sean Penn: Bill O’Reilly and then some.
Gary Shandling: Pop-up ads!
SnarKassandra @ 51
Oh darn those responsiblities!
WaPo only fact-checks Democrats, and usually incorrectly.
RevDeb @ 44 says:
He doesn’t succeed, at least where I’m concerned. KO ends I’m on to a movie, sports, anything but Joe Scar.
TeddySanFran @ 48
I know Lil’ Debbie all too well from her stint with the PiPress. I think I’ll pass, thanks.
LoudounLib @ 55
raven @ 58
Went down looking!!!
Lou Costello @ 60
Ha, I taped it and just now finished watching. Maher was pretty cool about France.
PW: This is just too much. Is he kidding?? More important than foreign policy?????
quote: Mitt Romney–”There is no work more important to America’s future than the work that is done within the four walls of the American home”
He’s learned the trick of deceiving without actually lying. He was told about this custom. Probably true. But he just mislead all his listeners
He should be proud. He’s a great republican.
Went down looking!!!
Quick n’ the dead.
Silent on new Kent State Findings.
http://www.counterpunch.org/fitrakis05072007.html
Fitkaris and Wasserman have kept the spotlight on the “alleged” illegal Ohio Presidential elections in 2004. A great film at the recent Athens film fest keeps the spotlight turned on.
“How Ohio pulled it off”
http://www.howohiopulleditoff.com/
If you have an opportunity to see this film don’t miss it!
SnarKassandra @ 33
Which is, ironically, exactly what you’ll get.
dakine01 @ 63
He doesn’t succeed, at least where I’m concerned. KO ends I’m on to a movie, sports, anything but Joe Scar.
Yep. I exit as fast as my little remote can take me somewhere else.
Mutant Poodle @ 71
Must be fresh out of bubble gum!
RevDeb @ 72 says:
To paraphrase the song:
“Fingers don’t fail me now!”
ccmask @ 67
By someone other than himself.
I can’t help but think media reform would happen so much more quickly if every reporter were required to take a Google 101 class.
Help Wanted
Where: The Washington Post
What: Political Reporter
Position: On your knees
Necessary Qualifications:
When covering Republicans: An inability to distinguish spin from reality.
When covering Democrats: A deep concern for trivia and deep background DLC-speak.
Preferred : currently sharing bodily fluids with a Republican political operative or Newsweek reporter.
noen @ 42
You might want to read Marcy’s most recent TNH post: Dear George: Fire Wolfie, or Else
Loo Hoo @ 59
LooHoo,
No Cassie got the phantom.
Raven, this was MY FAVORITE part of this week’s show:
It’s nice to hear it out loud.
RevDeb @ 75
Unless he’s talking about drywall.
dakine01 @ 74
To paraphrase the song:
“Fingers don’t fail me now!”
Ah Lowell, how he’s missed.
HotFlash #21, I can personally vouch for the truth of that story. The station in question was FOX-13 in Tampa, where I live. The court ruled that the reporters were not entitled to whistleblower protection, and ordered to pay the court costs of the FOX station, on the grounds that there was no legal requirement that the news be true.
Lou Costello @ 80
Ford was squirming like a red worm on a bream hook!
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 78
Fire Wolfowitz…Impeach the Bush administration! They have all blown their jobs! And killed hundreds of thousands of people in the process
Didn’t I read in line at the supermarket that Dr. Phil is going to help Alec Baldwin and Kim Bassinger or something?
The world just gets stranger and stranger.
ccmask at 67
in a way he is right, think about it, let’s use his logic out of context…….what starts within our own four walls is really powerful…….not in the way he intended……from within our own four walls is where it starts…..
solai @ 68
It’s practice for saying “The British have discovered that . . .”
Raven @ 82: Seriously now. Although I have to admit, when they reformed in the early ’90s, Craig Fuller did a hell of a job in sounding like him with the singing and Tacket was credible on guitar. Now, I’m afraid, not so much.
cbl @ 18
Very serious reason to keep Romney VERY FAR AWAY from the American presidency.
