The President of the United States recently told us that the measure of success in Iraq is a reduced level of “sectarian violence,” terms likely chosen to correspond with the fact that the US military does not count as “sectarian violence” the 27 people killed in a recent car bombing like that shown in the photo. And he is willing to accept continuing high levels of US casualties to obtain his new misleading goal.
“Either we’ll succeed, or we won’t succeed,” he said. “And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down. Success is not no violence. … But success is a level of violence where the people feel comfortable about living their daily lives.”
In the same speech, and without acknowledging the slightest contradiction with the goal of reducing sectarian violence, the President then explained that sectarian violence is not the problem we face in Iraq:
“For America, the decision we face in Iraq is not whether we ought to take sides in a civil war, it’s whether we stay in the fight against the same international terrorist network that attacked us on 9/11,” Bush said. “I strongly believe it’s in our national interest to stay in the fight.”
“The recent attacks are not the revenge killings that some have called a civil war,” Bush told the Associated General Contractors of America. “They are a systematic assault on the entire nation. Al-Qaida is public enemy No. 1 in Iraq.”
Aside from putting into play whether “staying in the fight” is or isn’t in our national interest, there is, of course, no reason to assume that the al Qaeda group controlled by Osama bin Ladin, operating out of Afghanistan and/or Pakistan, and responsible for attacking the US on 9/11 and other occasions is the same as or even operationally directing the group calling itself “al Qaeda in Iraq.” The Bush/Cheney Administration’s policies have probably inspired many groups around the world only too willing to call themselves “al Qaeda” but having no proven operational connection with bin Laden, let alone 9/11.
Yet the White House will continue to conflate these groups because they know that the media will not question or explain it and will rarely invite onto their news shows any expert who might point out that we are being lied to again about the link between Iraq, bin Laden and 9/11. It is imperative that the media seek out experts who can debunk this continuing falsehood. This Administration will not stop lying, because to do so would concede that they started a war on false pretenses and without any justification, and are continuing it for the same reasons; and their neocon supporters who wanted and planned this war and still cheer it on will continue the lies into the next generation.
While the nation shakes its collective head over the President’s continuing dishonesty and escalating incoherence, the US military released a report of a survey of the mental health of US troops in Iraq, the effects of extended tours and the troops’ attitudes towards the Iraqi people. FDL’s Siun highlighted this study in last night’s post.
The results are dismaying but not surprising nor unique to this war, but they should be factored into the ongoing national debate about continued funding of the US occupation. The survey finds many reasons to be concerned about our soldiers’ mental health — increased incidence of anxiety, depression and acute stress — but here I focus on the effect of the war on troop attitudes towards Iraqis. From Reuters, via the New York Times:
WASHINGTON, May 4 (Reuters) — Only 40 percent of American marines and 55 percent of soldiers in Iraq say they would report a fellow service member for killing or injuring an innocent Iraqi, a Pentagon study published Friday showed.
The study, which showed increasing rates of mental health problems for troops on extended or multiple deployments, also said well over one-third of soldiers and marines believed that torture should be allowed to gain information that could save the lives of American troops, or knowledge about insurgents.
Of the 1,320 soldiers and 447 marines who took part, about 10 percent said they had mistreated civilians through physical violence or damage to personal property. . . .
“Soldiers with high levels of anger, who had experienced high levels of combat or who screened positive for mental health symptoms, were nearly twice as likely to mistreat noncombatants,” the acting Army surgeon general, Maj. Gen. Gale S. Pollock, told reporters.
It is not news to veterans that war can brutalize some combatants, and combat with forces that are indistinguishable from ordinary civilians — the very conditions our troops face in Iraq — is particularly problematic. And we could make a further connection between this Administration’s enthusiastic embrace of torture and its relative lack of concern about civilian casualties whenever it thinks it has a “high value” target in its bomb sights. There is a sizeable chunk of the US population that believes such actions are justified and not war crimes. But my point is not to blame or excuse the troops but rather to ask what these predictable survey results mean for the national debate about continuing to fund the US occupation.
No one has satisfactorily explained how a military strategy designed to win over the civilian population of a country that we invaded and continue to occupy after five years could possibly succeed under the best of circumstances. And the conditions are far from the best. The chosen tactic of our new General is to send US troops house to house, often at night, literally breaking down gates and doors, rousting the inhabitants, interrogating them, and hauling off those suspected of trying (or wanting) to kill Americans. If this were the British entering US homes, many of us would qualify.
After breaking and entering, our troops are expected, with the help of an Iraqi interpreter, to sort out “insurgents” or “al Qaeda,” or whoever, from non-combatants in the same household. In the process, our troops are expected to treat the innocent civilians with respect — a condition already made impossible by breaking and entering into their homes and arresting their relatives — while our guys protect themselves from the likely possibility that some of the people they encounter want to kill them. How exactly is this supposed to work? And why would any decent commander who cared about those under his command ask his troops to do this?
The results of the mental health survey only highlight the absurdity of US policies, though this must be obvious to Iraqis. I seriously doubt that Iraqi civilians, who probably know more about Abu Ghraib than US cititizens, would be surprised to learn that a percentage of US troops would tolerate torturing them if they thought their own security was at risk — and the conditions ensure that it will be continuously at risk. Iraqi civilians surely understand that US forces could kill or injure them, whether carelessly or deliberately, and that there is a good chance that such incidents would not be reported, or worse, covered up as at Haditha, and hence not deterred. They know their lives are given less value, and they probably know that right wing talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck are prepping the next enlistees by indiscriminately disparaging Islamic people. Meanwhile, US politicians in both parties, who have been unable to compromise on what to do about Iraq, continue to blame the Iraqis for their inability to accommodate each other in the middle of a civil war.
The President’s war supporters continually insist that General Petraeus’ “new” strategy be given a chance to succeed — Fred Kagan has yet another op-ed in Sunday’s New York Times pleading that critics stop asking about “Plan B” and give “Plan A” a fair chance — though some Republicans are now saying that they need to have some answers by this Fall. But I haven’t seen any of the media anchors ask why it is even remotely reasonable to expect the “new” strategy to win over the Iraqi people over any period of time, no matter how long, when our own studies and the Iraqis’ own experience tell them that Americans have such little regard for their lives.
Sunday’s L.A. Times editorial page, long a supporter of the President’s “surge,” has finally rejected the President’s delusions and now argues for a [too] gradual withdrawl:
This newspaper reluctantly endorsed the U.S. troop surge as the last, best hope for stabilizing conditions so that the elected Iraqi government could assume full responsibility for its affairs. But we also warned that the troops should not be used to referee a civil war. That, regrettably, is what has happened. . . .
Having invested so much in Iraq, Americans are likely to find disengagement almost as painful as war. But the longer we delay planning for the inevitable, the worse the outcome is likely to be. The time has come to leave.
Congressional Democrats should not give in. The country has rejected this President and supports their efforts to end our occupation of Iraq. It is transparently unconscionable to ask US combat troops to risk their lives trying to fix the Administration’s egregious policy blunders. And the Pentagon’s own health and attitude surveys are warning us that leaving them there longer is only inviting things to become worse — for them and for the Iraqis. Bring them home.
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Good morning, Scarecrow!
And that’s it! Absoultely brilliant posting. It is really simple, bring them home.
billjpa
Maybe even Fox is beginning to figure things out.
They interviewed the Governor Sibelius of Kansas about tornado destruction, and asked her about their National Guard equipment being over in Iraq. “Do you have enough stuff?”
Marathon, not sprint, but sometimes we get glimpses of real progress.
Scarecrow:
and
My italics.
BushCo will never stop lying, and they’re certainly lying about having any military strategy designed to “win over” the Iraqi population. Their purpose is oil, and a strategic military position in the heart of the Middle East, imo.
Good morning, all. There is so much wrong with the way the funding bill is described but “Funding Unacceptable Violence” comes close to the correct way. Thank you, Scarecrow.
When I first heard of the surge, I thought of Nixon when, instead of getting out of Vietnam, escalated it, especially the firebombing. Surge means more troops which means more war which means more death. There’s really no other way of looking at it. The Army are not Police.
Guess they never read that pesky little commandment about “bearing false witness.”
The truth is not in ‘em. At all.
Thanks, Scarecrow. How refreshing to come here for intelligent discourse and fact-based reporting instead of fluff.
After dipping into msnbc post-imus and cnn, there’s only two things to say: FDL and BBC America.
And may I add, I hope Imus collects every nickel of his $120 million. The ones who should have been fired were the network honchos who wrote his contract. Yes, I’m lookin’ at you, Les Moonves…the man who gave us his awful trophy wife Chen, Couric at the anchor desk, the Imus job description….
three strikes right there.
“And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down. Success is not no violence.”
Hey! You forgot that their is a certain level of violence in American cities as well! It is all about getting to that acceptable level of violence.