How can Hillary Clinton maintain her populist credentials when Mark Penn, her pollster and chief strategist, also represents the interests of some of America’s largest corporations? Ari Berman explores the inherent contradictions.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070521/berman
Lou Costello @ 60
Hey Lou, did Harold strike you as a younger LIEberman? The Penn/Shandling show was beautiful to watch, I’ve been a fan of Shandling when comedians were poor. *g*
Jane Hamsher @ 86
I think I heard it on the teevee some time recently. Creeps me out.
Oh, and Jane, you’ve got mail.
The curious thing to me about Mitt running for president is the large amount of financial support he is getting from the LDS community. With the forced injection of religion into politics by the christianists, religion will be a valid subject, again, in the presidential campaign. Historically, the LDS Church has kept their theology and religious practices closely held to those within the group. That will change if Mitt moves up in the ranking.
SnarKassandra @ 33
Not necessarily, however, it was a good post and I sent greetings to Jim!!! Cassie, you still can claim a zed, I’m sure you won’t hear any dissension, except from lolo!!! *g*
dakine01 @ 89
Yea, I have a tendency to be stuck in time. I saw the Allmans with Duane twice, Little Feat thrice and I just couldn’t drag myself to their shows. I know this is silly but I can’t help it. I did go see Commander Cody without the Airmen! “I said oh momma momma, why did you pass me by last night”!
I’d rather beat Romney over the head with a few facts than beat lolo to a zed. That being said, I imagine Moliere, the author of Tartuffe, one of the greatest plays about religious hypocrites can see irony this large from afar. Regarding Romney’s appearance at Regent University, he might have done better to pick up his Book of Mormon, and turned to Second Nephi, Chapter 28, verses 11-13, where he could have read to the Regent students
“Yea, they have all gone out of the away; they have become corrupted.
Because of pride, and because of false teachers, and false doctrine, their churches have become corrupted, and their churches are lifted up; because of pride they are puffed up.
They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up.”
raven @ 82
Ah Lowell, how he’s missed.
If you’re referring to Lowell George, I had been listening to Little Feat’s Dixie Chicken album now on one of the educational radio stations near me.
Georgesimian @ 34
I think there was more to the demonization of France than meets the eye, G. It turns out, we learn thanks to reporters from Italy (Collusion), that the French intelligence services were all over the Niger uranium fraud as baseless by late summer, 2002. The DGSE’s SRS unit (in charge of antiterrorism, foreign counterespionage, and WMD counterproliferation) of the French Ministry of Defense was repeatedly asked by the CIA to look into rumors of uranium sales to Iraq by African countries, according to the former chief of SRS, Alain Chouet in Collusion.
If that expert examination on the ground in Africa by France had leaked out pre-invasion, an easy response of ridicule was already pre-arranged with the help of hacks from hickville in the Republican Party in Congress. The key role France played in demolishing the fable (including looking at three actual documents from the fabricated dossier in the summer of 2002 provided to them by the CIA, according to Chouet), is still being suppressed by our government and media.
But we owe France (unlike Britain) an enormous debt of thanks for (carefully and conscientiously) telling it like it was to our intelligence agencies. It’s not France’s fault the CIA deep-sixed the unwanted news, and decided to mock the French people in return to show their “gratitude” – that’s on our government’s head, and remains our abiding shame.
Georgesimian @ 34
agreed! absolutely!
Steve @ 94
I wouldn’t hold my breath. He’s outraised them all and has nothing to show for it. Going no where fast. And that’s just fine with me. Although, prolly any dem could beat the daylights out of him at the polls. Maybe we should encourage him,
greenwarrior @ 90
Fortunately, even the office Republicans I talk to say he has no flippin’ chance. One of them nodded vigorously when I said that he was the Steve Forbes of 2008: Loads of money and no chance in hell.
>
If you’re referring to Lowell George, I’m listening to Little Feat’s Dixie Chicken album now on one of the educational radio stations near me.
None other
“Tripe face boogie now boogie my sneakers away”!
dmac @ 37
NOT someone who has a Blackwater VP advising him!