Now, how many car bombings, executed bodies left in the street, and kidnapping spree’s can one have in a day before it becomes an unacceptable level?
another great read crow…I’d like to add something to this;
the first part of the sentence assumes Americans have acquired the psychological condition known as “escalating commitment”
this is entirely untrue, the vast majority of Americans have no such psychological condition, the vast majority of Americans wanted OUT of Iraq as soon as we discovered there were NO “wmd’s” and certainly as soon as they found out not only were there no wmd’s but the president KNEW there were no wmd’s when he used the claim to get us into the war
more people came on board of “getting out if Iraq as soon as possible regardless of previous investment” as soon as they found out that not only was the president informed invading Iraq would help AL QED and not hurt it
the only people suffering from the psychological syndrome known as “escalating commitment” are the people that lied us into the war in the first place, they are counting on Americans to be as ignorant as they are…it’s their only hope of remaining in Iraq
From Wikipedia
the administration is hoping the physycological condition will keep their base supporting the war this president invented in his own head…they also count on another phsycological condition, escalating commitment usually goes hand in hand with cognitive dissonance
Phil Carter, an Army Reserve junior officer who has done one tour in Iraq and may well be doing another, says we’re up to Plan ‘F’, for ‘Failure’. What comes next is Plan ‘G’ for ‘Get Out’.
http://stridentcentrist.com/sc/archives/258
Minnesotachuck @ 11
Seriously. What Plan was going on for the last four years?
Today’s Daily Kos has an article on how Tenet is cashing in on Iraq (”What a Tangled Web They Weave”). There is no shame for these traitors.
http://www.dailykos.com/
Good morning, gang. Someone have the schedule for upcoming hearings?
At the end of each week, I marvel at the fact that that week has been even more damaging to the regime than the last week, and I assume next week couldn’t top that — but it always does. Maybe this will be Condi’s week. Everyone following what Marcy’s doing at The Next Hurrah?
Nothing like talking about Iraq in the morning to get my blood pressure up. It’s one thing when you glance over the headlines – yeah, more death, more money -but when you get into even the tiniest details you realize how wrong everything about this war is.
Scarecrow is right, of course. Bush has never been able to describe the victory he says he wants. This latest redrawing of the lines is just the latest bullshit coming out of the WH. Ugh.
Scarecrow @ 14
here’s the senate committee hearings schedule.
g’ morning, all – coffee is ready.
Our troops were sent into “moral jeopardy” from the start. And it is no wonder that they are losing their consciences along with their limbs and lives.
Is this nightmare of a presidency over yet??
I would like the next president of the uS to be able to speak in sentences, like an adult.
Bush is so bad.
Sally @ 13
That’s a great article by MB on the front page. Every time I see Tenet on TV I swear he disgusts me more.
Scarecrow, great post. Thanks for the good work. I want to raise an related topic though. We are in a domestic propaganda war right now and one of the key topics that keeps getting asserted is that trends in the level of violence are a relevant indicator of whether things are going well in Iraq or not. From the beginning to the surge propaganda push the claim has been that the surge will, in time, reduce in reduce violence and that this will indicate success. Of course we’ve seen the opposite, but Petraus has promoted the line that we will see results by mid-to-late summer. If the benchmark of progress is a reduction of violence from current levels he will almost certainly make this benchmark. Note however, that an examination of historical trends in violence in Iraq shows that there is always a reduction of violence from June through September. The level of violence has, over the years been in inverse proportion to the temperature and the level of dust storms. In August it is too damn hot to do anything in Iraq.
We need to start anticipating this in our discussions about illusionary benchmarks now or we will be trapped by it when the violence does start to fall. We need to start getting the MSM to look at violence stats in historical context or BushCo will have enough credibility when they point to a (temporarily) falling death toll to extend support for this war.
Our message needs to be: The only statistic that matters is how many US soldiers (and mercenaries) are brought home.
In the end, Bush’s Surge will be recognized as the period during which he fabricated a new definition of victory in Iraq. We don’t know when it will be presented to the public, but we can be sure that he will declare a victory and that Iraq will look pretty much as it does today.
As a note, 11 dead U.S. troops yesterday in Iraq, plus injured, plus a dead journalist. APR07 & MAY07 daily average around 3.9 U.S. dead.
Surge on, George! The enemy thanks you every day you continue.
Frederick Kagan, auhor of the “surge” wrote an editorial yesterday that made some very highly questionable claims. This General Petraeus is being touted as a sort of jack-of-all-trades. As Markos once put it, Kagan seems to be “makings shit up.”
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs,
boy howdy – as a non military person with only a passing sense of military ethos – that has been the question for me forevah – kept getting hung up on Duty and Honor of Duty, Honor, Country – thinking a CO’s primary responsibility was duty to those serving under them
Read the Vanity Fair article about the retired generals who spoke out last year – you will not come away with concrete answers on everything, but it will fill in lots of shading
Vanity Fair
saw that Kagan Op/Ed piece yesterday – feh
learned all I needed to know about him from Gilliard and his community – oh yeah, be sure and read the comments
Gilliard
shorter Gilliard – Bush has made Petraeus his bitch
Scarecrow @ 14
here’s the house committee links page… i don’t know of a single page with all the hearings – so usually i just check the committees i think might be most interesting (like judiciary and oversight). also, speaker pelosi’s blog (sorta – no comments) has good info.
hmmm… i wonder what this will be:
Selise — thanks much for the committee schedules. Lots going on. Maybe you should do a weekly Monday a.m. comment on what’s coming up of interest.