Petrocelli @ 92
I don’t trust H Ford Jr. He’s more like SloJoe everyday. And if my caller ID said ‘Incoming: DLC’, I block that number.
Jane Hamsher @ 86
Yes, apparently the good Doctor will teach Alec how to insult his kids and then make them feel guilty about it. *g*
Lou Costello @ 105
Plus he drips with that Jesus stuff constantly.
RonD @ 83
Thanks RonD for that. I think.
lolo @ 12
Well if it was the last post that crashed it will at least save this red-faced old brat from tardy pups having to catch me calling Bush’s Poodle Tony Snow.
CTuttle @ 95
HA!
I have so many zeds and plenty to spare.
last count…..guessing over 20 in ONEWEEK !!
HA!
lolo☼
raven @ 107
Yeah, anyone who attributes ’some’ things to God, really has the wrong idea. Probably watching too much 700 Club.
Lou Costello @ 105
I was shocked at his response to that ridiculous ad, and thought he would have ripped into the repubs along with Sean and Bill. I guess he’s one of bluedogs I’ve heard about. Is he the “Ford” who demonized Obama?
In New York City, I’m told, the population has climbed to 40 million and natural foodstuffs no longer exist. Can you imagine? The people survive on a substance called Soylent Green…. How different from New York of the past.
Jane @86: Yes, Dr. Phil revealed that Alec Baldwin called and left a voicemail asking for his assistance in his custody battle and to help him with his “frustration”. Dr. Phil, being the shy guy he is, agreed to counsel Baldwin and will probably have it on his tv show.
Ed*ard Teller @ 97
Maybe we should invite Mitt to do Book Salon. ;)
Jane Hamsher @ 86
Well, then, their problems are over…
raven @ 96
Never got to see the Allmans with Duane although the reformed Bros with Warren Haynes the first time through got dickie pushed off his a**. Same with the Feat, never got t see Lowell live. Saw the Commander in the islands. He played at Blaisdel Exhibition Hall as the Commander Cody Band. Had some hot licks flash guitar player that was prety good. I wound up sitting next to the young Capt who had just taken over as my acctg/finance officer and his wife. Some folks in front of us were in a local band and had some numbers rolled with shake. His wife poked me and told me to go ahead, that he wouldn’t say anything so I did share a few. didn’t tell her that I had a half dozen rolled with finest kine bud in my littel carrying case. :})
Yeah, anyone who attributes ’some’ things to God, really has the wrong idea. Probably watching too much 700 Club.
He believes in evolution but see god’s hand in evrything. . .whoppee, that oughta do him great in the Volunteer State!
lolo @ 110
I think someone needs another hobby! *wink
TeddySanFran @ 62
In all honesty, how could they possibly fact-check the Repugs??? Chaos or String Theory couldn’t even begin to address the reality chasm of the Repugs!!!
RevDeb @ 101
I agree he isn’t going anywhere..I am just surprised that the LDS Church would want the scrutiny coming from Mitt’s run for president.
Anyone who wants the aborted CassieZedThread entitled “FDL Book Salon Welcomes A New Editor and Author Chris Hedges“
send email to
m a c t e c h
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a s t r e e t
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and I’ll send the PDF or Safari archive – specify.
Yes. let’s invite Mitt Romney to visit FDL. I’d love to hear him, lol.
raven @ 103
None other
“Tripe face boogie now boogie my sneakers away”!
“Cuz there’s a fat man, in the bathtub, with the blues.”
lolo @ 110
Is someone in a perpetual Snoopy dance?
Never got to see the Allmans with Duane although the reformed Bros with Warren Haynes the first time through got dickie pushed off his a**. Same with the Feat, never got t see Lowell live. Saw the Commander in the islands. He played at Blaisdel Exhibition Hall as the Commander Cody Band. Had some hot licks flash guitar player that was prety good. I wound up sitting next to the young Capt who had just taken over as my acctg/finance officer and his wife. Some folks in front of us were in a local band and had some numbers rolled with shake. His wife poked me and told me to go ahead, that he wouldn’t say anything so I did share a few. didn’t tell her that I had a half dozen rolled with finest kine bud in my littel carrying case. :})
Great story! He played this tiny place in Barrow County, Ga a couple years back and he just asked if anyone in the crowd had any herbs! They did.