When a pro-war advocate is being interviewed, a standard question should be whether that person has gained financially from the war and will continue to do so.
This violence will surely follow them home. We, as a society, will be paying for this folly with increased violence, since the military has taken away the taboo of killing or torturing and these people are coming home full of rage and believing it’s ok to act out when enraged.
Sally @ 27
OH BABY!!!!
get that to EVERY democrat, ESPECIALLY those that go on the TEEvee
that question to pose is sheer genious in it’s simplicity
Rich @ 23
Rich — I recall reading something at the time about Petraeus comment wrt to the demonstrations. Don’t remember whether it was a “letter” or just a press release.
Sally @ 27
Ditto this and add anti-environment, anti-mass transit, anti-taxes and pretty much anything pro-Bush. There’s really no other justifying anything he does unless someone makes some money out of it. Without that justification, you would have to insane (or, I guess, stupid and misinformed.)
Georgesiminan @ 12 asks:
Plan C = Clusterf*ck.
Scarecrow @ 26
sure, i’ll do that… at least with what has caught my eye… next week looks especially interesting!
dakine01 @ 32
Plan C = Clusterf*ck.
They forgot to turn off Shock and Awe.
Scarecrow @ 14
Speaking of Condi’s week, if she refuses to honour the subpoena, they ought to send a bailiff over to her condo and serve her at 5:30 am. That’s SOP with deadbeats.
egregious @ 4
Iraq War Hampers Kansas Cleanup
GeorgeSimian @ 31
Remember when they wanted to abolish the Dept. of Education? Today’s NY Times covers how they decided to use it to rip off taxpayers instead through the student loan programs.
This Administration will not stop lying, because to do so would concede that they started a war on false pretenses and without any justification, and are continuing it for the same reasons; and their neocon supporters who wanted and planned this war and still cheer it on will continue the lies into the next generation.
That is why we must end this war, and not give up and allow the Bushies to run out the clock. The false pretenses of everything surrounding this war must be exposed, but if we want to have a chance of burying this evil so it doesn’t rise again, we have to do it while they’re still around and people are more willing to attention.
Knut Wicksell @ 35
Didn’t she already miss the deadline? Why aren’t they threatening to arrest her?
Whatever happened to John F. Kennedy’s inspiring line from his inaugural:
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
Great article!
I have one quibble with “they probably know that right wing talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck are prepping the next enlistees by indiscriminately disparaging Islamic people”.
Frankly I don’t think they probably know this. War is a time when things get both greyer, as in the fog of war and more black and white.
I suspect that for many Iraqis the only good American is a dead American. I doubt they distinguish between those who want them dead and those who don’t stop the others from killing them. That’s another sad legacy from Bushco.
And also for the average Arab speaker “al Qaeda” means something more than just the boogyman to frighten children. “The Base” is an identity that many people of
bothany sidesof the argument find themselves very comfortable claiming.dakine01 @ 37
That’s pretty much the modern GOP in a nutshell. They used to honestly talk about all the government programs they wanted to eliminate, and most people didn’t agree, so they didn’t get put in charge. Then in the Reagan era, they hit on the idea of just putting people in charge of them who would like through their teeth in their oath of office, proceed to undermine them from the inside instead. But it wasn’t until the W administration that they brought this to the high art of not just interfering, but looting them for their own benefit.
Feh. If they actually cared about the Ten Commandments, instead of just using it to play the rubes, the might notice that it says “Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness” and “Thou Shalt Not Steal.”
As well as asking Iraqis to continue to die so Shrub can pretend we are safer at home..Shrub insults every major American city that has unaceeptable levels of violence as well…something he has also done nothing about.
Liberty — it got contorted into saying something JFK would never have accepted — a preemptive right to invade any country and overthrow any regime in order to impose “liberty” on someone else.
To paraphrase something I read ages ago and think about a great deal these days, most of us are not programmed to kill; yet, during war, every military member is expected to kill on command.
Redshift @ 42 says
Oh, but haven’t you heard? In the Christianist world these days, actions no longer matter. All you have to do is say “I believe in Jeebus,” and everything is automagically forgiven. No harm no foul in their parlance. And who carees if a bunch of unbeliever scum are hurt?
Redshift @ 42
Like the myth of “trickle down” economics which has never been proven, but is slogged by Right Wingers in that patronizing tone that they love to use when they’re lying. Like most things put out there by the Repug party, the label is the opposite of what’s in the can. “Trickle down” means “trickle up”.
Gunga Djinn @ 22
Hmmm, I doubt it, actually. Bush has had plenty of chances to “declare victory and go home”; his messianic complex won’t allow him to declare victory until the “enemy” is “defeated.” I think it’ll be a period when he fabricates a new “strategy for success,” so that Republicans and Broder can declare that we need to give that “a chance to work” before calling for a pullout.
dakine01 @ 32
Plan C = Clusterf*ck.
Plan D = Destroy a nation. Or two, if you count ours as well.
Plan E: egregious excuses for the continued occupation, deaths, and destruction.
dakine01 @ 46
Oh, right. I forgot.
Someone should ask Wm Kristol if he benefits financially. He’s postitively giddy over war w/ Iran.
Also, maybe there’s a silver lining to Bush’s speech. Maybe he’s lowering the bar so that he can declare victory and get out. After the oil bill is resolved, of course.
OfT – GWB hosting a white-tie dinner for the Queen of England tonight.
I’m thinking – Hog Roast!!
Hope GWB remember his manners – it’s considered bad form to use your white tie to wipe off spilled barbeque sauce.
Oooh I know a good plan!
Plan I Impeach!
Scarecrow @ 44
Kennedy was prepared to overthrow Castro and Diem. He was a Wilsonian interventionist who would have understand President Bush’s motivation.
perris, I am with you.
Wonder how long it will be before the FEMA trailers are in KS? Unlike NoLa, KS gotta lotta pale skins living on the prairie.
The war must end. Keep the calls going to DC.
Scarecrow @ 30
Oh? I included a page of article reprints on the nonviolent march in Iraq that didn’t mention anything about General Petraeus’ letter. Maybe he published something, but neither the BBC, Al Jazeera, or the UK Guardian considered it worth covering.
Plan A, Plan B, cognitive dissonance, egregious failure. Get Hellouta Iraq. Junya.
The premise that at some point the USA will be “leaving Iraq” has become an increasingly hollow and false talking point. It is very plain to see the BushWH,WashDC warhawks and the neocons intent from very early on was to stay in Iraq for a long time. The CPA debacle,the continued string-a-long of the “next” turning point,the next and improved “new” goal line and the parade of “moving target” objectives all pointing to that intent. Allowing Iraq to fall into a state of deep dysfunctionalism only set the stage for “need to stay on” indefinitely. The violence sprawl in Iraq has become the perfect “reason” for the USA to stay. It would be useful to think of Iraq as being the American’s own “WestBank/Gaza” that must be boxed in and subjugated to “protect” American ME interests. Letting go likely is not now nor ever was in the long plan. The GWOT provides the overarching premise of “we must stay to fight OBL’s minions” and daily Iraqi carnage and mayhem provide ongoing excuses to stay for a long time. The oil is the prize,Iraqi air space control by USAF is a prize and being able to menace Iran directly to suit American ME desires is a prize. A broken down,politically crippled Iraq and the growing Iraqi refugee crisis (thetalented,skilled and educated leaving) lay open Iraq for long term American “occupation need”. Those superbases and the big American embassy in Baghdad all pointing to this. Leaving is not the goal–staying is. Hence the current “surge into Iraq” policy of the BushWH. A weak,split Iraq makes this easier to justify. Herein lies the truth.
Solai @ 52
I guess power is part of it, too. But aside from any direct money he might get as a result of war with Iran, I imagine that he gets taken to a fancy restaurant by some crazy thinktanker and provided some juicy insider info to go along with his filet mignon, and some political angle along with his Chateau Rothchild, and when he comes out he feels good and ready to attack Iran.
LibertyLee @ 55
Perhaps at first, but unlike Bush, he actually learned from the mistakes of his delusions. He didn’t pay any price, bear any burden in Cuba; he left the invaders on the beach and later agreed with Nikita not to intervene again if they removed the missiles. I probably understand Bush too, but that doesn’t mean I agree with him.
Georgesimian @ 7
I don’t disagree with you, but must point out a small error.
Firebombing is what we did in Dresden and other places, while carpetbombing is what Nixon did in Vietnam.
Petraeus’ comments on Najaf protest
ahh, thank you Great White Father
Didn’t anyone in the Administration ever watch Lawrence of Arabia? It’s the same situation, in the same places. Oil wasn’t such a big deal then, but it’s amazing how little seems to have changed.