Lou Costello @ 119
I’d count the zed comments so far in this thread but I think I might puke if I did, sigh.
Later, all
If I (like Mitt Romulus) were told that teh French (connoisseurs in many regards) had developed and practiced a seven year marital contract, I think I would like to learn more about it. It seems like an idea whose time has come.
Even if I were a Regent Christian Warmonger Student (and especially if I were a rethuglican), in the back of my mind I would contemplate that concept as one having possible merit. Some students did give it credence to be sure, but they had to reject such thoughts immediately and chalk it up to Satan whispering in their ear.
Lou Costello @ 105
Lou, he’d still be better than Corker!!! As much as I dislike the DLC and the bluedogs, I’d rather more D’s than R’s!!!
raven @ 118
He believes in evolution but see god’s hand in evrything. . .whoppee, that oughta do him great in the Volunteer State!
The REAL joke is about the whole thing is: God CREATED Evolution! 707
Behold, even as I prophesied, SnarKassandra’s zed.
The CassieZedThread has returned.
Lou Costello @ 130
The REAL joke is about the whole thing is: God CREATED Evolution! 707
Nice!
Scarecrow @ 132
Perfect, g’night!
Cozumel @ 127
Coz, lighten up, we’re only having fun with lolo, but, I agree Lou, ahem!!!
raven @ 126
LOL! He put on a pretty good show but looked like he was a crispy critter then. Not sure I can picture him twenty plus years later. The crowd I saw was small enough, that the Capt I mentioned and the lead singer for the band sitting in front of us, wound up singing back-up on a couple of songs at the end. Serious free form.
full Page ad in the New York Times by CNI
http://cnifoundation.org/index…..;Itemid=41
I was only kidding (read: jealous). Me and lolo have been down that road before..Deja Vu! *grin
Raven #133, LouC, I had a conversation recently with a Catholic nun friend of mine who told me flatly that the Church had no problem with evolution, as it is plainly real: she said the Church’s position was that in the mechanics of evolution is revealed the glory of God. Conflict between religion and science? None.
Scarecrow @ 115
ET,
I feel so honored that you would put that before the zed because I am LDS (my initials) and religion. I am what is called by some a Jack Mormon. I would rather read pull up a chair with CHS than go to church. I am not perfect but am pure in heart. There is nothing, nothing I detest more than fake Mormons. Who knows maybe they all are. I would love to have Mr. Romney here to answer our questions, has he written any books? Anyway I am rambling but just wanted to say “you are right.”
lolo
Kathleen @ 70
i was in italy at the time, crossing the street reading a newspaper, reading that spiro agnew had called college students in america bums. i stopped stock still. couldn’t believe what i was reading. then realized i didn’t have that exact luxury – i was in traffic. black times.
allan_in_upstate @ 77
Eggs-sellant!
How low can Bush’s approval rating go? How low can he go to blow his job… Low Low Low..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18…../newsweek/
PUKE BUCKET ON AISLE 127
RonD @ 139
I’m with her. She should have her own show on CBN. Maybe the fundie creationists would listen. But they’d probably stone her.
CTuttle @ 135
Cozumel @ 127
Lou Costello @ 119
lolo @ 110
I have so many zeds and plenty to spare.
last count…..guessing over 20 in ONEWEEK !!
I think someone needs another hobby! *wink
I’d count the zed comments so far in this thread but I think I might puke if I did, sigh.
Later, all
Coz, lighten up, we’re only having fun with lolo, but, I agree Lou, ahem!!!
Sorry. I’ve got a huge six figure deal that I am going to pull off tomorrow and I’m edgy ; )
Apologies again, and nite all ; )
lolo @ 144
As my dear mother was wont to say:
Men will be boys.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 91
i don’t remember her getting populist credentials. was it from some fourth rate institution like regent university?