LibertyLee at 40 — You mean like the Bush Administration has done in Afghanistan and with the search for Bin Laden? Don’t you dare bring up some falsely supported sanctimony using words from JFK, when the Administration you seek to defend cannot even stay in the fight fully and completely until the job is done where we were justified. It was the Bush Administration’s choice to enter Iraq under false pretense, their choice to plan the occupation of Iraq on the cheap on a best case scenario expectation built on a foundation of sand, and their choice not to have enough troops to do the job because they cut out the usual developmental personnel in favor of only those people they deemed DoD/Bushie loyalist trustworthy.
And look at what a success they have made of things. To allow them to continue to fail, over and over again, without speaking up is cowardly and wrong — and it does a disservice to our troops and the commanders in country in both Afghanistan and Iraq to allow this to continue without substantial changes being made. These brave men and women are putting their lives on the line every single day for a plan that was half-formed, and they are asked to run around both nations playing whack-a-mole with insurgents and terrorists because of the continued piss-poor planning and because they are led by a President who refuses to admit he has made grevious mistakes, and so they pay the penalty for them. And no amount of pretending and magical thinking is going to make this turn out okay.
We lost the war in Iraq from the moment George Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld entered that nation on a trumped up rationale — a foundation of lies just to get our foot in that doorway — and then proceeded to fail to plan for any contingency that wasn’t rose-colored from the get go. No one, and I mean NO ONE, gets to treat our troops with that level of contempt and disregard for their safety and not be called on it. I don’t give a crap what party the man is in, the President of the United States owes a debt of honor and care to our troops, and George Bush has failed that test in spades. No President gets to continue in some sort of weird holding pattern because his ego will not allow him to correct his course and admit error — the lives of our men and women in uniform are worth far more than George Bush’s ego, and they are paying for his idiocy with their own sweat and blood every damn day.
And if you cannot see that — or will not see that because you put party over country — that is your problem. We have failed to win the battle in Afghanistan outright, and we are losing ground there daily because of our piss poor choices and neglect. Al Qaeda and the Taliban grow stronger there and in Pakistan by the day, and if you don’t think they will nurse their substantial grudge back into another terrorist action, you were not paying attention on 9/11. In Iraq, we have now provided them with the perfect urban terror training ground — which did not exist for them prior to our invasion of that country. And we’ve opened up a whole new wound in terms of disgust and anger with the US that need never have been opened across the Middle East and further across the entire Muslim world. We have failed to stand up and provide real, honest broker status for foreign policy problems, for real democratic reforms in a lot of the oppressive regimes in the region including Saudi Arabia and many of our other “allies” who are really funding a lot of these madrassas that preach hatred of all things Western, we have failed to understand that despair and desperation breed contempt and violence, and we have utterly failed to grasp that a United States that walks not with a large stick but with respect for other nations is one that wields much more effective power.
So you just keep merrily following along in the wake of a failed Presidency and delude yourself that things will magically get better so long as George Bush doesn’t change a thing. You’ll have to pardon me if I think that George Bush is a failure, and that any Republican who continues to prop him up without question is just as culpable as he is for decimating our nation’s military and failing to care enough for our soldiers to be certain that the decisions made with their lives were not done in haste, were done for the right reasons, and that this debt must be repaid with better, more careful, and more intelligent choices from this day forward.
On that note, this piece from Newsweek/MSNBC talks about how the kids and grandkids of some of the heaviest GOP icons are starting to jump ship.
There is, I must say, a WTF moment in the piece when the author quotes someone wondering if this will be like 1932, when Hoover grabbed the Republican party by the ankles and pulled them under, or like 1968, when “Democratic self-destruction after Vietnam led to Richard Nixon’s election…” 1968 was after Vietnam?
But still worth a read.
Beware of Repugs quoting JFK.
Well, not all the media is refusing to bring on experts to talk about Iraq in an informed and reasonable way.
I invite you to listen to Baltimore’s Marc Steiner who, among other things, was a civil rights activist in the 1960s. When Johns Hopkins University wanted to sell the radio station (WJHU)he worked for 5 years ago he brought together concerned members of the community and bought it. Now it is WYPR.
“Wednesday, May 2nd
Noon – 2:00
Hour1
Hour2
The Marc Steiner Show presents a two hour special on Iraq and issues of the Iraq War. First; The United States has fought two wars in Iraq but most Americans know little about the country’s history. We speak with historian Thabit Abdullah, author of A Short History of Iraq: From 636 to the Present and William Polk, the author of Understanding Iraq. Then, writer for The Nation Joshua Kors joins Marc to provide an update on what has happened since the release of his article about Specialist Jon Town, an Iraq War Veteran who was denied benefits. Then, Joshua Kors and Shelton Rampton, research director for the Center for Media & Democracy and author of several books including The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq, will then discuss last week’s congressional testimony by Jessica Lynch and Kevin Tillman. What does it say about the Bush Administration and the media?”