Hagel as an Independent. I have always thought if Hagel or Gore ran as Independents all hell would break loose. The time is now for Independents.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0507.html
Sweet dreams Coz, we will send good vibes for you tomorrow. Good luck, don’t worry all will be fine.
((((Cosumel)))))
going waaayyy back to the oringinal ‘fingers don’t fail me now!’ pun.
It isn’t quite a pun as much as an Escherish transition..
‘FEATS Don’t Fail Me Now’ to ‘FEET don’t fail’…to ‘fingers don’t fail’
Just for clarity in the ‘record’
Sneakin’ Sally Thru the Alley.
Oh. I did see the originals. Second loudest show I’ve ever seen. First is G.Clinton/PFunk All-Stars. And craaaazzzzyyyy.
C’mon fellow FDL’ers, Jim is a gracious victim, err, guest, come and say aloha!!! Excellent post!!
Twilight of the neo-cons? @salon
http://www.salon.com/tech/htww…..7/kellems/
wha..??I missed another zed???
Lou Costello @ 145
With tongue firmly in cheek – She’s a nun and therefore a female, ergo she has no authority to assert that position on behalf of The Church [Christianist rule (ie: Chauvinistic, sexist) - not mine].
It would be nice if it were so, but it is a highly atypical opinion and one not approved by the Catholic Church writ large.
Kennedy’s play bingo!
http://www.salon.com/books/aut…..oundtable/
Jane Hamsher @ 86
He is already helping them. He also went on Larry King with Bill Maher and Jane Fonda to insult Larry last Friday at his “roast.” Dr Phil gets around.
I can’t even begin to tell you how pissed off I was to read that article in the WaPo. It irritated me to no end that this reporter, in addition to failing to fact check the French thing, also failed to know that what Willard was spouting was pure Mormon doctrine.
Single adults in the Mormon church are pressured into marriage. You can’t get to the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom without it. Consequently, the level of rhetoric is so high that after a certain point, single Mormons (like myself) simply bag the church rather than hear over and over and over again that being married is the highest and best state and we’re gonna miss out on the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom.
I suspect that Willard’s a bit more connected than I am, and he could ask the Mormon church’s highest leaders how that “Let’s harass the single adults into marriage” thing is working out. If the scuttlebutt I’ve heard is correct, the vast majority of unmarried Mormons over 30 have voted with their feet.
Kathleen @ 149
The repugs believe they need a spoiler. A three way race with an (R)Independent (a wolf in sheep’s clothing) could split the vote in a peculiar way – creating a smokescreen for stealing the election again with a clever new design.
Hagel wearing a phony Independent wrapper, could be packaged to appear rational, fair, decent, family valued, strong and – importantly – distanced from Dubya Disaster. Many voters may feel that Hagel is more attractive than Hillary. ;)
Hack #155, not only is she a nun, she is also a PhD instructor at a local university, and I’m happy to say, an utterly fearless intellectual. As a militant agnostic myself,I tend to shy away a little from the deeply devout, but she’s great. I enjoy her company and conversation very much.
Mirele @ 158
woo hoo – this certainly explains the recent protests of Cheney’s visit to Salt Lake City.
Mirele @ 158
Could a Mormon couple possibly opt for one of those French seven year marriages and still get Celestially seasoned? Mitt ought to think about that before he goes knocking those seven year marriage contracts again.
hmmm…I’d better read the fine print – we were married in France.
RonD @ 160
As a yoga/meditation teacher, I have spoken to many theists, atheists and agnostics. I saw the fight within the Christian faith between moderates and fundamentalists beginning in the ’80s, just as I saw the fight between radical and moderate followers of Islam beginning in the late ’80s. The one thing that has struck me is how divinely human, people like your Catholic Nun are in their demeanor; they actually practice the essence of their faith and they are present in every faith. I feel blessed to spend any time in their company.
A couple of years back, the Republicans ran a second rate candidate in California for some seat (was it Senator?). His only qualification seemed to be that his mother had been state controller or some such. The know-nothings, who occasionally get what I consider bad initiatives passed (like term limits and three-strikes) had gotten open primaries instated earlier. Forgive my lack of ‘good faith’, but I voted for the sucker in the primary, just for the pleasure of seeing him walloped in the general election. Spoiling is dangerous. Should I be ashamed?
Mormons have a large herd of business interests they ain’t jest buyin the presidency fer the fun of it.
The Washington Post has no needs for facts; they are not a reality based news outlet; they, like Bush, make their own reality.
raven @ 118
He believes in evolution but see god’s hand in evrything. . .whoppee, that oughta do him great in the Volunteer State!
Hey, me too. Oh, wait, which God does he believe in? Is it the one with 7 wives who levitates?
Lou Costello @ 80
Penn’s comments had to cause Hannity/O’Reilly to eat a lot of Rolaids…and agonize at having to wait the weekend until Monday to hit back.
If I had the constitution to watch O’Reilly to hear his response, I would…but alas, I don’t.
solai @ 68
Well, well, well…even the arch-conservative Heritage Foundation doesn’t think the French have an extraordinarily high rate of divorce.
http://www.divorcereform.org/gul.html
France has a Divorce Rate of 38.3 out of 100 marriages. Identical with that seat of raving sex and coffee houses, the Netherlands! However, that’s far less than the dear old USA (”the most religious country in the World” where Mitt sees nothing wrong) which has a rate of United States 54.8 (85), that’s statistically identical to that hot-house of Socialist decadence Sweden at 54.9/100. And behind Belarus at 52.9/100. We’re essentially tied for the highest divorce rates according to the Heritage sampling. And France has fewer divorces than Austria (43.4), Belgium (44), the Czech Republic (43.3), Denmark (44.5), Estonia (46.7), Finland (51.2), Germany (39.4),
Iceland (39.5), Lithuania (38.9), Luxembourg (47.4), Norway (40.4)
Russia (43.3), Ukraine (40),and the United Kingdom (42.6).
In fact the US ranks worst than nations like Saudi Arabia (where the man need simply say “I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you” three times in public), most African nations, the entire Muslim world, and the top 20 most impoverished nations in the world.
I guess that means there are plenty of more “holy” models for Mitt to point to when he gets on his “divorce is sinful” soapbox. But maybe he’s simply using this for leverage against Giuliani, McCain and Gingrich? Y’think?
Hey, no dissing Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels! You wouldn’t catch Mitt Romney or Perry Bacon cruisin’ in a hot poodle van.
You were expecting a reporter for the Washington Post to be as interested in the truth as those who read his articles?
If you think Romney is bad, you need to take a closer look at wingnut jesus freak president-elect Nicolas Sarkozy.
He published a little known book, “La Rpublique, les religions, l’esprance”
http://chiesa.espresso.repubbl…..&eng=y
“Yes, this is the strategic proposal. France must confront the issue of financing for the Churches: “Let us admit without hypocrisy that there is a contradiction between the desire to acknowledge the religions as a positive factor in society and completely denying them any form of public financing.”
According to Sarkozy, there is an insurmountable difficulty for those who “think it is natural for the state to finance a soccer field, a library, a theatre, a childcare center; but whenever it is a matter of the needs of a place of worship, the state should not spend so much as a penny.”
The passage from general principle to concrete application does not diminish the surprise of Sarkozy’s proposal, because his recommendations concern the construction of places of worship, the “most appropriate fiscal accommodations for the faithful who participate in offerings for the maintenance of the clergy,” and even financial aid for the formation of the clergy, including “making available instructors on non-spiritual subjects, allowing the use of public property, and signing conventions with religious representatives for the education of French ministers of worship.””
It only gets worse. France has its very own Bush now.
Romney wants to sound like someone you would bring home to meet Momma. But he is just someone to park with
Mitt Romney has the financial backing of the Mormon Nation and the Bush machine. Jeb for VP is in the cards, no doubt. Let Romney spit out farcical myths as “fact” for a while, and his candidacy will fail on it’s own. A shallow puppet with a hand up his butt can only work for so long.
Everyone knows that Cain killed Abel because he watched too much porn and played too many violent video games…