This is well worth listening to and you can find it here:
http://www.wypr.org/M_Steiner.html
Mornin’, Christy! Wow – beautifully said. Coffee must have been extra good today!
This Administration will not stop lying because to do so would surrender a core Republic value: lying.
xoites — thanks for the link.
Scarecrow @ 71
You are certainly welcome. Marc Steiner has been interviewing people in Iraq, Israel, Palestine and Syria since the war started. Unfortunately WYPR has only recently started archiving shows. Never the less they are well worth perusing.
…and, for those of you who aren’t burning the candle at both ends, this joke from May in late late comments last night:
Five dollars, he says, adding, they’re Republican puppies.
They’re so cute! says Laura, if you have any left next week I’ll take one.
Next week she comes back, and the boy has two puppies left. She hands the boy five dollars and goes to select the puppy of her choice.
The boy stops her and says, sorry, Ma’am, they’re now Democratic puppies and $50 each.
Laura is flummoxed. How come? she asks.
Simple, the boy says. Their eyes have opened.
Christy has a new thread up on Wolfowitz
Mutant Poodle @ 69
Second that!
New thread upstairs
Fresh thread, gang.
You know, the Administration keeps pointing to things like the markets & jobs being open as evidence that the violence isn’t as bad as people say it is.
But that’s ridiculous. It’s a feature of wars that most of the time, civilians go about their daily lives, just in an environment of increased violence & unpredictbility. Life goes on.
In WWII there was a 900-day siege of Leningrad. It was brutal beyond comprehension, but people still went to market, they still went to work, they still had parties and other events. There’s a famous story of a trucker going through heavy fire on the only road into Leningrad because he had a truckload of oranges for the children of Leningrad for Christmas. The famous composer Shostakovich wrote & played one of his greatest symphonies in the second year of the siege. He had a friend who was a mathematician, and that guy was teaching university classes.
The fact that life is going on is not a sign that things are the least bit normal or acceptable. If life went on during the siege of Leningrad, life ALWAYS goes on. It doesn’t mean you’re not in a war.
GeorgeSimian @ 47
Like the myth of “trickle down” economics which has never been proven, but is slogged by Right Wingers in that patronizing tone that they love to use when they’re lying. Like most things put out there by the Repug party, the label is the opposite of what’s in the can. “Trickle down” means “trickle up”.
For most Americans, “tricle down” means “pissed upon.”
JF @ 79
For most Americans, “tricle down” means “pissed upon.”
And it’s far better to be p*ss’d off than p*ss’d on.
I was at an event with a army colonel recently back from Iraq. An issue that he brought up, and one that needs to be explored: he stated that because no one ever planned to withdraw American forces after the invasion,(something he thinks should be done) they (because of how effective and powerful the enemy has become)CANNOT BE WITHDRAWN IN SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT PROVIDE THE SECURITY REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE WITHDRAWAL POSSIBLE. Basically stated that “WE ARE CUT OFF!” and would most likely have to mount another invasion to safely get our troops out. Is anyone else hearing this? Bush really fubar’ed this one.
boxer @ 80
No, i have not heard this, but why am i not surprised?
Wow Christy! You continue to be awesome!
here’s just a few items from the schedules of house and senate committees that i think might be of special interest to firepups, see the links for lots more…
some house committee hearings and schedule from the list:
from the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, hearing schedule:
from the House Committee on the Judiciary schedule:
some senate committee hearings from the schedule:
Redshift @ 48
Nah, up until now he was (a) enjoying the game (b) enjoying the profits, and (c) enjoying the stature of being CIC/Decider. The 2006 mid-terms, ensueing congressional oversight/investigations, poll numbers & lame duck status have b#tch slapped him back to reality (at least a little bit). Top priority now is to save his legacy, and if possible secure some sort of oil constitution in Iraq favorable to the U.S. & Big Oil. That will be done with another propaganda campaign. Iraq cannot & will never be a victory in any conventional sense, so they’ll create one in the mind of the public. (or attempt to, at least).
He’s still delusional, for sure. But not so delusional that he won’t alter the message to save his own ass.
Solai @ 52
Is this why the government is taking a long recess? So they CAN’T pass the oil bill?
boxer at 81 — Steve Gilliard did several posts on that quite a while ago. (Sorry, I don’t have a handy link at the moment — perhaps someone else can dig it up?) And, yes, I’m hearing that as well.
Boxer @ 81
No, I didn’t hear that. (Well, not since the rooftop helo evac at the fall of Saigon, at least)
and re: Kristol
Israel first and last. Nothing else matters, ever. Understand that, and you’ll understand every word he ever utters.
Scarecrow @ 61:
I get weak in the knees every time I think about what might have happened if we had had leaders of the likes of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al in the White House in October, 1962. That was the scariest week of my life. A college classmate who was a newly minted Naval officer aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima, with its battalion of Marines, told me a few months later that he realized it was the real thing when, as they transited the Panama Canal following an orders change that recdirected them from Hawaii to the Caribbean, they took on dozens of pallets of whole blood.
Commader Guy v. al-Qaeda’s Fly Trap Ju-Jitsu
Speaking to the issue of whether to include time lines in the Iraq Accountability Act, al-Qaeda Number Two Ayman al-Zawiri’s says:
This bill reflects American failure and frustration,” Zawahiri said. “But this bill will deprive us of the opportunity to destroy the American forces which we have caught in a historic trap.
We ask Allah that they only get out after losing 200,000 to 300,000 killed, so that we give the blood spillers in Washington and Europe an unforgettable lesson to motivate them to review their entire doctrinal and moral system,” Zawahiri said on the video, posted on websites used by Islamists.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/wor…..18708.html
Shorter version: Zawihiri would rather fight Americans in Iraq so he doesn’t have to fight ‘em in Waziristan.
As Jon Stewart observed the other day, there is nothing that the Bush Administration does that isn’t steeped in irony.
Minnesotachuck @ 89
if BushCo had been in charge, we prolly wouldn’t be around to reminisce about the good old days of the Cuban Missle Crisis
Minnesotachuck @ 89
that is a sobering image, makes it real.
If Kennedy acted like Bush in 1962, none of us would be here because the earth would still be a smoldering pile of rubble.
Mr. Bush doesn’t read, so how is he expected to know what any reports say? He listens to Karl and reads body language. Even that tires him, so he works out a little and raises funds. That’s what he’s there for, right? Like throwing out baseballs. The hired help are supposed to know how to pitch and catch; he runs the team, whatever that means.
To hide that mentality, Mr. Bush keeps shifting goals. Not goals, really, slogans; he has lots: sectarian violence, victory, fighting terrorism, fighting ‘em there so they won’t come over here.
Richard Clarke lit into that last one. Violent criminals are not puppy dogs who might follow us home when we leave Iraq. They can come over here any time they want. Mr. Bush spends so much fighting in Iraq and paying Blackwater Group’s mercenaries to guard our ambassador, he hasn’t any left to really improve security here.
As for not setting timetables for Mr. Bush’s failure, I mean for leaving Iraq, I think it was Bill Maher who reminded us that trucking out 150,000 personnel – ignoring another 100,000 mercenaries and contractors – is kinda noisy, so nobody will be surprised when we go.
I think the Daily Kos posting refers to Tim Shorrock’s brilliant essay in Salon.com.
Tenet made >$200,000/year as Director of Central Intelligence. Thanks to Bush and Tenet’s wholesale privatization of most government functions, including intelligence, Mr. Tenet made several million last year alone, working for govt contractors. To be reimbursed by the US govt, of course, plus profits.
It seems the only profitable business George Bush has contributed to are those who suckle on the teat of his govt outsourcing.
…from the House Committee on the Judiciary schedule:
I thought it was Abu Gonzales up for round two.
Sorry, link problems:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/ar….._gonzales/
Christy, your post at 65 should be on the front page.
Thank you,
-S
Doodle Bean @ 96
thank you! that’s what i was hoping!
From Dan Froomkin’s column today, on the apparent retreat by the Dems on the funding bill for Iraq:
‘And, as Julian E. Barnes writes in this morning’s Los Angeles Times: “A key Republican House leader said Sunday that if President Bush’s current strategy in Iraq is not working by fall, members of Congress will demand to know what the White House’s next plan is.
‘”Rep. John A. Boehner of Ohio, the House minority leader, said the troop buildup had shown some success and noted that it was not yet complete. But he embraced the idea of setting benchmarks for the Iraqi government and requiring Bush to assess the Iraqis’ progress on a monthly basis.
“‘Over the course of the next three months or four months, we’ll have some idea how well the plan is working,’ Boehner told Chris Wallace on ‘Fox News Sunday.’ ‘Early signs are indicating there is clearly some success on a number of fronts. But . . . by the time we get to September, October, members are going to want to know how well this is working, and if it isn’t, what’s Plan B?’”
This was discussed yesterday after the talk shows, but this doubletalk is somehow getting accepted by some as a real position. Oh boy, if nothing is happening by September, we Republicans are going to what to know, ‘What is the next plan?’
Man, oh man.
Minnesotachuck @ 89
I know I’m way too late for this conversation, but I personally know an officer who was on the U.S. ship that had to decide whether to shoot the Soviets or not as they crossed the line. Pretty much everybody thought WWIII would be the result.
World wars do start for some reason. Hope it’s not our stupidity in Iran.